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PlayStation 3/Xbox 360 Console War: Unneeded Animosity?

Has anyone else noticed a disturbing trend in the console war, specifically between PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 loyalists? I own both consoles, most people I know own both consoles, and if you're not familiar with the PSX Extreme readership, we are a diverse group that loves to play great games. Sure, we've got mostly PS3 fans, but we don't - and never will - tolerate the fanboy mentality from either side. But over the past year or so, it seems as if there's a huge amount of animosity between those who favor one side or the other, and I suppose my question is...why?

Let me see if I can understand both points of view, and whether or not either side should be really annoyed with the other. As far as I can tell, the 360 fans continually assault the PS3 and its owners for the following reasons- still more expensive than the 360, still not as many games, the Network/Store still isn't as robust as Live, and the PS3 isn't delivering on its claims of superior visual capability. Did I touch all the bases? Anything beyond that is probably quite subjective, like controller preference. Now, on the PS3 side, the fans will claim the 360 is completely unreliable, that Live is no longer significantly better than the Network, that the great games are starting to lag in frequency, and that the exclusives can't compare to Sony's. Did I miss anything? Oh, there's this thing where the Sony fans say Microsoft treats their fans like crap, what with the whole RRoD fiasco and the fact that MS Corp. only seems to care about money. Okay, there's something to that, but doesn't this imply that Sony isn't as interested in money? ...I seriously doubt it.

But while one could argue any of the aforementioned points until they're blue in the face, I fail to see the need for all this hostility that didn't used to be there at the start of this console war. It really didn't, as far as I can see. So here's my theory: the 360 fans are silently irritated that the PS3 picked up so much ground so fast, and the PS3 fans are annoyed that Sony hasn't completely delivered on all their claims. I get this sneaking suspicion that it all boils down to this, and that bugs me. As an owner of both consoles and someone who reads the news every damn day, I will say the PlayStation 3 seems to have the edge at this moment in time. This has nothing to do with this site or anything else; I find the conclusion to be quite logical. It's tough to deny Sony's list of exclusives in 2008 and 2009 (Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, LittleBigPlanet, Resistance 2, God of War 3, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, Wipeout HD, White Knight Chronicles, InFamous, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Gran Turismo 5, etc.). This year for the 360...what top exclusives are there besides Gears of War 2 and Fable II? And what about 2009...?

At the same time, I really do see the tremendous strides the Store and the Network have taken in the past two years. Don't see as much on the 360 side, which means in my eyes, what with the free Network and all, both services are almost equally appealing. Yeah, I know the hardcore onliners will say otherwise, but for the vast majority of gamers, I seriously doubt the difference is significant enough to make a big stink about at this point. Yes, Blu-Ray is a big deal. Yes, the system is faaaaaaar more reliable than the 360. But knowing all this, and being as psyched as I am over the PS3's current momentum, I can't bring myself to feel any animosity towards the 360 fancrowd. I mean, if you're a fanboy, I despise your existence regardless of what side you're for, but you get what I mean. Why is it that so many people are more interested in insults than the facts? Why are PS3 and 360 owners constantly at each other's throats? I'm telling you, it's all because one side is a little jealous and the other side feels a little let down, and that's the end of things.

How far off base am I? I'm guessing, not far.

10/10/2008 Ben Dutka

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Comments (183 posts)

Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, October 10, 2008 @ 11:51:02 PM

Like the analogy. :)

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Advent Child
Friday, October 10, 2008 @ 11:01:40 PM
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It bugs me. I buy most all my games for my PS3 because, well it started with simply having free online play and I didn't have XBox Live. But now just a matter of opinion I prefer my PS3. I have no hatred for my 360 or the games I have for it. I have no problem with people who prefer the 360. I, like you said, only have a problem with the people who yell and scream that they know what is right and better and that they are smarter than everyone else and you should listen to them.

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www
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 6:18:49 AM

ffgamera,as far as we all like to remain non-fanboys,i think it does matter,when it comes to multi-platform games,u obviously wanna buy a game for the system it performs much better on.

A true Fifa fan wouldn't buy Wii's fifa with the big heads,u certainly goin for the best either on 360 or ps3,so it does matter.

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AceTatsujin
Friday, October 10, 2008 @ 11:07:31 PM
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You nailed it again, Ben. We will have to wait till the end of November, December or hell we can give it till the end of this year and pull out the sales charts on both systems. Couple of more months and things will be shifted.

I'm kinda bored with all of this too. With the games coming out, I'll be enjoying playing them and stressing out every possible thing in those games. So many games, so little time.

And on another note, the 360 is a great console. I don't have it for many reasons and I can tell you it's not pulling me at all. The PS3 (60 GB) was the perfect choice with everything that was included in it from Media, Blu-ray, Chatting, Gaming and whatever else I haven't mentioned ... besides the fact that it is colored in black (PS2 owned hardcore when it came out!). The 360 is still there and does deliver some good and great games. I explored its Dashboard 2 or 3 days ago (was my 2nd time exploring it) and it was pretty cool. I'm just not going to dumb anymore money on games when I have a ridiculously large list on the PS3/PSP and few PC games and to the fact that the PS3 has a powerful list of exclusives. I'm happy with what I have.

Played Valkyria Chronicles and loved the battle tactics! I love FFT game and I can't wait to play this game. Eternal Sonata as well! And the many other great games!

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FLYING_APE
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 4:20:41 AM

totally agree with you sir. But will the ps3 future exclusives deliver ?

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John Shoemaker
Friday, October 10, 2008 @ 11:11:46 PM
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To me, it just seems to come down to exclusives when I browse forums. Most PS3 fanboys calm they have better exclusives. And most 360 fanboys calm that PS3 has no games and that all their exclusives that are listed, most of the time, haven't even come out yet.
It's getting to the point to where that this is the number 1 argument for each. And it's getting sad.

And I'm a PS3 owner. I'd rather have a PS3 because the control is better. Even with FPS.

But this could go on forever. I'd say drop it honestly. Nothing will come of it.

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MetalHead09
Friday, October 10, 2008 @ 11:13:39 PM
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what you said makes sense up till the point that ps3 owners feel let down. i myself am immensely pleased with my ps3. i cant speak for everyone so im just gonna speak for myself though. i just dont like microsoft or the 360 but i can admit that many games on their console are appealing, i just dont like the 360. me and my friends dont hold anything against 360 owners at all just dont start bashing the ps3 and expect me to not say anything back yuh know? thats my view point anyway.

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Qubex
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:37:46 AM

MetalHead08, I feel let down somewhat, reasons are technical more than the games... I feel we are not getting true "next gen" performance just yet!

Q!

"aLL RoAds LEaD ToO hOMe"

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LightShow
Friday, October 10, 2008 @ 11:42:53 PM
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I have no problem with The 360. I have no problem with Multi-plat games. what i do NOT like is microsoft buying studios and IPs, making them exclusive.

I have a beef with microsoft, not their products. Any of those like minded?

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MetalHead09
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 1:05:07 AM

yup i agree.

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MetalHead09
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 2:39:43 AM

slight correction, i dont like their products.

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karneli lll
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 12:56:48 AM
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i noticed that ps3 owners are constantly on the defensive,against xbox extremists,so probably ps3 fanboys is a result of 'balancing the equation'. i have nothing against the 360, i jus dont like the console and the parent company.There's nothing wrong with not liking the 360, or the ps3 for that matter. Let the 'fanboys' (if there was such a thing) fight it out.

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creepypete
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 1:01:08 AM
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Good, you condemn fanboyism and then completely morph into one by the end of the article. That is typical of fanboys when their favorite console has a bad week or two, to say both consoles are great and then in a passive aggressive way only a kid can dish out show differences between the two that favor their console. First you lay the groundwork that a rebuttal to what you have to say won't be tolerated, then you compare Live to PSn and talk about how new and fresh the PSN is.

Well I have BOTH, and I NEVER compare the two...EVER. Just don't even bring it up, . . . please.
No one cares if you do this on a PS3 site, that's what we come here for, but don't print nonsense like this , and then change midway through your rant.

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Advent Child
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 3:25:42 AM

I think you are misunderstanding what he is saying. He is not showing favoritism he is condensing facts

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aaronisbla
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 4:56:56 AM

Did we read the same article? i haven't notice him morphing into a fanboy....

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www
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 5:56:16 AM

I hate these pranksters who can't stand in the own shoes n speak,they use different usernames to talk crap n get some attention,they proly the same ol' psx members we see every now n then but when they wanna say crap to Ben,they change they names.For the record i aint heard a name like "creepypete" makin constant comments on this site,i know the regular names n avatars.

If u think this will get u numerous replies n some celebrity status try this sumwhere else,i don't have time to argue with ur likes,if u was genuine i would have.

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missdelirium
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 7:48:50 AM

lol i know, right? typical hypocritical fanboy. it's the pot calling the kettle black.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 8:50:13 AM

Nobody changed a word. Examining than stating a personal opinion isn't fanboyism, and furthermore, if you never compare anything, you're either lying or dense. Take your pick.

Don't post a comment like that again...you don't come off well in it, as people have already said.

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The_Chimeran
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 1:10:48 PM

C'mon really now. Read the article again and please point out the part where Ben says PS3 is beating the 360. Ben just said that it has more momentum while the 360 hasn't announced too many exclusives, or at least compared to Sony. We all know how just one announcement/show can switch the momentum of a console.

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Aftab
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 2:05:37 PM

Never compare the two? Dude, they're your toys, not your parents, or children. Further more, they're toys, and loads of fun, but they're nothing to disrespect another person, over.

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Crono
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 3:30:30 PM

Aftab speaks the troof.. It's more than a bit pathetic being afraid to compare two pieces of hardware.

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LightShow
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:19:25 PM

whats the record for most outraged replies to a comment?

cuz if this keeps up it might break it

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Fabi
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 1:01:19 AM
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@LightShow - I don't like MS either. I am all for the universal console. It would be awesome.

How sad is it that the PS3 is in last place this month in Japan?

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Jason Lee
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 1:04:34 AM
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Most the conservative/fundamentalist gamers are endlessly fascinating, because they lack a major personality trait called openness to experience.

I think most fundamentalism is retarded, especially when people choose to look at the lowest representatives of anything. And while I think we should welcome people from every gaming persuasion, it rarely works out. Because some communities have a birth defect from the beginning.

To speak in evolutionary terms, one of our hard-wired evolutionary traits is to form communities/loyalty. We see some evidence of this in animals, but it's only among human beings where you find very, very large numbers of people who are able to cooperate and join into groups. But traditionally, groups are united to fight other groups. This probably comes from our long history of tribal living and tribal psychology that's hardwired in all human beings. And this tribal mentality is very pleasurable, even when we don't have tribes, we go ahead and make them, because they're fun (fansites, protest organizations, social networks etc.)

But the problem with these "tribes" is the typical lack of diversity, which makes understanding harder, because when people in one community all share the same values/thoughts/morals they become almost homogeneous, and once they engage in the psychology of "tribes," it shuts down open-minded thinking.

And when our team is "losing," we try to comfort ourselves, we try to hunt for reasons why anyone would like that system over my superior system. And typically, we reason either they're manipulated by marketing/fundamentalists or blinded by their own stupidity.

And neither are true. If you believe either is true, then you're stuck in a kind of moral conundrum.

It's evolution at work. Our minds were designed to unite us into teams, and divide us against other teams, and distract us from the truth. But there's a wonderful Buddhist passage that I think offers a great insight into moral psychology: "if you want the truth to stand clear before you, never be "for" or "against." The struggle between "for" and "against" is the mind's worst disease."

But I only partially agree with that. I think we should all strive for something, but you can't say you're wrong and I'm right, because everyone thinks they're right. A lot of our problems that we have to solve are problems that require changing other people, and the best way to change other people is to first understand who we are, understand our evolutionary moral psychology. And then step out, and try to see it as a struggle that everyone thinks they're right, that everyone has reasons (even if and especially if you disagree with them) for thinking they are right. If you do that, that is the essential move to cultivate moral humility. To get yourself out of this self-righteousness, which is the normal human condition.

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DIsmael85
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 1:30:39 AM

Dude that's an awesome scientific approach to this. I think you may have went a little over board with the process though. Haha, it's just as simple as pride and ignorance. If you are living in America, just think of the way people are. It's just that easy.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 2:29:15 PM

Didn't u get your ass banned Jason Lee?

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Aftab
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 6:09:35 PM

Jason Lee, I hear you, but what's a "conservative/fundamentalist gamer"? That's a rather crooked implication to group conservatism with fanboyism, fanaticism, or fundamentalism. You know, "liberals" can be guilty of those things, too.

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LightShow
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:23:57 PM

I share World's confusion. Didn't you get your ass banned?

and I have an alternative theory. in a consumerist society, money is the most important thing.

consoles are expensive, no matter which way you slice it. when people have to choose one console or the other, after they pull the trigger they like to feel like they've made the right decision.

if that means over-compensating and calling people who made the other decision idiots, it matters little. as long as the individual thinks he made the wisest decision, he goes to bed happy.

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Alienange
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 3:46:59 PM

Don't copy and paste some copyright mumbo jumbo into your post! It's long, boring and most likely against site rules.

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DIsmael85
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 1:12:55 AM
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I'm only going to say this from my point of view. Microsoft has alienated enough of the market that this is what was and is happening. Also I'd like to note that we have extremist out there that believe we shouldn't buy anything foreign and keep the money in our country, which isn't in good shape anyway. I chose PS3 because I have chose the Playstation Brand since Playstation 1. I never owned an Xbox and I will never. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because I love technology and the PS3 has everything a techno geek like me could ever ask for. That's my take.

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Alienange
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 3:48:00 PM

100% Agreed

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Cuetes
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 1:32:13 AM
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I just wish people would get back to what made gaming our way of life, GAMES! It wasnt long ago I remember playing pong on a black and white TV with my cousins, we didnt care about pixels, RAM, disc storage space, etc. We cared about the fun, the experience, the feeling of stompin' King Koopa's ass or finally beating Iron Mike on Punch out. It was the games we loved, nintendo, sony or microsoft had nothing to do with it. "Fanboys" should pick up the sticks and play a game for once.

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DIsmael85
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 3:16:01 AM

I remember those good ol' days right up to just before the release of Xbox 1. I do remember enjoying the heck out of such games as Halo 1, the best of the Halo games, KOTOR, loved the new way it was. It was at this point, that the fanboyism spawned and the Xbox crowd was born. I do not remember such spite when it was just Playstation and Nintendo. Sure there was competition, but not to this level.

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DickyDick1969
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 3:18:21 AM
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I admit, I am a true Sony fanboy. That's just a matter of "emotional loyalty" to a brand I liked for a long time: **Playstation**

Microsoft is great in getting compitition into the market, but I don't like their tactics. Just throw in a big sack of money and we buy our way into gameland.

Did they revolutionize something? Next to the overrated "Live" I don't see anything. The old XBOX was just a PC, for goodness sakes!

Buy something there, buy something here, throw in some smear campaign, buy some game software houses and voila! We bought us a nice gaming platform to parade around in the rich's men club.

And I do play a lot of games, just not the green ones ;-)

pimpware.org




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FLYING_APE
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 4:25:42 AM

You are a NOOB sir, LIVE is not overrated. once you have it you never want to go back to the psn. LIVE has a sense of community psn is dead. i don't think you have a shitbox do you... i thought so. ZAP !


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Aftab
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 2:24:28 PM

Sense of community? Are you referring to the thousands upon thousands of loud mouth adolescents cursing and teabagging each other? I haven't played on Live, but from what I have seen on Youtube, that reminds me more of a prison, or detention center for troubled youth. Again, I haven't been there, either.

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missdelirium
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 7:49:59 AM

correct.

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PSN _HAITIAN_JB
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 4:26:41 AM
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Well i'm not a fanboy but i've been with sony since 96 till this days and i will always choos sony brand even tho right now they're not up to speed but they're getting there.I do own a 360 and xbox 1 c'mon free online ms charges $60 for it service or more, i'm a tech freak and my 60gb ps3 whichs now 500gb free online gettin free stuff every week good games line up, 360 has some good games don't get me wrong i enjoyed it until last month i got THE RRoD took ms 4 weeks to fixed it since then im very afraid just to live it running for 3hrs, my ps3 left it run for days just like my pc "WOW WHAT A GREAT CONSOLE" well Ben i just wish Devs take times with ps3 learn the system arch. like they do with 360 we still getting crappy games like rainbow six vegas 2 look good on 360 but ps3 crap crap thats what bugs me game developers not taking times with ps3..

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DeathBySnooSnoo
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 4:59:07 AM
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Perhaps Sarah Palin and John McCain have been attending Xbox conventions and telling people that only terrorists play PS3.

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Aftab
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 2:17:15 PM

LOL!

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www
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 6:14:41 AM
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One thang i must say i don't like bout MS is they want in in every industry to dominate n if they get that position they start relaxin n they are overtaken again,they rushed 360 to kill Sony,they got numerous games at the start,now look at'em they are out of ideas,not enuff exclusives just relyin on third-party titles,this is a typical MS at their relaxation point after achieving knockin out Sony in sales n gettin their most wanted...money.

It's now clear most fanboys r from MS seein as their leaders r even one,they keep bashin blu-ray when asked bout it n still insist the future is digital dl,meantime Hoshida says he wishes 360 n ps3 r succesful in Japan so the Japanese can start acceptin next-gen games,shame on MS

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orangpelupa
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 7:16:18 AM
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both console have its own great exclussive.
but i think, MGS4 in PS3 is the best.

there still no xbox 360 exclussive can beat MGS4.
i never get the "epic feeling" i get when playing MGS4 in any other games.
Tales of Vesperia and many xbox 360 games are good, but all of them still can beat kojima :)

its realy the game that make we buy and love a console.

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missdelirium
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 8:10:51 AM
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i agree all systems have must-play games (but i luv my ps3 more than xbox a lil more) but ben, since you despise fan boys does that mean you despise yourself?

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aaronisbla
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 3:45:41 PM

Since you love your ps3 slightly more than your 360 would that make you a fangirl? um no, so what type of question is that to ask ben?

You know, its possible to like a system more than the other and not be a fanboy/girl

Listing a system's faults or opinions of things you dont like about it doesn't automatically make you hate said system

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FLYING_APE
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 5:14:27 AM

correct.

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aaronisbla
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 6:55:08 AM

lol

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Deleted User
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 8:27:14 AM
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360 Exclusives for 2008-2009 - Fable II, Gears of War 2, Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts, Halo Wars, Halo 3: Recon, Star Ocean 4, and more.

If you claim you're not a fanboy site, make sure you dont list only 2 360 exclusives and the PS3 20.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:00:53 AM

I specifically asked what I might be missing. ...and thanks for that list; you basically just proved the 360 exclusives can't possibly compete.

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Orvisman
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:14:31 AM

@ Sgt. Barone,

I think Star Ocean 4 has been announced at the TGS to come to the PS3 too. Unlike Infinite Undiscovery and Lost Odyssey, M$ft doesn't own the Star Ocean brand.

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Affliction17
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:16:18 AM

Well first off Halo 3:Recon isn't a game it's an expansion if you want ben can start listing the expansions for warhawk and call them games as well.Also ben listed games that are some of the most anticipated at the moment,Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts I never heard of it until now and Star Ocean 4 isn't a exclusive anymore it's coming to the PS3,so here is your new list Sergant...Fable II, Gears of War 2,Halo Wars.The only one he didn't include was Halo wars....forgive him.

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Jorge
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 1:45:08 PM

I agree with Barone. Ben is acting like a fanboy too by ignoring several Xbox exclusives. You list wipeout, but not Halo Wars? Is God of War confirmed to be coming in 2009? He missed Banjo Kazooie. What about Left 4 dead, Infinite Undiscovery? If we are going with non-confirmed dates, then we could add All Points Bulletin, Alan Wake, Age of Connan.

These are not facts, they are his opinion. He chose which games to leave out and which to consider "big" exclusives.

I only own a 360, but I would definitely consider buying a PS3 if it gets enough good titles. So I don't consider myself a fanboy. I am not sure which console is better, but I do agree that the PS3 is a better value for your buck, even with the price cuts. I mean add Blu-ray, Wi-fi, free online MP, and better reliability, and that's worth more than the price difference. About the games, it's all about preference. I don't care for LBP or MSG, but I am eagerly awaiting Fable 2, L4D, Mass Effect 2, Gears 2, etc.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 2:35:25 PM

Star Ocean 4 is looking more and more like a multi-plat my friend. For the guy above me: Infinite Undiscovery failed, and these just aren't "big"

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missdelirium
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 8:40:49 PM

ben, i think some people are right in that, your poorly reasoned statements masquerade as well-intentioned desire for equality. u r such a hypocrite, fanboy. if i have to explain, it's too late to help u...

i thought this site would be different. too bad it doesn't live up to its mission statement. it's just like every other game site.

oh well.

PS if you have to insult people... u r just as guilty as they are for being childish. pot, meet kettle.

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Alienange
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 5:11:08 PM

Ben said "top exclusives." Banjo-Kazooei ??
Halo Wars ?? Riiight. We know how well RTS games do on consoles. Can't wait for that flop to come out. "Top exclusives" go to Sony.

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Crono
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 8:56:41 AM
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Like Jason Lee said; it's a tribal thing, like you see in sports or anything really where a rivalry is established. Personally I don't see anything wrong with banter, as long as it remains civil.. the demonising of the 'fan' mentality has gone a little overboard. Just be rid of the ignorant stuff and that'll do, imo.

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Bugzbunny109
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 9:02:17 AM
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I dont even pay attention to fanboys anymore, instead of stressing over them, i will just enjoy the good games comming out this year.

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Alexander Morou
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 9:12:11 AM
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Personally,

I only own one of the two consoles; however, there's no need to weigh the two either way. For me, I purchased the XBox 360 for the development opportunities it presented for me as an indie game developer. So being able to easily develop for it as a platform and plan for releases in the future, is a win for -me-.

Blu-Ray is PS3's biggest achievement. It was really hard to tell at the start of the format war which would win out. Blu-ray had expensive units and an expensive PS3 (that did more than play Blu-ray Discs). From what I remember from that time, the PS3 was looked at as superior because you got the next generation player along with its extra functionality.

That alone doesn't make the console superior as a gaming console, but it does make it more widely accessible in the future, since not only can games be developed for the console using Blu-ray discs, but once Blu-ray becomes more and more common as a media format, it'll be more favorable in the current generation of game consoles and the movie industry.

Long term is key on this. From what I've read Microsoft's console is much easier to develop for, so on the games front, you'll see better titles quicker on the Console. The PS3, on the other hand, has issues due to architectural limitations. The small 10MB eDRAM on the XBox 360 system is just faster, it allows for more rapid processing on frames to occur. Adding to this that the entire system utilizes a unified memory architecture, there's no penalty for using memory on either side.

The PS3 has the advantage on Raw power, but since its memory architecture isn't unified, it takes a hit in copying the data, so while the PS3's limited purpose multi-core architecture might have more horsepower, it'll be a royal pain in the rear for it to even compete on a level playing field. Often games for the PS3 are later than the 360 counterparts because of the development and learning curve of its specialized (vs. generalized) architecture.

For either side you have pros and cons. Which is better doesn't matter in a broad sense. As consumers that think, you weigh the differences between them and decide for -you-, which is better at the time. Perhaps later when you've recovered from buying either, you can try other avenues.

All in all though, the games move consoles. PS3 and XBox 360 often play an endless game of tug-o'-war because of the exclusive titles that they bring to their side.

People can say that Microsoft is evil for buying IPs and making them exclusive, but Microsoft is based in the US, Sony in Japan. Don't quote me on this, but I think Japan makes more games than the US does, if Sony has a title that's PS3 exclusive, who's to say that they didn't buy the IP on the Japanese side? Even if the Japanese company has a place in the US, if it's base of operations was in Japan, it would be taking orders from the home office.

Things aren't always black and white, just disliking a company because you hear bad things about them is silly. If you want a real reason to hate them, look for yourself.

Most stories are written towards a specific goal in mind, while most journalistic endeavors are minded to be as neutral as they can be, it's become more and more frequent to slant them towards personal preference. In fact, people _want_ that, as silly as that may seem. If you find yourself continually reading a specific person's article, that means that you find something about them you like, regardless of the subjective nature of the article.

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bamf
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 9:26:03 AM
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It doesn't have to be consoles, everyone is a fan of something in life, and because of this you will always dislike the competition. The biggest area for fanboyism obviousy is sport.
I'm a fan of english soccer side Manchester United, have been all my life, I live in the area. In soccer there is no such thing as just liking the sport and will support any team, we're all fanboys at the end of the day. Manchester United is proven the best team in Europe (which effectivly means the world really, as all the best teams are in Europe) because of their success, Manchester United are also the most hate team in the country.

Some people don't know they're fanboys. Homer Simpson said it best when he said "Don't you love it when nerds don't know that they're nerds" made me laugh.

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Crono
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 10:00:55 AM

Indeed, the cry of " *gasp* fanboy!!! " seems to have grown as tiresome as what they're attacking. Dislike of a company or it's products can easily be reasonable, and it's the irrational hate that is by far the most annoying and what needs to be stamped out. And btw Champions of England, Champions of Europe. :D

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karneli lll
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 9:29:36 AM
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St Barone and misdelirium
Its an opinion,get over it,this is not a fanboy site.If you felt hurt by the things Ben said,then air your grievances in a civilized manner.

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karneli lll
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 9:39:35 AM
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alot of 360 people around eh!

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Orvisman
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:25:30 AM
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Ben,

It has been the same as it always has and as it will always be.

In every gen the fanboys who own only one console attack the owners of the consoles they don't own and probably can't afford (because if they could they would if they were a true gamer). So, when faced with the fear they might have made a mistake with thier purchase, especially if the other console is the market leader or looks to be gathering momentum, they attack the other console, sometimes twisting the facts or outright manufacturing untruths. Therefore, they can be at peace with thier purchase, clinging to the hope thier console of choice remains relevant.

This is how it has always been and how it will always remain -- from the 2600/Intellvision. NES/Master System, SNES/Genesis, PSX/N64/Saturn, PS2/DC/Xbox, and PS3/360/Wii -- so sayeth the gods of fanboyism.



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DIsmael85
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:41:26 AM

I agree with this, if you are an owner of a 360 that is, because the common excuse I hear at work is it's just to expensive. I could afford a Wii and a 360, I just "choose" not to. This stuff will never end. We need to competition, just I wish MS would lay off using their deep pockets.

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Orvisman
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 2:12:36 PM

@ffgamera,

No, it has happened in every gen that I can remember. Maybe you're just too young to remember, but the SNES/Genesis, PSX/Saturn, PS2/Dreamcast/Xbox gens had their fair share of flame wars. Granted, these wars have become worse. (see my post below)

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Jed
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:45:34 AM
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I remember when I had a sega genesis and my best friend had as SNES. we didnt argue about how one was better, or had better games, every time I went to his house, I wished I had an SNES of my own.

It does really seem like the ps3 fans are on the defensive, but that is just an opinion. With the prices of consoles being so high these days, maybe some people argue because they need to convince themselves that their system is worth it.

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DIsmael85
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 12:54:41 PM

well it can go both ways. Like someone stated on another board, you pay for what you get. You pay cheaply you get cheaper crap. The more you pay the more you will get out of it. Having Wi-Fi built into my console is a plus and I would have to kick myself to spend 99.99 for an adapter that even the DS has built into it. I look at it this way, I paid for my, sure it was 650 bucks when it came out, but I never had to spend another dime for internet play or add-ons. I use the extra 99.99 and bought me a few games. This can go in circles all day long, but in the long run I have spent more on "Games" than I have had to on getting another controller.

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Crono
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 1:31:56 PM

In the Megadrive/SNES era it was more indifference for me than want, since I only had the former and so did everyone around me; animosity didn't enter my thoughts, but of course I was still a kid then. However the first fanboy I encountered (Nintendo) definitely did hate on what he couldn't afford (PSX) and I'm sure there was a lot of animosity towards Sony from the Nintendo camp of older gamers as well (though likely Final Fantasy related). I bought a PS3 at £299.99 and of course I will argue against someone who says my purchase wasn't worth it. I can afford the Wii, but I still feel it's not worth £179.99, and I'd simply rather spend that money elsewhere. @ Orvisman - I don't think that means I'm not 'a true gamer ™'.

Of course 'worth' is subjective, but I'd argue not purely. In an objective sense, the PS3 is a steal for the kit you're getting; and when it gets it's price cut it will be even more apparent.

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Orvisman
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 2:33:17 PM

@Crono,

You’re telling me true gamers don't want to play all the great games on ALL systems, especially if they have the money to do so? Do not true gamers want to play The Fables or Gears of Wars or Zeldas or Marios or Metal Gear Solids or Sonics (when Sega made its own console) or Resistances or Gran Turismos or Little Big Planets, basically all the great games you can only play on specific consoles?

I'm not saying if you don't play them because you can't afford them (but you want to play them), you're not a true gamer. I'm saying those fanboys who claim the PS3 or 360 or Wii doesn't have ANY games that interest them are not true gamers. A real gamer will FIND a way to play the games they want to play, even if it is at a friends house.

Look, the litmus test is when those 360 fanboys or PS3 fanboys state over and over again that they have no interest in X game on the PS3 or Y game on the 360 when it looks like it will never appear on their console but the second it is announced they crow that the other system has lost another exclusive and how much they are (suddenly) looking forward to playing it now.

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Crono
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 5:59:58 PM

Well, like I said I can afford a Wii but I don't have a great desire to play Zelda or Mario.. are you actually saying if I'm not a fan of those games, I'm not a true gamer? Because I'm not really a big fan of those Nintendo franchises, maybe it's something to do with being a SEGA kid.. A lot of my favourite N64 games aren't the same type that have garnered acclaim on the Wii. Don't get me wrong I would play some of the games if they were put in front of me (Galaxy, for one) but I don't value that desire at £180 plus £30 for the game.

There are certain games on the Xbox that I want to play, but again I don't value it at the price I'll have to pay for it.. I'll try and play them e.g. if I can get those games on the PC (which is often the case) then I'm sorted. People might have strong brand loyalty, which wouldn't stop them wanting other games but they might not actually support another brand with their cash.

I'll be honest, I don't like Microsoft as a company (for common reasons) or the Nintendo Wii as a product. It's a hustle from my perspective, and imo only a very clever marketing department has emptied out the contents of many wallets. I don't have that level of brand loyalty to Sony though, putting it this way - if the Xbox and the PS3 swapped features; I'd have an Xbox now - and I'm of course willing to buy a Nintendo system that I think is GOOD for gaming.



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serotoninzero
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 12:33:16 PM
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I get the newsletter in my inbox, and that's why I'm here, but I don't own a PS3. I own a 360 and a Wii currently, and I enjoy both of them a lot. I still want a PS3. I hope to get one soon. I think the reason people are fanboys is simply just because that's what they bought into, so they have to support it to make themselves feel good about their choice. I'm a photographer too with a Canon camera, and you wouldn't believe the s*** I hear about how Canon sucks and Nikon is better. They are on the same level, providing different results in different places. Xbox 360 has a lot of things I want and enjoy. But Playstation 3 does too. There are plenty of games on Playstation 3 I want to play that aren't available on my Xbox, and there are plenty of games I want to play on Xbox that aren't available on PS3. Neither is better, they are just different. True gamers should know that no matter what console it is on, a good game is a good game. There are plenty of games out there on old consoles from well over ten years ago that are a lot better than some games coming out today.

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orangpelupa
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 1:32:34 PM
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@jed
i agree with you.

i remember when i have ps1, and my cousine have ps2. i play there and always wanted to have one.

then i save money, and eventually i can buy PS2.

the same with ps3, everytime i see MGS4 wallpaper, watch the cutscenes (i have watched it many times but i still watch it again and again),
i want to have ps3.

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DickyDick1969
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 1:47:40 PM
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Sorry I'm getting a little bit tired of the excuse of having to own every console to be a "true gamer". No I just want ONE console to play games on. And the deep pockets of MS with the included third party support they buy, prevent that!

Why not let the gamer decide for themselves which console to buy, in stead of stealing games from the competition just to create an artificial "exclusivity".

And all the reasons about the PS3 is difficult or whatever to program for... MSG4 proofed them all wrong! Do you really think something
like a different memory management is going to hold up a professional development studio?

And another thing, MS started *themselves* with the constant smearing and dirty tactics, a sound the so-called "unbiased" press is still very eager to pick up.



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BigBoss4ever
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 2:04:03 PM
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I own both consoles, I bought 360 mainly for its exclusives (lost odyssey, blue dragon, DOA4, etc) and with the xbox basic console only 199 each, i guess all the ps3 owners can buy one and then enjoy the great 360 exclusives, the console wars will naturally end that way. Both are great consoles, and more importantly, it is the game that gamers should focus on, not the machine. As long as good games are being developed, gamers should have no complain. Such is my opinion.

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Xplicit
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 2:08:22 PM
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I my self own both consoles, so i know what im talking about unlike the people who just own one of them and sticks to it eg.fanboys. i think both consoles are great and have different advantages over each over i am no FB but i will say that if a game comes out on both consoles i prefer to buy the PS3 version. it all comes down to personal preference, and MY favourite is the PS3.

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karneli lll
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 2:17:37 PM
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sorry BigBoss4ever but i dont see the console wars ending by ps3 owners buying a 360! that statement is lie n makes u look like a 360 salesman. u have 2+ consoles,gud 4 u,jus dont assume that every ps3 owner wants a 360; i dont n im sure im not alone

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Tatsujin
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 2:31:37 PM
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I seeeee most of you just wan't the console war to just end...

Well, it will never happen...

Back then, with the first consoles, no body really cared so much about games... they were just a minor form of entertainment... but now, games probably took the top seat for entertainment... Just like.. oh, idk.. Football

Football has so many teams, and SO many people hate one another because of which team they favour... The console war is just like that, and it wont ever end...

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Jed
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 4:06:16 PM

well said

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 2:55:24 PM
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*sigh* Friends, enemies, and frenemies, the wars will rage on and in the end it is probably better that way. Non-trollers here know me by now, and it is just so difficult to respect M$ when they insult the entire gaming community with their "business" tactics. Stealing exclusives, forcing multi-plat, bribery, rushing games out the door, rampant false advertising, THATS what drains some fun out of gaming. I wish I could rise above it all like some of you but I take a personal interest in my hobbies, for instance as a Minnesotan Writer, I refuse to watch that movie "Juno" because it was written by a cliche writer around here of the sort that I hate: the kind who takes their laptop to Starbucks and sits there all damn day so people can "watch" them write. It nauseates me to no end, it is the same with M$. I'm not jealous that they pulled ahead of Sony this gen, I'm upset about the way they did it, crushing people and gimping games and companies in the process. It infects people like a virus. So, yeah, I wan't Sony to win, if for no other reason that to show them that you can't just barge into our favorite hobby, throw money around, kick us in the ass with lies and marketing, and still "win." Many of you say you haven't yet seen the next-gen games you expected, well take a minute and ask yourselves just who is gimping the industry.

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DickyDick1969
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 3:04:34 PM

I couldn't agree more!

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AceTatsujin
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 3:18:30 PM
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@ FLYING
PS3 Exclusives will deliver. Sony is correcting everything that went wrong and they already started to walk.

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Aside from this, one of the managers in GameStop actually saw some scripts and other footage of God of War III and he said "It's going to be really good, very huge, and it will be a major hit" and noted "Sony is keeping everything in silence for now." Is what he said. So just felt like sharing it with you guys. I'm pretty damn excited about GoW III now ~

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BeezleDrop
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 3:26:28 PM
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The 360 has -some- great games but I had a playstation when the ps1 came out and I will always have a playstaion. I trust sony much more than microsoft that isn't that experienced. If sony really didn't know what they were doing then how have they been around for 10 years? I can't say who is going to win the "console wars" but I can say Sony has some pretty impressive exclusive AAA titles.

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www
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 3:28:16 PM
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Ben puts out a controversial editorial n wat happens?...Comments get to 60 n beyond n all sorts of new names n avatars appear all of a sudden,it's strange they don't appear on any regular editorial but the controversial ones,cha,tsk!

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QuasarSquirrel
Monday, October 13, 2008 @ 12:32:23 AM

It made it as one of the top news stories on Google New's sci/tech section. I'm guessing that's where a lot of the one post wonders have come from.

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Wage SLAVES
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 3:38:47 PM
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Ya know. I took a long hard look at the gaming market before I decided to commit to a console. 360 was out for over a year and Halo3 made it tempting but I had just bought my 40'' LCD and was tight on $. So I needed what I genuinely thought was the BEST. I loved halo and halo2. But in the end my value was always going to be realized through the ps3.

I planned on getting a 360 for games I missed and wanted. I have no reason cuz the only game I yearned for that wasnt on ps3 was Bioshock. Well there goes that reason. I liked fable and have played Gears and really dont feel like Ill miss anything important. So 360 is becoming my "get a round to it'' console. The line up for ps3 is just too relentless.

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Jed
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 4:09:44 PM

man, i'm the same way

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DickyDick1969
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 3:59:13 PM
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Glad to see that the true spirit of the fanboy still runs high in the Sony camp!

loyalty, honor, and respect for craftmanship!

PS: psxextreme.. great editorial!

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Unrealevil
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 4:50:45 PM
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I have a 360. I've had no problems, it's been more reliable than my computer and Live is good enough that I don't mind paying $4 per month for it. I bought a 360 because it has a lot of games I want and the other systems have, at the most, a few games that look somewhat interesting to me (with the exception of BoomBlox--but hey, my friend has that).

I have Vista as well but I am definitely not committed to Microsoft because I wouldn't be committed to any giant corporation. I just like video games and with Macs... there simply aren't any (along with a whole slew of other problems). I feel the same way about the PS3. The few games that looked amazing enough to buy the system for got negative to mediocre reviews and that makes me wary about all the new games you mention in this article. Killzone 2? The last time that game was hyped up, it turned out to be god-awful (PSXExtreme's review being one of the lowest scores). Honestly, who the hell asked for a sequel? Maybe it was the shills who gave it good reviews. We should get all those bastards together and kill them--could call it Shillzone.

...Okay, with the exception of that one, there are enough new games that some are bound to be great. But that's this upcoming year, it's not now. I would rather wait and see how they get reviewed before spending all this money on another system. Because for me to get a PS3 now... well, that's either one expensive disc player (and I don't even watch DVDs) or I'm just paying to have it first. I mean, it's a good system hardware-wise and blu-ray is more important than just movies, but that doesn't mean that I have the money to buy something neat just to have it first, as much as I would truly and honestly like to. I never buy things when they first come out (made an exception for Force Unleashed) and I certainly do not pre-order or buy the platform in advance of the games I want. It's just safe spending.

I don't have an inherent problem with Macs and PS3s or Apple and Sony. It just does not seem like something that makes sense to get at the moment--but I assure you, when the time comes that I'm more interested in PS3 games and Macs are outselling PCs, I'll jump on board.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 6:10:41 PM

You don't want to buy something to have it first? It's two years old guy.

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aaronisbla
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 6:13:20 PM

Oh yay! Another "killzone 1 sucked so killzone 2 shouldn't be made cuz it will suck also" argument... i tell ya, it gets old very fast. With that logic, i guess Cod4 shouldn't have been made cuz CoD3 sucked, and Devil May Cry 3 shouldn't have been made cuz DMC2 was a horrid piece of trash

Yeah, we all have our own opinions but it sounds like you are basing yours off of others opinion about the game. Id be willing to bet you never played it, at least judging by your words and reliance on reviews. To each his own i guess. it also should be noted that guerilla NEVER hyped the first game up to be a halo killer, you can blame the media and some gamers for that one

Also, since you chimed in about your reliable 360 just remember, yours being reliable doesn't negate the fact that at its launch, it was one of the most faulty prone systems to launch. Hell, mine hasn't broken down yet but it doesn't negate the countless others who have been through one or more systems. Facts are Facts, its a great system though

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King James
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 6:14:00 PM

@unreal

Guy, u kinda sound like a hater w/ the Killzone2 lines. But anyways, my advice to u is to:
1) Find some1 with a PS3 and play their's (so u can see for yourself the value of PS3). 4 of my friends were "sold" on the PS3 buy just watching me play mine or joining me in playing. Nowadays, u shouldn't rely on reviews to make a decision. Most reviewers are too bias. Example, Warhawk is one of the funnest multi-player games I've ever played. but all the reviews will tell u its average or good (that 7-8 range). Not to mention the one of the most underrated FPS, Resistance.

OR
2) Stick with ur 360 and not worry about it. M$ is sure to continue to throw that $$$$ around to keep its fans satisfied. The PS3 line-up and system is strong now and getting exponentially stronger week after week. If u can't make a decision by now, than I think its too late to be sold on the PS3. If this was last year, I could understand any buyer hesitation but not anymore though.

So try those two options (hopefully the 1st one) , so u can be content with this next-gen console thing.

P.S. - LittleBigPlanet is one of the best games I've played in years. I advise anyone with a PS3 and online capablity to get it. U will NOT be disappointed.

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Unrealevil
Friday, October 24, 2008 @ 4:22:32 PM

@WorldEndsWithMe
It may be two years old, but its usefulness is still in the future for me.

@aaronisbla
-I never said they shouldn't make Killzone 2. My problem is listing it with all the other PS3 exclusives and hyping it up again because Killzone was really, really bad. I may read reviews because I don't have the time or money to try everything, but I own Killzone. I speak from experience, not from a PSXextreme review.
-Both Call of Duty 3 and Devil May Cry 2 are good games. You could have used better examples there.
-The reliability of my console does not negate the problems that other people have had but when you blame the media for hyping up Killzone, you can blame the media for blowing this up as well. Just because you hear about it a lot on the internet does not mean that most people have that problem.

@King James
Oh you're right. I am a hater -- of Killzone. I hate it. A lot.

I didn't say I need to choose anymore. I said I might buy a PS3 depending on how good the upcoming games are. LittleBigPlanet looks cool, and I would have to say that that 7-8 range is more than "average".

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Zaben
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 5:43:02 PM
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So many comments... It would have been tomorrow if I took the time to read them all.
Anyway, my opinion is that the PS3 is better than the 360. Free online play, reliability, not Microsoft, exclusives, OVER-ALL cheaper, Blu-ray, and the fact that I have a history with SONY consoles.

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aaronisbla
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 6:18:21 PM

careful, by stating that you might be labeled as a fanboy by some of the newcomers!!!!

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Douchebaguette
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 6:18:08 PM
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Thats pretty much spot on. I've learnt alot from this editorial.

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King James
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 6:44:37 PM
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This "console-war" is funny to me. I got a funny story to go with it. I didn't notice this Sony/M$ war until one day while playing Halo 1 (yes, Halo 1) with a good friend of mine. I asked if we could take a break so I could find some1 else in the dorm that had the smaller XBox controller. That big controller was irritating me. Now, I don't no if it was b/c my friend knew that if I got the smaller controller I would start to pwn him b/c with were kinda stalemated. Or if he just had a bad day. But the fool told me to stop crying, that Xbox controller is 4 man hands not lil B's hands. And that I should go back to my PS2 and play MGS3 or sum'en. I was shocked. I was like, "Where the hell did that come from?" Anyways, I told him to shut up, got a small controller, and pwned him and everybody who was playing that day. The point is...

Prior to that, I didn't notice the fanboyism. Fast forward 4 years and it's worse today. A friend of mine bought his PS3 at Best Buy last week and I came with him to help him pick some starter games (MGS4, CoD4, GTA4, u know the basics that u can't download). A random guy saw the PS3 in his hands and asked him, "So, what do u play on that thing besides MGS4?" WTF made him say that? And in the checkout line, another guy (w/ a Fable 2 pre-order in his hands) said to him, "Looks like u buying the wrong system there buddy. U just must be trying to watch Blu-Ray movies?" WTF, guy?!

If i see any1 buying an Xbox360, I don't stare at it and then try to discourage their purchase. And I AM a sony fan. It just amazes me how much of an impact M$ has had on the American gamer's personality in such a short period of time.

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Aftab
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 7:47:40 PM

I agree, that's part of American culture, but it happens else where, too. Riots happen here, at baseball games. And in Europe, they happen over futbal.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 7:50:58 PM

Gave u a thumbs up friend, good story, and another clear example of how M$ has infected otherwise clear-headed and lucid people with its false rhetoric. If anyone needs another example, open a browser, surf on into a 360 fan sites, and then come report back here. What you'll find is tons of immature ranting and baseless nonsense like "PS3 sucks, it has no games." It's like its ok guys, this thing is packing some serious heat. The argument that it's a movie player first and a game player second is just nonsense, the PS2 wasnt a dvd player first. But in all seriousness, go check it out people, ALL they do is bash us and come up with asinine comments on why they are better. There is NO intelligent discussion at all.

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www
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 8:34:35 PM

@Aftab,u rite,comparisons will go on n on n it's evrywhere all over the world
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@King James we have a lotta fanboys in Africa too,most are broke n don't wanna make the wrong purchase.A friend wanted me to feel bad bout ma ps3 at first n came to me with some innocent face tryna say sumn like "I heard 360 has beta graphics than ps3".

U know wat is b/c of people like this, i bought a 360 later so they can stfu the next time they visit,i mean wat's more to say when i got the 2 systems right infront of ya eyes.

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Jason Lee
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 8:13:54 PM
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World, thank you for validating my view of tribal psychology of picking sides. I knew someone would fall for it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 9:17:58 PM

Enjoy your reprieve buddy boy, you'll be banned again soon.

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SuperSparky
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 8:14:52 PM
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This "mine is better than yours" has been going on for decades. First it was with computers (PC, Atari, Amiga, Mac, etc.) then it started with consoles (Atari, Sega, Nintendo, NeoGeo, etc.). It's an old song.

I happen to own both a PS3 and a 360. I happen to like them both. Each is different and unique. Both have fun games and exclusives to offer. I have likes and dislikes for both as well:

The 360's controller's sticks are better than the PS3's and only because the sticks have concave heads. My fingers or thumbs never slip off the 360's sticks during intense game play. The PS3's controller's sticks are convex and my thumbs slip off all of the time, and usually during an important boss battle.

The PS3 can switch hard drives to those of my own choice and price versus the 360's proprietary, under sized, and over priced crap MS sells for them.

My PS3 is HDMI and has true 1080p capability. My 360 is only 1080i at its best (no HDMI either), and there isn't a 360 game exploiting 1080i either. The PS3 has 1080p games. Yes, I know about the extreme version, but it still can't do 1080p, except for movies.

Most games that are made for all consoles will only look as good as the weakest console can make and no more (cough *BioShock* cough).

So it will be a rare case to find PS3 only games exploiting the hardware to its maximum as it has a lot more to give. The 360 has about reached its horsepower limit with the current generations of games.

Don't get me wrong, I do like both platforms and play them both equally as long, but I think the future (if consoles are to survive) is hardware like the PS3.

You'll find, within the next five to ten years, real-time ray tracing start to take hold. First only in key parts of the frame mixed with conventional rendering, but eventually all ray traced as technology advances. The multi-processor and parallel design of the PS3 is far ahead in that race than the 360.

The difference between ray tracing and raster rendering will be as different between the software rendering of Doom versus the hardware raster rendering of games like MGS4. Even a suped-up 360 could never dream of doing hardware ray tracing. A PS3, can, just barely, but can. Imagine what a PS4 could do (if Sony ever makes one).

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Qubex
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 1:15:06 AM

I disagree with you, I do believe that when developers really know how to exploit the PS3 hardware, we will see games that will look better on the PS3 than on the 360. It is just a matter of time, PS1 and PS2 proved that games on those systems improved remarkably over time, I believe this will happen on the PS3!

Q!

"aLL RoAds LeAd ToO hOMe"

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B_RAN_DO
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 10:11:51 PM
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I have been labeled a PS fanboy more times than I care to remember but almost everytime that has happened it was because there was an xbox fanatic that was trashing the ps3 in one way or ten and I come to the defense of the Playstation. Personally I have nothing against the xbox or the people who play it and they do have a few exclusive games that look pretty cool; I just don't like the controller layout or the fact that you have to pay extra for things that should come standard. I did blow up an xbox in the LittleBigPlanet beta but that was just me playing around with the game, and since it is a PS3 exclusive I thought people would find it funny. People have freedom of choice and thats whats great about it, you don't have to settle for one thing if you don't want to and if there was no competition the selection that we would have would be trash. If there is only one type of anything (vehicles, game consoles, tvs, etc.) there would be no reason to make anything more than the bear minimum to sell the product. You would either take it or leave it. A prime example of that is EA's Madden franchise; they bought the rights to the NFL and if you want to play a licensed NFL game, you have to buy Madden; and I recall a few years back, one of the best new features on the Madden game was a create a fan mode. Back to the subject, whichever side of the fence you are on, or in the middle, its ok not to like one or the other, just don't lie about or trash the system with crap that is irrelevant or just wrong. I say live and let live.

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Edge of Blade
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 10:19:39 PM
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As a former 360 fanboy, I have to totally agree. I use both systems fairly equally and I'm a better gamer for it.

I just can't stand the barbs that get traded back and forth. The 360 red rings. PS3 is expensive. You pay for Xbox Live. Home is forever coming.

I just wish people would get along and play the games they like.

That being said, not a lot of people realize this yet, but Microsoft's Community Games program is going to be huge when they roll out the new dashboard in November. On the other hand, I see Home being a huge flop unfortunately. I am in the beta for both services, and CG is going to be a standout hit of the same order as achievements/trophies. Home will be quickly forgotten.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 10:31:18 PM
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Finally figured out where all the newbs are from, looks like N4G picked up Ben's article. Unfortunately most aren't familiar with him so they completely misunderstood his position and point. I seriously doubt he cares though, even if he has to weed through the imbeciles it still means more visits for PSXextreme. I'll be around a long time to see who sticks and who stinks.

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missdelirium
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 10:51:24 PM

you have issues.

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FLYING_APE
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 5:20:37 AM

im a newb ive been going here for a few months, i just got a ps3 a week ago. but this ben guy is a loser he deleted my post. It said in a nutshell stop writing about fanbitches lol. This ben dutka guy is a good journo, yes better then psu but he shouldn't of deleted my post. He knows it. ZAP!

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Alienange
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 4:52:47 PM

@missdelirium - This guy is solid. Your sanity on the other hand is up in question. If you don't like this site then why are you still here?

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Deleted User
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 10:32:39 PM
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everyone knows that live is way ahead of the psn. even ps3 fanboys realize that. but ben i see you never mention about the new update coming this fall to xbox live. you know the one that includes the netflix partnership....

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King James
Tuesday, October 14, 2008 @ 12:54:20 AM

y would he? IT'S A PLAYSTATION FORUM!

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Wage SLAVES
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:05:48 PM
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Man this article is advising against fanboyism and suddenly 360 fanboys start to rear their heads. Ya know I really cant stand this. We cant even have slight opinions without someone getting all defensive. Not only opinions but facts. Sad.

Well Ben this site used to be civil...its not your fault. Dont let this change your subjects or your style. In a world where we are constantly losing rights dont dare let anyone stifle your freedom of speech...especially on your own kickass site!!!!

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LightShow
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:12:37 PM
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i'm still not certain of the criteria that the gaming community uses to judge the different networks. Is it reliability? Speed? DLC? Community?

I have no firsthand experience, but from all the reports i've heard, the PSN is more reliable, and the DLC, like add-ons and games, seems more vibrant, and varied. Having full length games available as well as small casual games attests to that.

As far as Speed goes, I will defer to others. I personally dont get a very good download speed from Sony, but as long as i dont have a DL going, my online play is fantastic. It might just be issues with my Bandwidth.

Community seems to have been give to XBL, but i suspect that this has to do with the large install base for the 360.

Did I miss any?

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Jed
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 4:25:57 PM

sounds right. There is a big install base, but one of the only other big differences i can think of is that everything costs money on live. first you pay to get live, if you want a cool picture pack, you pay for it. If you want a dashboard theme that isnt an ad, you pay for it, you just get nickled and dimed up the ass.

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Doomsquirrel
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:14:05 PM
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DAMN STRAIGHT

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Jason Lee
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:33:34 PM
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Light, thanks for proving (and regurgitating) my point.

And Aft, when I say conservative/fundamentalist/gaming partisanship I'm referring to people who jingoistically support one system over another.

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LightShow
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:38:19 PM

*EDIT*

sorry, its late and i'm a little grumpy.

while the theories are fundamentally the same, i compacted it all and left out the evolution, instead crediting consumerism and the economy.

so, more like reprocessed than regurgitated

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LightShow
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:36:45 PM
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@ Ben

Fascinating.

You write an article about how all the animosity in the industry is unneeded, and it sparks a firefight.

there's a whole bunch of stuff not even mentioned in the article coming out here!

People must have a need to let this stuff out. its like an anger management support group here.

"YOUR A MORON FOR NOT USING MY SYSTEM!"

or

"YOUR ARTICLE DOESN'T EXPLICITLY SUPPORT MY SYSTEM! YOU AND THIS SITE SUCK!"

That seems to be what it all boils down to ben. there are most likely two sources to that statement, and you prob came the closest i've seen to nailing them.

feel free to quote me ^_^

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Jason Lee
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:44:15 PM
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Hm, sorry, Light, but your assumption that I, somehow, feel superior to you or anyone else is wrong.

Obviously, it's never my intent to be fervently accusatory, but when you start off by saying "didn't you get your ass banned," it doesn't exactly lend to civil discourse, you know?

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LightShow
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 8:20:26 AM

i edited my latest comment, with an apology, stating it was late and I was a little grumpy. you didnt catch that?

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Wage SLAVES
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:45:09 PM
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Just got done reading all responses on this article. Im a new member here at Psx, but have been coming here for a year or so...Its just that Ben has so many great articles that I need post to thank him for. He makes gaming somehow even more fun!

That is why Im taking this personally. All these newcomers are calling him out when they dont know an ounce of what Ben is about. He is FAIR and has several times commended the 360 for, but not limited to, its affluent supply of RPGs(compared to the ps3). These people dont understand gold when they stumble across it. And this site is GOLD.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:50:01 PM
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And don't you forget it Missdelirium ;)

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Jason Lee
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 11:56:55 PM
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Light, yes, you interestingly took a more consumerist angle, which I find utterly fascinating and specifically valid.

Coincidentally, my colleagues and I are discussing the similarities between evolution and the market economy, and how they both have a bottom-up design.

Also, it's been postulated (and I do believe it's true) that our market economy is largely based on our evolutionary traits and morals, for good or worse.

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DIsmael85
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 1:26:42 AM

A theory my friend, which can have lots of loops holes. I see some of your points, but the plain and simple fact is that people are just moronic, rational thinking goes out the window, Tribal or not, doesn't matter, it's a product of our history for the American society. I blame patriotism for the fact that you have a lot of people bashing the PS3. If it's not American it's trash. I live in this country, and this is the feeling I get.

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karneli lll
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 1:12:38 AM
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Im curious,why the name 360? like moving around in circles? someone care to shed some light for me please?

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Alexander Morou
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 2:04:08 AM

It's probably to connect with Microsoft's realization of things finally coming full circle with their first attempt. They tried once, and learned a lot, falling on their face a few times. They improved pretty much every aspect of the system, reinventing themselves (reinventing the wheel?)

There's many ways you can take it, but it really just means that they started anew on the project. There's really no comparison between the XBox 360 and the original XBox.

From the start they realized that they needed to make certain games backwards compatible, but they didn't stress it to the level that Playstation 3 did. The reason a majority of PS3's early functionality was removed was probably the reason XBox 360 didn't do the same thing: it was too expensive, and they were already losing money on the product.

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LightShow
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 8:23:56 AM

i think most of it has to do with them wanting to capture the whole audience. if your at the center of a circle, to see everybody around you you rotate 360 degrees.

while it is a stretch, the marketing guys prob had a ton of ideas, and the name 360 was the catchiest.

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AceTatsujin
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 3:05:18 AM
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Because MS goes all over the place and spits on Sony, on Blu-ray and on the PS3 and they "think" they're able to do everything within time and "predict" they will beat PS3 this generation and what more? They recently dissed Blu-ray claiming "a format that will eventually, and gradually, decline and perish".

DVD's starting history please? Can we get some tastements? New technology disappearing with HD running over? Here's a question. Would you rather purchase something online through your machine and download it (and you MIGHT get DRM on it to download it like only 5 times ONLY or something) or would you rather OWN the copy in your hands, have the ACTUAL hardware with the case and book? I prefer to own it. Specially when it is in 1080p rather than the 720p download movies I'm hearing about. 1080 is a big damn difference. There's a different in the 1377 x 720 (or 1280 x 720?) and 1900 x 1080 resolutions. And some news for you, Blu-ray is actually, and currently, doing rather very well in terms of sales. By 2009 with the US law to have an HD TV in most houses (people already started to buy it) most will drift to Blu-ray and eventually it will take over DVD.

Gah, technology is what drives us. MS tries hard, very hard ... let them keep trying. I want them to fail miserably. Yes, I do hate MS because they screwed up many things and talk so much trash, I want them to eat their own trash when the facts get listed on pages. I have no hate towards the 360. I respect the system and its games, and we expect the same from 360 fans rather than listening to MS, claiming "this" and "that" and whinning about how great their system is and "360 system > ps3 system" bullshit thoughts and utter failure facts.

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aaronisbla
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 7:01:39 AM

i have to know what MS did to you to make you hate them soooo much....

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LightShow
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 8:36:23 AM

ace, i say this as a comrade.

when all people ever see is anti-m$ tirades from you, they tend to skip by whatever you say.

If you were anti-sony, and you blasted half as hard as you blast m$, you'd be banned.

all i'm saying is, tone it down a couple of notches, and throw in something that sounds deep every once in a while. trust me, it works ^_^

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Alienange
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 4:38:14 PM

Ace is my kinda guy.

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orangpelupa
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 4:41:56 AM
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@ace
there plenty 1920x1080p videos on the internet.
and its also smaller than bluray disc.

like .hack//G.U. Trilogy 3D CG Anime, in 1920x1080p fit perfectly on ONE DVD-5 (4GigaBytes).

the only reason why many internet users choose to download 720p is because the filesize and quality difference.
its a lot smaller, and the quality difference is minimal.

offcourse the bigger your display resolution, you will need bigger video.

but most of us only have 1280x720, 1440x900 and 1920x1080 display.
and 720p upscaled to 1080p is already good.

unless you want a razor sharp detail, can see every single "dust" recorded, 720p already good for many people.

remember MGS4?
MGS4 is only in 1024x768 (2xAA, temporal), and its damn good.

thats why lots of ps3 games also created in 720p. most people just cant see the difference between 720p and 1080p.

720p VS 1080p s like 30fps Vs 60fps. most wont be able to tell the diference

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but im sure, av enthusiast, and PC Gamer able to see the difference between 1080p and 720p :)

@ace
and you really an MS hater :)

both x360 and ps3 have their own downside.

if you want better graphic, superior hardware, and have a lot of money, just buy big LCD monitor, and fast vga card on PC.

then play CoD4 or CRYSIS all maxed out.


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SerendipityDeus
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 8:19:50 AM
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My god, I just finished reading ovr 120+ comments, I have no life! LOL but seriously, to many xbox fanboys get worked up about one article, live and let live, ben nevr meant to insult u, so reason to come here and begin to bash hime with useless nonsense

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DickyDick1969
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 8:21:22 AM
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Pff. What about all the political correctness BS here. If being a fanboy is some kind of evil and everybody should be mature and own both consoles. Did we forget why we are so pissed of at MS?

Reason 1: They don't play fair. Never did in the past, see the numerous "dirty wars", never will do in the future.

Reason 2: They want to transform everything in to 'business'. No inovation, just always the same "We came, we saw, and we rule with the big dollars." Name one thing MS invented for themselves..

Reason 3: They overprice some other service, to take-over the market on another, the whole first generation of XBOX'es were funded with the M$ Office CashCow. Just wait and see what happens with the prices when they have the game market.

So you can see it is not so difficult to become a fanboy with MS around ;-)

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LightShow
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 8:27:39 AM

as far as microsoft not playing fair, alls fair in love and war ^_^

while there IS a war between Microsoft and Sony, we dont necessarily need to act like their foot soldiers all the time. This war is over money, and what we love is games.

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SerendipityDeus
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 8:22:07 AM
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Couldn't edit, I meant, there's no reason to come and bash ben with useless nonsense

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DickyDick1969
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 9:39:18 AM
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@ligthshow,

hehe at least one admits MS isn't playing fair !!


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Kalel243
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 12:17:02 PM
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I think the issue with both sides, whether people will admit it or not, is they are afraid of developers either slowing down or stopping software development for their system of choice.

As we have seen from years and systems gone by, developers tend to make hard choices regarding the system that will get their game into the most hands. In the fans eyes, which may not be far off from the truth, if a developer feels a system is losing ground or waning in support, many times they will cease or cut back development of games for that system in question. This leaves fans to start these annoying flame wars with "other fellow gamers" in support of their system of choice.

For one reason or another fans will justify why their system is currently or will be the King of the Hill in order to, in some way I have not yet figured out, raise support and make the masses aware of their position. The internet has made petitioning and making voices heard much more accessible than writing thousands of letter of support. The key here is...Developers DO often listen, read and watch fan posts. The knowledge of this just helps fuel the fire.

C'mon guys, the bottom line is if you play games you win. No matter which company is ahead in console sales. I have all 3 systems (360, PS3 and Wii) and I like them all equally. I cannot say which one I would give up if I had to. That would be a very hard choice indeed. I am VERY glad I don't have to make that choice.

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SadSadSamus
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 12:23:10 PM
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True fanboys are, generally, broke zealots.
The rest are spoilt, angry, technophiles.

I have an Xbox and I am happy with it.
I like the controller
I like the lineup (many are multi-plat; but then there's Conviction and Dead Island.)

I would like a Ps3 for it's exclusives (Medievil 3, God willing.)
and it's abundance of cool s***.

Theres no need to d*** around hating another system. I mean, really, people spend time comeing up with ridiculous reasons to "hate" a piece of metal, silicon, and plastic.
Or is it the corprations? Two massive organizations that both want your money real bad.
They both work on numbers.


I don't know about you but I just want to play a friggin videogame

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Orvisman
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 2:12:58 PM
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No, it has happened in every gen that I can remember. Maybe you're just too young to remember, but the SNES/Genesis, PSX/Saturn, PS2/Dreamcast/Xbox gens had their fair share of flame wars. Granted, these wars have become worse.

The PS2/Dreamcast wars were pretty bad, especially with the Segaholics (tm) igniting flame wars on every board I visited. They clearly trolled the PS2 boards just to put down the PS2 whenever they could. On the other hand, while I was on the DC boards, I had to provide a voice of reason; but I never saw that many PS2 fans posting inflammatory remarks.

Granted, this current gen may be just as bad, especially with the rampant lies and exaggerations purported by the Xbot fanboys, who may be, by and large, as bad, if not worse, as their Segaholic (tm) brethren.

Basically, I believe these wars have become worse over time just because the Internet has made it so much easier to meet up with like-minded folks. Back when many of us were younger we might not have encountered much rampant fanboyism hostility because we were among friends; but the Internet makes everyone anonymous and faceless. Therefore it is much, much easier for the fanboys to cast epithets and hurl insults without getting socked in the puss. ;)

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Orvisman
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 2:33:35 PM
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At all the fanboys and Ben haters who signed up here just to gripe about PSXExtreme and Ben... well... Ben and PSXExtreme thank you because you just gave them both a ton of hits, allowing them to charge more for their banner ads and put more coin in their pockets. Seriously, if you disagreed with something, you should just avoid registering and commenting because you are playing right into the sites hands and making them money. The best way to express your disapproval, be it with this site or with SquareEnix or whomever/whatever, is with the wallet, as in not putting anything in theirs.

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SerendipityDeus
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 2:39:40 PM
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Nicely said Orvisman lol

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Vivi_Gamer
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 2:43:52 PM
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Meh most gamers today are assholes, sorry but its the truth, I swear every online match i go into everybody's justs shouting "NOOOOOB" or "YOU CAN'T USE THAT WEAPON ITS CHEATING!" Its f***ing pathetic!

As for the X360/PS3 matter, I personally like the PS3 better, Because i like the game selection better, XMB gives the console an easy layout, Web Browser (I have no PC), DVD/Blu-Ray, Music & Photo Services, Its compatible with my camera, phone, MP3 player,PSP,it has memory stick readers & PS1/2 compatibility. The PS3 for me is all my digital entertainment roled into one. I have no problem with the XB360 but it lacks the features & my preffered gaming selection, So the thats why the PS3 comes out ontop.

As for the Wii, i'll be flat out honest i dont like it there arent really any games that look worthy to buy a Wii.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 2:56:26 PM
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This is all pretty amusing actually, Ben goes out of town for a couple of days and the site gets infested and out of control. Look at all these friggin posts! At least the advertisers (M$, how ironic) will be happy with the site traffic. ... Easy come, easy go.

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FLYING_APE
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 3:03:10 PM

you look like a psycho who plays too much friggin violent games. with your pic and name LOL LOL

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LightShow
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 5:48:37 PM

*raises eyebrow*

left field...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, October 15, 2008 @ 12:04:46 AM

Oh chill, it was a spur of the moment thing with my newer addition to the Japanese sword collection and my winter scarf. The World Ends With You is a DS game.

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Joe_III
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 4:13:37 PM
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It has happened every gen. It happens everywhere. Apple fans, linux fans, firefox fans, republicans, democrats, etc etc. But it also has been getting worse.
Between the increasing trends of mob mentaliy and fascism thanks to the internet, polarization between groups is getting worse.

The more amusing aspect of this is that rarely does a company care about its core subscribers. I personally know neither M$ nor $ony care about what console I buy or what platform I buy a game for, and I don't really care about them either.

I'm the only one who is out for my interests, and the decisions I make are geared that way. If a game looks better on the PS3 to the point that it overrides my controller preference, I'll buy it for that platform. If it comes out first on the 360, I buy it there.

It is funny how when I was young, who I hung out with most depended on which console I had at the time or which arcade games I preferred.

And yet, it can't even be helped by Ben himself. His blatant skipping over of Halo Wars and Halo 3: Recon shows that his love is purely for the PS3. All pretense of otherwise was dropped back in may when he stopped updaing xbox nerds.

But he has hit most of the points correctly. But here is the true problem.

Xbox fanboys are mostly frat boys who never really could figure out the complexities of a mouse and keyboard, and so have to get their FPS on with a console.

PS3 fanboys are (probably) dumbstruck how the company they've supported for so long went from top of the pile last gen to 3rd place (as of now) this iteration. They're also probably so rabidly anti M$ because of the following:
xbox competes more with PS2/3 than it did gamecube/wii
most of them are already apple/firefox/linux fanboys and just have a new way to hate M$.

EDIT: despite fanboyism, the ratio of players to 12yos shouting N*gger online is the same on both consoles.

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LightShow
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 5:33:04 PM

Unit sales aren't the only way to judge who's winning and losing. what about total revenue?

another thing to consider: In this console war, the PS3 may have been lagging, but in recent "battles" (unit sales, huges exclusives, all around excitement) the PS3 is showing its mettle. I wouldn't rule them out quite yet

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Joe_III
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 6:27:17 PM

By no means am I saying that the PS3 is so far behind as to be unable to catch up. But so far, the 360 is ahead in the US and just passed the PS3 in Japan. I dont know the Europe numbers, but they don't really matter anyways.

The momentum can easily shift towards the PS3 this coming year if Microsoft doesn't pull out a big shocker to stop them, and possibly the new dashboard might be it, but not likely. Gears 2 is probably going to have a similar attach rate as resistance 2, and fable 2 is probably going to do at least as well as LBP.

GoW3 and K2 are probably going to pick up a little more than Halo Wars and Recon, respectively.

After that it comes down to multiplats and DLC, both places M$ has had an edge on so far.

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Orvisman
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 8:41:58 PM

The 360 did NOT pass the PS3 in Japan. It sold a few thousand more than the Ps3 for the past few weeks. That's it!

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aaronisbla
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 8:44:56 PM

Show that link that proves it sold more 360s in japan overall than the ps3 please

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aaronisbla
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 8:58:04 PM

Id also like to note that he only mentioned those 2 games because in his opinion, those are the only huge releases coming out THIS year for the 360. No mention of Halo Recon or Halo Wars cuz those are next year ( Although he did say what about 2009 and maybe he could have mentioned it there )

I don't get why some people got butt hurt cuz Ben didn't mention those two games, people make mistakes. Its obvious some newcomers are all up in arms over what ben said, ready to label him an extreme fanboy of sony, but if they have been here for more than a few days and actually saw some of his other posts, its clear the man isn't a fanboy.

I hate fanboyish sites of any kind, but this one aint one of them if you bar some other members post. I have seen multiple times where fanboyish actions on either side wasn't tolerated here. But only when it was needed, never because someone disagreed with him. I can't wait for this sh*t to die down

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Joe_III
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 10:42:04 PM

I didn't mean to indicate overall sales in japan, just september.

I'm not worried about Ben not mentioning those, because I don't worry about his allegiance. But when he is 'concerned' that nothing exclusive is coming out for the 360 and doesn't mention those, then either he really hasn't paid any attention to anything xbox, or he's showing his slant.

And in all honesty, I would prefer Ben be a fanboy. psx is a better site than ign, gamespot, or any other site review-wise, imho. That's usually because fanboy sites take publishers to task for the problems in the games that they make.

@ lightshow
As long as you don't use a POS router, wifi is fine on the 360. I've been able to stream HD movies from my laptop with no lag or tiling, and that's more bandwidth than cable/DSL.

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Crono
Monday, October 13, 2008 @ 6:35:39 AM

|| By no means am I saying that the PS3 is so far behind as to be unable to catch up. But so far, the 360 is ahead in the US and just passed the PS3 in Japan. I dont know the Europe numbers, but they don't really matter anyways. ||

SMH. If you're talking about Europe/Japan/USA, Europe is the biggest gaming market.. and the second biggest gaming market in the world, just behind Asia. In the immediate now the 360 will of course have the upper hand over the PS3, it just got another massive price cut in all regions and had a string of RPG's released accounting for improved Japan numbers.

You say you're not talking cumulative when you say '[The Xbox] just passed the PS3 in Japan' but when the PS3 was outselling the 360 for the majority of the year, no-one said it had surpassed the 360 - you should really word your statements a lot better.

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Alienange
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 4:51:09 PM
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If you buy a Wii with WiiFit it will cost about the same price as a PS3. But who's having more fun?

Question: Do 360 owners really have cat5 running across their rooms? I've always wondered that.

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Joe_III
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 5:05:21 PM

For $400 you get a PS3, no games and no PS2 compatability at gamestop.

or, you could get a wii, smash bros, and at least 2 games, and play all your old GC games.

I think the person playin a real games vs. watching videos and demos on PSN would have more fun.

Or you could get a 360 and 2 good games.

Also 360 owners usually use a wireless adapter.

any intelligent questions?

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Alienange
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 5:27:27 PM

Hey thanks for stopping by Joe. Appreciate your ridiculous response. Nothing else to do this weekend?

I said Wii and WiiFit.

360 and 1 good game. Because Live is soooo good you gotta pay $50/year for it.

360 owners usually use a wireless adapter? Do they really? I'm not so sure. Anyone else?

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LightShow
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 5:36:31 PM

i know a couple of guys who dont have wireless networks and run CAT5 to their machines. I have a wireless network and I run CAT5, cuz a wire is ALWAYS more reliable, unless of course the rats or kids get to it ^_^

most have the sense to find a way to fasten them along the baseboards. I only know one guy who runs it clear across his room, but he swears its temporary. if someone yanks his Elite off the shelve again, i dont think it'll survive ^_^

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Alienange
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 6:14:14 PM

That's what I thought. Not everyone is going to buy the wireless adapter. I'd love to know the ratio of cat5/wireless.

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Orvisman
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 8:45:26 PM

Add another $100 to the 360 price for that WiFi adapter.

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QuasarSquirrel
Monday, October 13, 2008 @ 12:38:47 AM

I've got a cat6 snaked through the wall to my router. I'll do the same when I get a PS3.

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Orvisman
Tuesday, October 14, 2008 @ 9:40:05 AM

Not me. I'm using WiFi for my PS3, 360, and Wii and loving it. Then again I have the wicked fast Fios service, which has a very strong signal. I don't recall ever being dropped from a game.

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Alienange
Tuesday, October 14, 2008 @ 9:40:52 AM

Now that would be cool. Nice setup... except for the no ps3 part.

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shaydey77
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 5:51:01 PM
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theres some list of comments here!!wow..i read about half..my view is fanboyism is there because some people have nothing better to do with there time.I have arguements weekly with one of my friends about why the ps3 is better than 360 eyt we both play each others systems at the weekend...its just a topic of debate..for people too young to care or uninterested in politics.

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Daedusian
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 6:19:40 PM
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I really, really hope fanboyism does not continue on this site because now we got a whole bunch of fanboys added. To the fanboy newcomers, please post your thoughts on this issue and be on your way... please! I really cannot stand immature people.

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Wage SLAVES
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 8:16:42 PM
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Seriously! (Daedusian) Well put.

I hate when people bring up the whole ps3 lagging behind issue. Um yeah thats what happens when your a year and a half later. Common sense tells you the later the model the more advanced.

Just cuz everyone buys a Mustang doesnt mean that the lesser popular Lamborghini wont kick its ass. Take the Wii for example...nuf said.

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LightShow
Sunday, October 12, 2008 @ 10:51:47 PM
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nice analogy.

plus the wii is an interesting case showing that full market saturation isn't necessarily a good thing. Look at all the Shovelware that the wii has been getting! The only games worth buying are first party!

that would be a terrible position to be in if it was the PS3. The PS3 gets good games. The PS3 also gets HUGE games that wont fit on a 360 disc. Note White Knight Chronicles (or story, whichever the latest rumor claims is the real title). It's a wonderful example of what the PS3 can do when it really puts all its weight behind something.

100 hours, my god...

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karneli lll
Monday, October 13, 2008 @ 12:55:06 AM
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Are bricked 360's part of the 20+ million sold?

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Zubs
Monday, October 13, 2008 @ 3:54:20 AM
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BLUE RAY AND CELL PROCESSORS!NUFF SAID!

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LightShow
Monday, October 13, 2008 @ 6:42:17 AM
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ben is a journalist. they write what they want or need to, despite the flak they might recieve

keep on it ben ^_^

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orangpelupa
Monday, October 13, 2008 @ 7:49:38 AM
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@zubs
ugh, more ps3 fanboy.......

@lightshow
yeah, but atleast ben have received a lesson in this article he made.
the textime he create an article like this, he will be ready (physically and mentally) to see many fanboy posting, flaming..... >_<

ben saying "This year for the 360...what top exclusives are there besides Gears of War 2 and Fable II? And what about 2009...?"
is like batanly saying "hey im an ps3 fanboy" .....

maybe nextime he make "dangerous" article like this, he will do some research first.

@cat5 cable :p
i also use Cat5e cable.
my PS2 and my X360 both connected to my 8port lan switch to my PC and internet (modem) using Cat5e cable >_<

watching videos is better in PS2. it can read .srt subtitles!!
x360 cant do that :(

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orangpelupa
Monday, October 13, 2008 @ 8:05:35 AM
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@zubs
ugh, more ps3 fanboy.......

@lightshow
yeah, but atleast ben have received a lesson in this article he made.
the textime he create an article like this, he will be ready (physically and mentally) to see many fanboy posting, flaming..... >_<

ben saying "This year for the 360...what top exclusives are there besides Gears of War 2 and Fable II? And what about 2009...?"
is like batanly saying "hey im an ps3 fanboy" .....

maybe nextime he make "dangerous" article like this, he will do some research first.

@cat5 cable :p
i also use Cat5e cable.
my PS2 and my X360 both connected to my 8port lan switch to my PC and internet (modem) using Cat5e cable >_<

watching videos is better in PS2. it can read .srt subtitles!!
x360 cant do that :(

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karneli lll
Monday, October 13, 2008 @ 10:27:52 AM
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@ steampunk
Where's the irony,he asked about the exclusives n got a list that is...well redundant. Honestly,is there anything on the xbox that does'nt involve halo? try thinking outside the box for a change.

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orangpelupa
Monday, October 13, 2008 @ 8:25:40 PM
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@karneli
every console have its own "icon".

x360 in "west" gamer = halo
x360 in "east" gamer = RPGs, IM@S

PS3 in "east" gamer = MGS4
PS3 in "west" gamer = i dont know, maybe Resistance?

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King James
Tuesday, October 14, 2008 @ 12:24:51 AM

Correction: "Xbox East" has no eastern icons. The east doesn't respect the xbox.

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AntDC
Tuesday, October 14, 2008 @ 3:29:42 PM
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Yup... 188 comments later, and we still haven't learnt anything from this... the guy above me is a good example of this. Does anyone actually give a sh*t? You obviously bought what ever console you wanted because you preferred it, be it the PS3 or Xbox 360, so why do some people feel the need to slag off the other console to try and make theirs look better? Grow the fu*k up fanboys, LOL.

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Dingodial
Tuesday, October 14, 2008 @ 4:39:36 PM
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Who cares about crap-box 360 anymore??? 5 of my cousins have each bought a 360 at least once and 4 out of 5 of them had to deal with the red ring of death. I could sware that I will never buy any xbox systems unless the new xbox 720 changes things.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, October 14, 2008 @ 6:53:08 PM
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Er...some of this just proves my point, but I doubt a few of the people who heavily disagree even understood the point. My conclusion is relatively simple and even somewhat amusing for both sides...why did everyone harp on the personal opinion? That's hardly the point.

But anyway, no more of these. Great for traffic, but it lets too much of the fanboy insanity in, and that's exactly what I don't want.

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shootu
Thursday, October 16, 2008 @ 1:04:45 AM
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Pros for 360
360 more game (Its been out longer)
Cons for 360
360 has red ring of death
360 controller tacks batteries
360 have to pay to play live
360 HD DVD Bill Gates was so greedy he had to make you buy it instead of putting it in the system

Pros for 360
PS3 1080p blu-ray (RockStar had to down grade GTA4 so it would work on the 360)
PS3 telephone support is good
PS3 free online game play
PS3 light long lasting controller
PS3 has the blue-ray internally (not externally HD DVD)
Cons for PS3
PS3 online support is useless and clueless
PS store needs work (Its new give it time)

And besides this why do ppl want to support the greediest man in the world BILL GAYS!???
I have been screwed enough times buy M$ that I WILL only by MAC and SONY!

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aV muse
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 7:29:46 AM
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^
You are indeed a fool, Bill Gates a greedy man? Jesus, the money he spends on third world countries is totally amazing. Yet you are to blinded by $ony to think that Bill gates does all this.

Also where are all the 360 exlusives such as: B

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aV muse
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 7:43:14 AM

^
You are indeed a fool, Bill Gates a greedy man? Jesus, the money he spends on third world countries is totally amazing. Yet you are to blinded by $ony to think that Bill gates does all this.

Also where are all the 360 exlusives such as: Banjo Kazzoie: Nuts bolts, Halo Wars. This topic is quite biased as it seemed that you wouldn't search 360 exclusive but only the popular ones.

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aV muse
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 7:43:22 AM

^
You are indeed a fool, Bill Gates a greedy man? Jesus, the money he spends on third world countries is totally amazing. Yet you are to blinded by $ony to think that Bill gates does all this.

Also where are all the 360 exlusives such as: Banjo Kazzoie: Nuts bolts, Halo Wars. This topic is quite biased as it seemed that you wouldn't search 360 exclusive but only the popular ones.

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shootu
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 8:55:31 PM
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@ aV muse. You got fooled by Bill Gays! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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