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SCEE's David Reeves: We Are Committed To "Quality Hardware"

Well, it's true: shoddy products typically don't go over well with consumers.

In a recent MCV interview, SCEE president David Reeves said it's important to release "quality hardware" if one wishes for the video game market to grow. At no point does Reeves refer to Microsoft's problems with the "Red Ring of Death" on the Xbox 360, but it's tough not to infer the meaning of his comments. Reeves said:

"... Another thing we have committed to for supporting market growth is putting out quality hardware - you don't grow the market by putting out shoddy machines. So we try to make sure that PS3s have a failure rate of just two to three percent, which is very low by industry standards."

While Microsoft and its fans will claim the RRoD system failure catastrophe is behind them, the defective numbers issued by most major retailers indicate that this isn't entirely true. At last check, they were down from the abysmal 20-30% defective ratios we saw last year, but they're still much higher than any consumer would like right now. Most gamers will tell you that while ten of their friends are still on their first PS3, those same ten have gone through at least two or three 360s already. But Reeves wasn't all about taking potshots at the competition - holiday spirit and everything - and he added the following:

"On the competition, I will say Nintendo have only done good things. They have expanded geographically and dramatically extended demographically. They have never been afraid to try new products, be that hardware, or software or peripherals. For Microsoft, again, I can understand that, again, they have put money into the market and have initiated growth. In some ways what they have done is brought forward consumers from next year into this year. By bringing the price down they are trying to establish themselves quickly, as they did with the first Xbox. But they have built online in a meaningful way and the competition they have brought to the market place is great."

There, see? They should all just learn to put aside their differences and work together in perfect harmony for the good of the gamer. Er...or maybe insane, mud-slinging competition begets quality, just 'cuz one guy works desperately hard to top the other guy? Whatever school of thought you adhere to, though, everyone admits there are pluses and minuses to every system available. Let's just say the 360's reliability is a definite minus and the PS3's reliability is a definite plus at this point.

12/19/2008 Ben Dutka

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Comments (104 posts)

kreate
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 11:34:25 AM
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tips for microsoft and their console:

1. needs to redesign the 360
2.console needs at least 97%free from Red Ring
3.stop using AA batteries
4.9gig DVD sucks but ok we'll deal with it
5.xboxlive needs to be free or make it a 1 payment for lifetime. 50 buck a year to go on msn messenger sucks balls
6. power supply unit has to be inside the box
7. 100buck for a wireless adapter or a harddrive is way overpriced, go to newegg and check what 100 buck can give u as far as harddrive and a wireless adapter
8. disk read errors needs to stop
9. plz fix the freezing issues
10. disk drive gets screwed up overtime and the tray doesn't want to stick its head out

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QuasarSquirrel
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 12:28:56 PM

What's wrong with AA batteries? I'd much rather be able to use standard rechargeables than know there is an expiration date stamped on the controller (my laptop is much less portable than it used to be).

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www
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 1:25:48 PM

Dude u've made good points but it won't happen,they will consider all these in the next xbox,not now.

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kreate
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 7:28:16 PM

ff rulez, yr last comment replying to quasar is hella funny.

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QuasarSquirrel
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 8:47:00 PM

10 yrs for a lithium ion battery!? Don't get me wrong, I hope I don't have to replace my DS3 controllers, but I kind of doubt it. My laptop's didn't make it to 4yrs, and me and my Wife have each had a cell phone outlive their batteries.

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LightShow
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 10:08:08 PM

@quasar

cell phones and laptops have much higher voltage and more intense usage specs than a PS3 controller. A controller only needs to transfer button presses and analog coordinates, while a laptop needs to power a full out processor.

In short, a DS3 is a much simpler animal than a Laptop, so the battery doesn't get as much drain, and doesn't need to be recharged as often, ergo it lasts longer. presumably much longer.

of course, nobody has been intensely using a PS3 controller for 10 years, so I guess we don't know for sure, but the logic stands.

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kreate
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 11:38:39 AM
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tips for sony and their console:
1. need more RPG games
2. need better advertisement on their games and their console
3. stop making shooters and start making games of other genre
4. I don't care about HOME but i think its good for their business and others like it
5.work on making 3rd party games exclusive

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Jordahn
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 11:43:48 AM
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No A/V hardware is perfect, but the PS3 is the first console I see more as a quality longterm A/V component than just a gaming console. This might be a double-edge sword for SONY because of its higher price and third place status, but it still caters quality to the consumer. Essentially everyone wins.

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Cavan
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 11:57:52 AM
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Kreate
6. sony needs to lower the price, i live in the uk and was in game today and the guy basically said to the customer tht their both the same, play more or less the same games except the 360 price starts at £130, while the ps3 is £300, now if i knew naff all about game consoles i know which one id buy after the man in the shop(which for some reason everyone seems to trust) says that. if sony had lowerd the price to 249.99 then it would of sold loads this christmas, but with their being a resesion etc u can buy the 60gb one for 169 or the ps3 for 299, ud probaly buy the 169 and spend the 130 u save and buy like 4 games.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 1:21:54 PM

The guy by me told me to get the PS3. But I got the Elite.

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OhYessss
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 3:35:21 PM

Shoulda listened to the guy lol.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 5:52:34 PM

lol

I like the screen name. Very original.

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kreate
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 7:37:21 PM

lets say sony takes y r advice and lowers to 249.99. it still doesn't beat the 360 in terms of pricetag.

the employee will still say "they're both the same, but 360 is cheaper"

cuz he's a fanboy

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 2:12:12 AM

Not to fond of fanboys. They make us all look stupid.

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Fabi
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 12:01:11 PM
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Ok, so if 10 out of 10 of my friends have gone through more than one 360. Wouldn't that make the defective rate 100%+?

I suck at math, but if the 30% failure rate is true, wouldn't it just be 3 out of 10 360's burst into flames?

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GamerKid123
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 12:46:29 PM

That's still a horrifying ratio.

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m2tbo
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 2:24:32 PM

If one person is on their 4th 360 then they have a 75% failure rate. So lets say 10 people go have had 20 fail then they would have a 67% fail rate, assuming they have a 3rd. Once you hit a large enough sample it will probably get down around the given statistics. Then again it includes everyone who buys them, even if they just collect dust on a shelf.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 2:49:52 PM

Over a long enough time frame the failure rate for EVERYTHING becomes 100%. What's scary is 360's 30% failure rate is inn the first 3 or 4 years.

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xnonsuchx
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 4:05:42 AM

At one time, Commodore had about the same failure rate with some Amiga computers (out of the box failure rate, though). They even started telling their dealers to test them in-store before selling them to customers so as to avoid the onslaught of customer complaints.

5 people I work with have Xbox 360s and ALL have had the RROD...2 of them TWICE! Gotta admit, though, there must be SOMETHING worthwhile about the 360 to be able to brush that kinda annoyance aside. I think it's the HALO 3 thing...that's what I still hear them discuss most at work.

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whooka
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 12:03:55 PM
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Indeed I've seen several articles at some major news websites (i.e. msnbc.com) this past week about MS's XBox360 red ring of death problem as well as the scratching the media problem the system apparently has, which recently released documents indicate MS knew about before the Xbox360 release. about time they got some of the press they deserve! The building I work in is shared with Microsoft's NorthEast Regional offices and today they apparently have a slew of networked XBox360's in there and someone i work with was all psyched to head over and i just said, 'meh, i like my ps3' and headed straight back to my office.

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Troy Powers
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 1:08:53 PM

Of course Microsoft knew they were putting out a shoddy product. But they knew that year head-start would be huge. And it was. Even now, despite the fact that their hardware is crap, and everyone knows it, they've got a legion of Xbots. It's crazy...but at the same time genius.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 1:20:42 PM

Thats whats wrong with 21st century America...I cant even get in my car without a million stickers saying how I can die. Or how my coffee is hot..

Turning a console with a game will scratch the disk. Who would of thought..

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supremekai
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 4:32:00 PM

I turned my ps2 game with a disk in it and it didnt scratch... *scratches head*

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Aftab
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 4:47:31 PM

To Joshua, with all due respect, but that is the most rediculously self-justifying comment I've ever heard. You know what the society we live in would be like if all the industries shared the same standard of quality-assurance as Xbox360? Third-world nations would feel bad for you. And by the way MS's disintegrating care for the customer doesn't end with their console. I installed service pack 1 (automatic) update for vista on my laptop, and it killed the sound. I searched far and long through the internet, even Microsoft's sites, for a solution and nothing worked. Only through luck and experimentation ( a day's worth), was I able to fix it (by also removing the update!). And there was whole bunch of other people out there like me. I didn't have a rare model. It's a Toshiba Satellite, that was engineered and released with Vista installed.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 2:14:07 AM

I agree completely. Dont look at me to stick up for its biggest flaw.

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shaydey77
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 12:12:35 PM
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His statement is true. Sony remains with quality.Microsoft remains planting money into the gaming economy(albeit for their own profit) and Nintendo has tapped into the unknown power of a gimmick console. This guy has got to have the nicest way of getting his point across unoffensively.

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Cuetes
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 12:34:23 PM
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Im glad Sony can be mature about their competitors, I see countless site were the other side aint nearly as peachy toward Sony.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 1:18:34 PM

Its all business. MS and Sony as corporations work together on many things.

Its when people with a bias or ship on their shoulder come out and ruin it. Ill defend the Xbox. But as you see I dont always need to dog the PS3 to do so. Its that difference that counts.

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GamerKid123
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 12:50:55 PM
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"They should all just learn to put aside their differences and work together in perfect harmony for the good of the gamer. Er...or maybe insane, mud-slinging competition begets quality, just 'cuz one guy works desperately hard to top the other guy?"

It works either way, either the Wii, 360 and PS3 all band together to create a
super-console that never breaks and has a selection of all the best games from all three consoles. Or they use the competition as a means to create even better hardware/software, graphics, games etc. etc.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 1:16:43 PM
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Damn you ben. Your going to give me a heart attack this thread lol.

Well I for one love competition. I dont work for Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft. So the more they compete to gain our attention the better.

Just imagine a Xbox with bluray? Or a PS with better then Live online gameplay? The more they fight over exclusives the better. Iv never played Final Fantasy a day in my life. But ill get to see what its all about soon after the PS3 launch of the title.


Look how the Xbox price went down. You only know Sony will follow suit next year. Its a great time. I love the Xbox. But I know if it gets creamed this generation they will only come back stronger. I mean look how many more 360s have been sold then the original.

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Fane1024
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 3:43:31 PM

...about one million.

Though that's in three years rather than four.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 2:15:12 AM

FF

If you want cred. When you talk to the big boys bring facts.

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javon_27
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 1:33:15 PM
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Well, I hate being in that 2 to 3 percent. And I can't get mine fix for at least 2 weeks!!! AAARRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!

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www
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 1:44:48 PM

Anyways my April 2008 manufactured 360 got 2 red lights after about 2 mths of intense gaming,the cooling fans stopped working thus i bought a gigantic-portable fan n placed it behind the console n i must say it stays on for almost 12 hrs maybe more but this is just the longest time it's been on without no red lights.

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Dingodial
Monday, December 22, 2008 @ 10:12:19 AM

I blew $30 on a Nykon intercooler for my PS3 and the one big fan on the side of the console started making loud noises so I took it back to the store.

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www
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 1:39:40 PM
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That head start indeed helped MS' xbox 360 a great deal,i can say MS learnt a lot from PS2.
Remember PS2 had sum issues after launch,
1.Remember the problems with blue CD's which needed tapes on in order to remain stable in the drive.
2.Remember the optical lens issues concerning dust or just total failure after sum long period of use.
3.Heck my disc tray even had problems ejecting.
Yet with all these flaws PS2 still managed over 150 million consoles worldwide.

Now who is doing the same here........MS
MS were like "After all let's do the same,the head start is the most important factor,those suckers bought PS2 more than our Quality Xbox,let's feed'em sum shoddy machine n be guaranteed we'll lead the market,screw all those hardware failures,let's get it shipping,it's our time,the slump is over"

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Deleted User
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 1:47:34 PM

In a way hes right. The Xbox was far more advanced. But if its the only next gen console for almost 2 years it gains everything. It gets the install base.

They made sure they got GTA and other content only for the PS2. They played smart. Back then I even went threw 2 PS2 consoles yet still played it because of

1. Dident pay any attention to Xbox. I already had a PS1 before that.

2. All the games I wanted where on PS2. From GranTurismo to GTA3.

3. I overlooked the reliability because it was the only place I could get them titles.

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Fane1024
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 3:46:12 PM

Joshua

PLEASE use English. If you actually know better, then try reading your posts before you click submit.

I really don't want to dog you, despite the way you started posting here, because you've been mostly rational since then.

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Jed
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 5:06:10 PM

the difference is that sony fixed the problems with the ps2.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 5:47:08 PM

So I missed a couple comma's. Its far more readable then half the stuff I read on most game forums.

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Qubex
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 11:13:53 AM

Joshua... the 360 is not more advanced than the PS3... anyone who is sane will tell you this!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Scarecrow
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 2:35:19 PM
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ps3 is such a monster!
The ps3 price really says a lot

Even though it's hard to buy, it's worth it!
There are virtually no defective ps3s out there.

Compared to the RROD infected 360s, which are STILL being produced.

I remember reading in one of playstation's blogs that the ps3 can stay up and running in the hottest and coldest LIVING conditions for hours and still work.

The "no game" crap can't be applied anymore. The best, or most of the best games these year came on the ps3 when it comes to exclusives. And next year? Well you can already see what's cooking up next year.

The ps3 is the leading platform, no doubt'bout it. It already is in Japan and Europe.

Just gotta slap around the US some more and be #1.

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Joe_III
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 2:45:12 PM
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Just to be contradictory. If quality hardware was really a concern, the 360 wouldn't be winning.

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Scarecrow
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 3:44:50 PM

Barely winning when you consider the ps3 has passed it in Europe and in Japan.

Once the ps3 FURTHER overtakes the 360 in Europe the numbers will start to shift.

The final blow will be when the ps3 overtakes it in the US.

Oh and why it's winning, a one year head start(without competition), and the cheaper price(in the first two years).

Of course gotta measure in the good games, but the ps3 is dishing out better and MORE great exclusives, specially heading into 2009.

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ec0li
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 4:37:29 PM

I think the 360 is leading just slightly in Europe but it's growing. PS3 is only leading in Japan.

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karneli lll
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 2:55:04 PM
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My only concern about ms is that they never think foward. The first xbox was merely a beefed up ps2 in a box,now we are in the next gen and what does ms bring to the table? a beefed up xbox. Nintendo goes motion control and Sony goes blu ray,things that change gaming. To me the 360's life is almost up and im not even curious as to what the next xbox will do b/c chances are it wont push gaming to the next level

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Fane1024
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 4:04:37 PM

Actually, the xbox (which was more of a beefed-down PC) did a lot of things to advance console gaming, including a built-in HDD and ethernet connection (or did the Dreamcast do the latter first?), a built-in headset connection, even the quick-disconnect cords.

Oh, and creating a god-awful giant controller. ;)

The 360 has followed with next-to-no innovation, however.

I'm the last person to defend Microsoft, but you gotta talk sense, man.

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ec0li
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 4:33:18 PM

I believe the Dreamcast had a regular phone line connection...unless there might have been an ethernet add-on later on.

Don't be messin around with the "Duke". Seriously though, that giant controller was impervious to damage.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 5:45:35 PM

The duke can be used as a weapon in case of break in.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 5:51:33 PM
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To Af.

Where where you when the PS2 had problems? I swear the world of gaming can be very hypocritical.

So the machine with less reliability, poorer graphics, ext..But it came out first and has the most games. Is the one that sucks right?

It looks very familiar.

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www
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 6:21:57 PM

With all due respect to everybody else pls cut our fellow brethren JoshuaAdam360 some slack even though he constantly displays his strong support for his elite 360,cause in a way he's just being realistic.
Me for one HATES the 360 ONLY for the hardware failures,ignore these issues n it's a great machine but i think i luv my ps3 better than my 360,obviously cause of reliability.

Xbox was i think reliable than the PS2 with better graphics,that didn't matter,the PS2 was widely accepted,it's the same scenario in this gen,i hate to admit.

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Aftab
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 7:30:15 PM

To Joshua, cut my name name as you wish, call me what you want. I could care less how you vent your hidden-furstration. But, I wasn't the one knocking the best treatment in the world that this country offers consumers, just so I can defend the atrocious failure rate of the 360. Nor was I defending the ps2, mind you, which wasn't perfect, but still couldn't not be compared to abysmal reliability of the 360. And this is coming from someone who has owned a ps2 and an xbox, and now owns a ps3 and a 360.

And www_dot_com, there was nothing "realistic" about that comment that I was referring to earlier. He was complaining about the inconvenience of vehicular safety standards, and hot-coffee warnings, yet considers the failure rate of the 360 a fact of life, to defend his beloved investment. That is the epitomy of self-delusion.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 2:04:20 AM

Af

I was simply stating that the PS3 is remarkably in the same boat (almost) is the the original Xbox.

With the pros and cons almost exactly the same in this generation.

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 6:46:16 AM

The comment of yours I'm referring to is the one where you complain about the pain of hot coffee warnings, yet regard RROD as a tolerable fact of life.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 8:20:51 AM

I was referring to the disk debate. If you own one it comes with a sticker right on the drive telling you not to move it around when on.....

I will never stand up for RROD. As I see that the one thing that keeps the 360 down. I could only imagine how much more successful it would of been.....

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 9:01:38 AM

Keep on skirting. Btw, my 360 scratched up my discs while being stationary. I realised the platform that it was on was about a degree or less than that from being perfectly flat.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 1:47:02 PM

Af owns a 360. What games you got?=]

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 11:05:27 PM

Gears 1 & 1.5, and Gaiden of War May Cry 2.

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Deleted User
Sunday, December 21, 2008 @ 5:50:27 AM

I just have to ask.

Was it the allure of it that made you buy one? You know they do appeal to the same people.

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Aftab
Sunday, December 21, 2008 @ 8:23:29 AM

Allure? Yes, regarding the Gears games, however, my real reason for getting the 360 was for NG2, after enjoying Sigma so much on the ps3.

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Deleted User
Sunday, December 21, 2008 @ 4:48:44 PM

Gears and Halo are amazing. I love shooters and since Call of Duty is multiplatform I got all the best.

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Aftab
Sunday, December 21, 2008 @ 6:10:11 PM

Gears was a bit overhyped, but still a great title. I liked the gritty art-style, and headshots were satisfying. I didn't play much of Halo, except for the first one, and some random frag fights in the third, so I can't comment on it. I'll probably play it after MGS4.

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coolistic
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 7:16:55 PM
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You Americans are the only one left still buying that faulty 360 shit:)

That's really funny! XD

PS3 sells best in Europe and Asia...

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 2:05:17 AM

Do I even have to clarify you stupidity?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 7:57:48 PM
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Okay, this needs to be clarified:

The PS2 had terrible problems at launch. I think everyone knows that; I worked at an EB during the launch, and I remember it clearly. I also remember working there at the same time next year, and it was no longer an issue. For the past 7 years running, the PS2 has operated on a consistent 2-3% defective ratio according to all major retailers. It's an extremely reliable machine and has been since late 2001.

The Xbox, on the other hand, was the least reliable console ever made and it stayed that way until the 360 came out...and then the 360 was even worse. The difference is that Sony obviously wants to fix the problem and Microsoft only wants to extort consumers and force them to buy multiple replacements.

There's no getting around this FACT: Microsoft has made the two least reliable consoles in history, and because they refuse to actually fix any of it, this will continue. I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous, and no gamer should cut them ANY slack whatsoever.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 2:10:08 AM

Ben come on.

I went threw 3 PS2s. I grant you im not even a die hard gamer. I spend most of my time working on cars(Mustang) and hanging with friends/GF.

Even my slim version. That I bought in 2006 has the DVD drive failed in it. I know we all have our bias around here but I dont deny what iv seen right in front of me.

The original Xbox I have. Was made in 2002..Yet it still works fine. Maybe its just me.


Lets also clear this up. I for one am PISSED at MS for the reliability of the 360. Could you imagine what a force it would be if it never had any reliability problems? I call it a missed opportunity.

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 7:11:59 AM

For a person who spends "most" of his time fixing his Mustang, hanging with his GF and friends, and whatever else you'd have us believe (like wearing old spice, taking part in safaris, photoshoots, shark punching contests, and letters to Swedish people), you sure manage to find a lot of time to comment here. And frankly, you might want to tone down the anecdotal hyperbole by just a little bit, 'cuz the ps2/xbox stats you just gave couldn't have happened even if you were the badluck center of the universe. I understand arguing for the sake of amusement, but when you feel the need to make up stories, and accuse others of hypocrisy, it's really something else.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 8:22:35 AM

What are you talking about? Is it common for people to lie about stupid shyt? Or is that just you.

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 9:52:28 AM

What? Not having fun anymore, are you?

To answer your question, yes. It is common with people, particularly with "fans", "fanboys", and fanatics, what have you. The first person a fanatic lies to his own self, when he defies reason to justify some personal cirucumstance, decision, investment or loyalty that is made or given in the absense of full sense and proper judgement. This does not just end with games or "stupid shyt", but with sports, politics, religion and so forth. The next stage of fanaticism is dissembling. Even after knowing the truth of a particular matter, thinking that it is too late to turn back, they will proliferate partial evidence, and true, albeit, misdirecting arguments much like propaganda to perpetuate the false notions of their "convenient" circumstances to invite others, so that they can further convince themselves or affirm theirselves. When this deep-rooted insecurity is brought to their attention, the most primitive of them will resort to sheer hostility. The slightly more sophisicated of them will simply laugh it off and ask others why are they taking themselves so seriously or that the discussion is just for amusment, yet fail to hide the fact of the seriousness of their persisting effort to have to justify or defend the source of their insecurity, which cannot be possibly in the name of "fun". Do you follow?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 11:02:13 AM

Joshua: Tone down the fanboyism, which you claim doesn't exist.

Your personal experience is irrelevant. I'm telling you about retail statistics. Do I have to repeat myself again? THE XBOX SYSTEMS ARE THE LEAST RELIABLE CONSOLES IN HISTORY. Both are 10 times worse than the PS2 or any Sony console. Just accept it, and PLEASE don't defend it in any way.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 1:44:14 PM

I like this guy Af. The reactions out of him are hilarious.

But no I dont lie about gaming. Is it because I have owned a failed PS2 that you dont believe? The DVD drive failing is more common then you believe. I took it apart myself and put a new one in.

As for cars. I own my own car site. If your interested im sure you would like it. Want a link?



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Deleted User [Administrator]
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 1:45:07 PM

Fine Ben.

Ill leave him alone;)

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 2:57:53 PM

Who are you fooling, kid? You can't cry like a little girl, and then use the disingenous, "why so serious" card at the same time.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 3:23:48 PM

lol

What have I cried about? Its my own personal experience with the hardware from both sides. If that offends you. Who cares.

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 10:59:53 PM

Thought you didn't have a ps3?

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Deleted User
Sunday, December 21, 2008 @ 5:23:59 AM

Read above. We were talking about Xbox vs PS2.

We have all had our experiences. But I find the original to be superior in every way hardware wise. The games I play lie GTA/Halo/Forza look amazing on it. It loads faster, and I can listen to music I put in the HD while I play.

Now the first PS2 I got was when it came out. And it would never read blue disks...I gave it the benefit of the dought and when it stoped working I bought a new one in 2005. Now this was a slim version and after a while its DVD drive went out. I took it apart myself and put a new one in.

Its nothing major. But my Xbox was made in 2002. And it works fine.

Know knows..Maybe its just me right?

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LightShow
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 10:28:07 PM
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Man, people are HOSTILE tonight...

It's almost Christmas! Why dont you chowderheads stow it until new years? Hell, even the Germans and the Brits called a ceasefire for Christmas in WWI...

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QuasarSquirrel
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 10:49:05 PM

And Ben had just recently put out such a great article on the level of hostility nowadays. How quickly we forget I suppose.

Also, thanks for responding to my battery post without being a douche LightShow.

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LightShow
Friday, December 19, 2008 @ 11:06:36 PM

i try to avoid it whenever i can ^_^

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 7:19:29 AM

Dude, Christmas in the US isn't until next week. And in other areas of the world, like parts of Europe and South America, it happens as late as Jan 5th! So I have at least a few days until cease-fire. Bah, humbug! I am also mildy allergic to chowder.

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isaya85
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 12:45:53 AM
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Im onboard the playstation brand till the very end they have my support


PSN ID Biggest_GMoney

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 2:14:52 AM
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Jebus, such a benign article and some wacky discussions arise. I don't think Ben was being hostile, I think the dude just finally f*ckin said what everyone knows. I've got an xbox1 and that damn thing was always wonky until I hacked the bloody thing and put in my own dashboard. I mean how many people woulda been pissed if the NES just up and died 30% percent of the time?

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ceedot
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 5:45:25 AM
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With a console that has a failure rate of 30% (which I think is even more), laser burns disks by a tiny tremble, is as loud as an aircraft taking off, and has perihaples that should be stock, I would say the 360 is already dying, even if people are stupid enough to buy it.

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PS3_Wizard
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 9:40:19 AM
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Yeah i currently work at gamestop part-time and i still see alot of xbox costumers bring back their system because it bricked.

Some are even on their 3rd console! I laugh in my head everytime i hear about someone's system bricking and them having to send it back. My manager even had his 360 elite red ring! Most xbox dorks say that the elite WONT red ring! well my boss is a living testament.

Its sad. I try to tell them to convert to the Dark side (PS3), but its as if they are all homicidal zombie freaks, brainwashed by the chanting in their heads from microsoft to stay on the bandwagon.

We will see how long that lasts while the PS3 has the better exclusives in the future. I would love to preach to every gamer/parent who want to purchase that new 360, but my company forbids it (bad for business by limiting sales), but I also deeply saddens me that microsoft ripped off a few more suckers.

By the way. Its inevitable that microsoft will completely abandon the 360 as soon as the next systems comes out. look how the original xbox got shoved to the side! same with nintendo and the gamecube!

Sony has always had a better business sense, and I love how they continue to incorporate older games in the new system. Thats why im glad I bought the original 60gig PS3 1 week after the PS3 launched! BC FTW!

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 10:09:15 AM
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The other day i was at Walmart. I noticed a fellow customer who purchased a ps3 and was busy choosing between a few titles. I helpfully advised the person to pick up at least one game that they can play online. A sales rep who already sold the person the ps3 felt the need to blurt out, "The 360 can do that, too." I smiled to myself.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 1:38:36 PM

Well hes right.

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 2:40:38 PM

Yeah, I thought so, too. I'm sure he won't have to replace his ps3 anytime, soon.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 3:25:11 PM

True..But when it does go it better not be over a year after purchase.

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 11:13:46 PM

More like 5 years, at least. That's how long my first generation ps2 (bought new) lasted, until it started occasionally misreading film DVD's, though it still ran my video games without a hitch. And that's after leaving the thing running for days on end on many occasions. I could be the exception, but based on the general statistics, and Sony's proven reliability for electronics and manufacturing, I highly doubt it.

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Deleted User
Sunday, December 21, 2008 @ 5:44:41 AM

Fair enough. I will admit the PS systems run a long time. All my PS2s tho had the DVD drive go out. Which is a common problem but the games work just fine. I to have just left mine on for forever and it just goes.

You guys have to remember I dont hate Sony..Hell I spent my whole life besides the ast 5 months playing nothing but em. I think the only Sony product I havent had is the PS3. Iv played it before tho.

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LightShow
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 12:04:54 PM
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I heard an interesting statistic the other day; since the XBOX program was started up by microsoft, They have yet to turn a net profit.

for those who are confused, the amount of money spent on their computer entertainment wing since it started is more than the amount of money it has earned.

in any other company, the XBOX would be deemed a failure and scrapped, but since M$ could pay off the US national deficit single-handedly, it can support a venture that has yet to turn a profit

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 1:38:13 PM

Isnt that awesome?=]

MS has so much money they can play around with the market.

Go buy this exclusive. Go spend that on advertising. I love it.

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 2:41:38 PM

I'm sure you like getting played around with.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 3:27:22 PM

Sure do.

Who wouldn't enjoy a night alone with 2 hot blonds.

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LightShow
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 4:57:00 PM

It feels like a social experiment, or a pet project, certainly not a profitable business venture.

Awesome? I'm in awe the xbox hasn't been axed, but thats all the awe I feel...

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 11:01:31 PM

Yeah JA, but guys don't count.

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Aftab
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 11:42:30 PM

Finally J.A., as much as I enjoy this banter with you, it seems about as fruitless as trying to engage in a coherent or meaningful discussion with Sarah Palin, or trying to convince her that living in Alaska does not count as experience for international affairs. After all, this comment section isn't my personal writing space. As for playing "who wants to be the bigger a-hole", I forfeit. You win.

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Deleted User
Sunday, December 21, 2008 @ 5:47:55 AM

Damn you af.

And for you saying Xbox is a venture. I dought that. They seem pretty serious to me.

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Aftab
Sunday, December 21, 2008 @ 8:45:44 AM

Don't get me wrong, either. The 360 has some very cool titles, which I enjoy. However, due to the well-known, persisting reliability issues of the hardware, and MS's substandard customer care, I only play my favorite exclusive titles on it, sparingly, so that it doesn't red-ring on me. With my ps3, I enjoy all the exclusives and prefer to play the multiplatform titles on it, since I can reasonably expect to get more hours out of the machine without burning it out, as well as being able to play online for free, and the added bonus of bluray.

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Deleted User
Sunday, December 21, 2008 @ 4:45:59 PM

I dont know if your care but they just launched a new version called Jasper. I think you should look it up because its amazingly quiet and runs really cool.

It has a redesigned motherboard and is expected to cure RROD. I can see where you are coming from..Really these are the only things that keep me from getting a PS3.

1. No full Gran Turismo yet. I loved that game and the demo dont cut it.

2. It dont have Halo (Never played it b4 my Xbox and now I love it) or the Exclusive GTA content(GTA is my favorite game) that I dont want to miss out on.

3. The price..when it comes down I might check it out. I will admit to liking bluray far more then DVDs.

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LightShow
Sunday, December 21, 2008 @ 4:59:28 PM

of course they seem serious, with refusing to FIX the reliability issues and offering horrible customer support.

Thats a great way to show me, the consumer, that your serious about making me happy.

And they're putting cheaper, less powerful processors in the 360 to make sure it doesn't overheat. "Falcon" downgraded the CPU, and this "Jasper" will downgrade the GPU, or the Graphics Processing Unit. It's the most amazing thing ever!!

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Aftab
Sunday, December 21, 2008 @ 6:18:25 PM

If it is determined within a reasonable degree of probability that the Jasper model is free of RROD problems, then, yes, I will be psyched.

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PS3_Wizard
Saturday, December 20, 2008 @ 1:09:30 PM
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good way of putting it lightshow.

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Deleted User
Sunday, December 21, 2008 @ 5:48:50 AM

Whose comparing the 360 to PS2?

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