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Square-Enix On Exclusives: "That Time Is Already Over"

Likely due to the release of The Last Remnant for the Xbox 360 this week, Square-Enix has been in the news an awful lot lately. You may recall them saying they don't prefer any one console, and now, U.S. boss John Yamamoto has taken this sentiment one step further.

According to a recent interview with GamesIndustry.biz, Yamamoto spoke about the company's need to go multiplatform. Last generation, with the PS2 dominating from start to finish, developers and publishers could release exclusive titles for the system and still come out with a substantial profit. But no longer, says Yamamoto.

"Not so long ago the PS2 dominated the market so if we developed an exclusive game for PS2 then we could enjoy a very good profit. But that time is already over. To maximise and spread our games to as many users as possible I think we have to go to multiformat - the Xbox 360, PS3 and also the PC as well. The Japanese market is very strong and back when we could concentrate on developing games for just one console, business was very good. But the one-console market is over."

Yamamoto also spoke about the recently opened Los Angeles studio, which will cater specifically to Western tastes. We hadn't heard anything about the first project of theirs, but we now know it will be an "action-oriented" downloadable title for the PlayStation Network, Xbox Live Arcade, and WiiWare. Yamamoto believes Square-Enix is one step ahead of other Japanese developers who "focus too heavily" on their homeland and ignore the needs of the Western gaming audience. This is the reason games like Final Fantasy XIII are coming to the Xbox 360 (but only in North America, not Japan). Yamamoto finished-

"I wouldn't make a generalisation about all Japanese developers, clearly, some have had continual success worldwide. However, I do feel that there is a tendency for Japanese developers to focus too heavily on the domestic market. With increased competition from overseas developers, Japanese companies must recognise the need to appeal to a broader audience."

Well, all of this makes plenty of sense to us, but we have one final question: if there's a pressing need to go multiplatform, and you don't have one favorite console, than why do PlayStation 3 owners continually feel left out...? The Last Remnant debuting on the 360 first? Star Ocean: The Last Hope a 360 exclusive? ...this doesn't sound like a multiplatform business philosophy, guys. I mean, we're just saying.

11/20/2008 Ben Dutka

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Comments (86 posts)

coverton341
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 10:40:50 AM
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It sounds like they are trying to imply that the 360 is the dominate system this generation.
With statements like "Not so long ago the PS2 dominated the market" and actions like timed exclusives and exclusives for the 360 the implication is hard to ignore or maybe this is another case of Microsoft handing out a large sum of money to tie things up and make more appeal for the 360. They have been known to do it on all aspects of their business fronts from OS development to the game industry. Can we surmise from this that when the PS3 gets into full swing and starts to open a new gap between itself and the 360 that SE will crawl back with hat in hand and offer Sony some timed releases and exclusive deals?

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The_Chimeran
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 2:16:39 PM

wouldn't count on square enix going back to sony ever again. From what it sounds like to me, "money is money". Which I'm fine with and all but last time I checked, SE hasn't giving the PS3 any love.

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FLYING_APE
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 10:41:48 AM
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Ive made this point b4 microsoft are trying to stop jrpg coming to ps3 so there buying games. There was a backlash here. hypocrites

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LightShow
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 10:47:14 AM
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Is there any real reason to go with timed exclusives?

with full exclusives is sorta makes sense, that the extra cost for developing for a second system is greater than the profit projected by such a venture, but if it's coming out for both systems anyways, why not do it simultaneously? This doesn;t make sense to me.

And Enix, so far the "other japanese developers" who "focus too heavily on the domestic market" have delivered more great games in my hand than you, so so far, as far as i'm concerned, your westernization strategy has FAILED.

era of exclusives over, gimme a break.

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Duff
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 10:59:55 AM
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Its all for money really, since apparently the 360 is a strong console, they want to expand their games to the system to make more money. I still hate Square-enix they haven't made a good game thats impressed me by far.

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Vivi_Gamer
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 11:04:48 AM
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FAIL!

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Joe_III
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 11:14:12 AM
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Devving for two platforms is always more profitable than devving for one. _Always_. However, timed exclusives are great for everyone but consumers.

Particular consoles get to brag that they're getting it first, and that gets sales. Then after the exclusivity time is over, they can release the same game -- with some small modifications and add ons funded by the exclusive sales -- and they'll get good numbers of sales.

This way devs make money on both ends, and if the game is good enough (to some consumers) they will probably go out and buy it for the second console, netting the dev 2 sales to a single customer. (I almost did this with Bioshock, and I know a number of people who did).

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sabitrulz
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 11:19:59 AM
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W/E i don't care,they r bill gay's keyboard now,he is completely pressing da Sq-enx.Time exclusivity is Microshaft's weapon of choice.
Look @ mgs4,it's a ps3 exclusive n it's a japanese made game,did it require 360 to sell?Square is now living inside microthief or u say microshaft.

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MetalHead09
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 11:57:40 AM
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is anyone really buying the crap their saying?

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coverton341
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 12:28:44 PM
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So in light of new developments what is the next company that is going to get my money on the jRPG front? I am being totally serious here, I need an answer. From what I see there is not a real strong leader in this genre anymore and dammit I want my epic fantasy fix. I mean Level-5 might be it with WKC but what about after that? Is Atlus ever going to come around and make a PS3 game?

And what are the guys from Soft doing now?


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Arvis
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 1:02:43 PM

Dude... after White Knight.... DARK CLOUD 3 BABY!!!

-Arvis

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Duff
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 1:44:24 PM

amen dark cloud 3

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coverton341
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 1:59:07 PM

Ok true that. Dark Cloud 3 would be freakin' sweet in the words of Peter Griffin

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Orvisman
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 3:05:19 PM

We can only hope!

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LightShow
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 3:14:20 PM

DC3 FTW!

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HUSO
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 1:44:07 PM
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Sony should hire the business rep that MS sent to negotiate with SE. that guy's done a hell of a job to make converts out of SE.

BTW why don't we boycott something like the Last Remnant, it might make them realize about the customers that they are losing.

I'm sure right now they are like "Just leave the PS3 owners and try to hook on new 360 users. After the timed xclusive ps3 guys will all rush out and buy it anyways no matter how pissed they are."

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MetalHead09
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 2:07:33 PM

hell if you really want to wake them up dont anyone buy ff13 for ps3 then they would be really screwed. or at least dont buy it right away until they give us a much better explanation for their recent abandonment of the ps3 guys, oh and a very big appology i for one am really thinking about doing just that, skip ff13. there will be other great rpgs.

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HUSO
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 2:27:34 PM

the thing is one person not buying is not gonna have much of an effect. we should act collectively. i dunno if i'd be able to boycott something like ff13 :P after all thts one of the reason i had for getting a ps3 :D but a lesser game i could definitely go without.

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coverton341
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 2:52:11 PM

@Huso
And that is the exact reason why they can screw us over like they do because they know that a lot of us are looking forward to FF13 and FFv13 and they know we will buy it no matter what they do to us, and they are right for the most part. If everyone that owns a PS3 said no to anything that is a timed exclusive or even a dual console game for the next two years maybe the gamers can reclaim some ground. If everyone put off buying ff13 for two years and last remnant for that matter and only bought ffv13 assuming it stays exclusive then SE would have to think twice but if we just suck it up and take it then we will be stuck in this spot for as long as they want

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LightShow
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 3:16:20 PM

you could wait for a bit and buy FF(v)XIII used from gamestop.

that way, you can enjoy the game, but Square doesn't get the profit from your purchase.

thats what i'm gonna do, at least.

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Orvisman
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 3:21:00 PM

The flip side is that if we all skip their games on the PS3 then they'll have more evidence why they should give M$ft more exclusives. After all, their games are selling better on the 360.

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MetalHead09
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 4:45:28 PM

no not at all orvis, yuh cant possibly think they dont here the millions of sony guys around the world complaining about their piss poor business plans. and besides regardless of what they do if we do in deed stick together and not buy their games they will take a MASSIVE financial loss and KNOW that we aint taking their crap no more and they will HAVE to start treating us better cause believe it or not we gamers are what keep them in business and if we dont like what they are doing then we can threaten to hurt them finacially big time. those of us who prefer sonys console cannot be ignored if we really do stop buying their games and make them hear us. if you have any better plans then im all for it?

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MetalHead09
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 4:59:49 PM

just dont buy their games until they start kissing our butts a little bit yuh know? then we can all flock to the store and reward them for being so cooprative and buy their game. if we all of us sony guys would even just hold out for a week they would feel it but id say give it at least a solid month or until they come out with some explanations and some better solutions.

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Daedusian
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 11:59:26 AM

I think it would take much more work than that. While it is a good idea, I really don't know how they would respond. Like Orvis said, the more we 'wait' for the game the more exclusives for 360, at least timed anyways. A big dev like SE probably couldn't care two sh**s about us and so will overlook our idea. I completely agree tho, something needs to be done, but I have no clue what it would be.

And I really don't see them coming back to PS3 exclusivity at any time as the article states.

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Cuetes
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 1:47:34 PM
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Its a shame really, we PS3 gamers are destined to suffer from bad ports from a shabby system. Games like FF thrive off the fact there is always something to do. I guess what Im trying to say is theres a big difference between 9gb and 50gb, with todays developers it seems they are striving to create equality instead of quality and quantity . If this is infact true, gamers everywhere are doomed to be shafted by games using outdated tech. Think about it.

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Jordahn
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 1:53:45 PM
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My take is that the mainline Final Fantasy series has failed (but still relatively successful) to maintain its former status so they need to make up for it.

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Riku994
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 2:01:51 PM
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Byebye FFv13, byebye KH3...

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LightShow
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 3:17:31 PM

DON'T SAY THAT!

i'm still holding out for KH3. dont dash my hopes.

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Riku994
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 3:23:58 PM

Dont get me wrong I'm waiting for KH3, I think it's gunna be one of the most epic games ever!

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coverton341
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 2:02:34 PM
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I believe if a new dev company or even an already established on can come out with a stellar "wtf is FF anyway" type of game and make the PS3 crowd forget about squenix all together then SE will either crumble or they will have to seriously rethink their stand on shafting the Sony crowd. Lets hope that WKC can deliver on this and then hopefully DC3 will come along and blow all of our minds.

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MetalHead09
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 2:09:08 PM

we can only hope man, keep your fingers crossed.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 4:12:16 PM

Not to mention showing SE the sick and twisted massive moola making sales numbers that they COULD be pushing on PS3 if they weren't such douchegoblins.

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karneli lll
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 2:20:49 PM
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@HUSO
This delaying of games and not caring started with 2k and a year old bioshock. Boycotting wont help. The devs have gotten the message that ps3 owners can wait.Its something we have to deal with.

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Orvisman
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 3:21:52 PM
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Heh. No mention of the Wii.

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Riku994
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 3:25:14 PM
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I'd love to boycott FF13 but... I'[ve waited far too long, as much as I'd love to teach them a lesson I can't pass up a great game like FF13.

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karneli lll
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 3:34:17 PM
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lets not talk of boycotting, i think it goes against this site's code, does'nt it Ben ? Arnold?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 4:22:22 PM

Nah. Boycotting isn't illegal. It makes no sense to boycott great games, but that's just my opinion.

We won't allow talk of modding or things like that, though.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 4:18:15 PM
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I signed that one petition for PS3 RPGs a long time ago even though I am confident it would have NO effect, but by God the Judas's were gonna hear of it anyway.

I'm not retarded, I don't think a boycott would do a damn thing either. But ya know what? This rhetoric is INSULTING, exclusives are dead? Yeah, except when it comes to SE's new anal-dart buddy. Just MAN UP and admit it when you screwed someone over. Everthing that guy said would be a perfect response, but only if the question is "What is the most asinine thing you could say to PS3 owners who had faith in you?"

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Joe_III
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 5:39:54 PM
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Squenix hasn't really ever cared about its consumers or consoles -- well, maybe they happen to have a soft spot for Nintendo. It put lots out for the PS2 because the PS2 was so heavily dominating.

It's leaning towards the 360 right now because it's slightly ahead against Sony.

But in some ways, he's right. Remember it was the head of EA or some other huge western dev that was calling out for an open console platform last year. Devs would love that kind of thing.

And if you have ever seen me on the forums (or when I was a little less calm, and speaking of which, when are the forums coming back???), you would know I would be happy to promote consumer advocation, a boycott would most likely not work the way you want it to. If you want Squenix to bring more to the PS3 and bring it to the PS3 first, you have to make them understand 2 things:

1. Games will be more profitable on the PS3 than other consoles.
2. That the effort/reward ratio is high enough that they should make one good version on your console and none on the others.

But the sad fact is that Squenix has kinda been on the decline for the past 6 years or so (especially when you look at US games alone), and multiplatting is a good way for them to sell the most possible while their name is still worth something.

If you look at Wiki's list of Squenix games for the future, I count only 4 coming to the US (3 to real consoles). 1 for 360, 1 for PS3, and 1 multiplat.

And quite frankly, I've gotten somewhat tired of the FF series. And while I was excited for Star Ocean, after playing Infinite Undiscovery I'm not so sure about that one. (I mean Edge Mavrick, really???)

Sure these quotes are somewhate abrasive, but really its more about Squenix trying to show themselves as the forward looking geniuses they used to be, not the junky has beens they are.

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MetalHead09
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 6:39:23 PM

joe i respectfully dissagree, i really think a boycott would work or even just dont buy their game until they do something and im not saying give us a better game, how about just give us ff13 since its pretty much done and the 360 version only just started. dont you remember they said they wont start on the 360 version until the ps3 version is done and then we still have to wait while micrjunk dont have to wait, they get the timed excusives and its crap so if we just dont buy any games from them they wont be able to support the finacial strain ispecially if we skip ff13 so at least we should somehow get them to give us the ff13 finished game and make microjunk wait for a change. sorry if microjunk is uncalled for but im just irritated by square and i think we should let them know somehow.

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LightShow
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 8:17:18 PM

a boycott would only work if you had the backing of a huge organization, i.e. the Democratic Party.

Boycotts used to work well because he markets were much smaller back in the day. Now the market is global, and to get the effectiveness seen in past year you would need a global effort, which seems highly unlikely to me.

not to discourage. you could be the one to organize the whole thing, idk. I'm just saying it isn't gonna just happen out of a bunch of wishful thinking.

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Riku994
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 5:53:38 PM
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So basically we're f'ed, and we're never getting SE exclusives after FFv13, and god that pisses me off because KH3 should be exclusive, it started exclusive and it should continue that way! Sure it's still gunna be awesome but I bet it's gunna take up 3+ discs on the 360, just like that SE game for the 360...the name is eluding me right now, but that aside, I think the FF and KH series should continue on exlcusive, great, make other series exlusive on the 360, but make more multiplat games instead of shoving then all on an INFERIOR console.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 7:43:24 PM

I think the above quotes tell us all that Versus will be multi-plat too, they are getting ready to soften the blow.

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Riku994
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 8:02:23 PM

Lost oddysey, thats the game I was thinking of. And that's what i was thinking too, and that sucks because MS fanboys are getting more reasons to rub s*** in our faces.

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Deleted User
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 9:12:30 PM

@ riku lost odyssey wasnt developed by se. That was Mistwalker

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Daedusian
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 12:06:56 PM

If KH3 is multi, fine. BUT if they freaking lower the quality and amount of crap b/c its going to the 360, I will FLIP!

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 6:23:18 PM
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Im gonna feel morally GUITLY for buying FF13. These A-holes are hypocrites and I can't stand them anymore...

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BigBoss4ever
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 6:32:37 PM
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The "that time is already over..." statement from Square-Enix is totally F***ing BS. I am more pissed than ever upon hearing this kinda statement as if the CEOs have already forgotten where Square was rooted and how they suceeded in the past and as if they just woke up from a dream and all of sudden forgot all wut happened before. I concur with one of the earlier posting by another fan here that "the CEO of current Square should be fired and they need to hire someone like Sakaguchi back to restore the true Square's glory in the past.

OK, multi-platform is the way to go, so where is the game on PS3? The last remnant? -- not coming yet; Star Ocean 4? not having any date yet; Infinite Undiscovery? forget about it; wuts more? Those Square top heads are filled with money money money and nothing else at all. This is how they piss off fans of Squares, RPG fans and PS loyalists.

P.S. I usually do not bash anyone or any party, or do not say any harsh words, however, I cant bear any more this kinda of attitude from Square, asif saying "hey, we did nothing wrong, you should have already known this is the case, so why making noise out there, this is the way to go." full BS.

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MetalHead09
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 6:44:18 PM

so for real guys lets come up with a way to make square listen somehow, and dont tell me this crap about there isnt anyway to make them because im sure there HAS to be. we gotta do something. im sick of being treated like shit by the very people we supported for 2 whole generations and now were getting pissed on.


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BigBoss4ever
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 9:11:45 PM

concur, if there is any sort of formal pepition or anything agaist this insulting attitude, count me in!

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shaydey77
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 6:55:09 PM
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When a company has to release statements to back up a lot of statements and to defend themselves..people know theres something wrong.SE are in in for the money plain and simple.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 7:49:55 PM
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I think the pitiful sales on 360 will probably take care of it for us.

As far as FFXIII goes, whether you like or hate FF the fact is the players get involved and play for LONG periods of time, do you know what happens to a 360 that's played for hours on end? It burns the hell out! SE games will brick so many systems it'll be funny.

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Riku994
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 8:04:51 PM

No, I think he's onto something. Unfourtunately, this is just gunna boost 360 sales because people are gunna rush out and buy new ones.

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Deleted User
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 7:58:42 PM
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The Last Remnant is Awesome!!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 10:03:15 PM

Is there a lot of strategy?, cuz thats an RPG killer for me. Disgaia level strategy I couldn't deal with, but Arc the Lad type I could, if that helps set the bar for my question.

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Deleted User
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 1:45:44 AM

yes its a very complex game. its like controlling multiple parties at once

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LightShow
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 8:20:57 PM
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meh, they're just waving it in front of our faces now.

They'll over play their hand eventually, i'm just hoping it happens sooner rather than later. This is a bubble i would prefer burst prematurely...

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karneli lll
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 8:49:52 PM
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i'd love 4 last remnant to be released around the same time as WKC. As for boycotting, last remnant seems to be a plausible choice,what say ye?

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MetalHead09
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 2:18:51 AM

ill skip it

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AntDC
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 8:55:02 PM
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F*** this. Yet more money obsessed comments from Square-Enix. If Kindgom Hearts 3 and Final Fantasy versus XIII go multi-plat I'm gonna be pissed. If SE actually made a decent exclusive title, you'd reap the rewards. Take MGS4 for example, best selling PS3 game, made by a third-party dev. This is just a lazy approach by SE. You made a point Ben by saying that "It makes no sense to boycott great games", but the games could be so much better if they were made with the PS3s hardware specs in mind. If they keep doing this, were gonna get multiplat games that are going to be virtually similar to it's Xbox 360 version, and this is just gonna be holding back the power of PS3.

I bought my PS3 thinking that I'd be able to buy games which take full advantage of the PS3s power and Blu-ray disc space. Releasing more and more games multi-plat is just holding the Playstation back.

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BigBoss4ever
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 9:15:40 PM

absolutely agree!

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LightShow
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 10:06:07 PM

i also share the sentiment. what use is all that octane if in house devs are the only ones to use it?

it seems reminiscent of the fact that the only games worth buying on the Wii are nintendo titles...

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AntDC
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 3:29:36 AM

True that, though it kinda makes me thankful that Sony are producing a lot more first party games now. Although the PS3 could do with some 3rd-Party love. Bring on WKCs.

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Joe_III
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 10:18:48 PM
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You know, if you really wanted to do something to show Squenix you're serious, there are steps to take. Here are some of them.

Get everyone with dual consoles to not buy 360 versions of game and get the PS3 versions. Do that for multiplats and timed exclusives. That will show se that PS3 games will sell better. This has to be done on a large scale though. This would be much more effective than a boycott, and it takes about the same effort.

F them over on reviews. Only 2% of the people who jacked spore up online actually purchased the game, and yet it got EA of all companies to change their policy, and it got a lot of other pubs to announce softer DRM measures. Register on IGN, metacritic, amazon, gamefaqs, gamestop, and any other place that takes user reviews and hammer them.

See if you can get some media on your side. Granted CNN isn't going to take this seriously, but there are probably a number of gamign sites that might. Ben can call them up and try to get an interview, altho someone from a larger site will probably get more attention. No offense Ben, but this site is kinda tiny compared to the big sites out there.

Another thing you could do is try direct contact. I'm not talking retarded online petitions or ineffectual emails that get filtered, but postal or phone. It's hard for you kids to believe, but those are the forms of contacts that businessmen actually respect. Call up se's general hq's, or if you can, get the contact info for the head boss or their secretary.

Shoot, I'll help get you started with these numbers. Try calling them near when important stuff is going to happen (like right after they put out a press release or a month before a release date) so they can't risk changing their numbers anytime soon. Here's some PR contacts a quick search got me:

Squenix Inc:
Felice Wu / Kumiko Hakushi @ +1 310 846 0400

Squenix Euro:
Alex Huhtala & Charlotte Fraczek can probably be contacted at their general number: +44 (0)20 7324 5223
Raul Nieto Garcia can be contacted at: +44 (0) 20 7324 5259


Remember kids, activism is good. Shouting out your collective impotence isn't. You want to think like MLK/Ghandi, not like PETA.

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BigBoss4ever
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 12:46:59 AM

excellent idea!!! I wrote down the phone number already.

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MetalHead09
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 12:56:50 AM

hey not a bad idea and i just had a thought, news channel nine here in NY has a your stories thing that they do and if you call them up with an interesting enough story they will interview you and even do some research and phone calls by them selves to find out what the deal is and something like this might be an interesting enough story for a change of pace for them yuh know? im totally qriting those phone numbers down. but right now what do we say over the phone to start, we dont want to sound like morons when we try this?

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Wage SLAVES
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 7:26:40 PM

Joe. Ive got a new found respect for you..

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isaya85
Thursday, November 20, 2008 @ 10:49:22 PM
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Ok Im tired of this Enix bs just give me level 5 please already

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 12:55:23 AM
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...any chance of just returning to the good ol' days of Squaresoft on the PS1?

No?

'sob'

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MetalHead09
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 1:30:03 AM

hey ben your more familiar with calling devs and trying to find out stuff so give us some ideas of what to say or ask please.

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AntDC
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 3:26:16 AM

I'm with you that Ben. I popped Star Ocean: The Second Story into my PS3 the other day and started playing, and I got this sick feeling at the bottom of my stomach.

It was the realization that the best of JRPGs are virtually over. ;(

Here's hoping WKCs doesn't disappoint.

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Arvis
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 12:32:00 PM

AntDC,

Funny, I did the exact same thing, two weeks ago, with Star Ocean: the Second Story.

*sigh*

-Arvis

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Orvisman
Saturday, November 22, 2008 @ 12:01:55 PM

@Ben,

I'm with you. I have every Square, Enix, SquEnix game on the PS1/PS2 imported from Japan, as well as some U.S. version duplicates (the RPGs) because I could never wait. I was a huge importer at one time. Looking to get back into it.

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MetalHead09
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 10:07:06 AM
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i just got to thinking, if were gonna do something then we need to be organized, there is strength in numbers and if we ALL start sending them letters demanding explanations or something, or ALL of us tie up their phone lines trying to get answers, <(examples) but if we do something like that we have to do it organized and constantly. massive amounts of gamers would have to do this at the same time all the time until we get their attention and like i said those are just examples that could work but im just mostly saying we have to act together all at once in order for something to happen.

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MetalHead09
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 1:31:40 PM

also youtube is a great thing because its a world wide no barriers thing so people from all over the world would see it, oh and we can even start email chains with a link to the video/s and send them out to everyone and their mother lol seriously.

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Joe_III
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 12:12:40 PM
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Atta boy metal. There's usually forums where you can plan these types of things, but the one here is still down... *cough cough*

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MetalHead09
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 1:29:45 PM

we gotta work together here though so start poppin out ideas on ways that we can get gamers in on all this. maybe if we all scour other forums and comment sites and there is also youtube, if someone makes a respectable video rallying up the gamer agains square enix and plaster it everywhere, we can even see if news stations would play it on the air for us but before we can do something like that we need to get organized and figure out what were gonna say, i already have some ideas but all of us need to do this, cant be a one man show. well hey just had a though why dont all of us make a protestant type video and as time goes on keep getting more and more gamers to stand with us. what do you think?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 12:40:01 PM
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I'm sorry guys, but Square-Enix isn't about to listen. A few gamers aren't going to alter their business model for the next five years, unfortunately.

Petitions only go so far, in my experience.

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MetalHead09
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 1:24:32 PM

comon ben we know you want change so all yuh gotta do is back us up and support the idea, its not like were asking you for money or anything.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 2:40:33 PM
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Oh, I support the idea. But I've been doing this long enough where I just don't think it's going to have any effect.

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Arvis
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 3:43:15 PM

Alas.

The least they could do, though, is not lie right to our faces. "THE FUTURE IS MULTIPLAT!! Er... right after we're done with these ten 360 exclusives..."

-Arvis

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 3:33:17 PM
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Yeah, even Spartacus got wiped out. Unless you can petition over a million, ain't nobody gonna listen.

"I am Spartacus"

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Joe_III
Friday, November 21, 2008 @ 4:59:40 PM
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bah you guys don't even need a million. Spore got rumphumped and changed their DRM policy over what? 2000 Amazon reviews? And all that would take is 500 people at the minimum.

If you guys really wanted to, it would be easy to do that again. Just 5 star all the PS2/PS3 games and 1 star all the xbox/360 games. Amazon won't pull them off, like Metacritic did over GoW2.

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Orvisman
Saturday, November 22, 2008 @ 12:08:38 PM
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Maybe a better idea is to take a page from TV fans -- like those that sent tons of Tobasco bottles to save Roswell or nuts to save Jericho -- and bombard them with millions of some item specific to a SquEnix game. Any ideas? Maybe a crystal?

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Elfen-Lied
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 3:40:57 PM
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Ok lets do it!
email me and keep me in the loop
cody-v-rag@hotmail.com
SE is going down! (Even though I love them with every fiber of my being :) )

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xXxSeTTriPxXx
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 3:05:44 AM
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well from a business stand point it makes since
,since the dev cost is so high for tipple a titles these days,they have to move unit's as best they can,or their well be no more of the franchises we love.i don't mind multi platform releases,as long as it keeps my favorite franchises in rotation,I'm good.but SE hasn't been fair to the ps3 owners.the very same ppl who put them on the map.i understand,they're trying to targeting a new demographic.but in doing so square enix,is putting the very ppl that supported them,on the back burner.this i don't agree with,i have both systems,and the love that the 360 is getting from jrpg dev,over the ps3 is staggering.thank god Sony has the best 1st party dev teams in the industry,or thing's might look bleak for them,as my mane reason for buying a ps3 was for great rpg's,and i know a lot of gamer feel the same way i do.oh and white night chronicles well shock the world.

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