Rockstar: Xbox 360 DVD Too Small, Fitting GTAIV a Problem

Overtime, more and more publishers and developers have come out to vindicate Sony's decision in using Blu-ray media as the primary medium for the PlayStation 3. Earlier on, skeptics told Sony that Blu-ray was pointless, that it only drove up the cost of the PS3, and that DVD storage was enough. As time has gone by, those skeptics have been proven wrong time and time again. Dan Houser has made perhaps the most important critique and justification of Sony's decision to use Blu-ray.

Who's Dan Houser? The Co-founder, along with brother Sam, of Rockstar...you know, those Grand Theft Auto guys. Speaking to 1up, Dan Houser states the standard dual-layer DVD simply isn't enough, and that it too became a problem during GTAIV's development. This raises some concern on whether or not the next Grand Theft Auto game will fit on an Xbox 360 disc, because Rockstar's motto has consistently been focused on making each and every new game larger than the last.

"One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc," Houser told 1up.

The hard drive issue is also another problem Rockstar sees with the Xbox 360, as not every Xbox 360 has a hard drive, which makes it very hard for Rockstar to implement HDD features into the X360 game. Continuing on the subject of limited disc space, Houser states, "the 360 is going to have to get 'round this issue we're talking about...hopefully, they're going to adopt one of those in the next year or so, because it's going to become more of an issue. If we're filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It's not like our games are going to get any smaller."

This bit of news brings up two thoughts in my head. 1) It wasn't just the PlayStation 3 that was responsible for the delay, as it seems rather clear that condensing content onto the Xbox 360's disc was a problem for Rockstar. 2) This problem seems all too familiar, as it's affected Nintendo in two generations, with the GameCube, and especially the Nintendo 64. Dozens of developers gave up working on the Nintendo 64 because of how limited the cartridge was, providing a maximum of only 64MB. But unlike the N64, the Xbox 360 has a solution: multi-disc games, which were very common back in the PlayStation days. For example, Lost Odyssey for the Xbox 360 boasts four DVDs worth of gameplay.

So does this potentially mean more multi-disc games in the future for the Xbox 360? Probably. What it doesn't mean is that Rockstar will release GTAV exclusively for the PS3 next time around, so put your shiny magic balls away.

4/23/2008 Arnold Katayev

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 1:24:19 PM
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nuf said! o' happy day for ps3 owners! on a more serious note my argument that the 360 used "some" old technology stands! this is fun to hear about because all the arguments of which system has advantage, well theres a HUGE one right there for the ps3!

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BlinkBoy
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 1:25:33 PM
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I am not surprised, how they actually did fit it on a dvd would be nice to know, What did they compress to get it to fit?

Because it have to be something they did to make it.

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Tatsujin
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 1:56:05 PM
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Well, Im not suprised... I think that everyone really knew that this would happen... And now thanks to Xbox, we don't get the best out of the game for Ps3 as Rockstar wants them to be "Identical" And as for that last comment Arnold, The next time around is a HUGE possiblitly for Ps3 Exclusive... Possibly every other GTA that comes out after IV is Ps3 and maybe PC exclusive because Microsoft already shoved the Blu-Ray up Sony's ass stating there is no need for it, I don't think Sony is going to take too kindly to that so when they do need the Blu-Ray Player (Microsoft) Theyre going to have one hell of a time trying to work it out. And as for the Dual Cds... that time has come to an end... it would cost Rockstar more money for dual CDs than exclusivity to one platform. It wouldnt make sense unless they jacked up the prices for the 360 version, Im not sure if you havnt noticed... Things are gettting pretty darn expensive. Sorry for the long write ppl :P

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ThePoetRazel
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 2:01:13 PM
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I can see a definite split from the current trend of multi-format games coming soon.
Also, to work on multi-disc the game is restricted in certain ways. Maps would have to be split across discs and so not randomly accessible. This will obviously deter development of large sandbox style games on the 360. Thus will probably limit the choice of game types on the 360, thus limiting the audience. Then, both the Wii and 360 would only cater to a limited audience while the PS3 still being able to cater to all. This is good news for the PS3, as most gamers are fairly varied in their tastes.

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Tatsujin
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 6:41:03 PM
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Makes a very excellent point. Maps, Cars, etc... How are they going to be distrubted with Multi-Discs? If you ask me... This is just more work for Rockstar... And we all know Time Work=Money...

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ArnoldK PSXE
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 2:31:56 PM
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Unless Sony pays Rockstar an enormous chunk of money, there is no way they're going to give up the X360 userbase, which should be even larger in a few years.

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Tatsujin
Thursday, April 24, 2008 @ 10:04:38 AM
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Although you are right, the PS3's database will also grow... It seems, at my school, for every 10 X360 owners, 8 of them are either buying a PS3 or completely giving up X360 for a PS3. But thats just my school, I don't know about your place :P

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tramp
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 2:46:29 PM
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it was reported that sony had the chance for GTA4 exclusivity but reject it because they had to pay 900 million(still a rumour)not much chance of them giving it to ps3 exclusively,their still to much money to be made of GTA on Xbox.

why cant rockstar be a developer that cares about their work and tries to get the best from themselves....shame really

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Tatsujin
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 6:42:41 PM
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Although a lot of people think like this, Rockstar can't just stick with one platform... the more platforms the more sales the more money... If Sony was to give Rockstar a hand, paying for GTA's development or such as, then Rockstar wouldn't have a problem with that... But once agian, everyone has a budget.

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Minishmaru
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 3:33:23 PM
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Rockstar never seemed to be about making games for gamers...more about the money. They'd rather make a compressed game for multiple platforms instead of getting the best out of one platform ::shrug:: I mean...if Kojima couldn't do what he wanted to on the PS3 w/bluray...imagine what kind of hell it would've been for him to try to do anything on the 360! Lets see...a cut scene,some sound effects,and a shot of Snake running and gunning, ::DISC FULL:: crap... :-P

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Tatsujin
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 6:46:20 PM
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Hahah, gotta tell you that did make me laugh but once agian... If Rockstar dosn't have any support from Sony, where is the money gonna come from? It's all economics. That also leads to the fact that multi-layer discs will require more thought, work, and money (CD costs, print costs etc...) which also can lead to Rockstar making some of their franchises (And I say franchises because ALL of Rockstars games are fenomenal) Sony Exclusive. But once agian, it all sinks down to economics, and whats best for Rockstar is whats best for us too really, we don't want the home of GTA to sink into debt. Well see what happens with the next installment of the game.

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timster118
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 3:41:44 PM
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Thanks Xbox, now we PS3 owners get a "watered down" GTAIV because of Microsoft's short sightedness. Had to to get your machine out a year early....got to beat Sony. Good Job:(

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Tatsujin
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 6:48:10 PM
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Although I agree with what you say it is not fully Microsofts fault. Rockstar needed the money and Sony didn't comprimise with Rockstar... well see what Sony does for the next Installment.

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googleguru
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 3:49:43 PM
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Blu-ray is the future!

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Tatsujin
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 6:48:45 PM
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It sure is, Feel bad for DVD.. Not HD-DVD though, it deserved to die.

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Tatsujin
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 6:48:59 PM
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Haha, Once agian, not fully microsoft's fault (I do hate Microsoft btw... Badly)

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Fabi
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 4:40:28 PM
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I also think that Rockstar kinda comes off as a lil' money hungry. Much props to Kojima - if only everybody had his drive for making great games...

It's a shame if GTA4 did get adjusted to fit onto a DVD.

I also recently read an article that pretty much said M$ is being stupid for not promoting the future DL content for GTA4. They needed to sway people now, not later when GTA4 is 6 months old.

It releases in like a week. I think they lost their opportunity to convince those people that weren't sure what system to get.

It will be hilarious if the PS3 version outsells the 360 - even if it's by a small margin.

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Tatsujin
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 6:50:38 PM
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Well, Konami is good on Money, and Sony did pay up Konami... But Sony didn't comprimise with Rockstar and Rockstar does need the money... We don't want Rockstar going bankrupt guys, once agian, its economics.

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dillonthebunny
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 5:19:23 PM
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Sony was rumoured to of been able to take R* under their wing last year.. maybe that was the price of 900 mil? I dont know.

but what is fact is that MS have rejected BRD in favour of the future of downloads.

so unless the game stays on dvd or becomes downloadable, who the hell knows what will happen!! but imo both ideas are narrow minded.

ps.. ive posted some links to gameplay vids of GTA4 in the forum under OXM review.. check em out, seriously!!

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LCF
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 6:13:11 PM
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Microsoft made a HUGH mistake when they went DVD and not HD-DVD as its format.Even if HD-DVD ended up like it did this year.Toshiba would still be making HD-DVD discs for x360 games.Good Job thinking ahead Microsoft.Everything about the PS3 is truely next-gen,thats all I've been preaching at this site.I knew GTA would have space issues on the DVD format.

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Tatsujin
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 6:51:22 PM
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100% Agreed.

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JToTha2
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 @ 10:06:44 PM
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Wow! It looks like the whole PS3 community has come out of the wood-work. lol. Well it does seem like a good selling point for the PS3 and it will definatly help alot of people when deciding weather to get a PS3 or 360 when it comes to games. BUT not all developers feel the same way as Rockstar, because they develope a game for multi-platform, BUT (big but) they make it for the X-Blows 3shibby... I mean the X-Box 360 then the PS3. They do this because it is easier to convert Standard Deff into High Deff then vise-versa. Ie. X-Box version comes out sooner and "looks better" as some people think. Well, does your system only get luke-warm in one spot (next to the power cord)? Hells nah! The 360 burns the crap out of your hand anywhere you touch it after 3 hrs of play time...

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Tatsujin
Thursday, April 24, 2008 @ 10:10:54 AM
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Thats now officially false :P After the release of the Phyre Engine by Sony, many developers are turning heads towards Sony's system first for two main reasons--1) It is now MUCH, MUCH easier to develop games on the PS3 and 2) Games first made on PS3 will look a lot better.

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Chris
Thursday, April 24, 2008 @ 3:39:31 AM
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All these people talking about how MS has held up the development of the GTA series is just bo##ocks.
BLU-Ray is a great storage medium but the drive speed caused developers loads of problems, whilst data can fly off a DVD, a crappy 1 X speed drive means that dev's now have to write lengthy installs in order not to have long load screen on the ps3, i have the original UK 60gig ps3, and I think my harddrive will be full before the year out...
BLU-Ray great for capacity, sucks for speed...

oh, and in addition the 360 will have whole city sized downloads available to it to install on their hardrive, whilst all we get is a 5 min install to keep the load times down when going from one area to another

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Tatsujin
Thursday, April 24, 2008 @ 9:42:24 AM
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Is this guy seriouse? Alright, yes the Blu-Ray reads slower than a HD-DVD but it reads much much faster than a DVD, I don't know what your talking about haha... And although the Blu-Ray reads slower than a HD-DVD, it still is capable of doing MORE than a HD-DVD.

For that second part, your obviously an undereducated moron, completely... Both systems have absalutly no load times, and both systems have 5 min. installs. The only loading time FOR BOTH SYSTEMS is a one time load at the start of the game. Do your homework kid...

P.S. You can swap your hard-drive as most of us do to a bigger HDD capacity... And for your info. Blu-Ray caused no developer any problem last ive heard. Infact, for what we all know from what the developers say, they are praising Blu-Ray over DVD and HD-DVD.

Go play your Shitbox 360 kid, stop posting here -.-

Another P.S. The "exclusive" content presented to Live users isn't whole city's at all... Infact, they are only extra/added missions to the game. And if they where to develop whole-city downloads, I think theyd do it over PS3... Epic already proved how great the PSN is over Live in this area with UT3.

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KidCallaway123
Thursday, April 24, 2008 @ 10:33:56 AM
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The hell with making the games identical...

If the Xbox360 media isn't able to hold all of the content (which we all know is true) then they don't get as good a game.

Why should PS3 owners get short changed in the deal??

Blu-ray rules!! PS3 rules!! Tatsujin Rules too!!

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Tatsujin
Thursday, April 24, 2008 @ 10:43:45 AM
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Haha, Thanks, but you gotta bear this in mind... Dan Houser said they wanted both versions of the game identical because Microsoft paid it to be so. Micro$oft throws money at things, and knowing that the PS3 version can hold so much more extra, exclusive content... Microsoft paid off Rockstar not to do so, to make them identical... But let's not forget, although Microsoft gets the Exclusive Eposodic Content (which is just added missions pretty much) Rockstar is keeping quiet on the Ps3 version... I think we will be in for a huge surprise in terms of downloads around the end of 2008 or beginning of 2009. It's highly possibly, and I dont doubt it a bit.

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Jdogtoocool
Thursday, April 24, 2008 @ 5:36:13 PM
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And people still argue which system is the better system...

Another thing people the Wii is not the better system out of the three. It just sells a lot because Nintendo is doing a very good job of gathering family's attention through strong propaganda...

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ThePoetRazel
Thursday, April 24, 2008 @ 6:04:58 PM
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Multi-level marketing scheme. Ninty is not good at making consoles, but is good at selling them.

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Lordnicon
Thursday, April 24, 2008 @ 7:03:11 PM
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Razel - True and false. I think they CAN make a very strong console but have faltered lately. NES and SNES were incredibly capable systems. N64 didnt do TOO bad. Gamecube is the system that put them in this sort of situation financially. They did a good job of working smarter not harder. Thats debatable but youre right - they are pretty good at selling them.

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evilweasl55
Thursday, April 24, 2008 @ 7:15:30 PM
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i'm a playstation fan but when it came to the new generation systems I Vote 360

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Tatsujin
Thursday, April 24, 2008 @ 9:37:51 PM
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But where will you go when the 360 dies?? =O

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Tatsujin
Thursday, April 24, 2008 @ 9:53:01 PM
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Btw where the hell do you come from guy? We are currently talking about how much X360 sucks and how lame it is to drag down the PS3 along with it... WE WOULDA HAD MORE!! MORE !!! MOREEE, but hey... that's life... You always have the Xbox somewhere screwing things up.

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DrakeVorhees
Friday, April 25, 2008 @ 1:02:38 AM
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You know what i made an account on this site just to talk shit to u Tatsujin......1. shut yo punk ass up. 2. of course ur gonna say everything u can to support PS3. 3. You ARE a Hater plain and simple.....you mad cuz we are gonna get exclusive shit that u cant have hahaha bitch....and i hope it is whole citys cuz then i can come back to this site and laugh at yo punk ass cuz u still driving around in liberty city 6 months after the game drops.....and i dont hate on PS3 hell yea they shit is off the hook and yea ima buy me one soon as MGS4 hits the shelves cuz thats my SHIT!!!!.......Anyway i hope u get on and see this cuz ur a dumb fanboy with a onesided view of things just like that idiot Jack tompson.....so eat a dick and watch my 360 smoke ur PS3 like a blunt bitch hahahahaha

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Tatsujin
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 11:12:39 PM
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Ah, The sound of a X360 fan blabing his mouth away :), Face it, your system sucks dick... Nothing I can do about it =/ Don't worry, Sony always has PS3's for losers that chose X360 over PS3 too early, if your lucky maybe you can buy one :D

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orangpelupa
Friday, April 25, 2008 @ 2:36:54 AM
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reading from BR is slower than DVD.
But BR have more space, and PS3 have big HDD, so the slow reading speed can be fixed by installing some parts on HDD.

for x360, i think the DVD9 is still enough, if rockstar make new , biger GTA game, rockstar just need to use new compression method. that compress more extreme,

but yes, this will extend lloading time...
loading when go to safehouse, etc will become longer.
and rockstar need to think hard how to stream the world data in real-time with a data have very high compression LOL

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Tatsujin
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 11:15:08 PM
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Remmember, You can only compress a game to a certain extent... No one want's to sit there for hours watching the game load... Y'know? But... New methods are possible

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I_HATE_FANBOYS
Friday, April 25, 2008 @ 3:12:54 AM
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Im guessing from your posts Tatsujin that you only own a ps3!! very few ppl on here seem to be able to sustain an un-biased debate regarding current gen consoles. Im lucky enough to own all 3 of these machines and can see clear benefits and problems with all of them. But to say the 360 is shitty simply due to a lack of Blu ray is narrow minded and offensive.

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Tatsujin
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 11:16:15 PM
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I owned both a X360 and Ps3, I chose Ps3 over X360 is because the PS3, in my viewpoint, gave me more for my dollar than the 360 did. And I also got bored of Halo 3 too fast...

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ThePoetRazel
Friday, April 25, 2008 @ 4:27:46 AM
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Are the last 3 comments all by the same person or a group of like minded dolts?
Tatsujin has been making good points, while these guys personal attacks show a weak argument.

@I_HATE_FANBOYS: claiming to have all 3 consoles is a common tactic well known to be used by fanboys to fake legitimacy. So you'll excuse me if i take your claim with a pinch of salt.

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Tatsujin
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 11:18:02 PM
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Thanks :P

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I_HATE_FANBOYS
Friday, April 25, 2008 @ 4:53:31 AM
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@ Poet, thats a fair point and i can do little to convince you otherwis except take a pic of my set up and post a link for you so i will do this now

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2771/dsc00195rq9.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/909/dsc00196qa8.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/196/dsc00197ud7.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/760/dsc00198uf4.jpg

copy and paste the links to see images of my current setup, although my second HD tv is currently in the other room, I tried to include a close up of this current post to verify authenticity.

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I_HATE_FANBOYS
Friday, April 25, 2008 @ 4:59:52 AM
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My next point: When did I carry out a personal attack, I merely summised that Tatsujin's earlier commments "go play your Shitbox 360" and "X360 sucks" based primarily around its lack of Blu-ray meant he most likely only owned one console hence he felt the need to defend it with insults rather than objectibvely commenting on the pro's and con's of all current gen consoles.

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Tatsujin
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 11:18:52 PM
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If you read my previouse comments, it's more than just Blu-Ray... Go read from top to bottom before you start shitting out of your mouth :P

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bigrailer19
Friday, April 25, 2008 @ 10:50:11 AM
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i gotta stand by Tatsujin, not because im a fanboy but because he is coming up with the cold hard truth and facts about the systems, while everybody like i hate fanboys and drake, all your doing is talking... all the evidence as of lately not a little over a year ago when the ps3 was first released is showing that of a true next-gen system, not one that held back to release earlier than the ps3. i own a wii also not a 360 but ive played all of em and im not thoroughly impressed enough to buy a 360 never was, when i heard what sony was doing with the ps3 around the release of the 360 i knew i was going to wait for the ps3 and not spend more money to have all the systems... anyways sorry its long but this is about facts here people, u got facts bring em to the table otherwise for now we'll have to suffer at the lack of the 360 with gta4 and others...

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Tatsujin
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 11:19:35 PM
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Thanks :)

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DrakeVorhees
Friday, April 25, 2008 @ 1:34:45 PM
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Hey Bigrailer eat a dick...i dont care if u hate me....i wasnt talkin to u......and fuck yo facts and tatsujins to i dont give a fuck about u fanboys proclaiming which system is the best...ima buy a PS3 anyway but i bet u my life the 360 gets way more play.....and just so u know R* most likely gone keep making GTA for Xbox. Cuz i bet u more ppl buy it for xbox than PS3...and Ps3 version will seel good to but why would R* cut the future moeny they could make on 360 just cuz Ps3 got blu-ray....im sure b4 the next GTA hits the shelves M$ will fix this disc space problem

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Tatsujin
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 11:21:06 PM
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Hey, Isn't this strange... X360 fanboys are yelling at me for being a fanboy, and yet they have to come in here and say all this because hey... They know im right O_O, Time to let the sun hit the deck guys, your X360 umbrella wont hide the truth for long :P

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MetalHead08
Friday, April 25, 2008 @ 4:05:46 PM
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yuh know the only ppl i see not insulting ppl is the ps3 fans and thats really sad. we ps3 fans are just bringing up good points while the CRAP60 fans are telling us to eat dick and thats just plain immature. now if any of you have bin paying attention to the game news lately you will also see that the ps3 is running into storage problems as well, Kojima, resistance2 ring any bells??? now just to bring up a small point, if Kojima is useing the ps3 for everything its worth then the CRAP60 is utterly doomed. at least sony and nintendo have proven themselves to be good comanys that dont dick around. microsoft in my oppinion is total garbage, greedy and stupid and i would never pay for any of there services if i could help it.

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Tatsujin
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 11:21:45 PM
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Very, very excellent point.

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I_HATE_FANBOYS
Friday, April 25, 2008 @ 6:06:33 PM
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@ metalhead dont make me laff you are contradicting ya self, refering to the x360 as CRAP60 is an insult so from your very definition you cannot be a ps3 fan! However im sure you are, and thats no bad thing. Dont get me wrong i dont agree with or condone DRAKE's comments despite saying he wants a ps3 he comes across as a total 360 fanboy.
I cant disagree with the fact that the capacity of dvd will be a major restriction to the lifespan of 360 and with ps3 having blu ray it is better equiped for future space requirements. But dealing with pure facts - No one has come from R* stating that gta4 has been cut down because of the dvd9 format. At this point ps3 only major advantage is blu ray but that has not yet become a required element. There are plenty of top notch games out and due on ps3 that dont fill 9gb of the bluray disc. At this point my 360 gets far more use for 2 main reasons:
1, Far more killer apps - at this pointI cant name a single game that is exclusive for the ps3 worth buying the console for except UT3 dont get me wrong over the coming year there will be more but even GT5 is not the leap from forza 2 sony would have us believe.
2,XBL no matter which way u spin it the online facilities for 360 are not rivaled by PSN, yes its free but match making is poor voice chat is often unavailable either due to poor software support or lack of standardised headset, online store despite its re-vamp is still not as effective or feature packed as marketplace and suffers from much slower download speeds. Yes I pay £40 per yr for xbl but dl speeds are usually 5-6 times faster all online games have adequate voice chat, friends list and community is well connected, not to mention full HD movie rentals and much bigger library of DL content. Im not saying ps3 is bad, it will last longer than 360 but at this moment in time it offers a much better value for money HD gaming/media connect service.
What else other than blu ray and remote play with psp can the ps3 offer over 360?

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Tatsujin
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 11:23:21 PM
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"No one from R* came out to say the Ps3 version had to be cut down because of X360"... Guy, seriously, are you challenged in some way? Look at the subject your readings... Moron. Plain and simple... Moron

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Tatsujin
Monday, April 28, 2008 @ 7:24:58 PM
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You obviously never played of PSN have you? You got a lot to learns...

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I_HATE_FANBOYS
Friday, April 25, 2008 @ 6:24:42 PM
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Please note the above post contains both fact and personal opinion - I am not slating the ps3 just pointing out that the lack of higher capacity discs does not make the 360 a shit console. The console launch times are changing i very much doubt that we will ever see similar launch times on consoles like we did in years gone by (example 16 bit 32 bit era). In 1-2 yrs the 360 will struggle to match the scope of first party ps3 games due to lack of disc capacity however it wont struggle to match it in other areas. And with the 360 only having approx 5yr life expectancy as did the first xbox it will be due a replacement no doubt offering improved spec over current consoles. will sony release a replacement to ps3 in this time not likely, so it will have a grace period where it is supperior to 360 as the 360 did over previose gens for a year before ps3 launched. I remember reading an interview with a sony ceo stating that they expected the ps3 to be sufficiently powered to last 10 yrs, I hope that was just hype or rumour as advances in PC performance shows that the consoles are alerady starting to show thier age! both ps3 and 360 have gpu's based on tech from 2005 meaning games like crysis (uses less than 9gb of disk space on dvd9) will struggle to run as smoothly on either of the consoles compared to a pc with quad core and current gen gpu's.

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Tatsujin
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 11:24:59 PM
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Honestly, I think you repeated yourself once agian, just in a diffrent form of grammer. :)

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Tatsujin
Monday, April 28, 2008 @ 3:31:31 PM
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Well, Now that I read what you said... Microsoft was given an outstanding wide-arm welcome to join Blu-Ray, but they simply turned it down due to their ignorance, and chose HD-DVD. Therefore, you can't really say "Oh, well the Ps3 launched a lot later in time, therefor it must have better technology" Because everything the Ps3 has was once offered to X360. Enough is said, yes?

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MetalHead08
Friday, April 25, 2008 @ 10:20:07 PM
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i was merely pointing out that we have not bin telling anybody to eat dick, so what if i call the crap60 a crap60 because what it is is what it is. i did not directly attack you. yes the 360 does have the games but only for now. the ps3 is also far more reliable as far as performance, same goes for nintendo. everytime sony or nintendo releaqse something it performs like it should but microsoft fails over and over again to fix or built something thats reliable. i cant stand useing windows but until i can buy a mac ill just have to put up with it. i remember reading some statistics that said 30% of all crap60's sold did not work or perform the way there supposed to. psn will grow with time, being that its free im sure they have to budget there money very carefully but when more ppl see the light im sure it will be far superior. i just love sony, there a really good company that know how to build their consoles and as long as they keep up the good work, they will have my loyalty. nintendo has my respect.

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Tatsujin
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 11:25:31 PM
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Once agian, makes points all over the show.

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DrakeVorhees
Friday, April 25, 2008 @ 11:27:42 PM
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Ok i was only insutling one person but others just love to but in..i only have one thing to say to all the folks who keep sayin ps3 will kick ass after it has more games.....ummm the only game i can think of thats exclusive and good enough to sell many ps3 consoles is MGS4....im not a fanboy i repeat i am not a fanboy dammit im just a guy whos pissed cuz ppl keep down playin my fuckin game console cuz it aint got no damn Blu ray....thats all PS3 got everything else lets face it ps3 fails at right now.... in time they will be back to the good ole days but trust and beleive xbox is always gonna be right there to give it competition...u guys sound just like the fanboys who said xbox wouldnt last 1 year after its last gen release..but we see M$ not only came hard last gen at such a late start but now there on top....yall keep talkin bout when sonys games get better then they will kick ass...well tell me when thats gone happen cuz im not seein it....only game comin out on ps3 i want is MGS4 and i was gunnin for UT3 but thats comin to 360 real soon...so somebody must know sumthin i dont cuz aint to much comin out thats not hittin xbox.....xbox is steady comin out with good games and takin the exlusives from Sony...so again tell me when the hell sony gone do sumthin to pick them selves up cuz again i aint seein it at the moment....i think bottom line is sony and microsoft are gonna always be right there at each others necks...cuz sony aint goin nowhere and neither is M$....and i apologize to those who were offended by my hatred to fanboys in my last comments but they were aimed at only two ppl not others so lets be men and no whine ok

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Tatsujin
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 11:27:22 PM
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Ok, Im too lazy to read all that... But I did read that word "Kick ass" quiet a few times... So, now that we know something is "kicking ass" Is it the Wii kicking X360's ass or the Ps3? Because I know X360 been kicking dust the past few months.

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MetalHead08
Saturday, April 26, 2008 @ 11:23:04 AM
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nobody is paying much attention apparently cause sony is very steadily picking up speed. really dude 3 times the amount of pre orders for ps3 version of gta4 verse the crap60. then you got kojima's over the top master piece that i just cant wait to get my hand on, ill play that till my eyes bleed lol. gt5, final fantasy. there are many more but i dont feel like lookin but the exclusives that the ps3 does have are HUGE exclusives, they are far from average. i just dont think the crap60 will be able to keep up. i did think about buying one once but i decided against it simply cause i trust sony. sony is the IRON MAIDEN of video games so UP THE IRONS!!

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Lacky
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 6:35:51 PM
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Just a FYI I got my copy of GTA IV for the 360 and its only 7,651,848KB

So the DVD9 isn't even full. Compression technology has come so far. The 360 has a ways to go before it is completly useless. I own both a 360 and a PS3 and i picked this bad boy up for the 360.

Sorry folks, I do not believe the hype behind the "Cell" processor. Fact of the matter is BOTH consoles are on their way out. Rumor I heard is both companies have a new system in development slated for a 2010 release. I'd imagine IF sony does release a new console in 2010 lot of you Sony fans will be pissed off.

I am sure if Microsoft releases another console prior to Sony blame will be placed on Microsoft for the next generation. Only time will tell, but as for now ya'll need to realize the games that are requiring the 50gb of UNCOMPRESSED data also utlize CGI cutscenes and multiple Language audio tracks. MGS4 could easily cut a huge amount of space by releasing "region specific" language tracks.

How them facts? As for the PS3 vs Xbox 360 sales, I could care less. I am more interested in seeing TOTAL SOLD as it is going to be out of this world. I've had my copy since Friday (thank you dumbass employee's) and I am simply ADDICTED!! Not sure how far I am, but the graphics are damn amazing, but I do see the AA effects being lacking at least on the 360 versions. I believe the shadows look like crap! Other then that tho, I am simply loving Liberty City.

Well that is my post, back to some GTA IV boys.

PS the load times ain't bad at all on the 360 and I love the fact the city is completely streaming! That is why rockstar gets my buck.

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Tatsujin
Sunday, April 27, 2008 @ 11:30:21 PM
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Im happy too see you got a copy that dosn't even exist :) 1) It's not out yet hun... 2) Why would Rockstar come out and say they had problems stuffing the game on the X360 CD, if infact the CD isn't even full yet.. DO YOU PEOPLE THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY BEFORE YOU SAY IT? Apperantly not. =/

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I_HATE_FANBOYS
Monday, April 28, 2008 @ 2:23:10 AM
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@ Tatsujin 1: The retail copy of gta 4 has been instores since thursday of last week - I know this because I work for a retailer stocking it (if again ppl dnt want to believe the facts I state i can easily back it up with an image of the invoice) 2: The disc has less than 1gb of usuable space left on it so pretty full, however once they figured out how to compress the required data they wouldnt change it make sure the disc was completely full - thats just dunmb.

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Tatsujin
Monday, April 28, 2008 @ 3:34:28 PM
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Well for the bitchy way you argue and the non-sense you come up with, I don't think you do work at a retailer store. Because here... Although the copies are at stores now, they are not to be sent/launched/put on display untill April 29. You should know this right? You do work at a retailer store after all :)

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I_HATE_FANBOYS
Monday, April 28, 2008 @ 2:29:57 AM
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Again at Tatsujin, can you read - The above article is discussing the fact that they had some difficulty compressing data to fit onto the dvd9 format not thaty they specifically removed components they had planned to be in the game just so they could launch on both formats. I repeat no one from R* has come out and said hey we wanted to do this this and that in gta 4 but we just couldnt because if we did it wouldnt fit on the 360 format. they just stated that they had to use different methods to fit the complete game on dvd9.
Feel free to call me a moron again if you wish it just shows you are incapable of objective debate and need to resort to insults to hammer home your point of view

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Tatsujin
Monday, April 28, 2008 @ 3:32:58 PM
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Nono, I think you cant read hun :) "DVD TOO SMALL, FITTING GTAIV A PROBLEM" Says it all, read the whole artical agian, then come talk to me.

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Arnon
Monday, April 28, 2008 @ 4:47:25 AM
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Tatsujin-

I do agree that the PS3 is overall a better hardware gaming console, but-

First off, if your a fanboy of eithier console(^^he is), you have major problems, because eithier way you will regret not having the other console. Right now if your a hardcore gamer, you have to be nuts(or stupid) to not own a 360.

Eventually MS fanboys will regret not having the PS3, for exclusives such as MGS4 and others.

Now, about the 360 and fitting on the DVD9, Rockstar had to use compression methods to do so, and they did it. Did it delay the release? No, and if did so at all, it was not nearly as much because of that then rather, the lack of a standard HDD in every 360 model.

What caused the most problems for Rockstar, 360 wise, was that they had to get by the problem of not all models of the 360 had a built in HDD.(Read that article, Rockstar clearly mentioned this)

Now, here's is why the Blu-Ray argument becomes null and lacks substance.

By the time most developers like Rockstar take advantage of it..as in GTA5, you KNOW the next Xbox will be here. Expect the next Xbox in 2011 or at worst 2012, and don't expect GTA5 until 2013 at the earliest.

Why 2013?

Because it took Rockstar 5 years to develop GTA:IV, and part of that was getting by the idiotic RAM design of the PS3 and the lack of a HDD in every 360.(like i mentioned before)

Now here is how the PS3 caused problems for Rockstar:

Rockstar stated in a past article that the split Ram of the PS3 was causing trouble because they had to borrow more VRam from the CPU allocated pool, and in doing so the frame rate(Nov. build) was taking a major hit.

On the flip side the 360 is a breeze to code for, because it's Ram is unified, and any amount can be allocated to textures at any time, with no framerate hit.

Now, please tell me the point of having BR when the PS3 still is bottlenecked with a weaker Ram structure?

Riddle me that, one? Please, and you PS3 fanboys know the answer.

Now DVD9 is enough for this generation, unless you think your 360/PS3 will be current enough in say 2012/2013, because both will not.

THEN in 2012/2013, it makes perfect sense to have the combo of BR and say 4-5Gig's of internal Ram.

So BOTH, yes BOTH consoles held back what GTA:IV could have been, the PS3 in it's weak Ram structure, and the 360 in that it lacks a HDD in every model(a bigger fault then having DVD-9).

Let's be thankfull Rockstar got the game done, with limitations on both consoles, because each has it's faults. So to all fanboys, STFU and enjoy the game already, ok?

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Tatsujin
Monday, April 28, 2008 @ 3:37:51 PM
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Im too lazy to read all that, and once agian ive owned both systems at one point. And for you info, Xbox 360 carries nothing of my interest. And yes, both systems did hold GTA IV back, that is very true, but with the BR CD space, they would have done more, but they did want them to be identical, so nothing can be said about that.

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bloodthirst90
Monday, April 28, 2008 @ 5:39:13 AM
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yeah well people are forgetting about how long we actually play gta games as in consistant hours. seriously, ps3 can handle gameplay for days and that is no joke. peoples xbox's are going to fail(explode by overheating) everywhere when this game comes out.

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Tatsujin
Monday, April 28, 2008 @ 3:38:52 PM
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They wouldn't fail nor explode bud, just depends on what room condition its in and how much space it has to breath, the X360 dosn't have a good cooling system, so yea it's proc. can be overworked sometimes.

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Arnon
Monday, April 28, 2008 @ 6:04:32 AM
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I can leave my xbox on for probably an entire day without any problems... no one in their right mind would play a video game for days on end... unless you want to go blind or die from sleep loss.

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Tatsujin
Monday, April 28, 2008 @ 3:39:27 PM
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I would, and I have... Heavenly sword, GTA VC, Driver 1... good days.

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I_HATE_FANBOYS
Monday, April 28, 2008 @ 10:32:30 AM
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finaly a well structured and articulate response (Arnon) you managed to get across my point of view far better than I managed to!
Cant wait to play the game - I am either an extreme gamer or very sad (you choose I dont really care) to have pre-ordered on both formats - It was the only way to be able to play online with all my friends Ive got a sneaky feeling 360 will be the better for that task but im not so sure about single player, guess I will know by this time 2mo lol.

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