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Can Sony Maintain PS3's Momentum?

If we look back on 2008 and start ticking off the top names of 2009, one will want to assume that the PlayStation 3 has the momentum. Not only does it have the obvious exclusive edge over Microsoft's Xbox 360, but it has several other factors going for it.

It's $200 cheaper than it was upon launch two years ago, the launch of the PlayStation Home open beta is scheduled for this month, Blu-Ray has won the HD movie war (and it's certainly the more preferable software format for games), the PlayStation Network and Store have taken gigantic strides, the machine is far more reliable than the 360, and yes, as we just said, the exclusives have really been impressive. We saw Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Resistance 2, Wipeout HD, SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Confrontation, Valkyria Chronicles, and LittleBigPlanet this year and we can expect Killzone 2, God of War III, Gran Turismo 5 (as recent evidence indicates), the recently unveiled Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, and Heavy Rain in 2009, along with Final Fantasy Versus XIII at some point. Sales are up, Network subscriptions are up, and finally, most third-party developers have gotten over their initial PS3 hang-ups that saw many poor 360-to-PS3 ports. Hence, we'd like to clearly conclude that the PS3 has snagged the momentum away from the competition at this point in time.

However, our big question is whether or not Sony can maintain this momentum. The exclusives will always act as great boosts to the machine's appeal factor, but Microsoft isn't likely to sit on their laurels and let the Network and the Store catch up and pass Xbox Live. Home is a problem for Microsoft as far as I'm concerned, and the free Network that continually receives significant updates is another issue, but the 360 may come with the exclusives in late 2009 and into 2010. Of course, we're all wondering if the 360 is essentially maxed out in terms of potential and what it can do, and at the same time, we wonder how much further the PS3 can go... Is all this Cell hype just more smoke and mirrors, or will we start seeing a significant gap between PS3 and 360 titles in terms of visuals? And what happens if Microsoft continues their policy of simply buying up third-party exclusives? Even if they're only timed exclusives (as was the case with Bioshock), it could pose a recurring problem for Sony, who doesn't believe in the practice.

But before, Microsoft didn't need quite as much money to bribe publishers to keep a game exclusive to the 360 for a while, simply due to the very low user base of the PS3. Now, with the gap very much narrowed, it makes little sense for any publisher to ignore the PS3 at the launch of a game...even Microsoft might not have deep enough pockets to lure a big publisher into timed exclusivity land again. Then again, Gears may be their ace in the hole; the Halo of this generation that insures that Microsoft will always be able to sell 360s. I can't predict the future so this is a legitimate question concerning Sony's current momentum, but I maintain that this momentum isn't an opinion at this point; it's a clear-cut reality.

12/1/2008 Ben Dutka

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Jed
Monday, December 01, 2008 @ 11:00:58 PM
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I really do think that the sony will maintain momentum into 2009. The phenominal line up of games from '08 will hold the platform up, and killer titles like Killzone 2 will set a new standard for all games.

FFXIII, even though multiplatform, will sell just as well, if not better on the PS3 than the 360. Heany Rain and Uncharted 2 will be beyond beautiful. The power of the PS3 will finally be realized, and I can't wait.

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wasim
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 12:00:54 AM

Ofcourse SONY can maintain and perhaps stimulate more momentum since SONY can cut PS3's price many times in the future unlike x360 which is already the same price as PS2s

SONY has an awesome lineup for 09
MAG, KZ2, HR, UNCHARTED 2, Ratchet 2(perhaps), GOW3, FF13,WKS, GT5-----for sure SONY will have an incredible momentum in sales in 09 and beyond

When KZ2 is launched there would be total chaos all over

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englishgolfer
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 12:59:02 PM

sounds like it's going to be a great year next year. just wondering if anyone has heard more about wardevil. it's meant to be coming 2009 aswell.
here's a link for the site and a trailer. at the end of the trailer it states that the game is coming next year. but i haven't heard too much recently. anyone know anything??

http://www.wardevil.com
http://www.wardevil.com/Teaser_01_08.htm

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MirrorSoul
Monday, December 01, 2008 @ 11:04:58 PM
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Dont worry Two games will NO DOUBT!!! Keep momentum for sony period GOD OF WAR 3 and a full Grand Tourismo 5. GoW3 will be epic point blank because the fame is up there around the world like Halo 3. And the whole European frontier is conquerd by G.T(Which we know they will gobble up, dont believe me look at consule sales when freaken G.T Prolouge released.)With games such as Uncharted 2 (The New TombRaider) and the now World Wide anticipated KillZone 2(Europe and America will gobble up with no remorse lol)PS3 will own next year like it did this year. XBOX has a weak line up with there major titles bieng Halo:OSTA and Allen Awake (I WANT TO PLAY IT BADLY) and really cant hold a candle to Sony.

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jerocarson
Monday, December 01, 2008 @ 11:06:03 PM
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killzone 2 will definately help keep the momentum and probably a simulteneous price cut with the release of K2.
Oops, Ben, you forgot to mention GOD OF WAR 3..


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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 12:36:08 AM

Yeah, have no idea why...just added it.

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karneli lll
Monday, December 01, 2008 @ 11:13:06 PM
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xbox is tapped out, apart from a 3 hour halo,what else?

During thanksgiving, my brother's wii was the star of the party and i watched as 3 other people (who really loved playing the game) buy their own wiis the next day.i'd hate to say it but the wii is unstoppable, slowing down ps3 momentum. Release dates are what Sony needs, "TBA 2009" is really not helping. inorder to keep momentum sony needs to fire/upgrade its marketing and advertising staff. i prefer the ads of the ps3 with pads n spiders and tentacles. and the LBP ads,dont get me started on those...

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isaya85
Monday, December 01, 2008 @ 11:16:06 PM
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I think with another price cut and more ads they'll be just fine

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chicko1983
Monday, December 01, 2008 @ 11:17:55 PM
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Has God of War 3 been given a tentative release date yet, like a month or year?

I read on Kotaku that Microsoft are claiming the Xbox 360 out sold the PS3 on a 3:1 basis this thanksgiving though. If this is true then you have to say that the Xbox360 clearly has some momentum as well.

But I'd like to think that the PS3s momentum will increase whereas they Xbox360s momentum will slow down in 2009. Surely it will...?

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Aftab
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 8:56:41 AM

"i read on Kotaku that Microsoft are claiming the Xbox 360 out sold the PS3 on a 3:1 basis this thanksgiving though"

I've also heard from quite a few sources the 360 "out broke" the PS3 by atleast a 1000:1 basis. Reportedly numbers were even higher during ThanksGiving due to people leaving their systems running during tryptophan induced sleep.

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Daedusian
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 2:50:51 PM

I'd really love to see a poll of the number of the true hardcore gamers (like all of us) vs. the casual. It just seems that we are getting trampled by the sheer amount of casual gamers day after day, and I truly believe it's a major factor why the PS3 isn't gaining as much ground as it should be. I know cost is the biggest factor, but I'd like to see the people who don't own one, that want one, etc. etc.

Because there's no doubt that 90% of PS3 owners are hardcore gamers whereas 360 the number is more like 50% or whatever. At least that's how I take it.

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Aftab
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 3:30:54 PM

Yes, that seems like a fair assessment. When a person wants to buy a ps3, we know that person has a preexisting and particular interest in gaming. However, due to extent of marketing and trends, that is not the case with the 360 or wii, atleast in the US. Seeing that the companies don't necessarily and directly profit off of system sales, I wonder who is actually profitting the most, worldwide. For example, the Wii has largest install base, but are they selling the most games, too?

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chicko1983
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 4:27:35 PM

@Aftab: FYI, also on Kotaku it was claimed that Nintendo actually makes about $6 off each Wii system sold, which is unlike the PS3 or Xbox360 which sell for a loss.

I definitly agree with the argument that the hardcore gamers own at least the PS3.
If you are a casual gamer and can get your kicks out of WiiSports or the like, then why wouldn't you buy a cheaper system (I have one for when my casual gamer friends come around)? However, most hardcore gamers are looking for a challenge and depth to their games - something which both the Xbox360 and PS3 can provide at the moment.
The hardcore gamers can also see that between the Xbox360 and PS3, the PS3 will have more exclusive games, a better diversity of game genres in its portfolio, and its a reliable system which won't break during marathon playtimes. These reasons make it more appealing than the Xbox360, in my opinion.

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Aftab
Wednesday, December 03, 2008 @ 1:30:50 AM

Agreed.

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Aftab
Wednesday, December 03, 2008 @ 1:30:50 AM

Agreed.

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AluShady
Monday, December 01, 2008 @ 11:19:58 PM
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Honestly I think the exclusives are going to keep the PS3 momentum alive. Nothing else really but the exclusives.

In all other aspects Microsoft has anywhere from a rather large to slight advantage (snagging DLC/Timed DLC, XBL in general).

I love PSN for what it is and I'm hyped to see how Home plays out, but right now it's still in an infancy stage with XBL on top here in the west.

That and I wish Sony would market things a bit better.

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Tatsujin
Monday, December 01, 2008 @ 11:27:02 PM
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Well.. We have the following games to look forward too; God of War 3, Heavy Rain, Killzone 2, (And from what ive been reading... Sony is looking into buying Level 5... The True Fantasy Live game or w.e was being talked about and how it was canceled for the 360 and why it was canceled... and now it's all coming back up.. seeing that WNK is coming out, and Level 5 will probably be bought by Sony... Looks like we have an RPG all over agian WITH FPS on its side) So all-in-all the PS3 will hold the momentum and more...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 01, 2008 @ 11:37:36 PM
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360 momentum is based solely on Gears1.5 and the cheap price. I don't have one but when it's free with a pack of smokes I'll pick one up.

The '09 lineup might just push the beast ahead, and as people said K2 and God of War 3 will be so epic that people will develop tricatillamania while waiting for them.

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Aftab
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 12:18:38 AM

LOL! Sorry, I laughed so hard, I accidentally gave myself a thumbs-up. But, it's all yours.

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aaronisbla
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 5:25:06 AM

people thinks it has good graphics...because it does.

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BigT_1980
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 7:16:10 PM

I know this site is geared toward the PlayStation brand. But why do we have to bash the 360 so much. Other than the reliability issues the 360 is a stellar console. It is still on par with the PS3 as far as graphics goes. We will start seeing it limitations shortly when comparing future first party games due to the media choice Microsoft made with the DVD Rom Drive. However up to this point the 360 is still on par with PS3 in the graphics department.

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somethingrandom
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 9:11:19 PM

You won't be able to say that in February '09. Killzone 2 has as many (or more) polygons in a soldier's face as the original had in a level.

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Thinker
Wednesday, December 03, 2008 @ 4:25:42 PM

Hey man,

Not to be a grammar/spelling nazi, but I think it's called trichotillomania :)

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QuasarSquirrel
Monday, December 01, 2008 @ 11:42:23 PM
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There were finally enough games out and exclusives (along with Blu Rays) on the horizon for me to feel quite justified and pleased in my recent PS3 acquisition. I see no reason to think that sales will slow. I can't wait for Killzone 2!

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Aftab
Monday, December 01, 2008 @ 11:43:39 PM
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The momentum is a clear-cut reality, no doubt. Ports treatment has seen a huge improvement. We got the best exclusives, and more on the way. And finally, heads are turning. At this point, even if it remains in 3rd place for next year or so (in terms of total install base), it does not matter to me, because it has solidified it's share of the market, which means we will continue to get the goods. Let's hope that Sony starts seeing returns, if they haven't, already.

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jerocarson
Monday, December 01, 2008 @ 11:44:29 PM
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for the momentum to continue, SONY needs to do something.
End those crappy advertisment...
Recreate and intensify their method of advertsiment. Even if it means laying off all the workers in the advert department.
yea! surley, 'HOME' will definately help keep the momentum.
Then probably set a playstation plant in AFRICA.

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somethingrandom
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 9:13:55 PM

I figure the type of videos they showed at E3 would make excellent advertisements.

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infekt
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 12:18:20 AM
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I think more than the software, Sony needs to focus on getting the price so that more people can get one into their homes. A larger install base generally means more sale of games and movies. Also a larger install base will mean more developers will be reluctant to develope exclusively for the 360 as they will be foregoing serious profit. PS3 games was an issue, not so much now. Sony needs to build the PSone and PSP online libraries too for us old fogies too. :)

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ZubraZap
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 12:55:46 AM
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What gets me is Microsoft nabbing exclusive content for killer-apps like Fallout 3 and Grand Theft IV. I feel left out as a PS3 user..

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FallenClyro
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 5:37:40 AM

Yeah I'm still bummed about that GTAIV DLC, it looks really good.

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Qubex
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 2:34:06 AM
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Seems there is a new firmware update, 2.53! Downloading it now!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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snglbck26
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 10:11:24 AM

Hey Ben,

Any mention on the firmware update? I downloaded it last night around 11:30pm EST while I was getting ready to play LBP on-line. I thought it had something to do with LBP at first but realized that didn't make sense. It was a short download....maybe fifteen minutes.

Thanks.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 10:21:17 AM

Nah, it's just an update for the Flash Player. You can check the official PlayStation blog; they posted details of firmware 2.53 over there. It's not too exciting.

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snglbck26
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 11:22:59 AM

Thanks Ben. I'm at work so try not to look around too many web sites....if you know what I mean.

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FLYING_APE
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 2:39:29 AM
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Sony need to adevertise that ps3 so little jimmy knows what it can do better then the xbox, which is alot better.

Sony need to sort out the psn with more smoother in game messaging and add in cross game voice chat.

sony will drop the price march next year and then from there on they will keep getting better. Final fantasy 13 is exclusive to ps3 in japan so that will get alot of japanes in to picking up the ps3. Also god of war 3, killzone 2 and grand turismo being the big hitters for 2009 ps3 will defiantly outsell the xbox.

Also white knight chronicle will be the first jrpg to have online play that should get all the jackie chans and jet lis into online play.

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ImBack
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 3:17:50 AM
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ps3 is for champions! no matter at what cost

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karneli lll
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 7:50:36 AM
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@aaronisbla
gears 2 has better great graphics? i watched soome recent trailers and im thinking; so-so, the graphics are good but not as great as everyone keeps saying they are.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 8:09:52 AM
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ps3 needs better advertisements.
ps3 needs more killer RPG.
white knight chronicles not enough.
ps3 price point not bad.

xbox has another killer rpg coming up in spring 09: star ocean4 which looks awesome

the betrayal of square enix will help xbox.
xbox gaining more momentun in japan.
letting ff13 going multiplatform is the ultimate mistake. they should of paid out square at least for that 1 game to be exclusive.

killzone2 is good but ps3 too focused on that 1 genre. ps3 still has a better lineup in 09 compared to xbox. with HOME coming out. ps3 can keep momentum.

ps3 can overkill 09 by releasing at least couple more RPGS.

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Arvis
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 1:32:08 PM

PS3 already has Disgaea 3 and Valkyria Chronicles as exclusives, on top of the future releases of White Knight and FFvsXIII. Not to mention we also got Eternal Sonata and will be getting Star Ocean 4 as well.

-Arvis

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AntDC
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 12:04:18 AM

Hmm I thought tar Ocean 4 was exclusive to 360? Have I missed something?

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kreate
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 8:20:41 AM
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another thing to think about that might make sony spend more money and make more games.

xbox360 outsold ps3 3:1 ratio over black friday weekend. reports of crapbox outselling ps3 week after week in europe. xbox becoming more appealing to japanese gamers. not cuz they love it, but cuz they are willing to spend 200 on a crapbox that might die but fun for the short moment.

i still love sony and ps3 way better than ms's crapbox. but sony needs to crack up the notch.

first half of the ps3 lineup is good. but i wonder how the last half of ps3 lineup would be in late 2009.

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AntDC
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 12:06:35 AM

Well by the sounds of it I think there's a few small games coming out at the end of 09 like Final Fantasy versus XIII and this game called Gran Turismo 5. I heard the previous Turismo's sold a few copies on the PS1 and 2 but I'm not positive on that...

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phade2blaq
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 8:41:24 AM
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I believe the PS3 can maintain but to further cement the deal Sony should at least drop the 80GB down to around $349 or lower ! Stand alone blu-ray players are now under $200 so Sony should be able to lighten the price a bit as the PS3 heads into its 3rd year.

With XBOX being sold for $199, that's an attractive offer for cash strapped or budget minded people. Sony needs to stay in line and drop the PS3 price !

I also believe Sony did a disservice to gamers by doing away with BC ! I still enjoy playing some of my PS2 games as well as my PS3 games.

If Sony can do those things, the PS3's future would be even brighter.

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Jut420
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 9:00:42 AM
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I think Sony can maintain their momentum especially with titles like Killzone 2, which seems to be making progress towards seperating PS3 titles visually from 360 titles. From what has been said about God of War 3, that games looks like it will surpass Killzone 2 visually. The only thing that can and is holding the PS3 back is the price. On Black Friday, I saw a woman go into Gamestop, look at the PS3's, saw that their was no sale, and she said nope, I can't get it, it's too expensive. If the rumored price drops occur in March, then there will be nothing holding the PS3 back. If they lower the price by $100 and they are only $100 more expensive than the cheapest 360, I think that is when we will start seeing the PS3 really gain ground and take the second place spot in terms of sales.

I think Microsoft really messed up getting rid of their first-party studios. I mean I think they did it so they could lower the price of the 360, but Software is what sells consoles and Sony has plenty of exclusive support in that department. I believe the only reason that Microsoft was able to nab up Gears of War as exclusive was because the system was out before the PS3 and Epic had already started developing the game for Xbox and they showed the game to Microsoft and they liked it. I could be totally wrong on that but if that really was the case, how many devs are going to be doing this now that the PS3 is out on the market? I don't see this happening at all the devs are small and don't have the resources to make games on both platforms, and if that is the case, I don't think those devs have the support and resources to make true AAA games, otherwise they would most likely just make multiplatform games. Again, this is just opinion and speculation so please don't interpret it as if I'm stating facts, it's just the way I see the industry developing.

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somethingrandom
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 9:22:05 PM

Microsoft bought the first two Gears of War titles before the first one came out. The third one should be on PS3.

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xtreme
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 9:17:49 AM
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Yes sony can maintain th momentum but they need to get some AD's out there! and not this low quality bull some decent eye catching AD's. I watch TV for a hour and I see genraly 5-6 Xbox360 AD's and like 1 Playsation AD and the Playstation AD is boring.

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Arvis
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 1:34:58 PM

Love your avatar... :)

-Arvis

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 9:27:12 PM

Man, that looks familiar...

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 03, 2008 @ 1:57:06 PM

"Never gonna give you up! Never gonna let you down...!"

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Xanavi23
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 9:32:47 AM
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There is a massie difference between whether they can maintain it, or whether they WILL maintain it. Can they ? Of course. Will they ? Im not so sure.

Home still isn't out yet, i don;t particularly want/need it, but if Sony is gonna flap their gums about it, they should actually release it one day.

Bear in mind, our great exclusives aside. 360 is still selling strong and due to M$ knowing their tech weakness, we can expect X720 or wtv in not TOO many years. Sony has alot of work to do.

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Jordahn
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 10:01:29 AM
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As much as the PS3 is worth its retail price, the $400 - $500 pricetag (yes with bundles) is not reaching the masses fast enough. I think $400 for an 80GB PS3 w/ R&C and Casino Royal BD is worth it from Best Buy. But the masses would prefer to see a $300 pricetag without a bundle. It just looks better in the eyes of the consumers because they don't weigh in the value of the free game and Blu-ray because the printed "$400" price look big.

SONY, a price drop on the hardware will do you favors in the public eye. Yes, you have to vouch for the shareholder, but I hope this is good for us all in the longrun if nothing else.

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Xanavi23
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 10:08:14 AM

You're right. Consumers, especially now are looking for a bare minimum price. Sony needs to bring down the price if they want to hold some more momentum.

Yes, Xbox arcade systems break often, nonetheless people are still buying them.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, December 03, 2008 @ 12:47:54 AM


Just an FYI about PS3 bundles.....
Was just over at Sony's "Wheel of Fortune" rewards site & where they used to have a 80GB PS3 there.

But as of a couple days ago, it's no longer available because of what they've now put in it's place.......

A PS3 160GB bundled with "Uncharted-Drakes Fortune".

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bamf
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 11:31:50 AM
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If no one has mentioned it yet but there's also the game from Team Ico. Yet I'm sure there's exclusive games that we've forgot to mention, and games that haven't been announced yet that may come out in late 2009/early 2010. Shame the Getaway is no longer in development.

I think its still a question of price. There's still many gamers to jump onto PS3 from PS2 but how many of PS2 owners were hardcore gamers and already own a PS3. The Exclusives on PS3 are mainly hardcore games and when the more casual gamer is looking at next-gen, are they looking at those exclusive games and even HOME, or are they looking at price?
Have all 3 consoles at the same price point and have the consumer consider what they are actually getting for their money, imo the PS3 is the clear winner.

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Arvis
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 1:37:44 PM
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Seems like we've all forgotten about that BBC journalist who was blown away by a Mystery PS3 Exclusive. I don't think the game has been revealed yet. Any news on that? I'm still guessing it's Team Ico's newest title.

-Arvis

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 10:17:23 PM

Some people still think it was MAG, while others think it's Team ICO's project. The journalist has never come clean on this, I don't think.

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AntDC
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 12:11:05 AM

I remeber the guy saying that they didn't show the game at E3 08, and MAG was one of the games shown there, so the new ICO project sounds quite likely. When asked weather it was Heavy Rain he also said that it wasn't.

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King James
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 2:40:16 PM
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Of course Sony can keep up the momentum. These exclusives that Sony is dropping in 2009 will continue to sell PS3s at a progressive rate.

I know that Killzone 2 will move PS3s. That beta is the best FPS experience I've had since Halo 1. And it's only a beta.
Gran Turismo 5 will move PS3s, no problem.
Uncharted 2 on the way.
Heavy Rain has some kind of revolutionary control scheme.
Home is only going to get better and now that I'm in that beta, I see the potential.
FFXIII and FFXIII Versus are gonna rule and I have a feeling FFXIII will look better on PS3.
And God of War III will solidify the PS3 on top of the next gen gaming world.

lol...and Sony will do it w/o huge advertising campaigns.

I see a lot of people calling for a price drop for Sony to compete. I think a price drop is unnecessary. Any consumer - willing to do a lil' research on why the PS3 cost $400 - can see that it's a bargain. And that that $200 xbox, is not a real xbox.

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phade2blaq
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 6:00:16 PM

I see a lot of people calling for a price drop for Sony to compete. I think a price drop is unnecessary. Any consumer - willing to do a lil' research on why the PS3 cost $400 - can see that it's a bargain. And that that $200 xbox, is not a real xbox.

We know when new electronic devices come out they tend to be very high in price until the the price reaches a point when most people start buying then the price gradually drops to a point that most can afford them.

Same holds true for the PS3 ! Sony debuted the system at $499 and $599 and for people with cash strapped budgets or more pressing financial issues, they ARE NOT going to spend that kind of money on a game system no matter how great it is.

Game consoles typically reach mass appeal when they hit a price point of around $250-$300 or so which is part of the reason why the Wii sells well. People especially those with kids are more likely to spend $250 than they are $400-$500. For the price of a PS3, you can get a Wii and some accessories and a couple of games. You can't beat that as you're getting more bang for your buck.

If say you buy a $399 PS3, an HDMI cable and a game, you're spending at least $500 ! That's not budget friendly.

The $250 Wii and bare bones $199 xbox are more feasible and practical in terms of household budgets. At $399-$499 the PS3 isn't feasible to a budget minded household.

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King James
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 8:58:50 PM

Fade 2 Black:

I never said the PS3 was for the "budget-minded household". Although I do agree with most of what u said expect for that $200 bare bones XBox being feasible, u missed my point. The PS3 is not your typical game console, hence the not-so typical price. People need to realize this.

I read an article in this magazine that gave a report on what to buy for the holidays. In the home theater portion, the PS3 was listed. It stated that the PS3 is one the best Blu-ray players out there (outside of the games), and that you wouldn't find a better Blu-ray player less than $1000. The article also stated that Sony is selling the PS3 at cost, that Sony doesn't make money off the hardware, and that the consumer is the BIG winner because of this. Plus, the cell processor in the PS3 is used in the IBM Roadrunner (the world's fastest computer).

If ppl understand the product than they would buy it. If not now, than definitely later. That's all I'm saying.

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food86
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 6:32:12 PM
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and maybe that is the problem the ps3 constantly is facing. people just don't see the value. so one of my xbox friends told me that he like it that msoft gives him the option of having wireless, hardrive. And he said he didn't like having all the stuff the ps3 did for that price. He seems oblivious to the fact but he bought an arcade. got a 60gb hard drive, wireless, and membership. I showed him the total he spent. like 500 dollars he spent and showed him the ps3 price tag but he still won't understand oh well for me ps3 at 400 is great price, heck I bought at 500 and have never regretted my purchase. But after all these games come out people are going to start turning over to the ps3.

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King James
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 9:28:22 PM

Ur friend sounds like one of my crazy xbox friends. I swear he gave me that same "option" speech like a year ago. Then, Sony started dropping more great games and his xbox kept Red Ringing. Only a matter of time b4 he bought a PS3 (early this year). Now all he plays is the PS3. Matter of fact, he traded in his xbox for LBP, Fallout 3, and R2. I asked him about Gears2 and Fable2, he said he'll buy an arcade xbox, and get to those games when he's done with the PS3 games. He hasn't bought that arcade, yet.

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food86
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 6:37:26 PM
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I see gaming as a hobby and I love to collect videogames that I love, Heck just this year alone of 2008 I bought over 20 videogames for the ps3 and have not regretted my purchases for one split second, WHY? because gaming is my thing and if a measly 400 dollars is going to get in the way of ultimate gaming and I don't want to spend that cash I might as well not call myself a hardcore gamer. I know the value of the xbox and the ps3 but I just love the ps3 better. And me as a hardcore gamer I will do everything I can to satisfy my gaming needs high price or low price.

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LightShow
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 7:11:17 PM
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It's hard to stop a train, especially a heavyweight like Sony.

the reason the 360 has done better is because for a long time it dominated the software, and it is cheaper. It dominated the software because M$ wasn't above shelling out for exclusives(although nowhere near the extent alleged), and because the architecture of the processor was simple and easy to work with.

Now, Dev's are getting used to the PS3 architecture, which has resulted in equal versions of multi-plat games. Add that to the fact that a bunch of MASSIVE PS3 exclusives hit hard this year, and the 360 Software domination claim is gone. If they aren't matched, the PS3 is ahead this year, some say WAY ahead.

another thing is that Sony realized that consumers can do without hardware emulation, gratuitous amounts of USB ports, memory card readers, and large hard drives, and made the decision to cut these in order to close the price gap. Add that to the fact the PS3 HDD is user-replaceable (good for the tech savvy), and the price argument is looking a little less compelling.

and the cherry on top, the %30 percent defective rate of the 360. People aren't keen on paying buku bucks for a machine that has a one in three chance of failing on you, leastways anybody i know.

with all of this, there is really no reason to buy a 360 instead of a PS3 (unless you don't have the means, of course), especially with PSN closing the gap on XBL daily.

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LightShow
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 7:11:34 PM

holy mackerel that was long...

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b spat
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 @ 10:11:29 PM
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it bugs me when people say that the 360 is on the same level as the ps3 when clearly the ps3 has had phenomenal graphical advances in the last year or so. heck, the ps3 came out a year later than the 360 and already it has equal or better graphics. if the 360 is so much more superior to the ps3 like people keep saying, then why on earth are the graphics still the same? if you ask me, ps3 has definitely got the momentum to pull out a win agaisnt MS by summer 09

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dveisalive
Wednesday, December 03, 2008 @ 12:58:53 AM
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PS3 is an investment! You get the full throttle of entertainment, and it has yet to be pushed by all demands. PS3 has a future and I wouldn't be surprised that it finishes 2nd behind Wii unless that 399 price goes down by this time Next year to at least a more affordable range of 200 dollars(lmaol!) and Sony doesnt need to worry for it has it user base still, I mean look at the Ps2 it still sells as I type this message!

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PS3_Wizard
Wednesday, December 03, 2008 @ 9:39:02 AM
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Cheers Lightshow! It is funny how xbox geeks say that xbox has the best graphics. More and more developers are agreeing that both systems look identical in many multiplatform games. And microsoft now has 3 years under its belt, compared to sony's 2 years. Now...ain't it funny how the ps3 is equal to the 360? And in my opinion, the so-called best looking game out Gears 2 looks just slightly better than the first one! So does anyone else see that the 360 is close to being maxed out?

And the PS3 continues to look better graphically blockbuster after blockbuster, with each title looking leaps and bounds better than the last. Not to mention gameplay screen shots of Heavy Rain!

But there is one thing everyone is forgetting...and thats the fail rate of the 360. I know, I know...some of you has covered it before in this article...but in MY opinion, the 360 and ps3 are closer in overall console sales than it appears.

You have to take into account the REBUYS that xbox victims...err i mean slaves...OPPS i mean fanboys and stupid parents, shell out to replace their Red Ringed system. I bet most of you know of some people who are on their 2nd or 3rd 360!

Most of the idiots who continue to purchase those systems, even after the 1st 360 breaks, deserve to have microsoft continuously rob them. Eventually, after these new EXCLUSIVES drop, I think alot of people will stop purchasing xbox's not only because of how awesomely cool the games are, but because they are tired of microsoft stepping all over them.

That said, I wonder how much of those millions of systems sold by microsoft are 1st time buyers? Take those sales away, and i think the PS3 is tied, if not, CRUSHING the 360! let the thumbs ups begin!!!

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jiboiapower
Wednesday, December 03, 2008 @ 10:03:15 AM
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Hey guys!

I was watching the headlights on N4G and saw this article....... and HAD to respond to this (even went through the bother of registering here just for this!).

I'm sorry, but this article is a JOKE! HOW can the PS3 MAINTAIN momentum?

The million dollar question is: HAS THE PS3 EVER GAINED MOMENTUM?

I remember reading an article at IGN, back at Xmas 2006, saying that by 31/12/2007, the PS3 would have more users than the 360. Than, at the end of 2007 (when ps3 still lagged 6 million units behind the 360), the new SLOGAN adopted by all media was that 2008 WAS GONNA BE THE YEAR OF THE PS3!!
Why? BLU RAY had won the format war and GTAV would show the benefits of using BluRay technology for gaming (more disc space = more content, less loading times, better graphics, etc)and therefore the PS3 version of GTA V would outsell its 360 counterpart, MGS4 was coming, Home was on its way, second generation games were coming out and we would FINALLY see the processing power of the CELL making multiplatform releases LOOK AND RUN better on the PS3,and bla bla bla. Well....I don't think that I'll even need to comment on this.....

NOW that 2008 is almost over,with the 360 outselling the PS3 at 2 to 1 margin in North Amercica, outselling in Europe (EVEN in southern Europe), in Australia, and everyone DEBATING wether 360 sales in JAPAN are good or bad.... you heard it right JAPAN!!! (I'm sure that in 2007, even the biggest 360 FanBoy would never even DREAM that one day the 360 would outsell the PS3 for an ENTIRE MONTH in its backyard!)

Don't intend to provoque anyone, but..... 2008 was DEFINATELY NOT a PS3 year..... and the question starts to be..... WHEN will the PS3 momentum come??

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 03, 2008 @ 4:24:50 PM

All irrelevant; I see no mention of software...seems the Xbots can only cling to sales, despite ignoring the fact the user base gap continues to shrink. Do you have ANYTHING left to cling to...really?

No need to sign up to post, Xbots. Really, don't waste our time. We always appreciate informed responses, but fanboys are incapable of that so please, keep your nonsense at N4G or wherever you came from.

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PS3_Wizard
Wednesday, December 03, 2008 @ 10:21:21 AM
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Umm, you really aren't too bright are you jiboiapower...:

Can't you see we are talking about 2009 being the year for the PS3? Yes we had a good year in 2008, but I don't remember seeing a post from anyone on here saying 2008 was our year. 2008 was a catch-up year in my opinion, and that we did. And the CELL IS making huge steps for the PS3. The PS3 is a year younger than the 360 and to me MGS4 and Uncharted look just as good, or even better than gears 2. If the 360 is that much older than the PS3, and its easier to program than a PS3, then why dont the games for it look better?

Short answer- because the PS3 is a engineering powerhouse that was built to last, better than that unreliable junk you call a 360. I mean com'on man...the PS3 is harder to program for and the games look amazing. Remember how the PS2 was difficult to program for in its earlier years? but now God of War 2 looks amazing, as well as shadow of the colossus.

Sony is like a aged wine...It gets better over time!

now go back and crawl into your little micro$oft burrow and kill your self!

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Random_Steve
Wednesday, December 03, 2008 @ 1:22:58 PM

powned

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jiboiapower
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 5:04:20 AM

I am realistic... not pessimistic. And by the way, I have always been a playstation gamer. I'm just a little tired of listening every year: NEXT YEAR WILL PS3 YEAR!!!

Do you really believe that 2008 was a catch-up year?? Remember one thing: 2008 started from 1/01/2008 and will end on 31/12/2008. We are not just talking about January to July (when MGS4 momentum ended). I seriously advise you to chek NPD data.

And by the way..... no one buys a console because it is a powerhouse..... for that purpose, you buy a GAMING PC (mine cost as much as a PS3...), and if grafics are your only concern.... you play CRISIS instead of Gears, Uncharted or whatsoever!

And don't turn the question around: No one ever claimed that 360 games would look better than PS3 games...... Intead, media has allways been yelling about the superiority of sony's baby! So your question should be: Since I decided to pay an extra 100 bucks (at least)when purchasing my PS3, why the hell, Uncharted and MGS4, do not look way better than Gears? And why after TWO years am I still receiving the worst verions of multiplatform releases?

Comon man.... you cant use the same excuse every year, that programing for PS3 is harder and that next year devs will be doing much better..... It's the same story that university students tell their parents on the eve of their exams: Dammit, i'm in deep shit, havn t studied at all this year.... BUT NEXT YEAR.... it won't happen!!! We all do know how next year will be!





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Random_Steve
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 8:27:33 AM

The only reason that your here is that your a fanboy. I reckon the only reason you are fanboy is because you know that you got the wrong console and you are determined to convince everyone else that your money wasn't wasted. And besides, if you like your 360 so much, why did you take the time to sign up and leave this post anyway?

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Aftab
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 1:45:15 AM

at J: Um, both Uncharted and MGS4 do look better than Gears. And perhaps they don't seem "way better" to you, but for that extra 100 bucks, not only does that cover the wireless internet connectivity (which is how much you pay for the 360 i-adapter alone), but you get bluray, psn and home, and a machine that won't red-ring on you. Not a bad deal.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 03, 2008 @ 2:03:56 PM
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I hate to be negative, but.... I mean, if the 360 really did outsell the PS3 3-to-1 over Thanksgiving weekend... then the PS3 is almost guaranteed to end up last place in the sales battle after the holidays.

It's ALL ABOUT price-point and marketing. It's the reason the Wii is so popular and it's the reason people won't stop buying the most defective electronic entertainment product ever built.

Now, what are Sony's biggest weaknesses in the console war at this point? HIGH PRICE and almost ZERO MARKETING. Gee, I wonder why the PS3 isn't selling. Consumers are stupid and are not going to figure out for themselves which system gives them the best value. They need to be told what to buy, and Sony isn't doing their job on that front.

-Arvis

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AntDC
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 12:18:50 AM

Agreed, people say it over and over again, but Sony need to ramp up the advertising. Considering the PS3s extra cost though, I think it has done incredibly well against its competition. I think that by the time Gran Turismo 5 comes out, the PS3 would of taken over the Xbox 360 in total worldwide sales. The Gran Turismo series constantly sells well on Playstation and if I remember rightly Gran Turismo 3 is the greatest selling racing game of all time. I see no reason why GT5 can't beat this.

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Random_Steve
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 3:10:49 AM
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I know that there hasnt been any info on it yet, but the new ratchet and clank is ment to be coming out in summer 09. It said at the end of quest for booty

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jiboiapower
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 5:43:04 AM
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After some complaints about my first post...... Mr administator..... I'm proudly ADDRESSING your complaints, and making a relevant post! Please read it ALL before complaining again...

Next year WILL NOT BE THE YEAR OF THE PS3 for a few simple reasons:

1. TWO years after a console has been out, it has already such a large install base, that a simple hand full of exclusive games is nolonger enough to boost it SUSTAINABLY (want any proof? Check out the 360 sails for January, February and March 2009 and see if Gears 2 has had a big impact or not. Or even better: check out PS3 sails from August to October, after MGS4 come out on July).

2.By now, all consoles have been out for some time and any diehard fan it has.... has already purchased it... so, it is time now to turn to the casual gamer (the one that made the PS2 crush its opponents!). And as good as KillZone will be, Uncharted 2 or God of War 3, these games will not appeal to the casual gamer! Attention, I do not mean that these games will not sell millions of copies, because they will, but they will only sell to hardcore gamers (but these gamers already own a PS3 or a 360, so it will not bring many more NEW USERS to the PS3. (Do you doubt it? Easy, take a look at GTA V launch.... (juging by last generation sails) GTA is easilly a more popular game than any of the exclusives that the PS3 has for 2009 (KillZone, Uncharted, etc). However, the whole world came to a surprise last Spring, when the Wii OUTSOLD the 360 and PS3 COMBINED SALES during the month, and subsequent month of GTA V release!! Amazing isn't it? Even worst.... neither did the 360 nor the PS3 sales increase substantially with the release of the game!! Why?? I don't know.... but suspect that maybe most the 15 million gamers who purchased GTA San Andreas or Vice City, already owned a 360 and a PS3 by spring 2008. It make some sence, since they surely were hard core gamers!) All this to say.... if GTA V didn't boost sales substaintially through out 2008..... don't expect Killzone or Uncharted to do it!!!

3. Finally, the most important argument. Back in early 2006 when I purchased my 360, It was a very hard decision for me to make.... because, honestly, despite being cheeper than the expected price tag of the PS3 (remember... the PS3 only came out in November 2006), I would rather have bought a PS3, simply because..... it was a PlayStation, and I had grew up with the PlayStation familly.... and ofcourse..... like most people...I was reluctantabout changing my BRAND. Well, today, almost 3 years later.... I see both BRANDS equally!!!! And that's what happening with most consumers. It happened in the US through 2007, it started happening in Europe through 2008 and will probably happen in Japan in....2030!!lololol. Because the PS2 was the large winner of the previous generation.... and the X-box 1 had had very poor sails in europe, and almost never sold nothing in Japan, back in 2006, for most people, Console = PlayStation...
Here in Portugal for example, people would not ask which console you intended to buy, but rather, when were you intending to buy the PS3! (of course... most people didn t even know that microsoft had a console, and the few who did.... were very reluctant in trying something new!). That's why, in its first year, the 360 lived under the shadow of the PS3, with most people waiting for the PS3 to come out. Through 2007, even though the 360 had a huge advantage on the game library, worldwide, the PS3 kept on selling more. Why? because of the PlayStation BRAND! Consumers better valued the PS3! For an average consumer, in order to swap a PS3 for the 360..... the price gap should be quiet big (thats why in September 2007 Microsoft had to cut the 360 price by 50 bucks in order to keep the 360 competitive regarding the new PS3 price tag). However,in Europe, that was not enough (since european consumers valued less the 360 compared to the amercican consumer). So, after the Halo 3 wave, PS3 worldwide sales started to overtake the 360 worldwide sales, EVEN THOUGH the 360 had a superior gaming library (in quality and quantity)!!!
As you can see, A SUPERIOR GAMING LIBRARY DOES NOT GUARANTY superior sales! The big change however, occured in 2008 when Microsoft slashed even more the 360 price. Nobody expected that at this new price tag, the 360 would outsell WORLDWIDE the PS3.... well that proves that the European Consumer, as time goes by.... is starting to value the 360 more and more. This means that in 2009, the price difference between both consoles will need to be bigger than it was in early 2008, for the PS3 to outsell again the 360. This means that Sony will have to make an even bigger price cut that i did in 2007, in order to start CATCHING UP again!! In other words.... as time goes by (in in 1 - 2 years in Eurpoe and in 4 to 5 years in Japan, Consumers wil start seeing the 360 and the PS3 as PERFECT SUBSTITUTES!!! (in other words....... the chipest one will outsell the other.... The problem for sony, is that the Game line-up is nolonger so important, and I do not see them with deep enoughpockets to compete in price with Microsoft!

THAT WHY I DID NOT BELIEVE THAT 2008 WOULD BE THE YEAR OF THE PS3....... AND STILL DON'T BELIEV THAT 2009 WILL BE!
(all in all...... Sony is (IN MY HUMBLE OPINION) the big looser of this new generation!!)

Is this ok for you.......Mr Administrator? (if you even bothered reading it all.....)

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 9:29:11 AM
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@ jiboiapower

"As you can see, A SUPERIOR GAMING LIBRARY DOES NOT GUARANTY superior sales! The big change however, occured in 2008 when Microsoft slashed even more the 360 price. Nobody expected that at this new price tag, the 360 would outsell WORLDWIDE the PS3.... well that proves that the European Consumer, as time goes by.... is starting to value the 360 more and more."

Thats funny...i think thats why the ps2 beat the original xbox. by having better 1st party exclusives.

And the reason xbox keeps lowering its price is because the PS3 is creeping closer and closer to it in sales every month, that is until it recently released the xbox 360 arcade. The fact is, microsoft NEEDS to lower its price to compete. Look at how much more the PS3 is worth compared to the 360! and it still managed to sell alot of PS3's and close the gap on the 360. Now imagine if the systems were released the same year...do you think things would be the same?

Or better yet, lets let microsoft keep that year lead...what if they never dropped the price? or atleast never dropped it lower than $50-$100? That would see the prices of the 2 consoles almost identical, expecially after factoring in all the extra peripherals the 360 needs to compete with the PS3 (wireless connection, xbox live GOLD, etc.)

With the PS3 you get the better bang for your buck, not including software. But thats why most of us can agree that 2009 will see the gap shorten even more, because of all the new exclusives, and the lack of them on the 360.

And you say the PS3 is still receiving lackluster ports? Thats funny seeing as how alot of developers are starting to program on the ps3 first. And not just that, games developed on the 360 first are looking identical to the PS3 version (some could argue bioshock is an exception).

I like arguing with you tho, please post something else stupid so i can rant on it. Thanks Jiboiapower!

P.S. I forgot to add that you said:
"Nobody expected that at this new price tag, the 360 would outsell WORLDWIDE the PS3.... "

thats probably the dumbest thing i ever heard anyone say...ever. I mean you didnt expect that when a a product lowers its price, that it would outsell its more expensive competitor? You are really the dumbest person I know thats not legally retarded..."

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jiboiapower
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 4:07:30 AM

@PS3_Wizard

Sorry not being as INTELIGENT as you are.....

"Thats funny...i think thats why the ps2 beat the original xbox. by having better 1st party exclusives."

thanks for opening my eyes....... I now understand why the PS3 outsold the 360 in 2007...... dammm, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword and......... oh yes.......LAIR!! were FAR superior in QUALITY and QUANTITY than microsoft offerings (PGR4, Lost Planet, Forza2, Mass Effect, etc, and...... HALO 3). Oh yes.... and I now understand why the Wii is murdering its competition......... Damm.... those 1st party exclusives are so hot!!!!!

"Look at how much more the PS3 is worth compared to the 360!...With the PS3 you get the better bang for your buck"

Definately dude......... that's what makes a console sales grow!!!! Just look at the Wii.... priced at $250 (same prica as the 360 premium, and more expensive than the arcade version).... THAT'S A BANG FOR YOUR BUCK!!!! THAT'S WHY IT KEEPS ON SELLING, SELLING..........AND SELLING!!! Definately a bang for your buck!
Your the brightest guy I'v ever met... you're my new hero bro!

Another great discovery of yours.....
"I mean you didnt expect that when a product lowers its price, that it would outsell its more expensive competitor? You are really the dumbest person I know thats not legally retarded..."

as far as I can remember, the 360 has ALWAYS been cheeper than the PS3, yet since October 2007, the PS3 has outsold it WORLDWIDE...... until September 2008 (when the 360 slashed its price again)....ooops..... guess you are too smart see that! Anyway, I think you should go work for Sony, with such a Q.I..... I bet that 2009 will be the year that Sony will catch-up......... the Wii !!

And by the way.... thanks for the insults.... It was all my pleasure!

Have a nice week-end!

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 8:33:32 AM
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@jib:
All of the quotes you had were wrong, for one i said the PS2...not PS3 beat the ORIGINAL Xbox by having better exclusives. And if you try to be sarcastic, make sure you spell INTELLIGENT right numb-nuts. And i think that most consumers will agree that if you take a step back and look at the features of the PS3, you get a better quality, and better feature having console. THAT is the reason why the PS3 closed the gap on the 360. (and they did this while still being the more expensive console.)

Microsoft was shaking in their boots, which is why they NEEDED to make another price cut. the PS3 was biting at their ankles in terms of sales. I think anyone can agree with me on that, including your ignorant a**. And im not talking about the Wii, we all know its leading in sales...this discussion is about the 360 and PS3 you moron. But the Wii is not really a better bang for your buck in my opinion. Its more like a suped up gamecube with motion controls. The games are more kid and family oriented you fool.

And you are missing the point of the price arguement, so let me make it clear:

THE PS3 HAS ALWAYS BEEN MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE 360. THE 360 HAS BEEN OUT A FULL YEAR BEFORE THE PS3, BUT STILL THE PS3 HAS ALMOST CAUGHT UP TO THE 360 IN TERMS OF SALES. MICROSOFT SHOULD BE BLOWING SONY OUT OF THE WATER.

And I agree that the 360 had better games the first year the PS3 and 360 were out. But can you honestly say they do now? Its all about gamer preference. I'm not saying the PS3 has better games, but you insist on looking at how bad the PS3 did in the beginning, and you're ignoring the fact that the PS3 is being constantly updated with better and better features.

"Anyway, I think you should go work for Sony, with such a Q.I....."

Hah...I think you mean I.Q.! thats right keep proving to everyone how much more INTELIGENT...i mean intelligent you are than me.





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PS3_Wizard
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 9:50:10 AM
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oh yeah...let me post this again, cuz obviously you didnt read it. I want to hear your input on this 1.

my post from a few days ago:

"Cheers Lightshow! It is funny how xbox geeks say that xbox has the best graphics. More and more developers are agreeing that both systems look identical in many multiplatform games. And microsoft now has 3 years under its belt, compared to sony's 2 years. Now...ain't it funny how the ps3 is equal to the 360? And in my opinion, the so-called best looking game out Gears 2 looks just slightly better than the first one! So does anyone else see that the 360 is close to being maxed out?

And the PS3 continues to look better graphically blockbuster after blockbuster, with each title looking leaps and bounds better than the last. Not to mention gameplay screen shots of Heavy Rain!

But there is one thing everyone is forgetting...and thats the fail rate of the 360. I know, I know...some of you has covered it before in this article...but in MY opinion, the 360 and ps3 are closer in overall console sales than it appears.

You have to take into account the REBUYS that xbox victims...err i mean slaves...OPPS i mean fanboys and stupid parents, shell out to replace their Red Ringed system. I bet most of you know of some people who are on their 2nd or 3rd 360!

Most of the idiots who continue to purchase those systems, even after the 1st 360 breaks, deserve to have microsoft continuously rob them. Eventually, after these new EXCLUSIVES drop, I think alot of people will stop purchasing xbox's not only because of how awesomely cool the games are, but because they are tired of microsoft stepping all over them.

That said, I wonder how much of those millions of systems sold by microsoft are 1st time buyers? Take those sales away, and i think the PS3 is tied, if not, CRUSHING the 360! let the thumbs ups begin!!!"

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