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PS3 Hate Boils Over, Fanboy "Journalists" Embarrass The Industry

This. This, right here. This is why gaming journalists will never get any respect.

We recently ran an article that warned readers against misinterpreting opinion as facts because apparently, only loud-mouthed fanboys get any sort of attention in the realm of so-called video game journalism. Typically, the world of gaming news continues forward in much the same way it always has; we scan around, field the press releases in our inbox, try to find interesting scoops online, etc, etc, etc. But the recent trend, which apparently began with a new rash of PS3 hate - fueled entirely by jealousy - has assaulted the Internet, and we're already feeling the negative effects. You know, when narrow-minded idiots make certain inane proclamations in an ill-advised attempt to present their opinion as fact, everyone suffers. Now, they're actually trying to prove a point with completely irrelevant statistics!

Okay, here's a concept that everyone - everyone - needs to comprehend and accept. The Xbox 360 launched one year before the PlayStation 3. It has a larger user base. Depending on the source you use, Sony has sold between 18 and 20 million PS3s and Microsoft has sold between 26 and 28 million 360s. Now, we won't bother to show the obvious closing of the gap in the past two years; we'd rather stick to the point: when there are 8-10 million more of one particular console out there, the sales numbers for the corresponding software will reflect that gap. Therefore, this isn't anything like comparing the software sales between systems with equal user bases, and that instantly alters the numbers. This is fact #1. Here's fact #2: evidently, the only argument the Xbox loyalists have left revolves around sales numbers. And they're desperately trying to cling to it like a drowning fanboy clings to the life raft that's moments away from heading over the waterfall (God, if only).

Obviously, nothing else matters. No other aspect of the system comes into play. Blu-Ray doesn't matter. A free PlayStation Network doesn't matter. PlayStation Home doesn't matter. Faaaar better reliability doesn't matter. Hell, even the games don't matter. Has anyone been able to locate an equally retarded anti-PS3, pro-360 article that even mentions games? Hell, and here I was thinking that this industry is all about the damn games. According to just about every last major publication on earth, the best games of 2008 were MGS4, GTAIV, Gears of War 2, LittleBigPlanet, Left 4 Dead, Fallout 3, Resistance 2, Fable II, Valkyria Chronicles, Dead Space, and Devil May Cry 4. Sure, it's subjective, but I doubt most normal, unbiased gamers will disagree with that list. I see four PS3 exclusives, three 360 exclusives, and a bunch of multiplats; none of which were superior on the 360. And looking into 2009...yeah, we all know the PS3 has a gigantic advantage. We won't list off the games again.  But let's just say that most all the games everyone is talking about right now - Killzone 2, God of War III, Gran Turismo 5 - are PS3 exclusives, and the others are multiplats.  Are there any 360 exclusives that are in the impending spotlight?  Seriously...any at all?

But hey, why should that matter to video game journalists? Why bother to use statistics that will equal out the argument? No, let's just include those that support our end of the argument, because the truth of the matter is, we're either high school or college kids pretending to be "journalists" but failing to cover up the obvious bias. Yeah, MGS4 has been "pushed" into the background. Sure, why even bother to entertain the notion that it outstrips anything on the 360? I'm not saying it does, but I guess sales are all that matter. Yeah, Prologue was just a demo so it must've sucked and GT5 might not come out until 2010...which immediately means it's not ever coming out, so who cares. LBP didn't perform so well in sales...despite selling 1.3 million copies so far (and despite a typically terrible Sony advertising campaign) and scoring higher on average than every last 360 game in 2008 with the exception of GeoW2. Blu-Ray? Yeah, who needs high-def movies and games? The Network is free but we'd rather pay for what amounts to the same service these days.

Reliability? Bah. Just because everyone you talk to says they're on their 63rd 360 doesn't mean anything! Hey, just as a final question; something to chew on here: that 8-10 million gap in user base...how many of those sold 360s are second, third, and fourth purchases from the same consumer because their previous console crapped out? I know warranties and the like will take care of some of them, but they can't possibly take care of all of them. Anyway, we apologize for the rant, but we're getting sick and tired of the irresponsible, horrendously biased, and completely unprofessional "articles" that we're seeing online.

You know, this is the reason why I'm oftentimes embarrassed to say I'm a video games reporter amongst other journalists. Because children, like the ones at Gaming Target, screw me over.

1/14/2009 Ben Dutka

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Comments (415 posts)

vallador2
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 10:56:19 PM
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I totally agree with what your saying.

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wasim
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:36:08 PM

Sites like EDGE/EUROGAMER/1up/GAMESPOT/GAMETRAILERS/VARIETY should be perma banned from reviewing PS3 games

i mean such an amount of hate????

shame on you bas*****

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www
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 5:59:25 AM

True,Eurogamer tops that list.
Eurogamer=360 fanboy

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rell
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 7:42:37 AM

vallador2 u know what I think cause more hostility towards ps3fanboy is because kz2 is coming out next month getting high praises, actually theres one site is a xboxfanboy site who gave good reviews on kz2 , and xboxfanboys are pissed off because kz2 disscusion was on there site I found this info in the official playstation blog.

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ec0li
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:06:42 PM
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Yeesh! A little too premature don't you think? How can the PS3 be "Done" if it's still getting AAA games in 2010?(if the GodOfWar3 Q1 2010 is to be believed) Who can really ignore 20 mil PS3s and probably another 10 mil more for 2009 if the PS3 coninues its 10 mil a year trend? High profile games are going to continue on the PS3 for at least another 3 years I believe. Done? Not by a longshot.

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wasim
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:37:47 PM

PS3 i think is around 22m consoles sales worldwide by december 2008. X360 at the same time in its lifecycle was at 16m last year.

x360 is done i should say
ps3 will win the console war when the price drops to 200$. sales will ignite with a 300$ price tag and KZ2

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ec0li
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:55:09 AM

@Wasim

The numbers that were thrown around during CES was 28mil 360 vs 20mil PS3 shipped as of the end of 2008. Out of the 28mil from 360, take out 5 mil which was from its 1st year. That leaves you 23 mil. That 23 mil is actually the 360's sales at the same time the PS3 has been out. So if you compare the two consoles, the 360 has sold close to 3 mil more than the PS3 at the same time frame. This is all besides the point though. The main thing is the PS3 has sold enough consoles and will continue selling. There is just no way developers would ignore millions of gamers ready to buy great games especially with the lineup for 2009.

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dveisalive
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:13:57 PM
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PS3 or should I say Sony has alot of haters, most of them are 360 fanboys PERIOD, who defend there old outdated system!

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Deleted User
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:54:41 PM

And then the Dbags like you. Who only support Sony.

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:01:30 AM

are you ok with this shadow

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Scarecrow
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:37:22 AM

The 360 has nothing more to offer, it's outdated.

What they're gonna keep releasing Halo forever lol?

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:46:56 AM

^^^Dumbest post ever.

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Jove
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 5:14:01 AM

It's all about staying neutral. Something seemingly imposible for us. Oh and we can't let video game be the center of our lives. Otherwise we'll get all crazy when someone comes with a different opinion than ours. I mean Im a movie buff and all but if someone says 'hey I think the dark knight sucks' then Im like "cool, that movie didn't have what you were looking for in a movie, which is fine.". I mean please it's not like you can be a Paramount loyalist or Warner Bros loyalist or anything. This is ridiculous. Web 2.0 is truly something else. A giant cesspool of whatever you want it to be.

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Bugzbunny109
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 5:31:49 PM

Joshua, calling people that only support sony douhe bags does absolutly nothing to calm the flames. It also shows that you are a fanboy that only came to this website for other reasons, OTHER than having CIVIL conversations about gaming in general.Your comments on this website have been rancid and pompous. PLEASE if you dont have anything positive to say or to conduce to this community; LEAVE.

@ To other users....

It is clear that a copious amount of users are at least somewhat baised. Calling the 360 "outdated" just attracts more 360 fanboys; trying to defend their system. PLEASE KEEP YOUR NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO YOURSELVES!

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crapreviews
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:14:55 PM
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This is why i really only read articles from certain sites.

Just really is surprising the limits people goto to try to belittle something.

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Advent Child
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:14:55 PM
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Well I can tell Ben has reached his final straw with these people.

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rezenu
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:15:36 PM
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AMEN.

Preach it.

Enough is enough already.

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MirrorSoul
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:15:46 PM
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....I am up in arms with you Ben....Shit like that makes every GOOD gaming publication Site or Magazine look very biased and bad, WTF the PS3 is a faliure of a system......yet Sony has sold 19 million of them DESPITE the price.Yes I will admit I dont believe Sony can truly catch up with the 360 install base until thwy hit the magic $250 price tag but dammit they are far from Dead. Sony has hickuped a little in this generation by letting the PS3 run on the BrandName itself for the first full year thus not generating the sale they would of wanted but they now are in a stronger position and are ready to kick ASSS!!!
....This guy has a major confusion between OPINION and FACT, Screw him Im just gonna laugh at it because when you ask anyone around name 3 great games that you will only find on XBOX 360 thats not Halo, or Gears (even though we all know Gears is on PC already and Halo will be in another year or so) they begin to think.....and the think pretty damn hard and admit to me that I have a point.
....Just to wrap all this up PS3 is here to stay, and with Halo running dry, and Microsoft not having many other Big Name Exclusive comparable to names such as GOD of War, Grand Tourismo, Uncharted, Twisted Metal, Metal Gear Solid, along with others that will make there debute within the next year and a half and the economy where it is thus ensuring me that the next generation of consules will be put off till 2011 - 2012 at the least, Sony will eventually have that BIG BOOM of sales we all have been waiting for, and I can trust you this will all begin with KillZone 2


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Deleted User
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:38:50 PM

lol im not even going to start.

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MirrorSoul
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:15:12 AM

Please Start if you do have valid points my good sir, its my god honest opinion to why that article is total bull.

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Murdi
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:17:20 PM
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Off topic:

Please tell me that Joshua360 (?) is banned.. Please.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:29:16 PM

Do you not see how banning someone based soley on the fact that he disagrees with you is exactly how these fanboy-fueled-flame wars start. He has crossed a line several times and has been warned. In general he is a valuable active member of this site. Unlike others who post 5 times in 3 months and then feel they have a right to ask for some one else to be banned. Think before you speak.

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Deleted User [Moderator]
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:39:36 PM

=]

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:44:45 PM

Hah, that was ice cold.

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ps92117
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:52:50 PM

shodow you back . though I agree with murdi and you can't say the same about me. well anyway you wan't to see why this fanboyism is reached limits, go to the playstation youtube channel, there is one guy that has devoted his life literally to post anti ps3 comments (every minute or so he post a new comment all directly attacks on ps3,he goes on with this from 8am to 3pm I have checked, so far 7/30/365 he changes his account every month to avoid getting in trouble) I am sure our side does the same. oh joshua should be given one last chance to redeem himself.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:43:27 AM

You at least participate within the community if you want to talk mess about Josh go for it (EDIT: within limits obviously). I just don't like someone who posts a comment once a month or so calling for someone to be banned. And as I've said before I don't think a stupider group of people exists than that of the "Youtube commenters"

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Deleted User [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:45:58 AM

Some comments on youtube make me lose hope in humanity.

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Advent Child
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:00:42 AM

I lost hope in humanity a long time ago Josh.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:03:15 AM

It happens right?

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Jed
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:33:35 AM

Unfortunately, it is happening more and more lately

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somethingrandom
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:17:45 PM
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Okay, I think it's time for you to send me your plans for the assassination. I'll be ready at a moments notice, for any and all actions required.

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NoSmokingBandit
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:18:28 PM
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Kids will be kids, i suppose. Thats why i stopped googling for ps3 news and keep this site bookmarked.
Thanks Ben for always posting well written articles backed up with facts and statistics, even if they arent always in the ps3's favor.
I find it interesting that in many of the past few articles you mention how you were playing through GeoW2 and how awesome it was. Have you ever seen these "journalists" telling their readers how much fun a game is on the other console?

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somethingrandom
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:34:32 AM

Yeah, I've also long had it bookmarked (since early 2007).

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:45:08 AM

I have it to. Always entertaining.

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Jed
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:36:34 AM

He'll, it's my second home page. Only after my after my e-mail

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:13:21 AM

I went threw alot of hard times lately..This site helps alot with keeping my mind of things.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 9:56:23 AM

Whats the hard times? Biting you fingernails as you watch the PS3 creep closer to the sales of your favorite system, and starting to understand that all the bad things you said about the PS3 aren't true?

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Arvis
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:03:12 PM

Wizard, don't be a jackass.

Video games are always a great way to keep our mind off our problems, even if only for a little bit. I'm going through a pretty rough time myself, but when I come to this site, all I'm thinking about is "Hey, this is interesting news..." and sometimes "Wait, have I designed enough ads so far today? (<-- my job)" :D

-Arvis

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 5:02:45 PM

No both my parents died and my girlfriend who was pregnant had a miscarriage.

Why dont you think before you speak. Just a thought.

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Aftab
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 8:27:54 PM

I hope you were just giving a hypothetical for him to check his assumptions, but if not...my sincerest condolences.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:52:12 PM

Thanks...

I try not to bring it up or think about it. Lets just disuse games on here tho ok? Thanks for the kind words tho.

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Aftab
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 12:41:46 AM

Whatever you need, guy. Cease-fire from my side, and best wishes.

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Deleted User
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 1:58:34 AM

Af

Im more thick skinned then most people here (babies wanting me banned)

If I say something and you disagree don't hesitate to lash out. But you have sure gained more respect from me.

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Tatsujin
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:22:00 PM
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I believe that Ben just s*** all over the fanboyism that has been going on. Good job Ben! And, as for journalists... this is why I don't listen to them, like I said before, if I like something IM making the decision to keep it.

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Deathstriker
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:22:36 PM
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POOR TO THE PLAYSTATION 3 PLAYER lol f*** xbox

anyways dude It's all you Ben. Don't be afraid say who you are lol

It's gotten way outta hand I don't know about anybody on here from the SC, but walk into wal-mart and say xbox suck's and them are fighting word's. I feel sorry for the Asain's who walk in there and because there what they are everyone assume's there with sony...

just last week i saw 2 dudes messing with some little boy cause he liked LPB...its all messed up

imma start carring a sword and get it printed "Your just mad cause my console was 1st" on it

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Deathstriker
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:26:30 PM
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ok mega mess up lol excuse my typing my keyboard's outt syn...its POWER TO THE PS3 PLAYER

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Norman D
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:32:38 PM
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seriously, I just registered now to tell you that you sir are a shining example to game journalists. It seems like half of what people call news these days is editorials of game "journalists" spouting their opinions on which console they like better as "facts" and you can see it everywhere with them writing entire articles devoted to talking about their own blatant fanboyism....the saddest part is that this is the kind of stuff that holds us all back this idealogical ignorance, being an intelligent gamer is hard because we seem to have this annoying, whiny, biased sibling that we'll always be associated with no matter how much more mature we are....

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Jed
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:43:30 AM

I know what you are talking about. That is the same reason I have been a supporter of this site. What really pisses me off are all the bloggers (like the guy who wrote that article about the ps3 being dead) being confused with real journalists like the great people at PSXE. Sorry about spelling, I'm typing with my iPhone

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chicko1983
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:41:28 PM
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these types of articles from Xbox biased fanboys will make playing Killzone 2 on my ps3 even more enjoyable. Too bad the author wont be online for me to snipe him...

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guincog
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:42:46 PM
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Why get so worked up over what some low rent blogger has to say about anything? It is the curse of N4G, really. Even the most worthless websites and worst articles get undeserved attention because fanboys hype up any article they can no matter whether the website in question has credibility or not.

In short; who really cares what fanboys have to say about anything? If a real website (i.e. not some stupid blog or confirmed fanboy cesspool ... like this one) actually posts something, then get angry. Just think, if N4G didn't exist most of these lame ass wannabe blogs wouldn't even exist.

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Jed
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:51:12 AM

The problem is that people are confusing the stupid bloggers with respectable journalists

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:49:05 PM
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But it's GamingTarget! What you never heard of them? Yeah me either.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:50:38 PM
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Here it goes...


1.Why does almost every PlayStation owner find it ok to go threw 3 PS2s then whine because of RROD?

2.Why does almost every PS3 owner think because a Xbox owner hasn't experienced RROD that hes lieing?

3. Why does Sony spin things around so much. Like the story about how sales where up 130 percent after black friday? HELLO!!

4. Why does almost every PS3 owner claim that because he likes the exclusives better on the PS3 that the Xboxs are "overrated" and crap.

5. Why does every PS3 owner alive tell me "you get what you pay for" but will NOT except live is the smoother and more active online service?

6. Why do most PS3 fans get mad because I dont want bluray? Do I get mad at you because you like it? No...

7. Why do Sony fans like to rave about the Xboxs past reliability(look up Jasper) but do nothing but talk about the future of the PS3?

8. Last and finally. Why dont we all just hate the Wii? We all know that thing is going to RUIN HD gaming with every console sold. And talk about no games my god. Would you really want the spiced up gamecube to be all our developers main priority?

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ps92117
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:56:11 PM

this is what i call not redeeming yourself, are you ok with this shadow?

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ec0li
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:04:22 AM

lol

It seems like you've been wanting to get all of that off your chest for a while now. Breathe.

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LCF
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:05:25 AM

JA360 as a follow gamer just trade your X360 in before march cause gamestop wont take them after that.Since you like the PS2 more than the PS3,GO PLAY IT! Sony is STILL supporting it.Microsoft has blinded you son.You need to go back to basics.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:07:28 AM

I see NONE have stepped up and realized these facts.

But am I surprised? Not really..

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eLLeJuss
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:07:33 AM

:O. the wii has the old people on its back. so yeah. LoL.

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:13:10 AM

LCF U are acting like a fanboy yourself, oh and joshua have you by any chance visited g4 before and created an account with the name joshua 360 just wondering?

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:13:35 AM

1. PS2 is 10+ years old. Going through 3 PS2s in a span of 10 years is not good but it has nothing on going through 3 360s in less than 6 months. (As of last week I now personally know 3 people this has happend to.

2. Because they are? JK couldn't resist. The statistics simply don't show that, that is likely. If it hasn't happened to you great. You're very lucky. People say they saw Bigfoot or were abducted by aliens on the internet all the time too. It doesn't make it true. You can't give text a lie detector test.

3. Sony is a corporation. They are just as manipulating as any other. You show me a company that doesn't twist things to appear in the best light and I'll show you a shitty PR department.

4. This one is untrue and you know it. There are a ton of fanboys out there. Nothing the world can do about it. (Halo however is overrated. I don't give a f*** what you say. :p)

5. I am a PS3 owner. Live is usually smoother and definitely more active. However there isn't 50 dollars worth of smoothness there and in my expirience an extremely large portion of that active community should be court mandated to have their vocal chords permanently removed.

6. I agree. at this point for many (most?) living situations Bluray is completely irrelevant if you have a good upscaling DVD player. But The Dark Knight and Serenity on Bluray is God's gift to man kind and to say any difference is blasphemy :P

7. Jasper is a fairly minor step as far as I can tell. Until ALL of the old ones are off of shelves though it is difficult to say for sure. And we look forward to the future because, well... the past has finally stopped haunting the PS3. Most of Sony's earlier mistakes have been rectified completely (rumble, lack of software, over confidence, etc.) While at this point 360's biggest issue has simply gotten a cute little band-aid called Jasper.

8. Changing the subject eh? lol. I've made my thoughts about the Wii known. Don't feel like going into it again. Basically the Wii is it's own industry. Don't compare it to PS3 and 360.

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Deleted User [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:14:09 AM

No I havent. This and Xbox are the only forums iv ever joined.

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:23:01 AM

K just wondering but you probably see why I don't fully trust you, seeing as it is such a huge coincidence.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:24:39 AM

@PS: No I'm not a big fan of defending him and then him posting this but. What ev' it happens.

He is still firmly on the correct side of the line though. I've seen almost all these arguments before. It is an extremely dumb way to make his point however.

Translation: "Some 360 fans say dumb things but plenty of PS3 fans say dumb things too."

"Some" Josh, not "all". I get that you were exaggerating on purpose but that word gets you into hot water.

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Deleted User [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:25:09 AM

For Shadow.

1. It wasent ten years for me, more like 4.

2. Honestly a couple of my friends haven't had a problem. Most do...but my friends PS3 broke on him to. Doesn't mean I think they all do.

3. Manipulating works when your dealing with idiots. But most here are smarter then that.

4. Halos not overrated. I think many agree with me.

5. When Sony clears up the issues. Makes more trophies and supports more games ill be interested. Also mostly everyone I know has a 360 so I can play with my friends dont have to play with idiots.

6. Bluray is for sure badass. But I dont have a problem with DVD just yet. Maybe when they drop the movie prices.

7. The jasper is MUCH cooler and quieter then the falcon. With a redesigned motherboard and much better cooling for the power brick. I could go on about the other changes if you want? But I might lose the slower people here.

8. Wii sucks. Just admit it.

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Deleted User [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:25:57 AM

PS

That is weird. Do I have a stalker?

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:26:24 AM

It's not that huge a coincidence Joshua is an extremely common name (I know 7 + myself). And 360 is common for all kinds of things especially on a site like G4.

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Deleted User [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:30:26 AM

That kinda pisses me off. Hes not like me is he? I dont want us getting confused.

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:42:08 AM

I still see huge coincidence, and no joshua I am not stalking you it just so happens that i visit many site related to gaming, so why would you say that i am stalking you if you claim not to be this person, oh and you tell me are you like that? OK seems as if your comment has double meaning are you implying that i am the stalker or that the so call impersonator is the one stalking?

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:43:51 AM

I was talking about him not you.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:06:27 AM

1. The PS2's defective:sold ratio for over 6 years running now puts it at about 1-3%. The 360 has never even come close to that mark. Why does every Xbox idiot think the PS2 problems kept on after 2001?

2. Because most are. The failure rate was 1 in 3 at one point. It's called stats.

3. Microsoft doesn't do anything BUT "spin."

4. I've never said that once and neither did anyone here.

5. Why do the Xbots refuse to accept there is ZERO difference between Live and the Network except for a few frills only the diehards care about?

6. No one's mad. Of course, saying you don't care about Blu-Ray is like saying you don't care about superior quality. Your choice.

7. I don't even know what this means.

8. I do hate the Wii. I don't see Wii supporters slamming the PS3 every chance they get like the Xbots.

I'm pretty sick of you, actually. Next time, I'm not even going to reply. Just ban. As far as I'm concerned, you exist only to cause problems.

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Advent Child
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:07:12 AM

I had the same old PS2 since launch and it lasted me until I sold it for my PS3.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:11:26 AM

Why? How is it fair to write a whole article then I cant say a couple things?

I never talk about hating the PS3. Im just being FAIR in my defense of my favorite maker. Just like you.

Yeah I can be controversial. But I will ALWAYS admit when your right ben. I have before, and when you say anything I agree on I congrat you. When you say something I disagree on I will tell you. I know not all are in that group above. Thats why I said "most".

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:19:04 AM

"7- I don't even know what this means." That quote, FTW.

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MirrorSoul
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:20:22 AM

There not PROVEN facts josh there your opinons on what you have seen people do and say

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chaosrunner
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 7:50:06 AM

1) I had one PS2. Never crapped out on me, though the disc slide did definitely start showing its age towards the end.

2) I don't. I know people who have had only one 360. I also know people who have gone through several. YMMV.

3) Marketing. All companies do it.

4) Same reason a lot of 360 owners do the same to PS3 titles: fanboyism.

5) I've never told you that. From what I know of Live (and I've never used it myself), it's still a more robust service, which makes sense because you're paying for it. You're probably hearing from the vocal minority, same as I often hear from the vocal minority of 360 owners who are intellectually challenged.

6) See #4

7) I'm not sure what you mean by this. Could you expand upon it?

8) Hate is a waste of energy.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:48:42 PM

Joshua: You're NOT being fair. Nothing you wrote is even remotely accurate. If it was, I would have given you credit for it, but it's not. Plain and simple.

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kash
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:55:45 PM


1."Why does almost every PlayStation owner find it ok to go threw 3 PS2s then whine because of RROD?"

The people I know with PS2s are all on their first one. I wouldn't be surprised if some start to break down, no electronics last forever (especially ones with moving parts).

2."Why does almost every PS3 owner think because a Xbox owner hasn't experienced RROD that hes lieing?"

I don't think most people think this. It is true that a high number of Xbox owners experience RROD. This is validated by the fact that Microsoft extended warranty for this sole reason. If they admit there is a problem, then there certainly is one. I'm sure that this problem has been either reduced or eliminated in newer models.

3."Why does Sony spin things around so much. Like the story about how sales where up 130 percent after black friday? HELLO!!"

Marketing. Everyone does this. Why wouldn't you?

4."Why does almost every PS3 owner claim that because he likes the exclusives better on the PS3 that the Xboxs are "overrated" and crap."

Again, your stereotyping off of vocal PS3 'fanboys'. Only a low percentage of PS3/Xbox360 owners comment on articles of frequent message boards. And of these few individuals the most vocal ones are usually the fan(boys/girls).

5."Why does every PS3 owner alive tell me "you get what you pay for" but will NOT except live is the smoother and more active online service?"

I've never has issues with PSN. I'd rather not pay as Sony/Microsoft are only hosting the account services and match making services. Game servers are typically not hosted by Sony or Microsoft, but rather on one of the player's machines. An example of an exception to this is that Sony has some ps3's running Warhawk servers.

6."Why do most PS3 fans get mad because I dont want bluray? Do I get mad at you because you like it? No..."

Your want or lack of want of blu-ray is of no concern of mine :).

Though I do enjoy my Blu-ray. So pretty.

7."Why do Sony fans like to rave about the Xboxs past reliability(look up Jasper) but do nothing but talk about the future of the PS3?"

Of course fanboys love to use Xbox failure rate as a tool to tend the fire. And of course Xbox fanboys respond in kind by making outrageous claims. Anyone see the article that claimed Sony was dropping the PS3 ><...

Its best to just ignore them :).

8."Last and finally. Why dont we all just hate the Wii? We all know that thing is going to RUIN HD gaming with every console sold. And talk about no games my god. Would you really want the spiced up gamecube to be all our developers main priority?"

While I am not a fan of the Wii, it is an awesome console for its target market. While the Wii is doing phenomenal, I do not think its target market produces as many software sales per user as does the Xbox and Ps3. I don't think the Wii will kill the other consoles, but coexist. It was probably the smartest move by Nintendo to go after a different market as they would not have faired well this generation in the Xbox/Ps3 market.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:10:32 PM

Nicely said Kash.

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Deadman
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 1:06:10 PM

Josh I'm not picking on you dude but you say the Wii is going to kill HD gaming but earlier in the same comment/post you and I'm paraphrasing that you don't give a rip about HD movies or Blu-ray. Why do you care if you games are HD and not your movies?

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SilverLion
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 10:16:25 AM

Ok, I'm late on this, but I wanted to chime in anyway.

1. I've had 2 PS2s in 8 years, and only because I *thought* I could replace a laser myself. Games were getting slower and I read that the laser might be going. Note: If it ain't *completely* broke, don't fix it!

2. The only person I've asked that has a 360 has had 6 now. No kidding. Another has gone through 2 in 3 years (and had to buy the second retail because he didn't have the receipt for the first when he got the RROD). The only other person I know with a 360 has only had it like 5 months, but no problems. (I'm older, so most of my friend don't play games anymore)

3. I agree with Shadow. Its a corporation. BTW, they all spin everything. Most of the numbers you see aren't retail units sold, its untils shipped/sold from the manufacturer (20M vs 28M) *to retailers/outlets*. I can't find where MS publishes their numbers. all the numbers I see are from interviews. If they put out 28M units, and 2M of those go to replacements, that does affect things. There are marketing companies out there that compile sales from retailers, but they usually charge for that info.

4. I like the hardware better. I like the layout of the controller better; I couldn't get used to the analog sticks on the XBox. Most of the games I have are multi-platform. I honestly don't care what exclusives MY platform has. I just notice when another platform has a game that I want and can't get. Good thing for me most of the games I want on the 360 come out for PC. And to top it off, I don't like FPSs. :D

5. I'm sure Live is smoother. After a few years of practical use, it should be. Then again, I'm not much for online stuff, so I don't really care. :) PSN should be improving, probably duplicating all the functionality of Live as a starting point.

6. BluRay is a medium, that's it. Now, saying you don't like HD is... uh... fine... but that's something else altogether. Saying you *don't* want the ability to fit 50GB (or more) of HiDef game content onto a single game disc... that's just silly ina HD gaming world. That was always a weakness of HD-DVD on the 360; All it could do was play movies. Good thing MS was hedging their bets on that one.

7. Not sure what reliability and future have in common. Ok. PS3 has a better proven reliability, to date. PS3's and the 360's future is unsure. We can only guess. I know the 360 won't be able to do HiDef 3d Games.. they don't have enough capacity on a single DVD.

8. :)) Dude, I have the Wii and I'm the only one that complains about the POS. I like it, but it seems to be pretty cheap (as far as construction and durability). It's not a current-gen system, nor is it HD. Its a completely different niche. I can't say I've heard of someone passing up a 360 or PS3 in favor of a Wii! My wife and kids love it though, and I like Wii Fit. I tried getting a game for myself on it and was horribly dissapointed (Dragon Quest Swords... I was hoping for something along the lines of DQ8). Its a good family system, but I would never get a game for myself on it again.

For what its worth, I think both systems will find a niche, and neither will be going anywhere. We may see development diverge in differing directions, though: gimmicky family games on the Wii, Mid- to High-end games on the 360, moving towards mutliple discs, and more cutting edge and high-end games for the PS3. It would be nice for 360 owners if somehow MS could make a BluRay add-on that could play games off of BR media.

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LCF
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:51:23 PM
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Ben, Xbots dont realize that microsoft screwed them over and hurt the industry with all the damn DLC too.Just read what the ex designer did to Tomb Raider:Underworld.Microsoft paid for DLC on the X360 ver,so what they did was took the completed game and broke it apart and sold the parts as DLC.All because mircosoft wanted DLC only for the X360.Thats just one of many stories like this.

For the life of me as a gamer,with all the problems listed above(RROD still an issue on the jasper) gamers still buy from microsoft?
Everyone should be asking,can we trust microsoft?.It's only about money with microsoft.Sony heard our complaints and did alot of changing for the sake of its gamers in the past 2 years from launch.

Sony even wanted to advance the console market.So what they do? Develope a new high capacity disk (blu-ray).Make HDMI standard,pay IBM to help design a radical new chip that Intel is now making a Cell type processor.Making the PS3 the best damn player on the market for Blu-rays and DVDs alike.Having some of the best 1st and 2nd party developers...EVER!

Sony has done alot to advance the industry to the next gen and all these haters are just unreal.

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SilverLion
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 10:24:15 AM

Regarding the DLC, I have to lay the blame on the developers & publishers for this. Its an underhanded scheme on MS's part, sure, but they are cut-throat. But it was the developer/publisher that took the money to screw the paying public. Charge the same, and give them less. Talk about mercenary... Consumers remember, though. I just hope the Fallout 3 DLC for 360 and PC finds its way to a GOTY at some point.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:53:29 PM
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Ben it's gamingtarget. It's barely a real website the best thing I've seen on that site so far is an ad for Battlestar Galactica (4.5 starts Friday baby!). These blatant pleas for traffic only work if people link to them.

That being said. Most of this article is pure idiocy. I have trouble believing this "journalist" even has a high school diploma. (You know, what with his utter lack of deductive reasoning skills and all.)

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ps92117
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 11:59:44 PM

I agree with you there

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Phoelix
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:44:21 AM

The only solution to this fanboyism is with us. Naturally, we only have these knuckle-headed fanboy sites proclaiming false news because we're (actually, mostly NOT us, but you get the idea) willing to read them. If no one cared, then they wouldn't bother.

Matter of fact, Ben's article increased traffic to that website. That's advertising money in the hands of a moron. I fear for our future as a generation.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:38:03 AM

I didn't watch the whole video but there is another one on youtube that is about Aaron Rogers on the Packers. It uses that same movie and some of the same clips. If you are a Green Bay fan (or any football fan really) search "Hitler Packers" you won't be disappointed.

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Deleted User [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:43:03 AM

Thats funny you mention that. Because Greenbay is my favorite team.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:45:12 AM

Check it out no matter what side of the whole Favre/Rogers/Thompson saga you fall on it is damn good stuff.

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eLLeJuss
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:11:49 AM
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:O. What if M$ and Sony join forces xD. then everyone would be satisfied. And everyone would start bashing the wii. YeY! lolol. i can see it now... The X-station/Playbox.:O

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:13:17 AM

XStation and Playbox? LMAO what the hell?

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eLLeJuss
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:54:21 AM

LoL.. Who knows what the future might bring? :O

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:59:28 AM

I dont see that tho. They might work together with computers but I dont ever see gaming.

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Fane1024
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 5:50:37 PM

Much as I hate Microsoft, the last thing we need is a monopoly (part of the reason why I hate Microsoft).

Multiple systems = multiple solutions to the same problems = faster innovation.

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SilverLion
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 10:28:14 AM

Eh, MS isn't really a monopoly, they are just really good at selling stuff. They do use some underhanded methods to get market share (like their exclusive DLC) that just hurts the market. The one thing MS doesn't like is a level playing field.

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Shadow_Striker
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:13:23 AM
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Man! I love reading you articles they are GREAT! lol Always entertaining and (seems to me) less bias then sites that are multi-plat.

That article on the other site made me laugh..... All the games he said failed shows me the diversity that the console has. Although they may not have sold as much as people might have expected selling over a million is not exactly a failure.... well.... in my books anyways.....

I almost think that in part his post was a deliberate attempt to attract people .... well not people..... fanboys(from both sides) to the site and increase membership.

Journalism is not dead! this site proves it..... although to be fair and "unbiased" the other side does prove that it is being butt raped by morons....

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:25:24 AM

Thank you for using the words bias and biased correctly.

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:35:37 AM

lol sorry if my gramar is off but like i have said before I had not had english in a long time nor was I ever good on it, though acording to shadow its because i am lasy.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:45:54 AM

Its okay dude, its just been a running gag kinda thing and I got nothin better to do than make inane comments tonight. Keep up the good work.

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dlte
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:30:22 AM
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JoshuaAdam360:
what's your name on the Xbox forum?
is it PSJoshuaAdam3?
cuz that would just be too awesome.
and unrelated:
do you have a ps3 and 360?
and another unrelated:
left 4 dead, is it not awesome?

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:40:21 AM

Hell no lol

And I got a 360 Elite. Falcon and 120 GB.

As for Left4Dead I wouldn't know. Never played it.

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Jed
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:11:58 AM

Left for dead is the awesome. Really though I could play that game for hours. I love it.

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DarKn35s
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:52:13 PM

completely off subject but L4D got old to me fast with it having no story and lacked varity of guns.

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Skatejimmy5
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:34:50 AM
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I totally agree with you guys here at PSXE. Those little kids are not worthy of an Internet connection.

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Keegs79
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:35:17 AM
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I had to register just to say how ironic it is that YOU are talking so defensively of others when your completely a fanboy. First of all like every year, Microsoft doesn't lay everything out what it has planned every year. Sony has done that and that is why it seems to take forever for any of their announced titles to be released on store shelves. Don't throw out huge contender games such as Alan Wake and Splinter Cell: Conviction. Microsoft has nothing to do with the development of either titles. Microsoft isn't sitting back although they could.

Second, free play is great if things work well but if you haven't experienced XBL than its stream lined approach is user friendly. I have both PSN and XBL and I hands down will not take a PS3 game over the 360 version because of extended friend's list and user friendly interface.

I barely ever played my PS3 until LBP, MGS4, and Resistance 2 where released but those games made me a happy PS3 owner but it shouldn't have taken so long to do so. The games I enjoyed more often than not where only on the 360 or on the 360 before the PS3. Any case, I don't believe the 360 can contend with the PS3's slew of titles this year BUT it doesn't have to. Its installed base is impossible to catch up with. Look at december 1,350,000 compare do the PS3's 750,000. The gap is widening, not closing but in the end why does anyone care. Just play and enjoy the games you have and stop hating on each other's consoles. Most of you sound as if you need to hate on each other's consoles so you will feel secure about your purchase. In the end they all play games and that is what we ALL like to do!!!!


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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:10:28 AM

Been gaming for longer than you've been alive, most likely. Call me a fanboy again, and I'll just get rid of you, no questions asked.

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rowdy
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 7:01:23 AM

You should just push him into a Christmas tree.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 5:05:35 PM

Or sh** in his Easter basket.

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Kale
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:44:36 AM
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Since I have gotten into gaming the HD generation has clearly brought out the worst in gamers. I have learned that gamers on the web in general are the biggest whiners and moaners than probably every old age home in the world combined.
I propose we change title from gamer to consoleer.
Gamers are people that play games, game sites should write about games. Give some informative info on gaming, lately all I see are the 'console war' arguments seems like I read console sites not gaming sites.
I don't give a damb if I play my game on PS3 or on 360 or the effing Wii. I own all three. I play games cause I like playing games; I own all three consoles because I want the best gaming experience. I hate the fact that so many want the PS3 to fail. The only failures are the people who want others to fail. Why just cause the price is high. So then don't buy one, I personally think the PS3 offers allot as a console. It used to be Microsoft the evil corporation now it's MS the saint of consoles. (And fact is I bought my Xbox first and play most of my games on it)
Why not get back to the reason you bought the console. Lets moan and bitch about the crap quality of some of the games we receive, there's an argument for the betterment of all gamers.
Sony has made some bad press for it’s self. MS blundered with the RROD is this really a reason to act like a spoilt little child. Ironically gaming has matured but a lot of its audience hasn’t.

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SilverLion
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 10:35:06 AM

I agree with most of this, but I'd like to add one thing. I've read (no idea where) that MS knew about the failure rate before they released it, and released it anyway. Knowing MS, I find this believable, but I don't know if its true. While I *would* feel comfortable buying a 360 now, I definitely *would not* feel comfortable getting their next gen machine until at least a year after it was on the market. On the other hand, I got my PS3 months after it came out to the market. (It runs hot as hell though! I hear newer ones run cooler)

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AceTatsujin
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:46:27 AM
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Joshua 360 = Attention Whore.

Get lost. No really. You are as annoying as me taking big piles of s*** in the toilet.

Go back to 360 games and forums. This is not where you want to be.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:53:12 AM

With what a spoon? Then put them in your mouth and spit it into words on this site?

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:10:30 AM

Lol, I hate you Josh, but that was damn funny.

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dlte
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:49:09 PM

can't we all just get along? lol

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Scarecrow
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:47:00 AM
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*playing FFXIII on 360 for 2 hours* oh SH*T the RROD!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

But since most 360 users are kids and teens they'll just go back to Gamestop like litte b*tches and ask for it to be fixed :D . Or they'll probably beg over the phone:

"I dunnno..it it it stop...stopped w-w-working ya know"

Mind you the 360 has great games like Gears of War, and others.

But since the fanboys wanna make it 'bout the consoles and not 'bout the games then let us bash the console.

The 360 itself(without the games)is like sticking the middle finger in your face while taking your money. Multiple times for 3 years.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:11:53 AM

Lol, this was pretty funny to.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:08:41 PM

Damn Scarecrow you've pretty much nailed what I have to deal with on a daily basis at work, almost scary hahaha. But it's very true, most 360 users are children and if not then they are older Pro-American white males who will say crap about any other country but our own. It's funny when you see those guys come running in for their Live cards and buy the cheapest they can to only come back in 4 weeks for more. As for me, I'm always online, thats why Free is awesome. I never have to resubscribe or pay any monthly fee, and I do the same thing the Xbox users do. Sometimes it's hard for some to understand, but when you don't know how to save money and just want to be a corporate whore then you'll just do whatever they say. Microsoft has been corrupt for as long as they have been around, and people have become so blind to it, they accept it. Xbox is no different. Sure we all may use windows, but that doesn't mean it's the best OS.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:49:13 PM

@DIsmael85
Thats why I roll with an Apple IMac. I love it! Pricey but I don't like M$. Not only that once you get a virus on a PC its practically over. If M$ does win and become sole console they will License your damn hardware to you. Watch what you ask for Xbots!

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Murdi
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:48:33 AM
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@SHADOW

Ok.. I don't post that often but that doesn't meant that I'm not a "valuable active member" of the site..

In fact, this site is my homepage and I recommended it to all my friends who have a PS3, I mean, I do not know how active that may be.. What I'm trying to say is(and I know that a LOT of users will agree with me) that "Joshua360" a LOT of times play the two face role, first he say something like "Mmm no thanks.. I stay with the 360 all the way" and I think "if you want you 360 over the PS3 so bad, so why posting here? why even come to this site with a 360 avatar?" You know.. Is so IRRITATING.

But hey.. Sorry anyway.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:56:12 AM

You can understand why such a comment out of the blue would be a little annoying as well though right? And after his next comment I almost wanted to delete my defense of him anyway so what can you do?

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:20:00 AM

Truth is shadow, Josh is only here because you are shielding him. You also can't really say that I'm not an active member of the site, since I've been on daily since november.

But that Josh geek does start alot of shit. I've commented on just about every new article the past few months, so I know what I'm talking about.

From what ben said about him in the post after yours defending him, Ben obviously doesn't care for the guy and admits he shouldn't be here. Very rarely the guy has valid input (id say 90% of things he says is irrelevent or just plain crap).

I wouldn't dare ask a Mod to ban him, but if this WAS my own site, I would require a further name change (I know you made him change it once, although it was very minor) and pay extra special attention to Josh's comments, as well as that Haimon guy.

I guess what I'm tryna say is that, I thought it was wrong of you to bash one of our own community members in defense of a delinquent, habitual offender who causes disruptions in every article he comments on. Just look at how many thumbs down the guy receives!

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kreate
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:13:19 PM

its not just shadow. xanavi23 worships josh as well.

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SmileyGrenades
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:48:55 AM
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After reading months of Ben's articles, and reading all the level-headed discussions from the community here, I couldn't help but register.

I can't agree with this article more. Hit up N4G, and every few news stories are linked to damn forum posts, and if it's not that, it's articles that are straight-up jealousy rants. For every positive note, there's 2 more negatives to follow. The strangest thing about these "news articles" (if you want to call them that), is that a lot of the people posting replies to these articles (the gaming community) are out-right slamming the authors. Take the KZ2-hating articles for example. You skim thru the BS the "supposed journalist" has just posted, and by the end on it, 95% of the responses are telling him/her to shove their article back in their mouth, and down into their ass from where it came from. I see more hate these days from the "unbiased" media more so than the gamers.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one thinking this, but could it be when Microsoft claimed it's stake in the North American gaming industry, that the US (mainly), and other North American-based media outlets suddenly rallied together in an effort to usher in the age of Microsoft and it's ambitious attempt at console gaming? As if North America suddenly had no reason to support the Playstation brand anymore because Microsoft was there to save the day for NA gaming?

It's almsot starting to feel like an East vs West battle in this generation of consoles. Call me crazy, but no matter where you turn, Sony and its PS3 are the bad guys now if you live in North America. "PS3 is finished", "2008 wasn't PS3's year, neither will 2009 be", "PS3 has no games to compete with", and my favorite as of late is "Killzone 2 is pretty-- but how does it play?". It's so much biased hate, it's nearing the point of propaganda. I'm beginning to wonder if sites and other publications are ACTUALLY being paid off, or if it's pure ignorance spawned from patriotic pride?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:30:49 AM

Bad mojo to feel good about yourself only when others falter.

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Sir Shak
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:48:18 AM

josh take off your ' sarah palin 2012 ' t-shirt and your ' i still love john mccain ' underwear and realise that there is a tiny place outside america called ' the rest of the world ' .
baffling , right ?

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Blaiyan
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:52:29 AM
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Let the Haters hate. I don't value them nor their opinion. I wouldn't have even known about this if I hadn't read about it here. Some rig who hates playstation won't stop me from enjoying the many games I have, will buy in the future nor the features of the PS3.

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FreQaZoiD
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:15:40 PM

i second that opinion

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:52:50 AM
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Alright guys have fun I'm taking the rest of the night off. Don't flame each other too hard while I'm away.

And yet another article with an ton of comments really quick. This one doesn't look like a record breaker to me though.

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eLLeJuss
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:56:55 AM

LoL, so whats the record?

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:57:34 AM

You never know.

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eLLeJuss
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:56:27 PM

so, whats the record? this is the article with the most comments i've seen here :)

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 2:19:48 AM

Wow. I was not only wrong but wrong on a spectacular level. I figured this whole thing would have fanned down by noon. Anyway this article now has the record for most posts (unless someone has been posting like hell to the other one after it left the front page) AND probably the record for fastest to (100, 200, and 300) posts. Definitely fastest to 300. Good show I say.

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RedRingAvenger
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:53:53 AM
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I normally would not do this considering, how much I play all games, except SPORTS, people waiting 4 the next f'n EA Tiburon game is like waitn 4 for the retard kid to win an academy award.

1st I'd like 2 say in the MS XBOX POS situation, is never in my life have i seen a more horrible system built. The 360 is like what if an Atari Jaguar, had a love child w/Panasonic 3DO, burn it with the cigar.

2nd I do know where my money went dips****, it's called respective quality control. Yeah I give a sh** less about Blu-Ray, but Sony is their third system for a reason, it's called outstanding IP's, Something Microsoft will never learn, and 4 U simps that's in house productions. I don't know about you but when I buy a car, i'd like it with motormounts, ergo no F'n scratched games, so for all who buy Final Fantasy & other multidisc games be prepared 2 buy an whole new set, cause of 1 disc.

3rd i'd hope 2 GOD 360 had more games, since it's only DVD discs, & not HD, have u seen the hot horse shit on 360

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FreQaZoiD
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:24:05 PM

I think "IP" in gaming terms means Intellectual Property. A correctly used example would be: "Halo is an IP of Bungie which developed the game exclusively for the XBox." OR "Gran Turismo is an IP of Polyphony Digital which developed the game exclusively for the PlayStation."

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:59:19 AM
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there is fanboyism on both sides i agree shadow, however I see joshua's comment as being very igorantly bias, and considering the fact that he is fully aware of what type of site this is , his comments are truly intended to cause problems ,this I consider a reason enough as to get banned? and again I agree with ps3 fans doing the same, i my self have posted bias comments before.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:01:31 AM

Raise your hand and tell time I see.

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SmileyGrenades
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:21:33 AM

I've only been registered for about an hour, but I have to ask the ppl in here:

Is this JoshuaAdam360 guy worth responding to? Signs point to "not really"..

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:33:43 AM

"ignorantly biased." For God's sake people.

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:38:37 AM

oh got it though don't want to make new enemys plz accept apology worldendswithme.

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:03:10 AM
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and ben congratz with this articles this site will truly grow specialy with the the help of google news.

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somethingrandom
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:11:26 AM
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Off Topic: So, I was on Home the other day and these idiots told me that government is actually necessary for the world to go on lol.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:36:13 AM

wow that was something random

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:40:06 AM

lol it might have been me and random indeed.

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Murdi
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:25:41 AM
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@SHADOW

I guess nothing.. Let's forget this little discusion and go on with the main thread of the article.

=)

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:29:22 AM

Thats mature of you to not take shadow's comments to heart. I personally don't like how he tried to act as if your comment didn't matter just because you don't comment a lot.

I usually don't have a problem with shadow or ben, but sometimes shadow does use his Mod status as a way to make some feel inferior.

I tip my hat to you Murdi, because you showed maturity and restraint. I couldn't have done it. I would have cussed him out or left the community.

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RedRingAvenger
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:29:10 AM
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4th lets get something straight Online gaming or whatever U wanna call it now, sucks monkey balls. Hey I got an idea let's charge a $130 for an battle mode, and 2 help you out with that, take this portable toilet cap called a crap, uh mean replica helmet. I swear look at almost every online game for the 360, and it's all guns no story. It's people stupidity that breeds this, $70 dollar game, & $10 goes for enjoyment "Yeah." One thing people gotta get straight too is that if 360's online play was worse than PS3, then something is wrong, since I don't know, they've only been the in business of software for how long, my point exactly!
Here some great exclusives for the great 360, get'em while they're HOT, a whole mess load of Cabela's games, Nintey Nine Nights, Bullet Witch, Burger King Games, Bomberman, Too Human, Two Worlds, Mass Effect, Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo, Conan RPG, Final Fantasy xi, Bee Movie, Bolt, Crackdown, Guilty Gear Overature, Jumper, Hour of victory, great line-up BOOOOO!

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 5:04:43 AM

Again..What are you talking about?

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MetalHead09
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:05:32 AM

ummmm wow and what part of that was supposed to make sense?

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:31:08 AM

RedRing..you're a PS3 fanboy...I hate them just as much as xbox fanboys. Do us a favor and shut the hell up.

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FLYING_APE
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:39:59 AM
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OH crap this is hilarious. Ben you should send this argument to that site

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Fireaxe888
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:46:34 AM
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Ok,the features are not that important. Bottom line-the ps3 is an expensive sales flop and is getting murdered by sales figures from both the 360 and the wii.The 360 is doubling the sale sof the ps3 very month.And yes,the wii is "this-gen".Way too many people base generations on graphics alone,not gameplay.And actually,the wii is the most advanced console out at the moment.Go ahead,flame me,I don't care.
One last thing-I've been a nintendo fan all my life,and I loved my ps2.

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Scarecrow
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:53:46 AM

Even when the difference between the two is a mere 8 to 9 million?

Sure it's SOOOOOOO struggling

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:56:36 AM

this is not such a bad argument (joshua plz take notes) oh and I don't see how wii is the most advances plz explain. is it because of the controller's capacitys.

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LCF
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:57:25 AM

Im happy that nintendo is making money considering the gamecube was in limbo since it came out and nintendo was in the hole.But nintendo did not move the industry forward like the PS3 did and the X360 when it 1st came out in 05.The X360 was more advance then PC at the time,but it did not take long for PC to take it back.

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MetalHead09
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:09:42 AM

how exactly is the ps3 a sales flop?? dont talk like the ps3 already failed or anything when the ps3 is catching on a little more everyday. if sony would be a little more aggressive with the advertising im sure saled would be right up there with the 360.

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Fireaxe888
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 7:33:07 AM

I actually like the ps3-The hardware is very advanced.But it's just too difficult to program for and is overpriced,compared to the xbox 360 and wii.I take that back-It isn't a sales flop,it's just in third place in its generation with respectable sales.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:39:03 AM

Fireaxe you finally top Josh as my all time most hated person in history. Did you not read the article? Ben posted comments about everything you said, and you still tried to bring the very things up he already smacked down.

You sounded so stupid it literally makes me want to throw-up over how stupid someone can be. You make humans look bad yo...

And to think I have never seen you on this site before, which means you registered just to say that dumb sh** makes you a idiotic loser with way too much time on his hands. Stick to your Wii fansites and don't post here unless you speak intelligently.

Really...the Wii is the most advanced console on the market? I'd say the xbox from last generation is more advance...

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Fireaxe888
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:19:50 PM

I just made a reasonable argument,and you started insulting me.Accept it-Better graphics do NOT equal innovation and creativity. Yes,the wiimote is basically a souped up Power Glove.Ah,the good old days.When the internet was not ridden by the wars of the 360 and sony fanboys,when all was at peace in the console world.

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MetalHead09
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:59:43 PM

@fireaxe, dont bring up arguments that are a thing of the past, the ps3 may have bin harder to program at launch but most if not ALL of the developers have said its no big deal anymore and they are having a great time trying to figure out what that system is made of. come back with something that holds water or just give up already.

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karneli lll
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:53:54 PM

scarecrow, LBP is nowhere near 4 mil

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SilverLion
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 11:51:55 AM

Yeah... about that...

As far as current generation, that doesn't mean revamping old technology (PSX had motion sensing controllers). The controllers aren't that accurate, and they have a poor range. Current Gen is the Next Gen of a few years ago. It means extending the experience to encompass the latest changes in the industry. i.e. HD TVs, surround sound, etc.

The systems really *don't* compete. Wii has created a niche in family-friendly short attention span gaming. Games that not only everyone in the family can play, but everyone can enjoy. You *won't* see fallout 3 on the Wii unless it gets a major content overhaul.

Comparing the Wii to the 360 or PS3 is like comparing a scooter to a sedan. They both get you where you're going, but with a completely different experience. Conceivably I could buy a scooter and a sedan, based on how I want to travel and how far I'm going. In the same vein, comparing a 360 to a PS3 is like comparing two different sedans with different features. And how many people would buy two different sedans, just for that difference? (other than Diddy)

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Scarecrow
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:52:56 AM

lol wow struggling, yet MGS4 sold 4M+, LBP 4M+

The ps3 doesn't have RROD problems
Free online

Leads in Japan and Europe

So what did you say 'bout struggling?

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:06:09 AM

Bens far from a idiot..You can make points without the names. It gives you credibility.

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:08:28 AM

k how many 360 where sold by the end of last year. the wii's huge success is do to the fact that it does not compete with 360 and ps3 as it targets completely different demographic , it's like saying movies are being sold much more rapidly than vg therefore vgs are struggling. library argument, no need to go there seen as you have not a clue, psn<=>live completely personal opinion which also says much bout your knowledge. I wonder what you say of 09. Oh and cut the fuking crap you have no ps3.

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MetalHead09
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:21:14 AM

@snyper, ben has already put the whole "xbox has more games" argument to rest, ben put statistics up in an article and there was like a 20 game difference over all between the 2 consoles so take that argument and shove it. the ps3 has plenty of aaa goodness to please any gamer unless that gamer is as blind and stupid as you. i play my ps3 online and ive had NO and i mean NO problem with reliability with the servers or games since launch. sony may not be the quickest to get something out the door but when they do get it out its reliable and works unlike the crap60 with the rrod and so on. the ps2 only has bugs for the first year or 2 or close to that but the crap60 has had bugs continuously throughout its lifecycle and even now. it is rare to see a broken ps3. how many of the 360's on those stupid sales stats are broken or repaired? you just keep suckin on ms's tits and throwing your money away and ill just keep playing my ps3 cause that where the reliability and fun is. id own a 360 if it wasnt a piece of junk cause some of the games that you guys have look cool but until ms can build something thats going to work (unlike 360 and windows) ill just keep sticking to sony for my gaming needs.

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:52:52 AM
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300 by tomorrow noon.

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RedRingAvenger
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:57:21 AM
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Whoa i'm not done yet folks, here r the super sellers, u know the ones singalong gang,
Gears of War-Hey Delta where the Hell is this game resonating from.
Halo-Lets go from great space novel, to Van Dammes Universal Soldier
Fable-Hey everyone I'm a lifeless Zelda wanna be, now w/Halo gear
Mass Effect-I should be on P.C only, sorry guys
RPG's-why don't we get any luv, is it my depth.
OH Ninja Blade, I liked it when it was called Shinobi, & Ninja Gaiden
My parting gift 2 you & yours is yellow cake, & putting, well here's proof Microsoft sucks. Shadowrun, company puts out a shitty shooter, they get paid go under, who turns that into a shooter. GT Interactive, paid go under you the Abe games, that flourished on ths PSX, Rare's next, cause the 360 is not kid friendly at all, with the super duper Pokemon ripoff Viva Pinata.
By the way I own all three systems but I'm not stupid only people who call themselves true gamers F a achievement/Trophy my true skill shines through just fine, Years make Dynasties, not Sales

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OU812
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:59:14 AM
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Hey Ben, sometimes I wonder if these negetivity is spawned by " sponsored rival corporate means. As one product rep mentioned to me, its like this. 2 person stranded in a boat in the middle of the ocean, and someone's gonna die. Whos gonna eat who to survive?

I've noticed it also more and more as well. As the Ps3 starts to gain faster momentum the hate WILL get alot worse. Although it will be an empty one and a lost cause Playstation will hold its ground as most quality products do. I know alot of important devs are coming around and embracing the PS technology.

Peace \/

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AceTatsujin
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:17:56 AM
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lmao this article is gaining tons of heat.

THREE SIXTY IS DOOMED! HURRY XBOTS, MAKE MORE 'PS3 SUCKS AND ITS GOING TO DIE' ARTICLES. GO NOW GO NOW.

Sony is a big effing company, morons. They've been around the global for decades and they've made enough money to spend. And as for the PS3, it is gaining ground, faster than what you xbots think.

PS3 rocks, I'm going to sleep. =P

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Random_Steve
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:18:36 AM
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Have you read their other article 'why 2008 was the year for the 360...and why 2009 will be too' it's absolutly retarded. they claim that the xbox has achievements, something that playstation doesnt! do you think they've actually been on a PS3 in the past year or so? They also say that our only two good exclusive (tekken and FFXIII) are on the xbox aswell. K2, GOW3, Uncharted 2, dont they count?

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RedRingAvenger
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:23:57 AM
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"Hey I got a new, I got a new idea"said the Microsoft man to the press.
"what is it" said the the press
"l'm gonna create WannaMii, I mean avatars" said the Microsoft man.
You know ever1 is talkn about respective figures, wtf for none ever C that, stop actin like these MF's pay you or owe you money.
Nity Gritty, Nintendo's here 2 stay, there the only true VG company and the bloody system war was SEGA vs Nintendo get over it, they don't make over expensive T.V., Crappy Software Apps, just games, for them not 2 delve into HD department maid their system less cost productive, & automatically gave them the number 1 slot, leaving the pack of wolves 2 battle. Nintendo's controller has been done 1nce it's called the Power Glove, OH No he didn't! It's also see a companies product, like the Sony Walkman get dethroned by the PSX with countless awards, and finally taken games where the need 2 go, why u think the N64 was such trash, it's called CD's duh, when 3rd parties want to evolve, money has blinded the census.

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RedRingAvenger
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:23:59 AM
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"Hey I got a new, I got a new idea"said the Microsoft man to the press.
"what is it" said the the press
"l'm gonna create WannaMii, I mean avatars" said the Microsoft man.
You know ever1 is talkn about respective figures, wtf for none ever C that, stop actin like these MF's pay you or owe you money.
Nity Gritty, Nintendo's here 2 stay, there the only true VG company and the bloody system war was SEGA vs Nintendo get over it, they don't make over expensive T.V., Crappy Software Apps, just games, for them not 2 delve into HD department maid their system less cost productive, & automatically gave them the number 1 slot, leaving the pack of wolves 2 battle. Nintendo's controller has been done 1nce it's called the Power Glove, OH No he didn't! It's also see a companies product, like the Sony Walkman get dethroned by the PSX with countless awards, and finally taken games where the need 2 go, why u think the N64 was such trash, it's called CD's duh, when 3rd parties want to evolve, money has blinded the census.

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Jed
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:38:04 AM

Please! For the love of god take an english class. I have no idea what you are trying to say. Ever hear of a comma, or a period? It's called qoutation

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 5:01:50 AM

What are you saying?

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:47:29 AM

RedRing! shut the hell up you uneducated fool! there needs to be a 18+ age limit to this site...

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bearbobby
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:45:44 PM

Sorry, but I've got to agree with the others. We welcome your input, but please, try to present your opinions in a more digestible format.

Leaving grammar and punctuation aside, sorting your thoughts with paragraphs at the very least would be appreciated I'm sure. It's just easier on the eyes and helps bring your points more into focus.

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King James
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:32:29 AM
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I read that post int that link, Ben. WOW!! That was so bad I think it give me a brain tumor. All the facts he used were interpreted into a false opinion. It was almost sad. Who keeps letting these idiots speak?!

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:33:58 AM
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ms does like to pay lol, I have always wonder which company is bigger sony or ms ,please dont post what you think but what you know.

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mbg77
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:39:21 AM

@ps92117
According to MS and Sony financial statements it would seem, that Sony is bigger in terms of revenue ($90 bln vs $60 bln) but MS beats the crap out of Sony in terms of net profit ($18 bln vs $4 bln).
That's pretty much why M$ can buy whatever exclusive they pretty much want.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 5:01:01 AM

MS has MUCH more money then Sony. Also Sony is planing to lose money this year.

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SilverLion
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 11:58:42 AM

:D Joshua, I like the phrasing of that! I don't think they were *planning* on losing money; they're planning on posting a loss. But then again, maybe they were planning on losing money. :)

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aaronisbla
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:59:03 AM
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Hey all isn't lost ben, take a look!:

http://blog.360magazine.co.uk/uncategorized/competition-check-killzone-edition/

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:09:05 AM
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Gotta love the title of the article, it's deadpan like a wartime newspaper: "PS3 Hate Boils Over, Fanboy 'Journalists' Embarrass The Industry" that's how you get people's effing attention. Too bad it brings in the gomers, but we see them come and go like their bricked consoles.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:43:10 PM

Love your Humor! LOL!

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MetalHead09
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:02:11 PM

lol

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:30:05 PM

God save me from my fans.

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judono1980
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:57:14 AM
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the only ones i see tryin to justify anybodys purchase wether it be a wii or 360 at a best buy or gamestop or in forums like this are the ps3 fanboys. so they could take whatever they say with a grain of salt because at the end of the day word of mouth and articles like this one full of very biased comments become a form of advertisement.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:44:42 PM

Uh oh! Someone didn't read the article!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:35:21 AM

Dude, whatever you just said doesn't make any sense, I'm not saying I disagree with you, I'm saying your statement actually has no substance even resembling cohesive thought.

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MetalHead09
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:31:44 AM

ummm dude we dont have to justify our purchase, the games have already done that for us. so how do you justify spending hundreds of dollars multiple times on a flawed system? my 400 dollars will last years to come while your purchase is a gamble between scratched disks (ive bin hearing a lot about that lately) or rrod.

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CreamCracker
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:16:03 AM
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in my opinion, the only reason that makes the 360 to be a successful sales is the piracy.

I saw people playing Gears of War 2 two months before launch..same with FableII

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SilverLion
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 12:01:21 PM

Dang, now I HAVE to get a 360....

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:37:32 AM
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Lets take your editorial apart a bit, shall we?

1. The FACT is that PS3 sold horribly in november. There is not ifs, buts, or anything about it. November (and probably december - but we dont have those numbers yet) was an awful month. And it doesn't matetr what the reason for those sales difference.

2. The biggest games PS3 had in the holiday season were reseitance 2 and LBP - and those sales were no where near as good as expected.

3. The only way you can say the gap between 360 and PS3 sales is falling, is when looking at the worldwide sales, because if you look at the US sales, whihc AFAIk is what most people on this site care about, the gap is widening.

4. Game sales and 3rd parties don't really care much about head starts, and stuff like that - they care about game sales. It doesn't really matter why more 360 games are selling. All that matters is that they do.

Yes, I realise you will ban me for saying you are a fanboy, but thats what you are. You are either blind to it, or simply want to keep telling yourself you are not.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:50:54 AM

You failed, we were already doing the list thing a while earlier.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:58:40 AM

Besides the name calling he has points tho. The 360 not only has the most sales but also the highest attach rate. The PS3 is also harder to work on.

If you where in the business what would your priority be?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:43:01 AM

1. The FACT is that Gears 2 came out in November and everyone buys hardware based on software. The PS3 outsold the 360 for several months in mid-2008 because MGS4 came out. Get it straight, genius.

2. Look! A fanboy going to sales again! Two of the highest scoring games of the year are crap because they didn't sell as well as expected...excellent logic.

3. No, I look at all regions, and maybe you should, too.

4. ...wow, and how does this mean anything?

The rest is too stupid for words. You're gone.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:51:39 PM

Your pretty concerned of the difficulty it is to work on when your not working on it, Josh. If I were in the business Id make the BEST game I could on both systems; even if it meant one version was better than the other. Why? Because people want the BEST. Gamers aren't stupid...wait...scratch that.

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SilverLion
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 12:08:12 PM

I'm a software developer, and imho, developers are driven by the coolest technology and the best way to get things done. PS3 does have the coolest technology; I think that objectively it really does. I can't think of any *hardware* capability the 360 has that the PS3 doesn't. All the software (PSN vs. Live) can be changed via updates and firmware.

If I want to make a kick-arse completely engrossing adventure, I'd go with the best graphics possible. If I project needing 25GB of storage for HiDef textures, I go for a medium that can handle it. It may be a hard system to develop for, but so was the PC back in the day and look how that turned out. As time goes on, we'll see more graphics engines native to PS3's cell processor licensed to make more games. Maybe better, expanded development tools.

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noshownogo
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 5:24:40 AM
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Guys,

You have to understand that when you have something better than others they will usually bash it.

Such was the case when we were 5yrs old in the playground and the other kids would proclaim "my toy truck is better than yours" even though their wheels fell off repeatedly.

Let them be, but remember this; they will be the ones envying our "truck" at the end of the year.

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Arcane Altair
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:36:47 AM

As games get bigger, You need more space.

It's simple.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:57:19 PM

Yeah who wants a Ferrari anyways? You cant even go top speed...

Hey guys, lets go PUSH my GEO Metro!!!

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TheRaPtuRe
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:03:44 AM
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good article, you say everything i think.
is anyone else completely sick to death of going on n4g and seeing a load of ps3 hate articles? there so annoying and so obviously wrong!

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www
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:05:09 AM
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HAHAHAHA! yet another one of those articles,and everybody comes outta they hole and post.

all i gotta say is.......BEN IS RIGHT!

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K ASH
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:37:08 AM
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If you are a true game is there a reason to hate a console. cant wait for a time when a console is going to be judged by its games & features not install base. I for one dont hate any but highly prefer one over others (PS3 > Wii > Xbox360)because of the games i like.
We are all intitled to our own opinion and i feel one should express it know and then.

F*** the media houses that are bashing Ps3 they are supposed to be impartial arent they. I strongly believe M$ is pulling their strings from the backround.

Just like Home the Ps3 has potential to grow into something big that will last longer. In my jugdement it seems like Sony has a plan, they are making brilliant exclusive titles, hope they share halve the vision i have then we are sure going to riding this wave way into 2015.

My vision is that Sony can flip the script on M$ by offering PS3 a cheap console at the start of M$ next console. Home will be big by then and there will be a large amount of AAA exclusive titles to play.

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Keegs79
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:39:17 AM
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Ben is right, huh?

He is right even though he is lying about a closing gap when it is widening? 360 is still outselling the PS3 every month.

He is right when there is big difference between XBL and PSN? There is a reason why XBL is very popular. That should be common sense. I have both and will pick XBL over PSN every time.

Final Fantasy 13 was a huge flagship title for the PS3 but now it being multi-platform gives people a reason not to buy a PS3. The same can go about Tekken 6. Sony lost more exclusives during this generation than any other because of the 360 installed base and its continued sales which in turn mean continued support.

It would be good to remember or know that unlike Sony, Microsoft doesn't tout big titles that won't come out years later. It took LittleBIGPlanet forever to come out. We are still waiting for Gran Turismo 5 and Killzone 2. Last year was suppose to be Sony's year "according to Sony" but now they say its actually 2009. That makes them look foolish and you forgot to mention Ninja Gaiden 2 and Left 4 Dead which are major 360 exclusives (of course you didn't) but I hand it to them, Heavy Rain, Yakuza 3, God of War 3, and possibly Killzone 2 will be awesome to get in 2009.

Now to close, the 360 HAD been great for the get go. The PS3 has been so slow but now its nearly too late. At least from a business perspective but not as a consumer. The 360 is superior in development, installed base, and its current line-up. The future is irrelevant when everything is your way now. Again about XBL Way better than PSN. That right there proves your strong bias loyalty more than anything.


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Orvisman
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:27:21 AM

Ummm, for the first half of the year (through June or July) the PS3 actually outsold the 360 monthly.

You're basing your "the gap is widening" argument on the 1.3 million 360s sold figure aren't you? You're not looking at the overall picture.

Granted, the PS3 won't truly close the gap until Sony cuts the PS3 price; but when the price cut comes, you will see Sony move many PS3s.

I have all three systems, and the Wii's online capabilities are the worst by far. I, however, agree with Ben that there is not much difference these days between the PSN and Live to justify a $50 price tag. There just isn't no matter how you spin it.

You might have a preference. Good for you! But that is in no way definitive proof that Live is the vastly superior service anymore.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:38:51 AM

Yeah, I am right.

The 360 is NOT outselling the PS3 every month. In fact, for about half the year last year, the opposite was true. Try doing research before talking out of your ass. The gap in no way is "widening."

You can pick XBL over PSN all you want. Doesn't mean everyone else will...nobody I know will, but I guess you're the only one who's right.

Yeah. Lost exclusives. You name all the 360 exclusives that will reign supreme this generation and then I'll do it for the PS3: Uncharted 1 and 2, MGS4, LBP, GT5, R&C Future (the next R&C), Heavy Rain, God of War III, Killzone 2, FF Versus XIII...should I go on, or have you already run out of 360 exclusives? Yep, think you have.

Nooo, MS doesn't tout big titles that "won't come out years later." Right. We never heard of Halo anything until the launch! Or Fable, when it was hyped every day for a full year that it would be the "greatest RPG ever." Or Gears. Or any of them. LOL Just shut UP.

Yeah, 360 great from the get-go. A launch system that failed nearly half the time according to numbers in the first week, then went on to fail 30% of the time in its first year and didn't deliver a single fantastic defining game until Halo 3. Everyone knows the first year for that system was a complete dud in terms of software. Or at least, I THOUGHT everyone knew that.

We all know you signed up to cause trouble, fanboy. But now you may leave. Leave, and don't come back...your ignorance is painful.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:16:09 PM

Have you played Cod4? Then you too have experience the wonders of the Bad Host syndrome. And YES it affects the 360. Thats right, LAG on LIVE. So quit talkin out of your ass as the man (BEN) said.

@BEN
Ya know, your arguments are about the unfair jabs that "So-Called" journalists are giving. Yet lo-and-behold the trolls come out. Preaching their blasphemies. I don't know where you get the patience to watch this wonderful site get invaded.



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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:46:40 PM

It's easy. The site continues to grow, as does our excellent community, and I remain vigilant in keeping the trolls out. Notice they show up for articles like these but they never REMAIN. ;)

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bearbobby
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:04:13 PM

@Keegs79

How long have you had your 360? 3 years since it launched? Ok, that's $150 extra you've spent on XBL. Nice.

Final Fantasy XIII is a huge game, and the loss of it as an "exclusive" was kind of a kick in the shin, but hey, money talks right? But don't forget it's being developed on the PS3 and then ported over to 360. My guess, and that's all it is at the moment, is that our version will be the superior product.

Tekken 6, I'm looking forward to that very much as it's my favorite fighting series. Another slight shock as it will also appear on the 360, but I'm guessing it will be enjoyed more on the PS3 due to the more responsive controller. I've never played a fighting game on the 360, but I've not heard good things concerning their playability.

Last year WAS Sony's year. Xbox did have some good exclusive games I'm told, not having played them I can't say for sure. Gears 2 is supposed to be fun; Fable 2 was also supposed to be good, but reviews I've read tended to suggest it wasn't all it could have been.

As for the two you specifically pointed out; Ninja Gaiden I'm sure was a good time, but short of stellar from the general census. Left 4 Dead is actually a game I'd love to try, so I probably will... on my PC (Hint - NOT an Xbox360 exclusive, check the definition.)
And yes, the PS3's lineup for 2009 does look superb, and in my humble opinion, more attractive than those announced for the 360.

"Now to close, the 360 HAD been great for the get go." - Ummmm, huh? Failure rates and poor launch lineup would disagree.

"The PS3 has been so slow but now its nearly too late." - The PS3 has had consistent firmware updates, constantly increasing the console's capabilities. Granted some options should have been available at launch, but hey, at least they're putting forward an effort. For FREE.

"The 360 is superior in development, installed base, and its current line-up. The future is irrelevant when everything is your way now." - The 360's architecture was akin to a regular PC which made it's development easier, but hardly "superior." A year's head start and $millions in advertising accounts for the install base. It's current lineup isn't bad, don't get me wrong, but the majority of respected game sites would agree that the PS3's exclusives of the past year were better overall.

The future is never irrelevant. The biggest hindrance to many people buying a PS3 was usually the price point. With the supposed cut coming I'm willing to bet you'll see a big shift in units, and that gap will close even faster.

And you can't sit there and honestly say that the 360's lifespan will equal sony's console. Sony has proven for the past two generations that they'll continue to support their systems past what could be considered their prime. Where as MS dumped the original Xbox like a bad date.

This is classic Tortoise and Hare. Except in this case the Hare is a Mass-hole who passes in the breakdown lane and cuts off the Tortoise while smoke billows from the hood as his engine overheats from pushing too hard to get ahead.

lol

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Orvisman
Monday, January 19, 2009 @ 10:13:13 AM

LOL.

Ben,

I guess we were typing our responses simultaneously. And we made similar points.


Kudos!

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Qubex
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:39:32 AM
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There should be a reality TV show called; "American Fanboy"... that would be especially poignant for Xbots!

Q!

"i aM hoMe"

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Luan
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:46:23 AM
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all I can say to Ben is...
nevermind those guys, they'll get what they're asking for pretty soon...

p.s. there's a LOT of comments in this post

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Evilelement
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:59:47 AM
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This artical is spot on well done :) I would even go on saying it should be put on the magazine. As it doesnt matter where you live on earth it only takes one jealous or immature person to speak verbal diorreah and the whole world goes gullable with what he or she saids. So one please tell me where the hatred comes from in this world?

Everytime I look at any website about gaming its, "I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG FOR PAYING MONEY FOR SOMETHING, I AM FAR MOR SUPORIOR TO YOU AND KNOW VAST KNOWLEDGE."

Seem everyone has a point to ram down into your head. Over time you loose the trust you had with magazines and websites which you thought spoke the truth.

This is pethetic to say the most GOD SAKE I am a bloody product designer and I understand why the consoles are either cheap or expensive. Its what I do and study. When I look at both companies I see one who put money to cheap parts and fancy designs and another who spent more on better components and fancy design. Look at it this way Microsoft spend 5p (UK money) that like 2 cent on a capacitor and Sony spend 10p. The smallest things you think have nothing to do with the console have a massive impact. Results in a hard working console with less likely chance of breaking down (COMPONENTS+PRICE+DEVELOPMENT+TESTING+) = Why something more expensive. But you cant hit back saying its crap because its expensive?
Age old saying?

Cheap console = Short life
Expensive console = Long life

Both companies are taking different views on this generation Sony its a long term project and 360 short term. But statistics show nothing of this. What happends if PS3 here till 2020 and 360 goes under at 2011-2012?

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HEATROC
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 7:12:09 AM
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I think the journalist is completely bias, he's a SONY "Journalist" fan boy obviously. I love the PS3. I have two PS3's (one with a 250 GB hard drive w/Linux) and one 360 but I have about 7 PS3 games and about 25 360 games. Techwise the PS3 is a badass piece of hardware but on the other hand that’s were it fails. It has Bluray, an upgradeable hard drive, USB storage devices, built in WiFi, doesn't run as hot or loud, PSP link, PSN is free and this is all great. But it really boils down to games /software! You journalist are the ones that informs us that most developers are jumping ship and complaining about developing games for the PS3 because of its complicated architecture then recommends that we by the 360 version of a multiplatform game because it simply plays better, i.e. non water downed visuals, brighter colors, and higher frame rate. This means a lot to me when playing in my 60inch SONY HDTV. So what do we do, pick up the 360 version. I just want more bang for my buck. XBOX live is expensive ($50) but it blows PSN out of the water. There is new content almost daily on XBOX live and the PS3 seems to be updated monthly. The 360 seems to have way more demos (good for my kids), video content, Netflix, cheesy LIVE games and even covers E3 and other video game conventions way better also downloadable content - a la GTAIV: The Lost and Damned. It's the reason I bought GTA for 360. If a game isn't "multiplayer-online" these days I don't want to spend $60.00 on it. I've played online on both systems and the experience is far better on the 360. Also managing you your friends list, achievements and gamer score just feels better. When I play a game online and see someone kicking butt on Rainbow Six or COD5 I want to check out his gamercard, gamerscore then possibly ask him to be a friend or join my clan, don't have the urge to do so on PS3 because there is no gamerscore for the hardcore and the PS3 just got trophies which is al-right. MGS4 is my all time favorite game but I a little on the 360 because of the software options and XBOX Live. I'm a gamer, I love both systems but 360 has the upper hand on software. I believe the PS3's down fall is the fact that it is a super computer more so than a great game console, developer friendly console or family affordable game console. Of course I will be picking up KILLZONE 2 and GOW3 on PS3 but most platform games and FPS's will be bought on the 360 because it seems to be the developers preference and the 360 controller is just simply idea for all shooters including Resident Evil 5.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 7:23:38 AM

Your post is badly written... I believe that in 12 months time or so, once HOME has gone through a few more iterations and you realise Killzone 2 has redefined the FPS genre, you will be leaning toward the Ps3 more... Have you even bothered to play any decent Blu-Ray movies?

Q!

"i aM hOMe"
------------------------------------------------------------------ Wii = toy

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Orvisman
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:21:01 AM

@ HEATROC

Here is a free tip for you.

Learn where the paragraph return button is on your keypad and use it... liberally.

Seriously.

Hit the enter button.

See how easy it is!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:32:14 AM

You have no idea who I am. I'm not a "Sony" journalist. I'm a games journalist, so quiet down.

And yes, please do use the "Enter" key.

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CH1N00K
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:59:43 AM

Why do you have 2 PS3's but only 7 games?

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:01:24 PM

Not even the 360 has 25 MUST BUY games. That distilled your argument to begin with. Get off the 360 nuts.-IF-you have a PS3, enjoy it.

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KELSIPHER
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 12:02:41 PM

Hey kid, Learn to punctuate and not make your entire post one sentence.

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SilverLion
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 12:17:19 PM

Yeah that Netflix capability hurts. I want that on my PS3, dangit. I have to use my laptop for now. I hope they can cut a deal.

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orangpelupa
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 7:45:59 AM
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@www_dot_com
err... eurogamer is x360 fanboy? O_o
but they give low score on Last Remnant (6/10)

@qubex
BluRay videos are awesome. the difference between DVD and BR video is (almost) like day and night in my 1440x900 LCD monitor. but some anime have very bad upscaling quality... like AIR anime :(

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GuernicaReborn
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 7:53:21 AM
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You know what my favorite thing about the Gaming Target article is? He has exactly zero comments or replies at the time I'm writing this. I love watching people willfully hand over their integrity and still fail hard in the process. I never knew someone could sh** through a keyboard and post it on the web until I read that.

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LegendarySai
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 8:04:50 AM
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i kno wat u mean ben. the articles are starting to piss me off to. i read 1 on yahoo the other day where someone basically sed, the ps3 has been out for 3 years and sold 24 million (at least i think it was that much), and the ps3 sold 18 million in 2 years. he then told the guy to work it out. the guy (i dont wanna say journalist, because that would give him more credit then he deserves) then replied by laughing in the guys face, and telling him that his math was perfect, and that the 360 sold way better then the ps3. these guys r just plain STUPID!!!!

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chaosrunner
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 8:15:36 AM
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I remember chatting with Ben via email for a while right after I finished a journalism class and this was actually a topic that came up. I'm a mediocre journalist because I'm very opinionated and have a tendency to editorialize when I'm not paying attention to it. But it infuriates me that there are people out there who would disrespect journalism by not even making the attempt to remain unbiased.

Maybe I'm influenced by growing up with stories from my grandfather about the TV newsmen he knew, like Cronkite and Murrow, and the sad contrast that modern TV 'reporters' provide. Maybe I just have too much love for the language to see it being abused by those who pretend to authority by taking on titles they haven't earned and don't deserve. But for whatever reason, it's nice to see I'm not the only one who feels that way.

Frankly, I couldn't care less if someone prefers the 360 to the PS3. I have a PS3 and just a PS3 because I barely have time for one console and it better suited what I wanted. But that doesn't mean it's the right choice for everyone any more than it makes the 360 a bad system if it provides more of what you want. But I resent people trying to force people to their way of thinking and using a title people respect to try to do it.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:58:24 AM

Well Said.
It is a tactic that people use to move the ill-informed. People should be allowed to make an Educated purchase. Not one that they may very well regret on account of malice.

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Fane1024
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 6:42:24 PM

+25 points for using both "(un)biased" and "couldn't care less" correctly.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 8:21:58 AM
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PSXextreme. Proof that denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:30:34 AM

Basically, I've learned you're a Xbot in disguise (these articles are good for weeding you fools out). I've deleted your last ridiculous post and you may leave now. If not, I'll just delete the account.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:55:50 AM

Pushtrak, burn in hell.

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Aftab
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:13:04 PM

Speaking of denial, Pushtrak, why do YOU visit here so often?

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KELSIPHER
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:59:31 AM

Your post. Proof that you have no valid points and are just talking out your ass.

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pavlovic
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 8:58:17 AM
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As always this articles by Ben are controversial and the fanboy war begins. LOL

Sadly, not only this so-called journalists do bad for the industry, but also the people who read them and actually believe what they are saying or writing, anyways.

The yearly sales average per year is bigger for the PS3 (28m in 3 years, 20m in 2 years, do the math), so no one can say that the PS3 is dead.

And I'm in my second 360... so do the math. I would love to know how many 360 are fully working and how many are just junk...

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food86
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 9:05:33 AM
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There is bashing of consoles going around but none to the level of bashing the ps3. I agree with the xbox people that are happy with their console but that doesn't give them the right to count the ps3 off from this generation of consoles. Xbox gets credit for what they do even for their messed up 3 year rrod warranty which people took the bait for and go back to the console each time they crap out. the point is that there is an inscecent bashing of the ps3 no matter how good they do. some people can say I have 25 games on my xbox and 5 on my ps3 but golly!!!!! you know what I can say the same. I have 35 games on my ps3 an only 6 on my xbox. so making this assumption doesn't mean that ps3 or xbox has more games. and when did we prefere quantity over quality? Hence why I prefer my ps3 with all the games it has to offer even though blind people say it has a limited library. You know what your game library is only as limited as your wallet is. So xbox has more games! Tell me how many of those are you gonna buy? same thing for the ps3. the more games argument has to die because trust me nobody here has enough money to play all of them unless you freak out on renting them all. good article ben. I can see where your coming from and how annoying it is to keep hearing the same blatant articles over and over again.

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Deathstriker
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 9:17:00 AM
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Look I hope everyone read's this and read's it good really good

http://www.PSxEXTREME.com/

That implant's that this is a PS zone. So If you have a Playstation 1, 2, PSP, and/or 3 and you don't have any thing against it, or you wouldn't go aginst and entire page of people (JoshuaAFAG360) and on top of that you have a equal eye of seeing a argument. Then I suggest you get the hell of our site. An go to

http://www.xboxnerds.com/

Where it's dead cause no one will argue that the xbox360 is the dead console.

Thank you Ben for being here for us, buddy without you I probilly wouldn't have a PS3. I'm sure alot of regular's here where around, before the PS3 launch. This site has been helpful for me to get a ps3 and the games. This is also my home website :P...

Thank's Guys

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:45:42 PM

If you ever called me a fag in real life you would get smashed in the face pretty hard.

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TEG3SH
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 9:36:27 AM
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ok i just finished reading the comments,at first i wanted to participate in this war,but now i am tired .damn thats alot of posts.
and to everyone bashing ps3 saying it is stupid i have only one reply
SO IS YOUR FACE.LOL

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SilverLion
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 12:21:03 PM

LOL!

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isaya85
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 9:44:58 AM
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all in all at the end of the day we know xbox does not have what it take to go that 10yr distance with PS3 its already outdated and even though they managed to get a few exclusives FF, DMC4, Tekken etc. Sony still got tons of games that will never see the light of day on the xbox, so let these xbox fans have there fun cuz in the end when all is said and done we will have the last I promise you ben.


PSN ID Biggest_GMoney

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SilverLion
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 12:23:52 PM

I don't think they're planning on a 10yr console. They make more money if they sell a cheaper console every 4 years, don't they? And in another year or so, they could design one based on the cell processor and Sony will have borne the brunt of the R&D hit on it.

That's how MS makes software, too. They wait for someone to fill a nice, copy the idea, and improve it. I'm not worried about the 360. I'm more worried about the next gen XBox that has better hardware than the PS3... And if its backwards compatible, Sony may be in trouble.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 9:54:56 AM
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Don't worry be happy now... In the end the PS3 should succeed as expected...

Q!

"i aM HoMe"

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CH1N00K
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 9:58:06 AM
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And again...*sigh*

Does any of this even matter? This argument will never end. It started with Atari and Nintendo. Then Nintendo and Sega, Then Nintendo and Sony, then Sony and Microsoft.

Where there is competition, there is bias. The rampant flaming fanboyism does seem to be worse this time around though. I blame easy access to the internet. Too many of the wrong people now have a voice..And I admit that I could be one of them.

What do you hope to accomplish? Do you think that with ONLY 20 million units sold that Sony is going to go bankrupt and never make another console or wash their hands of the current one? Or with M$'s reliability issues that they are going to go under?

Please.

This generation of consoles are a test run in preparation for the HD world to come. The Wii gave up graphical power for a different type of gaming and clearly the hype paid off huge. Now they can afford to fix any problems they might have with the system. What do you think the graphics/gameplay on the next Nintendo product will look like?

The 360 released too early and wasn't fully tested, sure it has bugs, but now they've learned something new for next time. With 28 million sold, obviously they're not going anywhere. They'll be around for the next war too. Rumour has it that they may even start the next war a few years ahead of everyone else.

Sony put out a great machine, with few reliability issues, amazing power never before seen in a console but didn't know how to advertise it or have the software to back it. Or perhaps they lost track of their target audience. In an effort to be the best and to attract everyone to Blu-ray, Multi-media entertainment and gaming, they left out the average gamer who doesn't want all that or can't afford all that. These people migrated to M$ and Nintendo.

Sure the price has dropped now, and the Developers are getting a grasp on the PS3 so it is picking up a little steam but it is still the Ferrari of systems. Sure it's in last place, but like someone else mentioned, 3rd place in a multi billion dollar industry (an industry that makes more money than Hollywood by the way) isn't necessarily a bad thing.

So why all the hate? Fear and insecurity? Some people are afraid that they backed the wrong product, so are automatically defensive. Over-Confidence? Some people feel that their product is so great it can't be wrong...ever...

Whatever psychological reason the flamers and haters have for spouting their crap all over the internet, in an endless battle, when it's all said and done..it doesn't matter.

Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft will have your money, You'll have an old out of date system, because guess what? We're going to be doing this all over again in the next round.

Enough is enough. None of the systems are the end all, be all of systems. Go pick the one you like, shut up and play. Please save your flaming for gay pride day.


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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:48:30 PM

WOW

That was very good.

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KELSIPHER
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:51:34 AM

HOLY SHIT. This guy deserves the entire Internets!

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ps3king
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:03:19 AM
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every time i see news about ps3 on yahoo it is how sony is in losing to xbox 360. So now i don't look at the game news on there. ps3 is so much better then xbox 360.

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Orvisman
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:15:21 AM
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I have one question for you JoshuaAdams360 (and you other Xbots)?

If you do NOT have a PS3 and don't care for the system at all, why are you even posting on this site? Seriously? I want to know?

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Orvisman
Saturday, January 17, 2009 @ 1:58:36 PM

Notice how none of the Xbots answered my rather simple question? Know why? Because they have no good reason to be here.

Really, I don't see as many PS3 fans on the 360 sites I visit bashing the 360 when they don't own one.

It used to be the same with the Segaholics at the Gaming Age forums where I went by the handle of The Importer. Segaholics would infest the PS2 forum just to talk trash. But PS2 fans would rarely talk smack in the Dreamcast forum, which was the link above the PS2 forum.

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noshownogo
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:43:20 AM
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^^this is what i'd like to know as well...

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:08:55 AM

I think its a conspiracy by Ben and other Mods to increase comments. Its actually quite obvious.

If any of you has any extra time, I consider going back through all the old articles until december 1st (starting with this article), and reading all of the posts Josh has left. He is ALWAYS starting trouble.

I can see if all of his comments were relivent to the topic, but 60% of the time he's just making snide comments to faithful community members in an attempt to disrupt the peace.

Ben or shadow might try to deny this, but really...why keep him around? I know Shadow couldn't have really meant that Josh was a valuable community member, unless he secretly admitted that he DOES keep him around to spark wars.

Before Ben or Shadow attempt to try to make me feel dumb by telling me I'm wrong, do the homework yourself and see how many bogus comments he's posted in the past 2-3 months.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:28:22 AM

Trust me, I don't want more Comments if they're going to be stupid.

He manages to contribute normally to most all other news posts...he just can't seem to control his fanboyism when articles like these come out. So I just delete the posts that are bad for the site and that's that. Eventually, I will ASSUME he will get tired of seeing this happen and he'll just stop... If not, well...

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Bandit King
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:51:22 AM
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I agree with this article's main message, that bias journalism needs to stop. Seriously whats up with this console generation? Last go around I had all 3 consoles, and I just don't remember this extreme level of negativity towards any of them. Sure you had your jerks but for the most part the gamers (thats what we are right?) shoved the fanboys out. Gamecube had Resident Evil and Zelda, PS2 had well everything and Xbox had Shenmue II, Panzer Dragoon, Halo, and Oddworld Strangers wrath (amazing by the way). This time around I just don't get the animosity between the console "camps".

I own both consoles and would still own a Wii if I actually considered it a console (sold mine over a year ago). I am not going to go out of my way to defend the 360 (I have had my fair share of them) but it still has some great titles outside of the usual mentions like Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia and Banjo 3. That being said I play my PS3 way more and 90% of the time I buy multiplat titles for PS3.

As far a features go the Xbox to me is like a PS2 with HD visuals, great games if not with a little "been there" "done that" feel to the whole system. Still it's great for just playing games. The PS3 has far more uses and to me feels like a true step up from last gen, I really love blu-ray and appreciate the benefits it brings, especially since I am not a big supporter of a "digital download" future, I like hard copies of things.

XB Live is good for the exclusive downloadable games like Castle Crashers, SoulCalibur, Banjo & Kazooie, but the service is not as stable as it should be since you have to pay for it. PSN is a little more rocky then Live but then again it's free and the difference between the two is not $50 dollars worth. Personally the attitude/vulgarity of people online keeps me from getting into online multiplayer games, so my opinion on these services is limited.

Still the world as a whole has alot of growning up to do and we as gamers need to stop acting like this. Thanks Ben for casting your vote for better journalism as this site is one of the few places I have come across that writes intelegently, though I think this influx of terrible writers only started when the internet took over as the main source of information. Though even print mags have terrible writers (OXM US, and Playstation the official mag US)

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Orvisman
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:03:28 AM

What three consoles did you own? PS2, Xbox, GC?

You're forgetting the fourth console, the Dreamcast. The PS2 Vs. Dreamcast flame wars were vicious with the Segaholics invading every PS2 board and thread they could find.

I had all four consoles that gen. All three the previous gen (PSX, Saturn, N64), and all three consoles this gen. (I'd also like to go back and repick up a SNES, Genesis, Intellivision, Colecovision, and Jaguar.)

I swear the Xbots of this gen are just the Segaholics of last gen who still have a burning hatred of all things Sony because the PS2 killed Sega as a console maker.

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Fane1024
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 7:05:22 PM

Sega (unfortunately) killed Sega. Sony just sold more units.

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Jordahn
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:02:17 AM
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What's so sad it that hate goes a long way for all the wrong reasons. You take that and give someone just a little authority, and it gets abused beyond reason. These people are not gamers, and this needs to be made know to help discredit all the haters and to make know who are really gamers.

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Frenchy17
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:26:38 AM
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Awwww is Pushtrak really gone??? Who am I supposed to argue with now? :p

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shaydey77
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:27:26 AM
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The ps3 is done as far as i can see.done with its warm up. Now its time to turn up the heat in the kitchen..xbox get out..shit youve already overheated..oh well..

Why people write this kinda bullshit AND the otherside at the top of the article is beyond me!!

A gamer is a gamer!! Platform shouldnt matter..sure a fewebates on why each is better is cool but constant hating is just petty.

Also there should be restrictions or settings on age limits on headsets for both PSN and live. Ive heard too much crap on both.

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vicious54
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:33:35 AM
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PS3 is here to stay so why so much hostility towards it. I mean close to 20 million in two years that is pretty damn impressive for a company who has no advertising skills.

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Dustinwp
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:37:54 AM
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I personally enjoy gaming on my PC,PSP,PS2,Gamecube, and PS3 far to much to devote the time or money to another console. I put about two grand into gaming on a yearly bases, just to watch my hobby be destroyed by a bunch of idiots who think it's wrong for people to have a different opinion than theirs.

I prefer most of the exclusives for the PS3 over the exclusives for the 360. If other people prefer the 360 exclusives that's your opinion and I won't bash you or try to change your mind, but don't bash me and try change my my opinion. To each his own.

Xbots this is a playstation oriented site if you don't like it GO AWAY. Don't try to rain on our parade, because we ain't having it!

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:50:05 AM

What used to be a Haven from the Crap Fests is slowly being infiltrated...

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Vivi_Gamer
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:45:46 AM
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lol, someones getting fired in the morning

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QuasarSquirrel
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:48:37 AM
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This is just one flamebait article too many. I've visited PSX for a couple years now, and I know what your doing, I'm sure its growing page views, but if you want this to be a fanboy site, as you clearly do, then I'll be moving on.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:30:59 PM

It's called an editorial and it's in response to what's happening in the industry. If you view it as otherwise, you've been online too much.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:03:45 PM

So standing up for injustice is frowned upon? Thank goodness this isn't a social injustice.
@BEN
This is the only reason my field of view is limited to PSXextreme when it comes to gaming. I find myself more dependent on this site while the flaming continues...

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:49:04 AM
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Wow. What is really not to like about the PS3? If anyone was just given one would they turn it away? Or even given a choice...who wouldn't ask for the PS3?

The problem I see is that gamers are totally loyal and passionate. Both good attributes but what is being done when the GAMER is being put on the back burner? M$ obviously rushed what could have been a prodigy. All Im saying is that Some Xbots are acting like a guy who is denying that his girl cheated on him. He gets mad at the messenger. He gets Defensive! But in the end, after some pain, He will get over it. Accept it and move on to something that has Your interests in mind.

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:15:25 PM
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300 by noon, 500 by end of day.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:44:01 PM
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I wanted to sign up to this website just so I could point out that this article comes off as very opinionated and subjective in its own right. I guess I misinterpretted the title, but the last thing I was expecting to go to was a pro-playstation website that was trying to foil the on going anti-playstation movement with a little taste of their own medicine. Yeah, thats what I like to call professional journalism... /sarcasm. I have to say, it is definately both sides of the table, pro-playstaion+pro-xbox, that make video game journalism look bad.. that includes you. Extremism, as proven in other formats, generally isn't regarded well, expcept from the opinions of other extremenists ofcourse. I will never be coming to this website again, and I'm sorry I came to it in the first place.. You are just as closed minded and lopsided as the people you are complaining about. Grow up and get a real job.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:44:56 PM

Of course it's "opinionated."

It's an OP-ED PIECE. Are people online THIS devoid of journalistic understanding?

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:14:16 PM

Ben, I dont think any of the complainers took a look at the piece you were giving a response to. Though, it is just one of MANY.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:53:34 PM

Does this guy need laid or what?

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Douchebaguette
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 12:50:07 PM
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What you described is most of the crap i get from trolling youtube users in the comments section everytime i look at a PS3 exclusive video.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:12:54 PM
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btw, while you were reading all these terible things about the ps3 written by the "misinformed bias" other guys, I was reading a preview of killzone 2 written by an editor at OXM; he praised the game heavily. Now that's moving forward, that's giving credit where credit is due regardless of alliances. On a similar note, I read a quote from prized konami designer hideo kojima, that he is currently addicted to L4D... Not a PS3 game?!Not a game he created!?Traitor!! /sarcasm... The console wars are over people, only one company has not post a net gain yet and is continuing to operate at a loss. That may not be enough to secure a clear winner, but I'm afraid it is enough to secure a clear loser. Xbox users are moving on, slowly but surely, as they are evidently satisfied with their purchases. Although PS3 users are equally satisfied with their purchases, they evidently can't seem to get that raw taste of last place out of their mouths.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:19:37 PM

"Xbox users are moving on, slowly but surely, as they are evidently satisfied with their purchases"-AND their repurchases!!!

Pff! Your pathetic. The gen isn't over, well not for PS3. Gears 2 topped your system out. Hows that for longevity? O' yeah we will be on Ps3 while your shoveling your cash and your first born son to M$ for another 720 within 2 years.

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vicious54
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:22:19 PM

@LAST2FALL
Are you stupid or something? Seems to me that you are a xbot trying to start something. If you can read other post on this site, others have praised L4D and GEOW2. If you don't like the articles then just go away because all the articles on this site are well written and within reason.

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faraga
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:54:44 PM

i was satisfied when i bought my bike, untill more and more bits and pieces started breaking, now i hate my bike, cuz it just kept breaking, my ps2 died on me, i didn't like it either, but i'll just wait for sony to put some bc in my 40gb ps3, that's what we ps3 owners do, wait a bit longer, and you get something really good, (not saying xbox games suck, im just not really into war-related stuff)

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Orvisman
Saturday, January 17, 2009 @ 2:01:23 PM

Why would an editor at OXM preview Sony exclusive Killzone 2? I smell something in your post... and it ain't roses!

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ec0li
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:19:19 PM
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AMEN!

I purchased a PS3 knowing that when I purchased it, it was in "last place". I've enjoyed and continue to enjoy my 360 since launch(experienced 1 RROD-MS can u f*****g please make a reliable console plz). I didn't give a f**k about it being last because I wanted exclusives that I would not be able to get from the 360.(plus I love me some blu-ray) It's insecurities on both sides from extremely blinded fanboys that fuel the fire.

Btw, who said nothing on OXM should be read? o.O

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Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:28:01 PM
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Ben, you defend your piece with the same logic you are putting other writers down for... What makes their opionated slanted version of things any worse than your own? I don't see anywhere that this is an opinion piece, one could assume it is, but in this same piece didn't you accuse others of selling opinion as fact? when I look for op/ed in the newspaper, I turn to the op/ed section of the newspaper.. I got to this article via a link from a purportedly game-related NEWS website.. This is not news Ben, neither are the other opinion pieces that show up on said website. You are just as bad as they are. But honestly, I don't want this next statement to seem like Im defending anyone (because honestly all you game "reporting" hacks need to find a new line of work). Atleast their opinion pieces tried to give the reader a professional feel, stats and figures might not do it for you, but atleast they did research for their pieces to come up with those numbers. Your piece reeks of ametuer, self-centered, counter-productive opinion. Its as if you tried to come up with a self-serving countermeasure to every arguement brought to the table in way that it is less supported by fact than by your ideals.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:29:27 PM

...this makes no sense. He defended his "PS3 is dead" nonsense with sales numbers. I didn't.

No, it's NOT news. It's an EDITORIAL.

Do I have to define the difference AGAIN? And do me a favor: don't you dare insult my professionalism. You know nothing of my past or resume; those who do would laugh at your insinuation.

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AC_Raven
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:29:09 PM
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Ok so I as going to give my .02 cents in and just say that I own both a PS3 and an Xbox360, and when it comes down to choosing which system I buy a game for, i.e COD5, I will always buy for the PS3, and that doesn't mean that I hate the 360, because I don't, I just prefer to play my games on the PS3. Mainly because I'm just more use to the Playstation since I've been with it way back since the PS1.

For the 360 I have Halo 3, Gears of War 1 & 2, Bioshock, and Mass Effect, all of which are superb games that everyone needs to try out in my opinion.

Oh and also Xbox Live has maybe one of the greatest arcade games available on any system to buy off its marketplace...Geometry Wars: Evolved, if you have an XboxLive account download the demo and have your self a good 'ol time wasting hours and hours of your time.

But I will stick to the PS3 for the multiplatform games and use the 360 solely for its exclusives.

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dveisalive
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:36:14 PM
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WOW BEN some people just dont get it, your a professional blogger/journalist and they try to tip you LMAOL! This post will have responses from PS3 Haters as i read now! Hey BEN you should post this for your next topic, why the 360 sucks PERIOD! LOL!

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:41:54 PM
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This generation will be over for PS3. If say, Sony goes belly up. Which, two years ago I would have said was impossible... But, if you look at any of their finacial reports in the last 3-4 quarters (not just videogames, but in general), I'd say its not entirely out of the realm of possibility. This could give explanation to their inability to lock down exclusives, which not too many years ago were exclusive to ps2, and their complete lack of advertisement... Call me what you will, Its in the realm of possibility.. and although xbox users worry about rrod, they wont have to worry about microsoft folding (unless they can't get a foot hold in the web-based applications market or cloud computing market.. which is still a ways away for the time being, not to mention highly unlikely). Sony in the present day isn't turning profit in more than half of its fields of business and thats without supplying its customers a 1 billion dollar three year warranty extension.

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ec0li
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:48:16 PM

Just when I was starting to agree with some of your statements and yes what you say is in the realm of possiblility, let's not start this Sony doom and gloom stuff. Sony is not just gonna lay down and die even if they're last this generation. They've won the last 2 gens and although they floundered in the starting of this one, any type of pricedrop this year for the PS3 will give them a much needed boost. Let's wait until Sony themselves say they're done.

Let's try and comment more about games or if you want, even sales pertaining to games.

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city96
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:43:10 PM
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Has any one seen the Getaway, 8days new PS3 games. those 2 games are immense and have amazin gameplay and graphics its jus they GOT CANCELLED

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MetalHead09
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:19:51 PM

i thought they wree in limbo?? i know sony posponed them but i dont remember hearing them cancel them!!!! i will be deeply saddened if they canceled the getaway 3:(

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OU812
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:45:07 PM
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blah blah blah blah blah blah...... oh sh** just dropped my 360; i'll just go play with my ps3 ahahahahahaha

BTW anybody want to help me fix my yugo with spare parts from my 360

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Deleted User
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 12:02:43 AM

Can I get a facepalm?

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OU812
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 1:46:13 PM
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sorry ben, had to throw that in

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dveisalive
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:09:18 PM
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UNDERSTAND THIS 360 PEOPLE HATE PS3 CAUSE DUMBOX 360 CANT DO WHAT THE PS3 DOES PERIOD!

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Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:13:30 PM
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Don't get me wrong ecoli, the only thing I'd like to see more than Sony pulling themselves up from this year's economic crash, is to see these pointless console wars end. I know, my comments don't calm the flame of war any, but neither do articles like these. As a matter of fact, I believe until these flamable articles cease, the war will rage. But that's the thing, conflict sells, or in this case, get hits. Ben even admits that he sits back and waits for the press releases to come rolling into his e-mail before he can do any legitimate reporting. If a game journalist's reporting is to be done in the realm of the publishers time frame, than said journalist must fill the void with some "creative" journalism... And as long as there is nothing solid to report on, they will always turn back to these long dead, beaten horses. People will always show up to add their two cents to a heated topic, just be aware that guys like Ben are USING you to propel their websites. They manipulate the truth and regurgitate things that have been said time and time again to get a rise out of people, for no other reason than the hits that come with them.

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dveisalive
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:20:26 PM

THen why are you posting then?

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:24:45 PM

But did you care to read the article that he was commenting on. Have you paused to listen to all POPULAR gaming news. Most of it is full of Sony sucks BS. You know it is or are just denying it. That is the basis.

He has no stake in the damn flow of this crap-slinging. He is a gamer first and foremost. He just wrote an article of how much he LOVED Gears 2. He is fair and that is why he had something to say.

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StrategicGnomer
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:15:41 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! This sh** is bananas. Check this ridiculous statement out,

In fact, few PS3 games even make the NPD monthly Top 10. And the system's lack of a deep library (compared to the Xbox 360 and Wii)

Yes, cause the Wii has a HUGE library of games. What with mario, zelda and smash brothers and... and...... annndddd.... nope, that's it.

Personally, I like this guy, someone so brave as to wave his ignorance around so much is commendable. Give this guy a medal. He should meet up with that girl from fox, what's her name? Crazy-bitch-with-a-vendetta? Something like that. This guy is clearly a leading journalist in the field. You could learn from him Ben. Apparently when talking about game libraries, deep is completely the opposite in this case, bet you didn't know that eh Ben?

Grade A Class act this one.

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:56:19 PM

gotta disagree wii does have huge library just a very crapy one.

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SilverLion
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 12:38:02 PM

Yeah, Wii has an IMMENSE library. But its mostly kiddie/family games. Similarly, you see what kinds of games come out for the DS? Holy crap. I can't even keep up! Not that I'd play most of them...

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CH1N00K
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:33:44 PM
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So Ben, Out of simple curiosity, any idea of how many new people signed up on here today just to leave a comment?

It kind of looks like your editorial on bias and fanboys, has flushed a few out.

And although I think I know where you were going with the article on how fanboyism is rampant and fueling a fire that should die, you have to at least admire the irony that your editorial has actually fanned the flames higher. ;D

Good work though, over 200 comments..good or bad you stirred the pot.




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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:41:48 PM

Oh, it's always good. ;)

And yes, I do use these pieces to weed out the fanboys who try to hide on this site, only to pop up and freak out when their precious system is questioned.

I don't know how many new people signed up, but we only keep the NON-fanboys around here. You know that.

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Arvis
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:40:39 PM
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Yikes...

This article's comments section has become the virtual equivalent of a blood-spattered room...

-Arvis

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CH1N00K
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:45:06 PM

With the amount of crap being flung around, I wouldn't necessarily call it "blood" spattered. I'm thinking it's more like watching the monkeys at the zoo...and the stuff they're flinging keeps getting caught in the fan...lol

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food86
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:47:45 PM
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where do you come of saying ben is stirring up a fanboy war. I agree that he has stood by the sidlines long enough to come out and say something. In his case most of the things he mentions can be backed up while the article that spews all this crap about the ps3 is based on an opinion based by a guy that thinks that's proper journalism. and if you go around the web you can find many articles likes this daily. When did the ps3 become a moving target? I for one agree with ben wholeheartedly and believe he is just basing facts backed with evidence while the other article did nothing more than bash consistenly on the ps3 based off his opinions.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 2:49:55 PM
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I read the article he linked to as an example when it was posted to the same website this article was linked to. Believe me, I am not a regular at psxextreme; the name of which implies and promotes extreme fanboyism in itself. The reason I am even posting is because Ben claims to be the truth behind the opionated lies, and I disagree. Pure and simple. I think he is just as bad as the journalists writing the contrary to his personal beliefs. Both sides of the arguement have their rabid supports, but its those few who just appreciate video gaming in general and shun both sides of the extreme that need to voice their opinion. Ben is clearly not one of these gamers. If he were so confident in Sony's product, opionated articles to the contrary would not bother him so much and he wouldn't feel the need to post these kind of rants.. With that said, I don't think this article has anything to do with Ben's personal hardware preference or with others opinions, with a title like "PS3 Hate Boils Over, Fanboy "Journalists" Embarrass The Industry" Ben is simply fishing for hits and new posters to boost his website. To that affect, mission accomplished. I still think its a dick move and two faced as hell considering he's accusing others of the same things he's commiting within the confines of the said article. "This. This, right here. This is why gaming journalists will never get any respect." would have worked perfectly well without the link and if you let it apply to your own writing.

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shaydey77
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:21:26 PM

Clearly this so called WAR is fuelled by commenters that repost to an EDITORIAL... Honestly anyone replying to such comments is just as bad..myself included here.

By the way..paragraphs are nice!! I suggest people learn where the return buttons are..hell even one shall do!

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Solid_Snake912
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:13:53 PM
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Hey I havent been on this forum in a while and I just noticed this beast of a thread section :L. Well I am a proud xbox 360 owner, and I will get a PS3 later down the year I play it regularly at my mates.

To get down to the point i am sickened by people saying that xbox is going down, to be honest we don't know who's going down. Everyone says KZ2 will be a big hit, maybe it will? maybe it won't? depends on taste. Yes PS3 has many exclusives and may end up filling or beating the gap left by the current leaders at Microsoft.

Microsoft is a bigger company then Sony but they ain't as expanded as Sony have. (Off topic) Have you ever noticed you could get the same product quality as Sony's brands in a different company but at a cheaper price, Some plasma TV's, Cameras, Laptops. If Sony's name is it on the price is a whopping big number yes you get a very good brand, but there are sometimes 'cheaper' options that provide the same 'experience' you want. (On topic) Journalists are people just to ignore entirely all together you can leave their opinions to themselves and trust them when something they predicted actually happens.

Yes Xbox may be an outdated system but think what would be the difference if MS had the same release time as a PS3 a possible change in specs could have changed a possible built in HD-DVD drive, and games are on HD discs (yes its still not as good as blue ray, but it would still be a good way to compete). But if it's soo outdated then why is doing successful at this stage in time, yes it's a cheap system to buy especially here in the UK, but it shows its not all about the technology. PS3 i do not hate, i just don't judge them the same way, I do like the free online play but Im not a fan of the PS community at times. But my favorite game is on the system (MGS4) I love that franchise, but it doesn't make me want to flog out a lot of money to get a PS3 and that game. (There are other titles but I won't name them) This is all based on peoples opinions on fanboyism, and at the moment I can agree that xbox fans are more like annoying to the PS fanboys, but could you imagine say Sony didn't build the PS3 in the way it did, what happens if they released at the same time as the xbox 360? would they be the same as they was when they released or would they be in similar shoes? we wouldn't know but I have a feeling they would.

And to finish it off, PS3 owners can't deny the fact that some (very few) PS3's did break, the yellow light of doom, and it still happens infact 5 of my mates PS3's have broke but they don't know why and as for my xbox 360, it lasted over 2 years before it 3 RROD on me, and I wasn't so bothered because within a few days it was back at home with a new motherboard and disc drive.

All in all peoples opinions are peoples opinions, I love the xbox and I like the PS3. Good luck to both of them.

PS. The wii will conquer all
lol

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Deleted User
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 12:30:04 AM

Nice read.

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shreevin
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:13:56 PM
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Word of the day...BIAS! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY!!! (where is Pee Wee?)

Honestly folks, this will never end. Product wars are the backbone capitalism. Coke vs. Pepsi, Christian vs Muslim, Ford vs Chevy...I'm surprised I haven't seen stickers on cars with Calvin pissing on a PS3 or 360.

I know it's annoying listening to biased (YAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!)people list out what is wrong with the other system while seemingly ignorant of their preferred system's issues. But that's what drives corporations to build the better system of tomorrow.

So in the meantime, let's stop acting like we're in one giant "Your mom is so fat..." competition and enjoy some kickass games from both camps.

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Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:23:05 PM
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Ben, let me add something to your wealth of professional journalism knowledge. Don't count on your resume or past work to support the work you do in the now. To a new reader, your past work and resume mean absolutely nothing, only what is in front of them at the current moment. I've never read any of your work until now, and this piece does not speak highly of you and you will not be recomended. You would be lucky if I was the only one to feel this way, but I assure you I'm not. Taken out of the context of your extensive list of journalistic accomplishments, this article is pure rubbish and you know it. It is no better than any other slanted opinion article bashing the competitor of his own beliefs.. Your past work may make this garbage taste a little better to an old reader, but it still tastes like garbage to me.

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CH1N00K
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:38:33 PM

Wow!
In writing an article on Fanboyism, Ben has created a new form of fanboy....The Ben Dutka Fanboys are now in a battle to the death with the Anti-Ben Flamers...

Although I wouldn't be too worried about the flaming from Last2Fall. His blatant disregard for the use of paragraphs in his rantings, makes me believe that writing a proper sentence is hard enough for him, let alone knowing anything about Journalistic Integrity.

Now I don't always agree with Ben, and we've discussed a few things before of how we don't see eye to eye. And that's fine. But I've never attacked him personally, which you have done. And that my friend, is unprofessional.

On the other hand Ben writes for a living, so I'm sure he can defend himself if he feels the need to.

You guys go ahead and have fun, I'm going to laugh and watch from a distance. Not even Fox News can come up with something as hilarious and entertaining as this.

Cheers!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:59:23 PM

Let me explain a little something to you, LAST2FALL-

You must actually think I care about what you say. You must actually believe your words have some sort of affect on me, which is a common misconception amongst the Internet hordes. An editorial is an editorial; the piece I was responding to didn't support any evidence of the PS3 is "dying," and I merely mentioned it. I don't care what people play nor do I care that they clearly spend too much time online. The point is, every last one of your posts thus far carry the insinuation that you know something about me. And you don't.

But I know a little something about you. Firstly, you're a sad little child who desperately seeks approval online because he receives none in real life. Maybe you're awkward or a tad slow in adapting to real people in the bright lights of the real world. Maybe you took personal offense to the article because - clearly - you're a rabid MS fanboy. Maybe your only source of excitement is to pick fights with people online because you're safe behind a video screen. But here's one last piece of advice, and this is free-

Don't ever assume anything. The name of the site wasn't made by me, nor does it have anything to do with "extreme bias." As for myself, your assumptions are all wrong, which makes every last one of your arguments null and void. And now you're gone...see, we don't allow bitter children in here. Kinda hurts the great community we've worked so hard to maintain. Head on over to System Wars at GameSpot; you'll fit RIGHT in.

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AdventSign
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 1:59:02 AM

@Deleted User: I like Ben because of this article. I wouldn't care if he wrote it with grade 2 grammar or with all these complex words. He gets the point across and nails everything on the head. Basically its an article that says STFU and enjoy whatever you have. Opinions are opinions and facts are facts. Snother big fact is this: Video games are fun and you can play for a challenge or just to get away from everyday life and relax. Nobody lives forever. Arguing about which system is "better" or which system is "doomed" is a waste of time. Instead you should be happy that you bought something that you are truly happy with. Different people like different things and nobody should force their beliefs onto others.

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food86
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:31:37 PM
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well last2fall that is all subejective and your opinion. its what makes the world go round different people different ideas. you digress while I agree with Ben. where oh where will it end. the whole topic of this discussion is for people to stop treating the ps3 likes its a walking zombie, or a dog that needs to be put out of its misery. I for one appreciate the competition of the xbox, have enjoyed their games and given props to their system thought it is ridiculed with reliability issues. But, that does not give me the right to bash on the competition because they are one year behind in terms of life cycle. I can assure you the ps3 fans give their fair share of complaints about the xbox but none to the extent that certain people in the industry do towards the ps3. Please care to elaborate if i missed a point

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Solid_Snake912
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:49:32 PM
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@CH1N00K
i fully agree with you about last2fall, at first I thought you were talking about me, I was like i was supporting both systems. But I agree with you on what you've said, I hardly sign in to post but I check this site everyday to check updates I like to know what Sony brings each day.

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cheng
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 3:54:42 PM
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just pass by...n look @ lasttofall...*sigh*i thought some people are stupid enough, but not THAT stupid,seems i was wrong,that mofo brought stupidity to a whole new level lol...*walk away*...PLEASE DONT DELETE THIS COMMENT, I LOVE FFT :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:01:55 PM
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Certain people, including LAST2FALL are gone and won't be coming back. ;)

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karneli lll
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:03:28 PM
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I missed the party!!!! Oh well. Excellent piece Ben. Joshua, you just keep being you.

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Deleted User
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 1:31:47 AM

I try to. Tho im wondering if they would like watered down Josh.

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Solid_Snake912
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:04:47 PM
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am i going :S

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Zorigo
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:11:34 PM
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these articles iritate me sometimes. the ones on psx. then i read that link. i agree with articles and have just one request with regard to articles like that link. where's my gun. nah, that's fanboy mentality but you know, whatever i buy i back like hell. i was going to get an xbox at one poin but reconsidered. trust me, if i had enough cash and xbox had enough exclusives, i would buy and back, like hell. not fanboy. just strong hearted.
god, what am i? *shakes head at oneself*

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Deleted User
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 1:32:39 AM

Just like me haha.

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karneli lll
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:16:20 PM
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Outside PSXE, people are treating Ben's piece like the Sony fact sheet of the true cost of the 360 (remember "Sony acting like a crazy ex").

What im amazed by is the fact that a 360 died during the halo wars CES showing, infront of hundreds of journalists but only a few were brave enough to report it.

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LCF
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 5:26:52 PM

That was on the Jasper motherboard,it red ringed.Can we really trust microsoft?

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Deleted User
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 1:33:36 AM

That was a Falcon. But good try tho.

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Orvisman
Saturday, January 17, 2009 @ 2:06:23 PM

JoshuaAdam360,

He never stated it was the "Jasper," so what is your point?

The point of the post is that most "game journalists" didn't report this news because they have a bias.

As for you, you still haven't answered my rather simple question.

If you don't have a PS3 or care for the system, why do you even post here?

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b3mike
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 4:49:30 PM
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Xbot's = fail

Supporting Microsoft as passionately as they do is like getting an STD and overlooking it only because it was a good experience at the time.

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Deleted User
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 1:34:12 AM

No not really. try to make more sense next time.

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www
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 5:25:24 PM
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U see,the only problem i have about commenting online is.............anybody can say sh** to you and get away with it.The problem is all over the web thus i don't really enjoy posting comments for some piece of trash to tell me crap.
The fact is u don't know his location,nothing hence u can get him and beat the sh** outta those internet psychos/sickos,that's just the pain.

@Deleted User

Of course Ben has to post such articles to get things fired up and lure all the hidden xbots outta hiding.
FIRST OF ALL,this is his job,his life......u gotta understand dude is on his grind,on his hustle.....hope u aren't jealous of Ben as thats how u sound,if u were in his shoes i BET a milli bucks u'd do the same.
The ppl u're defending,MS.....are one of the greatest hustlers of all time,they need money made thus they get into every industry.....it's business out there,look around celebrities pull off publicity stunts,a newspaper puts out some controversial article and it sells like hot cakes.

In the end Ben gets paid,n it's all that matters,unless u work for no money then am sorry.Anyways i got a feeling u're also a journalist and just wanna start some sh** with Ben...hahahaha...but as i said in the end........he gets paid.


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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 12:00:19 AM

Yes, I'm paid to do a job.

And I'd like to think I'm doing it well. ;)

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 1:39:55 AM

Good word use haha.

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LightShow
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 5:59:35 PM
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I MISSED IT!

bummer. is this a new high for comment count? i dont think it ever broke 200 before...

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TEG3SH
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:00:02 PM
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@ shreevin MUSLIM VS CHRISTIAN ,dude seriously who told you they were at war????

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Aftab
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:18:14 PM

No one. Judging from the sound of his name, he was just flaming.

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AceTatsujin
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:10:34 PM
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BEN, good job! You deserve an A+ for booting those kids.

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mastiffchild
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 6:30:19 PM
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Christ Ben you just had to poke 'em with your big pointy stick dintcha?
Obviously there are some defensicve types out there that see anything threatening the status quo supporting their view as anathema to their well being and you pressed the right button this time.
It's indicative of how a big fan of the 360 would feel if they had to deal with the almost constant barrage of groundless, based on one country's figures gobshite PS3 owners have to on a daily basis. In fact it's damn annoying and showing them is fair enough but, as we say in northern England"they don't much like it up 'em". You've made 'em see their arse and they don't like the look of it but this time you got it spot on.
Reading Variety I get the bias completely(IIRC they are partly owned by MS. I get it on other sites as well when I tally what companies they are aligned with and who pays them most for ads. I get it from , even, places like CNN where the favouring of the 360 can be explained by them rooting for the local boy(like the US media did with Jap car imports in the 70's-there is definitely something guarded about the way some US outlets view Sony-it doesn't much help, imo, that another Japanese company is trouncing MS at home either but as they cannot knock their sales Sony gets it).However when Eurogamer does it it infuriates me. IDK about their AD payments but recently they have been so anti Sony it is astounding.Overall, you're right. Journalists should be wondering why MS got to sell a product with such a high fail rate that didn't get a mass recall.Wondering why MS are still giving out cash to devs like SE and Capcom for tiny exclusivity breakers or one week of demo exclusivity while they close studios.
I wanted to have all three consoles this gen(and laugh if you like but I still find a few games to play on the Wii-I think so far their line up for 2009 is better than the 360's not counting multis)but I got rid of my 360 after several deaths because it was nearing the end of store warranty and a couple if the problems I had weren't RROD-which MS wouldn't have ever covered for three years).
Since I got rud though I've notu=iced more and more rabid hatred of Sony and the PS3 altogether yet while Sony were very daft being arrogant before launch MS seem to get a comparatively free ride. These sites never do a end of the second year comparison between the two HD consoles which would say much more.I could list the complaints and their answers but the bottom line is though I'll now miss replaying Gears2(finished it at a mates the other day-great game but the worst host advantage ever online which funnily I don't seem to get as much playing on PSN games but maybe I've been on more dedicated server games on that)I won't miss much else. Halo3 was merely ok and a step backwards in many ways fopr me(and I'm a big Halo fan at heart)but mainly I just don't like Microsoft.
I don't like the way they pushed faulty goods at us(and as far as I can tell still do-my mates Jasper died last week, not RROD but just wouldn't power up and his brthers wouldn't read anything and I believe that was one as well)and then used the cash to pay devs off into going multi platform or timed exclusivity with them.I don't like the way they copy everything the see working for others either-Miis-Avatars, Singstar-Lips, I-Phone-Zune and now they're doing a number on LBP is this what they call R&D cos it's basically theft. I don't like the way they close studios yet still throw cash at the likes of Capcom for practically nothing.I don't like the way they pay for exclusive DLC from devs either.
No they aren't doing anything illegal but the way people have swallowed the tactic of knowingly selling them crap hardware is incredible. People even seem to think the disc read PS2 problem is comparable for some reason when compared to RROD it's virtually nothing. I don't believe that MS are good for gaming and I can assure anyone who thinks it'd be great if Sony failed that they would end up with a poorer gaming world and I cannot say the same for MS. They seem anti creative. All their ideas were stolen from elsewhere and I'd love to see what Sony would get from the media if they acted in the MS manner.They'd get crucified.
All this happens because of the joke that is gaming journalism. Jeezus when the single platform mags and sites(the ones mainly run by gamers anyway)are fairer about the "other" console than "respected" outlets you know full well that something is damn rotten and not just in effing Denmark(no offense to my Danish friends).
I know you were exaggerating with the "no 360 exclusives at all"(psaraphrase)stuff but that apart you weree so right that it hurts Ben. When something isn't right it's in nobodies interests to let it slide.

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ps92117
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 7:16:10 PM

MS ways have never been the clean ones, take the wikipedia incident for example, but they have had success because of there ways so if one guy play dirty why shouldn't the other. they rely on ignorance to succeed and ignorance is very abundant, so if sony does not recognize that you gotta due wat you gotta due then they r in trouble, & so far sony have shown incapacity to cheat and play rough.

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Luan
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 7:04:45 PM
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Oh my god!
people have gone crazy here!
all I can say is...
Killzone 2 is da schlitz!

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Robochic
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 7:24:16 PM
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Ben good article, funny how all the fanboys come out and play when you do these editorials. Not really understanding how people have to argue or explain why they love or have one console over the other or have to push buttons of others to get heard, it's just childish just like XBLIVE!! Hmm so i would rather have those people stay on their xbox360s. I and people know i love my Ps3 and it has nothing to do with me being a fangirl it has to do with 1) i worked for m$ call center for the 360 i know what goes on 2) it's called quality and the Ps3 has it. Just sick and tired of the fanboys trying to ruin a great site and blogs for everyone else.

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bearbobby
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 7:50:48 PM
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Wow, 288 comments and counting, one deleted user, one deleted user who's signed up again as "dano," and some of the longest posts I have yet seen here.

lol, this is fantastic stuff. Kudos to Ben and company for engaging the minds of his readers, obviously he's struck a chord, or a nerve for some. Keep up the good work mate.

On a side note, it would be interesting to have actual statistics to show how many of these millions of 360s are first time buyers and how many are in fact repurchases.

JoshuaAdam360 had a list of "points" hours ago and miles up this page (lol) stating; "2.Why does almost every PS3 owner think because a Xbox owner hasn't experienced RROD that hes lieing?" - I can't speak for others, only myself. I know many Xbox owners, I know none who HAVEN'T had an issue with overheating and then eventual RROD. This doesn't mean that there aren't people who haven't had any issues with their consoles, just that I personally haven't met any of them.

Of the 8 of my close friends with 360s, 6 of them are on their 2nd machine, 1 is on his 3rd, and 1 is looking to sell his 2nd refurbished machine because it overheats after 45 minutes of game time. All of them love LittleBigPlanet, and 2 have gotten PS3s since having played it. :)

I admit that the 360 has some good games, but if people keep buying the system to replace their dead system, isn't that like buying the same car that keeps stranding you on the side of the road?

Anyway, back to my question. I would just like to know if the sales gap would be much closer if it only counted initial sales rather than including replacements? At least to get a better grip on the "install base."

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Deleted User
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 1:52:42 AM

I dont know what it is. But me and most of my friends have gotten lucky .

The Xbox has done more then people realize to this industry. If these Sony fans would truly think about what they say when they get online gaming and harddrives in their PS3 it would be nice. I like being able to play music in my games. I like being rewarded for hard to do things in games. Its all because of people in our own country having the balls to go into a largely dominant Japanese segment. I thank MS and give them props for doing so.

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daus26
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 8:03:27 PM
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PS3 haters are brainwashed n need therapy. Bty, I DONT hate the Xbox. I just think the ps3 is a better piece of machine, but pls dont make me list out the reasons cuz there are a lot.

But seriously ps3 haters, try to actually read n understand the article. All u xbox supporters post comments like u dont understand it. I also keep hearing the sales argument n xbox live from u guys. This tells me u guys dont understand the article because both of those issues were already discussed

Give me 1 good reason based on FACT on why ps3 is a failure compared to XBOX, n I'll forgive u haters.

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Deleted User
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 1:54:01 AM

They went from dominating the industry to this. You really think that's progression?

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food86
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 8:52:41 PM
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it seems that that the xbox fans are going another route and not focusing on the topic at hand which is why so much hate towards the ps3. Ben put everything in correct perspective to avoid us the pain of having to listen to rabid fanboys talk about their system. but they seem to not be able to grasp the idea of what is being discussed here, and go on to talk about other things that do not pertain to this article like xbox live. Yes we know xbox live is good but it does not warrant spending 50 dollars when psn does just as good for free save small tidbits and perks for those who do pay for xb live. that out of the way I don't see why all this hatred has turned towards the most innovative and state of the art machine which is the ps3, sony always brings something new to the plate, while microsoft follows along. Yes microsoft brought inovation with xbox live, but other than that? You could count achievements but thats been done in games just not on a massive scale like trophies or achievements. Ps3 ushered in blu ray, bluetooth, remote play, blu ray for gaming, home community, no tray for their discs and sensor touch to turn ps3 on and eject disk. and accesible hard drive storage. Sony has brought all these great things together and people still bash it. No matter how good sony does I have a feeling that for sony good is not good enough for the rest of the world.

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RedRingAvenger
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 8:56:53 PM
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Mastiff beautiful comment, Pot can't talk about the kettle

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Qubex
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:31:51 PM
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I have been saying all along... give Sony time... 12 months from now it will all be a different story...

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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RedRingAvenger
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:32:16 PM
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PS3_Wizard, your obviously a dipshit, I said all that, in a tired state, and yes it was jumbled, I didn't ask you, and while you where at daycare I was in the Glory Days sorry.

I guarantee I,ve played more games than you. I said anti 360 comments, cause fanboys can't tell the difference between their hand, and toilet paper.

Who cares which system wins, I just wish you define yourself, and purchase an exceptional experience,and move on. Though I do play all, Microsoft, "to me" has never felt like it has dented the industry, or had impact due to the whole "I shoot everything in this game aspect.

Screw journalism, cause at somepoint we've all played your respective platform, just out of curiosity

Do you work at any of these companies, NO "so you shut the Hell up," and stop acting like your getting paid. Let Ben state his case, and the games shine through.

For the record the most expensive console ever has been the Neo-Geo.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:42:00 PM
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That's a wrap! Let's call it a day for this thread I think no one has anything new to say.

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King James
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 10:56:26 PM
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Last Comment!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:00:35 PM

Nevah! I started it...I shall end it. ;)

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King James
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:07:11 PM

lol...

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KevinCairo
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:34:56 PM
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Hmm, let's look at these statistics.
360: 26-28 million sold over three years is 8-9 million a year.
PS3: 18-20 million sold over two years is what? That's right, 9-10 million a year.

Check out how typical this response was to a comment I made on xbox360fanboy.com:
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2009/01/09/sony-email-ps3-a-great-value-xbox-a-burden-on-the-wallet/8#c16504192 (comment #148 and 150 are me and #149 is the
xbot, just for clarification)

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FreQaZoiD
Thursday, January 15, 2009 @ 11:37:33 PM
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This was AWESOME. I think the traffic on this site at least quadrupled today.

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Deleted User
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 1:56:28 AM
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I just hope you guys see my point.

And besides im last to comment.

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Qubex
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 1:59:46 AM

I believe the Ps3 2 will eventually surpass sales of the 360... it is only time; that is all!

Q!

"i aM hOme"

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Deleted User
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 2:28:43 AM

"only time"

lol

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Qubex
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 1:57:08 AM
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I just looked at the Killzone 2 videos again... ha ha ha... that is all I have to say... KZ2 will vindicate Sony, even if it didn't need to be vindicated...

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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cunningham
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 2:04:59 AM
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live for dead isnt exclusive its out for pc to

i cant see the diffrence between xbox live and psn they both allow me to play games online job done imo

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 2:25:40 AM
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Ben you went on a friggin role today. I've never laughed so hard at a lot of your posts. You rarely strike me as a truly funny dude, but today you've have changed that.

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Deleted User [Moderator]
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 2:29:57 AM

This was by far the funniest blog yet.

I cant think of something that wasn't said or covered.

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b3mike
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 5:00:02 AM
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JoshuaAdam360,

If you hate the PlayStation brand so much then why are you here? Are you on Microsoft's payroll? Since when is it cool to like Microsoft? I know that a majority of you Xbot's grew up around the PS1/PS2 era, and more then likely at one point owned either one of those systems and enjoyed the huge library of games that were released for us. Then all the sudden Microsoft starts to monopolize the gaming industry and you sheep start acting like it's the second coming of Jesus Christ. Then you start to bash Sony, hypocrisy at it's finest. You don't like Sony, you don't like the PS3. WE GET IT. Now go back to the safety of your parent's basement and keep polishing your Master Chief helmet or go get some exercise, do SOMETHING. =D

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Qubex
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 6:16:03 AM

Do not worry about Joshua; he will be silenced once Killzone 2 comes out... that is the beginning!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Deleted User
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 8:08:46 AM

You must be really ignorant. Lets make a joke about a guys parents while I just got back from my fathers funeral 2 days ago. Your very lucky your behind a screen.

As for your other stupid comments. Yes I was a PS fan and grew up with them. But no I dont like the PS3. I dont like how Sony does business. Say what the hell you want about MS but they are not short sited enough to make loyal fans pay 400 plus for a game system. I also dont like how they shafted PS2 fans by removing backwards capability. You cant come in here with fake promises and half truths and expect us to all jump for joy.

I also the games that are hot are all on 360. I dont know one person even older that dont know what Halo is. I like the games, I like the online service, and I like the price. Yeah the PS3 has good hardware. But what exactly do you want us all to do? Just jump to Sony because in 50 years we will get the games we want. No thanks.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 2:31:54 PM

Incredibly short-sighted. Your reasons for not liking the PS3 aren't even remotely justified, but that's because you don't WANT them to be.

Sorry, but this is what fanboys DO. Instead of searching for reasons to like something, you do exactly the opposite, and it sounds IDIOTIC. I'm sorry, but it does.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 4:44:50 PM

How so?

MS doesn't talk about games at launch that come to the system not even 3 years later (gran turismo 5). And how many PS2 fans where left in the dust because of its price? Its stupid.

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Orvisman
Saturday, January 17, 2009 @ 2:25:52 PM

@JoshuaAdam360,

"Say what the hell you want about MS but they are not short sited enough to make loyal fans pay 400 plus for a game system"

So, how much did you pay for your 360 Elite then? $199? Didn't think so!

At least Sony hasn't bifurcated its user base like M$ft has.

What happens when the clueless parents who buy little Johny the Arcade because he wanted a new system and they couldn't afford the $399 PS3 for Xmas?

What happens when little Johny wants to go online and they need to buy M$ft's WiFi adapter and shell out for a Live account? Then little Johny wants to download things and they have to shell out for an overpriced M$ft hard drive? How much has M$ft extracted from them now? Then they have to pay to keep that Live account year after year.

Listen, I have a 360, so I'm no fanboy; but how is M$ft good for any industry? How are M$ft's business practices better than Sony's? How are Sony's worse?

It is M$ft who goes into an industry and tries to run its competitors out of business, just like Wal-Mart does.

Thank God Apple and Sony/Nintendo can put up a fight or else we'd have less of a choice than we do when it comes to our game consoles or MP3 players.

M$ft dominating any industry isn't good for choice.... just look what it has done to the PC market. What really viable choice does the average consumer have to Windows, Word, IE, MediaPlayer?

Not much because M$ft just steals its ideas from its competitors and bundles its software with new PC purchases. So, at this point, the average consumer doesn't even know better.

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Perry Katy
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 5:45:17 AM
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Wow!!! 297 comments... lol...

Ben, i agree with you. Those biased journalists toward PS3 just gave the bad name for PS3. Really unfair.
Can't we just get along with x360??

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TEG3SH
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 7:26:36 AM
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at laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssssstttttttttttttt

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blitz30952
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 7:42:04 AM
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Excellent article Ben, and what you are talking about is well overdue because the amount of those type of articles around the Net is getting ridiculous...


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Dr_Frodo
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 9:02:28 AM
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That article is part of a 4 part special, it has X360 failure & success and PS3 failure & success.

:/

Though fanboys of all types annoy me, I must admit, I'm a fanboy myself, though I'm a fanboy of only good games, i.e. the games I like.

Though it does annoy me when people go to cyberwar over gaming and usually completely ignore the PC.

If you want to talk innovation, the PC trounces everything on the planet, in most categories, especially gaming.

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KevinCairo
Friday, January 23, 2009 @ 1:43:11 AM

The old PC argument is pretty unfair because if you tried to put a PC together for the price of even a 160gb PS3, it would be absolute garbage. The amount of money that goes into a PC that makes consoles look like garbage is ridiculous. That's not to say I have anything against PCs considering that I just got a new one for Christmas; it's just not a fair comparison.
Consoles have to be relatively compact, which doesn't give a lot of flexibility for cooling, not to mention that consoles typically have a longer life than a PC so they can't exactly keep up with technology after they're put into production.
In the PC's defense, the money invested in it obviously is useful for things other than gaming, but again it's not fair to compare when it comes to gaming.

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King James
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 9:26:29 AM
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...ummm....Last comment???....maybe...?

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ec0li
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 10:23:26 AM

speak for yourself!

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King James
Saturday, January 17, 2009 @ 1:22:56 PM

thumbs down? What I say?

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Qubex
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 10:40:42 AM
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To be honest, the whole 360 / PS3 argument fails badly... simply put, like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy... let others be... if Joshua and others want to talk up their 720's, that is a great for them. If we wanna love our PS3's that is great for us. If journalists want to bring down the video games industry, pity them...

We have to realise one simple thing, you won't be able to convince the unconvinced; like you won't be able to get the Catholic Pope to change his religion... Most of it is in the mind...

Love your PS3 and be happy, screw all others!'

Q!

"i aM hOMe"




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Arvis
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 1:30:03 PM
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Usually if I post something about Valkyria Chronicles, nobody posts anything new after it. So...

YOU SHOULD ALL BE PLAYING VALKYRIA CHRONICLES!! WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE!?!

Fools, all of you. VC is the greatest game Sega has ever made! Play it! Now!

-Arvis

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Banky A
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 1:56:39 PM
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New post

>=]

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b3mike
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 2:06:38 PM
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Wasn't the launch price of the 360 around 400 dollars?
The whole price argument is moot.

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kreate
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 6:54:47 PM
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so.... can i join in on the arguements? =)

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Deleted User
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 7:10:08 PM

Feel free. Good luck finding a new subject tho lol.

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TEG3SH
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 7:44:07 PM
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i am the last.hehehehehe

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bamf
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 8:59:05 PM
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We also gotta take into account that in Pal territories, or at least in Europe anyway, the PS3 hasn't been out for 2 years yet. I think its April for the PS3's anniversary in Europe?

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AntDC
Friday, January 16, 2009 @ 11:01:20 PM
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Fanboys can all drown in a sea of penises for all I care.

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Keegs79
Saturday, January 17, 2009 @ 12:33:54 AM
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Crazy crazy crazy. Wow. Maybe I should have stayed around for the replies. People want to argue "the widening gap" by saying the PS3 has outsold the 360 in particular months so that suppose to mean suddenly the PS3 is closing in when it can't be consistent with that while already being behind.

PSN is now closer to XBL? HOW??? Nothing within PSN has freakin changed! I know I have both. All I hear is people trying to defend themselves because they are against a wall.

The games. Of course PS3 is going to kick ass this year. It has a major line-up. It is awesome and I am happy about that. It gives attention more to my PS3. That's right. Unlike some of you, I enjoy all consoles so I am not blind-sided with exclusivity toward one console.

If you don't believe, my PSN tag is Keegs79.

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Qubex
Saturday, January 17, 2009 @ 3:19:27 AM
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Ultimately, as a Sony supporter, I do hope the PS3 will win the console wars - this generation and next :)

Q!

"i aM HomE"

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Orvisman
Saturday, January 17, 2009 @ 2:26:42 PM
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@JoshuaAdam360,

"Say what the hell you want about MS but they are not short sited enough to make loyal fans pay 400 plus for a game system"

So, how much did you pay for your 360 Elite then? $199? Didn't think so!

At least Sony hasn't bifurcated its user base like M$ft has.

What happens when the clueless parents who buy little Johny the Arcade because he wanted a new system and they couldn't afford the $399 PS3 for Xmas?

What happens when little Johny wants to go online and they need to buy M$ft's WiFi adapter and shell out for a Live account? Then little Johny wants to download things and they have to shell out for an overpriced M$ft hard drive? How much has M$ft extracted from them now? Then they have to pay to keep that Live account year after year.

Listen, I have a 360, so I'm no fanboy; but how is M$ft good for any industry? How are M$ft's business practices better than Sony's? How are Sony's worse?

It is M$ft who goes into an industry and tries to run its competitors out of business, just like Wal-Mart does.

Thank God Apple and Sony/Nintendo can put up a fight or else we'd have less of a choice than we do when it comes to our game consoles or MP3 players.

M$ft dominating any industry isn't good for choice.... just look what it has done to the PC market. What really viable choice does the average consumer have to Windows, Word, IE, MediaPlayer?

Not much because M$ft just steals its ideas from its competitors and bundles its software with new PC purchases. So, at this point, the average consumer doesn't even know better.

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Deleted User
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 9:18:15 PM

I think your the lil boy who got the 360.

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Orvisman
Monday, January 19, 2009 @ 10:21:47 AM

Ummm... No!

Like I've written many times before, I have all three current-gen systems.

I buy all systems every gen... always have and, God willing, always will.

Nope. I'm no boy. I have a man's salary in a man's city... NYC!

And since you've responded to this post, please answer this question:

If you don't have a PS3, and since you have no interest in the system, why do you, and other Xbots, even post here?

Are you that bored with the 360 and its enormous list of new (not old and played out) system exclusives? Or are you waiting for M$ft to repair your RROD 360?

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TEG3SH
Saturday, January 17, 2009 @ 7:22:37 PM
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am i now the last.lol

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eLLeJuss
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 1:09:21 AM

no :D. i am

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Jay123baller
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 10:41:39 AM
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I have been a Playstation fan since i bought the playstation 2. Then i bought the PSP (1000) and last year I bought a PS3 60GB and last week, the bluray drive gave up on me. I have no hell of a clue what to do.

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Jay123baller
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 10:41:53 AM
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I have been a Playstation fan since i bought the playstation 2. Then i bought the PSP (1000) and last year I bought a PS3 60GB and last week, the bluray drive gave up on me. I have no hell of a clue what to do.

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Jay123baller
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 10:41:53 AM
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I have been a Playstation fan since i bought the playstation 2. Then i bought the PSP (1000) and last year I bought a PS3 60GB and last week, the bluray drive gave up on me. I have no hell of a clue what to do.

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Jay123baller
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 10:41:54 AM
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I have been a Playstation fan since i bought the playstation 2. Then i bought the PSP (1000) and last year I bought a PS3 60GB and last week, the bluray drive gave up on me. I have no hell of a clue what to do.

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Jay123baller
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 10:41:54 AM
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I have been a Playstation fan since i bought the playstation 2. Then i bought the PSP (1000) and last year I bought a PS3 60GB and last week, the bluray drive gave up on me. I have no hell of a clue what to do.

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Jay123baller
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 10:41:54 AM
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I have been a Playstation fan since i bought the playstation 2. Then i bought the PSP (1000) and last year I bought a PS3 60GB and last week, the bluray drive gave up on me. I have no hell of a clue what to do.

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Jay123baller
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 11:03:15 AM
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why did it post so many times? and when i try to delete them it says error.

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BooyakaBerger
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 11:24:58 AM
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im not a fanboy in the least bit (although lord knows ill be called one for this post) but i read some posts on here and frankly it just makes me laugh. most posts ive seen on here are just saying, "omg i hate the other console. they just hate ps3 cuz they are fanboys!" i find it funny because thats the majority of arguments ive seen on here... that and sony fanboyism.
why cant people just get into the spirit of gaming and get past console biases?

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BooyakaBerger
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 11:45:27 AM
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i also believe people shouldnt hate the wii... but im not gonna lie i have only two games to look forward to at this point and i have no idea when theyre coming out lol!

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Doomsquirrel
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 1:50:49 PM
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Ben, you have no need to apologize at all, because rants are necessary in these kinds of things since they point out everything with such a ferocious tenacity that those who oppose the article are left a sobbing, twitching heap in the corner of the room, and I say that needs to happen more often.

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TEG3SH
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 2:22:41 PM
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now i am LAST 4SURE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Blarghonk
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 2:29:47 PM
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And this website isnt one giant fanboy site where you get mad whenever someone says one bad thing about the PS3? By making this dumb news story youve shown how loyal and blind you are and thus how stupid you are. I love the 360, I dont have a PS3 and I dont necesarrily want one. Does that mean it sucks? No. I dont think its awful. I just dont want one right now. You fanboys need to calm down and stop hating. This website is awful and you need to think before you speak. Saying someone is a "fanboy", yelling at them about it, and then saying how awesome your system is is just as bad as them. Youre AWESOME PSXE! Do you want a hug for your crappy system? :(
I also love how you like to say you "have nothing against the other consoles" but then constantly go on to slander them and slander them. Pretty hypocritical of you.

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Blarghonk
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 2:29:52 PM
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And this website isnt one giant fanboy site where you get mad whenever someone says one bad thing about the PS3? By making this dumb news story youve shown how loyal and blind you are and thus how stupid you are. I love the 360, I dont have a PS3 and I dont necesarrily want one. Does that mean it sucks? No. I dont think its awful. I just dont want one right now. You fanboys need to calm down and stop hating. This website is awful and you need to think before you speak. Saying someone is a "fanboy", yelling at them about it, and then saying how awesome your system is is just as bad as them. Youre AWESOME PSXE! Do you want a hug for your crappy system? :(
I also love how you like to say you "have nothing against the other consoles" but then constantly go on to slander them and slander them. Pretty hypocritical of you.

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Kalel243
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 6:54:14 PM
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Ben, I have and love all 3 systems. Point is I have much love and respect for all 3. But honestly, I gotta tell ya, YOU sound like a PS3 fanboy. I mean I know the site is PSXEXTREME but you are bashing those you identify as 360 fanboys since they don't feel as favorably about the PS3 as you. However in spite of that, you are ranting like a fanboy. C'mon man, "fueled entirely by jealousy", " Xbox loyalists", that sounds like someone loyal to a system to me.
The game industry is reflecting the landscape of the political arena. No one wants to hear bashing on either side much anymore. True gaming fans just want the love to go all way around. we just want good games. Belittling something else just makes you look smaller.

Have you ever listened to Major Nelson? He and "E" don't hate on the PS3 or it's games and they have talked at length about playing some games and how good they are. What? From a Microsoft employee? That's what makes his show good. That is what real journalism is composed of. I am not saying you are not a true journalist, so let me apologize if it sounds like that. What I am saying is, dude, chill, the PS3 is an awsome system. It will have it's day in the limelight as well. Just don't go around bashing other systems by trying to prove that your system of choice is superior. It just comes off as bad journalism.

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NetheRealm
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 9:14:24 PM
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Another great controversial article. A guest journalist on XPlay yesterday said the only way to save the PS3 from 3rd place is a price drop & GOW3. Seriously he believes that's all the PS3 has going for it? If you love xbox & hate ps3 then why are you here instead of on XBOXEXTREME?

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shootu
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 10:10:50 PM
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@Pushtrak and JoshuaAdam360 why in the hell are you one here??? Just to piss people off???? This is PSXextreme so go to Xrox and be ROCK star there. Pushtrak pass the POP CAN to Josh crackers!

@Ben can we get rid of these idiots?????

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BigBoss4ever
Sunday, January 18, 2009 @ 10:57:09 PM
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lol most intense post I have seen on the site.

@Ben, I salute you for your words and fighting back.

@All blind 360 fanboy, you should all disappear from this site or will be deleted, period.

PS3, like all its predessessor, the legend will live on, period.

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King James
Monday, January 19, 2009 @ 3:31:23 AM
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I made the last comment! HA HA HA HA HA!

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, January 19, 2009 @ 4:38:09 AM
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Where am I?

Oh, under a huge Crap Fest!

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kidgrid
Monday, January 19, 2009 @ 9:22:20 AM
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I completely agree! The only one of my friends that owns an xbox360 that gets that its about the games, received a ps3 because someone owed him money,(lucky turd). all the rest of my 360 friends always say crap like oh if you like games like that. meanwhile they rant about gears2 and then stop playing it a month later. WOW! must be a kick ass game. I say is it better than the first and they say . . .eh i guess so. my point, if a game is great, its great regardless of system. would i buy a 360 to play them? sure if i had confidence that it would not die on me. I wouldn't buy a car if 5 of my friends bought one and had them die in less than a years time. i work hard for my cash.

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creepypete
Monday, January 19, 2009 @ 10:41:29 AM
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What a silly site this is. All PS3, all BS3, all the time. The PS3 is losing, does it really matter by how much?
I mean a loser is a loser no matter how you cut it. Stop your crying and deal with the fact that Sony is a thread away from bankruptcy.

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Jackeria
Monday, January 19, 2009 @ 11:48:36 AM
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creepypete...leave it out... this is like youtube video replies (we DON'T need them) Ben I completely agree, this war is crazy and should end, at the end of the day we all have a preference whether its for personal reasons like you've always had a microsoft or a sony.. or because which ever one has the carry on of games you like, but thats no reason to go bragging about yours and putting the others down. Why do we play games...for fun.. not just so you can brag that the games you play are better. Quite frankly none of us at home could make a better line up of games or consoles at all so be happy with what you've got and keep your baby arguments to yourself. Yes I do admit myself to being a slight sonyboy but thats it I'm not going to put others down I like GeoW2 etc etc, my neighbour has a 360 and we both enjoy playing each others consoles, no need for arguments really.

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KwicTriga
Monday, January 19, 2009 @ 4:46:14 PM
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oohhhh dear what a pickle......
i must say you may likesome of the stuff ive heard that makes 360 better than ps3 and here are some of them
ps3 is too expensive(even though you get what you pay for with ps3), the ps3 conrollers are small, the ps3 controllers are the same with the ps2, 360 is more powerfull (lmao), 360 has viva pinata, 360 has all the "g's", 360 has a better graphics card, 360 looks better, 360 is the cheapest console, 360 has a disc tray so its better and honest to god one of the best ive heard when i went into a shop to buy fallout3 i heard the sales men say to this guy who was planning ot buy a ps3 and he was trying to persuade him not to and he said that with the xbox 360 you get premium scratches on your discs unlike the ps3 i burst out laughing and got and the bloke baught te ps3 anyway and said to the guy "you F**cking inbred" absaloutely terrible i must say the salesman did look like a cyclops though

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KwicTriga
Monday, January 19, 2009 @ 4:46:22 PM
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oohhhh dear what a pickle......
i must say you may likesome of the stuff ive heard that makes 360 better than ps3 and here are some of them
ps3 is too expensive(even though you get what you pay for with ps3), the ps3 conrollers are small, the ps3 controllers are the same with the ps2, 360 is more powerfull (lmao), 360 has viva pinata, 360 has all the "g's", 360 has a better graphics card, 360 looks better, 360 is the cheapest console, 360 has a disc tray so its better and honest to god one of the best ive heard when i went into a shop to buy fallout3 i heard the sales men say to this guy who was planning ot buy a ps3 and he was trying to persuade him not to and he said that with the xbox 360 you get premium scratches on your discs unlike the ps3 i burst out laughing and got and the bloke baught te ps3 anyway and said to the guy "you F**cking inbred" absaloutely terrible i must say the salesman did look like a cyclops though

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Jackeria
Monday, January 19, 2009 @ 5:47:24 PM

Why bring back the argument? We don't care which console YOU think is best, what you bought is not the point, who comments here is a gamer end of... thats the category we all fall under, the only thing that I think makes a console bad is the owners of that console that claim they are better, by the looks of this your one of those people, which is why this thread was created in the first place.

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Powershifter
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:23:02 AM
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Ben,

I'm a few days late in posting this but I completely agree with your article. You actually made me realize that all of my friends who own an XBox 360 are at least on their 2nd console by now - and my brother in law gave up on XBox all together because his second one crapped out on him. He'll be getting a PS3 sometime soon.

Also, some of you might find this interesting - In October of 2000 I bought a PS2 two days after it came out (remember the shortage of systems?!). I had it for 6 years or so and it ran strong. I then sold it to a friend of mine who STILL uses it! Talk about reliability. But would you expect anything less from a company like Sony?

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spideydouble
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 4:51:49 PM
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Congratulations Ben on your efforts to make gaming journalism more professional.

"Are there any 360 exclusives that are in the impending spotlight? Seriously...any at all?"

Though maybe not "console" exclusives, Mass Effect 2, Alan Wake, Forza Motorsport 3, and Splinter Cell: Conviction come to mind. Most of these will definitely not be coming to the PS3 for years (if at all), though I do admit this list is seriously wanting.

I think it is better to avoid hyperbole and just say you think the announced 360 exclusives list is an utter disgrace in comparison to the great games you listed for the PS3 2009 lineup - reason enough to get a PS3 if you don't already have one. This, along with the rumored PS3 price cut, are the most compelling arguments for PS3 domination of hardware and software sales in 2009. We'll have to wait and see as the statistics roll in.

"Just because everyone you talk to says they're on their 63rd 360 doesn't mean anything!"

63rd? Really? Why the need for hyperbole? The failure rate of the original Xbox 360 is well documented. The fact that this failure rate is high (I would consider 30% high) and that reports of failures on updated hardware (Falcon and Jasper) continue at all is argument enough. Avoiding hyperbole advances your cause of more professional journalism and you should set the example.

At least give credit that Microsoft has publicly acknowledged the problem and has tried to remedy the situation with the extended warranty and hardware updates.

"...how many of those sold 360s are second, third, and fourth purchases from the same consumer because their previous console crapped out?"

Do you have any statistics to back this up or is this pure innuendo. Again, avoiding innuendo and hyperbole advances your cause of more professional journalism and you should set the example.

"I know warranties and the like will take care of some of them, but they can't possibly take care of all of them."

Agreed (at least in the case of Falcon and Jasper failures), but this does not excuse the innuendo above. What are the statistics on Falcon and Jasper failures? What has been Microsoft's response?

Additionally, 'fanboy' name-calling is not productive. We are all fans (whether we admit it or not). Otherwise, we would not pay hundreds of dollars on consoles and games and spend as much time as we do reading and commenting on websites such as this.

I am not trying to annoy or anger anyone. My point is that when pointing our others' faults, ALL of us (journalists and fans included) should do our best to set the example starting with ourselves.

With that in mind, everyone please try to communicate respectfully and at the very least - with proper syntax. ;)

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BikerSaint
Thursday, January 22, 2009 @ 10:32:23 PM
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Damn, damn, damn, I'm gone a week & it just took me 2 hours to sift through all the comments in this thread.

Hey, I've got an idea....
Why don't all the fanboys for both sides just try playing your own system of choice a little more & just maybe you won't have so much frigging free time to hate something you don't even have!!!!!

Hell, I'm a fan of ALL gaming consoles, I've got 9 systems going back a ways, & I still enjoy playing every damned single one of them whenever the mood hits!(just played Icebreakers on Panasonic's 3DO & C.O.D.'s Finest Hour on Xbox last week, & I've been playing Killzone on PS2 all this week)

So the moral of this story is simple.....ENJOY!
Just go play your own machine of choice & don't worry what the f*ck anyone else says or does.


BTW, this make's my post the last one(so far)

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AdventSign
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 1:47:26 AM
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Yeah really like it is interesting seeing the sales of stuff go up and down but when it comes down to it...it's about having fun and getting away from reality. Whether it is throwing grenades at unsuspecting enemies or trying to sew up a person after a gunshot to the chest. I don't really see why we are all fighting. We defend our opinions but hatred only beckons more hatred. I have all of the systems and I like each of them equally. It is fun seeing what each system is offering. The only thing I DON'T like about all this is the way Sony is acting...they aren't all high and mighty. Microsoft is doing the same thing unfortunately and it really bothers me. I have been waiting for awhile to see remarks that Nintendo has made but I haven't seen Nintendo pointing fingers saying that their system is better and superior. I don't know....maybe I am missing something about all these fights and stuff. But I like some games on each system. My brother and me both split the cost on all of them and he keeps the XBox 360 in his room and I keep the Playstation3/Wii in my room. I like debates but when you are bashing other people it just gets out of hand and it starts to get personal. Just have fun with whatever system you have and enjoy it. Everything comes to an end and life moves on. People used to argue over SEGA and Playstation and now history is just repeating itself. As far as the article goes...it is perfect. Yeah he might be pissed but who wouldn't be with all the flamers and stuff. Truthfully I live in the past and play games that are from 1991 and stuff. To me they are just as good as the stuff that is being made today. I have just gotten tired of seeing all the legal battles all of the companies have endured and some of the things that the companies have done to sell their products...it just has changed from when video games first came out. I am only 19 and I come on PS3 sites and Xbox 360 sites to find an honest opinion of systems and I haven't found any. After testing all the system I can safely say that I never get bored with one single system. I don't really like the Wii remotes needing to recharge through a station though. For some reason after a few months the batteries no longer charge anymore. Oh well... :(

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Badfanboytopic
Wednesday, July 15, 2009 @ 7:00:26 PM
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I hope your not saying that your Journal entry isn't biased, because by just reading this I can tell that you are obviously a PS3 fanboy, just like half the other comments. Sure PS3 is good for its exclusives, but a lot of them are hit or miss, and a majority of 360's exclusives all had big sales. Now with the online playing, the 360 has that, even though 360 owners have to pay, they are getting what they pay for, unlike on the PS3, I have been in some HORRIBLE I mean bad online games. So when you say your entry is UNBIASED make sure you read what you typed first.

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