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PS3 And 360 Are For Gamers, Wii Is For...Everyone Else

I was one of the first to stand up and applaud Nintendo for making the decision to avoid a head-on confrontation with Sony and Microsoft. They took a different route and struck gold...lots of gold. But after 2008 and looking forward to 2009, the evidence is clear: the Wii is not a next-gen gaming platform. It's a gadget. A toy. Something the entire world can easily get behind - I'm not denying that - but also something that obviously doesn't need "AAA" next-gen software to be successful. And because this flies directly in the face of the unwavering rule that a system can't be popular without the games, this proves the Wii isn't really a game platform in this generation.

I've done editorials on this before, but as far as I'm concerned, this is news that everyone needs to accept. If you look at 2008 and list out the top 25 games of the year, there might be one or two Wii titles in there, and neither will have a shot in hell at securing a Game of the Year nomination, let alone a victory. And in 2009, both the PS3 and 360 will leave the Wii further behind in terms of software; there's absolutely no denying this. Therefore, for the very first time in history, the third competitor in the so-called video game console war isn't necessarily a machine that caters to gamers. In fact, one can argue it caters to non-gamers more than anything. The commercials, the buyers, the demographic; I don't see gamers anywhere. I see a lot of people who find the simple technology to be magical and new, those who last played a video game back in 1983 in the arcades. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, as far as I'm concerned. I'm just saying...

And of course, I'm sure we'll get a ton of replies saying things like, "I have all 3 consoles and I'm a gamer!" Yes, I'm aware that gamers own the Wii, but I do have one question- how many out there who call themselves gamers only own the Wii? And here's a better question- of the people who only own a PS3 or 360, how many can be considered avid gamers compared to those who only have a Wii in the living room? The statistics might surprise some people if these numbers ever came out, but they wouldn't surprise me. At first, I was intrigued by a video game console that apparently doesn't need any new software to continue to sell millions of units. Then I realized it's not the software that even matters; it's the gimmick. Nintendo knew they couldn't compete in a technical sense this generation, so I thought they were trying another tact to appeal to gamers, but in fact, they were bypassing the avid gamer crowd altogether. They went after everyone else.

Hence, don't misunderstand this article. That was a genius move on the part of Nintendo, and all the more impressive considering that "everyone else" typically associates the word "Nintendo" with video games. Don't we all have parents who used to call all our game consoles "Nintendos" even when they weren't? So this legendary company found a way to say, "hey, we've got something for you, too...check it out!" That's an amazing maneuver and I will forever remain in awe of the Wii project. I swear I will. But as a gamer, I don't own a Wii and probably never will, and the same goes for just about everyone else I know. And to drive the point home even further, everyone I know who isn't a gamer...owns a Wii. Get it?

12/23/2008 Ben Dutka

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scrapo
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 1:03:47 PM
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Totally agree with you Ben. I havenĀ“t touched my Wii for months

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SarahPalinMILF
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 2:59:50 PM

I haven't touched a Wii ever...

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br0d1n
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 7:06:33 PM

these comments could so be taken out of context...

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Jed
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 12:19:23 AM

I've only touched one wii, and it was mine ;)

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seismictech
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 1:13:31 PM
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lol i have a huge wii fanboy friend who just hates the ps3 and 360 (even though he has a 360 now) and i said "what's wrong with the ps3?" and he's like "there's no good games on it."

pretty stupid considering how horrible the wii's game catalog is. one time i actually defended the ps3, even though i didn't like it, because i hate the wii so much more.

he asked me "name me three good games on the ps3."

so the next day i made a list of games for him (this was last year), and there were at least 12 high scoring ps3 exclusives on it alone not including all the multiplat games like call of duty 4 and stuff, and he turned into super nintendo fanboy saying how half the games sucked (which even i thought wasn't true on some parts) and are better on the other consoles.

he even said ratchet was a stupid kid game but he fu**ing owns mario galaxy and animal crossing; the only two games that will be remotely considered a hardcore wii game besides smash brothers or metroid prime.

i fu**ing hate how wii owners think they're hardcore gamers and talk trash on the ps3 and say that old mantra that the ps3 has no games and then you look at all the crapola on the wii and you realize that they're just throwing stones in glass huts.

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Jed
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 12:21:20 AM

animal crossing was hardcore?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 1:16:37 PM
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Wii=owned

LOL @ "Nintendos" One time I even heard "Dreamcastle" haha.

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zerostar39
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 1:17:09 PM
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yeah. the only game I play anymore on the wii is actually a gamecube game: Mario Kart double dash. Without the software AND graphics of ps3 and xbox 360 I'm not really interested in the Wii.

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Zaben
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 1:24:56 PM
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Beautifully put.
Nintendo has always been my all time favorite gaming company. This is mostly because they are the ones who really created the foundation of video games (at least for me). Even though I, too, will probably never want to own a Wii, I still respect Nintendo for their brilliant move.
I can only hope that with the endless supplies of money they are creating, they develop a gaming console that will appeal to me.

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The_Benny
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 1:28:22 PM
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Ben, you've said elsewhere though that you haven't owned a Nintendo system since the SNES, right? Which suggests that Nintendo have essentially gone from making games you don't care about to... making games that you don't care about, although admittedly it's a looser definition of the word 'games' this gen.

Which isn't to say you're wrong, Nintendo have done an awful job of appealing to gamers this year. The only real reasons being either that they make enough money off of their new audience that they don't need to, or they didn't expect it to be the huge success that it has and it's taken them by surprise. Cobbling minigames together using one of their peripherals is likely easier than making a new Metroid, Mario or Zelda, but if they haven't got a few big games for 2009 then they'll probably be lost to most gamers.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 2:51:35 PM

True, I haven't owned a Nintendo system since the SNES. But the other systems DID require games in order to succeed; both the N64 and GameCube required the "AAA" software, and the reason the GC didn't do so well is because it didn't have a lot of those.

The Wii is a very different animal.

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The_Benny
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 3:27:04 PM

Undoubtedly, but your behaviour (from SNES to Sony) isn't exactly a rare one. Nintendo have been making quality games for years and almost single-handedly supported their consoles, but gamers had mostly moved on to the company that was making gaming cool (and improving the industry and creating fantastic games as well, of course).

Most gamers ignored Nintendo to the point that people essentially expected them to abandon the console race altogether, and now Nintendo have seemingly started ignoring them back and are making more money from doing so. It's a little odd in that respect to see this general backlash from gamers.

"Hey guys, that kid we've been ignoring for years totally blanked me today! Can you believe the nerve of that guy?"

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Aftab
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 4:14:18 PM

I'm not sure if this is about Nintendo ignoring customers. To me it seems Nintendo has traditionally catered toward a younger audience. During the advent of the ps, gaming opened up to an older demographic, and since then, Nintendo made attempts to put out a few games to cater to them, too, but not at the cost of losing their traditional and larger demographic... the younger one.

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Riku994
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 1:28:49 PM
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Don't we all have parents who used to call all our game consoles "Nintendos" even when they weren't?

People do that this gen with XBox. Whenever my teachers talk about gaming theyll say something like "You guys are always sittin at home playin' your xbox" And im like dude wtf shut the hell up XBox isnt the only thing out there. It seriously gets to me.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 1:49:28 PM

It was all PlayStation when I was in school (im 21)

It was easy to see why tho. Most people say whats most common.

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GamerKid123
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 6:28:41 AM

I get that alot too, get's frustrating doesn't it?

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LCF
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 1:34:38 PM
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Nintendo is hurting the industry by not advancing the tech along with microsoft and Sony.When the X360 was released is was(at the time) more advanced then the PC.That did not last long though.I got the feeling that Nintendo will not come out with any new system till Sony comes out with theirs.By then you will see like 300 million units sold.Its a toy and alot of the casual gamers think it is a toy,cause with the start of the video game era it was always labeled a toy by the masses.Being labeled a toy and having Nintendo/Mario a household name.It can be quite appealing for a parent to purchase for their children.But I think the wii is a gateway console.Wii owners that I know of all have a PS3(they have a X360 but it all bricked on them).

Nintendo still be on top if they keep pumping out 1st party titles like mario and zelda games and it will only be coming from its 1st party(3rd party look at it as a joke so they make shovelware).From wii-fit we'll prolly see wii-battleship or something who knows,Nintendo is in a different plane of exsistence then the PS3 and X360.So Ben dont get too upset,it's a toy/fad for the masses.Besides it's good for Nintendo to be making money considering they were in the hole with the gamecube.Who knows with all this money they might make something so advanced in the next gen that you control games with your mind haha.

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Qubex
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 6:39:22 AM

The mind thing is interesting!

Q!

"i Am HomE"

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Cavan
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 1:36:00 PM
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Riku994
lol when i was at school 4 years ago teachers used to say that, tho then it was playstations... i hope in a few yrs this returns.

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Tim Speed24
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 1:41:00 PM
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The Wii was built for the knuckle draggin "Joe the Plumbers" of the world. It was cheap, easy to play (Senior Citizens play it for crying out loud) and had a motion sensor hook.

I've heard it from many Wii owners, "I have not played it in months". Well, thats a great investment then isn't it?

This article is dead on!

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 7:45:18 PM

Shit I think Joe the plumber makes more than I do...I still got a ps3

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infekt
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 1:42:14 PM
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Lol. Thats why I had the damn "toy" for about 2 weeks and decided to give it up to my niece. Lol. She trashed it in a week. I laughed. Then cried. Then vowed never to nenblendo again.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 1:47:02 PM
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Ben you hit it dead on. Im very impressed.

The thing about the Wii is that its family fun. You guys can throw e tomatoes at me now because iv played it before and its alot of fun.

Its not about killer titles like Gears or MGS4. Its just about you and your girlfriend or family just getting together and playing some tennis, or maybe some golf.

Personally its not for me. I love my HD games and normal controller. But I understand its appeal, and most people usually buy a PS3 or 360 as a second console.

I agree that its not for us. But in a way im happy about that. It brings more sales and software development for us Xbox and Playstation owners.

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Fabi
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 2:10:20 PM
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There's probably better things you can write about Ben. We kinda get the point. BUT, I will say that you further refined your points this time around, and most of your points are even harder to argue against. Last time you left a lot of holes in there.

@World - Dreamcastle? Hehe, that was funny.

It's interesting to see how things change, back when I was in school all you heard was Playstation, and all you saw whenever a system made an appearance on TV or in a movie was Playstation.

Kinda sucks now, for the most part it's always the 360 or the Wii showing up on the screen. It doesn't affect me in any way, it was just cool seeing the system you own on shows you watch.

2009 looks a lot better for the Wii though.

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Alienange
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 2:30:44 PM
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I agree with this article 100%. I've been preaching this same smack for a year now. I paid 300 bux to play Mario Galaxy? People say it's selling well because it's the least expensive of the consoles... It's still 300 bux! and for what? for whaaat?? Can't play Fallout 3, can't play RE5 ... not even the new PoP ! You see Animal Crossing? It's the same rehashed DS game! Unreal...If the wife wasn't playing Mario Kart every day I'd have sold it by now.

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LCF
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 2:57:28 PM

lol! Women! They are masters of the universe haha.

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Tim Speed24
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 3:15:09 PM

You mean they make games for the Wii that don't have the word Mario in it...Whoa.

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Dante399
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 2:31:36 PM
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We lost MonsterHunter3 to the Wii :(
Why do companies like Capcom throw a beautiful game in that weak console? Killing a whole franchise just for the sake of a quick buck?

though the wii is targeting casual gamers, it steals away games that're supposed to be for hardcore gamers....that's what i have against the Wii....kinda frustrating.

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Crono
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 3:14:57 PM

I've never made a secret of hating the Wii myself. The frustrating thing is that I can see a lot of people buying Wii's to play the likes of Monster Hunter 3 and they won't mind it, because it's all the craze.. and there is no way I'd support Nintendo's way of business with a penny of my money (they're getting more than enough from everyone else as it is). The Wii truly does show all symptoms of an in-craze gadget/toy thing.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 2:57:45 PM
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anti wii here

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coldbore
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 3:09:01 PM
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do they still make games for the wii? let's see animal crossing, NHL 09, i think thats it

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Vivi_Gamer
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 3:09:33 PM
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"PS3 And 360 Are For Gamers, Wii Is For...Everyone Else"

I cant think of any better way to describe that, well said. I just dont see the Wii in the same ball park as the PS3 and 360. theres just nothing that appeals to me. its just for party games not proper mainstream games.

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mastiffchild
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 3:13:05 PM
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Thing is Nintendo SHOULD still cater for gamers this gen(and have proven that, when bothered , they easily can make gamer friendly software with an underpowered system)as, like it or not, they still own some of the best loved franchises in gaming. What you say about this not being a three way scramble for gamers is very true but Ninty aren't so daft as to think that either these new gamers won't grow into "core" gamers with more educated tastes or just get bored if they feel it really is a gimmick.
I guess, Ben,what I'm saying is that you're very right in the purest here and now sense but you give no cogniscense to where Nintendo go next. In 2007 I would, if it had an online multiplayer mode like Hunters on DS, probably have made MP3 my game of that year. As it stands it's still one of the best I've played in recent years. People would argue the same for SMG, Twilight Princess and, this year SSBB(if the online hadn't been completely PES2008style broken)as well-Suda 51 did well with NMH as well. Tons of fun but yet you're still right as these games are lost in a mountain of casual arm waving nonsensical shovelware(Wont add World of Goo to any list of good Wii games until someone else admits it's a rip off of Elephunk though).
Which, kind of, leads me to my only point here(other than already having exposed myself as a huge Metroid fan)and that's that maybe while Ninty is getting 3rd parties coming up with new IP's this year to target "core" gamers(you know the list-Madworld, Conduit, Fatal Frame4, Cursed Mountain, Sadness et al)they may also be catering for the need to hang onto their new market as it too becomes in great part "core gamers".
I find it hard to believe that MP3 apart nobody has yet made the shooter work on the Wii(would surely be better with Motion plus as well)and thus The Conduit is kind of a real watershed in my opinion for the little white box. I feel that if they can get HV's game to really work with the controls how we, as gamers, all first imagined whe we heard about the then Revolutions scheme then they'll go some way to holding onto gamers from the new and past gens for their next console. Surely this is something they must be thinking about.

There's also some innovation on the Wii these days-Deadly Creatures, Lostwinds etc and along with the "play it on Wii" range of classic CG titles coming up alongside new versions of Punchout and the S&P sequel maybe Nintendo are thinking along these lines. Certainly the abject failure of Wii Music has changed the noises coming out of RFA and Co towards hardcore gaming. Hopefully this is them educating their market and those of us already considering ourselves gamers(or core gamers)will get some classic Nintendo gameplay>graphics games to make our Wii purchases more than an expensive dust collecting novelty and the innovation(like we're seeing massively on PSN right now)will benefit us all.

This all said the line up of games for the PS3(exclusives AND multi plats)this year is the most impressive of all three consoles even if the Wii doesn't directly compete. Nintendo will have to make sure that as their new gamers get more choosy they don't choose to go elsewhere. As a gamer I'm still gonna give my Wii another chance(this year there should be more of interest being fair about it on the Wii)to entertain me but if they aren't careful Nintendo might just be creating future Sony and MS customers with their wide net approach. The fallout(in both software and hardware terms)should benefit ALL gamers with any luck.
Sorry about the huge post guys-I do go on a bit-anyway back to MGS4(again) for me(GOTY above LBP in my mind.

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chaosrunner
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 3:32:31 PM
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I have to disagree, Ben. At least, to a point. While I only purchased a Wii because my wife wanted a low impact workout during the time of the year when she can't go swimming, I don't see why not having a state of the art gaming console makes someone less of a gamer. Given, this is a semantic arguement and it's going to depend entirely upon what you define a gamer as being.

That being said, I agree that the Wii is not in the same league as the PS3 or XBox 360. It is not a 'next gen' console. It's a departure from the 'bigger, better, faster' school. It does not have any games that are in the game of the year category. But it plays games and people who play games are still gamers.

So yes, I think that the Wii can't be looked at in the same way that the 360 and PS3. I think it is a part of a different paradigm. But just because the Dreamcast is several generations old doesn't mean it's not a gaming console, nor does it mean the people who feel it was one of the best ever made are any less gamers.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 3:40:53 PM

I think my point is what audience the Wii is targeting. And I maintain that they're not going after gamers, which you essentially proved by saying you got it for your wife.

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 7:49:25 PM

Seriously she'd probably get a better workout just walking up a flight of stairs if she is a swimmer. The Wii fit will only get couch potatoes breathin heavy.

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chaosrunner
Thursday, December 25, 2008 @ 7:25:08 AM

You're entitled to your opinion, Wage, but considering we don't have a lot of steps (single level house) and it's primarily for the periods when it's too cold to be comfortable going for a walk, it still serves a purpose. If you do the minimum, you're right, there's very little benefit. But you can still do enough to raise your heart rate to get some aerobic benefit out of it. It's hardly useful for building strength or definition, but it's still better than sitting around and doing nothing.

And Ben, as I said, I think it comes down to a difference in opinion on the meaning of 'gamer.' My wife's not a big console gamer, but she loves 'casual games.' And despite my superior vocabulary, she never stops challenging me at Scrabble. So does the fact that she doesn't understand what I'm babbling about when I try to explain what it is about Uncharted that I loved make her less of a game player?

Like I said, it's a semantic arguement, but it's one that I feel is important because it helps move away from labels.

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Buckeyestar
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 3:37:34 PM
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I agree completely, the Wii is not for gamers. If it were, it would actually have games, not interactive . . . I don't even know what to call them. It is very nearly the same situation on the DS, which is why I don't and won't own either. Nintendo doesn't seem to care about real games anymore, they'd just rather churn out fluff. How many people actually play their Wii? I'm not talking about plopping in a disc every now and then or breaking it out for parties. That only makes it a novelty, not a real gaming console. What I mean is bringing home your latest "must have" game and sitting down with it for hours. Not gonna happen on the Wii.

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Jed
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 12:35:34 AM

great point about the DS. It does have some real games, but is going the way of the wii.

Have you seen "My quit smoking coach"? shame

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Shatterday
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 3:38:12 PM
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You know. Nintendo could definitely use the Wii's success to catapult it to the top of the NEXT next gen console wars.

Have you seen this? Have you heard about this?

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Fane1024
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 4:43:35 PM

Unlikely, as they don't seem to be willing to spend their windfall on, you know, opening new studios or producing, you know, new games. Hard to compete on the level with Sony (and Microsoft) when you only have 4-6 REAL games released per year.

p.s. I singled out Sony not because of my bias, but because of the vastly superior network of first-party developers which Sony has, especially since Bungie went independent.

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Aftab
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 4:37:26 PM
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They could, but they wouldn't. Simply wouldn't be cost effective for them. They make much more money catering to their target audience as it stands, and they have no need nor interest to enter the race with MS and Sony which is a very risky one (investment-wise).

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 4:40:49 PM
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Tomb Raider Underworld + low review scores+available on Wii= coincidence? Nahhh

I think we are living in a strange time when "gamers" can no longer be considered one groupable people. Wii-only players are some kind of splinter group or cult. :P

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Aftab
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 6:14:31 PM

That's true. Really, I only consider myself a "gamer" during sporadic times of the year. I'll go for a week at times without playing a game. But when time opens up, and a game of my liking comes out, my nights are gone. And even though I don't consider myself a true gamer, let alone a hardcore one (although there are a few games I can play forever), I still haven't found any appeal in the Wii for myself. Perhaps, this is because I purchase my consoles for specific games in mind, even if it is just for a couple. I got my psp for one game in mind, my 360 for two, and my ps3 for about 5 (3 of which went multiplatform), with the single exception that the ps3 also doubled as bluray player, and seemed much more reliable. (I am, ofcourse, looking foward to other games on the consoles.) Although, SMB Galaxy and Zelda looked promising, they still weren't enticing enough to me to warrant a purchase.

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Fabi
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 4:45:01 PM
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Too much hating going on. Lets focus on something else.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 4:58:24 PM

...I don't see any hate. I see legitimate statements.

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D_RoyJenkins
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 5:07:38 PM
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i totally agree with this article...wii is more of a fad, everyone wanted it wen it got famous but theres nothing more to attract people to it. if nintendo keeps on their current path theyre gonna have to release a new console every 2-3 years

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 5:13:51 PM
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Ben doesn't have a psychology degree for nothing.

This right here is proof of that
This is without a doubt the truth

We as gamers have been puzzled by how a console without HIT games has sold so much.

Yeah the price matters, but it's more than that, it's the whole thing with the wiimote which has promoted easy and party games.

The Wii's not really 'bou 1player action games like God of War.

It's more for games like Wiiplay, Wiisports, SuperSmashBros. Brawl, etc.

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city96
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 5:35:42 PM
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Yep i mean nintendo has nice girls playin Wii then puttin it on the web n stupid horny lonely men say "oohhh shes hooott. im gettin me a wii

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somethingrandom
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 5:43:38 PM
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Did I just see an ad about bisexual women on this site? wow lol...

But anywho, if the Wii has COD 5 can't that be considered AAA? And if the Wii has COD 5 why doesn't the PS2? I mean... the PS2 DOES have better graphics.

You also have to consider that a lot of casual gamers see themselves as gamers. I was at my oldest sisters house and one of my brother-in-law's relatives wouldn't play The Price Is Right DVD game with some little boy that was there because she didn't deem herself a gamer... Since when do gamers play The Price Is Right DVD game?!?!

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Aftab
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 5:58:04 PM

In terms of hardware,

PS3 >= 360 > Wii > GameCube > PS2

Not sure how Wii ranks against a last-gen xbox, though.

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Jed
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 12:49:50 AM

Some of the names of great games like COD will make it to the wii, but they are not the same games that we see on other consoles.

These games either have their graphics and controls dumbed down to suit wii hardware, or a completely different game will be developed and given the name. Like star wars TFUL, or EA's "All Play" titles.

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somethingrandom
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 1:04:05 AM

Or the PS2 version of Need For Speed Pro Street lol. That game didn't show damage except for smoke, and looked like absolute s*** compared to the PS3 version.

@Aftab
You can't tell me you've seen anything on the Wii that looks as good as God of War 2. Can you?

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Aftab
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 7:51:08 AM

No doubt, but try comparing RE4 on the Wii or GC to the one on the PS2. But, don't get me wrong. I'd take a ps2 over a wii or gc, any day, not for the graphic capability, but for the richness of it's library.

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jerocarson
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 5:47:04 PM
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I don't own a Wii and probably never will, and the same goes for just about everyone else I know.

lol, ben i concur, period.

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herukuti
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 6:03:53 PM
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for next gen i started off with a wii then an xbox 360 then a ps3 overall i spent moe time on the wii and 360 but recently have been enjoying the psn titles more than anything else.

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Aftab
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 6:16:59 PM

Ironically, i had more fun on my psp than the 360 or ps3 in the beginning part of the year. My ps3 reigns king now, though.

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Robertson99
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 6:58:56 PM
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I agree completely. The Wii is not for gamers, it is for everyone else. In my opinion, the Wii is more of a 'Family Console' than a 'Games Console', purely and simply because of the fact that more people buy it to play with their families then to play on their own / online. It cannot compete with the PS3 or the other one 'cos it's not in the same league as them.

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Robochic
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 7:31:57 PM
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I do agree with you ben as well, it's a family console or for someone who doesn't really play hardcore. I just got a Wii for an early christmas gift and i love it i also owe a ps3 but i'm big on different games, i love my first person shooter games and rpgs but i love Wii fit and getting off my butt sometimes. I do think Nintendo is the smartest when it comes to advertising though thats why they sell some much wii's they are a very smart diverse company.

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Gogaku
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 8:07:21 PM
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I have a PS3 and a Wii, they fit my needs perfectly. I play games on my PS3 and I play interactive sports and work out on my Wii. I don't really compare the two and even though I did enjoy Metroid Prime 3 I have yet to play anything else that I enjoyed on the Wii except for Nintendo's own games.
I did have something else in mind when I first purchased my Wii, I pictured epic sword battles and intense gun play, but I'm ok with the fact that it's more of a sports simulator/work out help for me, I still have a lot of fun with it!

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Fabi
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 8:35:32 PM
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I don't care what Nintendo does. I don't own a Wii and nobody is forcing me to buy one. There is room for all three systems.

If Tomb Raider sucked because it was also made for the Wii (as someone mentioned above), then OH WELL. There are plenty of other games out there that I can play, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.

Video games arent important enough for me to worry about what Nintendo is doing. I think that's the problem. A lot of people don't use videogames to add to their life, they use them more as their actual life.

It's a Playsation site Ben, I think you should stop focusing so much on all these Wii focused articles (as true as it is). This article is almost the same as the last one, just more refined.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 9:36:53 PM

I've written a grand total of 3 pieces with the Wii involved in any way in over 2 years, where I average over 150 pieces every month.

So thanks for the advice, but I can handle the content for this site. I don't see anyone else complaining, do you?

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 12:32:21 AM

No offense Fabi, but you sound really butt hurt about someone telling the truth about the Wii. I think most people can agree with his article, no matter what side of the fence you may lay on concerning sony and microsoft

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 10:01:01 AM

I thought we all knew that Fabi was no fan of Sony or the Playstation...

-Arvis

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 8:46:05 PM
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If I remember correctly, the very first time I discovered a Wii-Mote, I was staring down at it when I about 5 years old.

And to think, even after another 51 years have gone by, it's still the best damned......
er.....remote, I ever owned.

Different Wii-Wii you say?????
OHHHHH.........well then......NEVVVVER MIND!

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FLYING_APE
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 9:37:22 PM
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1 2 3 NERD ATTACK freakin hilarious man

My gf loves wii so nintendo are cool with me but when nintendo go hardcore xbox will have no place in the industry

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 3:41:25 PM

That's exactly what I'm hoping for.

Sony and Ninendo had such a great battle in the N64/Playstaiton1 years.

So much creativity and innovation came to fruition during those years.

Then Microsoft f***s everything up with the Xbox and weakens the rivalry Sony and Nintendo once had.

I really want Nintendo and Sony to go at it in the future without Microsoft.

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wiiplay
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 9:44:59 PM
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I personally love Nintendo.
I love the DS more then the Wii. And I never use the Wii.
I barely use the DS.
Yes, my name is Wiiplay. (I actually had this name before the game Wiiplay came out)

Question: when will you get PlayStation Home cheats/hints?
Like how to get into the three doors on Uncharted.
As I hate looking onto other websites to find it.

Off Topic Question: What colour will the next PS3 giveaway be? I'm hoping for green.

PS: I'm sorry for posting these questions in this thread. But every time I try to send PSXE an email, or when I try to post in another comment thread, I am getting an error message.

Pleeease no error message!

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Jiggy
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 @ 11:06:36 PM
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The only good thing about the Wii is that A LOT of girls like to play it. And the online was so horrible I couldn't take it!

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dveisalive
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 12:06:46 AM
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I am a huge Nintendo and Sony fan, and I agree with you Ben that you applaud Nintendo for taking a different approach, but Nintendo was right that we dont need 3 consoles that offer HD content etc.. they said it is like having 3 powerful dinosaurs fighting eachother to there own extinction and so on. Nintendo did grow up a little bit, but in the end all Wii owners wil eventually end up with a PS3, when PS3 prices come down to 299 for holiday 09! But I agree with with Jiggy if you have a girl friend or Girl as friends like I do, The Wii can get you laid! to were my Ps3 is my ultimate electronic turn on LMOAL! I end this saying 360 sucks PERIOD!

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Jed
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 12:59:49 AM
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I totally agree with ben here.

Game consoles need games to survive,

the wii succeeds, but has no games,

therefore, the wii is not a game console.

I had a wii for a while. My family loved the wii sports. I had a good time playing Twilight Princess, and then Resident Evil 4. After that i didnt turn it on for about six months. so I traded it in for a slim psp.

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weeee
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 1:35:26 AM
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lol so true. all relatives used to call gaming systems nintendos. like...

hey stop playing that nintendo!

ive heard a ps3 ps2 ps1 xbox etc etc all been called a nintendo.lol

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Fabi
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 1:38:19 AM
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@Ben - What I'm trying to say is that I recall you bringing up that same topic in other articles, and did you not just write an article a couple weeks back that was pretty much the same as this?

@aaron - No one is butt hurt. I agree with what he says, completely. I just don't think it deserves two articles in such a short time.

This article is pretty much useless. He already said most of what he said in the last one, it's not going to change anything.

Hate the Wii all you want, it's going to keep selling, and that's fine. This article isn't gonna change anyone's mind about getting one.

Just like you're never gonna convince a 360 fanboy that the PS3's lineup is better than the 360's.

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Qubex
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 6:53:00 AM
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Whilst I don't have great interest in owning a Wii I often check some of the games available for it on GameSpot and IGN. I like the video reviews; gives me and idea of what it can do, technical abilities and the like...

I did notice it does have its fair share of games, like COD etc. I wouldn't say it has no games. I also like the fact it can be modded; you can use it for homebrew and running alternative Os's..

For what it is and the price asked... it is a fair deal for complete family entertainment.... and I am sure a hit with kids...

It is good Nintendo has mixed it up a bit... Good luck to them, M$ and Sony must just work harder!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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cifi10
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 8:47:09 AM
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the wii is okay but i'll stick with ps3 and sony 4ever

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Dingodial
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 11:25:20 AM
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I have a friend & his family has 3 Wiis and guess what games he plays: Mario and Wii bowling! Suprised? NO!

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Qubex
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 11:32:37 AM
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I am going to buy a Wii tomorrow and mod it for homebrew!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Fabi
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 12:25:29 PM
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@ffrulez - Great way to put it.

There are different types of gamers, and while not all can be labeled "hardcore", they are all gamers.

I have a friend who's been playing games since the NES, but he hates complex games like MGS and FF games (or he thinks they're complex). But will play a bunch of sports, racing, and fighting games.

He can do all that on the Wii, doesn't mean he's not a real gamer.

What a lot of you have to realize is that games to a lot of people are just that, games. And they don't have a bad day when Sony losses an exclusive game, or when their favorite franchise gets a 7 in a review.

I agree with what ffrulez said, games are supposed to be fun before anything else. And you can't tell me the Wii isn't fun.

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Crono
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 2:12:07 PM

If your friend is satisfied with the Wii's offering of fighters, racers, sports games then he's most certainly not a hardcore gamer of the times. Talking about the NES and the games from the earliest era's; one can argue that they were simple and yet required much practice to perfect. Gaming being undeveloped as it was, cranking up the difficulty (to master it) was perhaps about the only way to keep games really engaging for an extended period of time.

It annoys me when people try to credit the Wii for reinventing simpler gaming. Perhaps the only way this can be argued is in the sense of introducing games to non-gamers. But it's library essentially consists of a bunch of simple games (the type that are already made on Flash, a dime a dozen) *without* the difficulty of previous era's, and stuck the controller gimmick in to 'make things interesting'. Arguably this philosophy has even filtered into the big franchises.. but going off the tangent; Ben, have you played retro games recently? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how well they've held up over time.

@Fabi: games are obviously serving the purpose of being fun.. I don't know about you, but my standards for a 'fun game' evolve over time, as the industry develops.. I don't want the same gameplay/technicals of 10 or 20 years ago, I'm unimpressed by banality as I assume most gamers are. As far as I'm concerned the Wii offers the best of *no* worlds whatsoever, and Nintendo are apparently hellbent on only going further in that direction.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 5:15:53 PM

Hey Fabi,

The Wii isn't fun.

Hey, looks like I CAN tell you that.

-Arvis

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superjew
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 @ 1:16:50 PM
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I don't so much care about the Wii, I Can't believe you don't at least own an N64 or a GC. I got a GC for $40 with a free used game of my choice over a year ago I think. It's definitely worth that much anyway.

And whoever called it a fad, it isn't a fad. In order to be a fad it'd have to only be insanely popular for a short amount of time, and don't look now, but it's been 2 or 3 years.

What pisses me off about the Wii is it has so much potential for awesome, simple games. Swordfighting games, sports games more sophisticated than Wii sports. Tennis would be awesome on the Wii if done right.

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stefanolio
Thursday, December 25, 2008 @ 2:54:40 AM
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guys i love how we could all fight about this but i honestly think Wii COULD have been for gamers unless nintendo drove a parallel path that sony/m$ did. giving it a better proccesor and better graphics, possibly a HD could have made it so much better. sure games will be different but most of our loved characters would all look/play better. nobody likes choppy games

and if you really think about it, microsoft ruined the whole game competition with sony and nintendo.
i have owned all these systems for 10 years now from each company (yes i do own a nintendo dolphin)
but i have to say M$ is a real effing obstacle that stole all the competition

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Gamer46
Thursday, December 25, 2008 @ 2:56:11 AM
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I agree and disagree with the article. I disagree that the Wii isn't for gamers, it has its fair share of 'gamer' games. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, No More Heroes, Resident Evil 4, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, to name a few. Next year The Conduit, Punch-Out!!, MadWorld, No More Heroes 2 and possibly a new Zelda game come along. That's in addition to the being fully backwards compatible with the GC and offering a great list of classics for multiple old-school consoles through the Virtual Console. WiiWare has some cool stuff too.

That said, I'd certainly agree that the Wii itself isn't enough to satisfy what you could call the 'core' gamer. My Xbox360 and PS3 definitely get a lot more use than the Wii. But all serve their purpose.

Also some of the comments here about MS surprise me. I certainly can understand why one would choose the Playstation (or Nintendo brand) over another but I don't think MS has ruined anything. In fact, I think the 360 and PS3 battle is the best one since SNES vs. Genesis.

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stefanolio
Thursday, December 25, 2008 @ 2:59:18 AM
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Also an exeption for all wii-only owners
If you modded your wii and custimized it to make it look cool. yes you a are a real gamer but i want to understand why people wat to sound all geeky like we already are.

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dveisalive
Thursday, December 25, 2008 @ 8:00:22 AM
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Hey BEN you know you play that Mario Galaxy behind closed doors at night time! LMAOL! Im just joking!

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stefanolio
Thursday, December 25, 2008 @ 9:51:49 PM
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@gamer64
true thing man but the problem was that there were so many dissadvantages in the xbox competition. and yes the snes and genisis war was good. i loved it but everybody knew sega was not gonna win.
i dont hate M$ at all but i dislike the fact that they bring out a system that was inperfect.
also another thing. the n64 and playstation battle was humongoid so im not too sure growing up with the genesis and snes was too cool.

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