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Sony: PlayStation 3 Keeps Games And Entertainment Simple

Although it started slow, the PlayStation 3 has continued to build momentum over the past couple of years and now stands in perhaps the best position of its lifespan thus far. To reinforce this position, Sony has just issued a press release that outlines why their unit is most certainly worth the price of admission. It's all about getting a certain amount of bang for your buck...

As they say, the PS3 gives "consumers the most features and functionality out of the box," and with no "immediate need to upgrade," it quickly becomes more attractive in comparison to the competition. As most of you know already, the machine comes fully equipped with Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi, a large hard drive, free online access with the PSN, and what they're calling "ten years of value with a future-proof system via firmware updates that offer new services and features." If you want to check what the Xbox 360 and Wii offers, everyone is quick to point out that you can pick up a 360 Arcade for only $199, but it doesn't include a hard drive or Wi-Fi, and a full Xbox Live membership is $50/person. The Wii has Wi-Fi, but of course doesn't offer a hard drive and only boasts limited online capability. Furthermore, we are reminded that earlier 360 models didn't come with an HDMI output, while all PS3s - obviously due to Blu-Ray - are HDMI-ready. So if you add it all up, even though the PS3 costs $399, an Xbox 360 Arcade at $200 cheaper isn't necessarily a steal if you want to equal the PS3's capability.

"The PS3 is the perfect example of a product featuring superior technology and a sophisticated design creating an ideal all-in-one entertainment product. The Xbox 360 requires additional money, multiple upgrades and additional external devices, putting a burden on the wallet and adds clutter to the entertainment center. And the Wiis lack of enhanced features comes at the expense of a comprehensive entertainment solution. So as PS3 continues to evolve without the need for additional parts or expenses, expect the competition to continue peddling add-ons in an effort to keep up with the Jones."

Now, although we can translate this to mean that we really shouldn't expect a price drop any time soon, it's still a worthy argument. In this economy, everyone wants to dissect exactly what they're getting for their hard-earned dollar, and when it comes to home entertainment consoles these days, it goes well beyond the price tag. Dive in to see what you get, and how you view the product can change...

1/7/2009 Ben Dutka

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Comments (105 posts)

WaR_HaWk
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 @ 9:57:52 PM
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cool

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GoldenShadow
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 @ 10:05:43 PM
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I would spend the $600 dollars all over again, this system has been my center of technology for years now. I have never found so many uses for a console.

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chilker
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:36:34 AM

GoldenShadow, I absolutely agree with you. I spent $600 and got it that first December. I've used it SO much since: Picture viewing (my parents are still blown away by how I can get all our vacation pictures to play on our big TV, and they load so quickly compared to the DVD player with a SD card slot), movie watching, web browsing, news (Yay Life with Playstation--am I the only one who uses it?), curing cancer (yes, I say that slightly tongue-in-cheek, but it still applies), and of course: GAMING.
This is one powerful machine and it does so much. Some people have DVD players, Blu-ray players, other consoles, and will bring their laptops to play picture slideshows all attached to their home theaters.
All you really need is a TV, a surround sound system and a PS3.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 5:14:00 PM

Yeah, what they said!

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somethingrandom
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 5:20:27 PM

Folding@home has nothing to do with cancer...

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chilker
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 7:53:55 PM

Sorry, Something random, this is from the Folding at home website:

"What is protein folding and how is folding linked to disease?
Proteins are biology's workhorses -- its "nanomachines." Before proteins can carry out these important functions, they assemble themselves, or "fold." The process of protein folding, while critical and fundamental to virtually all of biology, in many ways remains a mystery.

Moreover, when proteins do not fold correctly (i.e. "misfold"), there can be serious consequences, including many well known diseases, such as Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers and cancer-related syndromes. "

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somethingrandom
Sunday, January 11, 2009 @ 12:25:05 AM

It's less common in cancer, and last time I was there they said they were working to cure Multiple Sclerosis.

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FeyeR
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 @ 10:07:45 PM
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This was probably a statement againts MS after MS predicted that their would be a ps3 price cut pretty soon. Sony is showing that they believe in the price of the ps3 and are not changing it anytime soon.

Although I do believe they do need a price cut, hopefully nearing Christmas 2009.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 @ 10:59:20 PM

No one is going to say that they need a price cut and will cut it until they are actually cutting it though.

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MetalHead09
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 @ 10:29:00 PM
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everything they said was totally true. the playstation 3 is in fact the most bang for your buck even if it is 200$ more than the competition, your getting more for your money.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 @ 10:30:56 PM
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Wired online gaming is actually preferable to me than wireless. Has anyone here played their PS3 and gotten near 100% signal strength?

So, yeah, if wireless internet is something you want out of the box, thats a win for you.

As for the hard drive, yeah. Fool of a move releasing one without a hard drive. But, I know lots of gamers who are fine sticking to memory cards. Don't bring their consoles online.

The truth of the matter is, what one seeks they will find if they actually bother to look it up.

Nintendo are f*ers on account of their Wii-mote and Nunchuck, and how much on top of the system to get them. If you want to have 4 controllers, you are dropping a hefty sum.

But, then, some people prefer the idea of paying for things as they can rather than one lump sum.

I'm not into Guitar Hero or Rock Band or any of that, but I am sure people would find it more palatable if they didn't have to pay in one sum. This is people who are on the fence, naturally.

Also, to jab at Sony. Not everyone wants a blu-ray player. And that big hard drive that comes with the PS3 isn't really all that big when you consider 4 or 5GB installations of a game. So, with a 60GB many of you must have to delete games you want off the system. And, I seem to recall lots of insults thrown at the Xbox that it was going to be just like a PC.

And, yes I know the 360 has the optional install now. Not going to use it because frankly, the 20GB I have is pretty damn lame too. And I am going to look out for a price drop on the overpriced larger hard drives before I get one.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 @ 10:32:12 PM

In reading your posts, it sounds to me like you have a lot of "jabs" for Sony and yet don't have much experience with the console.

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Tim Speed24
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 7:15:49 AM

Pushtrak, you can hook up the PS3 to the internet with a wired connection also.

And I do get 100 percent signal strength for my wireless internet gaming connection. My router is about 15 feet away.

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Dustinwp
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 9:08:52 AM

@Pushtrak I have a 60gig PS3 and own most of the games that require an install. After I did all my mandatory installs and added a few PSN titles, my drive still wasn't that full. I also get 100% signal strength and my router is on a different floor in my house.

I now have a Samsung 320gig SATA drive that I picked up from Newegg for $54.99, because I wanted to download Siren:Blood Curse. Which is a very sweet game for anyone who was wondering.



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tlpn99
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:43:15 PM

I use mine wired too, just easier as its in the same room as the router, if it wasn't I would have to consider wireless.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 @ 10:39:11 PM
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I do though. Granted my time has mostly been spent going through the Metal Gear Solid games. I've also devoted a chunk to playing CoD4, GTAIV, Pain, watching blu-rays, browsing PSN and the internet browser.

The internet browser was actually quite good. Was good for quickly browsing something to show people when putting it on the PC was more hassle than it was worth.

I haven't played Pain in ages. And I have only recently set up my own name on PSN, it happens to be the same as the one I use here.

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psxjunkhead85
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 @ 11:28:07 PM
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pushtrak problem is he only got a 20 gb ps3. So of course u r going to complain about running out of space n knocking the wifi ps3 which I have, and to point something out you can get 100% signal strength on the ps3 cuz i got 100% signal strength, unless u r playin n the attic or basement or something it all depends on your router. If you think about it if you dont like wifi n you u r troubled about memory best buy sells sata hardrives ranging from 250gb to 500 gb which microsoft cant do, that way u made yourself a good purchase. Now i want to talk about the things ps3 has and will have in the future. If you think about it ps3 has alot of features. One of my favorite is going to have to be the internet browser, and seeing that sony strengthn up the web browser, with that flash player that made it a whole lot better. I can check my email and i can watch movie can't wait to sony go bluray 3D and gaming 3D this year just another reason to purchase one. I love my ps3 ( give ps3 a hug.)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:16:30 AM

Guy sounds like a douche.

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King James
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 11:50:40 AM

no he sounds like some type of gaming robot...what is that called again???

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Aftab
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 2:35:31 PM

Super human douche-xbot.

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Qubex
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 @ 11:54:48 PM
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Whilst I had reservations (as stated before) that Sony's promise of real "next generation" was exactly that, a promise, I am heartened to see that the latest game engines being developed exclusively for the console begin to show what is possible with care, attention and a great deal of optimisation. For me personally, "next generation" begins with Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, GoWIII, Heavy Rain etc... Once developers are truly comfortable with the tech, we should see some very interesting results in the following 5 years...

Saying that, my PS3 has given me countless hours of fun thus far, and I use it for everything... browsing, music, movies and games.

I now need to re-install an updated flavour of Ubuntu Linux, called Xubuntu. This latest version has fixed the wireless issue that has plagued previous linux distributions for the PS3. It is also lighter, therefore even on the PS3's restrictive memory base, I can do alot with it except playing Linux based games such as FPS; unfortunately under Linux the hypervisor blocks use of the RSX GPU, so it can feel sluggish. However, that is besides the point. With Linux on the PS3 I can leave my work laptop at work, get home and do everything I need on the PS3; this includes using Firefox to use Google online apps... so it is like having office online... Whilst "hobbled" under Linux... the PS3 is still essentially a 64bit computer, with limited memory - unfortunately!

The PS3 does everything I need, except accelerated graphics under Linux... that is all that is missing...

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:18:30 AM

Can simple linux games be played if you use linux on your ps3?

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Qubex
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 3:03:10 AM

Yes they can... in fact; old style point and click adventure games from Lucasfilm etc are all usable. Gimp (the graphics manipulation programme - very similar to Photoshop) and the full Open Office Suite are all very usable.

I use VLC (Media Player) to play any music or movie file I want (VLC is also available for windows). However, because no GPU acceleration, if I try to play video files in full screen the frame rate drops, that is if I am set at 1080p. If you set your Linux resolution to 720p (or lower), you wouldn't have an issue replaying video files. Both Java and Flash are supported in Xubuntu through Firefox, meaning you should be able to run Flash and Java based software; however, depending on how much you are running will depend on how fast and responsive the system will be.

I think for browsing, office packages, image manipulation (limited), ftp etc etc... it is all very usable...

If you want a specific Linux distro for the PS3 (which is actually supported by Sony)... you would need to get YellowDog Linux, however quite a few other exist.

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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chilker
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:20:36 PM

Really? Have they fixed the wireless issue? That's fantastic news! I had plain old Ubuntu running on my PS3 for a while, but I was frustrated that I could never get my wireless internet connected.
But now that it's been fixed, that is a very very tempting...
I've never used Xubuntu (but I am currently--as in RIGHT NOW--using Ubuntu on my desktop computer), are they very similar? I am already very familiar with everything on Ubuntu, so I don't really feel the need to refamiliarize myself with another OS (OSX, WinXP, Vista, Ubuntu), do you know if Ubuntu for the PS3 will have the same fix that your distro has in the near future? Or is Xubuntu definitely worth looking into? I haven't really done any research on it.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 8:44:04 PM

chilker; you can go to www.psubuntu.com to get all the latest news about PS3 linux. The Forums are good to help you solve technical issues for the IBEX release. There are tutorials there that explain how to get the wireless working.

Let me know if this helps! Also, what is your PSN ID; i'll add you!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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chilker
Friday, January 09, 2009 @ 1:15:30 AM

I like to be consistent: my PSN account is also Chilker, haha.

Sweet man, I've got the ISO downloading right now. I'll probably really be fiddling with it. Fortunately, though, at the moment I'm in a set up where I no longer need wireless. The other problem I had (I think it was with Feisty Fawn, last time I messed with PSUbuntu) was with video mode. My monitor/TV is 1366x768 and Ubuntu seemed only capable of putting out 1280x720 with a black box around it (which was fairly annoying) or some other lower resolutions, all with black boxes around them. Inexplicably they refused to stretch. But I think I remember hearing that has since been fixed as well.

I'm not sure I really NEED ubuntu on my PS3--but it'll be fun anyway.

Thanks!

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Joe_III
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:39:44 AM
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yeah sony, keep it simple by breaking the pricing down. At least they keep games simple by having like 4 good ones...

my troll-fu is weak tonight...

Seriously though, the PS3 is the better value for sure, but putting that up front cost still hurts...especially in this economy.

Cut the price, take the loss and get it out there. Because there's a 50/50 chance that M$ will cut the costs on the arcade to 150 by november, and the Wii is probably going to go down to 200 the month after NPD sales slow down...

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Scarecrow
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 2:22:05 AM
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Weeeeeeeeeeeell you do have to buy a pseyetoy camera and that new keyboard thing for the DS3....

But overall that's BONUS stuff, or like extras.

But yeah for the 360 you really have to keep being sh*t for it, if it's not a HDD it's the gold membership.

For the Wii........goddamn if you want to play a Wiiware game you have to buy the Classic controller and a bunch of other extras for games.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 3:11:12 AM
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I like how they mention older 360 versions for the HDMi, but fail to mention the 20GB ps3 from launch that didn't have wifi.

Not to mention touting the PS3 as the best HD console ever, and never placing any HD cables in them - not even compnent.

What Sony put out is forum fanboy like damage control.

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Tim Speed24
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 7:21:38 AM

You don't get HDMI cables when you buy a HDTV or a new stand alone Blu-ray player either, soooo whats your point?

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 3:14:17 AM
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Ben, can someone own a ps3 and not be a fanboy that simply takes Sony's drivel and slurp it up?

Can people have minds of their own, and think that the ps3 IS way overpriced, when a 360 and a blu ray player can be had for less?

Not everything Sony does is all that good, or smart. This whole gen has shown that Sony has been making one gaff after another.

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karneli lll
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 6:38:32 AM

"way over priced" im guessing you still would be complaining if the ps3 costs $200.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 10:21:21 AM

...a 360 and a Blu-Ray player can be had for less? How MUCH less?

The point is not price; the point Sony is trying to make is what you get for that price. That's all.

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King James
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 11:53:56 AM

@haimon
spoken like a true ROBOT.

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somethingrandom
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 5:41:20 PM

The lower model PS3 is $299 with Blu-ray and Wifi...

Where can you get a Blu-ray player for under $100?

What do you expect from Sony!?!?! They LOSE MONEY selling PS3's. Their profit comes from software and accessories.

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Dingodial
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 8:45:00 PM

@ haimon
Your post is a lie. Can you do math? The cheapest 360 cost $200 and the cheapest BD player usually cost $200. 200 plus 200 equals $400. That is the same price as an 80gb. PS3 (with a hard drive, unlike the cheapest 360 which doesn't have a hard drive)

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Vivi_Gamer
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 3:22:58 AM
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Saw a chart on PS3Fanboy, heres the problem for my step dad due to buying a 360, he recently bought a 50inch TV and wants to play Blu-ray, which of course the 360 doesnt have, so now after buying a 360 and HD he has to get a PS3 anyway.....

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 3:26:20 AM
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Ultimadream - why does he need a ps3 to play blu rays? There are stand alone players much cheaper.

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Vivi_Gamer
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 4:35:43 AM
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Its been supported by evidence that the PS3 has the best quality Blu-ray player available, also Blu-ray mahcines arent cheaper, why get a Blu-ray player when you can get a PS3 for the same price?

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ec0li
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 5:10:57 AM

I don't know the prices are in Europe but you can get very good blu-ray players around 175 to 250 dollars from brand name companies like Sony and Samsung in the US. The main thing though that the PS3 has over most but not all the stand alone players is speed which helps with loading time. In terms of picture quality to me it's a toss up. The main problem that standalone players had just as recently as a year and a half ago was that they didn't have network connectivity and made it impossible for firmware upgrades. You'll see that some older players can't even play the extra features on Blu-ray discs. That's what the PS3 since day one had over the standalones...network connectivity right off the bat.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 5:25:32 AM

Underdream - If he already has a 360, and can get a BR player for 200$, is the extra 200$ worth it?

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Aftab
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:33:16 PM

Definitely, if you have an HDTV, but you'll be less to do so, if you have to purchase it seperately.

And even once you do, you're still left with DVD9 for your 360.

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tlpn99
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:48:44 PM

I have seen a blu-ray player in Argos for £95. Couldn't see what make it was though it was on the shelf behind the pick up counter bit.

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somethingrandom
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 5:45:50 PM

The 360 is reaching it's limits, and you can get a PS3 for $299.

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ceedot
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 6:25:04 AM
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It's so fu**ing true, and the 360 fanboys still don't get it.

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whooka
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 6:38:04 AM
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Finally. This is exactly what Sony needed to do, break it down for consumers (at least those who are listening) as, while I don't watch much actual broadcast tv, I can count on one hand how many actual PS3 commercials I've seen on tv the past two years (commercials actually for the console) and as everyone is aware the PS3s biggest thing going against it right now is it's entry price, especially with other game consoles being available for 1/2 the money. I still think the price is reasonable considering the included hardware versus other consoles but the bulk of consumers probably think 'game console' and see the other 'game consoles' out there and just figure Sony is having a laugh. With MS continually dropping their price on the 360, the price gap just makes the PS3 look worse to the uninformed consumer. The only thing that has really bothered me a bit about the pricing is I bought a 40GB model at $399 and now you can get the larger hard drive models for the same price. I'm wondering why Sony just didn't keep the 40GB model out there and knock maybe $50 off the price and label it an 'entry level' unit or something. It wouldn't be as stripped down as the competitor's lite versions as it's still got the wi-fi, bluray, etc, just less hard drive space, and I've downloaded burnout3 and other games and still have 1/2 the space left on my 40GB model.

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www
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 8:06:40 AM
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Owning a ps3 makes u elite,like the rich guy up the hills with a ferrari,lambo or a bentley.
Regular dudes will go for the cheaper ones and hate on the rich guy,now nobody cares if bentley gt is NOT the fastest selling car,owning it ups your reputation or status,now we don't expect the price of the GT to drop to that of the fast selling car like Toyota.

So,if u are still ranting about ps3 price,nobody's forcing you to buy it,stay in your broke lane and appreciate your 360 arcade/premium or Wii,hell cut Sony some slack they're YET to even start making profits.....damn!

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ec0li
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 10:05:03 AM

haha

I would like to hear your take on the people who buy Elite 360s that cost the same as the standard 80gb PS3.

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Aftab
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:14:31 PM

40 gigs more, but no bluray, wifi, nor rechargeable controllers...

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ec0li
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 3:04:44 PM

bah!

I was expecting www_dot_com to say "also elite like the PS3 owner but with a lower IQ".

@Aftab

Since you went the boring route...I'll just continue for you...free HDMI cable, free headset. And not to mention STILL RROD READY!

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Aftab
Friday, January 09, 2009 @ 12:23:55 AM

Sorry, but headset, and hdmi cable in the face of bluray is like a box of crackers.

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ec0li
Friday, January 09, 2009 @ 4:10:09 AM

haha so true so true! Oh wait, 360 owners can use the hdmi for their HDDVD drives. Oh wait, they stopped making movies for it after around April 08. Too bad.

I do love me some Blu-ray Dark Knight and Iron man though.

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noshownogo
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 8:10:50 AM
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When will fanboys realize that neither Sony or Microsoft will do as well without the other...competition is healthy.

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coverton341
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:36:35 PM

Thank You!

Capitalism and competition make corporations what they are. If you got rid of either company then the other would falter because there would be no reason to make anything better. All the Sony fanboys out there listen: If Microsoft were to fold then Sony would have no incentive to bring all these additional services through the firmware upgrades, and Microsoft fanboys the same goes for that side of the fence as well. If Sony were to shut down and go broke why would Microsoft need to buy up exclusive content and bring new addition to the 360 or even really improve too much with the next system? They wouldn't they would only need to push the graphics a bit and build a better physics handling processor and slap a pretty UI on it and call it XVistaBoxExtreme.
The two companies need each other and they need to toss jabs back and forth about price and functionality to promote a healthy growing market.

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CH1N00K
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 8:12:57 AM
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I bought an 80gb in October 07, I think I dropped around 600 cool ones for the motorstorm pack and extras (games, controllers, hdmi...etc) At the time I felt as though the machine was a lot of dough, especially with the lack of good games. Thank god for RFOM and Warhawk. Then I started finding out all the stuff I could do with it. like viewing all my pics/music/movies that were sitting on my external harddrive. I knew that I had a good deal when my girlfriend looked at it the other day and said,

"This thing has really paid for itself with all the stuff we've done with it. When do you want to put in a bigger hard drive?" For the record, she'd originally wanted to get a Wii.

Now I know for some people the price is still a bad point against the PS3, but now that I've had mine for over a year...I look at the other systems and think that they are cheap for a reason, and I really have no ambition to own either of them.

Oh and for those of you that have never had your girlfriend ask you if you want to put a bigger hard drive into you PS3, you're missing out. When those words came out of her mouth, I realized why I loved her, she can say the sexiest things sometimes...lol

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Fatcat3788
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 9:57:54 PM

lol

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ps3king
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 8:19:58 AM
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Can some one help me I want to get a bigger hard drive but don’t know what one to get. I have $125 to spend on it and would like to get it on amazon.

Would also like to know if it is hard to install.

Thank You.

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CH1N00K
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 8:24:36 AM

for 125 you should be able to get a good 250gb-320gb Hdd. you need a 2.5" Sata (laptop drive) the one that is in the PS3 now runs at 5400 rpm, but I've heard some people say the 7200 rpm runs just as well.

And no it's not hard at all to change the drive. Make sure you backup your data on to something else first though. If you don't you will lose all the save games and info you had from before.

Check You Tube, there's a few video's on there that show you how it's done.

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coverton341
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:39:31 PM

I would recommend getting the hard drive from tigerdirect they tend to have better deals than amazon. I picked up a 320 for about 80 bucks.

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Fatcat3788
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 10:01:36 PM

Newegg has 500 gb ones for 110$ If you really wanted to get a huge harddrive. Try looking them up. As for amazon I am not so sure myself but I am sure you can get something around 250-350gbs for that price.

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ps3king
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 8:48:23 AM
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Thank you ch1nook your information was help full. I wanted to upgrade my hard drive for a long time but thought it would be hard to install...lol

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CH1N00K
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 9:23:29 AM

no problem, I've actually been looking to do the same thing, but it seems everytime I go to buy the HDD, I find something else I want instead. I've only used up about 40gb of my 80gb drive so I'm not too worried about it. But I've researched the crap out of how to do it, I could probably do it in my sleep now. One of the biggest things that seems to be a problem with swapping the drive, is make sure you don't strip the little blue screw that holds it in place. other than that it's pretty straight forward.

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Fatcat3788
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 10:05:30 PM

type in "compatible hard drives for ps3" into google and one of the links is for the usboards for playstation.com. That will give you detailed information about how to change your hard drive out as well as provide pictures. Like Chinook said though, you NEED to have the right sized screw drivers in order to take off the screws on the Harddrive. They are made of aluminum and strip super easy. It's also a good idea to get an external enclosure so you can use your old hard drive as an external hard drive.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 11:00:06 AM
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"Pushtrak, you can hook up the PS3 to the internet with a wired connection also."

Yeah, I know, just trying to point out the market exists that wireless is meaningless to. For gaming.

"@Pushtrak I have a 60gig PS3 and own most of the games that require an install."

Assassin's Creed--------(Required) 1.3Gb
Burnout Paradise--------(Required) 0.4GB
Battlefield BC------------(Required) 0.4GB
Civilization Revolution (Required) 0.65GB
Conan--------------------(required) 0.67 GB
Devil May Cry 4--------(Required) 4.83 GB
Dark Sector ------------(Required) 1.2 GB
Eye of Judgement---------(Required) 1.9GB
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (required) 4.2 GB
Fallout 3-------------------(required) 5.0 GB
Fear -----------------------(Required) 2.5GB
GTA IV-------------------(Required) 3.3 GB
GT5 Prologue-----------(Required) 5.24GB
Haze --------------------(Required) 3.82 GB
Hot Shots Golf 5 - ------(Required) 3.61Gb
Heavenly Sword--------(Required) 2.1GB
Lost Planet: Extreme Condition-(required) 4.9 GB
Medal Of Honor:Airborne-(Required) 1.95 GB
MLB 08 The Show--------(required) 2GB
Metal Gear Solid 4--------(required) 4.0GB Nascar 09------------------(required) 0.13GB
Oblivion---------------------(Required) 4.6GB
Orange Box ----------------(Required) 0.6GB
Oblivion GOTY--------------(Required) 5+GB
Overload Raising Hell----(required) 3.33 GB
Ratchet & Clank Future-(Required) 0.42GB
Resistance: Fall of Man--(Required) 0.22GB
Rainbow Six Vegas 2------(required) 3.00GB
Spiderman 3---------------(Required) 2.6Gb
Skate ----------------------- (required) 2.6 GB
Top Spin 3------------------(Required) 3.6 GB
Timeshift ---------------(required) 1.02 GB
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty (required) 2.52 GB
Warhawk w/boosters-(Required) 1.1 GB
Warhawk w/o boosters(Required) 1.25GB
WWE Smackdown! vs. Raw 2008 (required) 2.4 GB

Granted, no one is going to have all of them, and I keep hearing about a 10 year plan.

"pushtrak problem is he only got a 20 gb ps3."

Sorry, I actually was complaining about the 20GB from the 360 there. 20GB is useless too from MS.

"sata hardrives ranging from 250gb to 500 gb which microsoft cant do, that way u made yourself a good purchase."

Yes, now this is a very strong point for the PS3. Upgradable storage.

"Yes they can... in fact; old style point and click adventure games from Lucasfilm etc are all usable.

I use VLC (Media Player)"

Much win in that post.

"I like how they mention older 360 versions for the HDMi, but fail to mention the 20GB ps3 from launch that didn't have wifi.

Not to mention touting the PS3 as the best HD console ever, and never placing any HD cables in them - not even compnent.

What Sony put out is forum fanboy like damage control. "

Ho ho ho. Thank you. I forgot to point that one out. Also paying the price necessitating a blue tooth headset?

"When will fanboys realize that neither Sony or Microsoft will do as well without the other...competition is healthy."

Precisely that. My enemy in the world of gaming isn't any of the console manufacturers. Its those who give blind loyalty to said manufacturers and are willing to gloss over anything. Ignoring the fact that they are only in it for the promise of profit.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 11:04:07 AM

Pushtrak, you have to stop. As you just said, Sony is in this to make money as EVERY manufacturer is. Nothing you're pointing out is surprising, and nothing is even underhanded (not in the world of business, anyway). The only valid complaint you might have is the lack of HD cables in the PS3 box, but that's about it. Everything else is just standard stuff that everyone ACCEPTS. They're not "glossing over it;" they're merely accepting it as a matter of course. None of this is NEW.

And none of this means Sony is looking for ways to snag more money from the consumer, any more than Microsoft. I think Microsoft does it better than anyone and they're FAR more likely to not care about the customer in my experience. So please, no more giant breakdowns of shortcomings. We can do that with all three consoles, nobody will be shocked, and the PS3 still comes out just fine.

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Dustinwp
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 1:03:13 PM

@Pushtrak I own 22 of those 36 games you have listed and I'm at work, so I don't have the time to list all the games. By the way I think you have way to much free time during the day or something.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 11:20:49 AM
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@ chilker
Hah I beat you, Ive had my 60gig PS3 since november of '06. I'm a bigger Sony whore.

@ Pushtrak
I think any intelligent person can agree not EVERYONE wants Blu-ray. But without it, they couldn't use those nifty blu-ray Dvds. Then we'd have to settle for those stupid Dvd9's that the 360 uses. Less disk space=less entertainment and more restrictions.

@Haimon
Can you say that the features out of the box of the 360 come close to that of the PS3? You accuse the Writers of this site of being fanboys when you boast about your dated console. I mean wasn't it Microsoft who said that it would be rare to see 1080p games this generation, and that It was a waste for Sony to include HDMI Output?

Well looks like with the elite, they felt the need to COPY what Sony did and include HDMI. And about your stupid comment about picking up a Blu-ray player for MUCH cheaper...Did you not realise that you said one of the stupidest things in this article? Yes you can now find them for a bit cheaper than the PS3, but if you read reviews about those player, you find a helluvalot of problems associated with them.

And factor in that bug ridden player and the BASIC arcade 360, you get a price equal or greater than the PS3. So if you can find a 360 and blu-ray player for cheaper than a PS3, let me know where you buy your stolen goods from.

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chilker
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:29:16 PM

Nice! Those lines were so long that November! And then they were sold out just about EVERYWHERE!
I was shocked when I went in the store just to look around, and one my friends was working, so I just asked, "hey, man, I know they're sold out everywhere...but you don't happen to have a PS3 here, do you?" and he whispered back, "we've got one."
It was really funny.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:34:52 PM
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ooo nice! Same happened to me exept my aunt was with me(and all men thinks shes hott). I didn't know the employee, my aunt and I went to walmart at about 3:00 am and when I asked for one he said they were sold out.

So I went to the grocery section to ask my aunt for help and she sweet talked the guy into selling us a system that was on hold for another customer!

Now usually I would have been happy, but i was pissed that he broke the rules and had a popular item on hold. Most business forbid the practice. My aunt was a saint!

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 12:39:25 PM
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Somewhere else with this story, the comments there... I'm not going to claim this as my own, but it is funny.

"Dum de dum. I think Microsoft should release a new 360 that comes with a Ferrari. And then they could say 'Ah, but does the PS3 come with a Ferrari?! I think not! Clearly the Xbox 360 is the only games console with all of your Ferrari requirements'."

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Aftab
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 2:15:02 PM

Yeah, you don't need a Ferrari. And you may not need bluray. You might as well not need an HDTV, nor even an HD console. Hey, you might as well stick to a wii. But for the rest of us avid about next-generation in gaming, we'll go for the "Ferrari".

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 1:56:23 PM
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Ok okay I got somethin to say, it's nice that they sent out the press release, but how about making sure the prospective customer get's the bloody information. They have yet to accomplish that very well.

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rell
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 2:03:53 PM
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I find it funny that some gamers keep talking about how this economy struggling yet u have people go buy hdtv's like 26inch cost about $300 to $400 or get a 42inch which will run u close to a grand. Ps3 is like buying a computer, unless u building from the ground up which still can be the same price of the ps3. And I been threw tougher time then all this recession. My point is that we americans are cheap except for me and some gamers on this forum don't like to buy cheap electronics , the ps3 has a dvd player, and blu-ray player, and the 360 only has a dvd player the hd 1080 on the 360 is crap.

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rell
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 2:23:59 PM
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oh waited a minute some gamers are forgetting the wii cost more then the 360 arcade, and yet the wii is outselling the 360, thats goes to show that its not all time about price its what content appeal to some people. Trust me if sony was to advertise the features of the ps3 I guarantee people will buy it trust me. The ps3 is a is a true computer that what sold me it don't really need to use a computer to be a computer, but the 360 does. Microsoft get it together.

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Frenchy17
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 2:27:07 PM
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Pushtrak, you and I have been jabbing back and forth for a little while now. I think you present your comments intelligently, which is why I will indulge myself in commenting with you. But I find that you constantly take cheap shots at Sony every chance you get. I think it was yesterday when you said that sure you take your shots at Sony but you also do the same to other two. I have never once seen you say anything negative towards Microsoft or even Nintendo. You are like the Fox News of posting, you make good articulate arguments, but you present yourself as fair and balanced which is a total joke. And your experience level with a PS3 is about the same as test driving a car. Sure you can get a good or bad first impression, but you will never know what its truly capable of until you own it.

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Aftab
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 2:31:54 PM

Well said.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 2:56:39 PM

Perhaps you haven't read all of my comments then? I haven't made any contributions to the forum, everything is in comments on articles.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 3:54:05 PM
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Now if Sony would start advertising all these facts instead of just "press releasing" it,
then we'd have a real "PS3 Revolution" now!

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dveisalive
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 4:56:19 PM
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I just love how the whole setup of the PS3 is. Cross Media Bar isnt new but it's genius, and very very simple. All I have to say if PS3 is sold a year earlier than its competition then it probably has a higher demand than the Wii. but PS3 is the ultimate entertainment system! While Microsoft and Nintendo come out with their next systems, the PS3 will be cheapest at best and you will see a recycled pattern all over again just like the PS2! PS3 rules!

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Dingodial
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 5:49:57 PM
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Let me compare the 80gb. PS3 to the 60gb. 360. As you know, PS3 already has wi-fi, BD tech., free online, and a few others...

Once upon a time, there were 2 neighbors. One neighbor got a 60gb 360 and the other got an 80gb. PS3. Once they got the systems, they started going to each others' houses and observing the other neighbor's system. One day, the 360 owner goes to his/her neighbor's house to check out the PS3. Naturally, the PS3 neighbor starts boasting about Blu-ray and how great it is. So the 360 neighbor decides to pay $200 to get a standalone BD player to add to his home theater. The next day, he goes to his neighbor's house again and says, "Now that we both have BD players, we now have all the same gadgets." But the neighbor says, "You are forgetting something. I have a game system with wi-fi and you don't." So then his 360 neighbor decides to pay $100 for a wi-fi adapter to go onto his 360. He then goes to his neighbor's house AGAIN and says, "Now we both have all the same stuff." But his PS3 neighbor then replies and asks his 360 neighbor a question. "How much did you spend in all?" he asks. His 360 neighbor then replies, "After buying the 360 ($300), the BD player ($200), and the wi-fi adapter ($100), I spent a grand total of $600 plus $50 per year for xbox Live. Suddenly the PS3 neighbor laughs and says, "Guess what? You spent $200 more than I did and your 360 has a hard drive with 20gb. less memory than what my PS3's HDD came with. Also, I don't have to pay a dime to play online but you have to pay $50 per year. After 4 years, you will pay a total of $200 extra just to play online!"

I want everyone to examine this and notice how much money everyone would save if they choose a PS3 over a 360.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 6:44:05 PM

You start off saying its 60 VS 80... Then, at the end, the 60 changed to 20GB? Gremlins?

Also, that example works for people who want blu-ray. There are plenty of people with PS3s not interested in jumping to blu-rays, but happy with DVDs. Crazy world we are living in, the same applies outside this group.

Wired VS Wireless for gaming.... Hmm...
http://www.ps3multiplayer.com/forum/ps3-technical-support/19331-wired-vs-wireless.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080302012631AAT9C5h
http://www.3dgameman.com/forums//showthread.php?t=53735

But, yes, paying for online is a hassle. 70% of my time owning the console is actually without being gold.

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Dingodial
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 7:36:17 PM

@ Puchtrak
If you know how to read English so well then re-read my post and notice that I said that the 60gb. 360 has an HDD with 20GB. LESS MEMORY THAN THE 80GB. PS3. I DID NOT SAY THAT THE 60GB. XBOX 360 HAD A 20 GB HDD.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 9:56:22 PM

"You spent $200 more than I did and your 360 has a hard drive with 20gb. less memory than what my PS3's HDD came with."

My apologies. I see a full stop and assume that its the end of one sentence and the beginning of another. I take it you don't follow this logic.

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Dingodial
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 10:47:01 PM

Sometimes a decimal (.) can also imply an abbreviation and not just the ending of a sentence. I wanted to write gb. instead of gigabyte because I thought it may save me a couple milliseconds of time if I just used the abbreviation.

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somethingrandom
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 6:06:28 PM
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People think PS3 is expensive?

First of all, they are comparing the high model of the PS3 ($400) to the arcade version of the 360 ($200). Second, the elite 360 costs as much as the low PS3 model ($300). Third, the PS3 is worth more (higher manufacturing cost). Fourth, the PS3 has got a long way to go when compared to 360. Fifth, the PS3 has free online. Sixth, the PS3 allows you to play HD movies and games from one machine, and costs less than a 360 arcade + Blu-ray player. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. I could go on for days...

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ec0li
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 6:21:28 PM

wuh huh?

at least you should get some of your facts straight, lol.

360 elite is 400 bones same as 80gig PS3

360 pro is 300 smackers

there is no low end PS3 model in production at 300 beans

if you did see one for 300 greenbacks, then you might be referring to some older discontinued models (maybe the 40 gig)


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somethingrandom
Sunday, January 11, 2009 @ 12:28:09 AM

They still sell the 40GB at every Electronics store I visit...

And I was guessing on the other numbers...

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Spartan 117
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 7:24:59 PM
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Sony definitely needs to lower the PS3 prices if they want to beat 360. You can go out right now and get the 360 elite for the same price as a 40 gig PS3. The main reason PS3 isn't doing so well is because of the economy. Give people the choice between a console that's half the price of the other and the choice is simple.

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Dingodial
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 8:54:21 PM

You are forgetting that the 40gb. model was discontinued months ago and that the cheapest PS3 actually comes with 80gb. (not 40gb.)

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 7:46:11 PM
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I find it funny people can spend 600 on a gaming console then bi*** because live is 50 bucks a year..come on people.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 8:48:58 PM

Here we go again... it may be because people may not like Xbox360's; nor do they like M$ Live. I get so much out of PSN at the moment, so many hours playing the mini games in HOME, and its free... Remember you are in a PS3 centric zone :)

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Dingodial
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 9:00:13 PM

Josh, I don't mean to affend you (your comments usually aren't as biased as some of the others). But after 4 years, anyone with an Xbox Live account will have already payed at least $400. After that, not only have they payed at least $200 for the xbox 360 system itself but the $400 that they payed for the online play would have been enough to just buy a PS3 to begin with.

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BikerSaint
Friday, January 09, 2009 @ 7:01:13 PM

I can also reverse your same sentence....

I find it funny people can spend 50 a year on Live, then bi*** because a "complete" gaming/media console is only 500 bucks...come on people.

Hmmm, me thinks sounds much better this way.(not that I have anything against the 360, mind you)

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Dingodial
Saturday, January 10, 2009 @ 11:09:27 PM

Couldn't have said it better than BikerSaint

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Robochic
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 9:10:00 PM
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I have had my 20GIG since launch and i'll tell ya it's the best damn 600 i spent, i can play all my ps2 games, watch dvd and blueray dvds,surf the web,upload my pics,my console is wired but still i love it. I have seen what my friends have paid for their 360's and it is almost the same amount i have spent on my console. I really don't think Sony needs a price cut i think it's perfect especially for what they give you and what the system can do.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 9:58:45 PM

You are better off going wired for online gaming. People just like mentioning wireless for the PS3 as a bullet point.

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, January 09, 2009 @ 8:37:10 AM

the 60gig ps3 was $600...not the 20gig.

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daus26
Friday, January 09, 2009 @ 6:44:55 AM
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Wrong. There r many out there that cant get their Router/modem at the same room. N quit with all the "unreliability"of wireless, because I use wireless n its really fast n reliable. Its a big plus to consumers than u think.

Also, the ps3 is no doubt the better value, ESPECIALLY in the long run. We r ralking bout value here, not a debate/discussion on what people need or dont need right out of the box. As an entertainment console, the ps3 is unmatched. Just face the facts.

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Qubex
Friday, January 09, 2009 @ 6:51:42 AM

Yes true; so far my PS3 has worked flawlessly with my wireless router!

Q!

"i Am HoMe"

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, January 09, 2009 @ 8:38:22 AM

I 2nd that motion.

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Aftab
Sunday, January 11, 2009 @ 5:33:31 PM

Yup. I've had wireless connection from day one, and get 100% signal 99% of the time. And the minor dip that happens 1% of the time (which is rarely noticed) is totally worth not having to run a cable all over the g*ddamned house as if it were a datacenter, just so I can play from the comfort of my bedroom, not to mention, having to run another wire or move one every time I want to use my ps3 somewhere else. Moreover, the reliability I get connecting to psn wirelessly is better performance offered with live in with a ethernet cable connection, if you count all the down times.

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rell
Friday, January 09, 2009 @ 9:28:39 AM
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my ps3 works find to me, microsoft need to fixed that overheated 3fixme because my elite keep getting red ring of death.

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dveisalive
Saturday, January 10, 2009 @ 1:09:56 PM
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Josh and Pustrak are noobs PEROD! we need to stop PS3 haters as well! if you have nothing good to say about PS3 then, dont post for people dont care about dumb comments of comparisons about 360 to PS3 or money etc of PS3, it just gets irritating!

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shootu
Sunday, January 11, 2009 @ 10:49:06 PM
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@Pushtrak and JoshuaAdam360 why in the hell are you one here??? Just to piss people off???? This is PSXextreme so go to Xrox and be ROCK star there. Push pass the POP CAN to Josh crackers!

@Ben can we get rid of these idiots?????

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Deleted User
Monday, January 12, 2009 @ 2:59:47 AM
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LOL at people taking offense when people call out Sony for spinning things like a forum poster would.

That table is garbage level marketing/pr. It doesn't matter how many half truths and BS they put in it - its still a stupid way to try and convince people the PS3 is worth it - use the games as a reason to get the PS3, not that it has 4 more bullet points, and can do this and that.

It's obvious that people are not seeing the ps3 as worth the money, otherwise, they would be buying them, and not buying the other consoles much more.

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