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Atari: Future Gaming Generations Won't Use Physical Media

When we were kids, we couldn't possibly conceive of playing against someone on the other side of the earth...in the same game at the same time. That was some kind of inconceivable wizardry to members of the Atari 2600 era. Now, former Sony executive and current Atari president Phil Harrison says the kiddies of today won't know what it's like to use discs to play games in the future.

It's a debate that has raged since the start of this new generation; one side claims the disc-based format - DVD and Blu-Ray - won't ever completely die, while the other side believes it's only a matter of time. In a recent interview with Edge, Harrison had this to say on the subject-

"...there's a generation of kids being born today and probably already alive who I'm pretty confident will never buy a physical media product. They will never buy a DVD, they will never buy a CD, and they will never buy a game in a box."

Because of this belief, Harrison and CEO David Gardner have already started preparing Atari for this evidently inevitable occurrence. Gardner has already gone on record saying he believes the future of Atari revolves around "online play and distribution," and that "within five years, 90% of our products will be online." To some of us, it's difficult to imagine that games like MGS4 and Killzone 2 could become digital downloads simply due to their massive size, but everything continues to advance. We keep moving forward, so perhaps it'll happen after all...the question is, do you want it to happen?

12/4/2008 John Shepard

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crapreviews
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 10:06:26 PM
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i think i would like to have a hard copy somewhere lol.

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Zorigo
Saturday, December 06, 2008 @ 6:52:57 AM

i like hard copies, but if eerything became downloadable, i don't think i would mind.

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Tatsujin
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 10:24:44 PM
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Yea.. This is a boo idea... Why do they have to make things so complicated? We go from NES and Atari systems that have games that only cost like 1k to develope to some massive ps3 and 360 games that cost millions of dollars to develop.. now they want to put it all online? Really, piss off! I want my damn blu-ray to read all sorts of goodie cd's and stuff..

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 10:34:59 PM
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This will never be a reality until and unless internet download speeds increase and people are somehow allowed to download their game an UNLIMITED number of times. When big problems go down and systems crash or get bricked, you will probably need to download it more than 3 times in your life. And right now, as it stands, if I'm downloading a demo and I get disconnected from my access point (Comcast sucks) then when it gets back on and finishes the download the whole damned thing is corrupt, but that would have counted as a download.

Plus people just want to have something in their hands when it's expensive (most PSN games are cheap). Pirating might get out of control too. There are so many obstacles I wouldn't worry about this happening for another 2 generations.

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Zorigo
Saturday, December 06, 2008 @ 6:54:37 AM

it makes sense, but sony aren't stupid, if it looks like this is the way things are going, then they will figure a way to make it work. they've fixed alot of problems which we thought impossible, Bluray dual layered being jus one of them

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Daedusian
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 10:35:45 PM
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It's cool to think about but I'd much rather stick with what we have now for awhile. Having the downloadable games stored on your PS3 is great, but I feel it's more rewarding and preferable to have a physical item in your hand rather than just the visual of it on-screen. Tho I was born in the '80s so it's kind of obvious I would lean in this direction.

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Advent Child
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 11:21:42 PM
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Considering not even half the households in the US have access to the internet at home I think this idea is bogus. How many adults are going to buy something for their little kids and then put it on line and let them pick the games to download. No, you take them to the store and let them browse geez. I hate the idea of digitally downloading.

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isaya85
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 11:29:47 PM
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The day this happens is the day I stop being a gamer I love being able to build up my collection

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Saber1989
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 11:30:31 PM
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I prefer having a hard disk, but it is a lot easier to load a game from the ps3 without a disk making us more lazier not to go to the store

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 11:41:57 PM
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If we get lazier then those "studies" will continue to name us obese losers; though a quick trip to the store is hardly exercise unless you do it on a bike.

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Qubex
Thursday, December 04, 2008 @ 11:59:55 PM
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Well, reading the comments thus far, including the interesting statements made by the "WorldEndsWithMe"; I must say I have to disagree...

I think Phil Harrison is absolutely correct, and I believe Sony knows this too. I also believe that the Sony R&D labs have designs, and possibly, prototypes of an internet-only console right now. They have too to be engineering the future, otherwise others will muscle in and do something revolutionary right from under their noses... companies who want to stay on top have to lead, they have to revolutionise, they have to, in essence, "create new markets" by forcing "old markets" (us gamers) to change the way we acquire, download and play media... It is something that will happen whether we like it or not.

It is ridiculous to think otherwise, because all you have to do, is look around you and see what and how other technologies and consumption habits have changed to pretty much prove you cannot stop the march of time... things will change and that is a fact... companies will forcibly change these markets if they have too to suite their business models and operational costs... that is if you want a certain quality of product at a reasonable price of course!

I am assuming both distribution platforms will continue to co-exist for sometime, maybe as long as another 2 decades, but that is pushing it.

If we have this conversation again in 2020; things will be very different... media shops and outlets will look/be/function differently.. it will be more like; drop in, pay for the media, doc your gadget into a docking station or maybe even at the till (or next to it); and within a few seconds you will download your media purchased directly onto your gadget to take away with you. Once the purchase has gone through, a copy of that media (encrypted with an access key for yourself only) will be sent to your personal server space somewhere in cyberspace where you can always get it... and there it will sit when you need it again...

...and as things progress, with the internet becoming ever more pervasive using wireless/cellular technologies as the primary way of transmission globally, internet access and media downloadable material will just continue to grow, and grow...

Maybe solid media will exist only as gift set pieces/boxes etc... but most consumption will be soft media... I just don't see people in 50 years time having cupboards full of hard media... just doesn't make sense... especially if you want most media to become even cheaper than it is already!

Phil Harrison will be proved right; he was right in the thick of it at Sony; he knows what Sony (and other technology companies) are thinking... he has seen the road maps; he has seen the future, he is part of the future... he knows what he is talking about... I am sure of it.

Q!

"i Am HoMe"


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King James
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 12:39:37 AM
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Although I see the advantages of "going digital", physical media should never completely go away. The advantages of having a physical hard copy of any media will always needed. Ask any DJ or music head. Now as far as DVDs go, I like the fact that I don't have to:

1) have a internet connection to download my movie.
2) have to wait to download it.

...in order to watch a movie when I want to. And as far as Blu-Ray DVDs go, that's 50gb of data! Who wants to wait to download all that?

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Qubex
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 1:33:07 AM

Yes, very true... only thing is we just don't know how quickly wireless transmission technologies and (generally) broadband services will mature to permit mega fast downloads... we don't know yet what new compression algorithms are around the corner... we don't know yet what new type of p2p technology protocols will be available permitting huge mesh based downloads...

We don't know yet what it will cost for all this bandwidth, maybe media won't become that much cheaper, but the "extra" amount we pay may go to subsidise the installation and maintenance of huge/fat download pipes automatically... like a very small tax for amazingly quick internet infrastructure... ultimately the internet is like water...

We will need it, without it we will find it difficult to exist... so the quicker the world rolls out better internet technologies, faster speeds and better wireless accessibilities, the better off everyone is in storing, downloading and managing their gigabyte upon gigabytes of data!

We need internet 2.0 - and everything that comes with it!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Gabriel013
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 1:26:28 AM
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I don't believe the UK infrastructure will be anywhere near good enough to cope with a switch to a download market; Now or in 10 years time.

If it ever happens then the media itself will be slightly cheaper but internet subscription prices will go through the roof.

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Qubex
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 1:35:03 AM

I think in the future their will be some sort of internet tax across the board... like we pay water/electricity etc... it may be a very good thing as we will have amazingly quick access to all our media and information needs...

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Starkiller
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 1:34:28 AM
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If that happens developers wont be able to have crazy Limited Collecter Editions like Duffle bags, Master Chief helmets, Lunch boxes....lol

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Qubex
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 1:36:16 AM

I think they will, finish the game by completing these (exceptionally difficult) targets/trophies and we'll send you the T-shirt... I am sure there are ways and means!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Advent Child
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 2:40:11 AM
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Can anyone say the death of the used game store and bargain prices on games?

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BikerSaint
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 3:20:37 AM
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"Rant mode" now engaged....

I want anything I buy in a physical form!!!!
Anwyays, with my 756K(?)slow-hemmoroidal DSL, I think I'd wind up winning every Rip VanWinkle look-a-like contest while waiting for all the data to download.

Right now, I can look across all of my game racks & see hundreds & hundreds of game cartridges/discs, & it reminds me how far my collection's come since I started in the 70's.

I couldn't imagine if the old days were in the future, & I had to download over 900 games that I already have. Plus I figure I'd have nothing to show for it, except for a bunch of external hard drives lined up in a row. Not to mention my ocassional CRS, & then trying to remember which frigging hard drive had which game in it, LOL

If they go the digital way(I've no doubt it's a-coming), then they also need to set it up with an "Easy Button" that will automaticly put it on a blank disc for you at home.

And.....since they're going to be saving millions, thier downloads had better be a lot #^*%$^* cheaper too)!!!!

"Rant mode" has now been disengaged.

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Scarecrow
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 3:22:56 AM
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Riiiight
There will always be physical media for movies and v-games.

It's something which will never go away. And rightly so.

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daizycutter
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 3:24:33 AM
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just another degree of control ..YOU WILL PLAY WOT WE GIVE YOU TO PLAY

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daus26
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 4:24:54 AM
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Oh no. Pls dont. This is horrible. If hardware arent sold in stores what will become of electronic retailers like best buy, circuit city, n, like already mentioned by Advent Child, gamespot and eb?

What will happen to my cool collection displays, n products like cd cases, and cd racks?

What will happen to the designing career for people who design boxarts n intructional manual books? What will happen to jobs in the hardware-making factories?

What happens to media players? Will they hve like an internal 1 trera byte of storage? N when we run out of space, we hve to buy another hardware/HDD? Will media players hve exchangeable hdd?

What happens to the people who cant afford fast internet connection? Instead of just purchasing a disc n use it, they're gonna hce to wait hours to download it? N wat about extra contemt, we hve to download that too to just watch it? N wat about the intructional manual that comes packaged with the disc? We download that too?

What happens if I wanna play a game on my friends house n only I hve it? I hve to bring my whole hardware over?

This the worst idea in history. With everything working so well right now, why change it?

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CH1N00K
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 8:51:06 AM

Scared much Daus?
You're worried about your cd racks and dvd racks, but what happened to VHS and cassette tapes before that? You might want to get used to it, this is going to happen. People will find a new career in the design industry, Instruction booklets will become tutorials, Internet connections will get faster and more affordable. Look at how much the price of a HDTV has dropped ever since the government has said TV's won't use an analog signal anymore, and they're only going to get lower. If it's something that the industry excepts as a whole, then they make it so everyone can afford it. If everyone is using it, they still make money.

As for playing at a friends house, there is a couple ways to look at that.

1. Since you have to download the media, wouldn't you be able to copy it over to a usb key and take that with you to your friends place? The problem with this is you start running into copyright issues of games and movies being passed around and the companies aren't making any money to develop more games and movies, something like what pirate downloads are doing now.

2. This is the way I see it going, because this is the way business works. Why would a company want you to lend your game to a friend and not get paid for it, when the friend can just go online and buy it themselves? They make more money, develop more games, which make them more money...which, let's not kid ourselves, that's why they're in business to begin with. They'll probably lower the price of games, so that your friend will want to pay for it anyways. Which they'll be able to do since they no longer pay for packaging and shipping of the materials. You'll be able to load your save data from your game onto a USB and take it with you to your friends place. It won't happen right away, but they're already putting things in place to make it happen. You can buy Socom and Warhawk in disc format or by download..they are giving people a choice now to increase the awareness of downloading...then they are going to phase out the discs, and programs will become exactly what they are called to begin with. "Software", no hard physical aspect to them...And I say bring it on.

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daus26
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 4:31:33 AM
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Oh yea, wat about those midnight lauch parties at best buy n stuff?

N wat if we want to use cash instead?

This internet download stuff will hve such a big impact in the economy.

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CH1N00K
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 9:21:08 AM

This internet download stuff already has a big impact on the economy.

Instead of camping out at a store for hours (days?) to get a midnight launch exclusive and hope to get a copy of a game, you can camp out in from of your TV and hope to get a copy. They'll still do late night launches, when internet traffic is low, so they don't crash the servers. Think about it this way though, You never have to worry about the internet being out of stock on High demand games. You don't need to pre-order. You just have to hope the servers are working.

As for EB games and Gamestop, they aren't as popular with game companies anymore because of their used games resale option. Gamestop is making a crap load of money from reselling the same game 2-3. The developers are only getting paid for the first time it sold.

This won't be a perfect system and there will be some frustrations, but in the long run, It's going to be a huge. Who doesn't want to get to the day where we have on demand games and movies, right at our finger tips?

For those of you that don't want to buy the game, I'm sure there will also be a rent option where you can play it and then after a week or two, the game is deleted off of your harddrive, unless you choose to buy it.

As for the cash option..well, how long do you think that's around for anyways? We have direct deposit paychecks, debit and credit cards..prepaid cards...I think you know where I'm going with this.


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ThePoetRazel
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 5:30:21 AM
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Of course this will happen. The ease of downloadable media is very apparent these days. The current economy has seen a large increase in internet sales compared to the highstreet and digital downloads have been included in the music charts for a while now. My CD collection barely sees the light of day since i find it far easier to play tracks from a HDD and i'm far from alone in that regard.
Once storage media and net connection speeds advance far enough, digital media will become dominant.
Who hasn't been annoyed by an over-scratched or lost disc? Who enjoys having to root through a load of cases to find the game you want before having to root around even more to find the case for the disc you just took out of the machine? Do you watch movies on UMD or Memory Stick in your PSP? Do you carry a CD player around with you or do you have an iPod instead? (Other portable music players are available).

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Riku994
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 6:15:41 AM
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The game systems would have to have MASSIVE storage space for avid gamers who buy most every game out there. I'm talkin like upwards of a terabyte here, because me alone I have (or had) over 40 PS2 games, quite a few ps1 games, around 4 PSP games, and about 10 PS3 games. Now, none of my PS3 games are huge ones that almost fill a blu-ray, but just from installations of games (Oblivion, Ninja Gaiden Sigma) it takes up a lot of space, and I've have to delete the install base on a few games to free up some space on my 60 GB PS3. Now if MGS4 was a digital download and I really wanted it, I'd only have around 10 GB left on my PS3, which doesn't leave any room for other games, so The storage space on these new consoles would have to be MASSIVE.

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CH1N00K
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 8:29:06 AM
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It will be a while before it's perfected but I can definitely see it coming. Look at how far we've come so far. We no longer need memory cards to save our game data, more and more DLC is popping up on networks. And with with the environment being the "cool" thing to talk about now, it would be a huge money maker for anyone who tried it. No more bulky packaging, no more plastic cases... from a marketing sense, convincing people that this is the video game industries way of going "green" People would eat that up. Sure there are a few places that will suffer because of weak internet, but that would get taken care of in time. By the time this comes into effect, most people will be able to play a movie or game while it's downloading, no waiting. I say go for it. Give me a massive hard drive and a fast connection now. I'd even welcome it now. While I'm waiting for my game to download i could do things like go to the store, or exercise, so I don't become a fat and lazy gamer.

What I wonder though, is that if they get rid of packaging, and the cost of shipping to stores, would we see a price drop in games? I doubt it, but it's a nice thought.

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kreate
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 8:45:20 AM
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this idea sucks. screw this crap. its a form of control and what if i my internet dies for couple months cuz i moved or i didn't hab cash? i want a hardcopy so i can play my games. what if i went to a poor country without internet access? i at least want to play my games.

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Riku994
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 5:57:25 PM

This doesnt mean you can't play the game if you lose internet access, it means you couldn't download any new ones.

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zerostar39
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 8:58:02 AM
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Im so sick of people talking bout the death of physical media. I want a game or movie that I can buy, and then bring over to my friends house to show him. I don't want to have to haul my whole system over because I had to download the newest game.

Downloading games the way we have it now is just fine. DLC and small games like echochrome I'm ok to download, but not something like call of duty or resistance. And for movies, I'll download a movie to rent, not purchase. And If I like it that much, I want the physical copy in my hands.

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Troy Powers
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 9:23:26 AM
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I agree with Phil, but "sometime in the future" is so vague. Hey, sometime in the future, we'll all drive around in hover-cars.

So, yes, one day we will cease to use physical media. I mean, if you told me when I was buying cassettes that one day people would no longer buy their music on physical media, I would have looked at you like an alien. Now iTunes is completely replacing brick & mortar record stores. People 10 years younger than me (I'm 31) have almost completely abandoned CDs. I was having an interesting conversation with a younger friend of mine, and I was saying how I always remember songs by the track number on the CD instead of the title. She was saying that her generation remembers by title, since they download songs and don't have physical CDs.

So, yes, one day in the future, it will be all digital. But, I still think that's a long way off. We're waiting on lightning fast connection speeds across the globe, cheap, high capacity solid state drives, and effective digital rights management. I give it at least another 10 years. But, my daughter (who is 4 now) will surely never purchase a CD, will probably never purchase a movie on a physical disk, and will likely never purchase a video game in a box.

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coverton341
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 10:37:03 AM

Off topic: Did you ever notice that track number 3 and track number 7 were always the best tracks on the CD no matter what CD it was? Weird.

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Troy Powers
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 11:11:32 AM

lol...never noticed it with track 3, but track 7 was CONSISTENTLY a really good song. I always contributed it to the cassette days. You always wanted to start side 2 with a really good song. I just think that normally translated to track 7 (the middle) on the CD.

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m2tbo
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 10:09:38 AM
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I agree completely with Qubex. Once the bandwidth is there and available to everyone, there will be no need for physical transmission of data on disks. One day we will all have personal media devices that will contain our lives.

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coverton341
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 10:34:33 AM
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In the midwestern states of america a broadband connection consists of a 768K/128K DSL dry line. My cousin has it and was blown away by how "fast" it was compared to dial up. He downloads full CDs now at a blazing day per CD. He plays 360 and PS3 online about once a month and then stops because the "servers" lag out too much. He downloads demos starting at the beginning of the day and just sets his systems to turn of when he is at work and most of the time when he comes home its only half way done. He has never downloaded a movie from the PSN or XBL and says he never will. AT&T and the cable companies both do not have the infrastructure in place in these areas to deliver super high speed internet yet, and with as large of an area it is quite sometime off especially with AT&T and cable companies turning product focus to metropolitan areas and fighting it out over "big money" areas. Satellite companies can deliver everywhere but the latency issues that arise from that type of connection make large downloads a pain. I think that the all digital days are very much a possibility but not until infrastructure changes are implemented. I do not think it will actually ever be full digital because in all honesty digital memory is volatile and can be gone in a wink of an eye. That is why you don't see books disappearing in the face of digital notepads, because if you have ever been an unfortunate college student that suffered a power outage in the middle of a thesis you know the pen and paper method will still be there when the lights turn back on while you will be lucky to have saved anything on the computer.

Conclusion: All digital is a possibility and even may come to be realized, but after someone loses their collection of movies and games because of a HDD failure those shiny CDs and DVDs are going to start to look more and more like a better idea again

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Cuetes
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 10:52:10 AM
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Im not buying what I cant touch. Companies cant lie, they want every little dime. They want to sell you games you can't trade in and get a new game for, why? I'll tell you why, theyre banking on the fact every one would have to buy this file brand new for 60 dollars. Now that you can't buy it used these companies make serious money. So if you think about it they want to convince us this is the future, think about it.

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CH1N00K
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 12:12:12 PM

Lol, "I'm not buying what I can't touch" How many times have you used that as a pickup line? J/K
but it will be interesting to see if someone will figure out a way to sell used downloadable games online. This will probably come around about the same way computer games come in now, when you download the game you get a key code for that game. If you want to sell that game to someone else, they'll need that key. Don't think it will actually work, but could be interesting.

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shaydey77
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 1:40:46 PM
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Change is inevitable.people need to learn to embrace change not fear it. Sure itll eb weird not having all those snazzy boxes saying yeah..thats what i bought!..but in time the newer generations wont miss something they never had..come on the evolution!!
Besides...well always have the memories..

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thousandshade
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 2:21:26 PM
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Just some information - to the people that are worried about internet speeds... I work for a telecommunications company. If you haven't heard of WiMax, check out this link. It has already begun to be implemented across North America, and should be fully integrated sometime in either 2009 or 2010.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX

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thousandshade
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 2:24:54 PM
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And there was an article last month on another site with a good point that I'm sure game companies have thought of - network backup. With advanced speeds coming and network backup, physical media will eventually dissapear, regardless of whether we believe it to be a positive or negative change.

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xnonsuchx
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 3:52:15 PM
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I hate hearing these things...don't they realize the LARGE # of people who still don't have any broadband Internet access to be downloading GBs of data? Many don't even have broadband access available to them. I can understand 'mini-games' being download-only, but to think people are gonna limit themselves to only having 5 playable games at any one time (5 10-15GB downloads) on a standard 80GB HD system is ridiculous.

Or are the NEXT generation of consoles coming w/ 500-1000GB HDs standard???

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bamf
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 5:09:58 PM
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I have many DVD's, we all have. With my collection I ripped them to a HDD media player so I could have easy access to all my movies. One problem, just recently my HDD went dead. So imagine the the future when everything is digital distribution and we don't have a physical back-up. Not for me I'm affraid.

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dveisalive
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 7:01:11 PM
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OK people, dont you know that HDD's die over time. It is like human life we tend to die over time, just like a HDD, so for example it sounds like a good idea but disk last for an eternity, unless you break them or scratch them etc.... but there is even higher capacity disc than blueray-HD dvd's etc... those might be used for future generations, but if the Next systems, or when ever they stop using disc, is a time when the games you download and leave on your hardrive will last as long as your console itself, or until you trade it in for the next generation console after that one and so on! LOL! its just stupid!

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Detroyer 1250
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 9:47:23 PM
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I hate the idea of not having a game disk. This just like the ever growing number of only online games make me extremely mad. The best games ever this generation are MGS4, GTA4, Bioshock and dead space, all games that are single player. They won't, or i hope they will never make games only dowloadable: i won't buy them.

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RebelExtrm02
Friday, December 05, 2008 @ 10:06:23 PM
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Until a 90Mbps connection is $40 a month I'll just take the physical media please. It might make sense in japan with their 1EE7 interwebs, but here in BFE, USA it would just be inconvenient.

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AnonymousPoster
Saturday, December 06, 2008 @ 6:34:53 AM
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The day game companies stop distributing products on discs is the day I stop buying games. I find the idea of digital distribution to be repulsive.

If I can't touch it, I won't buy it.

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AntDC
Saturday, December 06, 2008 @ 4:53:46 PM
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This would suck. The bandwidth where I live sucks, and I can't see it getting much faster any time soon. I wouldn't mind this if I had the option of either buying online or from a store though. But of course they would make more money if they were just downloadable.

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Lairfan
Sunday, December 07, 2008 @ 4:49:13 PM
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What happens when the power goes out when you're using your system, or the HDD goes bad, and you don't have a physical disk to backup all of that info on?

I'm alright with this idea as long as it utilizes disks as backup devices. If doesn't utilize disks, people will be losing content all over the place.

It's just stupid not to use disks as a backup plan for this system, because otherwise people are going to stop DLing these games real quick. And it will be the console makers to blame for not putting a damn disk drive on their consoles.

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