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Hirai: Nintendo Not A Competitor, Xbox 360 "Lacks Longevity"

Well, you have to give the guy credit. He hasn't once backed off on his stance; he has always said the PlayStation 3 will emerge on top in this generation. And that's what Sony Computer Entertainment chairman Kazuo Hirai does: he makes bold statements, then works to try to back them up. Pretty simple, really.

According to a recent interview with OPM, Hirai said he believes Microsoft's Xbox 360 "lacks longevity" and won't be able to compete with the PS3 down the road. As far as Nintendo's gargantuan lead, Hirai simply said, "I'd like to think that we continue official leadership in this industry." He also said he doesn't look at the Wii as a competitor (which we at PSXE have been saying all along), and went on to say that "they're a different world and we operate in our world." And as always, when asked about the 360, Hirai says he has difficulty assigning just "one word" to the system, but in the interview he said "you need a word that describes something that lacks longevity." He went on:

"Last time I checked, they've never had a console that's been on the market for more than four or five years and we've committed to a ten year life cycle, so you do the math. And unless things go really bad, there's no way that at the end of a life cycle our competition is going to have a higher install base."

Well, that's probably true. The PlayStations just seem to stick around for a longer span of time, although the original went out in about 6 years. The PS2 is still going (it's currently in its 9th year), and Sony has said many times that the PS3 has a 10-year lifespan as well. The 360 isn't likely to last that long, but who knows? We don't try to predict the future, but it's part of Hirai's job to try.

1/20/2009 Ben Dutka

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www
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:22:03 AM
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I predict the 360 lasting till 2012-2013 and the ps3 going to 2014-2015.

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Zorigo
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:29:07 AM

that makes sense

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englishgolfer
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 12:11:39 PM

@ www

i don't know. if you use the xbox as a door stop you might get 20 - 25 years out of it ;-)

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Tim Speed24
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 1:12:34 PM

Yep, true. About the door stop thing.

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www
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 3:19:37 PM

Hahahahaa of course the 360 would last the longest if it was a door stop,it's flat!

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CH1N00K
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 8:54:17 PM

I don't know it's still made of plastic...one good hit with the door and you have a broken doorstop..:D

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kidgrid
Thursday, January 22, 2009 @ 9:42:35 AM

It would also make a nice night light with that soothing red glowing ring

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Dingodial
Friday, January 23, 2009 @ 4:06:59 PM

I have always thought that it looks as if it has been run over by a semi-truck or a train. The ugly piece of junk is curved inwwards on both sides! PS3 on the other hand looks as if it has so many features that is is about to explode since it looks bulgy!

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EddPm6
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:22:22 AM
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Of course it cant last that long. They would have to build machines that actually work!!! And the fact that in the new generation(PS4 Xbox w/e) they will HAVE to put it a new form of expanded drive. 9gb dvd WILL NOT cut it and is currently fading away. Ive heard xbox fanboys say " well blu-ray is useless because most games are only 9gb anyway." WEll,....no. most multi platform games are 9gb and developers are limited to how much they can create. GTA4?

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coverton341
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:36:46 AM

Next gen microsoft is going to go all out and back digital media I believe. Sure they will hang onto the DVD-9 format and put small initial installs of games on them but then they will rely more heavily on "DLC" which will be the actual game and the discs will be more like the system data for the games. This is just what I see happening for Microsoft. I see Sony pushing the larger blu-ray discs into the next system and trying to utilize the proto 300gb discs that are being developed. Which way will be the better idea? Who knows until it happens if it happens at all.

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bearbobby
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 1:42:29 PM

They can't hope to rely on strictly DLC for game media. Most of their US customers don't have the bandwidth or have an IP that caps their data flow. It's just not realistic right now.

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www
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 3:13:06 PM

I think it will be the biggest BLUNDER if MS do wat u said coverton341

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Powershifter
Thursday, January 22, 2009 @ 1:31:32 PM

Personally, I would rather have my game on a disc than on my HD, for a variety of reasons.

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Arvis
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:23:34 AM
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You know, what he says is all basically true, but fanboys are going to rip into this.

-Arvis

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Zorigo
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:28:54 AM

fanboys irritate me.

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Zorigo
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:28:39 AM
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it is so true, nintendo, know one compares them to ps3 and 360 anymore, and haven't been doing for a long time. the 360 lacks decent exclusives in my opinion. yeah, gears, halo, pgr, fable, but we have more, and that's enough for me. uncharted, gt5, lbp, killzone, mgs, god of war for starters. that's not a fnaboy comment, thats my opinion.

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coverton341
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:38:36 AM

The 360 still has a larger RPG base but hopefully that gap will close and maybe some of the companies could bring there RPG's to the PS3 I would love to play Lost Odyssey on one disc. I hated it the first time I played it but going through it again it is not that bad I guess.

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Arvis
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:53:29 AM

Sadly, Mistwalker would sooner fold and close it's doors completely before they work with Sony. That is, unless Mistwalker's higher-ups stage a coup and oust Hironobu Sakaguchi...

-Arvis

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coverton341
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 12:02:25 PM

Well since Ken Kutaragi stepped down in 2007 maybe Hironobu Sakaguchi will stop wearing his douche hat sooner or later and get over the "to hard to develop for" stigma. Probably not but I am holding out hope for at least the end of the year. In the meantime I will continue playing it on the 360 and uninstalling and installing discs to the HDD as needed. Crap.

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Orvisman
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 12:20:40 PM

@ Arvis,

Kind of difficult since Hironobu Sakaguchi started Mistwalker when he left SquareEnix.

I know why he left and dislikes Square, but I don't understand his dislike for Sony.

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kreate
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 8:47:00 PM

sakaguchi fought with some members in square enix as well as members in the playstation department of sony. so he dislikes them both. but he wasnt as happy on the blue dragon and lost odyssey sales. japanese ppl have abandoned him (in a way, or maybe he has abandon the japanese ppl). but only reason xbox started to sell in japan was becuz of the blue dragon xbox bundle.

although from a financial standpoint, sakaguchi might make games multiplatform (hopefully). i have both the blue dragon and lost odyssey. and its decent rpgs. lost odyssey a bit more of a dissapointment for me though.

anyone know what sakaguchi is doing now?

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pavlovic
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:29:26 AM
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I'm pretty sure that we'll have PS3 for quite a while and MS will be forced to have a new console in the next 3 years so they can compete with Sony Machine. That means the PS3 will be 5 years old and the 360 would last 6 tops.

So I think the real competitor for the PS3 in the long term will be the next Xbox console.

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N a S a H
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:30:14 AM
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I'm sure Microsoft are going to try make you download/install all your games onto your HDD and play them like a PC game. This is will probably happen for the 720. If that does happen I won't get it and I'll just stick to PC and PS4. (Whenever that is....)


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ps92117
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:34:52 AM
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Advertise and I see this being true, otherwise this crap. One thing that sony is being samrt about is creating new franchises instead of completely relying on the old ones, example, mag, infamous, lbp resistance, heavy rain,motor storm and in a way kz since it has being a long time from kz1.All of our classics are going away mgs4 was suppose to be the last, so is gow3 and gt5(there is only one that has not died yet damn, unfrotunetly not died yet, can you guess which?). Unlike ms with there 5th halo and probably 3rd gears, sony is bulding a name for the future.

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coverton341
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:40:42 AM

They probably won't take 10 years to come out with the PS4 but they will support the PS3 for ten years I mean like what was already stated the PS2 is still supported and it is in year 9 so I can absolutely see the same occurrence for the PS3

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ps92117
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:51:15 AM

sorry edited the comment

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coverton341
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:56:37 AM

GT5 is the last one!?!?! Dammit, man. I did not know that and that sucks balls. Anyway MGS4 was the last Snake story and probably the last one that Kojima will take the helm of but let us not forget they are making more Metal Gear's apparently though they most likely will never live up to Kojima's masterpieces but at least he is a true blue game developer and is coming out with more games and more original IP's and hopefully a new ZoE game

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King James
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 12:03:31 PM

New Z.O.E???!!! Yes, please!

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Daedusian
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:40:21 AM
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Yeah but do you think Sony will be pressured into releasing a PS4 sooner than expected if say the Xbox720 and WiiHD come out next year (or even 2 years from now)? Or do you think they'll be confident enough to keep going? I think they can easily do it, but maybe MS will improve greatly this time around since they screwed up so badly this gen with their faulty system. I mean, I just got my 360 this xmas and it's already pissing me off lol! - Idk, just some thoughts.

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coverton341
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:44:36 AM

I don't see the next MS system coming in the next year and if it did I think there would be a customer backlash seeing that people have so much invested in the 360 to just have to buy a new system so soon. The life cycle of hardware is longer than that and longer than that for a reason. Consumers as a whole do not want to change tech that fast with exception being made only to PC's really. But on the WiiHD thing I think Nintendo could have released it a year after the Wii and people would have eaten it up. For some reason Nintendo can do no wrong. All they have to do is slap that red logo on that has not changed ever and people will flock to it.

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Daedusian
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 12:11:25 PM

Yah, I know I don't want to upgrade systems seeing that I just got one lol.

And yeah, it doesn't even matter what Nintendo does for their next console.. it could be the exact same system with a new controller and they'll call it a day and make crazy money all over again like how they're doing with the Wii now.

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FreQaZoiD
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:42:05 AM
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My predictions for 2009-10 are: 1) XBox 360 will begin its decent THIS year and by Holiday 2010 it will be done. 2) M$ will announce their "next-gen" console early in 2010. 3) PS3 will continue its evolution as software developers discover new intricacies of such powerful hardware. By Holiday 2009, PS3 will begin outsell ALL other consoles monthly and not look back. 4) PS3 will drop in price by Holiday 2009.

This is simply my opinion XBots. :)

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coverton341
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:46:34 AM

One hole in your theory. Nothing will ever outsell the damn Wii. Hell the Wii is outselling cigarettes 3 to 1 and outselling gas 1.5 Wiis to every gallon of gas sold in America.

Those are true facts right there. ;)

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FreQaZoiD
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 3:36:13 PM

Yeah you're right... even I have a Wii (and a DS). But as we all know - the Wii is not a true competitor.

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kreate
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 8:53:38 PM

the wii is more of a electronic gadget that plays simple games. and nintendo has a different target audience than sony and micro. i give my salutations to nintendo for taking that move but are ppl going to buy a wii2 if nintendo ever make one?

although i think xbox sucks, its a hella lot better than a wii.

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whooka
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 12:28:11 PM
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If you want to see the PS3 hatewagon in action, check out wired.com as they just posted this same piece but under the title 'Top 5 Crazy Things PlayStation Boss Hirai Said Today' with a simple 'no comment required' after these points (from wired's side). sad, sad, sad. while i have no real interest in killzone2 as it's an FPS i can't wait for it to come out just so we have something to rally around when they publish these blogs as 'news' at wired.

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StrategicGnomer
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 12:34:07 PM
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Here's what I think is gonna happen, I think m$ will come out with the next console when this one dies, about 5 years into the ps3's 10 year span, then the ps4 will come out a few years after that, then the xbox, then the ps5 etc. and they'll just alternate. You know, I realized something the other day because, I always thought I was just a sony fanboy but that's not true, in the past i loved all systems, hell, I even like the wii a bit, i would buy one if i had the money so i'm not a fanboy, what it is, I just f***ing hate microsoft these days. Sure, windows xp was good, and the first xbox was good too (although halo was just too hyped up for me) but lately m$ has just been making crappy products. Vista, 360, M$ is just crap these days.

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MetalHead09
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 6:24:16 PM

theres only one game on the wii that interests me, deadly creatures looks so freakin neat. even if it is a little bit shallow over all i like the idea of playing a brawler as a spider or scorpion.

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King James
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 12:10:31 PM

don't forget the Zune

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shaydey77
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 12:36:57 PM
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Well the fact that many people have said Microsofts console has peaked leads me to believe he is right. Does PS3 have the ability to last out against newer consoles?? Of course it does. The PS3 will then become the cheapest console and sell more.(i dont include the gimmick).

As to if Microsoft launched a new console now I highly doubt there would be customer backlash. Look at the sheer amount of faulty systems they have shipped..any backlash there??
They are in it for the money, plain and simple.

theres nothing wrong with that except they really dont care about the gaming community.

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 9:55:19 PM

Exactly Shadey. If the XB 720 want to compete with the PS3 then its going to have to make great games off the bat (while possibly being marginally better than PS3) while the PS3 will be at its PRIME. It'll cost so much people will most likely ride it out for the PS4.

If they do something with Digital Downloads then they have no prospect here. If my HDD were to kick the bucket Im going to have to sit hours to Download ALL my sh*t again!!! NOPE! Not happenin.

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Jordahn
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 1:11:43 PM
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I do agree with him in regards to the 360 because I see the PS3 as a console with reliablity and room for plenty of improvement as we've seen and heard from other developers. But in regards to the Wii, he's wrong. I do agree that the typical gaming selection and style on the Wii is different from the 360 and PS3. But the reality here is that the general consumer still sees all three major gaming consoles as game consoles instead of the PS3 being a gaming console that goes above and beyond. $250 for a Gamecube is $250 less for a PS3. And that's the reality SONY has to address.

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NiteKrawler
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 6:06:37 PM

$250 for a Gamecube? Only if it's filled with drugs. In my opinion, the general consumer is not a gamer and general gamers do NOT see the Wii as a next gen console, let alone competition for the 360 or PS3. It's merely an innovative toy and its price reflects that. The PS3 however, is a high tech powerful piece of hardware that can not only play true next gen games, but also surf the internet, play Bluray movies, is virtually wireless, etc... and ITS price reflects THAT. That's the reality you have to face.

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MetalHead09
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 6:25:41 PM

well said nite

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Jordahn
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 10:01:30 PM

@Kite

What was I thinking? When I said "Gamecube" I meant "Wii." Sorry. But would you rather prefer a casual gamer to spend $250 on a Wii or save that $250 to eventually buy a PS3? It would be nice to see more casual gamers buy the PS3 because it lends more support to SONY. But no matter how you slice it, $250 on a Wii is $250 less for a PS3. I cannot see how anyone cannot see this reality.

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NiteKrawler
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 1:17:22 AM

I see what you're saying, but I don't know how Sony could do much about it. The PS3 is so expensive because it takes a lot of money to make it. I'm sure they wish it didn't cost so much so they could sell it at a lower price, which would be more incentive for casual gamers to pick it up. In time it will go down in price even more than it has but until then I think Sony is doing its best. And I figured you meant the Wii when you said Gamecube. Anyway I agree that it would be great if PS3 was more around the 360/Wii price range. For gamers AND Sony itself.

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Powershifter
Thursday, January 22, 2009 @ 1:46:42 PM

@ Nitekrawler: you said, "$250 for a Gamecube? Only if it's filled with drugs." If there was a PSXExtreme quote of the week, I think that would be it. I know 'Jordahn' meant the Wii, but man that was funny...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 1:12:31 PM
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The good Benstradamus Dutkasaurus is certain that software is THE seller of hardware and I concur. Here is my prediction on that front as if anyone particularly cares:

Storage media is still very important, and for the next gen experience we were promised to come true one just flat out needs more than 9 gigs. As more and more games like GOWIII, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, and InFamous hit shelves both gamers and formerly biased "journalists" will be forced to play these games because what Can and Is coming for 360 for all intents and purposes can't get much better than the exclusives it has at this very moment. When the best games are no longer on people's systems they will "break down" and buy a PS3.

Now, I have "broken down" and bought a few consoles in my time and if you also have then you know the thrill of secretly thinking, "Oh my God I was wrong the whole time, these games are better by far." SOFTWARE Goddammit, That is why 360 has not the longevity required to endure. At some point even games that were multiplat will not be able to make a new iteration that pushes the boundaries while still functioning on the xbox.

Face it, trying to jump forward on old media is trouble wether it's N64 and 32x with cartridges or Dreamcast with GDRoms, these attempts always fall short in the end. I still love my Dreamcast, and I hope people without RROD can love their Xboxcast while it lasts, but that time will draw to a close in the next few years.

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ps92117
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 2:12:24 PM

Well I agree, but in reality I think that without ads sony will be the dreamcast, but with ads I see a very tough road ahead for the 360.

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King James
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 12:21:20 PM

Great point World. It's simple and it make a whole lotta sense.

The XBox360 is limited because the software is limited. Its all relative.

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dirdiggler
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 2:46:50 PM
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So in about 5yrs ps4 will be out considering they put out a new system an the old 1 hangs around for a few years.. pfft xbox will have 1 out in 2yrs from now GAROOONTEEED!!!!!

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Crono
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 3:41:53 PM
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I can't believe anyone takes Kaz seriously. He's the biggest wind-up merchant in the business. :P

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isaya85
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 4:25:02 PM
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I think if M$ had released 360 with HDDVD and no rrod a year later with PS3 maybe 360 would have been able to go the distance and actually compete


PSN ID Biggest_GMoney

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 5:14:01 PM
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The 360 has nothing more to offer

I look at its future this year and into 2010 and I see nothing but more Halo and Gears

Seriously the 360's dead!

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kreate
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 8:55:57 PM

best games xbox has other than halo and gears are kameo and viva pinata. good luck xboxbots!

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Aftab
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 5:14:37 PM
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I don't think M$ will be upgrading anytime soon. The 360 has just hit it's affordable price range, they've got themselves a large fanbase that they wouldn't want to drop, not to mention a couple games that have yet to come out (halo expansion pack game, halo wars, and gears 3). So, I see the next m$ machine coming out no sooner than a year after the gears3, which would be around 2012. Maybe they could make Gears3 for the next system, instead, but again, not without neglecting their 360 fanbase.

As for Sony's next machine, they can't afford to wait much longer after. Hopefully they adopt a similar architecture as the present ps3, upgrade the graphics card, RAM, and Bluray capacity and readspeed, so that they can save on manufacturing process costs, and release a system at more affordable price point.

But one thing is for sure. Customers don't want to see a next gen system anytime soon, because they've spent more money during this gen than anytime before. Many Dev's may not want to just, yet, because development time and costs have gone up, and shorter gen-times means less sales and royalties.

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LCF
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 10:17:44 PM

lol GPU? in the PS4?.You are looking at a 10 or 20 core Cell processor in the PS4.CPU+GPU will soon be a obsolete system.RAM is not as critical with the Cell and Cell type design.

I sound like a damn broken record.lol
There is a reason why Intel is going with this Cell type design.

IBM is making PCs that dont use any type of windows or microsoft software.We are moving forward with computer technology.Microsoft is already starting to lose its grip over the PC market.

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aaronisbla
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 5:52:48 PM
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this has got to be a record, all these comments and not one MS supporter, or are they just around the corner?

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www
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 6:34:26 PM

lol

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ec0li
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 6:39:49 PM

Let me start it off then.

In the famous words of Dennis Green:

"They are who we thought they were!" :)

To be serious though, I don't think 360 fans really care that much. The 360 is already 3 years old going on 4. If it can last until 2012 which looks very likely, there should not be many complaints. 6 to 7 years sounds just about right for a console cycle in my opinion.

The main reason why MS stopped the original xbox which lasted 4-5 years only was that it was too damn expensive to make. Hard drives back then were just not cost effective at all. The original xbox reached 24 million during its lifetime and the 360 has reached 28 million in less time. MS's gaming division is now profitable. They sell tons of software and Xbox Live is bringing in a constant and sizable stream of revenue. The 360 definitely will not be going away for most probably another 3 years.

Nintendo on the other hand could care less. They're laughing all the way to the bank.

In the end, this statement was made to shut PS3 doomsayers up and to assure PS3 fans Sony is in this game for the long run.

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kreate
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 8:56:54 PM

well... if u want a m$ supporter and there isnt one, i can be the one if u want.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 9:27:05 PM

ecoli, sometimes I seriously wonder if the gaming division in M$ is profitable when you factor in the insane amount spent on ads and exclusives. Most games no longer advertise that they are even on PS3.

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ec0li
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:03:10 PM

@WorldEndsWithMe

I guess we'll just have to wait for MS's fiscal year 2009 reports.

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Aftab
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 6:36:23 PM
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Maybe, even they agree?

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kreate
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 8:57:23 PM

LoL

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bamf
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 6:38:57 PM
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How many 360 owners are on Live now? I'm not sure but is it around 8 mill? If M$'s next console is to be DLC only then this 8 mill will be their target audience.

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jdt1981
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 7:14:01 PM
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I agree with everything Kaz said. The Wii competes with the PS3 like the Toyota Camry competes with Rolls Royce in the automobile industry... Also as more and more games take advantage of BR disk capacity like MGS4 the Xbox 360 with DVD-9 will look more and more antiquated. In theory I guess Devs could just use multiple disks for 360 games in the future but from what I've heard from devs like John Carmack M$ charges large royalties for games over 2 disks. These royalties are a big problem for devs who already spend tons of money just making the game plus there's the fact that multiple disks aren't suitable for all games.

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LCF
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 8:22:39 PM
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Aside from the RROD,just looking at the X360 hardware you know its not in it for the long haul.Microsoft was not looking at a ten year console cycle.Did not take long for PC to out perform it.Basically it was a quick buck.

Sony invested alot for its gamer base.
1.Invested in a new disc storage(Blu-ray)
2.Invested with IBM(Toshiba)Make a radical chip
(Cell B.E)
3.No disc trays.
4.HDMI 1.3a standard(Full range RGB and Super white)
5.Web browsing.
6.Open system(any linux based O/S)
7.Free networking.
8.Built in Ion recharge battery pack(Dualshock3,best controller ever IMO)
9.Built in Wi-Fi.
10.USB 2.0 support.
11.Up to 7 channel Bluetooth support.
12.Printer support.
13.Photo support.
14.Music support(ATRAC 352 kbps @ 44.1/88.2/176.4 Khz)
15.DVD upscaler(Top of the line)
16.BD 1080p 24Hz Output.
17.Blu-ray Player(Top of the line)
18.Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master Audio 7.1 support.
19.PSP remote play(I can access my PS3 from work over the net)
20.Optical audio out(Linear PCM)
21.SATA HDD(mine is 320gb)

People bytch about price and Sony heard,so you lost.
1.B/C with PS2 only games(lost the EE chip and GPU)
2.Flash media card readers.
3.2 USB ports.

I never complained about the price I got the 80 gig for $600,knew it was just over $800 hit for Sony to make.It was a steal with all it could do.Hardcore gamers such as myself are in my age group of 30-40 years old.Sony grew with us.It was meant to be a media hub(games/movies/photos/music/internet).PS2 and xbox was trying to do this last gen with DVD movie playback.Sony just took it one step further and made it advanced and future proof.This is no toy.

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 10:15:08 PM

Thats why the Xbox gamers should feel duped! If they dont they're being ignorant. Their interests were not in mind at M$, PERIOD.

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LCF
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 10:23:18 PM

Forgot about that damn huge power brick for the X360.The PS3 has it all internal with a quiet fan.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 9:28:00 PM
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"The light that burns twice as bright goes out twice as fast" -Bladerunner.

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 10:13:17 PM

Nice...and so appropriate.

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NightHawk17
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 10:50:29 PM

Dude i just watched the movie last weekend, I LOVE IT!! Roy was so BADA$$..and not to sound like a jerk but it's:
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long"

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ec0li
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:01:15 PM

If owning a 360 is wrong, then I don't want to be right!

@Wage SLAVES

"Thats why the Xbox gamers should feel duped! If they dont they're being ignorant. Their interests were not in mind at M$, PERIOD."

And Sony has your best interest in mind? Big companies do what they can to make profit, nothing more, nothing less. You're basically calling 360 gamers stupid for buying the 360 because they chose to play a set of games that they prefer on that system. Btw, you're better off insulting and complaining to the big companies than your fellow gamers. Way to go FANBOY!

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ec0li
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:08:11 PM

@Wage SLAVES

Btw, do you own a 360? It seems you're between a rock and a hard place. If you do own a 360, you're one of those "duped" and "ignorant" suckers. If you don't, then you're just one those FANBOYS that just love to taunt the other side for no other reason. Pick your poison.

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LCF
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:13:57 PM

I recommend watching Blade Runner on Blu-ray.Very stunning for it's day.Transformers is visual and audio stunner and shows why there is no one that can match ILM and Skywalker sound.Blu-ray makes a huge difference.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:35:09 PM

I stand corrected Nighthawk :) Haven't seen it in awhile.

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Wage SLAVES
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 2:19:24 AM

@ecOli

Pick my poison? Lol. Look I've said it before I have the cash to get a 360 but its just not worth the couple of months before it bricks. Anyways apparently I hurt your feelings but you are Obviously ignorant.

I did my research on the systems and at the time I was prospecting for a system the PS3 was already out. Now I just dont see an excuse for owning a 360. Look if you think M$ is healthy as a whole for the console gaming community than I think I'm done with your opinion.

P.S. Try to be more civil when arguing, D*ck

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ec0li
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 2:50:15 AM

@WageSLAVES

Haha, feelings? I'm a robot, I've got none.

You failed to see my point. You should just be happy with what you have and that's that. The fact that you call 360 owners "ignorant" "duped" people shows me where your level of thinking is. Only FANBOYS do that type of thing.

Btw, I happen to think LCF is one of the smarter peeps who comment here. Him owning a 360 and an elite one to boot does not make him "ignorant". Hell you can add Aftab and Mr. Dutka on that list. "Duped" maybe, but "ignorant" naaaww.

I've been pretty civil with my arguments. Maybe I should try and copy your style instead so you can understand.

Here goes: Right back at you, D*ck!

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Wage SLAVES
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 3:04:37 AM

@ecOli

Shouting out Fanboy isn't all that civil.

I was speaking of those that have gotten burned by the M$ machine. Im telling you, your just not getting it...if you are burned by the bricked 360 then you are "duped" if you deny that fact you are "igonorant".

Get it together.

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Wage SLAVES
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 3:06:29 AM

You seemed to single me out that is why I called you a D*ck

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ec0li
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 11:58:49 AM

@WageSLAVES

If it walks like a FANBOY and it talks like FANBOY then it must be a FANBOY.

Let me say it again. If certain gamers choose a specific system for games that they prefer, it's their prerogative. They don't need to be called "ignorant" by somebody who does not even own that system.

You should just shup up and sit down. Civility is out the window because you don't deserve it.

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LightShow
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 10:51:31 PM
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ouch...

That musta stung, eh M$?

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LCF
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 @ 11:28:40 PM
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@ec0li I felt duped.Microsoft knew about.
1.Disc gouging.
2.Over heating processors(RROD)
3.E-74 error (upscaler or GPU fried,not covered $100 fix)

They still released a product that end up having a 33% fail rate.That is unheard of in the console market.It should of been recalled.

Funny really I'm not going into great detail with all the X360 problems.However if you look across the whole microsoft hardware spectrum you'll see microsoft can't make any good quality hardware.Microsoft really needs to stick with software.

I went though 2 X360s and end up buying a Elite.Now as far as im concerned X360 install base is inflated because of reoccuring purchases like myself.Also makes you think about how many games had to be repurchased because of disc gouging.

My Elite will last a long ass time because it dont get used.(Gears 1.5 was a huge let down)
Besides Killzone 2 will knock everyone's ass down that I know of.

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ec0li
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 1:05:37 AM

Let me play devil's advocate. With all those problems you have regurgitated for the millionth time(you did say that you're a "broken record") and going through 2 360s why the hell do you still buy a 360? Not only a regular 360, but MS's most expensive version is what you chose.

I have experienced an rrod myself. I'm no advocate of these big companies, both MS and Sony. Even though the PS3 is definitely a quality machine, it just amazes me when people think that Sony is some type of charity corporation. They are just as greedy as MSft and exist to make a profit.

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Wage SLAVES
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 2:26:24 AM

@ecOli

That is a stupid statement to say that Sony is as "Greedy" as M$. Your brain just isn't in the game now is it. We all know M$ rushed their sh*t out of the door to get a head start. Now that has greed written all over it. $ before the customer. Quit making excuses and admit it. Sony has yet to treat their customers like Sh*t and I hope the gamers that got stiffed, besides you because you apparently like it in the A$$, stay away from that cancer.

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ec0li
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 1:07:27 PM

@WageSLAVES

Maybe you should try and take off those rose-colored glasses that you have on so you can see better. Sony does not care about you(same with MSFT or Ninty). They only care about making their shareholders happy and the almighty bottom line. Unless they give you a huge paycheck every 2 weeks, you should start thinking about if kowtowing on the Sony altar is worth it.

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LightShow
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 4:52:10 PM

@eColi

while they *may* not genuinely care about giving me a quality machine, they certainly are good at making me think they want my money, and are willing to jump through a few hoops to get it.

When I deal with Sony, I feel like a valued customer. The thing with M$ is they cant even maintain a thin facade of this kind of customer service. To them, I'm disposable and they don't care if i think so. THATS the difference between the two.

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somethingrandom
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 12:37:33 AM
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Well I hope people aren't hoping for their Ps3 to last forever... The problem with hard drives is that many die by 4-5 years. This means that most everyone will have to buy a new PS3 or replace their HDD. Sure hope you keep a backup.

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Wage SLAVES
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 2:39:05 AM

I can second that. I bought a HDD and it crapped out on me the 1st week. I have an external HDD and usb memory for game saves. Can never be too careful!

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ps92117
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 1:07:19 AM
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LCF seeing how you know bout hardware an all what would u put the price of a single cell be chip 3 years from now?

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dveisalive
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 1:20:54 AM
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Why do people buy 360 anyway? I rather get a Wii that I already have, Ill take Metroid Prime 3 over Halo 3 anyday PERIOD! by the way PS3 rules!

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Deleted User
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 2:45:56 AM

Ok then.

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LCF
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 2:41:39 AM
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For all of you,The Cell is very complicated,So here it goes.Put simply the Cell processor is composed of a single 64-bit RISC PowerPC processor and eight SPE 32-bit units. These are bound together by a fast internal bus, the Elemental Interface Bus (EIB). A built-in dual channel memory controller is included, and connects to a current maximum of 256MB of extremely fast Rambus XDR memory.Communication with the rest of the system is provided by the FlexIO bus. This interface also allows high speed, chip-to-chip communication between different Cell processors, either inside or outside the same computer system.

The Cell processor running at 3.2GHz,is capable of a theoretical maximum of 256Gflops, thus placing it instantly at the forefront of potential multi-chip supercomputer designs of the future. The chip is built on a 65nm process and contains 234 million transistors.

The Cell is capable of dynamic power management (perhaps a variant of Transmeta'a Long Run power management technology) throttling itself to suit the current processing load.

The Synergistic Processing Elements: Cellular Engines.
Each Synergistic Processing Elements(SPE)is a powerful processor in its own right, focused on one thing, churning through single precision and double precision mathematical calculations. As each SPE component is a subordinate part of the whole Cell processor, they can dispense with a lot of the complex instruction queuing logic that a typical modern single processor computer needs. Each SPE gets its orders from the 64-bit Power PC unit which handles the scheduling and parceling of data out to the SPEs. Instead the focus is on speed.

Each SPE has 256KB of on-die memory allotted only to it, but instead of being used as conventional cache memory, this small area of high-speed storage is actually addressed almost like typical system RAM. The L1 cache memory found in conventional processors is highly automated, making it simple to program for but adding overhead. With the Cell processor, programmers can dictate exactly how they wish their software to use the 256KB allotment available to each SPE. This allows execution efficiency to be increased with good software design. It also allows better memory management and security from buffer overflows and other exploits.

Individual SPEs should be able to pass data to each other by storing it in specific areas of the system memory, forming a chain of processing units each performing a different operation on the data. Obviously this requires an extremely fast interface between the system RAM and the SPEs.Thats the Cell in a nutshell.

In 2008, IBM announced a revised variant of the Cell called the PowerXCell 8i, which is available in QS22 Blade Servers from IBM. The PowerXCell is manufactured on a 65 nm process, and adds support for up to 32GB of slotted DDR2 memory, as well as dramatically improving double-precision floating-point performance on the SPEs from a peak of about 14 GFLOPS to 102 GFLOPS total for 8 SPEs. The IBM Roadrunner supercomputer, currently the world's fastest, consists of exactly 12,240 PowerXCell 8i processors.

So as you can see, GPU in the PS4? Highly(I stress!) unlikely.

As for the price in 3 years? that I dont know. Depends on how many atoms can be removed from the chip without compromise.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 2:52:25 AM

That was some kinda Robocop Ninja sh*t.

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Wage SLAVES
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 3:53:01 AM

Who needs Discovery Channel? I swear you learn something everyday...

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King James
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 1:07:52 PM

And that's why, my friends, knowledge is power.

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somethingrandom
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 9:19:52 PM

You forgot to mention that one of the 8 SPE's in the PS3 is locked out, and one of the other seven is reserved for the OS. There are six available for gaming. I expect a socket on the motherboard for GPU's before a CPU-only Playstation.

Btw, for all of you who think this is really impressive knowledge, think again. I learned most of what I know from a magazine, and the rest from PC hardware books. All you need is a good memory, cuz it's explained pretty well.

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LCF
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 11:30:32 PM

That must of been a really small book.

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Dingodial
Friday, January 23, 2009 @ 4:39:27 PM

LCf's info is very impressive but this is all I know: I know that PS3 has 8 cores, 256 mb. RAM, games with 60 frames per second, and 2 trillion calculations per second.

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 2:45:35 AM
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This is complete garbage. I really expected more from the fans here.

I see now that it IS becoming impossible for people to just like the Playstation without hating the Xbox.

I for one find it very odd Ben that the Xbox just had its best sales year EVER yet all you guys are claiming it wont last.

Some people like the 360. Some people simply dont want a PS3 now. Is it really that hard? Come on guys..show some dignity.

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LCF
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 3:39:37 AM

JA360 is more the other way around. So get your head out of your ass and listen.

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King James
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 1:15:19 PM

I love my PS3 and have no disdain toward the Xbox. They haven't taken any $$$ outta my pocket (I'm not repairing my 360). I played the games I wanted to play and feel content about it.

But Josh, U have to realize that unlike me...most ppl really liked/loved their 360 and it failed on them (more than once)! That will turn ANYBODY off of ANY consumer product.

And yes, ur system won't last. It was built for today and not tomorrow. Something u, the 360 fan, should be well aware of.

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Arvis
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 1:22:10 PM

Dude, a lot of the people here HAVE a 360 and love many of the games that are on the system. But the console itself is garbage, and anyone sensible knows it. Crap consoles can still have good games.

Besides, no one knows how successful either console will be this year, we just have to wait and see. I just can't fathom the 360 continuing to post healthy numbers when it has nothing new coming out this year. The only reason anyone is even cognizant of the name "Alan Wake" is because 360 owners who are DESPERATE for something to look forward to constantly bring it up for lack of anything else to talk about.

Sorry, but if you were expecting everyone to go "hey, the 360 will be great even with no new exclusives" then you were mistaken.

-Arvis

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LCF
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 5:24:26 AM
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PS3 Exclusives for 2009.
1.Demon's Souls - February 5th 2009 JP, TBA 2009 NA/EU
2.EyePet: Your Virtual Pet - TBA 2009 NA/EU/JP
3.God of War III - Q4 2009 NA/EU/JP
4.Gran Turismo 5 - Q4 2009 NA/EU/JP
5.Heavy Rain - TBA 2009 US/EU/JP
6.InFamous - May 2009 NA, Spring 2009 EU/JP
7.Killzone 2 - February 27 2009 US, February 2009 EU, TBA 2009 JP
8.MAG - TBA 2009 NA/EU/JP
9.Quantum Theory - TBA 2009 (2010?) NA/EU/JP
10.Ratchet & Clank Future 2 - Q4 2009 NA/EU/JP
11.Uncharted 2: Among Theives - Q4 2009 NA/EU/JP
12.WarDevil: Unleash the Beast Within - TBA 2009 NA/EU/JP
13.White Knight Chronicles (aka White Knight Story) - Q2 2009 NA/EU, December 25 2008 JP
14.X-Edge - March 2009 NA, TBA 2009 EU, September 25 2008 JP
15.Yakuza 3 - February 26 2009 JP, TBA 2009 NA/EU
16.Yakuza: Kenzan - TBA 2009 US/EU, March 6 2008 JP


2009 PSN Titles.
1.Fat Princess - Spring 2009 NA/EU/JP
2.flOwer - Ferbuary 2009 NA/EU/JP
3.Nobi Nobi Boy - TBA 2009 NA/EU/JP
4.Ragdoll Kung Fu: Fists of Plastic - TBA 2009 NA/EU/JP
5.Savage Moon - January 15 2009 NA, December 23 2008 EU, TBA 2009 JP


2009 Semi-Exclusives.
1.The Agency - TBA 2009
Platforms: PS3/PC
2.DC Universe Online - TBA 2009
Platforms: PS3/PC
3.Free Realms - TBA 2009
Platforms: PS3/PC
4.MLB ’09: The Show - March 3 2009 NA
Platforms: PS3/PS2/PSP
5.NBA '10 - Q4 2009 NA
Platforms: PS3/PSP

I think this speaks for itself.


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King James
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 1:17:51 PM

ha ha...semi-exclusives.

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jdt1981
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 5:49:50 PM

That's quite an impressive list and I'm looking forward to allot of those.

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FreQaZoiD
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 11:09:02 PM

Thanks for the list! Also Assassin's Creed 2 is a possible for 2010...

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Powershifter
Thursday, January 22, 2009 @ 2:12:18 PM

Ratchet & Clank Future 2??? Are you sure about that? Because I would love it if you were right...

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tanner1
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 6:59:06 AM
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@ ffrulez i have a ps3 @ when its eventually "maxed out" does th@ then mean its done and no good then? It should mean u then get more consistant quality no?

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King James
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 1:18:41 PM

hmmm....

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Arvis
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 1:23:58 PM

....but no progress. This is bad if there is a competing product on the market that is constantly getting better.

-Arvis

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King James
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 2:56:07 PM
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Did y'all know that some 360 manager blasted Hirai for his comments?? What an ass. He's rebuttals were baseless and showed that he clearly missed Hirai's point.

http://www.thebitbag.com/2009/01/20/aaron-greenberg-responds-to-statements-made-by-kaz-hirai/


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LightShow
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 5:00:54 PM

I loved how he said that M$ were "innovators".

while the 360 does a lot of things "different", different doesn't always mean innovative. Most of the 360's "innovations" are on the business side of things, I cant see one thing new the 360, everything it has was here last generation.

alright, the pack-in wireless controllers were new. i'll give them that.

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jdt1981
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 6:19:37 PM

Yeah it's funny hearing this guy talk about innovation being apart of M$'s DNA... LMAO When I think of innovation in games I don't think of M$... M$'s first party studios have so far released the same old franchises with Halo 3, Fable II, PGR 3 and Forza 2 and soon they will be releasing some Halo spin offs that I guess is their way of being "innovative". M$ also has allot of third party devs releasing franchises on the 360 that were exclusive to Sony consoles in previous generations such as Final Fantasy, GTA, DMC, etc., again no innovation there. Sony on the other hand has created new franchises like Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Infamous, Home, LBP, etc, some have been hits others haven't but at least they're trying new things instead of releasing the same old franchises over and over...

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LCF
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 7:29:57 PM

Microsoft's gaming division is prolly asking themselves or SHOULD be asking themselves, where do we go from here?

What can they do to keep their so called "lead" in 2nd place(I think repurchases make the install base inflated)

You need technology to be innovative. Take the Wii-mote and Wii system. If the Wii had more computational power, there could be more quality games on there that could use the wii-mote to it's fullest potential. The Wii had potenial IMO but failed with lack of hardware(It's a toy nothing more)

Microsoft after 3 years is in this boat.Their hardware and disc storage choice only took them this far...Now what? In a couple of years the X360 will prolly end up with just shovelware.

Bigger and more computational demanding games are only a few years out for 3rd parties if not now and im not just talking about graphics only.

I blame the economy for the PS3 not being in 2nd or even 1st place in user base(but then again whats to say it isn't?,again my inflate theory)

As technology advances so does the cost to produce it, video games is no exception.
I blame Sega for this..for releasing the Dreamcast and showing us that video games is not just a hobby...but an artform.

Game designers compete with each other on who can make the best and innovative game(GDC anyone?)To tell a story and bring it as close as you can to your vision, you need technology(MGS4)

Epic/grand game on limited hardware?
or
Epic/grand game on Higher powered hardware?

Let me put it this way.If The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time was to be re-made and updated on any console system, which would you chose?
Imagine if everyone owned all 3.

WII. (8.54 GB dual layer) Wii-disc
X360.(8.50 GB single-sided double-layer) DVD9
PS3. (50 GB dual layer) Blu-ray

What system would you want your epic game on?

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Wage SLAVES
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 8:44:56 PM

@LCF

I think your right. The Wii did have some potential, huh? I think they would've had a great gaming machine if they would of put a lil more horse power. Instead they underpowered it, basically, neutering it. In turn it grew stale and FAST.

In the end Nintendo isn't dissatisfied but what of the millions of Wii owners out there?

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King James
Thursday, January 22, 2009 @ 1:49:21 PM

@LightShow
Don't give them nothing.
@jdt
Good point. I can count on 1 hand the number of fresh new and GOOD IPs M$ has come out with.
@LCF
Good analogy. Ocarina of Time re-made? PS3 plz.

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LCF
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 @ 11:45:03 PM

@ffrulez with all the damn problems it has and microsoft KNEW about it,you can sit there and tell me, it's great Now? Microsoft scammed their gamer base...gamers as in US! Microsoft makes America look bad for being a cheap greedy
corp.Look at all those damn lawsuits.Go google it.

That whole future proofing and present proofing is nonsense.What I think you are trying to say is that Sony is god awful at marketing this beast in-which I agree 100%.

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dveisalive
Thursday, January 22, 2009 @ 1:41:08 AM
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DAM LCF YOU GOT A POINT IF ZELDA WAS TO BE MADE ON PS3 HOLY YOU KNOW WHAT! THATS LIKE A WET DREAM! LOL! BUT BETER!

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sabitrulz
Friday, January 23, 2009 @ 11:15:58 PM
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Huh!whosz gonna compete wid the beast

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LowKii
Tuesday, January 27, 2009 @ 1:24:29 PM
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Microsoft cant make software, so they try hardware, can't make hardware soooo whats next for them? Friggin..... paper towles?

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Will the PS4 continue to outsell the Xbox One?
Definitely. Microsoft has no hope.
Probably, but it will be a tight race.
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