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Square-Enix Siding With Microsoft?

During Microsoft's Xbox 360 RPG Premiere 2008 event in Tokyo - which is still going on - we have learned several things that will disappoint and potentially confuse PlayStation 3 owners.

Long-time supporters of Sony's PlayStation brand, it seemed clear earlier in this generation that Square-Enix would be looking to Microsoft's platform in an effort to embrace a wider audience of gamers. The first evidence of this was the announcement of The Last Remnant for multiple platforms, along with the unveiling of the 360 exclusive RPG, Infinite Undiscovery (developed by Tri-Ace; published by S-E). And now, more frustrating news for PS3 owners: the new Star Ocean next-gen entry has been officially titled, Star Ocean: The Last Hope, and it has been confirmed for release on the Xbox 360 next year. When asked by IGN if it would be coming to the PS3, Square-Enix producer Yoshinori Yamagishi said-

"We cannot announce anything on that. We can say that it will be released first [on the Xbox 360]. Whether well release it on the PS3 is undecided. We may release it, we may not."

Furthermore, guess what else is getting released first on the 360? That's right, The Last Remnant, which is scheduled for a winter launch on Microsoft's platform, and 360 owners are even getting the demo today on the Xbox Live Marketplace. Now, we know Square-Enix is looking to expand west as best they can, but if they want far-reaching success, wouldn't simple simultaneous worldwide releases be the order of the day? Of course, PS3 owners can still say the most important S-E games - Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy XIII Versus - remain exclusive to their platform, but with this apparent new love affair between Square-Enix and Microsoft, who's to say that exclusivity will last...?

6/10/2008 Ben Dutka

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Qubex
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 11:08:37 AM
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Sad and silly. Gamers and analysts quietly know that everything points to the Sony Playstation will eventually be the "leading" console in its category. Square Enix are making a mistake. Who agrees?

Q!

"aLL RoAdS LeAd ToO HoMe"

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dillonthebunny
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 11:11:03 AM
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i know they have to support all consoles, and finding the right game that wont 'shaft' that console they dont support much is task indeed.

Maybe they thought the 360 would like this and that the PS3 people wouldnt mind losing Star Ocean?

personally everything that Square doesnt bring to the PS3 is a loss for me, i like pretty much everything they do/ did (yes even The Bouncer).

i hope we will get Star Ocean, and i do think we will.
with SO being released on the PSP and SO being a largly Playstation concentrated fanbase, i think we will see SO4, but by the time it comes out, will any one care?

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shindelion
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 11:53:10 AM
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this news hurt me so much I had to sign up to make a comment about it. I’m a big SO and FF fan. Loved SO part two for PS. SO3 was ok to me but I was looking forward for part 4 and now this. Square is going to piss of a lot of people. Especially Japan gamers who has a vast PS3 hardware. Man I’m lost for words.

Last edited by shindelion on 6/10/2008 11:57:55 AM

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Zapix
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 12:15:49 PM
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... You know... I actually feel... Betrayed. SquareEnix is the one and only company that over years has kept me in the market at all for gaming (although since getting a PS3 and 360 that has changed alot) and specifically sided with PS3 before anything because of their history with Sony over the last what... 10 years? Now this... So does expanding to the west mean accepting Micro$oft Monopoly $$$ for 360 exlcusives? If that's the case, I might very well write SE off in the future post FFXIII. Their games have grown mediocre imo anyway since FFIX, and while X was decent, I enjoyed it more for the cinematics than the game. I feel VII was the last GOOD FF game, but despite that I've followed them with much loyalty... Bah.

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orangpelupa
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 12:16:56 PM
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im glad SE make games for x360, btw for japan market, maybe SE will relase it on PS3 too sometime after the x360 release.

just like BandaiNamco with Eternal Sonata.

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aaronisbla
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 12:25:59 PM
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The practice of "360 gets it first" is getting to be a pain in the ass. i dont get why we have to wait, the excuse of "ps3 being harder to develop for " isnt holding water these days. Id be just as pissed if this was the other way around though, its a practice that sucks for all gamers imo

Maybe Sony should throw some money around, but then it would be just as bad. All i know is sony needs to jump on the ball with the JRPG market and get sh** cranking out.

We got the action games, fun indeed, fps games, yeah bring it, but dont forget one of the markets that helped out the ps2

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rezenu
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 3:19:33 PM

I agree with you aaronisbla. You would think that if Kojima was able to work with the PS3 and deliver a game as phenomenal looking as MGS4, that other Japanese developers would stop using that god awful excuse already. They need to suck it up and start learning how to use the PS3 to it's fullest potential. There's a lot of untapped power in that system and this excuse is starting to become very annoying. While the 360 is easier to develop for, it does have it's negative effects as well.

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shindelion
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 12:31:43 PM
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well if they show a FF7 remake for PS3 I can forgive and forget this travesty. Still japs are going to be pissed by this I’m sure.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 12:37:04 PM
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Nobody was a bigger Square fan than I back in the days of the PS1 (see my avatar), but I'm not sure how to interpret this news.

On the one hand, I understand Square-Enix wanting to appeal to the Western audience because they've been losing money making games that are so "niche" for the Japanese market. The Xbox 360 is big in every other territory, so it's not difficult to comprehend the business move.

But at the same time, the 360 is a dead duck in Japan and Mistwalker all but proved it will ALWAYS be a dead duck. Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey were as big as they can be in Japan, and it still didn't shift a significant amount of units. Microsoft just won't catch on over there, and Square-Enix should know this.

In the end, I don't see any reason why they couldn't simply do multiplatform worldwide simultaneous releases for something like The Last Remnant. They're CHOOSING not to, and that, I don't get. By offering the game to 360 owners, that's a big enough gesture and it'll get to the Western audience. But taking it AWAY from PS3 owners is just a slap in the face and entirely unnecessary. That's where I come in.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 6/10/2008 12:38:01 PM

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aaronisbla
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 12:50:35 PM

thats my point ben, its been proven that you can do a multi console same time release, and have both versions identical, if not better looking on the ps3.

I cant see any past excuses working in this situation besides "hurry and cash this damn M$ check!"

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Warukyure [Power User]
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 12:38:37 PM
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YAY! S-E wants to break into the world market but sink their home territory... Great decision, Wada...

Not that the Star Ocean series isn't good. It didn't really sell to well. SO3 sold 530k in japan and 630k in North America, then I'm really worried about this series... The PS2 on which SO3 was released on was the most popular/most sold console at the time and if SO3 managed to sell a 1.5 mill (maybe) then I'd hate to see how this saga unfolds.

So basically what they are riding on is to basically sell 50k in Japan and maybe 100k in the US? I really doubt that this game will pull Americans away from stuff like Halo, GTAIV, and CoD4...

S-E you better hope M$ pays you a lot more in the future...

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Mystearica
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 12:40:23 PM
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Well SO4 is a TIMED 360 elusive as they are not "ruling out a PS3" release - that is complete TRASH! Many people own both systems - and if it were to come out to the 360 first then most people would buy it for that system... so even if it did come out to the PS3 it really wouldn't matter unless you exclusively own a PS3. Also by releasing The Last Remnant on the 360 first - I know many of my friends will want to play it sooner than later. So a LATER release on the PS3 WILL NOT be an accurate representation of how well the game will be selling on that system.

Now them siding with the 360 - S-E along with EA are the biggest money-hungry and un-loyal companies I have ever seen. Sure every company wants money - but other companies are not as inconsiderate as S-E and they don't seem to care about their lifelong fans and supporters.

Think about it - the biggest RPG fan-base is in Japan and most Japanese gamers DON'T care much for the 360. So by S-E supporting the 360 they just B**CH slapped all their life-long fans that supported them through the years.

I USED to be a fan of S-E myself when they were called Square Soft... but with the recent years and people quitting I can see it wasn't just "oh we wanted to start a new company"

And NO - it's not that S-E thought the PS3 owners wouldn't mind losing SO4. Star Ocean 1, 2, and 3 has always had a home on the Playstation Console.

Like I said, S-E has turned ugly, turned it's back on the Japanese Gamers, long time life supporters and it's fans and now is directed ONLY towards money... heck maybe even more than EA has...

Last edited by Mystearica on 6/10/2008 12:45:49 PM

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shindelion
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 12:52:22 PM
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they might as well join EA

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Qubex
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 1:31:13 PM

Oh, well said shindelion!

Q!

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rezenu
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 3:20:56 PM

Yep.

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shindelion
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 1:14:03 PM
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i agree with the multi platform launch. but they are not which in turn are going to hurt their own people and fans like us. i miss. ff tatics was ma big time fav. still is. but disgaea take the cake in the field. again i feel the hurt with Squares move.

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Dustinwp
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 1:21:16 PM
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You can go to live chat at Square-Enix's website and give them some grief.The person I talked to said Star Ocean not coming to PS3 is just a rumor.
YEAH RIGHT!

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Dustinwp
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 1:27:52 PM
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Heres the discussion.
You have been connected to SER Neil.
SER Neil: Hello, Dustin, thank you for contacting the Square Enix
Support Center. Just a few moments while I review your question, please.
SER Neil: Well, how would you like me to reply here?
SER Neil: I can only guess you are writing about the rumor that was
released about Star Ocean today?
Dustin: Yes
SER Neil: Well, you do realize thats only a rumor right?
SER Neil: Have you seen any of this mentioned on the North american
site?
Dustin: I hope so
Dustin: no
SER Neil: Well until then we have no comment on this I apologize, but
you may want to accept the simply fact that we will not only be
releasing titles for PS3.
SER Neil: The fact that you think this is a slap in the face..I
honestly do not share your opinion.
Dustin: you mean xbox360
SER Neil: No I mean PS3.
SER Neil: We will be making games for ALL systems, and they will not
all be cross platform, this is something you need to learn to accept.
Dustin: Well we'll see how far you go then.Most fans of your
games own PS3's
SER Neil: Dustin, if most of our fans own PS3s, why is that so,
considering we have not even made a PS3 game?
SER Neil: that makes absolutely no sense to me, you are upset because
you say our fans own PS3's, when...we have never released a PS3 game.
SER Neil: A few are coming out.Final Fantasy XIII and The Last
Remenant.
SER Neil: Are there any other issues I can assist you with right now,
Dustin?
Dustin: No, I have a feeling you will hear from more
people.Thank you

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 1:40:18 PM

The installed user base for the Xbox 360 is indeed much higher in the US simply because the system had a one-year head-start. But the PS3 is catching up, and I don't think S-E is giving that fact its just due...

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Mystearica
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 1:32:52 PM
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LOL - Thanks for the above

Wow he sounds like an ass....

You'd think a guy with the name of NEIL would have better English. Where can I go to give them a piece of my mind?


EDITING: NVM I found the "live chat" ^_____^

Last edited by Mystearica on 6/10/2008 1:40:56 PM

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Bugzbunny109
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 1:34:53 PM
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wow

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Minishmaru
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 2:35:51 PM
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Wow...alot of comments for this one lol. I'm just confused why SquareEnix decided to go to the 360...i mean in Japan the 360 is the least popular console...not to mention RPG's are more popular in Japan...so wtf is with that? Did Microsoft pay for all that stuff....AGAIN?
So if SquareEnix thinks that they're losing money and going over to the West is gonna be the answer...that's pretty stupid thinking. I mean...ok lets just compared Lost Odyssey to oh...lets say MONSTER HUNTER!....::ZIIIING!:: I'm on a roll today, glad I got my comments working lol you guys miss me? XD

I just hope all those games being released for the 360 are just A) Times exclusives B) Horribly shitty compared to the effort they are putting into FFXIII/Versus. C) If they are timed exclusives...omit B

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Mystearica
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 2:37:31 PM
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Okay deleted my initial message 'cause it's long - spam... so I'll upload a pic of our conversation

#1
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/843/61509883ir0.jpg

#2
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3787/27617616zh6.jpg


I'll be honest here... I wasn't thinking well when I corresponded with him because I'm playing a game of Yahoo Literati (wanna keep my record high)

Eitherway... 2 things:
1- That is NOT my real name
2- If you are lazy and dun wanna read the whole thing focus on the LAST FEW LINES IN PICTURE #2

LOL he says he's a 360 fan and doesn't like the PS3 LOL

So... Evilincarnate that explains his attitude with you.

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Minishmaru
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 2:41:21 PM

He should've just been honest and said "Listen, Microsoft paid us alot of money ok?" lol and left it at that. Cuz that I understand atleast

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Fabi
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 2:55:15 PM
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I really hope people freak out enough to get Square to do something about it. What a slap in the face.

Makes me question FF13. Imagine if Sony lost FF13. Wow.

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Dustinwp
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 3:01:53 PM
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Mystearica read your discussion with S-E guy.Only thing I can say is what an ASS!!!

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Jordahn
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 3:12:09 PM
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I for one do not mind multi-platform games. But if a publisher wants to break more into the market, respect must be given to the potential userbase of the software. If the game is NOT going to be on the PS3, let the PS3 userbase and potenial PS3 buyers know so it helps make their decisions as to what to buy. And the same hold true if and when a game is coming to the PS3. If a games is coming to the PS3, give everyone a fair ideal when so they can also decide whether it's worth the wait or not. But the lack of information is disrespecful to the gamers in general. Lack of information can hurt the publisher by shunning its users.

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Mystearica
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 3:24:36 PM
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^I agree there too! When SO4 was initially announced they never mentioned or confirmed what platform it'll be on....

Now few months after it's the 360... very typical of them to tease, let us anticipate and later disappointed us. Similar to FFXII - waited over 4 years and would jump at any little detail.

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BlinkBoy
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 5:13:07 PM
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Of course bet Microsoft payed for exclusively, why would S-E choose not to release on both systems which give even more user base. Plus Microsoft want to try last effort in Japan and think getting Star Ocean exclusive and get Last Remnant first will help them there, maybe it will but, 360 is the "fail boat" in Japan.

Nice money out the window by softboys.

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Tatsujin
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 6:44:28 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if Micro$oft coughed up some money and a little bitch talk to Square-Enix. Anywho, I don't really care nor mind. SE just lost me, their effort sucks and their plans drull. Although I love FF, I must say, I would like to see SE go down in the dumps now. I don't like it much at all now-days. Shin is right, they are like another EA right now. Electronic Enix--"We always fu** up your game experiance!"

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bamf
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 7:25:17 PM
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If I was a Japanese company set out to develope RPG games. I would be looking at which territory is best to release my games for. As Japan is the answer I would be then looking at which next-gen console is most popular in Japan. PS3 is the answer, so why is S-E doing the opposite? If S-E wants to be successful in the West, then they have to consider releasing FPS for the 360 rather than RPG's. The West also includes Europe where PS3 leads the way over 360 now.

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LCF
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 9:03:08 PM
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I wonder how this will effect their up coming MMO for the PS3 that is supposed to be out around 2012? If it wasn't for the PS2 gaming base alot of these companies would of been in the red.Here I thought square-enix was more into the gaming.(cheek hurts from the slap)

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fatchad420
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 9:35:04 PM
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I'm very disappointed

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Deleted User
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 @ 9:37:24 PM
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When will the PS3 stop getting screwed over with these delays. GTA dlc for xbox, Star Ocean and last remanent first for xbox, Alone in the dark Xbox first ps3 later, Whats next R2 on xbox first god damn!

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Advent Child
Wednesday, June 11, 2008 @ 12:04:50 AM
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Anyone else look on XBOX live and unable to find that demo? I was hoping to get some gameplay even if it wasn't on PS3, but I can't find it? Is it area exclusive?

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Gabriel013
Wednesday, June 11, 2008 @ 1:35:40 AM
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I don't care about losing exclusivity but I do care about losing a highly anticipated title completely or getting a rubbish port of it sometime down the line.

Surely S-E are worth enough not to need bungs from Microsoft if that is indeed what has happened.

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Warukyure [Power User]
Wednesday, June 11, 2008 @ 1:52:24 AM

Its not about whether they have money or not, but if some big company is gonna give you a lot of money to make a game, would you take it? Basically what M$ is giving could help offset development costs so basically its like putting a product out on the market for pure profit regardless of whether it sells or not, its making "Free" money.

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Jed
Wednesday, June 11, 2008 @ 2:32:25 AM
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I really would not care about multi-platform launches for square, if it makes them more money than they could make more and better games. However, and that's a big however, if they have to worry about making the game identical on all systems, it hinders what the game can be. Anybody remember Grand Theft Auto 4? Unless you want to read all the dialogue in the next final fantasy game, lets hope square sticks to playstation. Or they could release it on 9 dvds for xbox

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AscientDire
Wednesday, June 11, 2008 @ 2:32:59 PM
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Sony should just "buy" exclusivity...I mean that's presumably how Microsoft is getting all of these games. It's sad really; instead of developing games themselves, they just empty their wallets by sucking up good games for themselves. And depending on who you talk to, the PS3 is actually leading against the X360 in both Europe and Japan. So the Xbox is going to be the RPG gamer console of choice now? Gag me with a controller...

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AscientDire
Wednesday, June 11, 2008 @ 2:36:46 PM
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Besides...I thought Sony owned a majority stake in Square. Am I wrong?

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Tatsujin
Wednesday, June 11, 2008 @ 10:46:12 PM
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Your somewhat wrong... But what I don't understand... Sony is atleast 3 times richer than Microsoft. They have Columbia Pictures, they practicly OWN Blu-Ray, they make so many DVD's/Blu-Rays, and they have the Playstation... not to mention half the other high-end electornics they have... A TV that they sell is like 3000 bucks just for it's name, SONY. I don't see why they don't just buy exclusivities, it seems the right way to go if they want to win over Xbox/Microsoft.

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Minishmaru
Thursday, June 12, 2008 @ 10:14:10 AM

I just wish we got some clear answers from either Sony or SquareEnix

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lollpalooza
Thursday, June 12, 2008 @ 7:28:37 PM
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i dont know what sony doing atm with this console generation..i mean wtf is happening sony?how come i feel and probably some of you guys feels as well that they are not putting up a fight?i feel your abandoning us?...we are loyal to you sony thats why were still here trying to ward off MS's temptaions because we have faith in you, but now this?i wouldnt be surprised if FF series jumps to the 360 and if that happens it means square-enix has no problem in jumping as well..

if that happens i swear to god im gonna quit being a gamer, i have been in PS's side since day one, since wipeout, roadrash,warhawk all those times man..give us something in return for our loyalty!!

but the 360 has a disastrous record in japan and to the whole of the east region i guess (asia)..it would be safe to assume that with this move the japanese market wont budge because you know how patriotic and faithful the japanese are to their product?they have the code of bushido in their blood, they rather die that give to western ideals...its only here in the west that corporate shills are visible..

i lost my track here...but im really confused..might move to japan altogether..

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