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Square-Enix "Westward Expansion" Little More Than A Cop-Out?

You know, at first, we were willing to give Square-Enix the benefit of the doubt and simply agree that their perceived gravitation towards Microsoft is nothing more than good business, and they're not really turning their back on long-time PlayStation loyalists. However, we're quickly moving past this theory and starting to adopt a darker, more negative outlook...

A recent post over at Gamer.Blorge turned us onto the Siliconera report that the Xbox 360 exclusive RPG, Star Ocean: The Last Hope, will need 3 DVDs. Now, this is something we should've most certainly expected, but then we read the Blorge article and began to reflect more on the current situation. Quite clearly, they'll need multiple discs for the 360 version of Final Fantasy XIII as well, and they further admitted they won't start working on that version until the PlayStation 3 iteration is complete. Hence, the only conclusion one can reach is that Square-Enix is going out of their way to produce a 360 version for North America. This is only marginally suspicious, but when it comes to something like the new Star Ocean - a series that has only known PlayStation consoles, by the way - how is it "good business" or even "expanding" business by making a game specifically for the 360 with the lesser software format? On top of which, we're talking about a JRPG, which typically never fare well on a Microsoft console. Sooo...what's all this about?

Sure, one could argue that with a project like The Last Remnant, work began before Blu-Ray solidified their victory over HD-DVD, and the PS3 was still very early in its life cycle with a tiny user base in comparison to the 360. This is probably why the game debuted first on the 360 (of course, now that we've seen the reviews, we're not anxiously awaiting its release on the PS3). However, we can't find a legitimate reason for putting The Last Hope solely on the 360. The only reason? Er...we're sensing a definite Microsoft bias right now. It's one thing to expand westward and increase the radius of your target circle, so-to-speak, but they're not doing that by making a game exclusive to one platform. Damnit.

12/7/2008 Ben Dutka

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GoldenShadow
Sunday, December 07, 2008 @ 10:18:51 PM
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It really is too bad, I really enjoy most of SE's games.

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MirrorSoul
Sunday, December 07, 2008 @ 10:23:44 PM
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I agree 100 percent thats why i have turned my back to Square Enix until they put out FF13 as a timed exclusive which it in all right should be or Kingdom Hearts 3 is announced as a PS3 Exclusive. (Off Subject) I have heard that Sony has 5 RPG's unnanounced in development and one was LEGENDS OF DRAGOON 2....idk but if that happens...by God...I will set my house aflame!?!?!?

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laxpro2001
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 2:20:18 AM

Yea I'm upset to see this too... I'm also fed up with getting my hopes up for KH3. It was supposively going to be at TGS in 2007 and 2008, but nope they failed big time. Wierd though, I didn't see too much complaining on the boards and I feel like I was alone in feeling upset when the announcment didn't come.

SE needs to get their heads on straight and wise up before they chase too many fans away.

Also I actually would love to see LOTD 2, but with new characters probably b/c the original was one of my favorite rpgs.

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Mole
Sunday, December 07, 2008 @ 10:29:44 PM
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This reminds me of an article I read a while ago. PS2 had some GREAT rpgs, Final Fantasy X and my personal favorite Rogue Galaxy. Now it seems the rpgs have been shifted to Microsoft's stable while Sony is the Shooter home. I believe in good gaming regardless of the console...minus the Wii, but I mean come on. I bought Enchanted Arms because I was desperate for a rpg, at least Level 5's game is still an exclusive. I guess money does talk.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, December 07, 2008 @ 10:35:01 PM

Didn't I write that article...?

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 12:35:38 AM

Pretty sure ya did Ben...

Only place I continuously come for my news...


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The_Chimeran
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 4:04:48 PM

Yeah i think ben did right an article about it, but like it was also pretty apparent early on that things had switched around. but here's the thing though, yeah 360 has more rpg's but like how many of them are good. Lost odyssey, fallout 3, maybe ifinite discovery. to me it just looks like rpg's are dying, and really quick at that. It looks like the only thing similar in rpg's fo these days and of the past years is how many accesories and weapons there are, the rest is more and more twitch gaming. :(
P.S: Ben/arnold/whoever what's up with the forums? I know they're down and all but like I miss not being able to write my own "stories". Do you have an estimate as to when they're coming back up?

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AntDC
Sunday, December 07, 2008 @ 10:33:56 PM
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I'm not being a S-E game this generation unless I know it's near perfect. Even then I'm gonna think twice about it... they obviously don't have time for the PS3... well maybe I don't have time for them.

Bring on Level 5.

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Sir Shak
Sunday, December 07, 2008 @ 11:12:59 PM
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can someone tell me the difference between an RPG and a normal action/adventure game ?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 1:49:27 AM

RPG's are super heavy on plot and character, and everybody is emo :)

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laxpro2001
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 2:22:17 AM

lol yea basically what he said except for the emo.. I think
When I was much younger, I used to describe them as the games with a lot of talking if that helps ;)

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karneli lll
Sunday, December 07, 2008 @ 11:33:28 PM
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i never thought there'd be a day when i overlooked a final fantasy but this might just be the beginning of the end of my love for ff.

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Fatcat3788
Sunday, December 07, 2008 @ 11:49:52 PM
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... I have nothing to add to this. Any more complaining from me is just beating a dead horse... Now I am just getting into depressed mode.

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 12:38:06 AM
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Im getting this Sickening Feeling at the core of my stomach. If Squeenix was an individual person I'd LOVE to give him A Round House Kick To The FACE...a la Chuck Norris!!!

I Hate Hypocrites!!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 1:50:05 AM

And a punch from the third fist beneath the beard.

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HUSO
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 12:52:25 AM
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microsoft's last hope for survival, now i really doubt FFv13 is gonna be exclusive.

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coverton341
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 11:00:39 AM

I was just thinking the same thing with a tear in my eye and I was also thinking (puts flame resistant clothes on), I was thinking that KH3 my not be on the PS3 at all. Think about it what would "garner" even more support than a Star Ocean 360 exclusive? Obviously a KH3 360 exclusive would "win" the most friends for Squeenix from the 360 crowd.

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Scarecrow
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 12:52:54 AM
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Couldn't agree more with the article
Square-eeeeeeeeeeeeeeenix is turning into "has-beens" right before our eyes.

Not only are they not releasing a single rpg for the ps3 but all their 360 exclusive games have been ok to mediocre.

You know I actually don't miss their rpgs since their all sucking :D

SE should change their name to "Final Fantasy" that's the only good game they make. And Star Ocean, but that game only comes out once every 8 years or so lol...(Dragon Quest doesn't come out for consoles anymore really so not counting it).

Anyway that's why I encourage people to check out stuff like Valkyria Chronicles(strategy rpg), Persona, White Knight Chronicles, etc.

White Knight Chronicles will sell a lot, I'm really hoping for it to sell like crazy. Just to piss off Square-eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenix.

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Arvis
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 1:30:32 PM

Yeah, I now officially own Valkyria Chronicles and Eternal Sonata on the PS3 and will own Disgaea 3 by the end of the month. All great RPGs, all better than the crap S-E has churned out so far.

-Arvis

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kreate
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 1:12:19 AM
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i am a loyal fan of square enix since the nintendo days. but i feel betrayed by square enix and now, i have turned my back against them. they can suck my **** and lick my ****.

only way i'm going back to square enix software is if they don't come up with bull*** plans with kingdom hearts3.

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aaronisbla
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 1:31:01 AM
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SE aint making much sense lately. Wouldn't expanding westward include the ps3 seeing as thoguh it also moves units? its not like aint selling like how the 360 doesnt sell in japan.

Of course they have been persuaded by microsoft's money. Why can't they take a hint like capcom did " oh shit, sony's system is selling, lets hurry up and jump on it!"

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englishgolfer
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 1:54:29 AM
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does anyone know what japanese users think of square enix? i'm looking for solid answers not rumours here....

personally it smells like M$ money here but they can keep the last remnant as it doesn't seem too good

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 1:58:52 AM
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Anger is mounting in my hungover brain as I read this. M$'s money is just a length of rope with which SE is hanging themselves. I've always been a FF fan, but this kind of treachery is uncalled for. Apparently "westernization" means making crappy games that barely run, on an outdated medium for a system that caters to people who don't even play RPGs. Fail Fail Fail. I'll save my money for devs who are about the game and not the money.

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Arvis
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 1:31:41 PM

*applauds wildly*

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 2:23:55 AM
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Well i cant say im looking forward t othe Last Reminant now aftr the 360 reviews, though im not counting Square-Enix out yet, i really enjoyed Crisis Core, it felt just as the old days.I also enjoyed Star Ocean 3 quite alot to.

FF7,8 & 9 in my eyes are just pure perfection! They really do amaze me, I doubt any games will ever ever have such an impact on me again! its a shame they cant release a game to the same standard, but i can certainly understand the difficulty in doing so. FFXII in my opinion was a disaster, nothing really stood out, characters story, places or art design. it became a chore to complete and is probaly the most diapointing game ive ever played ( as ive stated before many times)

but looking at all my favourite game series from the PS1 days..... all of them seem to be on a down fall, Final Fantasy, Tekken, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Silent Hill, Metal Gear is over (come on, it is really) its quite sad really.

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aaronisbla
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 3:23:57 AM

seriously, i think FF8 was utter trash

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Scarecrow
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 12:14:14 PM

And FFVII's my least favorite...

Go figure

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Arvis
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 1:32:38 PM

I love VII and VIII but IX was my least favorite... which I still loved...

-Arvis

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crapreviews
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 3:48:30 AM
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Um who is SE? lmao.... thats how i see it. They lost my respect when they threw us LOYAL playstation 1 and playstation 2 fans out the window when playstation 3 came out.

LEVEL 5 (white knight cronicles) is my new SE... lol

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LightShow
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 6:38:28 AM
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I agree, I'm trading in Enix for L5. Their work looks like it's as good/better than Enix, and they actually WANT my business.

I'm just stuck on the WHY? Enix will say it was the result of a cost/benefit analysis, but the way they're behaving, it looks an awful lot like a suit has a personal vendetta...

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Sir Shak
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 7:13:03 AM
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then how come mgs4 is not called an rpg ?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 8:36:07 AM

RPG's typically have certain elements, this is rapidly changing these days but certain things to look out for are: lots of NPCs that you can engage in conversation (and typically repeat themselves over and over), encounters with enemies often result in the game switching over into a "battle mode" that sometimes takes place on a whole new field, heavy ability to customize a character's weapons and armor so as to always be striving for the best equipment, you usually wind up putting together a team (always meeting people who come and go with your group) and winning battles typically raises the player's "stats" and this can be done almost endlessly until your group has God-like powers.

So while you DO play a role in MGS4, it's considered a different genre. Hope I helped :)

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Sir Shak
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 10:02:24 AM
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thanks , i kind of get the picture now .

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PS3_Wizard
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 10:17:56 AM
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*sets up .50 caliber sniper rifle*
"come out, come out where ever you are SE President!"

I'll lead the revolution against the traitorous swine SE!!!

WHO'S WITH ME???

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Riku994
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 10:50:38 AM
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They really should announce KH3 sometime, but here's my theory on that (major off topic-ness but I'll get back to it, dont worry)

At the end of KH1, there was the secret ending, Deep Dive, which was a look into KH2. At the end of KH2, there was Birth By Sleep, a look into , obviously, Birth By Sleep. What I'm guessing is that once BBS is released, there will be a secret ending from that showing us something from KH3, and it'll be announced shortly after that.

Now, as for timed exclusivity for FF13 on PS3, I do NOT see why they can't do that. They're doing it for the Last Remnant on the 360, and they're making Satr Ocean 4 (as Ben said) 360 EXCLUSIVE. Is there something wrong with timed exlusivity? No, not at all. Is there something wrong when a company refusing to have it on one console but welcomes it on another? Yes! Hey, I'm glad FFv13 is still exclusive, but that may not even last, and I'd rather that have gone multiplat than the actual FF13, because since FF7 (aside from FF11) the numbered iterations of Final Fantasy have been, you guessed it, SONY EXLUSIVE. And no SE, that's NOT an invitation for you to put FFv13 multiplat, and if they even THINK about making KH3 360 exclusive, SE or any product with their name on it will never see a penny of my money again. FF13 betrayal was one thing, timed exclusivity issues are one thing, but completely abandoning a console that make a franchise so popular is another. I never played Star Ocean so the whole SO4 thing doesn't affect me, but by God if they do it with KH3 I'm gunna be one pissed off Canadian.

Now, as for the "announcement" of a LoD2, that would be freakin EPIC! So long as they keep the addition system, I don't care what they do with the game!

And before I end this comment, White Knight Chronicles is awesome, and Ben is the best reporter Ever! Thanks for reading this really long comment :)

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Dante399
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 1:15:44 PM

"Now, as for the "announcement" of a LoD2, that would be freakin EPIC! So long as they keep the addition system, I don't care what they do with the game!"

Do you mean Legend Of The Dragoon 2? Wow....I was waiting for this game forever!!! When is it gonna be released?
Man you got me really psyched!!

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Riku994
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 7:59:36 PM

I dont think it was released, one of the commenters ( I think the very first one) said sony announced 5 new rpgs and LoD2 was one of them, but I looked and I don't think it's true, sorry.

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Dante399
Tuesday, December 09, 2008 @ 2:07:01 AM

Sony better start making RPGs soon because a game console without RPGs is a doomed one.

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Nynja
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 12:32:51 PM
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FFVII remake exclusive to PS3 is the only way Squenix can save face with the Sony community now.

Unless, FF13 Versus remains exclusive and turns out to be a stellar game (see: FF7 & FF10).

Keep up the great journalism Ben.

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MirrorSoul
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 3:15:57 PM

The thing is that the rights to FF7 is in Sony's hands(Thus even though there were a handfull of spinoffs they were only on Playstation Products) and if Square Enix confirms to release of the remake XBOX is screwed.(in the RPG genere). Look at it, the two most Reconizable Characters in RPG history (Cloud and Sepiroth)being remade in Glorious HD graphics and only being found on Playstation. Thats enough to warrent the PS3 as RPG central and push all of Square Enix's Xbox 360 Rpg hype out the window. So it all come down to when Sony will pay SE the cash for the Remake (Sony owns the FF7 univers but wouldnt cant use the Final Fantasy name since it is considerd a "series")

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MirrorSoul
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 3:16:00 PM

Sorry double post

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Riku994
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 12:42:34 PM
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FFv13 will be stellar, it's got a battle system like Kingdom Hearts, and it just looks cool overall.

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Dante399
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 1:07:16 PM
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Damn SquareEnix...Enix is a curse, when it was SquareSoft it was great, but now look at them...they're pathetic hypocrites.
I was a fan of Squaresoft from the very beginning and I've just lost interest this year. Since their betrayal of their entire fanbase no game veteran like me would give them #$%!! respect!

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MetalHead09
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 2:24:52 PM
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well ive said it before but ill say it again since any news about square is depressing and just pisses me off. im even gonna go as far as to say that if anyone that has a ps3 buys any of squares games (if they ever make a ps3 game) you are no better than them. im NEVER going to buy a game that has squares name on it. im not going to buy ff13 or anything else from them. they piss all over us sony guys and the only way to make it worse is if anyone with a sony console buys their games. every company makes mistakes and stuff and that understandable but this is really getting out of hand, they are the biggest piece of CRAP sell outs that the industry has ever known and im done with them. id strongly encourage anyone with a sony console to tell them to pack it. what i was trying to say earlier but i just now got the words, ANY self respecting gamer would not put up with and buy a square enix game, if you do you might as well cut your balls off.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 2:45:44 PM
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Besides my typical angst over SE these days, it's really kind of sad to see what they are doing to the RPG in general. This gen has seen the most powerful systems that we could never have imagined existing back in the days of FF1 and FF4, we all know PS3 has the ability to do things with RPG's that just could never have been done before and look what we get: the leader of the pack is stripping down games for an install base that never wanted or needed their games for any other reason than to say "nah nah nah" to Sony fans. Spreading games across many disks, which does more than make you have to swap now and then, it forces devs to remove the ability to return to some places on previous discs, play time has gone from 60-80 hours down to 20-30, and finally the disk space issue means there will not be RPG's this gen that are able to do away with hundreds of text boxes in favor of real human voices. This move by SE is NOT good business sense for anyone trying to sell that argument here. Look how many loyal fans have sworn them off now. Some suits in SE have really F'ed up here and I think it's sad what they have done not only to us, but to an exquisite art form.

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ps92117
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 3:07:44 PM
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I am also at an extreme anger with enix, but unfortunately no matter how much we scream our heads of they will never hear us. the only way they will change there ways is if they did the same thing that they did with mgs some sort of death threat however that wont hapen.One thought that has me in horror is the idea of a remake of ff7 going to any other consel besids the ps3 or ps4 . may god forbid that. i would fall to my knees and and cry till I scream my lungs out

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MetalHead09
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 3:26:11 PM

yea i hear yuh.

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BigBoss4ever
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 3:52:41 PM
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Square-Enix is way off the track!!! They will pay a high price for it, sooner or later, and I am waiting for that day. When it comes and when all the top heads are fired, I have no tears for them wutsoever, cuz they f***ed up for themselves. Only hope is Square should live on, top heads are gone, and good old days are restored.

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bearbobby
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 4:09:40 PM
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Wow, there's a lot of hurt in this comment section. I wonder if any SE reps ever read here the woes of those who feel left behind, or worse, betrayed.

I wonder if it's similar to those Nintendo fans who felt betrayed losing their signiture rpg series to the original Playstation. Though in that case it was a correlation between technology and finances.

At the time the PS was pushing the cd tech and I fondly remember a two page ad in a gaming mag, EGM or some such, that compared the 3 discs to the dozen cartridges it would have taken on a Nintendo system, with each cartridge costing like $24 just to manufacture.

In a case like that I can understand switching to the platform that would produce the best game for the least price, but in today's market I simply don't understand why they'd shun the PS3 community. The only reason, the ONLY reason I can see is $$$. And that sucks.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 5:00:55 PM

They've gone ass backwards, they ditched carts for cds, but somehow are shunning blu-ray for DVD, pretty weird if u ask me.

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shadowpal2
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 4:10:59 PM
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Personally I just want to see Tetsuya Nomura get out of Square Enix, along w/ the Kingdom Hearts team and Advent Children team. Once they're out, there is no reason why people should look up to Square Enix for good games anymore. Tetsuya Nomura is the guy behind the character designs, once there isn't anymore character designs - GOODBYE Square Enix and their Final Fantasies.

I wish I could see Tetsuya in another company like Atlus - that would just be plain sick. If he created a new franchise and stuff.

I'm just done with Square Enix I've honestly had it with their nonsense and what Mr. Wada is putting it through. The business strategy honestly doesn't make sense.

The only thing keeping FF Versus XIII exclusive in my opinion is because Tetsuya Nomura is the one behind it. If he wasn't - then goodbye to that as an exclusive.

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Banky A
Monday, December 08, 2008 @ 10:58:05 PM
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I agree with everybody xD
As well as Tetsuya Nomura should be setting them straight. Wada and the other leader have lost their bonkas'.

If there was no way to make FFXIII an exclusive on PS3 then I would rather be last to get it, so it removes any immediate ideas that the Xbox 360 might get a augmented, more complete version (a la Eternal Sonata coming to PS3).
I only said that because so far it seems like FF Versus XIII is exclusive and looks like a very good game with story (I like dark stories xD). I just won't touch any game with a reputation as high as Final Fantasy that has tainted relations with Xbox LOLLLLZZZ.

And I really hope White Knight Chronicle is great so Square-Enix gets a wake up call. I loved Level 5's Dark Chronicle (aka Dark Cloud 2) so I know I won't be disappointed.

And lastly, I FRICKIN' loved Star Ocean 3, the fact that the next installment has a high chance of not being on PS3 makes me so pi*sed.
That's one stupid move by SE.

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ceedot
Tuesday, December 09, 2008 @ 7:10:28 PM
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microsoft obviously has a big pocket for square enix.

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dhell
Wednesday, December 10, 2008 @ 10:46:48 PM
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SE has gone down the deep end. that why im start look forward to more rpg on the ps3 from nis, konami, atlus, namco and some others i cant remember.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:57:22 AM
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Why does everyone feel its betraying by giving us great titles also?

Whats next? Rockstar betrayed you?

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desktopartist
Wednesday, December 17, 2008 @ 4:20:55 PM

it is a betrayal... saying that it is going to be on the PS3 and no other console then slapping us with a multi platform sticker is a betrayal...

would it be a betrayal if Halo 3 or Gears of War 2 will be multi platform... that xbox 360 lost two of its greatest games to the PS3...

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