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Is It Possible To Have Too Many Great Games At Once?

It's a great question to ask, because an entirely negative answer doesn't really exist. However, it's always worth talking about, primarily because everyone seems to have a wide variety of opinions on the matter.

Perhaps you hadn't noticed, but between October and November, it's not necessarily about the number of games, but more specifically, about the number of quality games in the hopper. Most of you are well aware of the usual suspects, but just as a reminder- Bioshock, Dead Space, LittleBigPlanet (review coming very soon!), Saints Row 2 (ditto!), Fable II, MotorStorm: Pacific Rift, Fallout 3, Legendary, Gears of War 2, Call of Duty: World at War, Rock Band 2, Guitar Hero: World Tour, Resistance 2, SOCOM: Confrontation, etc, etc, etc. Now, I'm certain I missed several, but that's exactly the point- is there such a thing as too many great games in too short a time? I believe there are two sides to this argument. Here's the first side:

Yes, it is: The reason is interesting. Given all these great games, it's a guarantee that a few will be so fantastic as to stand out from the rest. But as most people can't afford to purchase a half-dozen games every time they visit GameStop, it's also a guarantee that they'll have to prioritize. Most everyone will have to pick a few, and that means only the best of the best get to go home with the individual. On the flip side, this logically means that many "great" games have to take a backseat to the "amazing" titles, thereby turning them into the "instantly under-appreciated." For example, what happens if Legendary turns out to be excellent, but not quite as awesome as Resistance 2 or Far Cry 2? Yep, a truly worthwhile game goes widely ignored, and it's just no good when this happens.

No, it's not: This is as straightforward as it gets: regardless of when they come out, the industry and gamers will always benefit from more great games. While it's true that some deserving titles will be overlooked, this doesn't mean we won't get around to them at some point. There are droughts during the year, and it's always fun to have games on the back burner. Not only will you always have something to play, but those aforementioned under-appreciated titles may be cheaper by the time you get to them. Furthermore, with such a goodly array of games out there, just about everyone should be able to find something that interests them. Even if you're not a FPS fan, you've still got LittleBigPlanet. Even if you're not an action/adventure fan, you've still got MotorStorm: Pacific Rift and Fallout 3. It's just win-win everywhere you look.

So the question is, which side are you on? ;)

10/19/2008 Ben Dutka

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Comments (48 posts)

Joema
Sunday, October 19, 2008 @ 10:34:50 PM
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Yes it is. If a small company makes a "great game" only to be shown up by an "amazing" one, they could take a serious financial hit.

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caliblue15
Sunday, October 19, 2008 @ 10:39:28 PM
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they need to learn to spread them out therefore equaling more money.

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Joema
Sunday, October 19, 2008 @ 11:23:54 PM

yeah, they definitely save too many great games for the fall/holiday season

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GoldenShadow
Sunday, October 19, 2008 @ 10:45:06 PM
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My answer is yes, with a clause.
I have pre-ordered fallout 3, eternal sonata, little big planet, resistance 2, and valkyria chronicles. I am looking forward to playing them all and discussing them with my friends. However due to the close spacing of the release dates I will not be able to focus on one in particular.
In regards to little big planet I was planning spending a good 2-3 hours (at least) a day on it, I had the same plan for Fallout 3. But I cant very well spend 6 hours a day gaming, unfortunately. So I find my self prioritizing, and having to put a great game like Fallout 3 on the back-burner so I can be up to date with LBP. This is quite frustrating to me, and I know that once Resistance 2 comes out, not long after Fallout 3 and LBP, I will start playing it immediately.
In summary, I am very happy with the fact that these games are coming out, but I can't help myself: I need to play them all, but I can't.

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Advent Child
Sunday, October 19, 2008 @ 10:50:21 PM
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Great games coming out in October/November/December in order of release

Rock Band 2 - Today
Midnight Club L.A. - 10/20
Far Cry 2 - 10/21
Star Ocean: First Departure - 10/21
Fable 2 - 10/21
Eternal Sonata - 10/21
Bioshock - 10/21
Guitar Hero: World Tour - 10/26
C

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Advent Child
Sunday, October 19, 2008 @ 10:50:49 PM
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OH NO! It cut off my post!!! I spent so long on it!

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BigBoss4ever
Sunday, October 19, 2008 @ 11:36:10 PM
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for me, I am a JRPG gamer - plays a very specific segment of the games, for this reason, my time has not come yet.

My time comes when WKC, The Last Remnant, Star Ocean 4, FF13, FFv13, Agito 13, ICO III, Chrono Break (day dreaming for this one if u know wut i am talking about lol) are released, then I will be in total heaven. lol ( I certainly do understand the equal greatness other genre of games have achieved.) But me only love grand JRPG games.

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The_Vandelizer
Sunday, October 19, 2008 @ 11:51:18 PM
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im just waiting on Littlebigplanet Resistance 2 and Motorstorm PR.... ill be happy with that this year.... and HOME if it does come out November 19 like they have been saying......

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recks1jtp
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 12:02:06 AM
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Why is it that no one is mentioning Spiderman: Web of Shadows?!? Not that I'm pushing for that game or anything, but geez-a-loo, it seems like this game is getting no screen-time what-so-ever, which might be the business...but please, dear PSX-Extreme watchers, don't flush this game down with the overshadowing of Motorstorm and LBP...even though it's multi-platform, it looks like a decent game...anyone agree?

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Reccaman18
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 9:13:09 AM

Dude, I have it on pre order! I wont let spidey die out like that! lol

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Daedusian
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 12:35:21 AM
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Spiderman:WoS does look like it improved greatly from the past titles, however it's not for me.

Legendary I think (actually I know, lol) will be a flop. It only took me one glimpse of the giant collosal in NYC (you know the one that's made up of 18 wheelers/cars/street signs/pavement/etc./etc.) to say that the game is going to suck... badly. Lol sry I have no confidence in it but I will be surprised if it gets anywhere near an A rating.

But yeah, I get your point about all of the games coming out... eeeexcept for that one lol.

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Dealnightfire
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 1:01:37 AM
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Yes it does kind of suck having so many good games come out at once. I only have so much cash. I preordered LittleBigPlanet, will get Resistance 2 and will try to pick up Dead Space. Fallout 3 may be next but I want to get Mirrors Edge but I have no cash for it right now let alone the other games I want like Legendary and Bioshock so most of these games will have to wait till next year and then Killzone 2 hits. Sigh.

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 2:59:59 AM
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IM getting 4; Little Big Planet, Dead Space, Resistance 2 Im not worried about them pilling up, I have next week off so thats plenty of time for Dead Space then ill have 2-3 weeks of Little Big Planet, Before Resistance 2 is released. Bioshock will be cheaper by then so ill get that.

btw My text keeps getting cut-off when i post, ever since the 2.5 PS update, this took me 5 edits!

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caliblue15
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 6:17:44 AM

Resistance 2 comes out like 1 week after LBP.. how are you getting 2-3 weeks?

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MirrorSoul
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 6:33:22 AM

IDK....I dont see Bioshocks price lowering for a couple of months man.That game is Wonderful.

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SpinningBeat
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 9:39:51 AM

Well sometimes it's better to delay the game. I think that was the case with killzone 2. They saw all these great games coming out this fall and delayed it strategically till next year.

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Willcome2Urf
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 9:22:47 AM
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litle big planet tops my list..I have to shop for myself and my wife (i've been feeding her gateway games)

you would think the studios would have a system in place to strategically release games, when they know there isn't any real competition. I remember when spiderman the movie came out, I saw it 3 times (with different friends) only because there wasn't anything else really playing at the time. It was a perfect release.

It's almost as if when they finish a game, it's a mad rush to just get it into the hands of gamers. maybe that has something to do with technologies expiration date, I don't know.

you could probably argue, that that rush to get games into the stores is a double edged sword. we get our games sooner,( sometimes at the cost of quality of game) But the gamemakers are forced to compete against alot of other games all at one time (which could hurt them financially).

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DeadReaper
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 9:28:13 AM
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I believe having a market full of great games is a good thing. If there are alot of good titles on the market at once, game developers can look at that and say "hey, these games are selling good, we should try and cash in on this". Yes i know that could lead to alot of copy cats, but alot of popular games can be traced back to another game somewhere. I you got a market full of crap games, then people are gonna keep developing crap. Even the crap ones sell.

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Willcome2Urf
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 9:42:58 AM
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why don't we see a flood of $10 or $20 games hitting the market ( PSN)? I would think they would be cheaper to make and have a higher return value if they were made well.

I would love to wake up and say " what $10 game do I want to buy this month..oh wait I'll buy them all."

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Willcome2Urf
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 9:49:26 AM
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I honestly just wait to hear what you guys think of the new games, and what the reviews by psx say..and that helps me decide where my money goes.

Every so often i take a gamble on a big title..but you guys are investment advisors

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BlinkBoy
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 10:12:22 AM
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Personally it is not about the money to afford the all the games, but you can only play one game at a time. It is nice to build up your game collection and all, but sometimes I just have to stop buying and actually start playing the games that I got.

Think I got more PS3 games than PS2 games already.
Some flops but mostly good games. I have ordered, LBP, Bioshock, LEGO:Batman, Golden Axe and Valkyria Chronicles.

I am actually considering Resistance 2, but I haven't played the first game yet so need to buy it cheap from platinum stack. I am not just big on FPS games, but R2s co-op sounds interesting.

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Willcome2Urf
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 10:15:24 AM

whats platinum stack? thats an online store?

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Joe_III
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 11:11:39 AM
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Anyone who says yes is a fool.

Games have been pushed forward/back in the past so that they could directly compete or avoid competition with other games (anyone remember Halo2/GTA?). So the problem isn't actual dev cycles or anything like that.

The main problem is that most publishers feel a need to make the holiday push, because that's supposed to be a big sales boost. (I kinda doubt that there is an actual boost, but I dunno)

Big games are going to sell well despite the season. I don't recall anyone lamenting GTA4 not having sold that well.

If two good games come out at the same time, yeah the better game is going to be bought initially, but most of those same people will be buying the second one in a month or so, because lets face it: There are probably only 6 decent games per console every year, and almost everyone who owns those consoles will have played each of them.

The only problem with that however is that low monthly sales for a number of months doesn't look as good as really high initial sales to publishers for reasons unbeknownst to me.

The only games that do not fit this model are games with an artificially inflated worth (ahem! Kane and Lynch). Those depend on initial sales because they know they cant keep the fact that they're game sucks donkey balls hidden forever (ahem! marvel ultimate alliance).

More good games are never a bad thing. The problem is the same as in every other market: dumb consumers. Relatives of gamers and retarded gamers who consistently buy shitty games because they're too cheap and it was recently discounted, or because they believed ign that the game's rating was 5 stars, or because they just didn't care, it was a gift.

Dumb consumers is why we cant have nice things, and for every good product out there, there are about 50 that shoudl have their creators executed in the streets.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 12:15:27 PM

I wouldn't be so cynical about "dumb consumers" when it comes to video games. I'd agree entirely in regards to music and movies - the lowest quality apparently sell the most - but it's exactly the opposite with games. If the game is great, more often than not, it'll sell great. The best games in history are ALSO the best sellers, and I find that very encouraging from my angle.

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Arvis
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 1:14:15 PM

quote: "in regards to music and movies - the lowest quality apparently sell the most"

Fortunately, that statement isn't ALWAYS true. While it is a TRAVESTY that City of Ember is a box-office bomb and Beverly Hills Freakin Chihuahua is raking it in, the "LOTR"s and "Iron Man"s of this world still draw crowds. So let's take some comfort from that...

-Arvis

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Joe_III
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 1:31:14 PM

I'm not saying dumb consumers are everywhere, but if I had a nickel for everytime a relative gave me a game that was a piece of crap like daikatana or for a console that I didn't even own, you'd be playing on a Joe_III60 right now cuz I could pump billions into the dev of it.

And we must remember, that minors account for at least half of the console market. Which means that at least half of the game sales yearly come from uninformed consumers.

Great products will always sell well because business is a meritocracy. But no product -- be it game, console, or toasters -- sells as well (or as poorly) as it deserves because there are people out there who will buy something just because it's either in there price range or because they can't be troubled making an informed decision.

Part of the problem (especially nowadays) is the online review system. At first it was great, then people realized that you can use it for other purposes. Spore got hosed on amazon because a bunch of pirates gave it a 1 star rating because of DRM. Then there's other products that have 5 star ratings because they realized that EVERY EMPLOYEE IN THE COMPANY can give their craptacular product a good review. Goddamn I hate retarded capitalism.
But I digress...
My point is that if you don't believe in the base stupidity of the US population as a whole (not going to generalize yet), we wouldn't have had Bush for 4 years, much less 8.

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Jed
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 5:34:56 PM

Everything sells better during christmas, and if a game sells out during christmas, then EVERYBODY will want it, which will sell tons of copies after the holidays when it becomes available. Remember the 360 a few years ago, the wii for the last 2 years????

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dbyzforce
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 11:18:11 AM
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Lets not forget Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm. I know a few ps3 owners just waiting for that game to come out, some even pre-ordered....btw ps3 needs more jrpg love. I know about disgaea 3 and Valkyria Chronicles but also want games like WKC to come out sooner. Oh well I guess must be more patient....

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shindelion
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 1:30:08 PM

I agree with you big time. Love disgaea 3, still playing it.

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shindelion
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 1:28:38 PM
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Well me and ma Fiancé got Rock Band 2 and she wants it at her place (LOL, yea right not if i can help it) I'll put Rock Band in your ps3 and jet with part 2. now on our list is LBP and for me R2. There are others bout like Bioshock motostorm2, but i can only play so much, so a yes for me to much coming out.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 2:40:16 PM
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Arvis: Of course you are right. I didn't intend to mass generalize, but I think you get my point.

Joe: You too have a point, and I will be the very first to assault the declining intelligence of our population, especially when it comes to entertainment. But I really do believe the gaming industry sets itself apart in this regard. While your relatives and other uneducated people will give you crappy games, those who PLAY games know what's good, and they typically give deserving developers their just due. Very rarely does a great game go overlooked, and quality seems to be rewarded more often in this industry than in any other entertainment venue.

I see this as a testament to the gamers, who I still believe to be the most intelligent and most savvy when it comes to what they actually purchase in regards to their chosen hobby.

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Jed
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 5:40:06 PM

I recently saw a movie about the decline of society's intelligence. It was called Idiocracy. Not a great movie, but I liked the basic point: Dumb people reproduce like rabbits, and as time goes on the majority of people get dumber and dumber.

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Joe_III
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 7:11:02 PM

Ben:
Yeah, the gaming industry is a somewhat different beast than general, but a number of things are similar, and the specifics I mention are the ones that hurt the hardcore the most. I agree, very rarely does a great game go overlooked, but a lot of games sell more than they should.

Some Examples:
Halo 3. It sold heaps not only because it was a trilogy, but because it was getting 9's and 10's when it deserved 7's and 8's.

Heavenly Sword. Massive advertising blitzes across all mediums. This was a game that my dad called me up about because he saw an ad for on TV. Sold in great numbers despite the mediocre reviews it got.

Marvel Ultimate Alliance. If anyone who worked for me put a game like that out I would summarily dismiss them. Poor graphics, poor controls, poor plot, I cannot think of a single redeeming aspect. Yet it scored pretty good reviews.

Madden. Madden has always oversold because they've been the big kids on the block, and the whole exclusivity has NOT helped things out any.

There are a few diamonds in the rough out there, but with as many gaming websites and as much marketing as there is, that is more the exception than the rule.

All I'm saying is that if you believe in such a thing as too many great games at once, you might be better off with a Wii. You won't have to worry about that there.

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SplendidBlended
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 3:47:50 PM
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I feel overwhelmed right now by all the games coming out that I want to buy. ;__;
But I guess this is a good thing...?
In some ways the release delay for LBP has helped me, because by then I'll have my next paycheck.

But for the most part I'm happy, because up until now there really haven't been many games out that looked good enough to buy. Maybe this has something to do with me being one of the rare few girls who own a PS3...I still wish they would make more games that appeal to female gamers, but this probably isn't going to happen any time soon.




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LightShow
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 4:47:51 PM

=/ i see your point. While the majority of games have a broad appeal, if a target audience exists it's usually male.

Not that it's a problem for me ^_^ if your a racing fan pick up Wipeout HD. It's wort 3x as much as they charge.

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LightShow
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 4:33:51 PM
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For me, i totally plan on getting a ton of these games. Now WHEN is the question...

most can't afford to buy 6 games at once. Thats $360! People will prioritize, but it doesnt mean they wont be making the purchase of the other games eventually

As far as Dead Space and Bioshock go, eh, whatever. I'm what most would call a "conservative" gamer. Shock value (beyond Jak being Mar!) is not my thing. I'm the guy who's never picked up Resident Evil to play. I cringe when some mutilated entity rears its ugly head. I'm not the guy, however, who gets all depressed and yells "how on earth could such demonic games be so popular?!" into the night ^_^

Platformers, jRpgs, and the occasional FPS is my thing. Survival horror? Not my thing. If your going to buy it, however, i hope you have fun. $60 is a lot of cash to waste =D

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 4:43:34 PM
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Well said Mr. Dutka. The whole gaming scene just lends itself to the intelligent among us, in as far as we are willing to put in the homework and I think most people do so before relinquishing their $60. I was pleased enough with this site's coverage of Dead Space that I had no reservations about picking it up, and I'll be getting Eternal Sonata tomorrow, just gotta figure a new way to make rent I guess.

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tlpn99
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 5:04:39 PM
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Ben what happens if your a fan of all those games you mentioned lol ? For most people I think it will be decision time of what to buy as you said.
Hey its holidays maybe some of them could be gotten as gifts. Although the last time a relative got me a computer game was back on my commodore 64 and it was on cassette tape and it cost £10 lol. Think it was Shinobi or Out Run.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 6:30:41 PM

"Ben what happens if your a fan of all those games you mentioned lol?"

Heh...then you'll have a lot to play for many, many months. ;)

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Jed
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 5:46:11 PM
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It's always good for gamers when good games come out. It may be overwhelming to see them all come out at the same time, but if they are good games we will get to them. If you dont get to play them now, you will have something to play during some of the slower months of next year.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, October 20, 2008 @ 7:52:54 PM
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Joe: Well, I just have to disagree about Halo 3 and Heavenly Sword. Not only did the latter win our award for Best Acting last year, but it was one of the more satisfying adventures of the generation, IMO. I don't think Halo 3 deserved super high scores, either, but I'd certainly recommend it for people to play. I didn't play Ultimate Alliance, but I have a friend who swears it's a ton of fun. As for Madden, you may have a point with that one, but again, MOST years, it's a game worth playing.

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Joe_III
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 @ 12:54:12 AM

Ben:
I'll have to agree to disagree I guess. I just hate watching movies while watching the screen for buttons to mash.

Other examples could be Kane and Lynch, Army of 2, Prince of persia part 2, Assassin's creed.

All reviewed way higher than they deserved, and all with huge advertising blitzes...

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Arvis
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 @ 12:44:26 PM

Uh, Assassin's Creed is still one of the best games I've played this gen.

-Arvis

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 @ 10:27:29 AM
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Joe: In my opinion, you need to learn to appreciate more of what a game is designed to do. The hardcore tend to focus on minutiae that keep them from being entertained; something like Heavenly Sword boasted some of the best acting and cinema choreography in history (not to mention the technical accomplishment where characters' mouths ACTUALLY synch up perfectly with their voices). It also had a great story, and there was little wrong with the battle. Just because it wasn't as deep as Ninja Gaiden doesn't mean it doesn't excel in plenty of other areas; areas NG essentially ignored.

And as for those games there, they didn't sell well, except Assassin's Creed, which deserved to. It was fantastic.

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Draguss
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 @ 5:48:26 PM
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AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!! Damn, this is so unfair, this is one of the best years as far as games go, but it has been my worst year financially. That added to the fact that in Costa Rica games are double the price, it'll be a miracle if I at least get Resistance 2, I don't even have MGS4 yet, life is so unfair!

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Minishmaru
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 @ 5:59:46 PM
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I traded some games in sooo...i'm really trying to be with the "No..." but at the moment...it feels more like a "Yes..." cuz I can only get so much for the games I have left and the others I have I don't wanna trade it :(

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Minishmaru
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 @ 5:59:52 PM
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I traded some games in sooo...i'm really trying to be with the "No..." but at the moment...it feels more like a "Yes..." cuz I can only get so much for the games I have left and the others I have I don't wanna trade it :(

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aV muse
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 5:38:45 AM
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Halo 3 diffently deserved it! Forge and being able to take in-game movies and screenshots is pretty awesome not to mention its in a close contest with COD4 in the battle for number 1# played on live.
But there are diffently to many games coming out during october-december to buy, a rentfest is about to begin!

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