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Will Blu-Ray Expose DVD As An Aging Format In 2009?

Now that HD-DVD has gone the way of the dodo and Blu-Ray continues to move upwards and claim more of the market - consumers kinda like that whole high-definition movie thing - it's a given that DVD will begin to show its age at some point.

This being the case, how much longer will it be before game developers start to pine for the advantages of Blu-Ray when they go to create the visions within their heads? There have been many rumors about Microsoft implementing a Blu-Ray drive into the Xbox 360, which would not only be somewhat humiliating from an obvious "crap, they picked the right horse and we didn't" standpoint, but it would also heat things up in the console war. If they don't opt to do this, though, will it be easier for the PlayStation 3 to surge ahead in terms of software? There's no denying the advantages of Blu-Ray over DVD when it comes to making games, and as Blu-Ray continues to roll forward, the aging DVD format could take a serious hit. In fact, we're thinking you could start seeing developers choose the PS3 as a lead platform far more often in the future; not so much for the added power, but for the Blu-Ray feature. In that same vein, could it be possible for studios to produce exclusive PS3 games due entirely to Blu-Ray? Some are saying 2009 will be the year of the PS3, but perhaps it's just as accurate to call it the year of Blu-Ray.

We're certainly not saying that DVD will die out in 2009 - no, that format will hang on for quite a long time - but there's no denying the fact that Blu-Ray will push forward and claim more of the video-viewing market. Movie makers and game developers alike are bound to take notice; most devs have already noticed. So in that case, logically speaking...what might happen next?

12/30/2008 Ben Dutka

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Troy Powers
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:28:50 AM
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My gf bought me the Transporter 1 & 2 for Christmas...on dvd. I was really disappointed they weren't on blu-ray. She didn't know any better though. But, yeah, now that I've watched a couple blu-ray movies, I could never go back to dvd. I think this is going to be the general trend.

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Aftab
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:43:45 AM

Transporter 2 is on bluray for 30, and the first is like 20. My personal favorite action franchise, although it kinda degraded after the first one. I had the 2nd on dvd, and got a umd (for psp) for the first for $5. Great deal.

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Troy Powers
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:58:54 AM

Actually, I don't mind spending $30 on a movie. Hell, I went to the movies Sunday night and spent $7.50 for the ticket and $20 on popcorn and candy. Sure, $20 is kinda extreme (bought a small popcorn, small drink, nachos, and milk duds), but still. And I went with two friends who each paid the same ticket price and bought junk food. $20-$30 to watch a good movie in the comfort of my own home as many times as I want...that's peanuts.

Man, the MPAA and movie theaters have been raping us for so long, I have no remorse for them. Support your local bootlegger.

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HUSO
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:48:31 PM

lol Aftab, i fail to understand how its your favourite "franchise" if only the first one was good. :)

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Aftab
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 4:17:20 PM

Because of Jason Statham, ofcourse! He's right up there with Jackie Chan and Jet Li.

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HUSO
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 4:54:26 PM

Now that makes a lot more sense :) than being a fan of a not so good movie. In that case u should look forward to Death Race when it releases on Blu-Ray. and having watched almost all JetLi and Jackie Chan movies including the nameless ones, i could relate to you.

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FreQaZoiD
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 8:19:17 PM

Hey both Transporter 1 & 2 Blu-rays can be had for $35 TOTAL on Amazon right now! :)

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Aftab
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 8:05:58 PM

Nice!

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0_o
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:41:08 AM
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yeah, but arent they too expensive?!

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Aftab
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:45:13 AM

They're coming down in price. I was at walmart, and noticed only the new releases were selling for 30, while all others were selling for $20.

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fallingdove
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:53:20 AM

You just have to know where to go. My blu-ray collection just passed 15 movies and I haven't paid more than $20 for any of them. Amazon and eBay are great.

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karneli lll
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:03:05 PM

too expensive? the average difference is like 2-6 bucks. dark knight blu ray $21. dark knight dvd $20 (Amazon) even their original prices are nearly identical

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HUSO
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:53:35 PM

i just found stores in Delhi, India selling blu-ray movies for Rs999, thts approx USD20 considering current exchange rates. pretty good deal i'd say. i bought Stealth and Casino Royale this weekend pretty awesome.

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Aftab
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 8:11:06 PM

That's incredible. I still remember a time in Indo-Pak when the only movies we could find were vhs copies of vhs of copies of camcorder vhs recordings taken by someone in a cinema hall. We'd get our movies before they even reached the cinemas in the US, but at the expense of seeing mysterious silhouettes in the picture and a shaking frame. Globalization has really spread it's wings!

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Aftab
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:48:37 AM
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If I'm not mistaken, this year is the year that public broadcasts are going 720p. This may mean more hdtv purchases, and possibly an increase in bluray player sales.

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MirrorSoul
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:28:13 PM

No just every TV broadcaster is going Digital not HD.

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Aftab
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 4:19:25 PM

Thanks.

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coolistic
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:53:39 AM
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Not according to this guy,

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/bal-to.bluray30dec30,0,1906473.story

:S

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:52:25 PM

Blu-ray overtakes DVD in Japan

"Blu-ray players have overtaken the popularity of their DVD
counterparts for the first time ever in Japan according to data collected by GfK Retail and Technology.

The region saw Blu-ray recorders occupy more than 50% of the market share for DVD recorders, in terms of unit numbers.

Gfk also reports that Blu-ray machines are replacing DVD recorders 1.5x faster than the latter replaced VHS machines. DVD recorders exceeded 50% after 82 weeks. In comparison, Blu-ray recorders achieved the same results in only 53 weeks"

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Joe_III
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:02:36 PM
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I don't know myself. Especially with this economy. My wife and I still buy a number of DVDs. We only buy Blu-Ray for titles that really benefit from it, like Pixar movies and action movies... For other stuff, we jsut get the DVD since it's still 10-15 cheaper for the first couple of months...

@ Aftab: 720p is not a requirement for public broadcasts. Most will be going to 1080i, but some will be "going" to 480p. HDTV isn't a requirement, just digital broadcasts...

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bearbobby
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:55:44 PM

Ok, and this is where I sit with Blu-ray. It is superior to DVD, no doubt about it, stop arguing. However, I personally don't think certain movies truely require the upgrade.

Regular flicks like Tropic Thunder, Mamma Mia, or The House Bunny (just to name a few recent ones according to all the friggin web ads) would not receive a significant benefit from a higher resolution. Though of course it would look BETTER, as it currently stands it looks good enough.

Now, like Joe said, films with lots of digital enhancements; i.e. flicks from Pixar and Dreamworks, and all the big blockbusters like Transformers, Dark Knight and Hellboy II look absolutely PHENOMENAL in Blu-ray.

That said, the upgrade in visual and audio quality in most cases will not cause me to re-purchase a movie I already own on DVD as the PS3 upscales quite nicely indeed. The only exception so far being Batman Begins which I got on blu-ray as a gift. (Though that may change when the Lord of the Rings and the original Star Wars trilogies become available.)

And as that is the only movie I have been able to compare 1 on 1, I can say that while the upscaled DVD looks great, there is a definite improvement when I pop in the Blu-ray version.

To all who comlain that they don't want to have to switch over their video library to the new format... relax. You don't have to as the new players will read your old DVDs, but maybe consider purchasing a few of the big name movies in the future on the newer, better, format. Don't be afraid of change.

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LCF
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:44:41 PM

720p is the lowest broadcast will go with their signal.Im not sure but I think it was NBC going native 1080p.Interlace will not be supported.

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Vivi_Gamer
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:23:35 PM
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I have around 300 dvds,i personaly think DVD quality is just what you need. In 5 years no doubt something will replace Blu-ray, so i ask whats the point. and yes i have a HDTV and have tried a few Blu-rays its good, but nothing like the leap DVD took from VHS.

another plus with DVDs is the price i can pretty much get any DVD i want for no more than £5.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:34:41 PM
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Simply: yes

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dveisalive
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:39:25 PM
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The only problem with blueray as well as the PS3 is price, when both go down; lets say probably by the end of next year then they will sell like pancakes as they already are! Blueray eats DVD's for breakfast! Just imagine a 4-5yr develop game for PS3, just pure craziness, then that would make a 60$ game even more worthy.

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Phoelix
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:40:18 PM
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Unless Microsoft can find a way to make monumentally huge hard drives cheap enough to put in the next XBox and download speeds become fast enough to support digital downloads of games, they will have to use Blu-ray. There's just no denying how much more can be done with 50 gigs versus 8 or 9.

I don't see the first option happening anytime soon, which means that Microsoft will be paying Sony for every next-gen XBox's Blu-ray drive. Right?

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HUSO
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 4:34:13 PM

talks of a console with only digital downloads is a pipe dream. if it ever happens in the next couple of years that console will be targeting a very minor demographic.

IMO MS and their cronies are aggressively hyping digital downloads as the next big thing specifically to draw attention away from Blu-Ray and the significant inroads its making in the market. All Smoke and mirrors.

Digital Downloads as a game delivery medium will be viable only once broadband penetration becomes much higher than it currently is. Even the US has a 26% broadbrand penetration based on population.
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0809/

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Phoelix
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 5:24:04 PM

Yeah, I was actually going to say something about Microsoft's big talk about digital downloads trying to lead the general public away from adopting Blu-ray.

I can just see the conference where Sony and Microsoft make a deal for a Blu-ray XBox:

Sony: "Say it...come on..."

Microsoft: "Okay, fine... you were right for adopting Blu-ray from the beginning."

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whooka
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:13:18 PM
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once you've gone bluray it's hard to go back to regular dvd (assuming you have a decent tv). and as far as dvds on a large, 1080p plasma type tv, yechh! i agree that unfortunately since the U.S. and it's communications 'giants' have been too cheap to upgrade the infrastructure here, HD on demand/download is gonna be awhile so bluray is gonna be the ticket (no pun intended) for a few years. if you can't afford purchasing new bluray releases due to the recession, just grab some avchd's! the ps3 loves them =) shame it won't do the audio on most of the VC1's out there.

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Frenchy17
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:20:49 PM
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I love my blu-rays, in fact I just bought a blu-ray burner for my pc to back up my favorite blu-rays of course :)

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jerocarson
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 1:40:58 PM
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I don't see the first option happening anytime soon, which means that Microsoft will be paying Sony for every next-gen XBox's Blu-ray drive. Right?


yes, it gona happen Phoelix.
just the same way Sony and other companies pay microsoft for using their first party application.- eg.windows.

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englishgolfer
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:05:09 PM
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nice to read an article that isn't predicting blu-ray's demise.

@bearbobby, being a husband i had to endure mamma mia on dvd (happy wife = happy husband). a few days later i saw said film in a store on a 50" full-hd tv and wow it was amazing. so much so i am thinking of buying it to the misses now. so regular flicks do benefit from blu-ray, and my wife gets happy (man i need to learn those abba songs so i can sing along with her.....)

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HUSO
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 5:02:16 PM

apart from those nostalgic songs, it was a crappy movie. my sympathies as i had to endure the same pain myself. but those songs still rule.

u ought to getyourself Singstar ABBA

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Deleted User
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:15:16 PM
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It depends really.

The format has been out for some time now and its still catching on. Notice how its about to be 09 and its still only on the PS3 gamewise.

We will have to see.

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FLYING_APE
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 8:07:43 AM

so erm... how is living in your mummys basement working out for you.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 3:00:43 PM

You mean running my own business? Its doing quite fine for being 21.;)

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city96
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 2:22:33 PM
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Bluray discs dnt they contain lots of unused gigs

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Dingodial
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 4:44:09 PM

Especially on BD used for movies. Can you believe that they still make "2-disc special editions" for certain movies on BD when they could just cram the movie and all the bonus features into one BD?!

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www
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:07:14 PM
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THE JOKER pushed sales of blu-ray......lol
but c'mon i heard Dark Knight on blu-ray sold like hot cakes.
I don't know but there was something about Heather Ledger the Joker dat made him look more attractive on blu-ray opposed to dvd.
Everywhere across ign,gamespot...among other sites,the joker's face pops up with a grin on a "blue" background indicating the movie is out on blu-ray.....dat really was catchy.

Since the joker has been one of the best n baddest villains dis year,i think just a few have missed dat movie n if am ryte he's definitely gained internet popularity more than the batman himself.The success of the movie on blu-ray culd push ppl into buyin other movies on blu-ray n gradually adopting blu-ray eventually.

To me i wuld say the JOKER actually popularised
blu-ray this year and that culd also extend to the success of the ps3.

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Spartan 117
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:07:31 PM
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When DVD came out it had so many advantages over VHS that people were willing to accept the bigger price. But with Blu ray its only advantages are better picture and more storage space but it's $10 more when it's lowered to the price of DVD though then it'll probably take over.

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LCF
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 6:19:28 PM

It's not only better video and storage.Its also wear and tear of the parts involved and you also get true 8 channel sound from the sound designers with no loss in quality.There is no need for compression because of the space availible.Loss of data is inherit to compression.I can't think of the name now but there is a university that has a 10 channel sound system and one of the channel is call the god channel(funny I know haha).But scientists there prove that for total immersion of the soundscape you need 9.2 surround(It's 10 because sub is 0.1x2=1)

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Wage SLAVES
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 4:36:54 AM

Umm...the advantages over dvd are apparent if you have actually seen a Blu Ray film vs dvd...I'd choose it over the theater.

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LCF
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 4:43:35 PM

My 7.1 HD Blu-ray based home theater system is way superior then any cinema houses over the past 20 years that I have been in.Only movie I've went to in the past 4 years was Iron man and that was just to help out Marvel because GTAIV came out that same week.

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LCF
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:16:57 PM
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I remember some games that came out on DVD had extra features like DVD moives did with behind the sceen footage and such.Even on some early Blu-ray games but that seemed to die out.

Today its all about size,with the advancement of technology comes more information so you need the space to put that information in.

DVD9 are Native 480i (Anamorphic can only go so far as 720p)
20X (max) disc read can wear the spindal/disc out.
Blu-ray Disc uses a "blue" (technically violet) laser operating at a wavelength of 405 nm to read and write data.DVDs and CDs use red and near infrared lasers at 650 nm and 780 nm in CDs.
BD-Video movies have a maximum data transfer rate of 54 Mbit/s, a maximum AV bitrate of 48 Mbit/s (for both audio and video data), and a maximum video bitrate of 40 Mbit/s.In other words.If BD went 12x the speed, the transfer rate would be 432 Mbit/s and DVD at 20x the speed would transfer at 211 Mbit/s.

So the transfer rate is improved at a slower speed then DVD at high speed.So again you get more information processed per pocket hit then a DVD pocket hit.

The max gig a DVD can hold which is the DVD 18 (4 layer)17 gigs, but its really 15 gigs because codex information stored.I'm not going to go into HD-DVD causes its a dead format.But with Blu-ray Discs its able to store up to 1 terabite of information.JVC has done this with a prototype they made.TDK made a 400 gig Blu-ray last year.

DVD old? Hell yes it's old.DVD came to the masses in 1995.Which was headed up by Sony and a number of other companies including microsoft.But with the U.S.A going digtal and dropping terrestrial analog signals by the end of 2009.HD is becoming a standard in the U.S.Someone had to move the technology forward and guess what? it was Sony.

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OU812
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:39:36 PM
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Imagine the games when Pioneer developes the dual sided blu ray; although the price would be ridiculus.

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OU812
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 3:40:43 PM
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sorry I meant dual sided blu ray disks

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HUSO
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 4:20:42 PM

he must be referring to the 16 layer Bluray Discs which Pioneer is developing.

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FLYING_APE
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 8:10:09 AM

he means the blu rays that can work on dvd player

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HUSO
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 4:13:38 PM
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i really doubt blu-ray will be heading to the next xbox. its microsoft for crying out loud. they never admit to having made a bad decision. they;ll most probably go with DVD-18 with capacity of 17GB :) and instead of swapping DVDs, while playing an RPG on it u'll be having to change sides every so often :D

and i don't see Blu-Ray going anywhere but up. and @UltimaDream, if everyone thought like u, they'd still have stacks of big ass audio records in their houses. and 5 years is quite a respectable period as a life for a new format. doesn't mean that after 5 yrs its suddenly gonna disappear, its not gonna be the LaserDisc of this generation. and btw between VHS and DVD we had the LaserDisc, which was pretty awesome apart from the huge size. when it first came out several yrs b4 the DVD

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kreate
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 7:24:15 PM
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it doesnt matter whether consumers like their dvds. eventually companies will want to make money going with the blu ray.

how many ppl have dvd players oppose to ppl with blu ray?

of course companies will eventauly want everyone to switch to blu ray so they can make money.

companies will put movies on 'blu ray only' forcing us to get blu ray. its inevitable.

corporations wants our money. in a way, we are slaves to these new technologies.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 7:38:16 PM
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I can't tell the difference between an upscaled DVD and a Blu-Ray without looking for it on my 32 inch TV so I'll gladly keep building my DVD collection with $5 movie sales at Best Buy every few weeks.

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Wage SLAVES
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 4:42:03 AM

I dont like those $5 obscure videos. The good ones are still $20. Upscaled is seriously not as good as Blu Ray...its the difference between 720p and 1080p. If you cant tell the diff. then you can't be much of an FPS sniper...

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LCF
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 4:53:29 PM

Anamorphic can only fill in so much data Shadow.You compare a Blu-ray with a HD T.V scaled down to 720p and compare to a DVD upscaled to 720p,you will see a hugh difference.Now dont get me wrong.Some companies out there can botch the transfer to HD when converting from the film source.Let me guess Shadow you watch movies in full screen don't you?

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 8:45:49 PM

If you guys can tell the difference go ahead knock yourselves out. I only can tell if I'm looking for the differences so I only get Blu-Ray for movies I REALLY enjoy like the The Dark Knight.

BTW Movies I got for 5 dollars:
Terminator 1 and 2
Disturbia
The Departed
Knocked Up
Alien and Aliens
Ocean's Thirteen
Bourne Movies
300
28 Days Later
Die Hard Trilogy
Jarhead
Semi-Pro
and others. If you look you can get a ton of big-name movies on the cheap.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 11:02:04 AM

Don't know about the rest of your list but 300 is SO worth the extra bucks it cost to get it on blu-ray! You can definitely see the difference.

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AceTatsujin
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 9:56:02 PM
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Here's my story.

Bought an HDTV, 720p/1080i 37". Really cool looking, too. Next week, bought a PS3 and ... well, there was the missing HDMI plug! What the hell Sony? No problem, went, bought an HDMI plug and put it in ... jaw-drops. "High Definition ...". Month later, bought 300 and 16 Blocks movies and put them in ... HOLY FREAKING MOTHER OF LANDS AND DONKEYS AND TEAS! Yup, that was my reaction and thats only on 720p. I showed my uncle what the PS3 can do on his 60" Plasma TV, 1 week later he got a PS3 with 6 blu-ray movies and I brought my movies over and the kids watch their own, we watched our own, on that damn 60" Plasma TV, 1080p yes .. So detail, so beautiful. There is nothing as beautiful, as detailed in depths of colors, bits, mapping and everything in between, and the sound as well! As a Blu-ray ... Period.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 12:32:14 AM

I really like 16 Blocks. Just figured I'd throw that out there.

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Zorigo
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 8:44:28 AM

kinda why bluray won format war.

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LCF
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 1:19:45 AM

VHS died out cause they all wore out lol.The audio is always the 1st to go on a VHS tape.

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Frenchy17
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 3:39:37 AM
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@City 96
No they do not have a lot of unused space. Most of the newer blu-rays are all pushing 40-50gigs.

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Zorigo
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 8:43:00 AM
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bluray is obviously gr8, but i herd there is a new format apparently there is a new format coming out; currently un-named supports up to 100gb of storage and 1920p. FTW!!!

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kreate
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 11:02:14 AM

9 gig DVD going to a 50 gig blu ray is a big jump. more than x5 storage

but 50 gig to 100 gig is well..not so significant. x2 storage

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xnonsuchx
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 1:14:20 PM

There are CONSTANTLY new formats being developed...like there's a 2160p HDTV spec too. Even when a format/spec gets announced, it could be upwards of 5 years before anything comes of it and probably 90-95% of those announcements don't lead to an eventual product.

Also, Pioneer (I believe) has developed a 400GB BD that existing BD drives would be able to read (though may need FW upgrades).

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xnonsuchx
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 1:09:12 PM
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If people are dumb enough to be buying their stuff at full retail price, they are clueless and not worth considering anyway.

I agree with comments that a lot of titles don't really benefit much seeing in BD over DVD, and some upconverting players (PS3 included) do a good job of playing DVDs on HDTVs. There are many movies, however, that a lot of people WOULD appreciate on BD. I think a lot of the initial problem was that fairly limited (and only new release) titles were available and cost $35-45. Now that HD-DVD rightfully died, there is a regular weekly stream of new and older titles coming out for BD, for as little as ~$20, up to $30-ish. I think as the economy gets better and people really take notice (and prices continue to drop on players), a lot more people will want BD.

BD has taken off elsewhere in the world, but a lot of naysayers are calling it a failure just because cheap, whiney US consumers aren't getting it for 1/4 the price the rest of the world pays, like for many other products. Note also that various articles claiming BD is struggling or a failure are saying so because it's not a skyrocketing success, not because it's declining (I don't see these same people saying the M$ Zune is dead). The only valid complaint I see (for inexpensive standalone BD players that most people would end up buying) is that the BluRay spec is still evolving and only the more expensive players are upgradeable (and most of the cheap models are still 1.0 or 1.1 spec). People made the same complaints about DVD over VHS in the 90's and it took a few years for DVD to become more accepted. BD is still young and will take a while longer before you can really judge if it's a failure or not.

That's why I bought my PS3...I knew BD would win over HD-DVD, it also could provide kick-ass gaming entertainment, and it's easily upgradeable (automatically).

BD titles owned: SUPERBAD, THE SIMPSONS MOVIE, TRANSFORMERS, THE P*I*X*A*R COLLECTION, MEN IN BLACK, BLAZING SADDLES, and LIFE OF BRIAN (yes, even ones I said are fine on DVD alone, but more coming soon).

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OU812
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 2:53:06 PM
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@ ffrulez & HUSO
Let me clarfiy; yep the 16 layer Bluray pioneer in the process of developing. MyBad

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NetheRealm
Sunday, January 04, 2009 @ 12:02:47 AM
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Blu ray rules. I always prefer to rent them instead of the dvd & I'm glad it was built in to the PS3. I was upset though when my 60gb began refusing to load the discs & I had to trade it in for a new 160gb & lose my b/c & 2 usb. I hope the newer blu ray players don't die in a year & a half like my 60gbs did.

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