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The PS3 Will Prove Its Power In 2009

Those of you who remember the early days of the PS2 will remember the ongoing joke amongst those who didn't like the console. It went something like, "oh yeah, where's all that 'hidden power'?" They said this because Sony promised the system was capable of a lot more than the launch titles presented, and obviously, the likes of God of War II, Final Fantasy XII and Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater can't really be compared to the likes of Summoner, Tekken Tag Tournament and TimeSplitters. It's like comparing two different platforms, really, which essentially verified Sony's claims. However, most just remember that old joke, and were quick to apply it to the PlayStation 3. Of course, PlayStation consoles are notoriously difficult to develop for initially, so the jokes endure but typically, Sony has the last laugh.

And now that we're entering the third year of the generation, is it now time for the PS3 to separate itself from the Xbox 360 in terms of visuals? Speaking strictly in regards to raw power and potential, the PS3 has the definite edge, but the question has always been: "can the developers even tap into it? Can they take advantage?" Well, let's just say this. We've already sampled the Killzone 2 beta and early single-player build. We've seen what Heavy Rain gameplay looks like. We've heard David Jaffe rave his head off after seeing some of God of War III. Uncharted 2 will look amazing (as did the original), and is anyone really expecting anything less than a graphically astounding presentation in Gran Turismo 5? First of all, I really don't see anything in Microsoft or Nintendo's 2009 lineup that can compete with these exclusives next year, but for the sake of this piece, I'm specifically centering on the graphics. Thus far, the argument can rage- Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and LittleBigPlanet vs. Gears of War II, Halo 3, Left 4 Dead and other graphically intense 360 titles. Which batch is better? The anal visual freaks could go on for days.

But perhaps the argument dies next year. As was the case with the Xbox and PS2 - everyone had to admit the Xbox was more capable, and typically produced better-looking titles - perhaps it will be time for everyone to concede that the 360 can't compete with the PS3. Many theorize that while the PS3 has a loooong ways to go in terms of potential, the 360 is just about maxed out, and unless I see concrete evidence of 360 titles vastly outstripping the current productions in 2009 and beyond, I think the conclusion is clear. Most developers and analysts said the exact same thing, even at the start of the PS3's lifespan, when it was all doom and gloom. They said the PS3 will eventually pass the 360 in terms of graphics, and that day may be fast approaching. Let me repeat the list: Killzone 2, God of War III, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, and Gran Turismo 5. All I'm asking - and it's a legitimate question - is what in Microsoft's or Nintendo's exclusive repertoire can compete with that as far as overall quality is concerned? And what on the 360 can compete where the graphics are concerned?

Honestly, even the most ardent Xbox lover has to admit that things could change drastically in 2009. And remember, I was one of the first to acknowledge the Xbox over the PS2; I bought most all multiplatform titles on Microsoft's console last generation. This time around? I'm thinking not. And especially when talking about the exclusives, it appears to be game, set and match in favor of Sony...

12/11/2008 Ben Dutka

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Comments (177 posts)

kreate
Thursday, December 11, 2008 @ 10:29:23 PM
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well... xbox's 09 line up is like:
halo wars, halo recon, star ocean4

that's it.
while ps3 has a far better lineup in 09.
it also seems like microsoft will dump the 360 by the start of 2010. 2009 is probably xbox's last year of its life. let's see if microsoft will announce a 720 by the end of next year.

we all know RPG games on 4 disk sucks balls. sony went through that with the ps1. what is this? the 90's?

microsoft did extrememly well for a sucky @ss hardware. most of the months of 09 will be outbeaten by ps3 just like 08 was.

i'm still not sure y ppl are happy about paying 50 buck a year for online play. HOME launched today and i'm still figuring things out.

xbox360's last hope: halo4 made by gearbox(?) and not by bungie. sucks. (rumor)

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Phoelix
Thursday, December 11, 2008 @ 10:47:49 PM

Don't forget Gears 3 and the next Fable.

And we can't forget that this is basically the same thing we said at the beginning of the year. It has helped bridge the gap between PS3 and 360, but it hasn't done the job completely.

What I think this really outlines is the fact that consumers are morons that really only look at either a) what their friends have or b) what's cheaper (at least on the surface). Sony's business model seems to focus more on producing a superior product than outselling the competition or making huge sums of money. Hence the network is free and Sony never pays for exclusives, and are relying on developers making awesome games. Hence Ben writes this article.

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wasim
Thursday, December 11, 2008 @ 11:15:12 PM

well PS3 is outselling the x360 in europe and Japan

please note that

x360 is selling in USA because it is 1/2 price as PS3 and also because of US recession

There wont be any Fable 3 or Gears 3 in 2009

In 2009 x360 has no games basically and SONY will give MS the final deathblow by dropping PS3's price


Uncharted 2
Ratchet 2
WKS
GT5
KZ2
GOW3
Infamous
Heavy Rain

I think KZ2 will give x360 the final deathblow in USA

U have to remember that PS3 and x360 are just 5m consoles apart

SONY will finish off x360 in 2009

besides x360 doesnt have the horsepower to stand against Uncharted 2/HR /GOW3 /KZ2 and MAG

for MS and x360 2008 is the last year in console market

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, December 11, 2008 @ 10:54:09 PM
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360 is already owned in '09, and I'm not counting out White Knight Chronicles from that list. Yeah RPG graphics typically aren't on par with the likes of shooters and racers, but it will be the very first to come in native 1080p and the screenies we saw weren't yet polished up. For an RPG it is gonna be splendiferous.

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bustin98
Thursday, December 11, 2008 @ 10:54:36 PM
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I've been watching The Dark Knight on BluRay. The PS3 is awesome for that. Hellboy II is kick ass as well.

I'll agree that developers can get more out of the PS3 than the 360 as far as graphics go. But overall quality is onus of the individual developer and not indicative of the console.

A question I would pose is "Who cares?" Is this a "my dick is bigger than yours" contest? Even as NPD reports are coming in saying the dude with smallest dick on the block is getting 20x the pussy. Oh, he lives in the basement and doesn't get the quality pussy the guys in the penthouse get.

Strange how well that analogy worked out... I could take it further but I'll stop now.

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BigBoss4ever
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 2:57:39 AM

LOL thats very funny, however, I have to say the "p**** d*** analogy" kicks ass.

P.S. I never doubt for even a second that PS3 is the most powerful game machine on the planet for this generation from day one. What needs to catch up is the games and developer's skill to update their developing frames and technical capability to match the PS3's power.

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MasLB51
Thursday, December 11, 2008 @ 11:09:00 PM
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agreed completely

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Scarecrow
Thursday, December 11, 2008 @ 11:13:05 PM
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And if the new ICO turns up next year? hehehehehehe

Don't forget inFamous


By the way it's good to see that Ben remembers what it was like during ps2's first years.

"too hard to develop for!!!"
"no more powerful than the Dreamcast"

I still remember it clearly.

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Fatcat3788
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:08:10 AM
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I think my biggest gripe about microsoft during all this is that it seems they don't try to drive the systems. I mean besides being graphically superior there wasn't much else offered from the Xbox360. Now I am not saying that they don't have some good developers (including great developers like Epic games) because I loved Gears of War 2, but as for hardware there wasn't much new. Not only is the hardware not driving videogames forward but buying exclusives is a hindrance to game development. I mean if they rather spent their money to help other developers DEVELOP games rather than just pay money to get a game already made timed-exclusive then I believe that we would be seeing way more exclusive 85+ scored videogames on metacritic for the xbox. I just don't think that microsoft has done anything to drive the videogame industry forward.
As for the PS3 showing it's true potential for the year of 2009? I sure as hell hope so. I want to see how the Ps3 can drive this industry forward in all aspect of a game. I think/hope this will show with the awesome line-up of not only PS3 Exclusives but multiplatform games as well.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:13:33 PM

How are they not driving games? Online gameplay..harddrives..your own music in games.

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Fatcat3788
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 5:59:14 AM

Online play has been around for awhile now. We got that in Xbox 1 as well as harddrives. I can disagree with you about the in game music but that isn't exactly driving videogames forward. So your rebuttal just gave my argument examples of what I am talking about...

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aaronisbla
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:11:13 AM
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well they Do have a title called Alan Wake, i heard it will look extremely good

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Arvis
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:19:14 PM

Nobody knows anything about that game. The only reason anyone has heard of it is because desperate 360 fans are clinging to it as a "great future exclusive" because they have nothing else to look forward to.

-Arvis

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isaya85
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:19:02 AM
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I think we all knew even the xbox fans that PS3 would out shine the 360 at some point and it first started with MGS4

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dveisalive
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:55:38 AM
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OK I'll start by saying that Killzone 2 will start the crazy tech leap that PS3 will show in 09 .

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jlch777
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 1:08:00 AM
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'09 GT5,KZ2,Uncharted2,GOW3......Oh My GOOOOD!!!!

Hallelujah!!!!

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AceTatsujin
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 1:11:06 AM
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You guys DO notice that MS is trying very hard to release their so-called big hitters around K2 so people won't go buying K2 when Halo Wars is out, right? Lmao. Sony give them another strong blow, they're releasing K2 in Europe on the first week of Feb which is gonna suck majorly for them. MS is trying very, very hard. No hate on the 360, I'm hating on MS. They fucked up everything and the way gaming should have been.

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moose88
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 1:12:16 AM
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Hey! I LIKED Summoner, TTT and TSplitters!! ... I was, however, working on a tiny island in the South Pacific back then so any entertainment was regarded highly :)

Bring on 2009!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:22:24 AM

I liked them, too. I was just using them for graphical examples. :)

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DeadReaper
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 1:20:35 AM
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I completely agree with everyone. '09 will be the year of the PS3. KZ2 launching in febuary will be the 1st of many direct hits fired by sony next year. I cant see PS3 competely knocking X-Box off the market, but ms will be re-thinking some things at years end.

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nnnick
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 1:58:44 AM
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Go to sleep and have an nice dream sony fans, because Playstation 3 is doomed and so is Sony.
Sony has already start to terminate their employees, 8000 just for the start and it comes more. It's time for sony fans to start mourn.

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LCF
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:44:02 AM

Wow you are small minded,go look at what microsoft did to their employees few years ago and was court ordered not to make their employees work over 50hrs with no overtime 6 days a week and lord knows how many anti-trust lawsuits microsoft had to pay out.Thats just the tip of the iceberg let alone microsoft knowning about the RROD and STILL shipping out a defective product to gamers,gamers as in US! I went though 3 damn x360 then end up buying the elite cause warranty exp.Now buy all accounts a 33% defect rate is the highest I've ever seen for any product and the government should of stepped in and took action,but Bush's admin are a bunch of lazy asses to do that of course other ppl say that microsoft's game divison just bought them off,me I just say its laziness.Now with Sony laying off 8,000 ppl is not bad when you think that Sony is a worldwide company with many campuses in many countries I'm surprised they did not lay off more.This is the worst economic downturn in the history of the world.So pray to whatever god you believe in that you still have your fastfood job in the morning.

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moose88
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:44:41 AM

Hey, Nnnick? Don't go anywhere for the next 12 months, I would sure like you to be around so we can discuss your prophecy...

I don't think any of us here agree with you, let alone the geniuses (geni-i?) at Sony that are currently capitalizing on market share of the largest entertainment industry in the world...

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dveisalive
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:17:57 AM

what are you talking about nnick? that has nothing to do with the sells of PS3 but towards other sony distributors, or products of Sony other than PS3

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Strifewind
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 8:49:39 AM

nnick:

If you weren't so narrow-minded, you would realize that Sony got hit very hard this year in their Ericson division, and also in their MP3 player division because of the iPhone and iPods raging success. This is what costed them to loose a lot of sales, money, and eventually layoff some employees.

So do your homework and get your damn facts straight before you come into a discussion like a flailing fucktard.

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Fane1024
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:12:47 PM

You do realize that NONE of those 8000 are part of SCE? They're all in the electronics divisions.

I hate to feed the troll, but ...

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Murdi
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 2:01:12 AM
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Yeah.. I agree with all of you, another promising title is Quantum Theory from Team Ninja, don't forget it ;)

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Scarecrow
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:29:05 AM

Oh yeah that too

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dveisalive
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:14:32 AM
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Oh yeah My Grand Turismo 5 for 2009 I hope!

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Crudii
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:27:47 AM
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2009 will most certainly be the year of PS3...I don't think anyone here will disagree to that..well maybe except nnnick..

ANYWAYS other then that the only thing is, we'll hopefully see ps3 sales rise faster then the 360 but exceeding the total sales with a 5m difference could be us being a bit too optimistic. No matter how much I would love that too happen but lets keep hoping for the best..nonetheless 2009 will see the ps3 exclusives run all over the 360!!!

On the other hand hello to everyone and Ben I would like to add that I've been following this site for over a year and a half just never commented..
I really appreciate the honest reviews and all the news you guys post everyday...It really does help in the lazy mornings..Keep it up Ben and co...

P.s. I think we all would like to get an update on the mystery lady and situation Ben ;)

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Dr_Frodo
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:48:34 AM
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For Christ sake, do you really need to list all the top PS3 games in most of the articles?

Yes, we know there are fantastic games coming out, but I'm sick of reading the same list in most of these articles. (For example, did you really need to list games in the Heavy Rain article? No, I didn't think so)

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Scarecrow
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:31:06 AM

They're that good to list twice in a short period of time.

"all the time"

Well twice in like a day isn't "all the time"

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MetalHead09
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:16:03 PM

wow man mellow out, id rather read them over and over again than forget one. if you dont want to read them than done.

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Dr_Frodo
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:42:56 PM

Have a look through some of the past posts then, he does it quite a lot. It's very annoying.

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LCF
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 5:19:04 AM
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With the PS4 we'll see a 20 core Cell B.E processor.This year in 2008 IBM improved the design that makes the Cell even faster and added a higher ceiling to alot of it's specifications which im not going to go into detail cuz it's 2am lol.Now with this and the Cell able to render with out a GPU,Intel next set of chips are designed similar to the Cell B.E.Which mean future PCs wont need a GPU.Future processors like the Cell B.E of today will do all its rendering internally.Like I said no matter how powerful your GPU is,it is still govern by the CPU and with this new chip design by IBM,Sony(Toshiba) you will see other chip makers follow suit with this design.I know Intel is,you'll prolly see AMD do this as well if they want to compete in the market.Compared to PC the X360 was outdated 2 years ago.Yea yea gears 1.5 yea yea whatever that whole damn game got slowed down cause the tighten textures is too much for the X360 to handle and takes even longer for the 4 layer textures to load.Its funny really if you think about it.In order for microsoft to compete in the 8th gen of consoles they will either have to invest in proprietary HD disks(35-50gig)or go license from Sony for Blu-ray technology or do the digital dist. which is not going to happen since most BB internet providers are putting a cap on downloads a month.Im only allowed 250 gigs a month.Microsoft really screwed up not using Toshiba's HD-DVD as its format instead of using the DVD9.Even with the fall of HD-DVD the X360 would have a decent storage on the disk.Next is the system.I see a Cell type design in microsofts future and if it's not like the PS4 with a 20 core Cell B.E processor.I think the next console from microsoft will end up like the gamecube(in limbo) So microsoft better think this next one though and not rush it like they did with the x360 just to beat the competition.But I think in 2 years time you will see a new console from microsoft,they really have no choice.Oh and before you xbots get all gleamy eye and say the next xbox will be advance.Yea? well will it have the Cell or similar in design processor? like Intel is currently making and prolly AMD.How long will it be advanced? it only took PC a year and a half to outdate the X360 from launch.Will it be defective? Can you really trust microsoft even after they knew about the defect in the X360 and still sent it out? My $600 (80gig upgraded to 320gig)investment will last me 10 years,and will always be supported by Sony.Can you say that about microsoft with their xbox line? Then you hear its the games the games! well if Sony came out 1st over a year of its competition Sony would have alot of games too.Then you get the ones that go and say its about the game play(those are the ones that know the X360 is out of date graphically)Well I say to those,guess what? It takes technology to give you fresh and unique gameplay.Look at LBP for an example.A physics based game.Never could of been done before,the mathematics involved in that game is amazing and not to mention the hi-rez textures it renders.All those calculations are even difficult for the PC to do.Remember it takes 100 PCs to make a super computer and only 8 PS3s.I can't imagine how or what a 20 core Cell can do.

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bearbobby
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 5:21:00 PM

My Eyes! My Eyes!!! lol

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daizycutter
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 5:59:32 AM
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ahem....paragraphs

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LCF
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 6:04:09 AM

bleh,Insomnia sorry haha

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the_importer
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 6:02:59 AM
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The PS3 is a powerful piece of hardware which I truly admire as a techno freak but unfortunately, the console wars aren't about hardware, they're about software.

The PS2 was the lease powerful system of the last console war and it won by a huge margin. Same thing for the NES Vs Master System, PSone Vs N64, GameBoy Vs GameGear. By the looks of it, history is repeating itself with NDS Vs PSP and Wii Vs PS3 Vs 360.

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LCF
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 6:12:13 AM

Software huh? so whats going to happen when microsoft dumps the x360 like they did with the xbox? would you want to invest in a console that has a 10 year span or 5 years? the PS2 libary is huge nothing comes close and it still sells and it has a 10 year span that Sony still supports.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:23:45 AM

Keep saying it's all about software. Go right ahead. WE ALL KNOW THAT.

Now, about that 360 and Wii SOFTWARE that tops the games on this list. I'm STILL waiting.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:38:34 AM

Thats why I got the PS2. It had the best games. GTA3 was incredible for its time. So was GT3.

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the_importer
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:40:52 AM

If there's one thing that speaks louder than ratings or fanboys on a blog, it's numbers:

The software top 10 for November:

1. Gears of War 2 (Microsoft, Xbox 360) - 1.56 million
2. Call of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard, Xbox 360) - 1.41 million
3. Wii Play (Nintendo, Wii) - 796,000
4. Wii Fit (Nintendo, Wii) - 697,000
5. Mario Kart (Nintendo, Wii) - 637,00
6. Call of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard, PS3) - 597,000
7. Guitar Hero: World Tour (Activision Blizzard, Wii) - 475,000
8. Left 4 Dead (Electronic Arts, Xbox 360) - 410,000
9. Resistance 2 (Sony, PlayStation 3) - 385,000
10. Wii Music (Nintendo, Wii) - 297,000

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:23:19 PM

Ahem @importer, this isn't a blog.

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Crono
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:58:45 PM

I'm not the -only- one who gets irked by Yanks citing their numbers as if they account for the whole world am I? :/

Unfortunately aside from that small annoyance, your post brings several others. I can only assume you mean the 'best' console is decided by it's software and not it's hardware; so why bring sales numbers into it? I'm sure Nintendo are on top in every territory other than the US right now in software sales (and they're no slouches there either), and intuitively we all know it's not down to excellence in either the software/hardware department. So why assume that the quality of software is higher on the 360 than on the Playstation, because it's sold more in North America?

I reckon 'software quality' this generation will be almost entirely subjective. It certainly wasn't last time, but that was because of the sheer quantity of A+ games being released on the PS2 in comparison with it's competitors, and the Xbox is and will never be anywhere near this level of dominance. The article though, was about power; or more specifically graphics, which is a much nicer thing to work with in more certain terms. And with regards to graphics, (this will be more concrete when said games are released in 2009) Killzone 2 is showing it's doing everything right, and in definite terms I am certain it will be the best looking console game ever (art has no influence here) *and* the most technically impressive overall. We'll have to wait and see if the other games like Gran Turismo 5, God of War III and Uncharted 2 deliver, but most people including myself are confident.

In my opinion the likes of Uncharted and GT5: Prologue are still unsurpassed visually, Gears Of War 2 is the only game on another system which is any match for the former.

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the_importer
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 6:20:54 PM

@WorldEndsWithMe

Ya, and I'm not an Otaku >_>

@Crono

I'm not a Yank either, but I'm not ignorant enough to known that the US is currently the powerhouse for console software and hardware sales.

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Crono
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 12:44:21 PM

Actually the US is the *third* biggest gaming market in the world, behind Asia and Europe.

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6191774.html

And I'll grant you that European sales figures are notoriously hard to tack down, but if you were presenting US sales figures to show the general market position you should've added a disclaimer saying the PS3 is heavily out of favour in their market. But you've apparently ignored every question and argument in my post anyway.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 6:35:55 AM
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LOL

Look at all these people saying the same shyt they said last year.

Reality check for you guys. The PS3 is dead last and its not going to change. By the time this thing comes around this generation will be over and we will all be playing Xbox720 and Wii2.

So congrats Sony. You can forever fight the war against the 360.

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FLYING_APE
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 7:27:03 AM

I can come up with so many valid points but your a fanboy i can't reason wid ya
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I got responsibility with a small family so thats more important then this fanboy crap which seems pointless to me. When your older and more mature you will realise console war is for the nerds on the internet to fight over. so run along little one.

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Douchebaguette
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:01:22 AM

xD. You're going to fall for that? Waste a load of money again to buy another console?? If the 360 was built more carefully it would of lasted maybe nearly as long as the PS3. Idiot.

Besides, PS3 has to last long. It's like the only to ever surpass / come close PS2 sales.

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Scarecrow
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:32:58 AM

It's outselling the 360 in Europe and Japan
So your statement is has no truth in it

Just a matter of time before the ps3 outsells the 360 in the US on a monthly basis.

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Fane1024
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:22:24 PM

It already did for most of this year, then MS went crazy with the price cuts in a desperate attempt to hold off Sony for another few months (not saying they shouldn't drop the price, but it's clearly a ploy).

If the PS3 ever starts selling well in Japan (and it should when the JRPGs start to appear, especially FFXIII), the PS3 will jump ahead of the 360 and then MS will be in third place until they decide to release a new system.

Guaranteed.

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coldbore
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 6:40:53 AM
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this article said my thoughts exactly, i just don't understand why it's so hard for these xbox fans to admit that the ps3 is better, if you were to go down to japan or maybe even europe they would say that the ps3 is better (prob because microsoft is an american company) so maybe microsoft will have better chances with a xbox 720 but ps4 will come out prob the year after and have better technology and beat that to.

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Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 6:44:31 AM

Why admit to something that aint true?

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LCF
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 7:12:13 AM

Because these fanboys will never come to terms with the fact that microsoft screwed them over.Ignorance is Bliss.Understand too that alot of these fanboys dont read from the designer blogs and websites.They really dont understand the tech to create a game.These fanboys will never go to IBM and understand the all the consoles have IBM chips in them. But with Sony(Toshiba) They went to IBM and want to make something more advanced.More future proof.

Also most of the x360 gamers are 6-20 year olds and really dont think about their future.So it's no surprise you find a xbot blow his/her top cause deep down inside they know that microsoft was not thinking about their future for them.I say grow up and fricken learn to read other than your damn happy-meals.We gamers have been playing alot more then you have been alive!I was 6 when I got my 1st console the Atari 2600 and the intellivision and colecovision as well as the Vectrex.It's what got me involved working in chip fabrication.So go back to playing your out dated system and let the big boys play with the high tech gadgets like the PS3.

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Crono
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 1:10:40 PM

Ain't that the truth. The worst is when they start using technical jargon and attempt to 'prove' the RSX is leagues behind and the Cell is a poorly designed processor in comparison with the Xenon. Eventually someone always corrects them and they look like a right tit.

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robinhood2010
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 7:54:06 AM
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i care for gameplay more than graphics. and at the end of the day, its the developers who have to push the console to the max. this has nothing to do with sony or microsoft.

and why does everyone have to b*tch and moan, when at the end of the day, we are ALL gamers?

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Scarecrow
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:35:43 AM

Because not everyone can or is willing to buy both consoles(for a variety of reasons).

So it still does matter which console is doing better(or is gonna give you the best experience).

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 8:17:08 AM
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Its time to forget PlayStation. Xbox IS the future.

Ever since it came out. We know have online on every console. We know have harddrives to store tons of data.

I USED to be a HUGE Sony fan. I played the PS1 when it came out as a lil kid. Then I got the PS2. I also owned a PSP and I have played the PS3. Xbox has the best games, the best online service, and endless amounts of money from its maker. I went Microsoft and am never going back.

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Strifewind
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 8:57:51 AM

Fine, go suck Microsoft's cock... I think everyone would be happy if you did.

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Douchebaguette
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 9:58:01 AM

xD. I glad you decided to support Microsoft & the 360. Infact, i hope you never pick a PS controller in your life.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:28:41 PM

Then what are you doing on this site Joshua?

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Fane1024
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:24:41 PM

^^^

EXACTLY.

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bearbobby
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 5:42:44 PM

The Xbox is an okay system with some decent games, but it's NOT future proof.

Developers made games on the 360 and then ported them to PS3 in the past because they were taking the easy way out. Everything new and unknown is scary, as they get the hang of the Playstation's architecture, more and more will take advantage of the system's capabilities.

The only future the xbox has is at the top of the trash heap, where it will sit overlooking the vast field of RROD systems that came before it.

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BIG_E
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 12:08:02 PM

Most people that call them selves a gamer are not loyal to one system.Its plain to see you don't have a ps3.Get one and shut up.JoshuaAdam360 you fools play your pc games and go back to your xbox360 forum.

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CH1N00K
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 8:17:41 AM
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Does anyone ever have that dream where you log into PSXextreme, and you read the comments and you realize you are reading the same argument, over and over? It's like a re-occuring nightmare, with different fanboys spouting the same crap. I'm not just talking the X-Box fanboys either, because I've seen a few Sony and Nintendo fanboys in here too that can't be reasoned with.

I'll give you guys a tip, This little war you wage against each other is never going to go away. Give it up already. I know what system works for me and I enjoy it. If I see someone struggling on what to buy in a store, I give them my opinion as to why I play the System I do.

Now stop tugging at your crotch to see who has the biggest d**k and go play your games, or at least come up with an original argument, at least make this entertaining instead of rehashing the same crap over and over again.

All three companies have to be doing something right, or else they wouldn't still be in business..Now drop it!



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CH1N00K
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 9:11:02 AM

Keep in mind I'm talking about the comments/commenters and not the articles.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 9:06:36 AM
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Just in!

The 360 sold 863,000 in November to 378,000 for the PS3. Way to go!

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Douchebaguette
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 9:47:25 AM

Just in! The PS3 will outsell the 360 worldwide internationally in 2008.

And you are an insecure fanboy who really has nothing better to do than waste his time making an account to troll. You're a joke, a waste of breathing space.

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BIG_E
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 12:19:00 PM

The 800,000 that posted is us sales only every ware else the ps3 is ahead.

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 9:54:21 AM
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yeah, and i bet 500k of those people bought a new one because their old 360 bricked! Hey 360fanboy...I wanna hear what games your stupid ass system has in store for you next year that will demolish the PS3.

go on...ill wait.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:03:39 AM
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Remember last year when you guys said MS would have no more games for 360? LOL..

Remember that we are getting 2 new Halo games, possibly Forza 3, and 2 new episodes of GTA4.

We will also be getting FF13(thank you SE!)

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Douchebaguette
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:08:04 AM

xD. Wow. That's a nice...short, list there.

Quit trolling; you are going to get banned anyway. Or do you actually a life?

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:11:31 AM
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Why would I get banned? If I do thats pretty low...We all cant be worshipers to Sony. Ill cool it down if they want me to. Just giving you guys some shyt. Besides competition improves the breed. The better either one gets. The more the other will step up! Its a win/win for all.

I have many hobbies. Gaming just seems to be one of them. You know this is the 360s home turf.

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Douchebaguette
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:16:59 AM

No, all i know is that you're an insecure 360 fanboy. Do you see anyone from this site waste their life by doing what you do? No. That's because we don't want to resort to being a joke. The more you troll, the more you are showing your fear, or at least how lame 360 fanboys get. Man, i wouldn't want to be meeting people like you when i'm gaming online.



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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:00:42 PM

You wont. Ill be on live.

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Shatterday
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:12:12 AM
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I don't think that Xbox360Fanboy should NOT be banned. I know that Ben is probably going to do it anyway but I think we need more of this debate in the comments/forums. Yes this is a PS site but if we keep throwing out all of the Xbx360 guys then we ARE going to be labeled a fanboy site.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and since we're obviously acting just as childish about the situation, you can't blame the outsider.

Grow up. Support with facts. Opinions are like buttholes.

Thanks.

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Douchebaguette
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:19:49 AM

Shatter, there is a difference between a valid debate and just blatant trolling.

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Shatterday
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:22:37 AM

So I uhh... didn't mean for the double negative in there... I can't find the edit button anymore :-(

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:14:49 AM
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I agree Shatter.

I read this site all the time when I had my PS2. Its not like I personally hate you guys. Its all in the name of fun. Im not stupid about the PS3. I know about its IBM internals and NVIDAI parts. I like the fact that online is free(hell I wish MS,s was...)I just feel bummed out since they lost GTA as a exclusive and how its taking GT5 so long to get here(Gran Turismo is amazing).

Ill give respect where its due. What other fanboy will? Im sure tons of people on here hate MS more then I hate sony..

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Fane1024
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:29:07 PM

Bull shit. Read your posts here. You are ACTING like a mindless troll.

It's time to forget PlayStation? REALLY? That's a rational opinion?

EDIT: I re-read your posts and they weren't quite as bad as my initial impression, but they are clearly trolling.

Oh, and IF you find provoking arguments fun, you're a useless bag of douche, regardless of your allegiances.

p.s. I feel the same way about people who parrot comments about the RRoD (which is nonetheless a valid criticism) or fill their criticisms of Microsoft with childish, profanity-filled insults.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:21:24 AM
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How am I trolling? I OWN 2 PLAYSTATIONS!?

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Douchebaguette
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:24:19 AM

Was that even meant to be a question?

It doesn't matter if you have a million Playstations; it's what you're doing on this article.

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BIG_E
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 12:30:33 PM

PS1,PS2 NO PS3 JOSHUAADAM360 STOP LYING U DON'T PLAY PLAYSTATION.

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kb8mvp81
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:25:16 AM
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Hey xbot360fankid you can say goodbye to the 360 when the ps3 price cut in march demolishes the 360! $299 the sweet spot

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:26:00 AM
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Xbox360FanBoy: Your comments are trolling. They're also exceedingly narrow-minded and mostly untrue. Differing opinions are fine, but you only signed up with that username to cause problems. If you wanted decent debate, you wouldn't have done that. "Xbox IS the future"? Sales? Yeah, those aren't biased at all; sales have NOTHING to do with anything in this topic.

Now, either change the name and stop trying to prove to everyone your name is actually untrue (fun contradiction there), or you WILL be banned.

Everyone else: Please don't respond to the riling-up attempts.

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Douchebaguette
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:28:13 AM

Sorry, Ben. I'm no better by replying to him. This argument is filling up space, and is an eyesore for other people. Delete my previous comments of you like.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:34:19 AM

Ill tone it down. Dident mean to get that personal..

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Shatterday
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:27:48 AM
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We all want to hear good things about the PS3. I will probably never own an Xbox, I'm not going to lie.

Sony does an absolutely TERRIBLE job at marketing. It makes me sick, it really does. Right now, price is a HUGE selling point no matter who you are. The 360 is cheap. It sells really well. People really aren't THAT in to blue ray...


2009, Sony might bring the heat. I hope they do. They've gained a lot of ground and it's only going to improve, but the Playstation 3 is FAR from dead. You can't count it out. No one knows what the future holds and any predictions are just speculation.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:32:20 AM

I agree.

If Sony could advertise the built in WIFI, free online, and other advantages it would do great. But alas they dont. Parents who pay for these dont know because they arnt told. Its that simple.

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Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:28:02 AM
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To MUJI

How am I insecure? To be a 360 fan on a all PS site is surely not someone who isnt willing to debate and get his side across. YOU my friend need to learn that its a much bigger world then just the PS.

Even the people at Sony said they hope the 360 does well in Japan. Because the more people who get into HD gaming the better. Do you really want the next Xbox or Playstation to be like the Wii? I sure as hell dont..

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Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:28:48 AM
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Fine Ill change it..

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Fane1024
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:45:31 PM

You can reply directly to the posts you are answering. Please do. It makes the thread easier to read.

This goes for everyone. Original posts should have a Reply button. If you want to respond to a response, use the original's Reply button and identify the post you wish to reference.

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kb8mvp81
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:28:48 AM
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when the ps3 $399 went one on one with 360 $299 who won? oh yeah shortly after no effect the price had to be cut again!

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Shatterday
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:43:44 AM
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In my opinion, Sony relies too much on word of mouth. Yes, it is the cheapest form of advertisement, but come on. Their new string of commercials are really neat, but they do very little to advertise the systems features. The Playstation 3 is amazing system that does deserve a larger marketing budget.

Backwards compatability was a big loss. Wasn't the Playstation 2 the highest selilng console EVER? Adequate exposure and BC on all SPUs would have shown Sony immense ammounts of success.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:46:20 AM

The PS2 is the best selling console of all time. When I heard they lost that I nodded my head..I know things have to be dont to bring down production costs..But that was huge IMO.

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Fane1024
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:49:52 PM

When Sony has ads that show the other features, people cry "Show the Games!" When they show the games, people cry "Show the other features!"

People apparently decided a few years ago to criticize everything Sony does and to ignore the shortcomings of the Wii and 360. I can't for the life of me figure out why.

I agree that losing BC on all current models was a mistake, but it's hardly fatal. Surely not as bad as the high price.

I've actually heard people say (well, write) that they were going to buy a 360 because they couldn't play their PS2 games on a new PS3. And they can on a 360?!? Does not compute.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:44:39 AM
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JoshuaAdam360: I'll accept that, but you're still asking for problems with the 360 as your avatar. It doesn't bother me, but I can't control everything.

And I'm still waiting to see any real rebuttal to the article. I put forth the theory that nothing on the 360 will be able to compete graphically with the top PS3 exclusives on tap for 2009, and even suggested that they wouldn't be able to compete in terms of overall quality, either.

I've looked at the 360 lineup. I wouldn't have written this if I didn't. I don't see anything that I believe can compete with that list of PS3 titles up there...do YOU? That's all I want to hear; anything else is irrelevant to the subject at hand.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:50:50 AM

Now this is debate.

I for one have also noticed that. I can tell you right now if MS dont have Forza 3 in store for next year Sony will OWN the racing market with GT5. I hoping that Halo Recon will deliver good and fresh gameplay for halo fans. But I personally think Halo Wars wont even come close to what Halo 3 did in the market..

I will give you this. If they allow PS to come out with the titles they plan to unrivaled. Me and my friends are in for a hard year.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:58:35 AM

...if you believe that, WHY wasn't that your first post? Come on, you have to admit...you just wanted to stir things up. I'm not banning you, but you SHOULD admit it. ;)

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:07:57 AM
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haha

Yeah ill admit it. I had to come in stir up some good old console wars. I cant argue with my girlfriend about it because she dont care. Hopefully ill work towards some respect here. As I know alot about both sides of the business. From sales to hardware.

I must know tho. Do you think the PS3 will gain momentum like it did early last year? Or do you think its relatively low sales this holiday season will impact developers?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:14:46 AM

Yes, well, just bear in mind that while we allow debate, we don't allow "console wars." That's not what our editorials are about, and you will notice that we keep a close eye on our community.

As for what I believe, I believe software drives all hardware, regardless of specs, media capability, or even price. I don't believe the PS3 will sell much less than the 360 this holiday season, and throughout 2008, it has already sold more than the 360 in many months out of the year. MGS4 saw to that early on. ...which is why I will always say software is what ultimately matters.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:26:07 AM
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Yeah that is true. I remember a article saying the next MGS may come to 360. Which would really heaten things up.

I think Sony needs a Pricecut. You can agree to disagree or not but lets be real here. The typical buyer doesn't know about the value and will only see the price tag. In this time of recession Sony either needs to do a MUCH better job at marketing or get that PS3 to 299 if they plan to recover in 09.

The price of Bluray players could also affect this. Sony needs to not only let people know it plays Blurays. But also that its one of the best in the market if it plans to keep bluray as one of its main selling points.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:29:40 PM

Yes, a price cut always helps. But as far as I'm concerned, I think you get what you pay for. Although I see improvement in the defective return ratios for the 360, that RRoD issue is still quite prevalent and it was catastrophic at one point. I also think the free Network (which, after many updates, is almost on par with Live, anyway), PlayStation Home, Blu-Ray, and a more robust media center that includes handheld (PSP) connectivity and functionality is important.

Let's not forget Blu-Ray. The PS3 is a Blu-Ray player, and that format is the ONLY format that allows true high-def movie viewing. You can get a game machine that easily competes with the 360 - and in 2009, may easily surpass it with software - plus a Blu-Ray player. How much is THAT worth?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:36:55 PM

@ Josh, That claim is based on an as-yet not decoded cipher. I'm still waiting for someone to explain that, but it looks more like an Ac!d title for ipod to me.

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Fane1024
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:04:06 PM

Also, it is unlikely, though not impossible, that Kojima himself will choose to work on a 360 game. Konami may want to have a 360 game, but without Kojima's blessing, not many MG fans will consider it a real MG game.

You think Treyarch get criticism for their COD games? Just wait till a non-Kojima Metal Gear appears.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:16:54 AM

To Ben

The 360 just underwent a huge update(Jasper) with a redesigned CPU. We are hoping it cures RROD once and for all. Seeing as how it generates much less heat and noise. Time will tell.

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SaintX
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:14:04 PM
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Hi PSX,
i've just found out about this web site about a month ago and regretted that i didn't find out earlier. This is a great site. Keep up the good work.
Anyways, i will like to start by saying that i'm a huge PS3 fan. However, i'm quite sad and disappointed with the current PS3 sales. Latest NPD shows that PS3 is selling less than half of the xbox 360. First reason is that the 360 is much cheaper than the PS3 and also because alot of 360 users are probably buying their second or third console.
But the point is that, i don't just blindly support Sony, but i support Sony because i believe Sony is trying to give the best gaming experience to its consumers and they definitely have a vision to push the gaming industry into the next level of gaming experience and also to give their consumers the best gaming experience that they could possibly provide. However, i am disappointed is that most people don't see it that way. Its undeniable that most people in this world are just "cheap", they just want the cheapest product out there. Therefore, they just go along with the Xbox. Most people just failed to see why the PS3 costs so much and they just don't bother to do research by comparing both products and see what each product has got to offer for the current price. This is however largely due to Sony's lack of marketing and also the bias, lack of knowledge of the employees at game retail stores, which leads to my next point.

I'm also disappointed in Sony for underperforming in terms of marketing for the PS3. Its clear that there is so many advantages that the PS3 has over the Xbox that can be marketable such as hardware superiority, and huge lineups of great games. I've seen so many comments that urge Sony to do more marketing. Therefore, i believe that other PS3 fans are as frustrated as me that Sony hasnt been doing much with marketing. Sony says that they are constantly looking into comments and feedback from customers, and i believe this is one of the most important feedback that Sony should really consider and start marketing more. Its just frustating and saddens me to see Sony lose so much sales to Xbox in North America, knowing that PS3 is the superior console and it represents the future of gaming. I understand why Sony can't just lower the price, as it is not an easy thing to do.

Firstly, they are still losing money on each console. Secondly, the economy is in a very bad shape now and that they had to retrench 8000 workers. Even though this 8000 workers does not involve Sony Computer Entertain, but other devisions of Sony such as the LCDs and the cameras have been covering Sony's losses in the gaming industry. Therefore, a price cut would further increase the burden of the other devisions. Sony does not have the financial capabilities of MS. Thirdly, Sony has to look after its shareholder. Therefore, we should all understand why its tough for Sony to reduce its price. Based on the Ps3's specs, its a real bargain to get it the current price, however, most people don't see it that way.

Therefore, i agree with this article that 2009 will be the defining year where Sony will start to break away from the 360. Sony used to say that 2008 is the year of the PS3 but i believe 2009 will not only be the year of the PS3 again, but the PS3 will finally retain the Throne of the gaming industry and rightly deserved to be crown King. When that day finally comes, maybe Ben can post an article saying " I bloody told you so".

Sony should be happy to know that Europe and Asia will always be Sony's territory. I'm from Malaysia, and i believe Sony has a strong fan base here. The only reason why people buy the 360 here is because of the pirated games. LOL

P.s : Sorry, for being long winded and repetitive on some of the comments. I know some of my comments have been mentioned before. Oh, 1 more game to add and hopefully "Twisted Metal" for the PS3. Fingers Crossed!

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Fane1024
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:12:18 PM

I doubt Sony are losing money per console anymore, since only the new 80s and 160s are now available. I think they held off on price cuts in order to have a holiday season where they actually make a little money on hardware, to help offset previous losses and the problems in their other divisions.

Oh, and aside from the prolonged impact of money spent on R&D for Blu-ray, Cell, etc., Sony's gaming divisions have probably been holding their own since last holiday season, given that PSP and PS2 sales are strong (and the price has not dropped there in years), PS2 games are still selling, and the PS3 game sales have increased greatly.

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Joe_III
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:16:57 PM
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I just saw the November NPD results...Ouch! I hope PS3 does a lot better next holiday.

But yeah, Sony needs to do a number of things aside from put out some more awesome games. Those being:

1. Price Cut. $400 is simply too high a price point in this economy. Put in a tiny HDD, take out all the features you have to, but get one at a price point somewhere near the 360/Wii.

2. Exclusives. While they are going the way of the dodo, PS3 needs a few more exclusive games like MGS4 that can really show off the benefits of the console. People only say the Xbox can keep up graphically because games are written for both.

3. Better multiplats. Get those devs to quit porting games, or making the games dumb enough to port to the PS3. It won't hurt much to send some in house dev team employees over to EA/Ubi to 'consult' on how to get the games to look a lot better on the PS3 without hurting dev time/costs too much.

4. ADVERTISING! Just get some farking decent ads out there showing your console. And don't be afraid to show people having fun in them. Both M$ and Nintendo have used campaigns showing actual people having fun with the console (or particular games) to great success.

5. Marketing. Get some promos out there, get some special deals with retailers, etc. What would be really cool would be if they did a modern day "Pepsi challenge". Go out to 100-200 malls every now and then and get people to sit down in front of both and show them that the PS3 is better.

6. Kill the PS2. Every PS2 sold is a lost chance at selling a PS3. Just let it die, and put all those resources into the PS3.

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ec0li
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:36:32 PM

You're right on basically all accounts Joe. The problem is there will likely be no pricecut anytime soon. It really came down to the fact that maybe the PS3 was ahead of it's time in terms of what the hardware provided. They bet the farm on blu-ray and in the end...it's what is putting them last this generation. Sony has the games now, there's no argument at all with that. They just lost too much money integrating blu-ray into the system and it's gonna prevent them from doing the pricecuts. It does kind of suck because the PS3 is cheap for all the things it offers but too expensive as a gaming machine for the majority of the population. If the PS3 gets as far behind the 360 by 10 mil consoles, they're definitely staying at the last position. 2008 is basically a lost cause now so let's see what 2009 will bring.

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Fane1024
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:14:58 PM

@ ec0li

Worldwide, PS3 will probably still beat 360 for 2008, and maybe even in NA; if not, it will be close. Hardly a "lost cause".

It's this king of hyperbole on both sides that I find so annoying.

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Game
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:22:46 PM
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hey ben i just got the gameinformer magazine and they are saying killzone 2 is on the playstation 3 xbox360 and pc. do you know anything about it b/c i thought it was only on ps3

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:31:06 PM

Yeah, it's a misprint.

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SaintX
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:34:00 PM

Killzone 2 is definitely 100% only for Playstation 3. The magazine is definitely wrong.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:42:03 PM

Is it a misprint? I've seen stuff like this before it was extremely fishy, geared towards "buy our console, we'll get these games too"

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Fane1024
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:24:25 PM

Wow. A Sony-published, Sony-developed game on 360. Someone is definitely not doing their job there--or are they? ;)

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Shatterday
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:25:48 PM
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Essentially the entire problem is marketing, when you look at it as a whole. It's a lot more than just advertising. The only way they can kill the PS2 is by putting BC into every PS3.

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sharpiro
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:30:37 PM
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y all this nappin guys, challengin over a game counsel 4 wat reason. all u have to do is stick to the cousel u are most confortable with. to me point of view anywey can go, u cant not determine wat the future has installed for both companies.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:33:48 PM
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People, I'll say it again: software means everything.

We're in a recession, the 360 is $100 cheaper, and Gears of War 2 just came out. So of COURSE the 360 will sell twice as much. But do we forget when MGS4 released? Or the summer months where the PS3 was outselling the 360 on a consistent rate in all major territories? This is why the gap is about 24 million to 18 million; substantially smaller than it once was.

The point is, you're going to see the sales spike return for the PS3 with Killzone 2, and the other titles I mentioned up there will continue to push sales. Honestly, everything else is just tiny drops in the bucket...it's ALL about the software.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:45:35 PM
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Hey Ben, In the normal realm of intelligent human beings I agree that software means everything. Somehow this just doesn't apply for the Wii though. Yeah it's not in direct competition with us and 360 but I gotta tell you it vexes me. The only thing I can come up with is that Ninty got some psychics onboard and foretold the rise of a whole new demographic that cares little for the things that we care about in our games.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 12:53:39 PM

That's because the Wii doesn't even qualify as a video game console in my opinion. It's more of a gadget. It sells on the GADGET appeal; the gimmick. Not the software.

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bustin98
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 2:13:02 PM

Oh, come on. How long till the 'gimmick' thing goes away? Software does sell the system. Wii Sports is the one title that grabs people's attention and gets them off their butts and in the stores looking for it. Its the 'killer' app, what every console needs to drive sales.

I'll say it again. Wii Sports is the killer app.

Maybe you see it as a toy thanks to third party refusal to commit to the system, or a little jealousy that's misplaced unless you do happen to own Sony stock.

Yeah, this is a Sony-centric site and you can promote their games as the end all to be all, but to outright dismiss the success of another system is a little weaksauce.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 2:22:46 PM

Right. Wii Sports is the "killer app" and it's a console driven by software. 'rolling eyes'

Nobody can make the argument that the Wii can compare in quality software to the PS3 or 360. Nobody. The Wii IS weaksauce, chief.

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ec0li
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 2:55:36 PM

I'm sad to say that WiiSports and Wiifit are killer aps for the casual gamer. Casual gaming is where the money is because it caters to the majority of the population. I'm not knocking casual games and hardcore games because there's a market for both. I myself prefer the hadcore games but it is fun to play the Wii motion games from time to time. I'm more miffed at the fact that Nintendo with all its great ip has decided to focus more on the casual games, hence the almost nonexistent software that caters to the hardcore gamers. They're not gonna change their strategy anytime soon too because the Wii and Ds literally prints money out of all orifices. Btw, I'm the king of wiisports tennis.

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bustin98
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:03:11 PM

Ok, so you are going to tell me that without Wii Sports the Wii would sell just as well? If Nintendo NEVER made a Wii Sports and a Wii Fit that there would be 10 million Wiis sold in North America this year alone? Just because you can waggle your way through Carnival Games and buy an extra controller that has a game attached to it.

Go ahead and tell me that's what you think.

And I never made a mention of the number of quality games on the system. That has nothing to do with your arguement. Its not the quantity of games, it just takes that 'one' to click with the audience.

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Arvis
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:06:59 PM

Bustin98,

Where your argument fails apart is in your assumption that Wii Sports is a video game. It's a demo for motion controls that comes with the Wii. You're essentially arguing that the Wii is it's own "killer app."

Gimme a break.

-Arvis

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Fane1024
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:34:06 PM

@ Ben

... not a video game console?

Isn't that flamebaiting? ;P

Seriously, it isn't a current gen console and it certainly isn't selling based upon outstanding software, but it's still comparable in power to the Xbox. And it does have Rock Band, albeit a gimped version. :)

p.s. I don't own a Wii and won't until they release a black version and sell it for what it's worth: < $200. Both of which would have happened by now, but for the incredible (and I mean that literally) Wii fad.

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bustin98
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:38:16 PM

You do realize that Wii Sports is sold seperately in Japan, right?

And we've been saying 'software' and 'killer app', haven't said 'game'.

Wii Sports has quite a bit of content for being a 'demo'. Can I convince you that Pain or that Bowling game on the PSN are demos? I would say Wii Sports is a showcase of what the controls can do. But since it tracks scores, offers a tutorial, practice modes, and challenges along with the 5 games, its more than a demo.

If I thought the Wii was selling on the strength of the Mii character creation or the Virtual Console then the Wii would be its own killer app.

Rock Band 2 isn't so gimped, and Guitar Hero III kicked Rock Band in the balls, not to mention Guitar Hero WT.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 8:49:54 PM

bustin: Here's what I'm telling you: the Wii sells on the gimmick and unless the games USE the gimmick (which is all the system offers in the first place), it doesn't work. That's it.

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Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:58:24 PM

The Wii cant play cds or Movies. It also cant play HD games..

Its a competitor in name alone. Just because its a console.

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Fatcat3788
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:22:23 AM

The wii is the best console ever!!!! IF YOU HAVE KIDS... I swear if you ever have a kid that just doesn't sit down get him a Wii It is amazing. That and you can do what you want to do without taking the damn kid to the park and watching him hoping he doesn't get hurt. It is THE console to do the parenting for you.

In all honesty... the wii COULD be great if it had some awesome games coming out for it. Get half the damn developers that are making games for the DS to go to Wii and the Wii would have a legitamite reason to hold #1 as a game console. End of argument.

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bustin98
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 3:26:45 PM

This is what seperates 'gamers' from 'fans'. A gamer would buy a game for their aged Atari2600 if one was coming out tomorrow, then buy one for their PS3. A game is a game is a game. And if you don't accept that, I guess that's your loss.

You know what a gimmick is, using six-axis controls in Lair. Even more so after they patched the game to allow for analog control.

I find this line of talk slightly hypicritical, Ben, in light of your article that discusses the hate and attacks that spews forth rather than legitimate discussion. You aren't full on attacking the Wii, yet you dismiss it with degrading remarks and allowing yourself to repeat comments that are thrown about the Internet without thought.

The Wii is just as viable a system as any other.

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ps92117
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 1:01:10 PM
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one thing i want to say well actualy 2 first i cant buy a 360 cause it dosen't have wifi and i need that cause my router is in another room and i want to have my consels in my room, 2nd i live in this wierd waste land of a state called new mexico and not so far from my house there is something very great and mystirous the locals call it roadrunner it is sayed to be kept locked in a huge building nobody realy knows what it is (except like a million ppl and wikipeidia) it is said that is organs are made out of cells but not human cells but something more godly and metalic ,many say that this beast has a father ,some call him the creator others ibm but no one realy knows except you guys if you look it up in wikipeidia. pardon my spelling lol it is awsome

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ec0li
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:04:51 PM

either you're high or this is the greatest biological find in history. let's hope for the latter because I wanna see aliens or maybe mutated monsters.

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coverton341
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:15:04 PM

meth is one hell of a drug

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coverton341
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:20:10 PM

Not to discredit the achievements of the DOE or anything but why the **ck would this thing keep you from buying a 360 other than the fact that it was developed by IBM and it may grow legs walk to your house and kick the sh** out of one if you did buy it?

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Shatterday
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 1:13:38 PM

Awesome post(s)

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cegmp
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 1:53:55 PM
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2009, the year of the PS3 --ahm, didn't we say that last year(about 08, i mean)? heheh.. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to it's [ps3] future. I'm really hopeful! But Ben, I think topics such as this just adds fuel to the ever burning "console war fire". We always seem to take an interest in "comparing". This isn't necessarily a bad thing but I notice that this site does it so often. Honestly, I've never really been concerned with issues such as this during the PS2s life span. It's only now i find myself bearing ill feelings for another console because it bested the ps3 in terms of sales. Maybe it's just me but I feel that topics which may instigate people arguing over which console is the best has to, no, needs to end. Peoples fixation on the issue of a console wars needs to end. The console war, per se, needs to end. And it stops when people stop labeling it as such. Time reveals all things. Can't we just wait and see, and to each his own? Or maybe it's just me?? heheh.. Anyway, I've had this floating in my mind for sometime. If you don't agree, I would appreciate it if you be gentle.=)

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coverton341
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:13:08 PM
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I personally believe that PS3 has a clear advantage over the 360 going in to '09 and with news that L5 may go exclusive is icing on the cake for the PS3, but I cannot help but be a bit worried that despite all the obvious power advantages that the PS3 holds over the 360 what about the "720"? Does anyone here disagree that Microsoft is probably already eying a 2010 release by Christmas for this console? And what happened in '05? The 360 came out and people flocked to it even after failures and set backs people just kept throwing money at it. And more people continue to because its cheaper and their friends have it and they want to game with friends. What can we expect in 2010? More of the same old same because at least here in America people seem to want the next big thing without regard to quality. It becomes a "keeping up with the Jones'" scenario and it is quite sad but that is what we have come to know. I love my PS3 and I will buy a "720" the same way I bought my 360, from a kid that wants to off it at Gamestop for 100 bucks less than I would have to buy it used.

Lets just hope I am wrong and PS3 can make Sony enough money to continue to think the console game is worth it. They did just have the largest job cut in Japan since the whole economic fiasco that we (Americans) got the world into.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:25:25 PM
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I dunno, I guess I can't just sit back and say "enjoy what you got and don't complain about what other people are doing" If that were the case things wouldn't even be interesting. That's kind of like saying "Don't argue with people ever, just let them walk all over you and behave ridiculously." Illogical statements and ridiculous people should be both informed and put in their place sometimes. While a console "war" that consists of mindless bashing of other people is sort of asinine and immature, debates are part of the fun of gaming as long as you have a basis for argument.

Who are we without being able to define the "other"? Isn't gaming all about winning in the first place?

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bustin98
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:35:55 PM

Some games are just about 'completing'. When you finish Metal Gear, did you finish first?

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coverton341
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 3:48:11 PM

Of course not I finished Metal Gear first.

What I think he is saying is that the very nature gaming is competition and it seems that that is a very valid statement to make in this day and age. Back in the day more games were geared towards the journey but now it seems we are seeing a paradigm shift towards "I win you suck" mentality and that is why RPGs always have and always will hold a special place in my heart

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bustin98
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:43:51 PM

I understand what WorldEndsWithMe is saying, there's just a flaw in his logic. If my world was dominated by Halo and Call of Duty Online play then I would agree. But some games don't require a 'first' place, just to finish is enough.

Sometimes maybe we need to accept that our console of choice is doing well and offers the software that we're in the market for, even if it isn't the most popular console in the world.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:17:00 PM

Coverton has it right, I was simply using a common theme in games to illustrate my point (Not to lump all games into a single theme). Which is, by the way, that by a gamer's very nature we have a protagonist vs antagonist mentality, so why wouldn't it cross over into console preference, discussion, and debate?

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illegalprelude
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:55:11 PM
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Im gonna have to disagree. I think the 360 will continue to beat the PS3. Ill be the firs to admit, I love my PS3 and hate all things 360 but remember, the PS3 this year had HUGEEE titles and the 360 just had GoW2 and im sorry but being a realistic, the 360 is raping the PS3 in numbers. The gap is getting bigger, not smaller and if the PS3 drops its price, whats to not make the 360 drop in price again? Is the PS3 superior? yes. Does it have all the games I want, 100% yes.

Is Sony in command? No. Sony is failing because they are asleep at the helm. Different divisons are doing fantastic thing, but as a giant boat, nobody is in charge

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Fane1024
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 5:03:18 PM

Dude. Look at the actual numbers; not just one month and not just North America.

"raping"? That's not even laughable, it's pathetic.

360s aren't THAT much cheaper to manufacture than PS3s. Microsoft are selling the Arcade (or whatever they're calling it this week) at a huge loss in order to create the current bump in sales (as Sony did when they first dropped the price to $400). Even with their deep pockets, if they sell 360s for even less, they won't have the money to spend on renting exclusives or marketing.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:12:13 AM

Exactly. MS isn't going to rest on its laurels.

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Fane1024
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 4:55:21 PM
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ON TOPIC:

I think that the true advantage that the PS3 has over the 360 isn't in terms of graphics (their GPUs are comparable, but different), but in terms of physics and AI.

Though the cell SPEs can be used for graphics processing and the whole 512MB of RAM are available to the GPU, I don't think the graphical power of the PS3 is significantly better. I would guess the great graphics on the games Ben mentioned are due to superior coding, rather than more raw power.

But I'm no programmer; what do I know?

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karneli lll
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 8:32:53 PM
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I think the wii has the potiential to destroy the gaming world. This is how i see it; the wii is the past, 360 the present and the ps3 is the future. If it wasnt for Sony we'd be probably be fresh into the dvd era. Its going to take some time for the world to listen to Sony again.

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Fatcat3788
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:27:30 AM

Hence my argument above of the PS3 driving the industry forward. If no one took chances then we would still be at colico vision. Yeah the PS3 gave losses to Sony money-wise, but with taking chances they made a bunch of leaps forward in gaming. My console isn't just for games now. THAT is insane and I would never of believed it 10 years ago. It's like the question... When the next xbox comes out... will it utilize Blu-Ray? Ahead of it's time that PS3 of mine is. It is, it is...

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outlaw204loc
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 8:46:48 PM
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The 360 is only holding the ps3 down. The reasone ps3 hasn't pummeled the 360 is because developers only want to make as much money as they can by devoting all their time into making the game as best they possibly can for the 360, and then just copying it for the ps3. if they actually made the games as awesome as they could for ps3, then they would all have to be exclusives. Still thinking about mgs4 for 360??? Keep dreaming! that piece of junk couldn't even handle the cut scenes

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:21:29 PM

This is precisely what slaughtered the Dreamcast, The PS1 had a massive install base and was a 32bit system, yet many many DC games were just ports from PS1 and never touched the full 128bit processor of the DC. No one was ready to or wanted to code for it yet.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:16:13 PM

Next time you have a thought. Just let it go.

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fullmetal
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 9:11:31 PM
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yo can get blu-rays and games for cheap www.blu-rayboxsets.com

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ps92117
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:46:54 PM
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k seeing as nobdy unerstood what i was taliking about in my previous comment I will explain roadruner is the most powerful supercomputer on earth it is made by ibm a company that help sony create the cell the computer runs on the cell and i am saying this cause it complements ps3 power , being geeks I thought that most of you would know that oh well. and no i was not high on anything

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:13:41 PM

K, Gotcha, you just confused me cuz the only Roadrunner I've ever heard of was the broadband connection and you were talking about wi-fi soooo oops.

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 1:01:53 AM
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Thats the thing. Everyone wants to talk about how its good for future investments, 10 year consoles blah blah.

Let me ask you Sony fans THIS. How many of you care about PS2? Did you guys ever think that maybe the PS2 is hurting the PS3. If they want a new Playstation they have many choices. Where us Xbox fans simply pony up for the 360. Keeping all the attention on that console and making it better.

Not only Xbox does this but so does Nintendo. And im sure Wii sales are hardly doing down because they stoped the Gamecube.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 3:54:22 AM

Hey Josh, you're embarrassing yourself. Go play Gears.

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Fatcat3788
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:36:24 AM

I love the ps2. No I don't think it is hurting PS3 sales but I definately think the lack of B/C is, and if you want a blu-ray player and you are a gamer then you should buy a PS3... so yes you do have a choice regarding Playstations... Yes.. choices are good. Questions answered?

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:09:59 AM

I love gears. Good idea.

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dveisalive
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:31:34 AM
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You know what Fanboyism needs to come to a end, but I only support Sony and Nintendo, so if your a 360 or Microsoft person, and putting up these stats, numbers, sells etc.. I need to tell you that PS3 will eventually still be selling, for it is a 10 yr console and the thing is, is that microsoft has to come out with their next system just to compete with the PS3, for the next years to come. Just like I seen someone post up a NDP, and it states besides sales, that PS3 will outsell 360 by 45% by the year 2012. SO all of you 360 fanboys can put up software sells but it is the number of systems that counts first then titles, and PS3 will have so many advanced titles in these years to come. Anyways PS3 is no where near its limit yet LOL! and 36o fanboys you do realize that your not number one for your getting outselled by a non-HD console the Wii! lOL!

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:09:34 AM

Incredible! In today's news a man tells the future!

The Wii outsells the PS3 also. But I hardly think its better..

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BeezleDrop
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 1:01:51 PM
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Did anyone notice how Gears2 is the biggest let down of 08? Just making sure.

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bustin98
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 12:23:44 AM

Um, nope. I missed that one. Link?

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Aftab
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 1:06:36 AM

Yeah, it didn't blow me away, but it was a solid title. Pretty sure this is also the impression of the general crowd. Gears1 had wow-factor when it was new, but since just about everyone developed a taste for the frenetic action of the much-vaunted COD4, no one was really bragging about Epic's sequel (also endearingly known as Gears 1.5 as it was just more of the same) except for a few fanboys on the outskirts of the community. What is astonishing is when you find hate-camps with the 360 community, each one calling the other fanboys of a particular title.

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Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 2:37:22 AM

Care to explain?

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Wolfman223
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 10:10:29 AM
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JoshuaAdam360 you have no Idea what you are talking about, The 360 and the PS3 are great consoles, But the PS3 is outselling the 360 all over the world. Blue-ray discs are the way to go over DVD. Look at it this way, The way games are going, a 360 DVD based game in next year or so, would have at least 2-3 discs, as to the PS3 only would have 1-2, depends on the size of the game. So do u understand now

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Deleted User
Monday, December 15, 2008 @ 9:13:13 AM

Just understand that the 360 is older then the PS3. Bluray wasn't exactly common during 2005 and its pretty hard to just "add on".

If Bluray becomes the standard like Sony fans believe. The next Xbox will have it. Which shouldn't be to far away.

Ill be happy when that arrives. Because then all the good games on 360 and the original will be able to be played on it.

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creepypete
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 12:32:35 PM
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Another year gone and AGAIN we here chants that THIS will be the year of the PS3

I DON"Y believe it anymore, not the hype, not the devs, and definitely not the fanboys...

I will believe it when I see it. THe only thing the PS3 has proven to anyone is that it can't seem to come close to reaching the software sales of the 360 for WHATEVER reason ( that's irrelevant)

The PS3 is a machine based on empty promises and always seems to rely on "next" year being their big year....

Unacceptable.


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cadpig
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 12:49:12 PM
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Let the games begin!!! God of war 3 , Street fighter 4 and Prototype. The PS3 is going to have a great year.

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Pavex
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 5:35:43 PM
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@creepypete.....word word & WORD! it will NOT be the year of ps3 (09)....not until sony actually gets the POWER of the cell in line with the OS of the ps3! it's a totally unacceptable MESS! for a processor so POWERFUL the ability for the ps3 to 'multitask' is PITIFUL.

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Pavex
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 5:35:43 PM
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@creepypete.....word word & WORD! it will NOT be the year of ps3 (09)....not until sony actually gets the POWER of the cell in line with the OS of the ps3! it's a totally unacceptable MESS! for a processor so POWERFUL the ability for the ps3 to 'multitask' is PITIFUL.

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ps3isthebest
Monday, December 15, 2008 @ 3:57:52 AM
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i think the ps3 is the best of all consoles. however even the best hav flaws. in the ps3's case the price of blu-ray.
comeon even if the ps3 gets a price cut its still gonna cost hell 2 get the games we want, right? and with R2, killzone, LBP and countless other titles available to ps3 buyers, temptation is hard 2 resist.
i suggest that since blu-ray has toppled hd-dvd, sony should aim to lower the production cost of manufacturing the blu-ray. sony could cooperate with other blu-ray supporting giants like toshiba to up production and bring down costs. then only can we ps3 supporters really chip in to help bring it to the top.

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dveisalive
Monday, December 15, 2008 @ 11:09:59 AM
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Im not trying to start no arguments but 360 is boring, tried to copy Wii with the avatars etc.. and copied Sony for the controller remake for the 360, which doesnt have dual analog sticks, and the ability to pre-load games onto the hard drive!

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Tuesday, December 16, 2008 @ 11:12:07 AM

Yep...

And Sony copied because they have harddrives! Oh wait by this thinking.......

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Lordnicon
Monday, December 15, 2008 @ 11:36:49 AM
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Wow that is an ton of posts. Well let me just say this. At this point in time the 360 does well because of familiar hardware etc. along with an extra 256megs of video ram (you generally notice some relatively crisp textures which is important). The ps3 definitely has some edge in a lot of places and I love seeing this gradual progression on sony consoles. It always gives us something to look forward to and something to read about.

However, who is to say that this recognition of power will do anything to make said games any better? It it's fun it's fun and we all know that means a lot. A very pretty piece of s#!* will only go so far (some might say The Bouncer was like that even though i liked it). I played my Genesis more than SNES, I played playstation more than my 64 (though the 64 saw a sh** ton of use) and I played PS2 more than I played gamecube or xbox. Why? Certainly not because of better graphics (though it is always nice).

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