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Another Anti-PS3 Argument Dies

The arguments leveled against Sony's PlayStation 3 when it first launched in late 2006 were both numerous and legitimate. Lack of software - a common refrain at the start of every new generation - led the charge, but the price tag concern wasn't too far behind.

Then, not much later, we started to see the unfortunate trend of piss-poor 360-to-PS3 ports. The reason for this was simple: developers weren't used to the PS3's complex new architecture and in stark contrast, they had a firm grasp of the year-old Xbox 360. Therefore, we end up with inferior PS3 versions of games like The Orange Box and F.E.A.R., among others. It wasn't long before this caught on and the mainstream buying public would issue two arguments- 1. the PS3 has no games (which we've already laid to rest), and 2. the PS3 version is always worse than the 360 version. Yep, it's time to drop the hammer on that latter argument, too, because it hasn't been true for most of 2008 and won't be true ever again in the future. In fact, many third-party developers are using the PS3 as the lead platform in the software production process, and if they're not, they're at least developing a project simultaneously for the PS3 and 360. We see examples of this at every turn, and for the biggest multi-platform releases of 2008, it's clear that things have changed.

Grand Theft Auto IV was basically identical on both the PS3 and 360 (don't listen to the Xbots who say the PS3 version is inferior; we've seen and played both and it's not true), and the same goes for games like Devil May Cry 4, Soul Calibur IV, Rock Band 2, Guitar Hero: World Tour, Call of Duty: World at War, Fallout 3, Mirror's Edge, Need for Speed Undercover, Far Cry 2, etc. There may be small differences in certain cases, but they're hardly the significant - and sometimes crippling - differences from the past, and sometimes, the PS3 version is actually better. And as time goes on, developers will become more and more comfortable with the PS3 hardware, and it's quite likely that the 360 versions of games will begin to bow to the PS3 versions. At the very least, the PS3 exclusives will kick the crap out of the 360 exclusives...well, it's a guarantee for 2009, at least.  Now, there may be a few lingering instances of the PS3 version of a multiplat failing to pass muster - I'm sure everyone can list an example or two in the second half of 2008 - but the point is that it's most certainly dying out, if it's not entirely dead already.

So while there are still arguments against the PS3, as there are for any console, this one particular argument is now on its deathbed, if it hasn't flatlined already. PS3 versions of multiplatform games are almost never significantly inferior anymore, and that's that. You can still complain about the price, the debatable lacking in PlayStation Home, or whatever, but "PS3 has no games" and "PS3 versions of multiplats are always worse" are two statements that are, as of now, 100% false.

12/29/2008 Ben Dutka

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Comments (232 posts)

King James
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 12:54:12 PM
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Now if we can only kill the "PS3 is a Blu-Ray Player" argument...we'll be straight.

And I don't care what anybody says. The Xbox360 had no games for the 1st year as well.

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:49:04 PM

exactly! if u look at the amount of games xbox had for their first year, and the amount of games ps3 had for their first year. the amount of games on the store shelf was almost identical.

but ppl seem to look at the amount of games xbox has for 3 years. and the amount of games ps3 has for 2 years. than compare. idiots and haters.

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Scarecrow
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 2:49:47 PM

Actually I like that "ps3 is a blu-ray player" thing.

The very same thing was said 'bout the ps2.

Fine buy it to play movies, eventually you'll be buying all its games.

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amillie
Saturday, January 03, 2009 @ 11:21:44 AM

kreate is 100% correct.

GTA 5 is going to be PS3 exclusive because GTA 4 was toned down both in size and gameplay to fit onto a DVD disk and thus wasn't as spectacular as it could have been.

Xbox 360 fanboys thought that their console was getting some special love from Rockstar because of the 'episodes' pack, but what they don't know is that these 'episodes' will cost a price, which, as of yet is unknown, at least to the public and the episodes are just bits cut out of the original game.

Rockstar are QUIDS IN with GTA 4. It could of all fit on the Blu Ray disk but they signed the deal with M$ so that they were exclusive to M$. M$ paid $50 million for them.

Rockstar truely, royally screwed Microsoft out of that money because it's just bits cut out of the game.

And may i also add; DVD is showing its age now Blu Ray has surfaced.

And before you think i'm a Ps3 fanboy, i'm not. I actually own an Xbox 360. I do hope to purchase a PS3 for the simple facts;

1) built in Blu Ray player and plays alot more files e.g various AVI encoded files. 360 plays SOME but not all, whereas the PS3 seems to have alot more codecs built into the software.
2) FREE INTERNET!!! (The 360's Live really isn't that much better to make me want to spend £40 ($80) a year on).
3) Most of my friends are now moving from Xbox 360's to PS3's, since the PS3 lineup is looking fantastic and the 360's is a little pale in comparison.

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Mornelithe
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:00:52 PM
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@ King James - You're correct, the only games avail on the 360 at launch were things that could be found on PC or the PS2.


Morne

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King James
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:06:05 PM

Call of Duty 2 and uh...Condemned ...and...uh...Need of Speed: Most Wanted (although, it came out a couple of months later)...and uh...I can't remember...oh and that horrible Madden 06 game.

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crapreviews
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:04:51 PM
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Well actually shouldn't it now be mutiplat games are worse on xbox 360, since almost all devs are now making games on PS3 first?

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:50:54 PM

i heard rumors that gta4 was watered down a little bit so the game can fit and played on a xbox as well as a ps3.

but with gta5, they want to release it only on ps3 becuz xbox doesnt meet the hardware capability.

its a rumor. any of u guys know if this is true?

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MetalHead09
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 3:19:25 PM

first ive heard if it but it does sound reasonable.

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Riku994
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:05:24 PM
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Ben you keep saying Soul Calibur 3, it was Soul Calibubr 4 lol.

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crapreviews
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:07:38 PM

lol i've noticed that myself in a few of this posts. Too much egg nog i guess lol

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crapreviews
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:07:08 PM
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Oh yeah Ben i've notice in a few posts where you mention Soul Calibur you keep saying Soul Calibur III. Don't you mean Soul Calibur IV?

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FLYING_APE
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:32:55 PM

no he means soul caliber 2

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Naga
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:08:51 PM
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The PS3 has no games had kinda backfired against xbots how many (what how many exclusives in 2009? 3? 3!) but it's great that developers are finally understanding the architecture of Playstation 3 no more poor EA games hopefully

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:53:46 PM

its also becuz multiplatform games sell more on the ps3 than xbox.

i wonder if the xbox720 would have complex architecture. no optical drive?

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Sir Shak
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:16:33 PM
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i hope final fantasy XIII would shut some people up .

off topic : ben have you heard the recent rumours about two secret sony exclusives (tears for blood and silhouette ) ? one of them is supposed to be the game that bbc reporter was talking about .

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eLLeJuss
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 6:36:34 PM

ZoMG! is that true? ima research about that

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MirrorSoul
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:59:58 PM

I actually heard that, get this.....Remember Eight Days by London Studios that was cancelled. Well they say they took all the sleek animations from it, revamped them and put them into one of those secret unannounced games and also added an online mode.....jus what I heard

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jlch777
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:19:23 PM
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i hope codemasters use the ps3 as the lead platform for dirt 2 because grid looks much better on X360( i have both versions and the 4xmsaa makes the difference).

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DB6
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:21:06 PM
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Thank You!!!

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FLYING_APE
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:32:09 PM

your welcome

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FLYING_APE
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:31:56 PM
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Ben is a a fanboy na-na-na-na-na-la-la-la.

your article wasn't well written and read like something from a 12 year old kid on the gt forums.

freedom of speech n all :)

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King James
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:37:23 PM

lol. U ok, ape?

U sound real high school English teacher?

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:54:46 PM

ben sounds a lot better than flying ape.
and u are also a fanboy.

Last edited by kreate on 12/29/2008 1:56:31 PM

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Scarecrow
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 2:51:58 PM

@Flying thingy,

You're probably high today.

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FLYING_APE
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 4:51:39 PM

I know ben, arnold and the psxextreme team are not fanboy's it was a joke ore somethin lol.

I'M A PLAYSTATION FANBOY but i do own an xbox aswell.

I read crap like this all the time on gt forums all the time. i know no one will miss my comments and i don't have to be here.

just ignore me and i will go away but work is as boring as f**k sometimes

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BooyakaBerger
Sunday, January 04, 2009 @ 6:23:51 PM

i like how when i subscribed to the news email... i dunno half a year or so ago... i see people arguing with no one, and the minute someone has something negative to say about the ps3 (or in this case an article defending the ps3), everyone points and yells "no YOUR a fanboy!"

id also like to note the dood didnt even say anything about the ps3... just the article... so no fanboy fingers can be pointed really

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whooka
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:49:04 PM
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While I'm clueless about any type of game development it appears to me that the hardware that comprises the Xbox360 is pretty much similiar (or the same as) to PC hardware, which would make sense from an MS perspective and also means developers would find it cake to work with. The PS3 having it's own guts obviously represents a learning curve for developers but it's starting to appear as though they are getting less lazy and actually starting to LEARN the PS3 development stuff, which is sorely needed as otherwise the bulk of these Xbox360-->PS3 ports are running off code never originally intended to take advantage of the PS3s awesome (yes, awesome!) power. That's not fair to consumers as well so they shouldn't whine about poor sales on some of these less then stellar ports. By this time next year they'll have no excuse.

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Deleted User
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 1:50:15 PM
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Great. Another Xbox bash fest from the 3rd stringers.

I agree both play well on both systems. Its hardly the case Sony promised before it came out..

Anyone else remember "wait till PS3 for REAL next gen graphics". Yeah w/e Sony.

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Jordahn
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 2:06:59 PM

Wow. The PS3 userbase has 3rd stringers. Then they must have some really awesome 1st and 2nd stringers...

Oh, and I've yet to see anything as graphically nice on the 360 such as LBP, MGS4, and Uncharted.

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Deleted User
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 2:17:03 PM

And I never seen anything look like Halo 2 or Forza on Xbox. But PS2 is still better right?

Double standards FTW..

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King James
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 4:45:09 PM

Josh, R u doing that on purpose now?

I remember when I first saw u here. U sounded like an intelligent gamer w/ a favor towards the XBox. But recently, u've been sounding real xbot-ish. Why? No one said anything bad about ur Box until u start talking reckless.

What's up wit that?

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FLYING_APE
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 5:02:27 PM

haha my evil plan worked FIGHT FIGHT HAHAHA

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Fane1024
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 5:26:36 PM

Joshua starting to douche it up again. /sigh/

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GamerKid123
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:40:55 AM

What, why did you bring the PS2 in to it? And yes, if you compare the two, PS3 exclusives ARE graphically superior to the Eggbox (what my m8 with 360 calls them) exclusives.

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MadPowerBomber
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:45:48 PM

And I never seen anything look like Halo 2 or Forza on Xbox. But PS2 is still better right?

Dude, Halo 2 was ugly. Sure it looked shiny and everything, but the animation for the game was horrible. I don't care how "pretty" your graphics look on whatever console you play, if your characters look like something that came out of Jim Hensen's studio, the game is a visual let down. Halo 2 was a poorly written and horribly animated game from the ground up. Shiny armor has nothing on the animated facial expressions from a game like Tekken 5. Sorry. Suspension of disbelief and all that.

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 2:00:44 PM
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xbox360 is on a road downhill anyway.
what more can xbox360 do? according to analyst, the next xbox is coming out by 2010. which means the 360 is already maxing out the hardware capability.

i wonder why its ok for xbox ppl to talk crap but wrong for ps3 ppl to talk crap. do ppl expect to go xbox fan sites and see them praise the ps3?

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Deleted User
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 2:05:48 PM

The 360 is over 3 years old. MS just moves at a faster pace.

They are not maxing out the hardware yet. But even if thats true who really cares. I mean if the 360s graphics arnt good enough for you I feel pity.

Im just wandering if the next one will use disks, bluray, or DVD. What do you guys think?

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Bugzbunny109
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 2:56:49 PM

xbox 720 will most likely use blu ray.

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MetalHead09
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 3:31:50 PM

i dont think it will use blu ray. dont sony have their teeth in blu ray? maybe microcrap should put some actual effort into a console and develope something truely new like sony did instead of useing already existant technology and call it new and next gen.

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Bugzbunny109
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:02:15 AM

@ MetalHead08

I hope you know Sony does not own Blu ray.

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MetalHead09
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:26:44 AM

thats why i asked if they had their teeth in blu ray because i wasnt sure.

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somethingrandom
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 1:01:57 AM

@ kreate

It's wrong for either side to talk crap

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 2:54:48 PM
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Josh, if you derail this thread - as you've already done so many others - you're gone.

I'm pretty sick of your double standard of "I'm not a Xbox fanboy, really!" and then suffering your INANE comments whenever the 360 is brought into question. Furthermore, that's not even the point of this article; it's PS3-focused.

Last warning.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 12/29/2008 2:55:03 PM

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 3:52:47 PM

xbox lovers can go to war with me on youtube. dont come to psxextreme and complain.
i dont go to xbox fan sites and complain either.

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ps92117
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 4:08:24 PM

i am sry karate but plz dont invite xbots to youtube or they will be saying "mag rhymes with lag" , "versus is for both consel " n "kz2 is just another fps" . if u want war invite them to ur own page they f anoyed me all the time

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 4:42:21 PM

Ok to be fair. All you guys that continue to respond to it isn't helping. The guys that decided to argue the point into oblivion on the Kojima story are just as guilty in my opinion.

I've been many a place on the internet. But never have I been closer to pure stupidity then when I have read YouTube comments. What is it about that site that inspires such utter morons to type out some inane response?

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 10:31:16 PM

uh.. mr moderator. maybe i am misunderstanding u, u can call me stupid,

but i dont want to sit here on a ps3 fan site and get my @ss owned by any xbox lovers.
u can sit there and watch while i own the xbox lovers idotic claims about their 'indestructable' xbox360 which supposedly has the best graphics in the entire planet.

but since i dont want to be banned from this site. i will swallow my pride and read their comments without going into any wars.

its ok if xbox lovers bash us but its wrong if we bash them?

Last edited by kreate on 12/29/2008 10:35:52 PM

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:46:38 AM

It's not "wrong" for any of you to bash anyone. No one has been banned for bashing just for incessant slander. And you miss the point. PSX EXTREME IS NOT NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN A FAN SITE. It's a news site, that caters to a narrow audience. If they had the man-power Xbox Nerds would be updated just as often. But since it's just Ben, Arnold, and now John they decided to focus primarily on the more popular domain.

I simply hate the fact that people actually treat video games like it's a war. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FUN. Why do we have dissention among our own ranks? We're all gamers we all enjoy spending our free-time in a similar matter. Why do people care what system sells more? Why do people feel the need to spread hate on those that didn't buy a certain game? I don't get it.

Am I a PlayStation fan? yes. I mean I paid $600 dollars for a PS3 instead of half that for a 360, it's not like I flipped a coin. I love my PS3 to an extreme (IT'S A PUN!). But I'm not stupid it's consumer electronic not Jesus Christ. I understand it's pros and I understand it's cons. If I could afford to do nothing other than play games I'd have a 360 too. I made a rational decision to buy a PS3 as opposed to a 360. I don't see the point in spending 200+ dollars on a product that is almost guaranteed to break within 3 years. But if someone wants to more power to them. I simply hate... unjust hate. (read that last sentence and try to make sense of it I dare you). I don't see any reason to be a loyal drone to ANY corporation. They exist for the sole purpose to take your money.

As far as I can tell I'm fair and state the facts as I see them. I see the pros and cons of both Xbox and PlayStation. In the end opinions tend to stear towards the pro playstation side (maybe that's why I bought it?). If that makes me a fanboy then I guess that particular word's definition is so far gone that we need to start using a new one. How about guava? I like that word. It's funny sounding. I don't think we get to use it nearly enough.

"Fanboy is a term used to describe any individual who is devoted to a single subject in an emotional or fanatical manner, or to a single point of view within that subject, often to the point where it is considered an obsession." (wikipedia's definition)

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:05:45 AM

shadow, we understand this is a news site that gives information and news that caters to the 'narrow' audience. that 'narrow' audience are fans of the ps3.

without us 'fanboys' or 'guavas', yr site is just another site with 1 xbox guy with multiple accounts commenting against u guys.

indirectly, this site has became a fansite. and u guys are also 'guavas' of the ps3. thats why u guys chose to follow up on the ps3 news than the xbox news.

if u guys are not 'bias', than there should be equal amount of news about the ps3 as well as the xbox. also there is no such thing as
'i am unbias'. everyone is bias to a certain extent.

when i mention 'fanboy' u should know what i am talking about. we dont need a wikipedia version.

and the thing about u not understanding why ppl
"treat video games like it's a war"

thats like saying u dont understand why countries go to war with each other. there always has been, currently warring, and we will always war between consoles. its inevitable. u should know that.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:20:02 AM

"Feel free to read my response above Kreate. Don't be afraid to disagree with me. I love a fun debate"

was the last comment u posted in this article.
i know u are sitting in front of yr computer reading my comments 2,3, and a 4x over. and dont give me no excuse that u got distracted by someone(maybe gf) or something.

but becuz u are replying so late in what u call a 'debate' i am going to bed. good nights.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:56:23 AM

Those were actually meant to be two seperate thoughts. I thought I hit return after the first sentence (it looked right in the box.)

After that though. What are you even trying to say? Why am I distracted?

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somethingrandom
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 1:09:34 AM

@ssshadow
Corporations aren't just there to take your money, and I hope you don't believe so. The only group that continually takes your money for NO good reason is the government. Every time the government uses your money for something you don't want, that is THEFT.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 8:51:28 PM

ANARCHY! I love it.

But no the government does provide vital services like police, fire departments, military, water, roads, etc. However the only things corporations exist to do is make money. That is their sole purpose in life. Occassionally they'll make a donation to charity but that's just to make you like them and then buy their products. And anything they create or invent was only made to get your money. Anything that helps the world is simply incedental.

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xtreme
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 3:03:39 PM
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Well I don't own a ps3 but I own a 360, howeever i'm not on this site for the same reason mr xbox 360 fan boy is here. I own a 360 I had to buy the wireless adapter, the Live subsription and for what? I don't like fable 2 because I'm not a rpg person, Halo series is shi* Sorry if you don't like me saying that but its just your usual fps. There's no difference and gears 2 was actually a slight let down for me, granted the single player kicked ass but have you tryed that match making service? SHI*. I love how the xbox 360 fanboys like to pick holes at things sony do wrong but have you ever stoped to look at your own console and how much you've spent on it just to get it to operate like you want? I added up all My brother spent on his xbox 360. He could have got a ps3 and a couple of games for the same price. and he would have had all the stuff he had to pay for already included out of the box. Yeah the 360's 3 years old,but no microsoft don't move quicker they have just found that 360 is no longer fit to hold compotition anymore and so they need to bring a new console out. Granted 360's graphics are nice. But thats totaly smashed when you look at the ps3's. what have microsoft delivered this year? the NXE? ha! is all I can say, ooh they added the miis from nintendo and they tweaked the UI. they have had what 3? exclusives this year? 360's dieing in my books you better hope they step it up next year or I can see 360 sales dieing out pretty quickly. There's only so long you can brain wash yourself into thinking your geting what you payed for.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 3:09:46 PM
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Josh got served.
Ape got high.
360 got owned.

The Benstropolis Benster was just saying that xbots and gamestop-working fanboys can't be using that excuse anymore. And I concur. You don't have to be a genius or an analyst to see which system is on the rise and which is beginning to decay.

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 3:51:07 PM

lol worldends

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Deleted User
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:05:03 PM

Xbox sales are up..Sony sales are down..What are you trying to say exactly?

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 10:25:03 PM

xbox sales: 23 mil
ps3 sales: 17 mil

average yearly sales of the xbox: 7.6
average yearly sales of the ps3: 8.5

uh.. i think ps3 owns xbox even in sales?

xbox360 launched fall of 2005
ps3 launched fall of 2006
today is 2008

Last edited by kreate on 12/29/2008 10:26:54 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:30:59 AM

@ Josh, S'got nothing to do with sales, it's got to do with the console's future capabilities.

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 12/30/2008 1:31:42 AM

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Deleted User
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:21:54 PM

Im talking about this month.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 4:49:42 PM

Well you could argue that 360 does have better graphics. GoW2 looks amazing. In multiplat games the 360 version tends to have slightly higher quality textures and a longer draw distance. It still exists because it can still be argued.

What the flying f*** does history have to do with this? If we learned anything from the PS3's pre-launch and first year it's that Sony took their glorious history and pissed all over it. They were arogant, thought they were untouchable. They said "next gen starts when we say it does" "rumble is a last gen feature" etc. The PS3 didn't start to turn itself around until Sony finally tucked its tale between its legs and started to WORK for fan support. Their history is just that. History. Their present is the only thing that matters. They are in a decent position to control the latter half of this market cycle. (what with the more reliable hardware and better future proofing.) But it won't be history that determines if they succeed it will be the decisions they make TODAY.

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 6:30:06 PM

i would have to agree with shadow on this. but did u know microsoft is even more aggrogant than sony? they are, is, and always will be.

sony at least tries hard to meet the demands of the fans. sony didnt know fans were going to be upset about the rumble issue. so when we complained, they listened.

but what about microsoft? according to lawsuit files and ex-micro employees, stated and confirmed that microsoft knew about their xbox flaws even before it was launched. but micro launched the system anyway so fans can suffer, and micro can make their millions on top of their billions they already have.

so who is better as far as arrogance and meeting fan's demands?

has microosft fixed the issue? will microsoft ever going to fix the issue?

shadow is right about sony. but i am also right about microsoft.

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Deleted User
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:00:39 PM

I agree with your points.

But MS HAD to be first..at any cost to gain ground on the PS3. They knew this..and thats why they did it.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 5:45:35 AM

1 game doesn't prove a point. MGS4 is the best looking game this generation hands down. But there are 100 other so-so games out there. until a lot more games start to look like that, PS3 vs. 360 graphics is still an arguable point. A stupid point to argue because it's all opinion and personal taste, but an arguable point none the less.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 5:49:26 PM

In all honesty none of us know the capabilities of either console right now. I mean who the hell would have thought the PS2 was capable of something as beatiful as God of War 2 or FFXII? I can only make my judgments based on what is out there right now. MGS4 was made by a psychotic perfectionist (I promise it's a term of endearment) can we really assume that standard developers will be able to replicate that? Right now games generally look the same across both platforms, so until there is a clear advantage somewhere people will argue this stupid thing until someone passes out.

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somethingrandom
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 1:12:36 AM

I agree with you shadow, God of War 2 does look amazing. You said it's on 360? Since when?

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 8:56:12 PM

I never said that i said, "who the hell would have thought the PS2 was capable of something as beatiful as God of War 2 or FFXII?" lol. Me thinks you read too fast.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 6:19:20 AM

I guess my point is that as far as I'm concerned this whole thing is mute until there is solid evidence. And right now, I don't believe I have that evidence.

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smileys_007
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 3:38:20 PM
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haha! Ben always gets irritated by Josh, they really are buddies.

I think multiplatform games looks good on both the PS3 and 360 with the ps3 ports having a little advantage because it uses blu-ray disc on games.

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Deleted User
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 8:56:19 PM

Hes my best friend.;)

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gunnar2906
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 3:38:57 PM
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Absolutely areewith article
Russian PS3 fans with you

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Xanavi23
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 3:53:04 PM
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Once again, the usual Fanboys show up. Hey Josh....my brother had a 360..i played Forza 2 and GT4 almost beat it in terms of graphics...Forza 2 was only a mild step up from 1.

Halo 3 although having a great story, game mode too is BARELY step-up from Halo 2...bear in mind i owned Xbox1 and Halo 2 and loved the game...so 3 was a dud largely.

M$ wanted to be cheap and build a corresponding cheap system...and it shows everytime, even to Xbox owners who aren't brainwashed like you or Crapping Ape. You'lll never get the picture and all you can do is spew lies to make yourself feel better.
I know your kind because a couple years ago i used to enjoy being the best/worst kind of Hater fit to attend the Playa Haters ball so i know how your pretty little heads work my man. Lies of a brainwashed gentleman.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 4:23:36 PM

"That's a nice coat Silky Johnson."

"-Thanks, it's made out of your Mother's pubic hair"

LoL at Chappelle's Player Hater's Ball.

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FLYING_APE
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 4:57:12 PM

wow your a brain washed yourself LOL and ask anyone here im a big ps3 fanman. Your what i call a [insert insult here]

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Xanavi23
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 5:08:53 PM

No, im not a fanboy, because i would want to buy a 360 for Fable 2 and so i can LEARN more of the story to Halo 3. However while i appreciate some aspects of the system and those games...me saying that the 360 is technologically on par would be a bald faced LIE. Im not saying that the 360 games couldn't look better, they could but if you wish to use BOTH systems to the absolute limit...the PS3 will invariably have a slight visual edge. I can't even talk about what the PS3s processor is truly capable of.

I will genuinely apologize though, i shouldn't have grouped you with the other fanboy just for making one comment. Don't know you well enough. Im sorry. PS: You can call me a Douche bag or whatever the like, i've got much bigger fish to fry.

PSS. World ends with me..."Now you must excuse me, i got to get home and put some water in BuckNastys Moms Water bowl..."
Hahahaha, seriously best skit on the show.

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Deleted User
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:03:10 PM

Its got much better visuals?

And I got a joke for you. Im gonna tear you a new asshole.;)

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Xanavi23
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:06:42 PM

Ya, it does have better visuals. I've noticed it with ports, i've noticed it exclusives, you name it. 360 doesn't look bad because its still a next gen system, but like i said, to say PS3 doesn't have better visuals is just a lie. Notice how i said PS3 would have SLIGHT edge in graphics. The PS3s greatest strength ISN'T visuals despite the SLIGHT edge ;)

As for your threat, whether you mean with Internet flaming, that's pathetic. If you would hack me, or otherwise extend your threat to real life that would be even more pathetic.
"Tear me a new asshole"...Lol, whatever man, ultimitely its just video gaming, get over it.

Secondly, the lines in quotes have nothing to do with you. I was referening Chappelles, Playa haters ball quotes because not many appreciate how hilarious that skit was.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:56:27 PM

lol

Dude that wasn't a threat? Haven't you ever seen Fullmetaljacket? Its a qoute from the guy in your avatar.

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ps92117
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 3:58:39 PM
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i don't want equal versions i want the ps3 to b better , after all where is da 2 teraflops and 50 gb come in ,da it is equal means that they r still not focusing enough on the ps3 , i don't care if they relase 10 dvd in 360 version just don't allow the ps3 version to suffer

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fallingdove
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 4:32:59 PM

Multi-platform games will always be very similar. Both Sony and Microsoft have multiplatform clauses that basically state that a if a publisher makes the other platform version better, the publisher will loose co-marketing support and other incentives.

I just want exclusives to blow everything else out of the water.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 4:39:56 PM

Apparently there is no clause for sucky ports, so the 360 FFXIII might still blow a goat's sweaty balls.

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Joe_III
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 4:40:21 PM
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while it might be false for the most part, it is still kind of true because at this point most devs still use the 360 as the lead console and that means that testing isn't as thorough on the PS3 version and it needs patches shortly after release. This has happened with a lot of games.

Plus, at this point most consumers are already trained to default to buying the 360 version. I know I rarely even check to see which one is going to be "better".

And -- I have to say this, not threadjacking -- the 360 controller is way better.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 4:46:37 PM

No, they don't. In 2009, most devs are NOT using the 360 as the lead platform for all major titles. Like I said in the article, they're either leading on the PS3 or developing them simultaneously on both platforms.

And no.....it's not. ;)

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 4:57:57 PM

Not even a little bit. One of Sony's greatest accomplishments is coming up with such a great controller design so early in their console making lifetime.

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FLYING_APE
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 5:05:30 PM

the controller need some minor adjustment like better quality analog sticks and more responsive buttons. Can you say WANK CLAW lol

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ec0li
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:51:36 PM

It looks like at least in 2009 there will be some kind of parity between mulitplatform games as many of the 3rd parties are already promising equal development resources on both PS3 and 360. We will just have to wait and see I guess. There's no question though that most of the multiplatform games before 2009 were better on 360.

The controllers are a toss up for me. I like tha analog sticks for 360 better but I like the PS3'ss dpad better. I find the PS3's analog sticks a little too loose specifically for shooters and makes it harder to aim. The 360's dpads are unresponsive specifically for fighting games.

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MetalHead09
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:35:11 AM

sonys controller is the best and the button response works fine for me. its safe to say that i dont die because my buttons dont do anything when i tell them to and im still on my first controller. the anolog sticks are loose sure but its not like you cant adjust to it within like 2 minutes.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 5:51:03 PM

I don't think that is true. I believe Sony was the first to have analog buttons and I think theirs are still the best but I'm pretty positive 360 has pressure sensitive buttons as well.

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Frenchy17
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 4:45:42 PM
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That is threadjacking and the 360 controller blows a goat's sweaty balls!!!!

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dveisalive
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 5:08:21 PM
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Wow i just find it crazy to how 360 guys just ruin a debate or statement that says PS3 has games etc and this turns into a fanboy fight LMAOL! maybee i should go to all of the 360 sites(if there are any?) and just bash them, so I can just say that 360 is just old news! Anyways PS3 2009 is going to have even more games and way more exclusives! I cant wait!

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dveisalive
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 5:13:00 PM
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Oh yeah i would love to see this topic on gametrailers LOL! they would say that Ps3 has no games for real ! LOL! they are just so biased also. Is it me or so they always scale down the Ps3-360 comparisons to make it seem that the Ps3's graphics are blurrier, not true! I heard that because of this, this was making certain games of Ps3 not sell well etc.. but it is just so wrong!

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MetalHead09
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:39:53 AM

i was on gametrialers today and watched an episode of the bonus round and yes they are totally biased and stupid, they said sony did a diesant job in 08????? WTF are they stupid, thats like saying resistance2 and mgs4 are only diesant jobs. sony really needs to start campaigning their system or something and get people to see how crappy the 360 is in comparison.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:49:15 AM

I love the Bonus Round they never seemed particularly biased to me. Decent is probably the perfect word to describe Sony's year. They outsold Xbox for almost the entire first half of the year but got demolished in latter half.

The games they produced sold well but nothing spectacular. They didn't make MGS4 so they're not profiting much from it. Resistance 2 didn't sell as well as they hoped (and I personally think it's less than great). LittleBigPlanet didn't attract new customers the way Sony had hoped.

They had a decent year.

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Xanavi23
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 9:22:07 AM

Sorry Shadow, i got Resistance 2...and i have to say its great. Very good story, very fun on Difficult and Superhuman...and it doesn't feel like a chore even on Superhuman. I haven't even touched online yet. Though i'll agree it didn't sell as well as they thought.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 5:58:36 PM

I don't know it just felt to me like they destroyed everything (story wise) that I like about Resistance: FoM. I feel like they made R2 to simply open the universe up to a bazillion different sequels without really advancing the story at all. (There is a thread where we were talking about this in the forums, i don't want to put too many spoilers out here.) Gameplay wise the single player was fun, if not a tad bit predictable at points. And I love the Co-op campaign. However, the competitive multi-player is absolute trash in my opinion. I don't think some of the choices and changes they made really compliment the game.

I was a huge fan of R:FoM multiplayer. Played for more than six months. I was really hoping for a new take on the same mechanics, unfortunately Insomniac decided to make the game similar to Socom or Rainbow Six with the way you get new weapons. I just don't think that the whole: die, get any weapon you want, repeat; thing works for Resistance. I would have preferred them to keep the old Unreal-style system or made the competitive class based like the co-op or like Team Fortress.

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Xanavi23
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 4:31:51 PM

I hear what you mean about the Story, it did change from a sort of close to reality fiction shooter to something more fictitious, though i still find it great. I don't know what to say, i think i can enjoy the game either way.

It did get opened up vastly, though i find Insomniac goes way more into detail for the story by way of Intel. I love the intel readings, but for most players they'll wanna SEE the story as it is still a game.

I'll have to see Online before i can talk as like you, i LOVED R1 resistances online, the way it felt and moved and everything else about it truth be told.

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TEG3SH
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 5:57:16 PM
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seriously i dont know why x-bots love to come to this site, I DUNNO IF U X-BOTS(josh) ARE WAY TOO STUPID TO FIGURE IT OUT
IT'S A PS3 DEDICATED SIE
but i guess i have a theory this site is blue ,and flies love their blue ,so thats why the hang around here, come closer x-bots and u will burn bit*ches.
@ the worlds end Chappelle rules

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Deleted User
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 8:54:41 PM

Please learn grammar before calling people stupid..*facepalm*

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aaronisbla
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 10:45:56 PM

grammar policing is always used as a last resort, come up with a better retort

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 10:51:42 PM

sorry our microsoft word is not working today. we cant use our grammar check. but we figure u get the point.

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ec0li
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 6:03:00 PM
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I'm a 360 fan so ya'll can pretty much say I'm an xbot. I think I'm a somewhat fair xbot though. In the end you can't stop people coming to the site and posting, fan or no fan.

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TEG3SH
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 6:05:43 PM
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dude if ur a fair xbox fan then ur not an X-BOT, most of the posters here have an xbox , x-bot=troll

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Dante399
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 6:49:08 PM
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@Ben

on another issue (idea for a new topic)
I'm just wondering if Microsoft did the same with their Xbox720....I mean release it early even with weak machine power or whatsoever problem that may be...will PS4 and its fans suffer the same as they did with PS3(like weak ports and whatnot)? Or Sony has learned their lesson and they already have a plan for the future?

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:40:41 PM

The crappy ports was a problem for two main reasons.
Sony took a major risk with the cell. Something nobody had ever developed for before. It takes everything a person knows about programming and turns it on its side.
And Companies thought that they could just throw a game out on this new platform and expect good results.

Those developers however have learned how to make games work with the cell now though. And it seems like everyday they're starting to do wonders with the new technology. Companies are also wising up and have realized that there is no good way quickly and successfully porting a game to PS3.

I hope that Sony hasn't "learned its lesson" they took a risk. And while the risk undoubtedly hurt them in the short term its looking more and more like the PS3 is designed for the long haul and the 360 is going to need a severe makeover, if not a successor, relatively soon.

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 10:41:42 PM

ps3 is strong enough to compete against a xbox720. dont worry about it.

we'll see bad ports on the xbox720 with the ps3 being the lead platform for developers.

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GamerKid123
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:55:23 AM

Dante, rumor has it they are already devolping the PS4, don't believe it tho.

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Dante399
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:35:34 PM

I see guys what're aiming at....the Xbox720 and Nintendo (nextgen) will still be competing against the PS3 and it's Blu-ray discs while Sony is preparing for the BIG blow (the PS4) to wipe out all competition and to remain as the winner of this heated console war.

Sounds logical to me :)

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:03:20 PM

Companies are always developing new things. Sony is without a doubt working on stuff for a new PlayStation, no telling whether anything being created right now will actually make it into any retail project but Sony, MS, Nintendo, everybody, is working on new stuff.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 6:56:06 PM
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OH MY GOD! one person said something derogatory about TEH GLOREUS PS3 SYSTM! THE THREAD HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER! THE XBOTS ARE AMONG US!

Complaining about people who don't acutally exist in this thread is thread jacking spam just the same as someone being an annoying xbox fanboy. And if you absolutely must post off topic nonsence about how there are so many xbots here (1? maybe?) is it too much to ask for at least proper grammar? Getting extremely defensive every time a pro xbox comment pops up is actually more annoying then the fanboys. Let's pride ourselves in not stooping to their level. Unless something absolutely needs this kind of response (which so far, nothing here has) be the bigger man and ignore it. Or else we all look just as biased as anyone else.

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LCF
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 8:01:49 PM

Shadow in my professional opinion,you should not be a moderator for this site.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:24:53 PM

Can I at least get a reason why? Is it the hair? It's the hair isn't it?

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ec0li
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:55:33 PM

@LCF

Sorry but I'm curious. Now that we've heard your "professional" opinion, can you give a reason for that opinion? Shadow did not seem like he was favoring any side and was calling out all the fanboys.

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LCF
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 10:31:52 PM

Its not meant to be a debate,its just my opinion.I'm not going to list the reasons in a open forum.Again it's my opinion.

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 10:45:25 PM

shadow, u are also a fanboy. be the bigger man and admit it. i read past articles with u making certain statements that support u being a fan of the ps3 than a xbox360. if u are not a fan. what are u doing here?

why is xboxnerds always outdated?
why do we have so many pro ps3 news here and nothing that glorifies the xbox?

tell us shadow. what is yr true stand?
i really thought this was a site for ps3. am i wrong?

and since u complain about us, can we complain about u?

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Xanavi23
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 11:03:25 PM

I'ld say onething about Shadow. As far as moderators go, they could be a hell of a lot worse. Even if he is a fanboy, which im not saying you are budd, he for whatever reason has been chosen by the powers that be to be a Mod. I doubt he's going anywhere...so might as well get used to it and just reply civily to any any of his posts and healthily disagree ;).

Like i said Shadow, i don't beleive you're a fanboy..this is just a general suggestion and observation.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:58:59 AM

Feel free to read my response above Kreate.

Don't be afraid to disagree with me. I love a fun debate. I've probably gotten more down-votes on my posts than just about anyone who comes here regularly. Go ahead and look I've never deleted or banned anyone for disagreeing with me, our differences are what makes this a fun community to be a part of.

I have an opinion and I'm going to share it. And for one reason or another it tends to go against the majority's view, maybe I'm a rebel (Viva La Resistance). People tend to dislike that. I get called an asshole to my face on at least a weekly basis. It happens.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:18:56 AM

shadow, if u are getting called a @sshole on a weekly basis, dont u think that maybe u really are an @sshole?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:37:18 AM

Shadow is a "Maverick".

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:48:00 AM

or a @sshole. he also claims himself to be a rebel. who is he rebelling against? and why does he want to be a rebel? whats up with that?

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:43:10 AM

The term asshole is used much too loosely I think. It's commonly used against me when I give an honest unfiltered opinion. If you ask me a question you get my honest answer not some PC nonsense that I made up to protect your feelings. Suffice it to say girls stopped asking me if "this sweater makes me look fat". (It does)

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Xanavi23
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 9:25:33 AM

You say Shadow has issues Kreate ? He replies politely and respectfully to your insults and you continue to insult him like a child...i wanna know what the hell is your problem and why you take an argument about VIDEO GAMES so seriously. I don't think shadow is an asshole....but im starting to think you are.
Learn some manners kid.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:38:43 PM

xanavi, u also have issues. and am i talking to u? what have i said to u?

i never aggravated shadow or challenged him on a 'debate'. shadow is the one challenged me.

and i am only debating. what insults have i made? he insulted himself and i am only agreeing with him.

i liked shadow, until he started to protect josh. shadow is riding the middle of the fence. he doesnt seem to be on our side (ps3 fans) and he lets josh bash us. but when we bash josh, shadow seems to have issues with us.

again, i dont know who u are (probably another fake account of josh) but if i have insulted u, than go ahead and insult me back for whatever the hell i said to u.

for whatever reason, i went ahead and made some fake accounts just to see what happens. im sure shadow would not believe me anyways cuz he doesnt believe josh has multiple accounts, so who cares?

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:41:35 PM

shadow, if u feel like i am going overboard on u, just let me know. what parts it is that i am going overboard.

but shadow, u also use bad language in some of yr comments as well. so i am only staying within the realms of the words u chose to say.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:03:51 PM

Shadow is just being fair. We all cant worship PS3.

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Xanavi23
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:28:20 PM

Lol, Kreate, you just proved your a joke. "Issues", lol, pathetic. Secondly, i don't care who you're talking to. You say something foolish on a public domain and i can reply in any respectful way i want, KID.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:13:05 PM

yr right xanavi23!
knock yrself out =)

but i think shadow has the brains and fingers to defend himself. thanks!

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:47:54 PM

Insulted? slightly. I've been called much worse in my time. Hate to say it Kreate, but I don't believe I have yet insulted you. It all works out though because the last couple things you have posted here have done more damage than any smart-a**, snide remark I could come up with.

I'm now hated because I defended someone? That I have to admit, even for me, is a new one. Also you are dissing me for not going along with your baseless accusations? You have now claimed that 2 people on this site are now just pretend names come up with by your enemy. What proof do you have? You know other than the fact that they hold a different opinion than you? None of these IPs match, none of them even use the same sentence structure!

Let's play this little game for minute then. Maybe I'm JoshAdam360 in disguise! I mean my first name is Josh, I have a brother named Adam, and there are TONS of proxy services based out of Las Vegas, NV. You're making an absolute fool out of yourself. I hope you can eventually learn to grow up. You seem pretty knowelegable (definiton of irony: misspelling knowledgable... twice) on a lot of different subjects, then you go and say something absolutely dumb. I don't get it.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 7:56:29 PM

i apologize for that shadow. but u also threw the challenge on me. and yr remarks werent any better than mine. EX: being a smart@ss

but u also dont have proof whether josh has multiple accounts or not. i wont say he has multiple accounts but u cant say he doesnt either.

making multiple accounts is extremely easy.
xbox lovers know me very well on youtube, and they were caught with multiple accounts. of course each account used different way of typing, used different words, different attitudes.

i am sorry that i have insulted u shadow. i like yr thoughts. yr a great guy, and u are also very knowledgable. u know more than me.

i dont know u as much as the other ppl here.
u have many fans here. and i dont want to fight hordes of ps3 fans that are on yr side. but i dont mind fighting against the hordes of xbox fans.

it seems everyone has mixed feelings here. but i havent got any warnings from u or the admins. i am receiving that as me being within 'limits' of the way i post stuff.

if u disagree with me in the future. i promise i wont insult u or be a smart@ss. again i sincerely apologize for my words. i hope things will cool off between me and u becuz i am definately willing to do that.



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Xanavi23
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 10:03:54 PM

Shadows a smart man and doesn't need me to defend him, but when i read something stupid on a forum...i tend to want to reply...so i did.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 12:44:23 AM

Yes. The plan is coming together. My army of hell spawn will reign down upon all who challenge me! Muahhahahahaha.

Uh... nevermind.

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kreate
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 10:57:40 AM

shadow. i guess u like challenges =)
and u have a kiddy side (in a good way)

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Schmitty
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 7:32:53 PM
Reply

this is random but i have a R2 clan, add me if u wanna join

PSN: blackhawk440

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Xanavi23
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 8:01:37 PM

Talking to me?

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LCF
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 7:57:41 PM
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couple of things here,again the reason we had so many crappy ports was because most (if not all) work went into RSX which its not suppose to do.Its not like the X360 and PC,you can't think CPU+GPU.With the PS3 its all on the Cell.Cell does it all.This is why Intel are making chips this way now(prolly AMD as well) So we will see the death of the GPU prolly in 10 years if not sooner.I know you nah sayers out there say itll never happen.But I was wrong thinking Intel would not make this type of chip.The all in one virtual image processor.Because I thought it would be a financial mistake.But this is a evolution of a business.Im not going into detail with all the incompatablity issues like the OS and PC games.Because games made on a PC that has a Cell type processor will be radically different to make.I would love to see a Cell PC make PS3 games instead of 15 different PCs to make a section of a PS3 game.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:32:58 PM

I got lost near the end of that post.

I think you were talking about PCs getting cell like chips and the undoing of GPUs. Right?

I think that eventually there has to be a massive shift in the way PCs function. Maybe this new all in one cell chip is it, maybe not. But there is going to be a ton of resistance. It's such a radical shift. I think before that major switch, we might see some hybrid machines that allow old programs and such to work. After there is enough software to support such a new architechture then we can see a true market shift.

I don't think Microsoft will be at the helm if this happens though it'll have to be a new company MS is extremely scared of taking major risks, they'll resist switching to these all-in-one chips with everything they've got.

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LCF
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 10:22:11 PM

Linux is leading the way.Microsoft would have so much to lose and lose their hold over the PC market.

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 11:08:27 PM

i dont like the xbox360. but i do want microsoft to continue their domination in the pc world. its only my opinion becuz i am a fan of the windows software.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:40:17 AM

XP is great. Vista is trash. Hopefully they can have Windows 7 out by the end of 09 or early 2010.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:44:53 PM

i bought vista couple months after its launch. i had to downgrade back to xp becuz vista had so many issues. vista sucks.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:28:13 PM

I just hate that Vista is such a resource hog. I don't like supporting companies that develop in that way. We should be moving away from flashy desktop icons and freeing up our computer's power for... you know... actual... stuff. At least that's the way I see it.

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somethingrandom
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 1:29:48 AM

@LCF
I see GPU's getting their own socket on the motherboard sooner than CPU's doing all of the graphical processing on PC's.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 8:59:41 PM

Right now GPU's advance and become obsolete much too quickly. I think you ought to expect them to be a seperate card or get eliminated altogether.

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Deleted User [Moderator]
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 8:52:16 PM
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At Ben/Mods, all others.

The reason I acted like this lately is how I was attacked..Instead of ignoring the Xbox attacks I joined..

I realize now that I was becoming what I used to hate..Sorry I got caught up. I used to be a huge Sony person..I just like to read up on a old friend from time to time.

Really isn't anything I can say..You guys forgive me?

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LCF
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:02:06 PM

nah.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:16:59 PM

Your first post began:

"Great. Another Xbox bash fest from the 3rd stringers."

It was no such thing, and that's why people get irritated. We are aware of certain members needlessly attacking you, which we will put a stop to...provided you stop provoking them.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:36:23 PM

Josh, dude, you pulled that "sorry" game after your initial sign up and subsequent posts caused major disruptions. Can't fool people twice.

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kreate
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 10:48:09 PM

@josh and yr other fake accounts.

can u stop posting any comments here?
just read and hit the road man.

dont say anything if u got nothing good to say.
in return, we wont say anything to u either.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:05:52 PM

lol

Some people tell YOU to calm down. Even your own Sony brothers.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:45:53 PM

thats not what they tell me on playstation network =)

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QuasarSquirrel
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:35:55 PM
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I think Ben using the phrase "Xbot" has not helped to maintain the civility in the comments. I'm just throwing that out there. Also, for this being a PlayStation brand focused site, a lot of you commenters sure do talk about the 360 A LOT. Its a little suspicious O_o.

Back to topic. There are several multiplat title's I'm already planning to get for the PS3: Rage and FFXIII for sure. Other than that, I'll try to pick whichever one seems to perform better. Though for multiplayer I would still lean to the 360 because I have 81+ friends from the gaming community I joined on there.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:43:18 PM

WTF is rage? I never heard of it.

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LCF
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:49:56 PM

Rage is a game from Id and the X360 ver. will be 2 discs.Id wanted 3 discs but microsoft wants alot of money for the 3rd disc.

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LCF
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 11:42:35 PM

Oh about rage.It's not because it's hugh game,it's because it's very texture heavy.thats why Id wants 3 discs for the X360 ver.The PS3 will be one 50 gig Blu-ray disc.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:39:20 AM

Oh! Now I remember hearing about this game. When you mentioned Id it clicked. Somehow the title didn't stand out much for me, obviously. I hope that game turns out well it looked real promising when I read about it.

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orangpelupa
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:39:56 PM
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@ben
GTA IV in PS3 and X360 does not have the same Image Quality.
in motion, both look the same, but for still image quality, the X360 is a bit better. only a bit. its hardly noticable on casual gamer or console gamer when playing GTA IV, everything is in motion, make it less noticable.

but for pc gamer who played the X360 and PS3 version will see this "Small difference".

i also already see GTA IV on PC, its a lot better than the console version but there too many rendering bugs and NO ANTI ALIASING. argh...
in console version, GTA IV have AA.

game ports will never be the same on every platform, but developers really struggling to make the game look identical on all platform. so the difference is not noticable by "the majority of gamer" >_<

@LCF
i still love GPU ;)
i personally dislilke games that CPU intensive. like GTA IV, the physics all calculated by CPU. and its really hard for my slow intel E2140 (dual core) processor....
my pc can run crysis but cant get decent, stable fps on GTA IV....

hmm, maybe this is the reason GTA IV in ps3 and x360 look so similar. both have multithreading processor. (6 thread? or is it 7?)

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LCF
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 10:07:57 PM

Well like I stated before,if we all thought like you we will still be in the stoneage.Intel is making a all in one processor designed similar to IBM's Cell BE.So the use of a GPU will be a outdated system. For graphic texture and polygon draw,shaders ect,ect will be far superior with this design,more efficient too.The PS3 is capiable of running at 120 frames per second.You'll see this down the road when more HD-TVs run at 120hz and dev. have a better grasp on the Cell's architecture.Prolly see this near the end of the PS3's life cycle and would not be surprised if its standard on the PS4,in fact on all PC's with Cell type processor.

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Xanavi23
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 11:10:31 PM

Thanks for clearing up the thing about 120FPS and 120Hz TVs...another reason for me to one day get a cream of the crop HDTV.

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orangpelupa
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 9:40:07 PM
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Deleted by a moderator.

WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 11:31:31 PM

Haha, burn.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:59:50 AM

Just a double post. Nothing to see here folks.

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NealRad
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 11:35:44 PM
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Joshua i accept your apology just dont get so caught up w/ all this stuff.

Worldends- you look so gay in that pic man. Been meaning to say it for a long time.

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LCF
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 11:46:07 PM

Why I get the feeling this is a Josh account? lol

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:28:47 AM

Go away Josh.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:00:58 AM

It's not him. Again nothing to see here.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:28:44 AM

how do u know that it is not him shadow?

for all we know, he can easily go to his friend's house and make a new account.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:06:38 AM

I somehow doubt he drove some 200 miles to post from a friend's house.

And let's not play the "he's using a proxy" game either. If that's the case then any one of is just as likely to be him.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:40:00 PM

i guess yr closest friend lives 200 miles away. my closest friend lives downstairs.

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Spartan 117
Monday, December 29, 2008 @ 11:47:55 PM
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The fact is PS3 is still $400 dollars so 360 is outselling it two to one. And compared to 360, PS3 doesn't have that many good games.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:05:37 AM

...guess what I smell...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:30:19 AM

Starts with a T.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:35:15 AM

re-posting becuz spartan missed my last post

xbox sales: 23 mil
ps3 sales: 17 mil

average yearly sales of the xbox: 7.6
average yearly sales of the ps3: 8.5

uh.. i think ps3 owns xbox even in sales?

xbox360 launched fall of 2005
ps3 launched fall of 2006
today is 2008

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:37:26 AM

there's nothing to play on the xbox360. the games are getting old. bunch of mediocre rpgs. bunch of mediocre shooters. tired of halo.

gears is good. but too short.
xbox never outsold the ps3.
u can argue it outsold for 1 month. or it outsold for 1 week. but yearly average shows us that xbox is getting owned.

why are u in denial?

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Bugzbunny109
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:48:57 AM

Microsoft is not stupid. They realized that the 360 is losing its "fuel" and that the system it's self was/is becoming decadent. They choose an alternative; taking advantage of the financial crisis[depression] we are in. The 360's price tag is $200 campared to the ps3's price tag $400. In summary, the only thing keeping the 360 alive is its price tag.

@Spartan- Either something is wrong with you or you have been living in a cave for the past several months and just miraculously came out; the ps3 has a plethora of enjoyable or "good games" on store shelves. For the record, I hope you have been living in a cave for the past few months :)

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:03:53 AM

The price tag is the main thing it has going for it but MS is also much better at marketing their products right now. It also helps that their two biggest franchises have extremely strong mainstream fanbases already. Right now Sony doesn't have anything as easy to sell to the masses as Halo or Gears.

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Advent Child
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:13:11 AM

I think your right Ben... [insert light bulb here]

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:30:54 AM

i agree with u on that shadow.

but we ps3 fans would rather not play halo and gears for a cheap machine that will break on us.

mine as well play it on our pc =)

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LCF
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:49:49 AM

Well yea microsoft is marketing like mad,where do you think you fee for xboxlive goes? infrastructure? It's sad,your paying for a service where you host the service and on PSN you have dedicated servers that is free.With dedicated servers the battle ground is even and your good only as your connection.where as your hosting like how xboxlive is set up,you'll always have a host advantage and if their connection is crap then everyone suffers in that game (gears 1.5 for exp.).NXE has stablity issues that microsoft still needs to fix,but they putting that money into I'm a PC commercials lol.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:36:50 AM

On Live and PSN some games have dedicated servers others don't. And dedicated servers aren't always good either, just look at Socom: Confrontation the first month after release. But Call of Duty is almost always solid unless your host is on another continent.

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GamerKid123
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:01:38 AM

Spartan, please don't fire the debate up again!
And it's not true anyway so just shoosh.

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LCF
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:13:37 AM

Only Teamfortress 2 and left for dead are on dedicated servers from Valve but those games get hacked into.It dont matter if the game host is on the other side of the state.It depends on how many hops it takes to reach the host and if there is a break you get the teleporting you see in the game.Why pay a service for someone to host? And what if their connection is from Walmart? PSN has free dedicated servers.Its all backwards.

Hosting = Free service
Dedicated servers = Fee

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:22:58 PM

Wow. I thought there were more games with servers then that. That's kind of depressing actually.

Anyway, I think only Sony games and a few others have dedicated servers on PSN. CoD, Rainbow Six, Burnout, etc. all require hosts on PSN.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:34:10 AM
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this comment is just for fun.

5 reasons why halo and gears is popular:

1.there's nothing else to play on the 360

2.xbox is a cheap system that dies out so its good to play for the moment being.

3.microsoft was successful with their propoganda schemes

4.poor class of america who can't afford a gaming pc(for halo + gears) or a ps3

5.people who are stuck with old technology.
tv are square-shape, cant afford hi-def,
planning to watch DVD for rest of their life.

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Qubex
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:32:13 AM

Lol Kreate!

Q!

"i aM hOme"

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:37:30 AM

That was excruciatingly dumb.

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LCF
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:27:24 AM

I dont believe I could ever be this blunt haha.

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ec0li
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 5:48:15 AM

I can't say that this list was really that kreative. Aparently so was my pun.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:45:04 PM

all of u guys telling me why i take things so seriously.....

i clearly posted
'this comment is just for fun'

and yet, u guys take this post so seriously. if u think i am taking things too seriously and u dont, than why are u replying in such manners?

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:17:58 PM

A post just for fun usually means it'll be funny. That wasn't funny, it wasn't clever, or cute, or cool. It was just dumb. Hence my reaction.

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King James
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:27:57 AM
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lol...u guys always get off topic by the end of the day.

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azzy
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:57:49 AM
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i lurv you kreate

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Qubex
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:38:47 AM
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Uhm... let us try to keep it civil... PSX wants to attract more readers, not turn them away due to uncivilised Xbot discussions... I think if Xbots invade they should be banned so we can get on with our lives... but the mods will have to make the call...

I would be a dictator though, if it were me!

Q!

"i aM hOme"

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:00:28 AM

To a certain extent it does. 360 does without a doubt have a better GPU. That is fact. The PS3 however has the Cell which is so powerful many of the functions usually programmed to a GPU can actually be done on the CPU without running into overload problems. This is why people say the Cell is so different. It changes is the way programmers have to make things run. On PCs and (as far as I know) all other recent consoles you have a CPU to take care of things like AI, controls, etc. while the GPU takes care of texture mapping, camera, etc. The Cell has so many cores that almost all these functions can be done on the CPU itself leaving the less than stellar GPU to do only the bare minimum. As developers continue to learn the little ins and outs of the Cell they'll learn that the weaker GPU isn't as big a weakness as they once thought.

(I'm not 100% sure about the specifics I wrote but that's the way I understand it) :)

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:15:59 PM

If I remember right RSX is a long way off of the Xenos thing. RSX is very similar to the old GeForce 7800, and the Xenos is closer to chips that just came out.

I'm just stating facts the way that I see them, and it's true. Many 360 multiplats have slightly better textures and longer draw distances. All I said is that, that is still a valid, though dumb, argument.

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LCF
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 4:25:29 PM

Check your facts Shadow.The RSX is twice the power of the 7800.Which in this case it's more than enough to just simply draw.X360s textures are crap because all texture on the X360 is compressed.Compression=Lossy data.Compare games from 1-2nd party to games exclusive to the X360 and you see a radical difference.Unreal Engine 3.5 is a crap engine and its the best microsoft has on its platform at the moment.The true test will come with FFXIII.

FFXIII will show how hard S-E has been suxing microsoft's wee-wee for money.If the textures look the same on both systems,we'll know that the PS3 ver.has been downgraded.

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www
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 4:36:04 AM
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Well if it isn't Kreate,Josh360,Shadow,LCF takin over this article.....i don't know who else,u ppl i guess have owned the article,while the editor in question is zzzzzzzzzzzz'ing.

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Qubex
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 5:59:36 AM
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I would go for a quick ban... go straight to the jugular; quick and painless for all concerned!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:03:58 AM

Then we get pissed off people that start creating new names, logging on with different computers, and their SOLE purpose is to cause trouble. Not to prove some dumb point. You been here long enough Q, I'm sure you've seen what I'm talking about.

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PSN _HAITIAN_JB
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:57:28 AM
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WOW I love this site lol funny people up in here, Kreate lol makes my day

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tanner1
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 7:24:39 AM
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Regarding sales, ps3 didnt get their asses kicked in the latter half, maybe in the mighty USA but ur not the only country in the world, the ps3 kicked the 360's ass in europe, down under, japan & probably everywhere else so its only the americans that is the ps3 achillies heel

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:13:16 PM

I'll give you that. But PlayStation always kicks ass outside the US. Most of the posters on the comments are American, I kind of ignored the other places. My bad.

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Wage SLAVES
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 6:24:00 AM

We were mighty...not at all the shadow of our former selves...

Apparently that IS the case Tanner and WE ignore that fact. You don't hear fellow American Xboxers talk about the wonderful success they are having in Japan!!!

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daus26
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 7:32:59 AM
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If xbox is relying on their next gen 720 or watever, then thats like admitting defeat between the 360 n Ps3.

Think about it, the ps3 is not yet maxed. I believe I havent heard bout the same thing for the 360.

Ps3 is more future proof n more reliable than the 360 - Fact.

360 exclusives can be handled on the ps3, not completely true vice versa.

I also believe the 360 is holding back on the quality of games for this gen. For ex, if 360 supported blu-ray, guitar hero/rock band would hve a lot more songs built in than they do now. But to keep things fair, they got to keep the contents down.

This is why I dont like multiplatforms. Instead of making it its best, they gotta standardize it for all the systems to be fair. FF13 better not be limited in quality because they gotta be fair with the 360 version. I expect the ps3 version to be superior.

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mastiffchild
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 9:49:59 AM
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It isn't in any developer of multi-plat games' interest to make their game noticably better for either system(esp now there's no excuse for lazy PS3 ports-Orange Box)-they'd make one of their markets unhappy(not to mention MS or Sony. That wouldn't be good business right now. Maybe if we get to a point where EVERY PS3 exclusive shows up EVERY multi plat, but not yet.
Certainly SE won't want to upset MS and stop the lovely big cheques currently landing on their mat. Will be interesting to see how good FF13 Vs is mind you. Also SE have their bread buttered with the great money they make on handhelds so to expect FF13 to be better on PS3 is, I fear, a lost cause.
Back on topic. Good article Ben. The MO for better Multi's for all should now be plain-you lead on PS3 then port to 360. It's both easier that way AND gets the best aggregate results for both sets of gamers. Also this years, and those are only the announced games,PS3 exclusive line up knocks any other consoles into touch(esp considering most good 360 games will be on PS3 too-'cept anything Halo based)to further stop the daft "PS3 has no games" argument. This should have ended way back but you underline it well. What will folk moan about when/if the price cut comes? Home, prolly.

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FLYING_APE
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 9:50:50 AM
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Don't f**k with SHADOW. He's hilarious man lol

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Bugzbunny109
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:51:06 PM

flyingape, what exactly do you smoke?

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:51:06 PM

Finally someone who understands me! <cries with joy>

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:52:54 PM

You're asking the wrong question. It's not what he smokes. It's what he doesn't smoke.

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Bugzbunny109
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 11:10:47 AM

LOL @ Shadow

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jedigamer79
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:19:16 AM
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i think that gamers fighting over what console is better is completely stupid. i own a wii and a ps3 the only reason i do not have a 360 is because i don’t have the money to throw away on a system that has more bugs than a two dollar whore. the xbox was plagued with bugs and now the 360. my hats off to microsoft though for selling millions of units that are piles of crap. now there is buzz on the net about a new xbox. already. come on people wake up. microsoft needs blu ray but their pride will get in there way and force consumers to trade their consoles in every four years. i had xbox and i sold it because there was no games that i cared for halo typical fps just like and other on the ps3. there will never be a halo killer because its fps.all fps are the same the only thing that changes is the story. the wii on the other hand is not even this gen it last gen and its a kids toy. i bought for 2 and 4 year old and i play it rarely for zelda. as far as i’m concerned my ps3 was worth every penny i paid and i bought it when it was 600. its still the best blu ray player and in my opinion its the best gaming system. another thing the reason the 360 is out pacing the ps3 in sales is because it came out like over a year earlier. microsoft keeps dropping the price because they know their system needs to be replaced with something ps3 equilavent. hence why there making the ‘720′ or ‘phoenix’ or whatever f** name they can think of but it will not cange the fact that microsoft puts out over priced pieces of s***.
peace



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dveisalive
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:35:00 PM
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I remember i was watching College humor and they had this one comedian on there saying, " That Ps3 and 360, are like Crips and Bloods and it is so true etc...! but PS3 is more legit!

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Deleted User
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:09:04 PM
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What the hell?

Why would I make 2 accounts? You know how stupid that is?

Im a admin at my site. You can see everyone's ip address. And wouldn't that make you look stupid.

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:12:33 PM

what is yr site josh?

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Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:20:18 PM

http://mycarcritics.bravehost.com/

Thats the mainpage and this is the forums.

http://mycarcritics.invisionplus.net/?mforum=mycarcritics&act=idx

Check it out if your into cars as much as I am.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:12:56 PM
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Oh btw LOL at no games on 360. Very nice.;)

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Lordnicon
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:18:39 PM
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Ok, I've been frequenting this site for a long time. I am a playstation owner to the fullest and have not owned a console made by another company since the 64 and dreamcast. With that said, I have to honestly say that this article does little to those of us that are conscious of the potential good in both forces in this industry.

If you are making an argument to debunk an anti ps3 argument then you have to provide reasonable evidence to support your statements. You are preaching to the choir my friend. Chances are, we already agree with you. Simply stating that x,y and z games are pretty much the same on both consoles doesnt allow any of us who have not played both to grasp the truth in such a statement.

From screen shots we can most likely all agree that the gap is not very significant anymore, but i cannot bring myself to say that the ps3 has the edge hands down (and I am all about ps3 this gen). We may assume that ps3 will potentially edge out the 360. For this perhaps, technical reasons could provide meat to your argument. But like i stated before you are preaching to the choir. So what is it exactly that we are accomplishing by publishing this?

The best answer is not a bad one, and that is that is sparks a dialogue between subscribers to flesh out what you have left relatively bare. So i cant say that this was any sort of waste of time but I will say that as a stand alone article in such a forum, it was just a little lacking. Just my two cents.

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ps92117
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 8:45:29 PM
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u cant honestly tell me that u created this site expecting to have neutral discussions that would focus completely on the topic at hand, i mean it is a site concentrated in videogames where ppl post comments in middle of night , if u r incapable of understanding that society always has extremes n sometimes u must swallow ur pride or sence of logic to survive then u my friend r in for a rude awakening. perhaps the survive part is to exagerated but u get the point. merry happy nu yrs christmas honika , pardon my spelling it sucks i know but i havent taken eng class in quite a while

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 9:12:46 PM

Is it really too much to believe that people can have real discussions anymore? That's upsetting.

Please don't blame your lack proper spelling on not having an English class. You don't ever forget how to use vowels. You were just lazy. It's cool, no biggie, just sayin.

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AceTatsujin
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 9:45:51 PM
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PS3 > 360.

Thanks for reading.

And Ben, please make another article about the Blu-ray part. Microsoft keeps saying that Blu-ray is going no where and its not going to sell anything and won't kill the DVD and down-streaming or streaming is the new way .. lmao, I wonder how they can tell the future specifically to a well-known hardware company thats been in years in service (Sony). So please make an article on that, and kill that stupid ass rumor.

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yzzlthtz
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 12:01:53 AM
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yeah it's up to the devs and their ability to program how the cross-console games are. with some real coders at work, the ps3 version should be smoother, faster.

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cadpig
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 12:15:26 AM
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Man , this is rich!!! Ha,ha,ha....swear your undying loyalty to the Ps3 or be branded a traitor to the cause....Ha,ha..
Dude, i own both systems. Right now they are both too similar in performance to crown a winner. I'm still waiting for all of this untapped power the Ps3 has.
The jury is still out on the whole Blu-ray issue.

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jedigamer79
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 7:20:18 AM
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jedigamer79
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 8:13:38 AM
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heres what i find so funny about the console wars. the 360 is very close to
needing replaced and here that in 2010 microsoft is coming out with a xbox 720
or phoenix or whatever but the point is when microsoft replaces the 360 and
support for that system then they come to the market with the 720 at 400 to 600
dollars and now the ps3 is in position to take the market back from microsoft.
microsoft systems have a very short shelf life so i think in 2012 microsoft will
stop making gaming systems. the ps3 is great for the money i payed 600 and never regretted it. i would never buy a 360 because of the failure rate. plus 360 is made with current technology not next gen technology. my ps3 is awesome. all my friends had numerious rrod's and finally said the hell with it and bought a ps3 and rave about it and wish they would have bought one sooner and how they wasted money buying a 360. because when you buy a 360 you're pretty much throwing money away. my brother has a launch 360 and its on its last legs. the 360 is lous as hell

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TheBand1t
Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 11:17:16 PM
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Disagree on the Fallout 3 issue. I've played my copy (PS3) and my cousin's copy (Xbox 360), and I must say the framerate and draw distances are much better on the 360 version.

Do note I still love the game, just pointing those out.

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creepypete
Saturday, January 03, 2009 @ 1:22:18 PM
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Sure! I'll take the challenge. . . Fallout 3 sucks on the PS3 and is near flawless on the 360. There, I said it. Now, I love my PS3, but if it isn't the lead platform when games are developed they tend to not be as great, and that's only because it takes a bit more time to write for and if they start at the same time and finish at the same time, the PS3 will always look a bit, ... unfinished.
Now, if it's the other way around, then it's a different story. So if people don't start buying these (expensive to make) games on the PS3 as opposed to the 360 look for the devs to spend even less time on the PS3. The economy is going to hurt the PS3 devs more than any other console, and that I will bet my left nut on.

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creepypete
Saturday, January 03, 2009 @ 1:28:46 PM
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and yeah, most of the posters from the US have a dislike for the PS3, it's just not the go to console here in the states. So why is EUrope so loyal to a console that ignores THEIR needs and caters to the US, even though most hate the PS3? ...$Money$.
Even MS puts out all those dopey jrpg type games for Europe and Japan even though the US hates those games. Why?.... because the 360 is about making ALL gamers that like ALL genres happy. Personally, without all 3 consoles I couldn't survive, but my PS3 is not my "go to" console this gen, and probably never will be.

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phade2blaq
Saturday, January 03, 2009 @ 5:07:01 PM
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I'm a long time Sony console supporter and my take on the PS3 is too much too pricey and too late. Everything Sony did right with the PS1 and PS2, they've done horribly wrong.

First up I don't care how many bells and whistles Sony out into the PS3 the fact remains unless the console has some kick ass games it ain't gonna sell.

The Wii sits atop the video game empire and it doesn't have a lot of fancy features nor does it have any kick as games in house or exclusives. Last time I checked, the PS3 was in distant 3rd place in sales !

Sony shot themselves in the foot with the high price tag especially when it debuted on the heels of our current economic situation.

The blu-ray drive was not necessary as there weren't an installed base of hdtv's. The few people who do own hdtv won't bump up sales.

Then there's the many variations of PS3's ! People were't sure which models played PS2 games and which ones didn't. Sony has more varitations of the PS3 than Baskin-Robbins has ice cream flavors.

They kept potential buyers out of the loop in terms of what a PS2 would or wouldn't do or what features it had or didn't have ! Peoplew ere confused !

Recently Sony announced they've cyt production costs by 35% yet the PS3 is still too pricey for most average gamers.

I hope it doesn't come true but as it stands now, the PS3 is a bust !

Sony should have laid the ground work for Home during the PS2's popularity since MS had doen just that with the original xbox. But no, they delayed and delayed and kept people waiting.

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phade2blaq
Saturday, January 03, 2009 @ 5:07:09 PM
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I'm a long time Sony console supporter and my take on the PS3 is too much too pricey and too late. Everything Sony did right with the PS1 and PS2, they've done horribly wrong.

First up I don't care how many bells and whistles Sony out into the PS3 the fact remains unless the console has some kick ass games it ain't gonna sell.

The Wii sits atop the video game empire and it doesn't have a lot of fancy features nor does it have any kick as games in house or exclusives. Last time I checked, the PS3 was in distant 3rd place in sales !

Sony shot themselves in the foot with the high price tag especially when it debuted on the heels of our current economic situation.

The blu-ray drive was not necessary as there weren't an installed base of hdtv's. The few people who do own hdtv won't bump up sales.

Then there's the many variations of PS3's ! People were't sure which models played PS2 games and which ones didn't. Sony has more varitations of the PS3 than Baskin-Robbins has ice cream flavors.

They kept potential buyers out of the loop in terms of what a PS2 would or wouldn't do or what features it had or didn't have ! Peoplew ere confused !

Recently Sony announced they've cyt production costs by 35% yet the PS3 is still too pricey for most average gamers.

I hope it doesn't come true but as it stands now, the PS3 is a bust !

Sony should have laid the ground work for Home during the PS2's popularity since MS had doen just that with the original xbox. But no, they delayed and delayed and kept people waiting.

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phade2blaq
Saturday, January 03, 2009 @ 5:07:23 PM
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I'm a long time Sony console supporter and my take on the PS3 is too much too pricey and too late. Everything Sony did right with the PS1 and PS2, they've done horribly wrong.

First up I don't care how many bells and whistles Sony out into the PS3 the fact remains unless the console has some kick ass games it ain't gonna sell.

The Wii sits atop the video game empire and it doesn't have a lot of fancy features nor does it have any kick as games in house or exclusives. Last time I checked, the PS3 was in distant 3rd place in sales !

Sony shot themselves in the foot with the high price tag especially when it debuted on the heels of our current economic situation.

The blu-ray drive was not necessary as there weren't an installed base of hdtv's. The few people who do own hdtv won't bump up sales.

Then there's the many variations of PS3's ! People were't sure which models played PS2 games and which ones didn't. Sony has more varitations of the PS3 than Baskin-Robbins has ice cream flavors.

They kept potential buyers out of the loop in terms of what a PS2 would or wouldn't do or what features it had or didn't have ! Peoplew ere confused !

Recently Sony announced they've cyt production costs by 35% yet the PS3 is still too pricey for most average gamers.

I hope it doesn't come true but as it stands now, the PS3 is a bust !

Sony should have laid the ground work for Home during the PS2's popularity since MS had doen just that with the original xbox. But no, they delayed and delayed and kept people waiting.

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NetheRealm
Saturday, January 03, 2009 @ 11:51:56 PM
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I've been playing the Lord of the Rings Conquest Demo off the PS3 store full game releases January 15th. Great game I am planning to rent but my main gripes about it are 480p no 1080 no custom soundtracks & frequent online lag & disconnects so for the these issues alone I imagine it's yet another multiplat that's better on the box.

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BIG_E
Sunday, January 04, 2009 @ 4:51:14 PM
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to:NetheRealm Iv played it to and the bugs in the game only indicate that its another crappy port. Me personally i have had enough only exclusives from now on.Go to youtube and u will get an answer to your 480p to 1080p confusion.Do yourself a fever and do your own research. BEN and all the other PS3 owners warn you and others about this. Anyway check out youtube open your eyes!!!.

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shootu
Sunday, January 04, 2009 @ 9:16:11 PM
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last comment was for JoshuaAdam360 I guess they didnt like it but everyone one here would of.

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