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PSXE Poll Update: Sorry, S-E, Nobody Wants Lightning Returns

Well, that wasn't close.

This week's big release is Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII. Historically, it'd be a hugely anticipated launch for role-playing fans everywhere, but...unfortunately, something bad has happened to this once storied franchise.

And that's reflected in our latest poll results. We wanted to know if you planned to pick up the latest FF iteration this week, and the overwhelming majority answered, "Not a chance." Even the second-largest group of voters say they "haven't decided yet," so it's not looking good for Lightning's final adventure. It probably doesn't help that the playable demo definitely didn't go over well with most players. At this rate, the game might sell less than the upcoming Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster; if it does, I'm gonna laugh.

This week's poll focuses on the ongoing frames per second debate. The PlayStation 4 appears capable of handling 60FPS in some games, while those same titles only seem to hover around 30FPS on the Xbox One. Is this a big deal to you?

Related Game(s): Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII

Tags: lightning returns final fantasy xiii, lightning returns ffxiii,

2/9/2014 9:40:02 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (51 posts)

WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 09, 2014 @ 10:19:17 PM
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Well you can't say the handful of new FF fans aren't out in full force trying to combat the truth. They are rabid man. As an original FF gangster I put more stock in what veterans have to say on the matter though. SE even emailed me to beg me to put in a last chance pre-order for Lightning Returns.

All will be revealed on Tuesday.

I think FPS is "Somewhat important". PS4 should really be doing most games at 60 because it's so much better and the system has power. However, this early on it's understandable that new, more complex game worlds like in The Order might not hit that mark.

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ethird1
Sunday, February 09, 2014 @ 10:25:30 PM
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Heard lots of bad things about the entire FF 13 franchise. Screw all these games. If I win the lottery, and 700 million buckaroos, I'm gonna hire a company that makes nothing but old fashioned rpgs. And go to the bunny ranch.

End of line.

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LimitedVertigo
Sunday, February 09, 2014 @ 10:40:19 PM

Wow...didn't think you would ever post a comment I agree with. I'd love an endless supply of traditional RPGs and access to a whore house.

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Draguss
Sunday, February 09, 2014 @ 10:39:07 PM
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Gee, I wonder if anyone saw those results coming. "if it does, I'm gonna laugh." as will every FF fan on the planet. Maybe, just maybe, it'll be a hard enough kick in the nuts for SE to realize something's wrong. Probably still won't get what that something is, but it'd be a start.

As for the fps thing, it depends on the kind of game. It's also much more important that it's steady. I rather play a game at 30fps than one that can technically hit 60, but jumps around like a hyperactive rabbit.

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LimitedVertigo
Sunday, February 09, 2014 @ 10:41:25 PM
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Unfortunately as I've gotten older I've realized my view of things doesnt reflect the masses. This game will still sell well (just like RE6 still sold well and made plenty of $$$ for Capcom) and get decent reviews.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 09, 2014 @ 10:59:54 PM

I don't think it'll sell that well given the current trend.

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, February 09, 2014 @ 11:24:17 PM

Didn't FF XIII-2 sold a lot worse than XIII did? I don't see any reason how this could sell more than the previous games in the series.

Call me evil but I'd really want this game to tank so bad critically and commercially just so S-E will be given a rude awakening they deserved. But then again, I don't think they'd see it that way. Instead they're just gonna say "Another proof that console sales are dying, so we will focus instead on mobile." This company is beyond help.

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Bonampak
Sunday, February 09, 2014 @ 11:37:35 PM

Actually, RE6 didn't meet Capcom sales expectations (they've been very open about it too). The game required over 600 staff members to make and that alone made it very hard for them to break even. And RE6 got mixed reviews at best.

However, I do understand the point you're trying to make.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 12:18:33 AM

I'm well aware that XIII-2 and RE6 did not meet expectations but they still sold quite well and shipped massive amounts of units. I also want both series to tank so that both companies go back to what made both series so critically acclaimed and loved by us gamers.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 10:53:51 AM

"Unfortunately as I've gotten older I've realized my view of things doesnt reflect the masses."

The word you want at the start of that sentence is "Fortunately."

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 12:59:54 PM

touche!

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Lunar_Miyuki
Sunday, February 09, 2014 @ 11:04:28 PM
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Limited RE6 even though it sold great Capcom actually lost money on
if you don't believe me look at the reason Monster hunter 4 was delayed

now on topic Lightning returns we all know its going to sell But its going to get the worst FF sales ever it already has terrible sales in japan the worst ever FF sales
would i normally call the sales terrible no But when you start comparing stuff
like how FF13 sold almost double of 13-2 sales and in JP Lightning returns doesn't even have Half of 13-2 sales you know its selling terrible

when you drop down to like 25% of the 1st games sales your game sucks

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 12:25:42 AM

RE6 has sold nearly 5.5 million units and is one of the best selling games EVER in Capcom's history so if they truly did lose money on the game it's not because of a lack of sales but rather a tremendous amount of incompetence on the part of management.

Of course XIII-3 is going to be one of the if not the worst selling game in the franchise. It's the third game in a series that's been hated since the first game. No one asked for the game. It will still sell enough to justify it's existence though I believe it will hurt the brand as a whole.

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Lunar_Miyuki
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 1:46:19 AM
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all right fair enough but the japanese were more open to FF13 than the rest of the world and 13-3 set the all time low sales in japan the Main audience of JRPGS

hated on isn't a very valid argument for its low sales because just as you said RE6 said 5.5 million copies and was being Bashed because it is basically an action game id give you a Link to the article on Monster hunter 4 delayed due to RE6 not selling well enough but it takes forever for Ben to approve Links no offense Ben
i know your busy and all

as for my opinion on FF13 well first you should know i own every FF game from FF1 on the NES to FF13 on the PS3
heres my list FF1 NES FF4 FF6 FFMQ Snes yes i own mystic quest
FF1 2 origins PS1 FF anthology 5 6 PS1 FF chronicles FF4 chrono trigger PS1 FF7 8 9 tactics PS1 FF3 DS FF10 10-2 12 PS2 FF dirge of cerberus PS2 FF11 PC FF13 PS3
FF crystal chronicles gamecube
i also own FF8 and FF7 Digitally on PS3
i think i have the right to decide what i like and don't like about FF
and FF13 i utterly hated i didn't like auto battle
i didn't like the transformer summons i didn't like the cast
i didn't care for the story i didn't like the Linear maps
i didn't like the sci fi areas
i didn't like that Orphen the last boss uses death which i used 60% death resistance armor against to stop and yes it actually nullified death
i didn't like there was no real towns
i didn't like the fact that you were level caped until you beat Orphen
i didn't like you could only use 1 character in battle

FF1 gave you freedom you could kill Tiamat before killing Lich Marlith or kraken
FF2 gave you the ability to build your chars anyway you wanted
FF3 gave you Jobs and choices
FF4 gave you side quests
FF5 brought jobs back with alot side quests
FF6 gave you many chars
FF7 gave you many options with Materia + lots of mini games to play
FF8 added a card game and a lousy junction system where magic was your stats
FF9 added chocobo digging and a decent ability system synthesing
FFX the spheregrid Blitzball and controllable summons
FFX-2 brought back the class system with adding the ability to change in battle
FF12 the gigantic world map and world map combat
now we get to 13 lets see whats new auto battle?
level capped the entire game?
oh weapon upgrading?
oh hallway maps New
Sci fi environments New
only controlling 1 char new Party leader dying = game over New
the class changing system in battle modified version of X-2
boring bad guys New

does 13 really sound like an improvement?

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 2:05:28 AM

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I've already pointed out that XIII-3 will most likely be the worst selling FF in the franchise so I fail to see why you're reiterating that point.

I also don't get why you're referring to my use of the phrase "hated on" as an argument. It was a general observation based on my own personal feelings, my friends, the general public, and most of the critics I've grown to respect. It's a general consensus that the FFXIII series has been viewed as a drastically inferior product compared to other games in the FF franchise.

You don't have to post a link in regards to RE6 not meeting sales expectations. I've already agreed that it's entirely possible that it's true. I've also pointed out that if that's the case then it's a result of mismanagement on the part of Capcom. Any game that ends up selling more than a vast majority of games EVER released by a company should result in not only a profit but a damn large one.

I also own every FF game. I have the entire collection perfectly displayed in a custom case. It's my favorite gaming franchise. I hate the XIII series. I'm not sure if you're attempting to argue with me or simply feel the need to inform me. Either way I'm pretty sure we agree on things and I don't need informed :)

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___________
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 1:56:12 AM
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makes me wonder if the sales will finally start reflecting this, because the past few have sold really well!
hope it does and maybe, just maybe, $E will finally wake up and smell the roses!
or at least stop them from completely ruining what we have waited over SEVEN freaking years for!
please, $E, one DNF is more than enough!

as for frame rate, not at all.
you take a bunch of people and sit them through a game once running at 30, then again at 60, and not even 1% of them will be able to tell the difference!
hell most people cant even tell the difference between 720, and 1080P!
id much rather see developers using the extra power for better textures, higher quality animation, sub surface scattering, raytracing or a improved lighting source in general, higher AA, and of course stabilizing the frame rate.
most wont tell the difference between 60 and 30, but a constantly dipping frame rate, constantly tearing frames is another story.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 3:17:57 AM
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That's sad, though completely expected. Especially around these parts.

As for the framerate, it definitely depends on the game. Any genre where you really need to have split-second reflexes is where higher frame rates are most important. So, competitive FPS titles, fighters, racers. It really isn't necessary in my preferred genres, in general, but the smoothness that it provides is definitely enjoyed.

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infamousgodV2_0
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 7:39:20 AM
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Cant wait to pick up my copy day one. I dont care what the reviews say or people on this site say. If you call your self a Final Fantasy fan & a gamer u should play it other wise you not both. As for this weeks poll its Eh, not a big deal to me.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 10:55:20 AM

What's the first Final Fantasy game you even played? XIII?

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 1:00:16 PM

LOL...what a stupid view to take.

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coverton341
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 2:10:58 PM

I'm half German and a big supporter of German culture, but I don't think the Nazi party had the right idea. I'm also half Irish and a big supporter of my Irish heritage but I don't like getting drunk nor do I agree with bombing the English. Guess I can't really call myself either according to your standards right?

See how ridiculous that is?

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infamousgodV2_0
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 2:26:11 PM

@ Ben for your & everyones information i've been playing Final Fantasy on again off again since Final Fantasy VI on the Super Nintendo. Oh FYI im not the only one looking forward to Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII. at least 3 other people on my friends list are getting it too so all i have to say is hater gonna hate

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 2:50:58 PM

So basically your "on again off again" consisted of you playing FFVI and then playing XIII?

OMG you mean to tell me besides you getting the game, three of your friends are too?!?!?! Well then screw the critics, the general public, and anyone I might know. I'm getting the game for sure!

No one's hating. You're just a delusional person that labels anyone that points it out to you as a hater.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 4:08:09 PM

Hey, gaming is about fun. If you have fun with Lightning Returns, I have no problem with that, and I do hope you enjoy yourself.

I do, however, have a problem with saying "if you call yourself a Final Fantasy fan" you should play it. That doesn't make any sense at all to long-time fans of the series.

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berserk
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 7:59:57 AM
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Would truly be awesome if ff x hd remake sold more then lightning returns .That way they MIGHT finally see people don t want that kind of FF .

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JackC8
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 8:04:59 AM
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It wouldn't surprise me a bit if FF X / X-2 outsold Lightning Returns. I'll definitely pick it up some day but not right away.

As far as frame rate, like I've said before I didn't spend a grand building a gaming PC because I don't care about that stuff. Movies are at 24 fps and you'll almost never see a cameraman doing a fast pan because the motion judder would look horrible. Yet in video games you're constantly panning the camera around. 60 fps makes a big difference to me. There's almost no motion judder and the picture remains sharp and clear at all times.

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Underdog15
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 9:11:53 AM

It already has outsold it in Japan by a fair margin. I'm with you, though. Should be interesting to see the rest of the world's reception.

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SayWord
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 10:36:32 AM
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Im definitely in the minority but I liked the Final Fantasy XIII series and I enjoyed the demo of Lightning Returns. Now this probably says a lot about my gaming tastes, but im not picky, I dont have high standards and I usually try to like everything I play. There isnt even really anything wrong with the games themselves either. Sure the characters and the story arent the greatest but I found the gameplay to be fun even as untraditional as it was, the game was extremely polished, had no bugs and looked great.

All the hate just seems to be coming from Final Fantasy fans who want a game that they are more familiar with. XIII might have not been a Final Fantasy I originally wanted but I ended up liking it nonetheless. Here is to hoping 15 wins some of you back.

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Underdog15
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 10:51:30 AM

My judgment towards a game rests solely in that game and that game alone. Not the company. I am currently playing and enjoying FFXIV.

For me, I have more games I am interested in than I have time to play. I liked FFXIII's story and most of the characters. FF has never had the best dialogue, so that didn't bother me. I hated the many problems it had, and I found it got boring and watered down. I still platinum'd it and XIII-2, though.

XIII-2 had much better combat, but the story was so freakin' all over the map. Again, played and completed it, but when I finished it, I felt -very- dissatisfied. I played the LR demo, and it was extremely underwhelming. It has the illusion of customization, but there's very little to what you need to do, and whatever you decide to build into Lightning, you will be limited by a handful of abilities at any time.

I -really- don't think it has anything to do with a longing for the days of yore except for the fact that back in the day, they were known for top notch quality. At least XIII had top notch visuals. LR doesn't even have that.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 10:55:54 AM

No, the hate is coming from people who know Lightning Returns is a mediocre game, and "mediocre" doesn't belong in Final Fantasy.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 11:11:01 AM

I don't have crazy standards either (Hey I bought Time and Eternity lol) but I agree with Ben that mediocre and good don't belong in the FF Universe. Things can fall short but in these cases they seem to be making them worse on purpose when the ready formula for greatness is just sitting on a shelf.

That said I will still play the game too, but it's not worth supporting on Day 1 after I got fleeced with the last 2.

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SayWord
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 11:12:29 AM

@Underdog

Thank you for the well thought out response compared to the quick jab of subjectivity from Ben.

All I can say is the demo was from a very early stage in the game, there is a lot more to the battle system. If you want you can check out some reviews for Lightning Returns and one thing everyone praises is the combat. The cheesy non-serious storyline is something I am looking forward to as well.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 1:03:29 PM

SayWord,

It's okay if you like the game/series. But at least admit it's crap. We all like things that are crap. From time to time I enjoy a big mac but I know it's sh1t. Hell I love watching certain movies that have won razzies. But I'm not delusional in thinking my joy for the product voids all logical criticism against it.

The FFXIII series has earned the backlash its received. I will most likely play this 3rd game but it sure as hell wont be getting anymore than $20 from me.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 4:10:12 PM

SayWord: NOBODY is praising the combat. Nobody. I have no idea what reviews you're reading, but the ones I've read (where the game gets 4s and 5s), the combat is definitely not a highlight.

And that's because it's a pathetically watered-down version of an action/RPG combat mechanic. In fact, it's so watered down that I find I had more available skills on the battlefield in freakin' God of War.

Like I said above, I don't mind if someone likes Lighting Returns. But don't try to pretend the game is any good, because it ain't.

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 12:03:04 PM
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Well... I have it pre-ordered.... I am hesitant for the day but it has to be done. I'm currently replaying Final Fantasy XIII and I just reached Gran Pulse - I still love this game, not matter how convoluted the series has become Final Fantasy XIII-1 will always be one of the best current gen gaming experiences for me.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 1:05:35 PM

I enjoyed the story and characters in XIII but unfortunately the gameplay makes it impossible for me to replay it. XIII wasn't so much a game as a series of scenes split up by weak as hell, hand-holding events.

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 1:55:10 PM

I love the XIII's battle system, the focus on Paradigms made it really engaging for me, more so than a lot of previous FF's as you had to really observe the battle and think quickly ahead what paradigm set is needed.

As for the linear environments, I honestly never noticed until everyone else started complaining about it. Even when I replay XIII now, it still doesn't bother me as the story is frequently progressed, unlike XII where I ended up just rushing through detail environments because there was no sense of story and I just wanted to get some progress.

I'm not saying it's flawless or even in my top group of FF games but it is a game I enjoy, I certainly don't think it is as bad as most people say it is.

XIII-2 on the other hand I did not get along with so well. It was decent... but that was it. It was not even close the quality of XIII-1. Also, I felt that the game demanded you to have specific paradigm sets, which I never felt was the case of XIII-1.

Now with Lightning Returns... it feels like a huge plummet in quality. The battle system felt just made me button mash through each class until it was over, I didn't feel the need to turn to a certain class for a certain situation like in XIII-1. That is my experience from the demo anyway... I'll be playing through it later this week, but my expectations are quite low I wont lie.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 2:16:20 PM

The battle system was by far the worst part of the game...I'm glad you like it but it had little to no depth and you could go through a majority of the game simply by pressing X. There was almost no strategy to any of the battles so I have to strongly disagree with you.

I have to ask, are you new to the FF franchise and RPGs in general? I ask this becuase I can't believe you didn't notice how linear the game was or the absence of towns/shops/world map.

If your issue with XII was how open it was then perhaps you're not really a fan of RPGs but rather story driven action games...

I've put around 20hrs into XIII-2 and have yet to finish the game. But I can say I found the game to be worse than XIII in just about every way.

I don't get why you try the demo for XIII-3 and don't like it yet you're preordering the game. I don't see you helping the situation at all by supporting another mediocre game from SE.

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 4:08:12 PM

Well I regard Final Fantasy as my favourite series in gaming, I have been playing them since Final Fantasy VII on the Playstation 1, which is very I think might have been the first to reach Europe, don't quote me on that though... Any who, I have certainly played and grown much affection for the series, the structure of each numeral taking the series forward and offering a completely new experience was something to get excited for. Which is why I am opposed to Final Fantasy having sequels - and that is without mentioning the drop in quality.

Just because I enjoyed Final Fantasy XIII does not mean I am new to the series... I see people throw accusations like that all the time. I would argue I am more dedicated than most about the series as I even went to the Distant Worlds orchestral event when it was hosted in London (Which was phenomenal I might add!)

I am playing Final Fantasy XIII right this moment and I guess we'll just have to disagree on the combat. My fingers are more steady on the trigger to change my paradigm set than the X button for commands - Because that is what Final Fantasy XIII's battle system is all about. Even in normal battles it is rare that you can get by without switching classes during battle. I'd say this is one of the harder FF's I have played too, certainly one that gives me the most game overs. Take the Barthanderlus boss fight on chapter 9, I get stuck there everytime. So I can't help but find it baffling when people complain that all you had to do is press X, if anything I wish 'auto-battle' was not in the command as I rarely use it anyway.

As for Final Fantasy XII, well I have stated my opinion on the game many times. But my problem wasn't just open areas, I am all for that Xenoblade: Chronicles was humungous in scale and I adored that game. No, what bothered me about XII was that the game lacked a progressive story, I would go through 5-7 hours without any development of the story. It got to the point where I would just rush through landscapes to see if the next ares offered anything, which in most cases it didn't. Then there is the cast, XII was so focused on setting up the world and the political conflict that it forgot to relate the characters to the story. Ashe and Balthier had their moments but I think we all know that Vaan and Penelo had no purpose what so ever. XIII for me had a decent cast, not FF's best but at least they all had motive and purpose within the story. I think my overall problem with XII though is that it had more creative peopel from the Tactics Orge series and it shows. It didn't feel like a Final Fantasy game to me, if anything Lost Odyssey for the Xbox360 filled its shoes as Final Fantasy XII for me.

Why am I getting Lightning Returns? To see how it pans out. I am hesitant, as much as I liked XIII-1 this game takes steps in a direction I cast my doubts on. But I still want to play it for myself rather than judge a game on other peoples opinions. I want to see what happens to the cast of characters I care about and where it is going with this story, for better or worse. I mean with XIII-2 there were many things I did enjoy, it was a decent game but not up to the FF standard, which is something I hold high as it is the reason I play games. But I'm not going to boycott it just because it is not up to the quality of past titles. I bet there will be many things I do like about the game overall, but of course I cannot tell until I have it in my hands and experience it.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 4:33:43 PM

I've been enjoying the series since FFIII. I was born in 81 so I wasn't old enough to fully experience the first one until years after its release. The reason I ask if you're new to the series is becuase XIII is so unlike any other FF game and I mean that in the most negative way possible. It lacks depth in every area except the story. Though I will say it's incredibly lazy writing to force the gamer to read an infinite amount of data logs to fill in the story.

I'm not going to argue about the gameplay as it's already been addressed by countless other critics and gamers. Just know you're in the minority on that. The fact it has an "auto battle" speaks volumes. Also just because you're struggling with one boss doesn't give evidence to any depth in the battle mechanics. You're supposed to be challenged in a game, especially an RPG and XIII seldom challenges the player.

FFXII had a far more adult story than a majority of games in the FF franchise. This is often brought up with praise in various reviews (ign/gamespot) especially the fact that it wasn't the typical save the world scenario that we've seen how many times?

And the characters were fleshed out with excellent voicework and scenes that offered well written dialogue. Again I don't agree at all with your opinion.

I totally understand wanting to try a game out for yourself instead of reading what someone else thinks. However this doesn't mean I'm going to shell out $60 for a game that I already believe will be crap. In fact I think you're the worst type of FF fan because you're blindly purchasing a product regardless of it's value simply based on the name. Which is one of the reasons the FF series has tanked in the past decade.

I will eventually own the game but it sure as hell wont be for $60 and it will be months from now. I refuse to reward SE for mediocrity, evidently you don't have a problem with that.

No hard feelings though and I'm glad you at least consider yourself a fan of the franchise. I hope XV returns the franchise to greatness but I have little faith in that.

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 4:59:19 PM

You have the nerve to call me the worst type of fan as I am giving money to S-E for their product and then claim you will be playing the game after all. Even if you buy it pre-owned you'll still be buying the product and spending your time with it. At least when I play the game I will get something out of it. But you seem to absolutely detest it, yet you still plan on playing it...I don't see why you bother personally.

As I said before, the 'Auto-Battle' function is there, but you do not have to use it. I actually have it set do my cursor selects abilities first, which I do most of the time. But as I said the focus of the combat system is on the paradigm shifts and not the individual attacks. I find myself often switching in desperation for majority of the battles in XIII. I honestly found the battle system to be really engaging and if you didn't that is fair enough, but I will not accept criticism for my enjoyment with the game.

It wasn't so much the content of XII's story which was the problem, it was the lack of presence it had within the game. You rarely had any events where a sense of plot progression happened. All I remember from XII is rushing past towns, landscapes and temples pleading the game to have something happen. Final Fantasy is not unknown to have politics featured in their games, most of them do, but in XII it was the main focus rather than the characters you played as. I would certainly be open to hear how a character like Vaan is fleshed out, because I just do not see it.

Also, trying to back yourself up with critical analysis is not always the best way to go. Just look at how critics pan films like The Shinning, Vertigo, Blade Runner and years later they're considered classics.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 5:59:08 PM

"You have the nerve to call me the worst type of fan as I am giving money to S-E for their product and then claim you will be playing the game after all."

Yes, without a doubt you're the worst kind of fan. You admit you're paying full price for a game you don't even expect to like. You bash the demo and you admit that the series has declined and yet you're going to give them full price for a mediocre product. I'd say anyone that supports a company blindly is the worst kind of fan. It's people like you that allow the COD assembly line approach to game deign to exist and flourish.

How exactly is me admitting I'll eventually get around to playing the game in any similar to what you're doing? Please explain because you're not making sense.

I'm not criticizing your enjoyment of FFXIII. I'm criticizing your refusal to admit the gameplay is watered down and has little to no depth. You're acting as if my statements are shocking and surprising. We both know they're backed by plenty of critics, fans, and the general public.

You call yourself a fan of the franchise but evidently your reason for being a fan has little to do with the gameplay otherwise I fail to see how you could possibly enjoy and defend the battle system in XIII. Perhaps enjoy it but to defend it as if it isn't a drastic change from what we're used to in regards to depth seen in past games is just plain foolish. I played through the entire game and maybe died twice. I put little to no thought into weapons or strategy. I simply ran from point A to B like a majority of the people that played the game. And you think that's indicative of a FF game?!

I'm not going to explain why XII had a great story and characters. Check out the numerous reviews of the game and you'll find plenty of examples.

Everyone of those movies were considered great movies during their initial release. You're crazy if you think years from now we will look back at XIII and think "You know what, we were wrong! The linear approach, watered down battle system, and library style story telling are fantastic!"

I don't even know why I'm continuing this discussion because you refuse to accept any criticism towards the series. The fact that you admit to paying full price for a game you already think will be bad explains how illogical your point of view is.

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 7:09:06 PM

I'm not supporting it blindly, yes there were negative things about the demo, but that is only part of the game and for an RPG it is pretty hard to understand the full depth of the mechanics in the space of 30 minutes in a demo due to grinding not being present. I refuse to accept your tone on the matter because I am going to get value from the product. As I said before, I loved XIII-1, enjoyed XIII-2 and am interested too see what LR brings.

While you're mentality is much worse, your stubborn in that you're not willing to give S-E the money for playing a game. Yet you claim you'll buy it anyway. All you seem adamant in doing is, making a point in buying it pre-owned and then intend to just complain... as I said before, I just don't see why you should bother giving it you're time at all.

As for the battle system, it has plenty of depth you just seem to focused on the 'Auto-Battle' icon to realise it. If you use AB, you're losing out anyway as the AI usually does not make use of the full ATB. I find myself often choosing manual instead, so I can select magic that attacks for a wider range like Fira, when the AI would just single on the selected opponent with a singular attack. I tend to use libra first and then look at the enemies weakness and home in on it. I often change to Paradigms like my most common one being 'bully' COM/SAB/SYN. SYN to buff up my parties defense, while using SAB offensively causes negative status affects to the enemy while keeping the stagger bar steady with my COM attack. There is plenty of depth in this battle system, I don't see how anyone can get by just tapping X yet it's all I hear and it's complete horse manure.

I can be tremendously critical of FF, If I don't like something I am not shy to voice my opinion. Even as I defend XIII there are certainly problems, Game over when the lead character dies in battle, that long paradigm animation the first time you do it every battle. I know it has problems but to claim it is watered down and shallow is simply untrue.

I'm not saying XIII will suddenly be claimed as a masterpiece in the near future, sadly I think it is going to be remembered for it's problems (Mostly from people like you who make false accusations against it...), but most of your counter arguments seem to claim critics opinions rather than your own... which is a pity really.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 7:49:30 PM

You definitely are supporting it blindly. You're willing to give them your money simply because it's a FF title. You've already admitted as much and now you're attempting to backtrack. Oh and btw I'd say the whole point of a demo is to showcase what to expect from the final product. After five minutes with XIII's battle system I was well aware of what I was in-store for. I didn't need to "grind" for hours with it. So don't suggest that your dislike for the demo is a-okay. Just admit it, you're blindly going to buy another product from SE.

When did I say I was going to buy it pre-owned? I fully intend on buying a new version of it. It will be $20 by my birthday (Nov).

How exactly am I stubborn? I already paid them in full for XIII and XIII-2. The only reason to "bother" with the third is to see the conclusion of the series.

I'm done explaining to you why the battle system in XIII sucks. You're never going to admit any of its faults and you're going to just spam the same BS that delusional defenders like you have been spewing for the past few years. I'd say any game that allows me to play for 50+ hours without ever having a challenge or dying more than twice while mashing the x button repeatedly deserves the label of watered down.

Name a single accusation I've made that's false. And of course I mention that my views are supported by critics. I'm pointing out that my opinion is valid. Congrats, you're opinion goes against a majority of the gaming community. You're so original and unique...I'd rather be right and in agreement with the masses than be completely wrong and boast about it. As if you deserve praise for being independently wrong.

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coverton341
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 2:12:01 PM
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I am already one of the sales that FFX/FFX-2 will get over FFXIII-LR. I hope there are many more like me.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 2:17:14 PM

I'm with you :)

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Underdog15
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 4:19:50 PM

Me as well.

I'm not completely decided on not getting LR, though. If I do, it won't be for a while. I'm still really bitter about how FFXIII-2 ended. I still feel ripped off.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 10, 2014 @ 4:34:11 PM

You finished it? I'm still only 20hrs into it and have no desire to complete the game.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, February 11, 2014 @ 12:05:48 AM

Don't bother. It doesn't really "end". You finish it, then it's like "don't worry, there are 8 separate endings!"

So I thought... good... cause the first one was crap.

But the other endings do NOTHING. In fact, they're worse.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, February 11, 2014 @ 12:06:15 AM
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IGN gave LR a 7/10

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Akuma07
Tuesday, February 11, 2014 @ 11:25:43 PM
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This whole frames per second thing is becoming a joke.

I don't remember anyone even caring about it last gen. Now everyone is an expert on game development.

The Order was announced at 30fps and so many people started crying about it.

The only time fps should be an issue is when it affects the gameplay.

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