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Sony: PS3 Hitting Stride, Competitors "On Their Way Down"

Sony UK's managing director Ray Maguire has been a busy guy as of late, providing quote after quote for the industry journalists to print and for the readers to analyze. The latest batch of comments comes from a recent GamesIndustry.biz interview, where Maguire talks about the upswing of the PS3 and perceived downswing of the competition, and the trials and tribulations of creating something like PlayStation Home.

In talking about the current position of Sony's machine and how it stacks up to the competition, Maguire quickly reminds everyone of the PS3's upward trend in both sales and general popularity. And in a relatively diplomatic way, he suggests that the competition is faltering. "It [the PS3] is nowhere near even halfway through its lifecycle, and I could argue that some other competing formats are on their way down right now." Well, in looking at some of the recent sales numbers, this statement does hold water. In regards to Home, which has suffered through a few major delays, Maguire emphasized Sony's commitment to making sure "that things are born at the right time."

"We have to make sure that things are born at the right time, that the infrastructures are right and are tested, and that they actually work. It's one of the things that PlayStation has been known for - a plug-and-play mentality, rather than a patch-patch mentality. Getting it right is more important than getting it out quick, and I think it's very difficult to make that decision, to hold something up, but again I think it was the right decision to make sure that we were defining along the line where it is that we're trying to go to."

Yeah, we're not big fans of this patch-patch deal, either, so if they have to take longer to produce a fully functioning service right off the bat, than so be it. The same goes for games, too, in our minds. As much as we love the next-gen consoles, we still remember with nostalgic contentment the true plug-and-play days of the ol' Nintendos and such. No installs, no patches, no firmwares, no updates, no nothing. But hey, with advancement comes added difficulty...especially in the technical world.

11/10/2008 Ben Dutka

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Comments (53 posts)

Fabi
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 11:10:39 AM
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I agree with him to an extent.

I don't see the PS3 outselling the 360 and Wii by much anytime soon (if at all).

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Deleted User
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 3:18:56 PM

Agreed

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BIG_E
Thursday, November 13, 2008 @ 12:51:01 PM

You cant see beyond XBOX's sales in the us but the rest of the world see's it.In two years ps3's 17 million worldwide sales and in three xbox's 22 million.Even with these numbers your still not convinced.A one year xbox lead dude come on.Next year its over for xbox now the wii,only time will tell.

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Jut420
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 11:12:14 AM
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I would totally agree with his comments if it weren't for Socom, but then again that's Sony America not Sony UK. But then again Socom was delayed a year to begin with so idk, I guess they just had to release it. In my opinion though Socom is the best and most competitive shooter out there. It's dedfinately the most realistic shooter I've ever played. That's why I didn't care it released when it did, because after the beta I was dieing to play more even with the issues it had. I think Sony is the most focused this generation in delivering AAA quality products to their consumers, and I couldn't be happier with my purchase. I truly believe him when he said they aren't even half way where they want to be, because I think we'll really start seeing the console shine in the next few years, starting with Killzone 2 from what I've seen and heard so far.

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Tim Speed24
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 11:13:03 AM
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I wish my PS3 didn't die on me this weekend, then I would enjoy this article more. I got the 3 beeps flashing red light thing. Now my 60G PS3 will not turn on at all. At least I got 2600 hours out of it in 2 years.

Anyone else experience this?

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WaR_HaWk
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 1:28:09 PM

i did. my 20 GB died like that. then i bought 80GB MS package.and ps3 still works.

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tlpn99
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 1:30:38 PM

Timster, presumably your machine is no longer under warranty, you could try sending it off somewhere to be repaired. If you do be prepared to lose your saved games. You could try giving sony a call. I was in Game tonight and the lad behind the counter said Sony are wanting to keep thier user database, they fixed one guys machine after if was broken after 18 months. Try it you never know. Sadly I don't know the number maybe someone else on here does ?

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Tim Speed24
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 3:50:53 PM

My PS3 was a launch unit...almost 2 years old. Sony said they could fix or replace with a refurbished unit at a cost of $150.00.

I decided to buy another new one. The new 80G model that just came out. Lost BC and mem. card reader but I can play my 16 PS3 games I have. Hopefully I'll have better luck with this unit.

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 @ 9:49:33 AM

The EXACT same thing happened to me...RROD ps3 style?

Gotta new one too from Best Buy got the 2yr. Warranty and I WILL extend it!

Last edited by Wage SLAVES on 11/11/2008 9:51:01 AM

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556pineapple
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 @ 4:11:35 PM

My 60 GB PS3 kept freezing this spring, but it would turn on. Sony replaced it with a refurbished one for free even though I was out of warranty.

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BIG_E
Thursday, November 13, 2008 @ 12:19:23 PM

Dude your still in that low 1%. PS3 is still mare reliable than xbox360.Just pay the $150.00 to sony and get it fixed.After fixing my 40gb ps3 no problems.Don't worry in less than two weeks,you will get it back.I have a 360ELITE also and fixed it three times.My 60gb ps3 never an issue and i had for two years now.

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Shatterday
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 11:16:39 AM
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I don't mind the whole Patch Patch thing. Of course to each his own but we're obviously used to receiving system updates and patches for the PS3 and it's software.

When we receive a service like Home, it's going to end up like every other softwares online service, it will be bogged down for a couple weeks due to "higher than anticipated server activity" and there will be bugs and issues that will need patches.

I think that if Sony released Home lets say... tomorrow... before they think it's ready and then they put forth the correct amount of resources to handle all the data that is able to be collected, then we would have a fully functioning Playstation Home for Christmas. Plus, having any form of home before Christmas would probably sell systems like crazy despite the fact that a price cut isn't coming.

I agree that Beta testing is vital, but lets just cut the crap and get this going. Quit dicking around, make the effort, lets go.

Anywho... I'm glad to see the playstation picking up momentum, it makes me happy. I just wish I had money to keep up with all of the new games coming out. Give me a break!

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Qubex
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 11:24:57 AM
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Whilst it is always nice to hear positive notes, I think Sony still need a reality check.

I still feel there is too much hype about some things Sony talks about. PlayStation "HOME" for example still needs quite a bit of work. Whilst it is an interesting concept, it still needs to be tuned so it is more user friendly and more game centric. it will mature no doubt, and when made open to the wider public I am sure the market will guide Sony as where to take it, but HOME, as with everything else, will probably not appeal to everyone.

What I am still looking for is for my PlayStation to be my online media hub of choice and not my PC... there are still a number of improvements I would like to see;

* Enhanced and more capable web browser, especially when it comes to viewing and/or streaming heavy media based websites
* More popular media/program extensions to XMB, including useful programmes like Skype and LiveStation
* More robust PSN. I am still getting network errors, even when it comes to comparing other players' trophy collections for example. This may be an ISP issue on my side, but PSN has never been very robust for me.

I have enjoyed my PS3 emmensly, but it is far from the huge next gen leap we were promised and still has a way to go before some of the issues I find disturbing are ironed out... in the meantime I will continue to enjoy it for what it is, but I am always weary of the hype.

Q!

*i aM hOme"

* HOME Beta Tester *
* KILLZONE 2 Beta Tester *

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Troy Powers
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 11:27:41 AM
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I could completely see MS releasing their next console very soon. Would they have to pay Sony in order to use blu-ray technology? I mean, is it possible for Sony to actually own the rights to that, or can anybody build a machine with a blu-ray drive?

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Qubex
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 11:35:17 AM

If MS release a new console, it will be a disaster for Sony I think.

I don't know if a new Xbox would be coming out so soon though, on the 18th of November for example, MS releases a completely new Firmware update for the Xbox360... essentially remaking it from the ground up...

Q!

*i aM hOme"

* HOME Beta Tester *
* KILLZONE 2 Beta Tester *

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zerostar39
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 12:25:26 PM

I think there are licensing fees to use a Blu ray drive. so essentially Sony would be making money off every xbox that would include blu ray. kinda ironic.

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Troy Powers
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 2:10:50 PM

And does Sony set the licensing fee? Could they possibly set the fee so high that MS wouldn't pay it, or that it would make the price of the xbox sky high? That would be some real corporate chess.

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Deleted User
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 3:21:26 PM

I seriously doubt sony owns the right to blu-ray.

@ Qubex: I can't wait for that!

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LightShow
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 5:31:59 PM

Blu Ray is owned by a commission of companies and investors, of which Sony is the largest. licensing and issues similar are presented to a conglomerate board, which then decides (by processes unknown) what to do.

while i think it would be good for sony to deny M$ a BD drive, the rest of the commission has almost nothing to gain from an XBOX failure, so if the issue comes up, and Sony does decide to say no, they will most likely be outvoted.

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tramp
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 11:53:51 AM
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well if the a new xbox was produced and used blu ray for movies it would not be to bad,now if it was to play blu ray games this would be a different issue.1)they would be alienating their whole fan base and forcing them to buy a new console And 2)if they done this successfully the ps3 could take a dive cause that added disk space will eventually led to monster games,and as long as sony has that it will always make better bigger games.

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CH1N00K
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 12:35:38 PM

They'd have to release a backwards compatible system for sure if they release on soon. Or else everyone will just go to another console. I don't think they can make a new one now and keep it cheap enough to compete with what's out already. The Hardcore gamers might buy it because they need the newest thing, but with there still being a huge popularity of even the Last Gen systems (PS2) and this Gen just getting rolling, we won't see something new from MS for a few years yet.

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CH1N00K
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 12:32:35 PM
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It would be a big pill to swallow for MS to have to negotiate getting the rights to use Blu-Ray from Sony. I don't think we'll see a New MS game console for a few years yet but if they do, I wouldn't be suprised if they opted for a large hard drive instead of a disc drive. That's where the next systems seem to be headed anyways. Everything will be dowloadable. They might do a add on accessory for a BluRay like they did with the HD drive. But I think they'll look at other alternatives first before they go crawling to Sony to use their disc drive

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Joe_III
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 12:54:43 PM

Sony would probably cream their pants if M$ asked to put BD in their drives. And probably give M$ a bigger deal than anyone else.

M$ should seriously consider it. They're probably just waiting for BDROM stamping costs to get under $1/disc, which will be around the time for the xbox 720 or w/e they call the next one.

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Joe_III
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 12:43:33 PM
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M$ is supposedly putting a new xbox out in '10, so it's probably in design right now. However, they have a number of problems to face (as will Sony/Nintendo if they put new consoles out soon).

1. Is it even going to have a disc drive? M$ (and sony to a lesser extent) has been driving towards digital downloads over a physical medium for their games and stuff, because it makes more "financial sense." However, there are constraining factors against that. Namely the new trend of capping bandwidth on internet connections as well as Net Neutrality being on thin ice.

2. Changing the interface, namely moving to Motion Sensitivity or not. We've all seen how it's been a mixed blessing for Nintendo. High console sales, but low software attachment and poor game quality. I don't know what kind of cut M$ gets of game sales, but if they thought they could cut into the Wii's sales and keep that going with their new console, it would be tempting. However, the majority of the biggest selling games of the current race aren't played by flailing your arms about.

3. RF/Bluetooth? Sony put in bluetooth and has kind of been paying for it twofold. They can't sell exclusive mice/keyboards, headsets, or other peripherals that are already out for computers w/ bluetooth, and they cannot have their remotes integrated into current universal remotes because of the different format. Will M$ make the same mistake? Or will it be a mistake in 2 years from now, based on some rumors I've heard over at some A/V sites about Onkyo and a couple other companies making bluetooth receivers?

Sony can easily pick up lost ground against M$ this go around as long as they can keep the exclusives they get and steal some from M$.

However, it can't really afford the plug-and-play method for software features coming out anymore, as they come out too late.

While I hate the patch patch patch until noone plays it anymore mentality with a passion usually reserved for bad movies and small children, this has become the norm of game business since none of the devs caught doing it in the beginning have really been punished by consumers.

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shaydey77
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 1:44:46 PM
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if MS want blueray they will try to by the whole thing.If anyone could do this its microsoft.Or MS could bring out a disk better than blueray just for games?

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Troy Powers
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 2:15:36 PM

I guess if the next xbox has to have a disk drive, they could go with hd-dvd instead of blu-ray. I guess they would pretty much have to.

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Joe_III
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 3:02:02 PM

if they put out a disc drive it will most likely be bluray, unless something better comes along and eats bluray's lunch.

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N a S a H
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 3:08:53 PM

HD DVD is dead. They can't.

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HUSO
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 9:00:03 PM

HD-DVD might be beaten as the next gen media format. but it'd be perfect for the next MS console. and now that it's not so popular, it'd even keep piracy down to a minimum.

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Scarecrow
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 1:54:10 PM
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The ps3 is now on the hunt

Metal Gear Solid 4 was the turning point, that's when the ps3 became a console to get(no matter the price).

Next year with its big games like Killzone2, GOWIII, and Gran Turismo. It's just a matter of time.

PS: The Wii really doesn't count, I mean they're winning, can't take that away from them. But it's not a console I really consider to be winning 'cause of its games.

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FLYING_APE
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 2:59:24 PM
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Can some one plz answer this question. Why is it that whenever i play an ps3 online game and i get a message from my friend i press the ps button to bring up in game xmb but there's so much freakin lag so it's useless. With the xbox it comes up quickly and it very smooth.
with the next price cut in 2009 they should update the system from the start and make everything realy smooth so new ps3 owners don't have to download patches.

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Joe_III
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 3:03:14 PM

that would most likely be because M$ has put in 20x the money and dev time into XBL than Sony has in PSN.

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N a S a H
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 3:13:24 PM

There's only one way in saying what I'm about to say.

Sony's games are ALWAYS bullshit when it comes to their online. Yeah, sure they fix it but why does it take a month or two?

Examples would be : COD4 wasn't fixed until Christmas. R6V2 was so bad I had to return it the next week. BFBC was incredibly slow and had so many lag issues. Socom was pathetic at the start with unplayable conditions.

Fair enough with multi-plat games but on a game like SOCOM? I expect a high standard.

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Deleted User
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 3:23:45 PM

@ xx: AGREED

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CH1N00K
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 3:54:09 PM

Don't know I've never had a problem with Messagin while in games. Mines always been right there.

As for release glitches, yeah I agree, It almost seems like they need to communicate more with Sony and the game developer to make sure the servers can handle it on day 1. Or even better yet, when you ship a game, make sure your servers can handle the amount of games you ship. When Socom released I couldn't get on to it for 2 days. And I couldn't play warhwak either because sony stole the servers from them to use on Socom. I had 2 online games that were paperweights for 2 days. Has nayone had any issues with R2 online? I Heard LBP has had a couple but nothing major.

I think a lot of it is the learning process, Microsoft has been doing online games for years on PC so adapting to a console should have been pretty easy (although they still have a few issues now and then) Sony had a small amount of people actually play online on the PS2 and are still learning about the whole online community/server issues, so there will be some growing pains. The way I look at it, Sony is offering a free network that is getting better with each release. It just depends on how patient you are i guess..

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Advent Child
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 4:39:16 PM

Must be your console. Mine opens basically immediately. Takes longer on my Xbox

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LightShow
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 5:38:37 PM

@xx

dunno what your talking about, i have NO problems online with BFBC, Burnout Paradise, or even LBP, except when i try to play with a download going at the same time, which could be contributed to bandwidth.

maybe its just you?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 3:59:49 PM
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SOCOM is a fantastic experience right about now, and many games that started slow have been patched and fixed over time. It's not like this is anything new; Live has the exact same issues with certain games when they first launch.

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N a S a H
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 4:17:25 PM

Yeah now it is. Socom isn't even out in Europe yet. That's how annoying it is. It is a fantastic game and I've enjoyed the beta. It was so good that I bought it from the US Store but I don't get why servers were bad for like 1 or 2 weeks. Even AFTER the beta.

I think COD5 will suffer from the same problems that COD4 did at the start. Laggy games and very little patches. That's why I'm getting it for 360.


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LunarJ
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 4:49:36 PM
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The next XBox would have to have Blu-Ray to compete in todays HD environment. And Sony would be asking for failure if they denied them the option of using it. Look how much they would profit from it.

And I need to point out how well Resistance 2 is doing with its online features... some of the most intense multiplayer I have ever seen. I can't remember ever getting so excited to win a mission with a group in a co-op game. I did download one patch for the game when I got it(which was about 4 days after launch) but it's been working pretty good except for some random network error messages that went away after a few reconnect tries. I think Sony's online is getting ALOT better!

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djjake
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 6:05:12 PM
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online from sony is great, i mean it is free so stop complaining

but i can see ms getting the blu-ray drive, they can't make a new format when blu-ray is as good as it is already

but whats annoying is that they could benefit from using the new tech they brought to blu-ray and use the 250gb disc's dual layered to 500 which would make they're games huge

hopefully it isn't a hardware problem and somehow sony find a way to patch the ps3 to use the bigger sized bd disc's

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Deleted User
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 7:57:07 PM
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ps3 was the best system since the day it came out hands down. xbox is trash, nintendo wii is for fat people and special olympics. critics need to shut the f up already because they got no facts and never did.

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HUSO
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 9:06:16 PM

when it launched, PS3 was the best console on paper. it's only about now that we are seeing the PS3 for wat it really is.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 10:23:17 PM

First and last warning. No trashing of ANY system here.

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Joe_III
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 9:01:33 PM
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@streetman
ignorance is too soft a word

@djjake
free != great.
That said, PSN has it's downsides, but so does XBL.

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King James
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 9:29:37 PM
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I can see the PS3 outselling the XBox360 in 2009.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, November 10, 2008 @ 11:50:40 PM
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Crawling to the top isn't easy but for the 360's yearlong head start I think the closing sales numbers tell the tale of the tape. My only criticism is that they shouldn't be hyping things like Home, setting year-early release dates and such, long before it could possibly be ready. Home would have been a much better received addition if it weren't announced ages ago. Despite what this guy says, the patch patch situation will go on forever. I guess the point of the matter is that they are TRYING to put an end to it, and for us that will always result in a better experience.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 @ 1:49:50 AM
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idi na xyu

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Saber1989
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 @ 9:30:29 AM
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I was reading about the blu-ray and its own mostly by Sony and Philips and a couple of small companies. On Wikipedia it states that Microsoft will not use the Blu-Ray or have an external drive for using the Blu-Ray. Since the HD-DVD is dead and Microsoft is no longer a supporter of it (beware X-box 360 user, games may cost more now :S) and now focus on digital downloads from X-box Live Marketplace.
I guess Sony and Microsoft don't like each other so much.

*My wish is to have a system that can play X-box 360 games, PS3 games, and even the Wii. Or better yet stop having exclusive merged with one another. Imagine if X-box and PS as a system together how crazy would that be.*

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King James
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 @ 10:28:37 AM

yea, crazy enuff to where there is no competition and no good games come out anymore. Be careful what you wish for. There's always a good and a bad side consequence.

Keep the competition going.

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anjpikapp3
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 @ 3:07:02 PM

i think its great that MS decided not to develop under something so new and novel /sarcastically. what idiots...the way i see it is, if the new standard is Blu-ray then why would you (as a company) not support that standard?? just think about the possibilities with a 300 GB blu-ray disc...and yet MS chooses to keep the old dvd format.

I really do feel bad for 360 users as the only choices you will have is to download the game or to by the game on 3+ disc sets...(oh look i finished disc 1 now i need to put disc 2 in).

Well...good luck MS, if your new console is anything like Vista then a long prayer and a nice blunt object would be needed to operate.

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Dingodial
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 @ 3:47:26 PM

An "x-station" or a "Playbox" would sound like a great idea but then Sony and M$ could get charged for having a monopoly (since nintendo would go out of business from trying to match such an unstoppable team :). M$ has toooooo much pride to get Sony's permission to use Blu-ray technology on the x-box 720 (I know that some of you think that sony doesn't own Blu-ray but everyone needs to remember that Sony invented Blu-ray and all the companies that make Blu-ray players each own a smaller portion of it). M$ has already boasted before that they are "far ahead of the competition" even though it just isn't true :)

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sharpiro
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 @ 9:53:17 AM
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definately

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