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Is Blu-Ray The PlayStation 3's Ultimate Determining "X Factor?"

At first, many industry journalists didn't quite acknowledge the impact the Blu-Ray format will have on video games; we only saw it from the high-definition and movie angle. Essentially, once Blu-Ray trounced HD-DVD, the PS3 became the only video game console that would support true high-definition movies.

But then, that 50GB space on Blu-Ray began to come into the limelight a little more. The naysayers would make fun of it, saying it was already "out-dated" when Konami and Kojima almost jammed it full with Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. But we could always fire back, "yeah, how many DVDs would you need for a 360 version? 6?" Then, Sony said they used about 43 gigs of space for LittleBigPlanet (the one big reason why it'll never come to the Store, by the way), and just recently, people have noticed that Square-Enix's The Last Remnant is - perhaps not surprisingly - a multi-DVD game for the Xbox 360. It will eventually come to the PS3 and of course, it'll only take up one Blu-Ray disc, which has prompted further discussion regarding Final Fantasy XIII. We know it'll be headed to the 360 as well as the PS3, but how many DVDs will Square-Enix need...? The point is, as the generation progresses, developers will want to do more and more with any platform, and the PS3 already has the edge in terms of raw processing power. But it seems very much like Blu-Ray is going to play a major role in this advancement.

We're not saying DVD will fall tomorrow - clearly, Blu-Ray has a long way to go before it becomes the choice of the majority - but for game devs, who seek to push the envelope all the time, Blu-Ray appears to offer far more than what amounts to an outdated format in this day and age.

11/23/2008 Ben Dutka

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The_Vandelizer
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 10:34:32 PM
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True Very True

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 10:38:27 PM
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Indeed it seems more necessary to have blu-ray for games than it does for movies in many people's minds. A lot of folks are still waiting on further price reductions for blu-ray movie players.

On a semi-related tangent:
I've been surfing today and noticed the abysmal status of The Last Remnant due to technical issues; most are blaming the 360. Now, usually the crappy old unreal engine runs better on 360 so I'm a little worried, but it's entirely possible that forcing that active a game to work on 360 is what destroyed the framerate and caused the pop-ins in the first place. Also I think it was rushed out the door to meet with M$ timed exclusivity deal. I REALLY hope they are able to solve these issues on the PS3 version so we can actually have the superior game. Me no own no 360 so haven't played but it's lookin rough. Like Squeenix is giving death rattles.

What do you guys think of it's problems and bad reviews?

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Qubex
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 10:47:34 PM

Typically, if it is cross-platform it has the potential to be problematic! Poor bastards!

Q!

"i Am HomE'

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AntDC
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 10:52:25 PM

Hmm I dunno half of me wants to laugh in SEs face and tell them that "karma's a bitch". The other half of me's dissapointed that SE have released a game that's not quite on par with their previous games... at least with the whole timed-exclusive thing though it gives them a chance to iron out any kinks, and they better do that for the PS3 version.

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Daedusian
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 11:07:53 PM

I think they will iron out the issues for the PS3 version... lol. I'm trying to be positive here.

But maybe this will show M$ the pressure they are putting on dev's shoulders when they demand a game early? The fact that it will have its fair share of flaws because the game is being pushed out so quickly. But, meh, this will go right over their heads like nothing ever happened. ZZZerooooom!!

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coverton341
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 10:29:29 AM

I am just keeping my fingers crossed that this is not a foreshadowing of what we can expect to see out of FFXIII and FFvXIII

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Qubex
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 10:46:40 PM
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I think it would have been interesting to collected statistics on reasons why people would want a PS3. I believe the over arching reason is to play "next generation" games, but hey, you get a blu ray player with the console to boot.

What may be manifesting now is that people who may have not felt it to be the primary reason to own a PS3 initially, may now think it is a great Blu Ray player as well as being a great games machine. I think there are two distinc camps here, and the Blu Ray player capabilities of the PS3 will sit as either a primary reason or secondary reason, depending in which category one falls in.

For me it was both, both reasons were equally important to me. On the game playing side it is only in recent months that I have felt the Playstation 3 is shaping up to what was promised, however I think there is a way to go. If Killzone 2 is anything to go by, together with other AAA titles on the horizon, "next generation" has truly come home.

Blu Ray movies are still too costly to own at the minute, so my cash will go to games... about 3-4 a year, that is what I am aiming for, and only games that score 8.5 and above depending on the genre!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Daedusian
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 11:16:02 PM

Totally agree. BD's have been way too expensive for me to purchase, mainly due to my greater interest in gaming, but have been buying my fav action movies on BD now. I feel that it just makes more sense to do so rather than getting EVERY movie/show that you like on blu ray. Just a few examples, I have the Die Hard Series on blu ray as well as Transformers.

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Aftab
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 11:40:41 PM

Agreed. Though this year, I did slip the average by a couple (6: lbp, mgs4, gta4, r2, gears2, deadspace, wohd).

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Qubex
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 12:49:54 AM

I am finding it difficult to not tempt myself in buying games unnecessarily; the problem is too purchase a fair number of games that you can play to the end.

Cost per game = per hour value; it needs to make economic sense if one is playing games rather than spending 30 dollars or more at the movies for 2 hours of entertainment (if that) and a bit of food.

So far I see the value, and to make it worth while, reading in-depth reviews at PSX Extreme does of course help with that decision making process...

I would have bought Dead Space and one or two more, but I am holding back to add to my PSP purchase for Christmas; now that is value... a gadget like that instead of 3 full priced PS3 games!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Aftab
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 9:59:54 AM

Well, if you fly a lot as you implied in another post, the psp will be a worthy purchase. However, if you can, I suggest you squeeze in for Dead Space. Just got it a couple days, ago. Very atmospheric, highly underrated. I am definitely enjoying the single-player more so than either R2 or Gears2. To be fair, unlike Resistance or Gears, if there was a sequel to DS, I wouldn't be interested as I was with the other ones, only because the game is all about not knowing what's around the corner. Also, it does not have mp, and is solely built around the single-player...

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sabitrulz
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 11:03:34 PM
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PS3 Pros:
1)Extremely Reliable
2)Cell's Raw Processing Power
3)Blu-Ray[50GB space]
4)Sexiest looking AV-Hardware ever made
5)Sony's In House Exclusives

XBOX-360 Pros:
1)GFX Chip that works on Direct-X
2)GFX Chip that supports Unified Shedder
3)Gears Of War and Halo
4)Backed up by a bag full of bucks

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GoldenShadow
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 8:24:18 AM

Another 360 bonus that I would like is its music playing abilities that are backed up with the Zune. Another PS3 pro is its ability to sync up so well with the PSP

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Scarecrow
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 11:07:06 PM
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DVD was a bonus for the ps2(it definitely helped)
BR is and will continue to be a big bonus for the ps3.

Even more when TVs go fully digital(HD).

The movie companies are PUSHING blu-ray in a big way lately more than ever. Seen a run of "get blu-ray and enjoy high-def" commercials lately.

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Aftab
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 11:36:40 PM
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Regarding the customer base, bluray is definitely a consideration for the more mature cross-section. As for the larger demographic, adolescents and younger adults, not so much... They are not the ones purchasing thousand dollar hd-tv's. And if one could run a poll, I bet my bottom dollar that the tally would show that the majority of these gamers would not know the difference between 1080i and 1080p, or bluray and blue-tooth, for that matter! Those are the demographic whom the multiplatform initiatives aim to nab at. As for the direction of the industry, it will continue to be led by the select and stifled few: Ted Price and his boys at Insomniac, Kojima-San, Yamauchi-San, etc... You'll hear from them that the current gen of tech is never sufficient. Unfortunately, pushing quality doesn't always sell and is often a thankless job. So they are some who persist in that direction. While others, like SE, will do what is in their best monetary interest. But who knows, Rockstar showed that you can win the best of both worlds.

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Riku994
Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 11:37:47 PM
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In response to the FF13 thing Ben, I'm guessing it's going to take 4+ DVDs on the 360. Lost Oddysey took up 4, and I'm guessing FF13 is gunna be bigger than LO... So, what happens if it takes up MORE than a Blu ray disc?

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Zorigo
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 2:19:48 AM

trust me, thats what they're al wurkin on.

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karneli lll
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 12:21:26 AM
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@Scarecrow
I dont think digital n hd are the same thing.

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LightShow
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 10:28:54 PM

it actually has a lot more to do with the actual signal and how it's processes, not necessarily what the quality of the signal is.

analog is like a guy with a marker reading instructions like "red dot, then blue dot, then red, then green..." etc. It works fine for SD signals and you dont need any computing power to analyze it. the problem is, the more pixels you put into the equation, the longer it takes to render the picture, and the lower your framerate is. This makes it unacceptable for HD formats.

now a digital signal is like the one a computer uses, it's a VERY fast sequence of 1s and 0s. If you have a newer tv, then your TV has the computational power to take this binary code and translate it into the picture you want to see. Because the code is relatively simple, you can dedicate one frequency to reds, one to blues, (and so on), so that, instead of having just one signal (analog), you have multiple signals. This makes it much easier to use with HD formats, especially at high framerates.

so, in short, the quality ceiling is much higher for a digital signal, but the word "digital" doesn't mean HD.

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Zorigo
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 2:18:48 AM
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that is shy ps3 succeeds. if bluray ever hit 360, ps3 would need a new advantage. and quite frankly i dont care, but i prefer ps3 to be on top. if the console i have is being used by devs, then i get better games and prephirals.

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millermayhem
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 2:29:04 AM
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I bought the PS3 as a BD player, It is now my main console. As for Blu-ray...

It will be more popular than Laserdiscs (I wrote off VHS in 1994) but DVD will remain the main stay. I am currently working in a store that rents and sells books, movies and games. The average customer does not care about blu ray. They see it every day and it does not effect them personally so it is dismissed. I have met numerous people who do not know if they own a HD set! I have spent 5 years as a theater manger/projectionist and had went to a broadcast tech college. I calibrate my own set... CRT... convergence and stuff. I am on a budget but I don't mess around. and joe sixpack is ignorant of Bluray.

THEN.. the DBS satellites ( I was also a DirecTV tech) and the crummy bitstream (half of bluay and HD-DVD output) gives that darn macroblocking when the action hits. Nobody seems to care. boggles my mind.

as of digital tv vs analog. Japan had a HD analog back in the 80's or so. Digital can look like junk also. remember quicktime back in 1995?
even the current broadcast from sat and cable companies. I have seen analog that would beat DVDs down. This came as the source of a 100k broadcast camera. Anyways you get the idea. The general public has just spent the last decade buying the movies on DVD from VHS. The upscaling DVD players do a commendable job. enough that the cost of Bluray does not justify the means of upgrading. bluray will remain a niche market in home theatre.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 3:40:31 AM

Thanks for saying "Joe six pack" and not "Joe the plumber"

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 10:22:45 AM

You need to look forward a bit. Of course the average customer doesn't care; just like the average customer didn't care - or even know about - DVD when it first came out to challenge VHS.

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NEWCL0UD
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 2:40:32 AM
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more the 4 discs would be horrible imo if u lose a disc ur screwed (then again if u lose the BR disc ur 100% f**ked!!)

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the_importer
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 5:45:03 AM
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If 360 gamers are willing to tolerate the RROD, I somehow doubt that swapping disk troubles them.

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FLYING_APE
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 7:33:24 AM
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HD is the next big thing like dvd was.Everything is in hd now

internet porn is in hd
gameing websites like ign and gametrailers
movies
next gen games
tv channels

BD is the next dvd belive me just because it's not selling like wii doesn't mean it's a epic fail.

Also if last remnant is multi dvd, final fantasy 13 will be on 4 discs. Microsoft are paying for development costs and multi dvd costs. Thats why square enix decided to port to xbox 360.

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Sir Shak
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 7:36:38 AM
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i think about a year down the line we would see games come on more than 1 BD.
frankly i wouldnt mind that happening cause i want the best games to look as good as possible.
imagine GOWIII in 1080p native running on 60fps.swapping a disc once in the whole game isnt a problem for me.i would like devs really push the limits.

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Memphis
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 8:03:23 AM
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Yeah, BD is seriously a big X factor for the PS3. Personally, I just can't wait for this:
"TDK has announced a prototype Blu-ray disc that can store a massive 200 GB of data. The single-sided, six layer disc can store up to 18 hours of high definition video."

Now THAT would change the face of gaming!

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MetalHead09
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 10:25:54 AM

hell yes it would

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coverton341
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 10:40:10 AM

the only problem with the 200gb BDs is that you cannot utilize them with a firmware upgrade alone yet. They have in fact got a 120GB BD that you can utilize with a firmware update though wo it makes me wonder why we haven't seen this yet on the PS3

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CH1N00K
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 8:11:28 AM
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I think it would be great to see the first Multi-Disc Blu Ray game. Do you guys remember FFVII being on 4 discs? It was a huge game that had some amazing FMV and gameplay for it's time. Now imagine a 4 disc BluRay game.....It would be a long game, but think of the gameplay quality! I don't know if it will ever happen, but I hope so. I'm willing to pause for a couple minutes to switch discs to see that kind of quality.

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MetalHead09
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 10:24:44 AM

FFVII was 3 dincs, FF8 nad 9 were 4 disc but yes i feel the same way, even just a 2 disc game would be colossal, massive and epic if its done right.

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CH1N00K
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 10:45:03 AM

LOL, Thanks for the correction, I'm going to have to go back and look at my game cases again...

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MetalHead09
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 8:44:46 AM
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now to say that because kojima filled a disk its outdated is totally wrong, i remember reading an interview with kojima a few years ago and he said that he ALWAYS does everything that he possibly can on a disk. so mgs2 and mgs3 should be just as full as the BD. i love kojima and his games because he dont let anything go unfinished, if theres enough space left on a disk to do something else he'll fill it.

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LightShow
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 10:36:09 PM

Leave it to Kojima to take a disc thats 8 times as big as the DVD he's used to working with and STILL fill the sucker up...

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karneli lll
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 9:25:43 AM
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Sony definately thought about the future rather than the present. The wii might hit a dead end once the hype dies coz convincing the casual gamer to buy a wii 2 will be a problem. The 360's future also looks bleak right now.


ps1 - Cds..... ps2- Dvds..... ps3- Blu ray..... ps4- the next best thing!

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CH1N00K
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 10:22:22 AM

I'm still betting on PS4 being all HDD. No disc drive. In 8 years (Sony's predicted PS3 lifespan) the majority of Sony's current customers will be all on Highspeed/DSL internet. With everyone becoming more environmentally conscious, Advertising, that with an HDD, you've cut back huge on Packaging will be a major selling point to the "green" consumer. I wouldn't be suprised if we see a multiple TeraByte Hard drive. Sure terabyte's are just getting more popular now, but in 8 years time?

As for counting out Nintendo and 360? I wouldn't yet. Keep in mind that Sony is still struggling right now agains M$. Sure the 360 has problems, but they've also got a better marketing team. And rumours already out that a new M$ X-Box is already in the works...They'll have a few years of lead time and sales on the next Sony Product.

And Nintendo has always found a spot in the market to hang out in. They won't fade away just yet. Although it will be interesting to see how they do in the next gen consoles. Up until now the people that grew up playing Nintendo were buying Nintendos for their kids. Now though, there are a lot more young parents that grew up playing PS1 and X-BOX instead of Nintendo....What system they buy for their kids will be affected by what they know. But the Wii is doing really well, and there are going to be a lot of kids now, who will have fond memories of playing Wii with their Grandparents...a concept that was unheard of 5-10 years ago. So it's all going to come down to: When it comes time to chose a brand to buy...where will your loyalties lie?

Myself? I've always been happy with the Sony brand, and as long as my PS3 is as reliable as my PS2 was and my PS1...I'll be buying a PS4 as well....And although I don't have any kids yet, who knows in 8 years time, I might have a good start of raising another Sony Minion...

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Odd Child
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 3:06:29 PM

Yea, thinking towards the future is good but comes with a cost.

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sabitrulz
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 11:47:08 AM
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CH1N00K,U r right,i heard dat it's known as Xbox-monalisa,based on ati rv870 and ibm power pc 2 and the launch tittle will be Halo4,under developement of gearbox software.

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 1:39:58 PM
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I just hate how people said Sony was forcing the Tech down our throats while they knew well before hand that this format could easily be used in the quality of our games...THANKS SONY!!!!

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tlpn99
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 2:18:11 PM
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Swapping disks doesn't bother me. I normally use that as a rest break anyway specially if I have been playing for a while, quick break then come back fresh for the 2nd disk etc.
No hardship is it.

I have yet to get a film on blu ray though, I still have all of my videos and not even upgraded them to dvd.

Imagine the game thats gonna be so awesome on the PS3 it takes 2-3 blu ray disks or even that alleged 200 gb one. Now that will be a decent game :)

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Odd Child
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 3:09:33 PM

Yea, same here still only have dvds and 1 Blu-ray disc a friend gave me, to me the price for disc isn't worth it, the quality I have to say is way better though. The only blu-ray reading my ps3 dose is playing games :)

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Jed
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 8:56:00 PM

I was kind of angry when I had to wait for multipule installs for MGS4. After all the hollabaloo about not having to switch discs, I would rather switch discs than wait for the installs.

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Dingodial
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 2:33:47 PM
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Blu-ray has almost no limitations. The only problem is that only rich people can burn their stuff onto it- a computer that can write on blu-ray can cost at least $700!

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LightShow
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 10:32:33 PM

you could get a $200 cheapo computer than stick a $150 BD drive in it.

that half price!

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bearbobby
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 3:58:21 PM
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When I first bought my PS3 a friend of mine who owns an 360 took it upon himself to point out that BD's were too expensive and he would hate to have to repurchase his entire dvd collection.

I'm sure he brought that up to take a quick jab at my console choice cause at the time a lot of people were playin the "I'm anti-sony and sooo cool" role, and I'm sure a lot of people out there think the same thing. Now I can't tell people how to spend their money, but I can tell you how I will spend mine. I won't replace my dvd collection. Why? because there's no reason. The PS3 upscales dvd images well enough to not warrent any replacement.

It's not the same as the transition from VHS to DVD as Blu-ray drives can obviously still play the older discs. It might be old tech, but certainly not completely obsolete.

However I am more than willing to purchase a new movie on Blu-ray if the movie earns that honor, as most new movies are filmed in such a way as to maximize the viewing potential and bring the best experience possible.

Also the type of film definitely plays into the choice of medium as well. Movies with a lot of cgi, usually Sci-fi, fantasy, or all those wonderful Pixar films truely shine on Blu-ray. Other film genres don't really benefit too much from the improved resolutions, I personally wouldn't spend money for films like Superbad or The Departed on BD but for films like Iron Man or Transformers Blu-ray is the way to go.

Sorry, long rant.

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Jed
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 8:53:22 PM

I cant wait for the Dark Night on BD

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bearbobby
Tuesday, November 25, 2008 @ 3:31:44 PM

Heh, I hear ya man, Dark Night on Blu-ray is so on my list to Santa this year ;)

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Jed
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 8:51:31 PM
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I think the PS3 will keep Blu-Ray going until the majority of the population catches on.

BD now is much like DVD was in the beginning. It is a little expensive now, but all the movie studios are signed on, and it's only a matter of time until it takes over.

Am I old if I can remember the transition from VHS to DVD?

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Dingodial
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 9:29:01 PM

That can also be vise-versa (Blu-ray is partly responsible for making PS3 such a hit).

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CH1N00K
Tuesday, November 25, 2008 @ 8:51:04 AM

WHat if you remember the BATA, VHS Battle? How old does that make you? lol

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LightShow
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 10:34:15 PM
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shoot man, i'd hate to see it happen, but IF m$ ends up dominating, I can't see the playstation sinking into oblivion. Too many people hate M$ and love sony.

who knows? Apple/Sony alliance??

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millermayhem
Tuesday, November 25, 2008 @ 2:36:19 AM

http://www.lafcpug.org/images_feature_macworld05/sjobs.jpg

http://arstechnica.com/images/mwsf2005/03_sony_guy.jpg

it has been known to happen before.

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CH1N00K
Tuesday, November 25, 2008 @ 8:52:38 AM

I agree, there still needs to be competition. If it gets down to 1 console and a monopoly in the game industry, the rest of us gets screwed. Competition keeps the prices low and the innovations coming.

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AceTatsujin
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 10:39:53 PM
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bad ass man! sweet article.

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aV muse
Sunday, November 30, 2008 @ 6:05:03 AM
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I just love how people call MS, M$. What about we call Sony, $ony. On topic, BD will destroyed along with most other discs, if everyone gets a better internet connection because then everyone would prefer digital simply because it's easier to access.

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aV muse
Sunday, November 30, 2008 @ 6:05:14 AM
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I just love how people call MS, M$. What about we call Sony, $ony. On topic, BD will destroyed along with most other discs, if everyone gets a better internet connection because then everyone would prefer digital simply because it's easier to access.

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aV muse
Sunday, November 30, 2008 @ 6:05:32 AM
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I just love how people call MS, M$. What about we call Sony, $ony. On topic, BD will destroyed along with most other discs, if everyone gets a better internet connection because then everyone would prefer digital simply because it's easier to access.

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