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E3 2008: Sony On Backwards Compatibility: "We're Not Going Back"

The subject of backwards compatibility has been a sensitive one between gamers and Sony since the launch of the PlayStation 3. The original 60GB model came with that nifty graphics synthesizer chip that enabled full b/c for both PS1 and PS2 software. But it soon became clear that Sony was moving away from the feature, and now, the current 40GB model doesn't support any PS2 software (despite being able to play all PS1 games).

With the announcement of the new 80GB PS3 at this year's E3, it should be assumed that backwards compatibility, at least as far as PS2 software is concerned, is gone. The new model will have "all the features of the current 40GB model," and you know what that means... Of course, SCEA CEO Jack Tretton was asked about this at a roundtable with journalists yesterday, and his reply was both clear and firm:

"I would like to have had it in there, but Sony's collective strategy determined we could afford to lose it. We've now gone down that road: we're not going back."

Contrary to what many believed, it doesn't appear to be a matter of cost; it's just a decision Sony has made. As Tretton went on to say- "We're selling PS2 software to PS2 customers, and selling PS3 software to PS3 consumers." That's it, and that's all. Therefore, we have to assume that full backwards compatibility will not return in any future iteration of the PlayStation 3. Hence, it's going to make the most sense to have both a PS3 and a PS2 in the future, which - for many people - isn't really a problem. In fact, these days, it costs less to buy a new PS3 and and a PS2 than it did to buy only the PS3 at launch. Ever think about that, guys?

7/16/2008 Ben Dutka

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Comments (37 posts)

thesuffering85
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 @ 9:58:14 PM
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This isn't a big deal, it's nice to have the option to play ps2 games, but if someone's buying a ps3, they're buying it to play ps3 games. ps2's are pretty cheap now, so if you want to play a ps2 game that bad, either don't get rid of your old ps2 or buy a cheap one.

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krazzymoose
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 4:27:17 AM

that just takes up way too much space when you could have a singular system that would play games from all three generations in one box. Yes it does matter. Poor design (greed) on sonys part; they realized that they can still milk money out of the ps2, like the guy said above its not a cost issue so obviously they could afford to put BC in every box. but money talks and I guess that some sony exec still thinks that the ps2 can compete with the wii...
Greedy bastards!!!
WE WANT BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY

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Deleted User
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 6:48:49 AM

I'd like backwards compatablity but after reading that the 60GB version and the 80GB version didn't have complete bc I went with the 40 gb. Simply because it was cheaper and it was said to run quieter, smoother and cooler.

I still have my PS2 so that's what I play my PS2 games on.

Maybe in the future with the PS3 slim they might add BC.

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Damaine
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 8:25:08 PM

lol i have a 60gb too that has full bc for both ps1 an ps2 games lol i just put a 160 harddrive in it. lol im ok with there decision

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Deleted User
Friday, July 18, 2008 @ 1:57:05 AM

matrixkurt: actually the 60 gig did have full backwards comp. learn how to read so you arent always misinformed

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OtisFeelgood
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 @ 10:02:42 PM
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That sucks. I havent had a chance to play FF12, Kingdom Hearts 2, God of War 2, or Xenosaga Episode 3 yet and I dont have a PS2. >_<

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ActionJackson
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 @ 10:09:13 PM

Either buy one of the earlier version of the PS3, or buy one of the new models and also buy a PS2. PS2's are pretty damn cheap. there was a price drop to about 100 dollars recently for the PS2. AND, if you buy one off of Amazon you can get a PS2 anywhere from 50 dollars to 100 dollars.

So don't worry, it won't be a problem. :)

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Zapix
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 @ 10:58:48 PM

not to come off as blunt, but...

behold the power of ebay!

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Advent Child
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 @ 10:24:19 PM
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the problem i have is that a ps2 doesnt upscale to my hdtv

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Bugzbunny109
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 @ 10:40:18 PM

of course

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Odd Child
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 5:46:18 PM

my PS2 fell a couple of times...RIP ps2

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fatchad420
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 @ 10:40:48 PM
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I have a 60GB :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Damaine
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 8:24:54 PM

lol i have a 60gb too that has full bc for both ps1 an ps2 games lol i just put a 160 harddrive in it. lol im ok with there decision

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AscientDire
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 @ 11:07:11 PM
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I remember as soon as I found out that they were pulling the 60gig I rushed out and bought one. However, had my PS2 still been working, I would have continued buying PS2 games for that and PS3 games for the PS3 (which I admittedly would have bought at a later date). B/C is a good feature, but since most of us have a PS2 anyway, I venture to say that there are worse things that can happen (cough...RRoD...cough)....and just so I'm not being labeled as a fanboy by that comment...(cough...2.40...cough)

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QuasarSquirrel
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 @ 11:10:13 PM
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Weaksauce Sony, Weaksauce. You've nearly lost selling me a console already. This isn't helping your case :(

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aaronisbla
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 12:47:04 AM

If you already have a ps2, i dont see what the big deal is. Trading your ps2 in would be foolish, unless you need some money to eat at a fast food joint. Thats about how much they give for trading in ps2s lol

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QuasarSquirrel
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 8:06:22 PM

Well, at the moment I don't have my ps2, my father in law borrowed it. Its a launch PS2 so I won't be surprised when it goes curphlooey and I won't be upset, its had a good life, but nothing lives forever :) and when it goes I really just don't want to have an obsolete console sitting around for when I feel the need to replay one of my RPG's you know? It just ticks me off that after saying BC was important and having the PS2 work so well, that sony's taking it back. I thought for sure the newest SKU would have it back. Oh well....

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Jed
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 12:03:11 AM
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WOW. I cannot believe how WRONG they are on this subject. The only reason people wanted the 80gb ps3 back was for backward comp.
HOW THE HELL does it make sense to have a ps3 AND a ps2?????? I fail to see the logic there. This is a horrible move by sony.

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Bugzbunny109
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 12:26:34 AM

Are you high???? It is an awesome move by sony especially for those who want to buy a ps3. This new model brings 40 more gigs of memory[ especially since people are complaining they dont have enough space on their hardrive anymore], if they included backwards compatibility the cost would have to go up, and i really doubt that people want the ps3 to have the same old price tag of $500 or $600.If the price goes back up sony will lose some serious money, due to the fact that nobody will buy a $500 ps3. What I mean is that the economy we are in today is really bad, you cant affored spending $500 or $600 on a gaming consel. Pretty much what will happen if they put backwards compatibility in the new module, people would be inclined to buy the cheaper 360 or wii.

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aaronisbla
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 12:51:46 AM
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like i said above, its not a far fetched idea to have both systems. EVERYONE has a ps2 and if they don't it doesnt cost an arm and a leg. Think of it this way. The 80gb version was $499
The new version of the 80gb is going for $399. You could ( if you want ) use the extra money you saved and get a used ps2 slim.

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Zapix
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 2:49:18 AM
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Keep in mind people, Sony is still manufacturing the PS2, which means adding B/C to the PS3 could have a potential sales impact on the PS2.

As such, the PS2 is a seperate system, thus adding it back to the current system would raise need to increase the cost of the system. Like it or not, that's just the way it is.

As many have stated, if you have a PS2, keep it. If you don't have one, you can get a new one, or a used one so frigging cheap. I've seen them go on ebay, with the harddrive and network adapter for as low as $30 just 6 months ago.

If you don't have a PS2, go buy one. If you want a PS3, get a PS3. The cost for the system with B/C added back in would be atleast $100... So go spend that $100 on a PS2.


If you absolutely have to have a PS3 with B/C, go look on ebay or something. Sony said they're not going to add it back, they said they weren't months ago, and as long as they still manufacture the PS2, I highly doubt it'll change.

It's a dead horse topic.

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ThePoetRazel
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 5:42:02 AM
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Why does the 60GB model remain so popular on sites like ebay? Because people do want backwards compatibility.
The amount of PS2 owners out there is huge, and bringing them over to the next gen would be a massive boost to the PS3. But the subject of a lack of backwards compatibility is holding many people back from switching up to the next gen.
and let's face it, yes you can own both a PS2 and PS3 but, people don't usually have 2 main television setups to run them on. So it's either continuous switching or relegate one console to a backroom tv.

Sony's higher up obviously want to keep PS2 sales going on thinking that eventually PS2 owners will buy a PS3. But eventually is not soon enough. We need lots of new games, and the best way to persuade devs to make new games on a machine is to show them that there's enough units in consumer's hands to allow for a large enough audience for the game. This in turn, of course, makes the PS3 a more attractive system to consumers. Sony should be careful not to lag behind the competition with this.

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Bugzbunny109
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 10:17:12 AM

They could do what i do, when you are not playing your ps3 unpluge it and hook up your ps2, its that simple, you dont have to have two TVS

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orangpelupa
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 7:59:51 AM
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eh, i just hope sony scretly still developing ps2 emulator for ps3

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Deleted User
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 8:34:14 AM
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FFS why doesn't Sony just make a PS2 INSIDE of the PS3.

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danr
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 9:03:16 AM
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If you have PS2 games, you have a PS2 which can play PS2 games. Case closed?

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pavlovic
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 9:29:04 AM
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Use your PS3 to play your PS3 games.

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Minishmaru
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 9:42:06 AM
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neener neener...i got a 60gb XD lol

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Bugzbunny109
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 10:18:53 AM
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I have a 60GB you guys dont HAHAHAHAH!

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KingRed
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 10:54:19 AM
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It does make me love my launch 60 even more now. hehe

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Deleted User
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 2:24:04 PM
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Yeah congratulations you have the 60 GB version that runs on 90 nm. Meaning that our 80 GB and 40 GB versions runs fast, smoother and quieter. And use less electricity.

Enjoy your 60GB PS3s!

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Odd Child
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 5:43:30 PM

I love it, when I power my PS3 on and the town goes dark form power consumption.LOL

Nah though seems to run at the same Temp, Decibel volume and speed as my brothers 80 Gig.

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ThePoetRazel
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 7:20:18 PM

hey matrix, too cheap to get a PS3 at launch like us true Playstation fans did? Waaaaah. lol
My 60GB PS3 runs beautifully. And i can revisit any of my old PS2 games anytime i want without having to switch wires around or wait for downloadable versions that'll never arrive.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 9:57:25 PM
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For the record, just because the newer model PS3's use less electricity, that doesn't make them run "smoother and faster." It may run quieter (although even that's debatable; the PS3 has always been very quiet), but you're certainly not getting a better game experience just because you have a 40GB PS3 and some of us have a 60GB PS3 that drains more electricity.

To claim otherwise is just...ridiculous.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Friday, July 18, 2008 @ 1:58:44 AM
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matrixkurt: actually the 60 gig does have full backwards comp. learn your facts so you arent always misinformed


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tlpn99
Friday, July 18, 2008 @ 6:55:04 PM
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Some people like myself don't have room for yet another condsole lol. I have already next to my high def telly is my 60 gig partial b/c UK version but hey im happy with that, next to this is my Xbox360 which was bought a year before my PS3. My poor old chunky PS2 now rests in the 360 box all this and I have yet to buy the Wii for downstairs. I still do play some of my old PS2 games. So if as they say they aint gonna do b/c does this mean that come the PS4 the PS3 games won't work on it ?It surely can't be that costly to make b/c in a console. If we didnt buy the consoles in the first place they would be in a right mess. FFS sony get your act together.

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Lordnicon
Monday, July 21, 2008 @ 2:19:09 AM
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Ok Ok. Im one of those sony people that have yet to throw down the cash for a ps3 and I honestly have to say that im not digging this too much. Companies shouldnt be responsible to have BC but they have made such a strong dedication to that for a long while and it was a "one-upping" point against the 360's half hearted BC and now they want to do away with it.

If money isnt an issue then I think its a great thing to make the transition better for ps2 owners. I dont mind having both the ps2 and 3 plugged up since one uses component and the other hdmi and i have space but the fact remains that my ps2 has been showing its age for a while (not being able to load every game etc) and i think Sony knows that. Ive had 2 ps2's already (launch and 2nd gen) and quite frankly i dont care how much they cost. 100 dollars is more than I want to spend on something ive bought at full price twice. I have a 1st gen ps1 and it still runs very strong.

Ive had minor issues on timing with the 60gig and i dont know why and i dont know the situation with the current 80 but this whole situation just forces those like me who have yet to transition, to source out used units or prolong the debate on if/when to make the plunge. And when you work etc. the answer is not so blatant as it was 10 years or so ago.


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