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LittleBigPlanet Delayed Worldwide Due to "Qur'an Expressions"

Okay, so this is what we're hearing: it seems LittleBigPlanet will suffer a worldwide delay due to a political correctness snafu.

As several sources are reporting, including Mexican gaming site LevelUp and most recently confirmed by SCEE over at the Videogaming247 blog, the innovative platformer will be delayed due to "two expressions that can be found in the Qur'an" popping up in one of the music tracks. This means they'll have to either remove the song entirely or fix it, which translates to the following official statement by SCEE:

"During the review process prior to the release of LittleBigPlanet, it has been brought to our attention that one of the background music tracks licensed from a record label for use in the game contains two expressions that can be found in the Quran. We have taken immediate action to rectify this and we sincerely apologise for any offence that this may have caused.

Well confirm the new launch date shortly."

Now, we have no idea if the game will have to be recalled, which would mean we're talking about a significant delay. We're also not sure if this includes North America - we haven't seen a statement from SCEA yet - although we have to assume it does. For now, this is most certainly bad news, but we figure...how long can it possibly take to fix something so small? Let's hope the delay isn't too lengthy.

Related Game(s): LittleBigPlanet

10/17/2008 Ben Dutka

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Comments (114 posts)

Arvis
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 1:32:19 PM
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...as if we haven't waited long enough for this game.

Still, religion is touchy. The delay will hurt them far less than a lawsuit.

-Arvis

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MasLB51
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:11:07 PM

i got a call from Gamestop regarding my preorder and it said that the game will come out October 27.

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RazerSauber
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 1:40:12 PM
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A simple patch would do it although there are some people who will own LBP and dont have it conncted to the Internet..

This delay better not be long.. Ive heard November 14th thrown around the net but www.game.co.uk still says an Oct. release

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Cuetes
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 1:44:18 PM
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Freedom of Speech, expression and choice, We live in America (not saying this to down any other country, nation, race, color or religion, I love all my brothers) why should it be delayed here?

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AntDC
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 @ 7:52:39 PM

Freedom of Speech in America? People use that term so loosely, and don't really put much thought into the many contradictions in American law and history that counter that statement.

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The_Vandelizer
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 1:45:54 PM
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I might just take it from Best Buy.... FFFF waiting

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coolistic
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 1:47:22 PM
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And why should it be delayed in Europe?

We also have freedom of speech, expression and choice.

I respect muslim religion. But common!

Could they even notice that there's a reference to the Quran? But yeah, oh well, we'll just have to wait till november now.

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Jed
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 1:49:40 PM
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who gives a sh**!!! I'm offended by half the stuff on tv. Let us have our game

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Jed
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 1:53:04 PM
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This was on joystiq:

Update: The game will now ship the week of October 27th.

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Riku994
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 1:55:23 PM
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What's Quran? Im kinda dumb

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 3:39:05 PM

Islamic holy book, like their Bible.

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Wage SLAVES
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:01:11 PM
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@Cuetes
Man...each passing day America is less and less free. We are a a shadow of our former self. Youll find the unedited LBP in a "Free Speech Zone".

Well. Thats news is gay. I agree though. I hate anything that hurts or puts anyone down. So if it can be perceived that way then its not worth it. Diversity is a beautiful thing. While people find ways to separate us as a people they find ways to make one another feel less human. Good move.

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bearbobby
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:05:12 PM

@ Wage Slaves

"Well. Thats news is gay. I agree though. I hate anything that hurts or puts anyone down. So if it can be perceived that way then its not worth it. Diversity is a beautiful thing. While people find ways to separate us as a people they find ways to make one another feel less human. Good move."

I'm sorry man, but I've just gotta point out that in your post you describe this news as being "gay" and then go on to denounce those who use hurtful language. Not trying to ruffle feathers here, but you might want to try and reconsider using that as a negative adjective in the future. No worries mate, just throwing that out there.

And yes, mucho bummed about this delay. I didn't get my beta key until Thurs. the 9th and was out of town the 11th and 12th giving me only 2 days of playtime with LBP and I need my fix man... :)

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xnonsuchx
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:24:37 PM

Well, bearbobby, most gay people don't mind that word being used the way he used it, unless there's something malicious with it...except the really uptight ones. :-)

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bearbobby
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 6:31:02 PM

@xnonsuchx

Doesn't ruin my day or anything, but he did say "if it can be perceived that way then it isn't worth it." I'm sure he didn't mean any malicious intent towards homosexuals but I lament the fact that it has become embedded in general vernacular as a substitute for expressing distaste.

Though I can't speak for most gays, I do think he, or anyone, could simply say "lame," without running the risk of possible offense.

lol, stepping off the soapbox...

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Sir Shak
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:02:20 PM
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hey ben i hope this comments section doesnt turn into a communal pig stye.
cause i was over at IGN and the people there are leaving exceedingly insulting comments about muslims and the prophet muhammed.
i have been waiting for this game too but i see no reason to insult people who have nothing to do with developing the game.
all those people who call america a place where there is freedom of speech should remember that its also supposed to be a secular country so stop hating.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:05:29 PM

I would never let that happen. As most posters here will tell you, the Comments section at PSXE remains civil and mostly informed at all times.

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Thinker
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 3:14:48 PM

I agree man - I also have been over to a couple of some other sites, e.g. Eurogamer, and the degree of intolerance to other religions is nothing short of astounding. It's incredible that such websites do not believe in any sort of moderation, just to encourage page hits.

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HighLife
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:11:33 PM
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Not knowing what the Qur'an (for the most part)says I would have never noticed and if the music was anything like the beta I just tuned it out. What sucks though the closer it comes out to R2 I'm not going to know which one to play!

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SplendidBlended
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:14:21 PM
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I'm disappointed that I'll have to wait even longer for LBP, but I can understand why this might offend, and needs to be taken care of.

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Papa Burgundy
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:17:07 PM
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I'm so dissappointed rite now, I dont no if i can wait any longer for this game.

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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:22:34 PM
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dont paniic!
PS3FANBOY Have posted the release dates:
US 27th Oct.

UK 31st Oct.

Only 1 more week!

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ArnoldK PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:23:36 PM
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Well...this is unusual, because I have a retail copy of the game sitting right here. Wonder what they're going to do with all of the copies they've printed. They should just put together a quick software patch or something.

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snglbck26
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 3:24:11 PM

Arnold - I'll pay you $80 for that game. lol

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Deleted User
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 10:11:55 PM

They are recalling them. Patches do no good for people with no internet access Arnold. Hey Arnold!!! LOL

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tramp
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:30:34 PM
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i think that all muslim have to learn arabic at some point,so i think they reconise it from just hearing it.
i here thinking this LBP news probably the worst anti-muslim stuff i've heard in a while,lol.
no offence

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LegioN
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:30:35 PM
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yeah they made a patch, the new date is 27th of october so no biggie, go to PS blog for the announcement.

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Daedusian
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:34:53 PM
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@Arnold, I was wondering the same thing. Isn't a little late to fix the problem now, so late in development and ready for release??

If it is one week, however, I might manage, but Nov 14th is a big push.

And so I leave with this... "Nooooooooooo!"

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BlinkBoy
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:38:38 PM
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I don't know how they could fix it, if the song track is printed on to the blu-ray disc it may be hard to remove it, but maybe they can add a patch to block/disable the song to be played in the game.

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Tim Speed24
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:39:25 PM
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Oh No...I just realized there is Japanese people in the new Call of Duty...won't they be offended if we shoot them? And all those poor African people in Far Cry 2 and RE4...you better stop production right now; the whole world might get offended.

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www
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:53:44 PM

One thing is for sure,Africans don't give a F wat they portray them in games,it's only the african-americans who might bother.

Believe me i know Africans,majority still feel games are for kids n would see RE5 like some toys doin they thang.Over here we don't get sued for any stupid thang like in America where celebrities get sued for pinchin someone.

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Troy Powers
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:41:35 PM
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Screw it. Bring on Midnight Club!

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Zaben
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 2:43:58 PM
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And I was looking forward to spending my fall break playing the game for 4 days straight... Now I guess I'll have to study >_>

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Craigo
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 3:09:57 PM
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Yeh, GAME have pushed it back. One of my online friends has the game from a Ebay shop, lucky sod. Glad i got Saints Row 2 today.

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Wage SLAVES
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 3:10:10 PM
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@sarahPalinMILF

Dude. You are an example of what is wrong with this world.

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Wage SLAVES
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 3:15:03 PM
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SarahPalinMILF got zapped. So thanks BEN!!!!

He was just talkn crap about the Muslim people. Im a Christian so dont send crap this way. I just believe we're all equal. Religion is mostly circumstantial. Your usually born into religion. So what makes YOU right.

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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 3:24:44 PM
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I admit if it was delayed to November 14th i'd be pretty pissed off, but its only one more extra week, its really nothing worth worrying about besides Dead Space is released next Friday in the UK im sure that will occupy me for a week at least.

Its rediculous i've read comments over the net of people cancelling the pre-orders just because its delayed 1 week, thats just absurd. I know i'll be getting LBP

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PS3addict
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 3:30:08 PM
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My game stop connect already has his pre-ordered copies already in store and has not recieved any notification not to sell on the 21st (They showed up today).
If a bluray re-press is gonna happen, they better get moving...

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Skwidd
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 3:41:21 PM
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I was born muslim and arabic is my first language. I dont understand what could have been said against the brightest and happiest title to come out in a while. I dont understand it and I dont understand how GTA4 and Saints Row offend a few. Is violence encouraged?? Well, how about giving this title some slack because it obviously is trying to be positive in an industry filled with violence.

Its ridiculous.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 3:44:23 PM
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I cannot lie, it will be a blow. The actualy fix will take about 2 hours but then They'll have to destroy a few million Blu-rays and reprint the revised game onto new discs. Bye bye to some profits. I was considering waiting until Xmas anyway...

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photo K
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 3:46:33 PM
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So if our Gamestop has the preordered games in stock, would they be able to still sell us copies on the 21st? I've already planned a LBP party on the 25th, I can't wait for the 27th release date. Anyone work for GS?

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www
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 4:58:02 PM

U sure u don't know Qur'an,well it's the muslim Holy Book.

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Alienange
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 6:32:19 PM

You have GOT to get out of the basement.

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PS3addict
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 4:38:11 PM
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@ photo K
As long as they do not get a corporate e-mail to not distribute AKA Marvel VS. Capcom 2 (All though a little too late) they will sell them. I happen to know that this is a sealed case, so if the order to not sell them does come down, it will be hard to yank a copy or two since the case was factory sealed and should not be opened before street date (Guys lost thier jobs over RB2 for XBOX). They have them here, and plan on sticking to street date release for now.

I have it reserved for the 21st and hope I get it then.

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www
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:00:40 PM
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Am not muslim but i respect everybody's beliefs n religion,so if it's gotta be delayed,no problem.We wait patiently for FFXIII n yet complain bout sumn round the corner.

Am not pickin LBP quickly so this news don't really bother me.

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crapreviews
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:00:46 PM
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Wow! With all due respect to muslims and all the other reglions. It's getting to the point where EVERYTHING is offensive. Free speach is going right out the window cuz DEVS are bending over to make a reglion happy cuz of something in their game. What happens if a reglion found almost everything in the game to be offensive? Would you cancel a whole game because of it?



I have no issue with people who have a reglion. My only issue is when your reglion affects everyone else around it because we have to bend over backwards just so we don't offend you.



I know im going to get a lot of heat off of this but so be it.

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Daedusian
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 6:09:01 PM

I feel ya. I have no problem with religion, I always say "do whatever you want I don't care," so long as said religion does not affect others like I'm not affecting them in any way. And as in this case, its where religion bothers me. What did I ever do, or anyone for that matter, to deserve this because of one little mistake?... and I'm not just soley talking about religion.

Like Skwidd states, there is no reason for an uproar over a game that could probably be sold to three year olds and would be fine. Not dissing the game in any way, I'm just making a valid point.

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Tatsujin
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 7:15:44 PM

Eh, once agian.. It's just a form of respect. And although YOU don't find it offensive, others do.

JUST A FORM OF RESPECT; Whats asked of us to do is done... Im pretty sure many Christians, Buthiests, Jewish people etc... feel the same way about their religion.

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psxjunkhead85
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:04:36 PM
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They said sorry 4 the problem, they already patched it and its coming out the week of oct 27 4 na dont know about everyelse ty.

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bearbobby
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:09:53 PM

Seems like an easy fix for sure, but if it's in the form of a patch how will it be applied to those without internet access? Crazy backwards as it may be (lol) there will be ppl who buy LBP and don't have the net.

I don't understand why they don't just inform all those who purchase the game of the content and offer a free cd or something with the patch on it IF the buyer decides it's something worth patching.

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WelcomeOblivion
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:07:34 PM
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Game Stop just called me and sad LBP has been delayed until the 27th. I think they should release an edited version and an unedited version and just add a patch or something later on.

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Bardock617
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:31:43 PM

yeah i got the same call

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psxjunkhead85
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:11:23 PM
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It going to patch it as soon as u turn play it.

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TEG3SH
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:12:57 PM
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@ mixedkidbx
no u wont get a hate mail or sthn like that,but u know using quran in songs is considered offensive(not to me and i think it was an innocent mistake from MM)
but u know what being offensive to muslims is the same as being offensive to blacks, jews and homosexuals .
this msg was sent to u from a muslim allegedly anyway( i drink,have sex,.etcccccc)LOL
i just wanted to tell u that from a muslim perspective .
does anyone know the name of the song i want to download it.LOL

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BeezleDrop
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:15:36 PM
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Does religion always have to be such a touchy topic? Obviously so. This is pretty awful news. If Far Cry 2 gets pushed back from its release next week Im loosing it!

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DIsmael85
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:35:27 PM
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Well I was seriously pissed when I heard this news at work today. But the good thing is, I'll be taking it home with me when my copy of Fallout 3 arrives, Im mad, but it's ok, it's only one more week. I have 4 new games anyways, and I need to beat them. *shed small tear*

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xnonsuchx
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:38:22 PM
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Damn! And I just pre-ordered it last night, so I could have a copy next week. Oh well!

I'm still wondering whether the lines in question would be considered offensive to Muslims for just using it or to non-Muslims being so horribly subjected to them...or both? Was it just something someone realized MIGHT be offensive to someone, or was some reviewer/tester actually offended and complained?

Unless the lines translated to "Kill the non-believers!" or "Women are your property" or some other strong meaning, I don't see what the big deal might be. I listen to a lot of music that sometimes has snippets of arabic or related languages in them and I never hear of it being an issue in audio-only recordings.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:39:28 PM
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This puts me in mind of the racial uproar early on for Uncharted, imagine if they had to put the kabash on that whole game. Before Isaac Hayes died he quit South Park because it made fun of scientology but had no problem with it making fun of Xians and jews. Non-muslims can't draw a cartoon of Mohammed. I'm not advocating anything here but is there a chance we're all getting a little too sensitive?

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Tatsujin
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 7:13:06 PM

Actually, there is no such thing as "too sensitive"

I mean, there are plenty of very religious people out there (Me being somewhat one, not totally) and it does get offensive whether you're a Jew, Chirstian, Muslim... whatever the case might be.

And, no one, not even Muslims, can draw a picture of Mohammad. It's a sin to say you know how the prophet looks like when indeed you have no clue because you've never even seen his corpse let alone his face.

It's just a form of respect.

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TEG3SH
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:45:25 PM
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dude i just listened to the song and i speak arabic fluently and i seriously cant understand anything,am really not sure how that guy got it.seriously
to whom it may concern the song is called Tapha Niang
u can listen to it
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile

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TEG3SH
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 5:47:14 PM
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there is nothing offensive in my previous post c'mon ben

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xnonsuchx
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 8:40:54 PM

Any time you post a URL, it flags the post as needing Admin/Moderator approval automatically.

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HUSO
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 6:56:58 PM
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i just don't get this problem. i'm a muslim myself. but if the 2 expressions didn't cause a fuss when it was in a song, y should it be any different if it was in a game????

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Tatsujin
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 7:06:39 PM
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Lol... Im Muslim myself, and although I havent noticed any of the 2 expressions, and to answer you're question HUSO, if you have read the Quran, it is strictly agianst the Religion for anyone to use any of it's content for "jokes" and I guess gaming is a form of "Joke" when people are going haha, or hehe.

Now, this dosn't mean we can't laugh... (What most of you are thinking right now) it's just a form of respect to the prophets and Allah.

I do respect MM for taking steps like this... Knowing some other developer like Rockstar would have just said "Too bad, we have rights to it" lol...

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AceTatsujin
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 7:19:35 PM
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It is a problem. I'm not gonna claim just because you are a muslim and you don't see it as a problem. I advice you to go back to your parents or visit a Mosque and ask our priest "Can we have verses in the Quran in a background gaming with or without a music?" Because clearly, that is FORBIDDEN in Islam and it was stated in the Quran itself. Having shapes or drawings of Muhammed, Jesus, Moses or any other prophet is forbidden as well. We don't know what they look like, we can't just "assume" they look like that (and there are deeper meanings to this). I'm just explaining few things here and there.

I'm a muslim, by the way, and I find this very offending to have 2 verses from the Quran being in a game playing in a background music, or even without. Islamic religion from citing the Quran, praying, offering goods (Zakaa) and other stuff isn't to be taken as a "Who cares" or "Its a joke" to a muslim, again ... it was stated in the Quran and in Hadeeth by Muhammed (PBUH).

If Sony/MM didn't do anything about this, this could have brought LBP down with lawsuits and you'll have millions and millions of muslims bashing their e-mails. It was taken care of immediatly so I'm happy for that and honestly, it is only ONE week off so you can play other games in the mean time like SOCOM or if you have R2 Beta, Eternal Sonata and whatever other game that you have.

The words stated "All living will perish" and "Every soul will taste death". Those were claimed majorly in the Quran. Even if they were different verses, it would still be unpleasent to hear/read/see such things. (Verses I sited could be read differently, the true language the Quran was written in is in Arabic as it was never re-written in that language for over 1400 years).

If someone got any further questions then shoot right away.

If you get heated, offended or whatever then avoid posting and let it go. Religion discussion is rather meaningless when you try to bash at someone else's beliefs.

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HUSO
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 12:44:21 AM

my question still remains unanswered. songs are also a form of entertainment and Islam is quite stringent with the level to which we can take song and dance. If these 2 verses have been in this particular song for a long period of time and been overlooked shouldn't they have a ban on the song as well ??? i get the point about games being a form of entertainment and might end up making the verses an attempt at humor. but if one is taboo y shouldn't the song be as well.

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Alienange
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 7:20:07 PM
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This will go down in history as the most ridiculous reason for the delay of a game.

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AceTatsujin
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 7:29:43 PM

I wanna read it on a famous website like IGN or GameStop or 1UP or even this site. I do.

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Tatsujin
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 7:39:14 PM

For you, yes, for us, it's serious... Get over it.

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shaydey77
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 8:04:40 PM
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If someone finds something offensive nobody is forcing them to play it.myself included in that statement. if i find something offensive i just wont buy it or turn it off.Its a little thing that used to be common sense. But to delay a game for the sake of two lines...

Play beyond..but um not beyond that...you might offend somebody.

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Tatsujin
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 8:16:20 PM

I want to play LittleBigPlanet. I never heard the 2 phrases that got this whole thing started, but as respect to my religion I would like it taken off, if I play it or not.

Sometimes, telling someone to just "Not do it, or play it" isn't good enough.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 8:10:26 PM
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Heh...as is typically the case in real life, the people in here that might actually be offended by this - the Muslims - say they aren't. While others try to TELL them they should be offended.

This is EXACTLY what is wrong with political correctness. Pinpointed perfectly.

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Tatsujin
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 8:18:50 PM

In here? No one is telling anyone that they should be offended, Ben. Im just saying from what I know about the Quran and my religion as a whole. If other Muslims in here don't think it's offending, that fine... but there are plenty of Muslim players on the Playstation Network community that would probably like the song removed, or edited in some way.

I want to play this game, I love it, I had the beta and I think it's such an amazing game... But I also want to respect my religion...

See, them taking this step helps me out so much... I don't direspect my religion in any way, and I get to play the game... Thanks to MM :P

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Deleted User
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 10:21:26 PM

Yeah Ben i think you're confused. The muslims that are posting are saying they ARE offended not ARENT.

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aaronisbla
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 12:15:54 AM

Actually, TEG3SH said he was a muslim and he wasn't offended

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Deleted User
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 9:18:43 PM

actually they are saying take it out the game so they ARE offended

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shaydey77
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 8:10:38 PM
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@ Acetatsujin
If you dont mind me asking why arent you allowed to draw images of the prophets?
I understand that no one knows what they look like but surely people find it easier to believe in something if the can picture it. Take a dog for example if you didnt know what a dog looked like.If i told you everything about the dog wouldnt you form some image in your mind or on paper to help you think about it better or more deeply?Thanks.

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Tatsujin
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 8:15:10 PM

I already explained this but... Ill do it agian.


We, todays people, never seen the Prophets. And even if our ansetors saw Jesus, or Mohammed, they don't have any "Pictures" saved for us to see. Therefore, when we make pictures of what we think the prophets look like, it's wrong. Because you're pretty much saying, "this is him" when in reality it's not becuase no one has ever seen the prophets.

It's a form of respect, ive said this plenty of times.

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HUSO
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 12:33:26 AM

and also for the reason that our religion doesn't allow us to idolize any character, and drawings specially of the prophet(s) could be symbolized as idol worship.

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HUSO
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 12:33:57 AM

and also for the reason that our religion doesn't allow us to idolize any character, and drawings specially of the prophet(s) could be symbolized as idol worship.

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HUSO
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 12:34:22 AM

and also for the reason that our religion doesn't allow us to idolize any character, and drawings specially of the prophet(s) could be symbolized as idol worship.

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HUSO
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 12:34:28 AM

and also for the reason that our religion doesn't allow us to idolize any character, and drawings specially of the prophet(s) could be symbolized as idol worship.

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shaydey77
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 8:22:12 PM
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I disagree. ive never heard anyone say "this is him". I have however heard people say
"this is what i think he might look like."
And my point was images help us learn and develope thought.Even youve just stated that everyone makes images of what they look like.I dont think its wrong.I think its human nature but thats my opinion.

I do however see what you mean though about the form of respect in one sense.

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Tatsujin
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 8:27:38 PM

Right, it's just a form of respect...

Also, it IS in the Quran, it states that we cannot draw ANY of the prophets because we don't know what they look like, and guessing wont ever help.

Now, ofcourse you can imagine things in you're head... THATS human nature.. but drawing something out and showing it to the public is a different story, because even though you're saying "This is what I think he looks like" other people might think "Hey, I think that IS what he looks like" which leads to the major point in conflict, we don't know what they look like.

At first, I thought like you, but when you think more and more about things like this and take time out to just say "what if this happend, what if that happend" you would see why this whole thing about not drawing out Prophets makes sense.

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HUSO
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 12:35:07 AM

and also for the reason that our religion doesn't allow us to idolize any character, and drawings specially of the prophet(s) could be symbolized as idol worship.

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shaydey77
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 8:35:29 PM
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point taken.
I still think that drawing things out isnt a bad thing especially if someone says thats also what i think hes like then it just shows they havent put enough of their own thought in because no two thoughts should ever be the exact same.

Ill have to think about this more as you said so for now ill just say thank you for your view. Youve given me plenty to think about.
As for right now though..im off for a bit of GTA4 online!!

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LightShow
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 9:44:32 PM

in case any of your confusion remains, consider this:

the act of shaking hands makes little sense to eastern countries. The tradition of Thanksgiving is foreign to europe. 4th of july? totally american idea.

now these traditions are second nature to americans, but to the rest of the world they make about as much sense as abstaining from drawing prophets(at least to you).

Understand?

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karneli lll
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 8:42:36 PM
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Im quite jealous of muslims, they respect their religon.If the song contained a racist,or anti-gay remark,most of you would have understood why MM are delaying the game ,but because we have this negative view of muslims, any precaution taken for them is wrong,but precautions for ourselves is right,right? bury the hate already.

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AceTatsujin
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 8:44:14 PM
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Because back in 600 AD, and thats the era where the last prophet (in Islam) never had the technology to draw, or any sorts of arts. Even before him, too. No one knows excatly how the prophets where excatly, only those who lived with them, the angels and God himself. So claiming their image and drawing them for "art" or to "show" how they could look like is forbidden. I know people disagree with this, but honestly to us, this is logic and it is true. If God says "its forbidden" we can't tolerate aganist that! He says it, we obey him. He knows better than us. I'm sorry, I'll end it here. I don't want to get too deep! Haha.

Edit -- Not to double post. I'm happy that LBP got pushed back for one thing ... I'm freaking BROKE! I could only get few games, and now I have a reason to buy Eternal Sonata!

Last edited by AceTatsujin on 10/17/2008 8:44:50 PM

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MeXiCaNFiGhTeR
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 8:54:54 PM
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Man I was waiting for this game for a long time and now I have to wait one more week!!! Oh well..

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orangpelupa
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 9:13:09 PM
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the music shoud be removed from LBP. but what i dont understand is, why LBD development team put that phrase there...

its just like they are starting their own fire.

@Acetatsu
this is OOT but im just confused.
you call Allah as "He" / "Him".

im and Islam too, but in my country we cant call Allah as "He".

He = man

in my country, we call Allah as Allah. We're forbidden to call Allah as "He".

or we call Allah --> Ia or Dia or Nya.
and there no english word for Ia, Dia,and Nya.

btw Eternal Sonata in great game :)

thanks

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Bugzbunny109
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 9:20:38 PM
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NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 9:30:07 PM
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Okay, okay, everything is mostly civil but I'd rather not keep it going...this could turn into a holy war at the drop of a hat. So let's just rest, yes? ;)

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Tatsujin
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 11:45:50 PM

Lmfao, Holy war :P

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LightShow
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 9:34:14 PM
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well, i've read through this, and I think the general feelings can be summed up in two words:

Aw, shit...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 9:41:14 PM

LOL I'm not even going to edit that, because it's too perfect.

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LightShow
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 9:45:35 PM

I try ^_^

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 10:09:33 PM
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It would be nice if they would bring up the Beta for another week, but I suppose that would be too much to ask.

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Skwidd
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 11:29:09 PM
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One more thing for those who want to understand. I grew up reciting the quran as a kid and know.. knew almost half the book by heart. I am completely fluent and and understand the community completely. I do like the fact that they are trying to be respectful to a religion but how can everyone of all faiths take this seriously when there's more pressing things to be upset about?! THIS I do not understand. Now that you know my background I will tell you that I was not able to decipher the lyrics at all! And trust me I know my language and challenge most muslim and arabic communities to catch the lyircs. I assure they wont know unless you tell them. The political correctness is just too much and now we have violence being mainstream. Get your priorities straight. When videogamers shoot each other virtually as soldiers from different countries out of context and without being informed and knowledgeable. That to me is tragic. COD4 should have at least told us something informative or taken some responsibility. Alas, in America its all about shying away from offending anyone as long as you make some bucks.
Now tell me how does that make sense? Delay LBP for this??

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Tatsujin
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 11:48:08 PM

CoD 4 was a war scenario. LBP is not a war scenario, it is... a Mario scenario, it dosn't work like that..

You can't just slap on "May contain songs that can piss you off because of you're religion"

Yep, don't see that happening anytime soon.

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Aftab
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 12:03:13 AM

To Skwidd, it's because MediaMolecule is in England. In England, riots, protests, and the possiblity of lost sales has become more common fare. MediaMolecule is doing what they wish to eliminate that percieved possiblity. So really, it has little to do with religion, or even a political correctness, as it has to with optimising revenue.

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Skwidd
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 12:19:17 AM

@Aftab, And so you get my point. And the fact that they're going through this and no one bothers with more important VG issues such as an opportunity to raise awareness in a more relevant to reality/current issues 'game' is what gets to me.

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Skwidd
Friday, October 17, 2008 @ 11:32:24 PM
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BTW, just slap a warning label on the cover courtesy of the ESRB. Done. Isnt this how we resolve a lot of issues?

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aaronisbla
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 12:34:21 AM
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Wow, everyone nowadays is so sensitive to something these days. When i heard about this i thought it was something huge like poking fun at someone's beliefs. But this LAME, i don't care about the delay of the game, its the PCness of today's society that bugs me.

Im officially offended by those who are offended waaaay to easily.

That being said, it was a dumb thing to add to lyrics if indeed they were taken from the quran on purpose

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aaronisbla
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 12:40:38 AM
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i guess it gives me time to play some FarCry 2, i didn't know fallout 3 got pushed back to the 28th...

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Wage SLAVES
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 2:00:51 AM
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Seriously. We need to stop being so quick to arms. And BEARBOBBY gay predominantly meant happy or carefree. So sorry for hurting your feelings...friends?

Take a breath and breath the mutual air and love the Earth that we all live in. Respect each other and lets pray, hope or meditate for a quick LBP fest!

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crapreviews
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 4:31:04 AM
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Point blank. If they (muslims) didn't like it then they didn't have to buy the game.

FYI: the artist that made the song is MUSLIM himself.

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karneli lll
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 8:51:15 AM
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So, Resistance 2 is quite the game huh?

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Cuetes
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 10:14:14 AM
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I gotta say some off you are really sensitive. Take for example RE 4, I loved that game. Can any one tell me who the targets are? Spanish speaking latin zombies. Im a mexican-american should I be offended? No cause its stupid it's Earth's languages givin to all, NO offense to the Qu'ran, but the words are just that "words". If we guide ourselves by this way of thinking then 90 percent of all the words created by man are untouchable ( look in any religious writting). Nobody owns religion or the words used to write them. Get over it.

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eLLeJuss
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 6:27:52 PM
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i dont know what to say....

wow...

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xnonsuchx
Saturday, October 18, 2008 @ 7:49:40 PM
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Hmmm...I got a shipping notice from the copy I ordered online a few days ago (regular ground, so it may have been shipped thinking it wouldn't get to me until at least 10/21). Guess I'll know by Mon or Tue if it really shipped or not!

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infekt
Sunday, October 19, 2008 @ 8:08:13 PM
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Good! The delay is tolerable. Its stupid to offend another cultures/religions/races. I respect Sony and Media Molecule for their actions. This show me that there ARE companies that do the just things and correct mistakes. Mucho respect.

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Zubs
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 8:19:13 AM
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Instead of having this delay,why did they have something offensive in the first place? Why do people wait for complaints before doing the right thing?

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AntDC
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 @ 7:57:51 PM
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Why would these quotes from the Qu'ran be found offensive? If anything, wouldn't they be welcomed?

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