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PlayStation 3/Xbox 360 Graphics Gap Will Start To Widen

We really have to look at history if we wish to become educated on...well, on anything. Granted, business can be fickle and Sony and Microsoft have switched roles in more ways than one in this new generation, but we can only go by what we've learned in the past. And if we examine the previous generation, one should compare the graphical leap shown on the systems.

Now, if you compare PS2 launch titles to later games like Final Fantasy XII, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, Gran Turismo 4, and God of War II, it's like you're comparing titles on two completely different platforms. The reason for this, as everyone already knows, is because developers had a terrible time getting accustomed to the new architecture. They complained bitterly at the launch of the system, so it's no surprise that it took five or six years for the PS2 to start pumping out the truly brilliant-looking games. Now, these same developers complained in much the same fashion when the PS3 launched, but this time around, Sony appears to have offered much more in the way of help to third-party developers, and first-party developers are really excelling.

In direct comparison, we can't say the visuals in late-gen Xbox games looked that much different than Halo, and again, the reasons are obvious: developers loved how accessible the system was, and many claimed to be able to access much of the system's capability from the start. Again, that same thing happened with the 360, which is why we really haven't seen anything too massive in the way of visual leaps. Sure, Gears of War 2 looks amazing, but not significantly more amazing than the original. And some studios are even claiming they've already maxed out the 360, which you can choose to believe or not (we won't comment; we're not developers). On the flip side, Killzone 2 is absolutely the best-looking game of the generation (just trust us on this), and Guerilla has said they have not gone as far as they can with the PS3. Combine this with David Jaffe's comments concerning what he has seen of God of War III, and what we can probably expect in terms of visuals from other exclusives (Gran Turismo 5, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, etc.)...and well, it seems quite clear.

From here on out, you will see the visual gap between the PS3 and 360 widen. It's basically inevitable, as Sony and more importantly, developers, have been saying since the start of the generation. Multiplatform titles will probably continue to look mostly the same across both consoles, but it's becoming clearer that if you let devs off the chain and dive into the PS3 without having to worry about the 360, they can really create something dazzling. Last generation, when the Xbox launched, its launch software put most PS2 games to shame (graphically). But by the time the generation was over, the aforementioned PS2 titles competed quite favorably with the best the Xbox has to offer. This time around, I think we're seeing an earlier-than-expected acceleration of the PS3's power, and the future exclusives will prove that Sony absolutely has the visual edge this time around. The only question is, how far will they push the gap...?

1/28/2009 Ben Dutka

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Comments (302 posts)

AceTatsujin
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 10:32:19 PM
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Very, very far. Heavenly Sword was the start, Unchartered was there, MGS IV picked up and pushed the graphics, and here we have K2 storming through CELL and eating as much as 60% of its raw power and delivering outstanding graphics, the best game with graphics across all platforms that is and as of now.

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wasim
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:03:34 AM

well x360 is finished

27th february will be the nail in its coffin

PS3 will win this gen too. PS3 had a slow start

but after 27th it is all over for X360

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rell
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:13:58 AM

Ive couldn't agree more. Ps3 is a beast.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:18:01 AM

Lol he said "unchartered"

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AceTatsujin
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:30:31 PM

Uncharted*

I'm a human, I make mistakes like you. :P

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 8:29:25 AM

I ain't human, I'mma Wizard!

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 10:34:03 PM
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im not sure if its gonna get any better than Gears 2 on the 360, id love to be proven wrong but not too sure

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wasim
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:04:11 AM

KZ2 looks 50x better than Gears 2

Gears 2 looks more like a PS2 game vs uncharted so no need to even mention KZ2

A NEW TROLL ACCOUNT

are u mart from Xboxkings??

Gears 2 ?

that doesnt even look like a next gen game

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NightHawk17
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:40:12 AM

i believe he's from the Psu forums if i'm correct

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aaronisbla
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:30:36 AM

pardon me Ben...

wassim, why dont you just shut the f*ck up sometime? ive been here way longer than you so f*ck off fanboy, hell you give fanboys a horrible name. I don't understand how josh can catch flak but this sorry ass excuse for a fanboy doesn't

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somethingrandom
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:35:48 AM

@wasim
He's saying he doesn't think any future 360 games will be better than Gears2.

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Naga
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:17:10 AM

Why not just say Gears 2 is inferior to Killzone 2 but was the attack needed?

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:23:27 AM

Remember aaron. Its only fanboyish if I say it and if it is against Sony.

Josh is paid by MS.

Josh has never played a PlayStation. Hes knows nothing about them.

Josh is hear because he hates all Sony products. He has launched a crusade against the PS3.

Jeez man get in the program.

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www
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:42:29 AM

Hey Aaron,you brought this on yaself,i also thought u meant ps3's graphics won't be better than gears 2 in the future,next time try to form ya comments properly or else u catch unnecessary flak........boy!

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aaronisbla
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:14:19 AM

" im not sure if its gonna get any better than Gears 2 on the 360, id love to be proven wrong but not too sure"

www, i quoted myself because im really trying to see how i asked for this, when i clearly say on the 360, i didn't even mention ps3. Doesn't take a lot of reading skills to see that...

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Orvisman
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:19:22 AM

Actually, you're all wrong for attacking aaronisbla. It was clear to me what he meant.

Then again, I am a professional writer/editor.

The problem might have been with your comprehension of what he wrote not with WHAT he wrote.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:24:08 AM

Alright Aaron i know you've been here since early in the PSX days, and I usually respect your comments, but the way it was worded made me double-take a bit. Yes, by having the intellect that I do, I was able to re-read your post and I did get the meaning you were trying to present.

And I agree with you 100%...wasim is a stupid ass fanboy jerk-off, who should be put out of his misery. I understand what I just said was extreme, but 99% of that dumbass's posts are just plain retarded and fanboyesque. Wasim makes Josh look like a saint.


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www
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:49:12 AM

okaaaaaaayyyy mister aaron,take it eazy,i guess i read ur statement in a hurry,i've read it again n it makes sense,r u satisfied NOW!

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www
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:07:36 AM

aaron i understood ya comment the first time, but u should know that, not everyone here is american,PSX is worldwide so is all other sites thus,don't write to the understandin' of only ur fellow americans.

Hey then i guess Wasim n aaron need to exchange apologies ,cause Wasim got it completely MISUNDERSTOOD n u aaron........pounced on him too quickly,alright????? So everybody is happy n then we can all sleep well at night....lol!

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aaronisbla
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:29:11 PM

i didnt mean to sound harsh www, my bad, but my comment to wasim stands, he read it the way he wanted to, he is always quick to call someone out for being a fanboy if they even say something favorable about the 360

hell i enjoy my ps3 a lot more but i didnt think i would have to state that before commenting

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Jed
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:12:23 PM

I don't see why people are having a hard time understanding it.

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chicko1983
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 10:45:34 PM
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The gap will be a bit clearer for everyone to see when Killzone is released.
I personally dont think the xbox360 will be around too much longer and MS will announce their next system sometime in 2010

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 10:58:11 PM
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Chicko makes an interesting point, what would it do to the industry if a system and its direct competitor no longer went head to head but instead took their own path? Would people rake M$ over the coals because the 360 couldn't keep up with the PS3 and they had to release a second machine (technically in the same generation) to compete? Interesting questions these.

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chicko1983
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:27:23 AM

yeah but I would expect that MS would take the angle that they won this console generation because they have more sales at the time of announcing their next system.
They already said something along those lines by saying that the system which sells 20m consoles first wins based on previous generations of consoles.
I expect the ps3 to last 10yrs min giving it far better lifetime sales than the xbox360.
As I said on another page, I expect the next xbox wont be a huge leap forward and will only bring it up to the same capabilities as the ps3. They cant afford to release a system more expensive than the ps3 in this economic climate.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:37:23 AM

Yeah WEWM:

except I've said the same things a few days ago :P

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 4:34:40 PM

my bad, you know what they say about great minds.

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 8:30:32 AM

They think alike my friend!

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godsman
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 11:21:40 PM
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Killzone is great, but in the interview with the developer, they said they limited Killzone 2 to 720p because they want to keep the game smooth. Dont get me wrong, its a first day purchase for me. It made me think that the 1080p isnt an ideal resolution for the PS3, maybe PS4 things all games will be 1080p. Maybe the developers will find a way around that, we'll see...

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ThugNificent101
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 11:53:03 PM

thats actually somewhat of an old statement.
It was confirmed as early as November of 2008 that Killzone 2 would natively support 1080i resolution

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aaronisbla
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:34:23 AM

hate to play devils advocate but 1080p =/= 1080i

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Akuma07
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:33:12 AM

um....aaron....we know?


i can only pump out 1080i either ways atm.
so im not fused.

is 1080p much of a jump in quality to 1080i?

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:49:44 AM

Allow the Wizard to ellaborate:

1080i and 1080p are different!

The only difference is the way the the lines are loaded onto the screen. Interlaced images load lines through odd's and evens. The even's will load first shortly followed by odd's. eg. 2,4,6,8,10 will load, then 1,3,5,7,9 etc... etc..

1080p ... Progressive scan images will load sequentially which will result in the same 1080 resolution. No image quality difference if your watching a true 1080HD film or programme.

The only difference is when you watch your standard definition programming or dvd's on a 1080i display. Progressive scan sets will display standard definition far better than interlaced display technology.

You don't really want to be playing standard definition through 1080i anyway. 720p is about as high as you can go without noticing any substantial image quality loss from standard definition.

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King James
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:45:27 AM

Allow KJ to add his 2 pennies:

1080p pwns 1080i!

It takes a good TV to prove it though. That's why XBoxHeads generally don't respect it though. Most of them got TVs that only do 720p.

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daggre
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 11:24:22 PM
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I don't know about this - I own both systems and while there are some great looking PS3 games I haven't seen anything that compares with Gears 2 (and before you flame me, I own Resistance FoM 2 and played - and loved - Uncharted so I'm considering those as well). Resistance2 is the best I've seen so far on the PS3, but the textures and environments all feel distinctly angular compared to what you see with Gears2. From what I've seen of K2 it looks very good, especially the particle effects of the smoke and fire, but again, they are also VERY good in Gears2. I think Sony chose a relatively weak GPU compared to the 360, even though I prefer nVidia to ATI for PC cards (because of the drivers) it just seems underpowered especially in terms of frame rate and anti-aliasing.

Now where I think we WILL see a gap widen is in AI and physics, since the CPU-lets on the cell can do those calculations without relying on the underpowered GPU, but I don't think we'll see huge differences in still shots going forward, just in the realistic AI and environmental deformation, etc. I could be wrong, we'll see...

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ps92117
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 11:35:27 PM

I here this all the time but when I look it up, it says ps3 is twice as powerful, wher does it say otherwise.ps3gpu=1.8tflop 360gpu=0.9tflop, even teamxbox says so. so where do people comeup with this?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 11:55:46 PM

If you're not considering MGS4, you need to play it before forming that opinion fully.

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wasim
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:06:04 AM

Uncharted looks way better than anything on X360

most x360 games are clearly outdated

Ofcourse KZ2 looks 50x better than all x360 games

Sadly, x360 cant even run games at 1080p

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Zeppo
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:15:36 AM

Back in 2005 or something, some "theoretical" specs started to get spread around. "Theoretical" in this case meaning some fanboy spinning a wheel of numbers and just assigning the lowest ones to the ps3. then sites like this one http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=19237 posted stats a full five months before the ps3 was even released, showing that even when your 360 goes RRoD, it is still going to run laps around the ps3. That site is still the first google result nearly 3 years later by the way, so I would assume that is where this crap comes from.

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aaronisbla
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:36:22 AM

i love R2 as much as the next person, but im just wondering why you compared it to Gears 2, when you got MGS4 out and about, looking much better than resistance 2, and in my opinion, slightly better than gears

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ec0li
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:59:59 AM

He's comparing the games he has/played and not the games he does not have/played.

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Aftab
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:16:48 AM

MGS4 is in a completely higher level in graphics...in animation, color, detail, art-style, and video quality. I understand diplomacy, but, for example, one need not opine the color of the sky. I can only guess that you are using an older-tech TV, where you are not getting the full quality of hd-graphics, but I saw the difference even on my 22" lcd monitior. My 40" one just made the difference more obvious.

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www
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:44:09 AM

MGS IV has the best graphics this gen THUS FAR!!!!

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Akuma07
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:35:41 AM

the cell barely even needs a GPU =D


CELL FTW!!!!

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Orvisman
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:24:17 AM

@daggre,

I have all three systems... and you're wrong about the games you mention. And you need to include MGS4 as well.

@Wasim

But all 360 game boxes list a resolution of 1080p! ;)

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King James
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:50:17 AM

@daggre

Sorry, I had to stop reading your post b/c u said that u didn't have Uncharted and you didn't mention MGS4. R2 is has very good graphics but it's no where close to best the PS3 currently offers graphically. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Get ur PS3 library up b4 u start forming opinions.

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Arkhon
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:55:31 PM

Yeah, the water in the part with the giant fish is freaking amazing. About the only way they could increase the realism there is by making the boat stay wet after it is covered in water.

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isaya85
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 11:24:46 PM
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Its interesting cuz M$ claim they are going to stick it out with Sony but they keep cutting the price on the xbox just to stay competitive and its like how low is it going to go until they price themselves out of the console war its already rumor of another price cut, people that want one already have one so whats left to buy, PS3 and this will be the year to invest in the PS3 it has the best line up and the games will certainly separate PS3 from the competition


PSN ID Biggest_GMoney

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:43:49 AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I will get a 360 when it's free with a pack of smokes :)

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:50:20 AM

^^^congratulations.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:07:02 AM

If it was free I would use it immediately as a second door stop. The first one is the Wii!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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SmileyGrenades
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 11:36:20 PM
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I find it interesting how MS likes to release consoles that have all of the access to its power available right out of the gate, much like a pc. Actually, if you want to think of it that way, that's basically what they're doing with each system so far. Releasing a cheaper, never-changing pc that plays games--how can the results be any better years down the road, after 80% of its power has been tapped since year 2? Surely, that will affect the system's longevity. I think the fact that the cell is proving to be more of a "tough nut to crack", it'll almost guarantee the ps3's lifespan 5+ years. The world is obsessed with maxing out the next-best thing, and if it takes time to max out the PS3's guts, all the better.

Seeing that the 360's install base is bigger, the 3rd party games will look to make the ps3 downplay itself more often than not since the games will be catering to the 360's hardware first (we can all attest to seeing that).

But-

Aside from the 3rd party problem, I wonder.. As the graphical bar rises, will we see more companies going PS-exclusive because of developers wanting to make the most out of their games, and discarding the idea downgraded ports? I mean, the wider the gap the harder it is to jump it right?

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Banky A
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:25:29 AM

Good points and questions.
Only time will tell..

In the mean time. Why don't you STOP 'time' with this new Persian Sand Dagger for only 1 easy payment of $Infinite Girlfriends!

That is all.

>=]

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Jed
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:34:08 PM

I have had the same concern for a long time. Third party devs want their games to look identical on both systems.

In the past, when devs were porting 360 games to ps3, they could not make them look as good on the ps3, but they didnt care because there were so many more 360 owners than ps3 owners.

Now that they want the games to look identical, I wonder if the 360 will hold the Ps3 back. While the ps3 is selling better and better, there are still more 360s out there. Would they risk alienating all the 360 owners by making their games look better on the Ps3?

Hopefully not, but it does have me a little worried.

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ps92117
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 11:40:22 PM
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I like better graphics and all but sometimes feels like its too much of priority, it should not be about graphics alone. Hopefully team ICO doesn't focus on graphics much, I think they will announce there new game on e3, wonder what surprises sony has for e3.

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chilker
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 11:48:24 PM

Oh man, I'm SO excited about Team ICO's next project. I just played through Shadow of the Colossus again. Still brilliant.

Oh, and recently people went on discussing wondering why others still want PS2 compatibility on the PS3. I love it because I can go back and play through such brilliant gems as SotC, and also go pick up a few cheap PS2 games while I wait for the most exciting PS3 games to come out (though recently, there hasn't been much waiting time!)

SotC looks fantastic upscaled.

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chicko1983
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:16:48 AM

There will be new Team Ico information next month.

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chilker
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:58:41 AM

Awesome! I hope you're right, Chicko!

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Kangasfwa
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 @ 11:49:46 PM
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Evan Wells, Naughty Dog co-president, claims that Uncharted 2 could potentially be the first game that pushes the Cell to its limits. (Game Informer 189, pg 32)

Uncharted 1 used about 30% of the SPU's power, by the way. Killzone 2 uses about 60% of the SPU's power (someone confirm/correct for me?).

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Deathstriker
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:05:34 AM

Yea 60% I'm with you on that...I believe he said that too and yall certainly can't see that the ps3 has a hexicore (8) in it so I do believe we can have better looking game's An I do mean hella

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somethingrandom
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:48:25 AM

Hexa (or as you said it: Hexi) means six. Octo is what you were looking for. but the cell in the PS3 has one locked out core, so there's only 7.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:04:33 AM

To be accurate... only 6 SPU's are usable. 1 locked, 1 is damaged due to a design fault if I recall... they basically fabricate the Cell with 1 SPU "switched off".

Q!

"i aM hOme"

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Akuma07
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:39:08 AM

wtf...

my ps3 is broken from out the box?
hahahahahaha

i dont know about that.
its always been 7 cores, even since the specs were 1st released.

if the thing about the 8th core was true, the 360 fanboys would have made a HUGE deal out of it.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:09:49 AM

Most 360 owners don't know about that technicality... I will do some research and confirm it... but if my memory recalls... there are only 6 usable spu's, 1 is disabled and 1 is used for the Hypervisor...

I am JoshuaAdam360 will go into fanboy mode now and do the research for us and confirm it in his usual stylistic way...

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Qubex
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:14:06 AM

...also, if KZ2 is only using 60% if the Cell (however they measure it), it is quite possible not all SPU's were used fully... quite possibly only 4 were used... making the 60% ration probably. If 40% is left... therefore 2 SPU's out of the 8 are still available; or are not loaded sufficiently to make much difference to the overall speed of the game engine and associated post processing and/or physics calculations as they are currently!

Q!

"i aM hOMe

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:28:20 AM

Naw I dont have to look into it. I will just use Kojimas words of "disappointment". As they must of believed the hype as well before reality.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:59:32 AM

Figures you'd jump on Kojima's words josh. But you forgot to take into account that MGS4 is already inferior in terms of graphics to KZ2. What Kojima should be dissappointed in is his own developers.

If another studio was able to produce better graphics, then who cares if he was let down! All that means is that he didn't have enough know-how to make things look better.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:29:02 AM

So quick to dismiss a developing legend in Japan.

I sure hope KZ will look better. But we will see how that translates to the public.

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King James
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:04:55 AM

@Josh

The K2's beta test looks the same if not better than MGS4. So K2 does look better than anything you've played. Trust this beta testers words. And trust every hands-on preview you've seen.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:05:20 AM

The public has already played it...its called the KZ2 "beta". And I don't care if I dismissed him, you act as if he's god. Hes a great producer/director/writer, but His studio could barely pull of the best graphics up until now, when KZ2 is released.

Now if KZ2 wasn't as pretty as MGS4, then I would take what Kojima said to heart. But who cares if his best was bested? He just hit his limit is all, and someone was able to do it better.

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aaronisbla
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:38:41 PM

Josh i think you are taking what kojima said too literal. He actually caught some flak from saying that and he clarified what he meant, its in one of Bens posts before the game hit, something along the lines of "its certainly a lot of power and we could fly with it, but we couldn't reach outer space with it"

Believe it or not, he said something like that, you can't make that up. So its not that he didn't like the ps3's power, the man's visions is just a lot grander than what consoles can handle at the moment, at least for him. he is a perfectionist

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somethingrandom
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:57:33 PM

@Qubex
The reason only six are available is cuz one is reserved for the Operating System :)

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Advent Child
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:00:36 AM
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I am not sure I quite agree with this. Because yes the PS3 will push more and more, but Microsoft knows they are sinking ship. It is inevitable that a new Microsoft console will launch well ahead of PS3's time of superiority. Once we can really see a difference the 360 will have already been phased out.

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www
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:45:03 AM

yea,that's just my worry.

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rell
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:43:59 AM

advent child thats where M$ will shoot themselves in the foot by putting more features and power in there next console which can be overly pricey, if they lower there future console alot of money will be lose.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:11:59 AM

Nope, the difference will be immediate with the release of Killzone 2!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Orvisman
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:19:11 AM

Yeah, but when M$ft launches the 720 the PS3 will have the price advantage.

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Deathstriker
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:07:08 AM
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Advent...microsoft WILL NOT spent more then they make. They need a better system...and I don't see any intel i7's running at less then $300 bux

Sony is a company that has consumer's and user friendly as for microCOCK is money men...

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wasim
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:08:18 AM

very true

but this is what happens to money hungry corporation

come 27th X360 will be laid to rest

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Banky A
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:26:49 AM

Wasim, you really dig the 27th. Hah.

:P

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somethingrandom
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:50:30 AM

Actually, the cheapest Core i7 can be purchased for about $280.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:01:24 AM

Who the hell is the moron who keeps giving wasim thumbs ups?

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:22:46 AM

I bet its him haha.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:07:04 AM

yeah but the thing is he has 2+ in each post.

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Jizmack
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:13:42 AM
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wasim is right x box cannot even run games at 1080p, lol microsoft lied about that on day 1 and still swear that it can, but from what all my tech friends say 1080i on halo 3 is the best they have.

CANT EVEN TOUCH 1080p

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Aftab
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:00:47 AM

When I got my 1080p lcdtv this, weekend, i noticed a huge difference in all my ps3 games, even the 720p ones, being upscaled, but especially WipeoutHD (1080p and 60fps). When I tested out Gears2, even though it's stated on the box it supports 1080p, I could see clearly see that wasn't the case at all. In fact, the image looked worse over the larger screen, looking more grainy and cruddy, with washed out colors. I especially saw this with the cut-scenes and accredited that to limitation of dvd-9 (low-res video to save space). The animations were noticably choppy, perhaps purposely to ease consistency with online play. The textures were detailed, and at times you could get a large number of "toy-soldiers" on screen, which were really just background assets. But I didn't get the wow-factor I was looking for. And as for the majority of 360 owners, they still prefer COD4 and Halo.

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Aftab
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:05:46 AM

I also for the first time experienced the true quality of bluray vs DVD. Night and day difference, and even crappy movies were a joy to watch!

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ec0li
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:25:27 AM

With competitive multiplayer, definitely CoD4 and Halo gets the nod. With single player, hands down Gears2 blow the other 2 out of the water. Co-op multiplayer is a tossup between Halo and Gears2 because horde mode plainly just kicks ass and you can play the Halo3 campaign with 4 players online.

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www
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:46:10 AM

Aftab i can see ya really enjoying ya HD tv.

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Aftab
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:57:10 AM

lol, You are right. That and WipeoutHD is all I seem to talk about. I can't emphasize enough what a big difference the proper TV makes this generation, so I'm a total hdtv advocate.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:11:59 AM

I hear ya, dude. When I finally got my hdtv and actually saw the difference, I nearly pissed myself.

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Jed
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:43:05 PM

My reaction was about the same as troy's

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Orvisman
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:25:40 AM

Welcome to the fold Aftab. What type of LCD did you get?

As for M$ft, they put "1080p" on the back of all their boxes, even on the multiplats that have "720p" on the back of the PS3 box.

Could they be doing this to deceive the consumer into thinking the 360 is more powerful than the PS3?

If so, wouldn't that be grounds for a lawsuit based on misadvertising, especially if the games they claim run in "1080p" only run in "720p"?

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Itdoesntmatter
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:27:10 AM
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I've been saying this since mid 2007...the Dreamcast fanboys did the exact same thing, "claimed all day long it had better online, better games, better graphics, better controller"....same crap we hear from xbots today....people who judged the PS3 in its first year (completely disregarding that first years of any system are usually a joke)

....history is repeating itself again......

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:50:03 AM

Well I never thought my Dreamcast was better but it did run certain things smoother, does that sound familiar? It's because DC ran Microsoft's Windows CE and was accessible as hell, so much so it's a fantastic emulator and great for pirates, oh yeah so is the xbox1 and 360 is headed that way.

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Orvisman
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:27:17 AM

I still say all those former Segaholics are now Xbots!

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ps92117
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:46:20 AM
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I don't think 360 will die at least not in NA & PAL though it is already dead in japan(almost all rpg are on 360 it is half price yet sony has sold more consel), come ff13, versus, gt5, & ICO, and of course price drop, it would be good idea to give up on jp for microsoft. But as for NA sony has some work to do, and PAL sony probably will over turn this year but not enough to kill 360.

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JackieBoy
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:20:59 AM
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I can believe, just about 3-4 months ago I was about to sell my ps3 for 360. I knew that Assasins Creed and Far Cry 2 had sharper textures and was more fluent (fps) when there was action on screen. But the thinking of exclusives like GoW 3 and other changed my mind. Thank God for that:)

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Banky A
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:31:26 AM

Mmm mmm, God of War III, Gran Turismo 5, Killzone 2, and the next Ratchet & Clank will be in the top class of their genres.
I believe..

>=]

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daizycutter
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:44:07 AM
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i just bought god of war 2 for my ps3 ..because my ps3 has backwards compatibility the game looks great with ps3 smoothing switched on ..dare i say it it looks like a low quality ps3 title!!

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:04:35 AM

I wouldn't say that much...I play my GoW2 on my 60 gig ps3 to, and it looks good! Just not THAT good.

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King James
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:56:46 AM

That progressive scan in GoW2's options menu must be fooling u.

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LCF
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 3:37:29 AM
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Ah Ben, have I not been preaching this? Cell+RSX. The beauty of the Cell is that we can see games run @ 120 fps.Once you see 120Hz HDTV become more available,who knows you just might see it near the end of the PS3's life cycle. However...well Im not going to go that far into the future. Just know this,that there is still alot of untapped power in the Cell,even with how Killzone 2 looks and feels.
For those of you, Killzone runs 2 of the 6 SPEs up to all 6 with a maxium of 60% with all SPEs running. Remember,this is Guerrilla's 1st gen game.

With the Cell. It's 2 things,Speed and calculations. This is one of many reasons why to own a PS3. Sony was always there to push the industry forward. Invested heavily for us gamers.

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BigZombieMonkey
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 4:30:33 AM
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@ docpain

The funny thing I found about your comment is that you refer to xbox fanboys as "xbots" yet insulting someone because they prefer a different console to yourself isis fanboyism in the biggest degree. For this reason I'd like to point a few things out:

First of all I have a PS3 and an Xbox 360 as I'm a big gamer and have been playing video games for over 20 years now and I like to be able to play all of the games that come out.

Now what you said about "....history is repeating itself again......" actually made me physically laugh... not "lol".

You see History of video gaming generally shows two consoles battling for their share of
market and there are always fan boys on both sides. However this wasn't what made me laugh so much but more of the fact you said

"I've been saying this since mid 2007...the Dreamcast fanboys did the exact same thing, "claimed all day long it had better online, better games, better graphics, better controller"

See what I find so amusing about this is that people are comparing the dreamcast to the ps2 battle using the online gaming failure as a comparison to the xbox live feature on the xbox.

Well what is so funny about that is the dreamcast was too far ahead of it's time. Online gaming was something that the average joe video gamer wasn't interested in at that time. The dreamcasts biggest failirue was that Sega had lost alot of faith from the video gaming world after releasing the sega saturn and never really got to go one on one with the PS2 so is a terrible comparrison.

To take a comparative look back you should look at the PS2 vs the xbox.

PS2 = came out first
xbox = came out when the ps2 had a big catolog of games already
PS2 = a less powerful machine but gave the fans a big enough step up from the playstation 1
xbox = a more powerful machine with alot more potential than the PS2 (unfortuently released too late to use that potential as the next gen of consoles were not far off).
PS2 = got cheaper very quickly and made sony a profit still
Xbox = was seen as "too expensive" without enough titles

now by now you should be catching onto something....

the PS3 is the new xbox and the xbox 360 is the new PS2. Microsoft saw what went wrong last time around and built on the online gaming market that they drew in using the xbox.


xbox 360 = came out first
PS3 = came out when the xbox 360 had a big catolog of games already
xbox 360 = a less powerful machine but gave the fans a big enough step up from the xbox
PS3 = a more powerful machine with alot more potential than the xbox 360
xbox 360 = got cheaper very quickly and is making Microsoft a profit still
PS3 = was/ still is seen as "too expensive" without enough titles (although it is starting to expand now it's had some time)

Add to the mixture that Microsoft realised the potential in selling machines by getting people into online gaming and you'll see Sony have been off the pulse for a long time now.

I personally hope that Killzone 2 will be a huge revolutionary game but in all honesty I can't see it happening. Titles that are bigged up as being the next best game ever etc generally are not as good as they are hyped up to be.... take gears of war 2 and little big planet as examples. Little Big Planet and Gears of War 2 are both amazing games but they were both hyped up so much that when they came after the initial wow factor people were slightly disapointed that they were'nt as big of a deal as they were made out to be.

Killzone was hyped as a "Halo killer" and it was terrible!! It was another very unoriginal FPS whereas Halo 1 was a breath of fresh air for the FPS genre as it had such a great engine. Killzone 2 is being hyped as a Halo 3/ Gears of War beater and although I have every confidence in Sonys ability to make it look stunning I dont see the gameplay being as amazing as it is being hped up to be. It will be another great game that I'll add to my collection but would have enjoyed alot more if Sony hadnt overhyped it (just like gears of War 2).

Now one other thing I want to point out is that people have this idea that the PS3 is going to come out with these mind blowingly better looking games than the 360 and I hate to burst a bubble but this isn't going to be as big of a deal as it's made out to be.

The only games that will have a huge significant difference will be made by Sony themselves as developers prefer using the xbox 360. Now this could potentially change as this article suggests but what you are forgetting is the developers are not going to pick a side and therefore even if they can make a game for the PS3 better they will not do so at the cost of the xbox 360 because if the game comes out on both consoles they look to make alot more money which is what they are aiming for.

The bottom line is the PS3 has alot more potential what with the storage space of blu ray, the actual design of the console and the fact it is so much more versatile but so long as developers like the 360 you won't see graphical differences between the two so big that the PS3 will change the market because developers want to make profit and both consoles selling a title = more profit. Just take fifa 09 for example.... despite looking great and having alot more depth to it and so on it was released on the PS2 also meaning it had to be dumbed down a little (as ea themselves said).

I agree with some points this article made and I am more than happy with my PS3 and the direction it is going in, it is just a shame that fanboyism is never going to go away since both consoles will continue to do well.

Also I'll say that atleast Microsoft know what makes a good online gaming experience and Sony know how to make a media machine more interesting. Since having my Sony Bravia 2 engine tv I'm loving blu-ray :)

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 5:37:54 AM

Exactly. Now its my turn.

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LCF
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 5:53:44 AM

Wow this must of took hours and hours. Props to you making a wall bigger than mine haha.

1st off I've been gaming for well over a score. The Dreamcast (IMO) was the 1st to start with this "Next Gen" Era. High rez textures were unheard of during that era (The Expansion pak for the N64 tried but failed). The ONLY reason the Dreamcast failed so fast was because EA stated publicly that they will not support the system. During that time EA owned a huge part of the market.

Now about the graphics. The EE (Emotion Engine) was very difficult to code for because of it's heavy use of vector coding.

The xbox was basically a custom P4 chip which was new at the time. I'm not going into detail with tech, but the xbox and the dreamcast had build in anti-aliasing. where the PS2 did not. However coding "tricks" helped minimize the aliasing effect. This IMO was the only true down fall of the EE. other than that is was a powerful chipset. Why the life of me did microsoft made their own GPU is beyond me. You get so many RROD because of it on the X360.

Online gaming:
Sega was the 1st to bring in a unified online system to every Dreamcast console. People seem to forget that with all the xboxlive hoopla and it was free.Sega offered Seganet. Which was a paid service to reduce ping from the dedicated servers. So basically microsoft took the design of the Dreamcast controller (triggers anyone?) Took Sega's online gaming model and charge the hell out of ya. Though most of the refinement you see in xboxlive is because of Bungie. Why Bungie left microsoft has never been answered.

Ah history, It's there to learn and grow from it. It seems to me that Sony has learned and advanced, microsoft buys people off and take other companies ideas and run away with them (argue all you want but PSN is FREE!) and Nintendo? Well Hell Nintendo seems to be going backwards.Instead of pushing buttons your swinging sticks, so easy a caveman can do it!

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:47:06 AM

Okay, let me point out a few flaws in your reasoning.

You did very well pointing out the role reversals of Sony and MS this generation. But, you missed one crucial difference. You noted that when the original Xbox came out it was the more powerful system, but "unfortuently released too late to use that potential as the next gen of consoles were not far off." Sony didn't make this mistake. They only released a year later. The next generation of consoles is still quite a ways off (unless MS truly does admit that they'll need to release a new console to keep up). With titles like Killzone 2, the difference in the consoles is going to be apparent, and it's going to be bad news for MS.

I won't go on further with the whole Killzone 2 thing. The proof is in the pudding. And the pudding drops in less than a month. I will point out that it isn't Sony that is "over-hyping" this game. It's reviewers and beta testers...the regular people who have actually played it and have nothing to gain from singing it's praises.

"Now one other thing I want to point out is that people have this idea that the PS3 is going to come out with these mind blowingly better looking games than the 360 and I hate to burst a bubble but this isn't going to be as big of a deal as it's made out to be."

Again, I'm gonna leave that argument for February 27.

"The only games that will have a huge significant difference will be made by Sony themselves as developers prefer using the xbox 360."

Correction, developers USED TO prefer the 360. But, as they reach the 360's limits, they want more. And, it's okay for now if the only games that show a huge difference are made by Sony. Sony has stellar developers. Third party devs aren't going to sit around for long and just let Sony widen the gap. That would be bad for business. They're going to want to keep up. That's either going to mean A)bad 360 ports of games developed with the PS3 in mind, B) a resurgance of 3rd party exclusives for the PS3, or C) a new Microsoft console.

The bottom line is this: Something has to give. Starting next month, people's eyes are going to be openned. With a better machine, and great 1st party developers, Sony has the potential to run away with this game. Developers see that. Microsoft sees that. Nobody is about to let this money pass them by and let it all go to Sony.

Look, I'm not a fanboy. But, I AM a fan of business. And I've enjoyed the way this console war has been playing out from a business standpoint. I LOVED the fact that Sony decided to put themselves at a disadvantage (with the higher price tag and blu-ray) just for the gambit. I thought that was genius. It was a good tactic then. It's a great tactic now.

This is classic tortoise and the hare stuff. Sony is playing chess. MS is playing checkers. BUT, I think Sony underestimated how simple the average consumer is. In a case like that, checkers could pay off (look at the Wii). And, if this race were to be over in 2010, I think MS could probably pull off the win. But there is just way too much time, and way too little for the 360 to offer the consumer. They're simply out of gas. They're running on momentum alone.

Momentum runs out.

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KevinCairo
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:30:21 PM

Saying LBP didn't live up to the hype is bull. Not to start a huge argument, but it seems to me that you are biased against hype, which is okay, but not when it comes to trying to make a point. KZ2 will not suffer from hype, not to the mature at least. (Not trying to be hostile, just a little defensive of hating on my sackboy! >:O)

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Itdoesntmatter
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:03:54 PM

The longest post in the history of PSXextreme lol...I am not going to read all that, that's way too serious....but here it is.......

The PS2 had competitors release BEFORE AND AFTER.....unlike in this gen, there is only one that released before.....

The concept behind the PS2 is clearly the same as the PS3 today. A powerful system built on longevity. The more time passed, the more it was clear the system was superior. See the trend in today's world?

D-cast and xbot systems were all built with the power accessible from day 1. There is no real improvement as time passed. This made the user base with nothing to play after 3 or 4 years (D-cast abandoned, xbox1 abandoned). A new system would have to be released for them to repeat the cycle of building another user base by selling a new hardware. Meanwhile the Sony product maintains its user base growing and growing while the software got better and better. THATS how you sell 150 Million units, my friend. Microsoft has it all wrong.

Keep judging a Sony system in year 1-2 and continue to surprise yourself. You can even see this trend back in the N64, PS1 days.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 5:43:46 AM
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Dude just take a look at Yakuza 3 and tell me what 360 game looks better than that. Hell just look at Heavy Rain.

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King James
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:11:32 PM

They don't wanna look.

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King James
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:11:32 PM

They don't wanna look.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:00:55 AM
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Here it goes.

This all looks very familiar. As the owner of a PS2 (got it as a kid back when I was with Sony..) and recently a original Xbox I will tell you that their is no PS2 title that looks close to a Xbox Exclusive. Its not fanboyism its fact. The hardware was 2 worlds apart. Nothing released for the PS2 exclusively would look better it if also launched on the Xbox. See the big difference last gen is that people could see the difference without side by side play. When I play Halo 2 I see the difference, when I put in Forza I see the difference, when I put in Ninja Gaiden Black I see the difference, When I put in any GTA I see the difference. The difference is in the hardware(is that an echo?).

Now lets also take into affect the launch dates? The 360 had a year headstart (not a 2 year like the PS2) and had the larger library when the PS3 launched(where have I seen this b4?). Most people back then already had a PS1 so when the 2 came out they just got that. The Xbox dident have that advantage(hmm). Most people had the 360 already when the PS3 launched (sound familiar?). So because of this the PS2 had a headstart even tho it had some issues their where still more of them(say what!?). The difference is the Xbox versions looked instantly better then the PS2 titles, the PS3 versions looked worse.

But of course that dident matter in the end. Not enough people cared that the Xbox had better hardware because to them it was all about the games(WOW). And because of that the PS2 held the lead and was ahead of the Xbox(again?)..But in the end noone cared and now we have a whole new generation with all fresh starts(what will happen).

I guess they named it 360 for a reason huh? Because more or less they have switched. But the thing is me like all them PS2 heads dont really care if a game looks a lil better on the PS3. Hell after what you guys paid and the year after launch I would be PISSED that EVERY title doesn't blow the Xbox version out the water. But oh well you guys have at it, im gunna go now and turn on Halo 3 or Gears 2.

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LCF
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:07:34 AM

Huh?

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:14:02 AM

What? To young to remember? Or just to biased to see it?

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Alienange
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:37:38 AM

Josh, what did you pay for your 360? At least 300 right (your avatar would suggest 400)? Especially if you bought it in the year before PS3. There isn't that big of a gap between what you paid and what I paid.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 7:33:12 AM

Why does it matter what I paid? The things that matter to me are the games and online service. I wanted the best so I paid it. Being a Halo, Call of Duty, and Gears fan I really had no other place to go. Im not missing out on the 2 GTA episodes either.

Now some people can go out and buy a Arcade and HD bundle for 200 and be set. Whats to hate about that?

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aaronisbla
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:19:38 AM

Josh, with you being a supporter of the 360, why the hell would you suggest someone get an arcade unit? thats not a good deal no matter the price, they need to phase those things out and stick to the ones with an hdd

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:48:48 AM

Because its something everyone can afford. And at $200 with its library I think its foolish to ignore because of bias.

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rell
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:58:45 AM

later dude

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:00:45 AM

First: They call it the 360 because there are 360 degrees in the red ring of death. :D

Wait...no, no...they call it the 360 because you have to buy 360 of them before you get one that works! :D

Sorry, mate. You set yourself up for that one.

Second: What does it matter what you paid? YOU'RE the one that brought price into the argument. I paid $600 for my launch PS3. Worth every penny. So, what DID you pay for your 360? Let's say $400 at launch? How much have you paid for Xbox live since then? Are we close to $600 yet? How big is your hard drive? How do you like HD movies? Honestly...how long can 360 purists keep saying that they'll wait and just use download services instead of blu-ray? Please, show me a single netflix download that equals a blu-ray from netflix in picture quality, sound quality, or convenience. Dude, this particular argument is too easy.

Third: The main difference in this console war as compared to PS2 vs. Xbox is time. There is far to much time left in this race. As far as graphical capability, and quality of games, PS3 is on the incline. You can't argue with that. The 360 has plateaued. This early in the race, that's just not good enough.

Now, who got the most out of their 600 bucks? How would you feel about buying a new MS console in 2010...or even 2011?

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:15:29 AM

360 is done? Are you kidding recent releases from Sony state sales have dropped 9 percent from last year.

And you can enjoy bluray movies on your PS3. But I bought a game console. I bought it to play games. I like the online service and im fine with 50 bucks a year. I mean honestly you guys are stretching lol. I get a better online service for practically nothing.

Also about the 360 name. Have you heard all the funny nicknames for the PS3 lately? I prefer BS3 the most tho. It sums it up quite nicely.

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Godslim
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:27:06 AM

Josh ive seen your comments on different matters in the last week or so and i have to say u are one mega 360 fan boy!

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:36:23 AM

Read again. Find where I said "360 is done."

I said the 360 has plateued. I stand by that. As far as visual quality, physics, etc., the 360 has plateued. Because developers were able to get everything they could squeeze out of it from day 1. Someone has already stated that there isn't a huge leap from Gears 1 to Gears 2. You won't see any significant changes in quality for the 360 from here on out.

Sales? I could care less. My concern is MY purchase and whether I got the most for my money. I clearly did. Sony's profit margin or whatever has no bearing on how much I enjoy a game. By the way, there's a global recession. Everybody is losing money and cutting jobs. You're bringing up facts that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. Who's stretching.

You bought a gaming console? Cool. So did I. Mine has great games. Great exclusives. Pound for pound, if you stack up the exclusives from last year, PS3 has the better games (okay, arguably). Even if it's close, even if the 360 has better games it's not by far. So, we've BOTH got a gaming console. Oh, but mine plays blu-ray movies as well.

How can you possibly try to use blu-ray or the many multimedia capabilities of the PS3 as a negative? As if they somehow take away from the gaming? That's crazy! If adding in a blu-ray drive or photo gallery somehow diminished my games, or they had to make the games simpler so the PS3 could have all the extra bells and whistles, you would have a case. As it stands, you don't. Try again.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:50:05 AM

Honestly I attack bluray because its all I hear when it comes down to being backed against the wall.

I can do everything I need to gameingwise without it. Many people still buy DVDs to watch on their PS3 just because I think its to expensive. I can get 3 to 4 new titles for one bluray film. Wheres the value in that?

Also sales should matter to you more then you think. The more sales a console has the more support it gets. No smart business is going to work first on a harder to program machine with a smaller install base.

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www
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:53:44 AM

Lol Josh i wanna know the nou names for ps3,actually i sometimes luv those names as i keep callin' ma ps3 gaystation3 n ma 360,xbox 3shitty/sh**box 3shitty,hahahahahahaaa......
really Josh can u list out those nou ps3 names?

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:03:32 AM

Uh-oh, Josh. Like your treasured 360, you're running out of steam.

You attack blu-ray because PS3 owners harp on it? It's a FANTASTIC feature! That's why you hear so much about it. Blu-ray movies too expensive? I just got Enter the Dragon for 15 bucks. Got Casino Royale, A Knights Tale, and Layer Cake from Amazon for $35. Actually, $10 because I had a $25 coupon code. And after watching movies on blu-ray, I'm sure I will never never ever buy another dvd movie. Just like I'm sure I'll never buy another PS2 game. If I can't afford it on blu-ray, I'll wait for the price to come down.

You can do everything I can do gamingwise? Can you play Killzone 2? (Yes, I know, technically I can't either, but that's beside the point.) Can you play MGS4? Can you play anything close either title as far as game quality? Honestly? And it's only January. You've got a long year ahead of you.

Sales should matter? No smart business is going to work first on a harder to program machine with a smaller install base?

Video game developers are artists, my friend. They want to develop the BEST game they can. Sure, they'll put out a few multi-plat games to pay the rent and satisfy the suits. But, when they want to develop that next AMAZING title...where will they go? So, yes, all the money makers will be on BOTH machines. The works of ART...you know where they will be. Evidence: MGS4.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:14:52 AM

Being a fan of Halo I cant play that on the PS3, being a Gears fan I cant play on PS3, being a Forza fan I cant play that on PS3, being more people are on live I enjoy COD better.

Being I love GTA I can enjoy the new DLC episodes coming out this year. I can enjoy the new COD coming. I can enjoy the 2 new Halo titles coming out also. Also Forza 3 may make an appearance.

This years going to kick ass for me.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:36:38 AM

lol...I love how you keep coming even when you know it's over. I admire that.

Halo? Dude, you're really running out of places to go, aren't you?

Gears? Pales in comparison to KZ2.

GTA4 DLC? Just like Microsoft to drag something on and on, when it should have been over long ago. Again, will you have to actually pay for that?

Forza? Didn't that come out in 2007? EARLY 2007?

COD4? Again pales in comparison to KZ2.

COD W@W? Pales in comparison to COD4! :D

2 new Halo titles? You mean one Halo expansion pack, and one RTS BASED on Halo.

Yeah...errr...you keep on enjoying those games, buddy. Give me a call if the 360 actually gets something NEW this year.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:37:18 AM

When BigZombieMonkey argues the 360's case, HE makes sense. Do you Josh? Hell F'in no.

You say PS3 owners always bank on Blu-ray...Well how often do 360 owners fall back on Halo 3 and Gears 2? Graphically, they can't compete with games like MGS4 and Uncharted.

And you still haven't argued the pricing point that Alienange and Troy have brought up. Why not? Maybe subconsciously you know that you probably paid more than the $600 launch price of the PS3, what with all the extra peripherals you had to invest in.

If you are gonna argue, atleast take the time to answer some questions that others present to you.

BTW, IMO, Gears 2 was super fun, just as fun as R2. But it wasn't EPIC (pun intended). I haven't played Halo 3 so I can't judge that one.

What will make the PS3 the victor is its staying power. The 360 was built to last only a few years, and the PS3 should last a almost a decade. When the M$ has to unveil a new console, the state of the economy will hinder its sales.

Whats truly inspiring is that the PS3 is managing to sell just as well as the 360 during the same time period (I know, I know, the 360 has the lead. But ONLY because of its year head start and the arcade sales). And the PS3 did that inspite of the economy, and inspite of the high price, and inspite having less games at launch. Hell, it even endured media bashing!

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King James
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:19:52 PM

@Josh

All I got to say to u, bro, is that u should've paid more attention in Math class, instead of focusing on ur PS2/Xbox.

If the roles got switched and M$ wanted to show this in the name...that would be a 180 degree turn, not a 360. They called it the 360 because they stole the codename for the Wii (the revolution).

Get ur academic bars up, bro.

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LCF
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 3:19:17 PM

@JA360, Microsoft has blinded you, son.

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Itdoesntmatter
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:12:19 PM

@joshuaadam360

Thank you for proving a point I made in another post.....

"That is precisely what makes my blood boil more than anything in gaming. The entire American population has been hypnotized through Microsoft commercials to think that the 360 has sooo many great games. In reality, if you ask a 360 fanboy what games they are refering to, they usually only say "Halo and Gears of War, Gears of War and Halo, Halo and Gears of war...then they sprinkle in a mid-level game or two and go right back to repeating Halo and Gears of War, Gears of War and Halo"

It makes my blood boil even harder when a PS3 owner agrees that the 360 has sooo many crazy good games..."I can't name which ones are good, but I guess they just are""

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Orvisman
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:48:01 AM

BigZombieMonkey has a PS3. You don't!

This is why no one here takes you seriously. You're a nuisance like a mosquito...

Now where is my Off spray!

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Lord carlos
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:11:16 AM
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i have played crysis(what a game)on very high settings(mates pc) & i am certain that killzone2 at the very least equals the visuals i experienced playing crtek's gem(from watching hd gameplay vids of kz2).That said,the facial animations on mgs4 were better than crysis,shit!heavenly sword had better facial animations(not sure if heavenly sword's cut scenes were real time or pre rendered)
Anyway's here's hoping for a ps3 version of crysis,maximum armor!
maximum strength!
PS. any news on Wardevil? i hear that its the first true game in development to use 1080p,GT5 aswell!
PPS.correct me if i am wrong but i think that 720p & 1080i are basically the same,that some countrys ie. mainland europe use 1080i for hd tv,while england uses 720p.
I think its just localisation.

PSN ID: lord_carlos
ADD ME!!!

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LCF
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:55:04 AM

SDTV: 480i NTSC, 720x480.
SDTV: 576i PAL, 720x576.
EDTV: 480p NTSC, 720x480.
HDTV: 720p 1280x720.
HDTV: 1080i 1280x1080, 1440x1080, or 1920x1080 split into two 540 line fields.
HDTV: 1080p 1920x1080 progressive scan.


NTSC standard for North America, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea only. FCC controlled. ATSC was suppose to happen this year but is being delayed.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:12:14 AM

Heavenly Sword cut scenes were real... just look at the "poor" shadow casting effect... still prevalent today!

Q!

"i aM hOme"

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:04:04 AM

I still think Heavenly Sword is one of the best PS3 titles available. Great graphics, great story, and INCREDIBLE acting!

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Qubex
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:23:22 AM

Generally the graphics of Heavenly Sword are very good... how ever the shadow casting distortions plague it... look at the shadows that fall across the faces and clothes... block smudges, sometimes they tear... doesn't look good. Quite a few games this gen suffer from this...

Keep an eye out for blocky shadow casting in KZ2... YES!!! unfortunately it exists there too... as I saw it clearly whilst in the BETA... If your character passes across a Helgast spot light... you see your shadow cast across the wall... and the outline is blocky... unfortunately... limitation of the RSX to some degree... and the immense processing power you would need to create "real-time" shadow casting maps 1x1 pixel in size... just to much overhead for the processor and therefore developers try to take short cuts.

Eventhough MGS4 has the best cut scenes I have ever scene (possibly to be surpassed by Final Fantasy...) the shadow casting problem can be evident in some cases...

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:39:28 AM

Luckily for me, I'm not a graphics houd to that degree.

Hey, I'm a poet and I didn't even know it.

That wouldn't take away from my enjoyment of either game. I never noticed it in Heavenly Sword. Definitely never noticed it in the KZ2 beta (though I did notice blood magically disappearing and reappearing on walls). Quite honestly, I'd be to busy playing the game to see something like that. But, I suppose it would be an issue for some.

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aaronisbla
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:56:36 PM

actually qubex, if i recall correctly, ign did a side by side comparison of killzone 2 preview build and and killzone 2 recent build, and they commented on those shadows and said they have been fixed, to what degree im not sure

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 4:37:57 PM

Heavenly Sword is like playing an awesome old Martial Arts movie. Period.

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Alienange
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:15:18 AM
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If all games were equal then we could argue about who's graphics are best. I want a good gaming experience with some graphical icing on top... Then again, I recently started playing MGS4 (I know I know) and this game has both in spades. I don't know why I thought it was all just hype, this game roxes boxes of soxes.

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www
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:53:35 AM
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ON THE REAL Ben,if consoles are to prove their ultimate full power around the end of it's life cycle,then wat's the point??????
We started seein' jaw-dropping sh** like Resident Evil 4,i mean San Andreas was waaaaaayyy better than GTA III but at that point, ps2 was dyin' out,we were prepared for ps3.

I REALLY wish we could see the full power from the start and play numerous games with that "full power" before the end of a console's life.MS wouldn't be sittin' around they will proly be gearin' up 720.

So really, wat's the POINT in waiting for the full power????????

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Aftab
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 7:16:07 AM

Games like Sony's GOW2, SOTC, DMC3se ofcourse! These games are not just merely examples of the system's power, but are timeless. In the end, that's why I prefer Sony.

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stagga
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 7:43:17 AM
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Wasim wrote:
"A NEW TROLL ACCOUNT

are u mart from Xboxkings??

Gears 2 ?

that doesnt even look like a next gen game"

Now Wasim, Washimul, RajakarNizamiSyedi, etc you're the biggest troll and owner of troll accounts on the internet! In fact judging by the amount of comments on here and youtube I'm doubtful you have anything in your life BUT trolling! It'll be interesting to see where you go after PS3. If they pulled out of the console market I guess you'd have to end it all huh?
Off topic though! Killzone 2 looks great, I hope this is just the start!

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polofish
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 7:52:56 AM
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Ah this is good news for PS3 owners. Developers need to start making multi platform games for the PS3 and fill a blu-ray, downgrade the graphics and put the game on multiple DVD's for the xbox otherwise we will still be getting games that are restricted to the xboxs limitations and if that happens you cant move things forward as MS's system is already out of juice and can give no more. So come on developers make games that are fully realised, fresh, your free! run in the green fields hand in hand with your ideas and put them to work, choose creative freedom, choose the "Playstation 3"......

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:20:26 AM

They choose money. Like every other business.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:10:48 AM

True. So true. Developers choose money.

So, what happens when the MONEY chooses BETTER GAMES?

What happens when money chooses Killzone 2? Think about it. A great game in all aspects. A game that very likely could not be developed for the 360. What happens when games of this quality are STANDARD instead of STAND-OUT for the PS3?

That's where the money goes, right?

So, if you're a developer and you KNOW you could do just as well or better if you developed your next project exclusively for the PS3...when you WANT to step up to the plate...what do you do? Do you continue developing multi-platform games for the total user-base? Do you continue to let that gap widen?

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:18:15 AM

You really think KillZone will outsell Halo 3? Im not trying to be funny im serious. Just wandering.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:29:31 AM

It probably won't... simply because you have 8 million more Xbot replicants out there... worst than in BattleStar Galactica... feel sorry for the universe... what a weight to bare!

Q!

"i aM HoMe"

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:43:32 AM

Josh, I don't think it will happen right away. But, I believe as the gap in game quality widens the money will go to where the best games are. You must admit that. If at the end of 2009, PS3 titles are SIGNIFICANTLY better than 360 titles...if KZ2 is the STANDARD instead of the STAND-OUT, you will buy yourself a PS3, and begin spending your money on the better games. If you say that's not true...if you say that you won't spend your money on a significantly better product, then you're just foolish.

But...then again...you DID buy an Xbox 360.

lol...sorry again, mate. I just couldn't help it. I'm just joshin' ya. ;)

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:01:15 AM

I dont know about that. Halo ODST is coming out later this year and im looking forward to that.

If KillZone becomes the standard ill be shocked to say the least. As I was disappointed by the "Halo killing" the original title did.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:10:20 AM

Dude, ODST is an expansion pack. EXPANSION PACK! Are you serious? Is that not the best evidence that the 360 is at it's peak? The best you can come up with to compete with KZ2 is an EXPANSION PACK?!!?

Stick a fork in him. He's done.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:20:12 AM

I bet it sells more then KillZone. Care to underestimate again?

If at first you fail(KillZone). Fail again.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:39:12 AM

Here we go with sales again.

So, your arguments against KZ2 (despite the overwhelming acclaim) are:

1) It won't sell as many copies as [insert game title here].

2) And Killzone 1 sucks.

Did I sum that up effectively?

You know what? I'll leave that particular argument alone. You have clearly bested me, my friend. :D

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:43:43 AM

Josh...shut up man. I forgot to add this earlier:

Since you paid equal to or more than the $600 PS3, does it hurt to know your investment will be short lived? Now $600 for a 10 year+ console is worth it to me. $600 for a 4-5 year console is terrible. How does it feel to know your system of choice is already looking to be fazed out?

Oh and how much Acclaim did Halo receive? I remember hearing alot of journalist and gamers saying it was fun, but failed to live up to the hype and/or the first 2 were better. How many people do you hear bag on KZ2?


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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:51:01 AM

Every great series has haters. Some people say GT is overrated. Do I think so? No.

Some people may agree that halo 3 is overrated. Do I? No.

And Troy your losing me? Im I disposed to name new games I dont care for now? Because then I would be listing PS exclusives.

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King James
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:27:46 PM

Josh talking crazy again.

"U moving like a RoboCop./Somebody please make it stop!"

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Godslim
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:30:24 PM

oooh good god josh just shut up and go play your 360 if u luv it so much
do i think halo is over rated: HELL YES!

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cazzy07
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 7:58:53 AM
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Edit: This entire post is inflammatory and hostile.

No more of this, cazzy.

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rell
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:24:47 AM
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If u as me Ive got a bad feeling about this, I don't trust M$ I sense another price drop. Sony will win slowly but surely.

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Jordahn
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:45:03 AM
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Late to the party as usual...

Current games like Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, MGS4, and Little Big Planet show graphical capabilities that I have yet to see on any other console. As you can tell, these are 1st/2nd party efforts. Third party developers need to step up to the palte and to make a PS3 game to the best of their abilities and then port to the 360. Maybe this is the case with games such as Valkyrie Chronicles since it's a PS3 exclusive. But someone like EA needs to go further. When the take a well known franchise such as Madden and optimize the game for the PS3 and then port to the 360, I suspect the masses will see a noticable difference. The quality of PS3 development should not be hindered by 360 development. Thankfully, more and more multi-platform titles are grapgically on par. 3rd party developers need to exploit the PS3 more.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:46:20 AM
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For those who diss 360 because of DVD. As far as I can see, you're stating your own opinion about which you think is better and which is worth more. Which is fine, but you shouldn't stomp on everyone else's because you feel that its being attacked. Think about it, you're on Xbox live. With people who pay to play (and others like yourself). Those of us who feel it meets our gaming console criteria, feel more strongly about the console than others. Thats why they make more than just one kind. For competition and to branch out to those who aren't into one kind, they may like the other. I'm not saying that PS3 in inferior. It's just not a gaming console in my opinion. It is made for someone who loves media in general. It touches basis on many things but doesn't pick one area to excel in... unless someone brings up Blu-Ray. Which seems to be everyone's flipping arguement when trying to prove its a better console than any of the others. One can NOT state which is better do to everyone's choice being different. We only have are opinions. Some will agree and others will not but in the end, it only matters what you believe and how you want to spend your money.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:00:38 AM

"its not a gaming console"... that is poor... I would pay money to fly to where ever you are just to see your reaction when you finally make the effort to get a Ps3 controller in hand and play Killzone 2 yourself for the first time... then I will wait for you to make that ridiculous statement again... and then after hearing it, I would say; "you shouldn't have said that" and smacked you on the cheek.. just once to wake your little brain up... it wouldn't be a hard punch... just a tight slap to rattle your face and wake you up!

For such an intelligent young man... sometimes JoshuaAdam360... Really!

It is a games console, and a blu ray player, and my Linux computer, and my photo digital display system, and my music juke box... that is the wonders of the Ps3... it hasn't been fully realised yet... all is coming... even though it will take time... its a great advantage to do all this on one piece of hardware...

BBBUUUTTT, I enjoy it most for the games... and will enjoy it more as the exclusives start to kick butt... remember my earlier post... if you deny what the Ps3 can really do, especially after this year is out... you are simply living a lie... now that is not nice is it!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:08:51 AM

You just proved my point.

You like games along with everything else it offers. Which is fine. Its just thats not the only thing on PS3 owners minds nowadays. Alot of people buy the PS3 as a bluray player first. Because they know they can get that and them or their kids a console as well.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:18:07 AM

I disagree!

Please believe in what ever you feel; I hope you never own a Ps3... you don't deserve one at all!

But when you are infront of the HDTV in shops, looking at KZ2, God Of War III, Unchartered 2, GT5... please please do not buy a Ps3... it just won't be respected and will not be in a nice home...

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:19:52 AM

I might get one. When they offer something thats $400 more then what I get already. Which they haven't yet.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:22:16 AM

It's not a gaming console?

Dude, you're really reaching. I won't even list all the stellar titles PS3 has, because you already know what they are.

It doesn't excel in any one category? You're right. I excels in ALL of them.

I played GTA4 online with a friend of mine last night...

Wait...

Let me start over...

A friend of mine started a video chat with me last night to invite me to a few rounds of GTA4. I told him I missed his earlier invites because my daughter had been watching divx episodes of the Powerpuff Girls on the PS3 (from the terabyte hard drive I have connected to it), but I'd be happy to get a few kills in. After an hour or so of GTA4, I told him I'd catch him tomorrow, chilled out on the couch, and watched Layer Cake on blu-ray (excellent British gangster flick starring Daniel Craig, if you haven't seen it).

No, my PS3 didn't excel in any of those tasks. It excelled in ALL of them.

Yes, I like games with EVERYTHING else the PS3 can do. That's just called being an educated consumer. If I'm going to make a purchase, I'm going to get the most out of every single dollar. As titles for the PS3 get better, and as its capabilities grow, my initial $600 investment gets better and better. I don't think 360 owners can say the same. I really don't.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:26:06 AM

I agree with you there Powers!

Power to the ppl!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:32:38 AM

Really thats cool. Funny tho I to can play GTA4 online. I can video chat, I can also watch movies or order them from netflix.

Now I can also look forward to GTA DLC. I can listen to my own music in the games, and I can get messages while im playing.

So different..yet so the same.;)

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:50:15 AM

So, we've gathered that:

We can both play GTA4 online.
You can have DLC, I can't.
We can both video chat.
We can both watch movies.
Mine are blu-ray, hi-def, dolby x.x sound. Yours are not.
We can both listen to our own music in game.
We can both get messages while playing.
You can stream netflix movies, I cannot.
I can watch netflix blu-rays. You cannot.

So far, the difference are:
You can look forward to even MORE GTA4. You can watch streaming quality movies via netflix streaming service.
I can watch blu-ray quality movies via netflix by mail.

If that is the total of the difference, and you think you got the better deal, then we are both happy campers, my friend.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:05:36 AM

In other words ill enjoy the better exclusive gameplay while you enjoy the better movie visuals that I could get by buying my own standalone player..

Sounds good to me.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:14:42 AM

If exclusive gameplay means an add-on for a game that will soon be a year old, you can have it. FURTHER evidence that the 360 has plataued. "Hey, we can't offer you anything new and revolutionary, but we can take what you've already got and add a few levels and missions to it."

Do you have to pay for that?

I'll take a great new game over more GTA4 any day.

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Qubex
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:17:16 AM

But you will never have Killzone 2, GoWIII, GT5 and the rest!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:17:42 AM

Have you seen the trailers? Its going to be VERY good.

Ill look forward to new games also. Just maybe I like more content on games I already have.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:26:58 AM

What new games are you looking forward to, Josh?

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Godslim
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:28:17 AM

i find that very hard to believe that most ps3 owners buy a ps3 just for the blu ray player when u can get cheaper blu ray players....and as for exlusive 360 content lol i got bored of gta ages ago traded it in....it was never even that good

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:31:48 AM

I answered that in another part of this slugfest.

lol where just going at it huh? But I will get the last laugh as always.;)

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:32:52 AM

Im not bored of GTA slim. So to me that comment is pointless.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:44:23 AM

Actually, you didn't answer my question. I asked what NEW games you're looking forward to. So far, all you've given me is an expansion pack, an RTS based on an old game, and some DLC.

So, my question remains. What NEW games are you looking forward to, Josh.

I mean, even if I give you Halo Wars...it's an RTS. Admit it. You're just looking forward to it because it says Halo on the box. And trust me, that's what MS is banking on. They're going to ride that Halo horse into the ground...and then drag in a few miles.

I've got an idea. Let's go exclusive for exclusive. I name one for my system, then you name a better one for your system, then I name a better one for my system, etc. Let's see who runs out first. I mean, it's all about the games, right? We both bought GAMING systems. Right? But, keep in mind, each game listed has to be BETTER than the game before it.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:48:13 AM

Fable 2.

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King James
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:30:49 PM

"Cause I don't want no RoboCop.
U moving like a RoboCop.
When did you become a RoboCop?
Somebody, please make it stop!"

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coverton341
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:03:38 PM

Fable 2 is not new it is old and already out and has a half-wit tacked on online feature that eats balls.

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The Stig
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 7:32:58 AM

The reason we go on about blu-ray is simple. How much data can a DVD hold, 8.5Gb, hmmm not alot.
Now, how much can a Blu-Ray hold, 50Gb, soon to be a massive 400Gb. I know that most games will never come close to using that amount of space but unless your using multiple DVDs the xbox cannot compete with this. And as games become more and more complicated an 8.Gb DVD is just not gonna cut it.

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Lord carlos
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:22:53 AM
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LCF i assume your last post was in reply to me.(can't find the reply button,i'm new & using my ps3)
so 1080i is better quality than 720p,i been having an argument with a friend about this matter,my tv outputs at 1080i max res and his does 720p.i was taking the piss out of him & he said there the same.i countered by stating why give a tv both 720p & 1080i if its the same,he's in a 3rd year computer programming class and said he knows more about this stuff so i left it at that,well i've got more fuel for the fire NOW!! AHAHAHA cheers :)

QUBEX
Thanks for the info!!! :) knowledge is power.

PS i just noticed that my original post had little to do with the article from the 360 side,i have a modded xbox1 which i'd run into a burning building for but i can't say the same for my 360.
i think theres a little juice left in them yet but i feel mutiplat games are suffering because of the hardware choices MS made.The games themselves are awesome(Dead rising made me a happy camper)
i'd scratch my own eyes out before i'd pay MS EXTRA money to play online games.

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LCF
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 3:14:52 PM

Actually 1080i has greater detail than 720p. However when there is heavy motion in a 1080i that is where you get the interlacing issue. The image has a hard time staying complete. Killzone 2 has native 720p/1080i (for T.Vs that can't scale 720p). You can force the PS3 to only scale the 1080i into 1080p instead of the 720p.

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Godslim
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:30:32 AM
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JoshuaAdam360 you are such a fan boy what are u even doing here if u dont own a ps3! u come on a ps3 site and start saying stuff.....how do u think the ps3 owners here are gonna take it......go to a 360 site if u think its sooo much better

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:34:04 AM

Im just not blinded by bias. Do I need to clarify my past with Sony? Because its a big one.

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www
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:57:21 AM

Josh,n i thought u had a ps3 all along,u should get one really,having the 2 like me helps u judge things better n avoid the bias effect of having one platform,okay?

godslim ya avatar is hella funny,i picture u laughing all the time,readin' ya comments n seein' that avatar at the same time is hilarious.....hahahahaa.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:08:51 AM

I would get one if I dident already have a 360. I just dont see paying another $400 for something that dont yet benefit me.

Different people like different things. I wont hold it against them if they do the same to me.

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Godslim
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:26:02 AM

josh your past with sony dont mean much wow u might have had a ps2 or ps1 so did nearly every gamer even the casual gamer did! and u really are blinded by bias seen as u dont own a ps3 even if u i you'd still be against it just to prove your point

@ www hehe thxs dude

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:27:26 AM
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Josh, just stop. You're getting completely reamed on a subject that isn't even that closely related to the article at hand. I don't even know what half of your rambling is trying to prove.

So as of now, no more posts from you in this topic. You just can't help yourself...I think I'm going to have to limit you to benign topics that don't include anything involving the 360, because you really just can't handle it.

And I'm asking you to change your avatar and name. It's just not going to fly here, and I can't stop a thousand people from making assumptions based on them. Just change them.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:38:33 AM

Everything 360 related is a bashfest for PS3 fanboys.

Why am I the only one to get penalized for comments? Why is it ok for ignorance by others?

Honestly I respect you. But if your going to hold my hand back because of my own opinions then ill leave myself.

I have every single PS their is besides a PS3. I am hardly the most biased around these parts. To say otherwise is hardly close to the reality of it. So I have to change my personal favorite console? But others can have "X360 is for pussies"? Right ben..

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:46:48 AM

YOU know as well as I do that the ONLY reason people are attacking you is because of your avatar and name. Change them, and you won't get such a bad reception all the time. Just do it.

Secondly, I have warned people like wasim many times before. I just edited a particularly hostile post from a member directed towards you. I don't think you see half of what I DO edit. Lastly, and I repeat- you started a console war here without really addressing the article at hand. I don't know why, despite everything you say about no ignorance or bias, I see a LOT of misinformation in your posts that desperately try to support YOUR support of the 360.

That...doesn't...FLY. Here or anywhere. Are you not getting this?

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:50:11 AM

Ohhhh, and the ref stops the fight!

Okay, Ben. Out of respect, I'll leave it be. I think the actual argument was over quite a while ago anyway.

All the same, I don't think making him change his name or avatar is fair. Kinda makes us seem biased and fanboyish. Just my opinion.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:54:38 AM

You really think I hate anyone here? Hell me and troy in person would probably have a couple beers and tear it up online.

My comments are fair to what im replying to. As I never show disrespect to level headed posters.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:58:47 AM

Ben, I hear where you're coming from. I'm sure keeping a thread like this in line is more trouble than it's worth.

Still, I had some fun.

And, for the record, Josh, I wasn't on your ass because you're a 360 guy. I was on your ass 'cuz I love a good debate.

Especially on I know I will win. :D

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:00:29 AM

I like debate to. its nice to hear different viewpoints and give your own.

And no I would of won.=p

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:05:11 AM

For the record, I don't have a problem with debate. I encourage it, as most of you well know. If I had a problem with Josh and Troy's argument, I would've removed/edited the posts and issued warnings. The only reason I singled Josh out is because he didn't seem to address the topic and instantly tried to write something that would defend the 360.

And the reason I'm asking Josh to change the avatar and name is a simple one: it's the environment. From my standpoint, I absolutely cannot handle every last PlayStation fan immediately freaking out because of the avatar. I KNOW it's retarded and I'm sorry for that, but this is a site for PLAYSTATION FANS.

You're not asked to change the avatar and name because of anything besides the fact that it would make my life a whole lot easier. Okay?

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:11:41 AM

Hmmm...I'm really having mixed feelings on this "change your name and avatar" thing. (Not that it matters.)

On one hand, you're punishing Josh because other people want to come and act like asses. You're kinda censoring the wrong guy.

On the other hand, Josh, you can't walk through Harlem dressed like a klansman and be surprised when people want to kick your ass. You are kinda bringing it on yourself.

See, damnit! Now I've got all this pent-up argumentative energy!

I'm gonna go pick a fight with someone. I wonder if I can toss a full-grown man up a tree.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:15:35 AM

Ill change mine if others with ridiculous avatars change theirs.

I honestly love the name and pic I have. The only time I get attacked is for my comments not my name.

Removing that is like removing a bit of my personality.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:16:29 AM

And troy that was rich haha.

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coverton341
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:32:59 PM

Sorry for the off topic but this needs to be said:

MY WEEKEND PLANS FOR HANGING OUT IN HARLEM ARE SCREWED NOW DUE TO NEW INFORMATION.

Thanks Troy for ruining my fun.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:55:05 PM

Wait..so you're saying you're a Klansman Coverton?

Get your pistols cocked Aaron and Troy...we gotta kill us a fool!

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aaronisbla
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 3:15:27 PM

locked and loaded

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coverton341
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 7:37:44 PM

No not a klansman just one for a very off color humor that 9 times out of 10 has wound up putting me in the drunk tank or getting large objects thrown at me from a great number of people.

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somethingrandom
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 7:46:59 PM

Josh, your name and avatar do give people a pre-disposition towards you. When I saw your first post, I thought "Great... another f****** XBOX 360 fanboy." It gives PS fanboys, and any normal people who read one of your biased posts (their not all biased BTW) a reason to attack you. I would not choose a pic of a PS3 to sign up on a 360 site, because that's asking for trouble.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:06:04 PM

I got a good laugh out of it, Cove. And I mean I actually laughed out loud.

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BigZombieMonkey
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:36:50 AM
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In all fairness Josh I do like my xbox a hell of alot and still use it more than my PS3 but seeing fanboyism on such a large scale makes me thankful for the party feature on xbox live so i don't have to listen to people like you when I play.

You may make valid points but trying to play down the PS3 being a more powerful machine with alot more potential won't work.

My only argument with some of the things said in here was the whole history repeating itself and people talking like the difference between a PS3 and an xbox 360 is going to be like comparing commodore 64 to a PS2....

The bottom line is the PS3 is a better machine, it just needs the type of titles that the 360 has. A game like gears of war on the PS3 would be nice and I truely hope Killzone 2 will be as good as people say it will because atm the only game that seems to make my PS3 fun gaming wise is LBP and Drakes Fortune (I'm not a fan of MGS series since MGS1, far too much story drowns out and overplays the gameplay imo). If Killzone 2 is good then I'll probably play that more than Halo 3 in all honesty because Halo 3 got old real fast as it wasn't that much of an improvment as I was hoping it would be.

I don't get why people care so much one way or another, they are both great consoles, I just wish Sony hadn't spent so much time on Home and had spent that time on a decent game since Home is terrible.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:40:29 AM

I have said plenty of times the PS3 has amazing hardware and is working on better software.

Hell I said this within the past week.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:46:14 AM
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Just in.

If I dont share my views and reply to you its not because I dont have something to say it will be because im not not allowed.

So feel free to pat yourselves on the back. I guess another view besides your own is not wanted or needed. To that you get my apology and my pitty.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:55:59 AM

Well, it was fun, buddy.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:59:18 AM

Yeah it was.

Honestly I think I was smiling the whole time. That and the occasional grin.;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:16:21 PM

boo hoo

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polofish
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:46:17 AM
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This current version of the xbox is a joke, the first incarnation was a work of genius when it was released but the 360 is an insult it has a 33% failure rate runs on DVD's for gods sake not even my Nan works on them anymore. It was rushed out of Microsoft towers with all faults known to them but they wanted to grab the market away from Sony so they released it anyway. Microsoft are the biggest richest company in the world and could have created something spectacular instead they took a dump in a paper bag set fire to it placed it on my door step then charged me for the privilege. For those people who cant afford a PS3 ..... SAVE UP FOR ONE!

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Arvis
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:50:34 AM
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Sorry in advance for this Ben...

Josh: You say you're happy with the 360 and would just buy a standalone bluray player to get the hi-def movie playback...
So... to me... it seems like you're admitting that you'd rather pay MORE MONEY for EQUAL FEATURES as long as it meant not buying a PS3.

Unreasonable.

-Arvis

EDIT: Guess I won't be getting a reply...

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:58:18 AM

No I will.

If bluray costs come down and the PS3 delivers some great new titles this year. I WILL most likely get one.

But what the hell right. I might as well say the PS3 is perfect. Because disagreeing isn't acceptable.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:01:51 AM

Good point, Arvis.

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King James
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:39:11 PM

Great point Arvis

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 3:03:38 PM

Its ok to disagree, as long as substantial evidence against your clain is heeded. 95% of the time even if the evidence is stacked up against you, you deny all accountability of the said information.

If you're wrong, you're wrong. There is only so far an opinion can go before the otherside delivers a knockout blow. And most the time, you are the lone fighter against all of PSXEXTREME...there is no way you can win, which brings me to this point:

Why the hell are you here? You often said you like hearing about ALL news, but why do you have to comment on PS3 news? I read about 360 news, but I prefer not to comment because I know many will jump down my throat.

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raztad
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:59:34 AM
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Hi people! Thanks to all for welcome me before.

PS3's principal advantage over x360 is CELL's capability to do fast real time 3D rendering, ray tracing, i.e., to work like a graphic card. So you can use CELL as a parallel processor (which needs in turn a fine parallel coding) to do physics, collision detection , AI, etc and at the same time it can works as an extension of the graphic card. That is amazing.

X360 on the other hand uses a more traditional and accessible (PC-like) arch so it is as powerful as its graphic card is. Probably a better coding on X360 multi threading 3-core cpu can improve AI, collisions and physics to certain extent but, most probably, Gears2 is the pinnacle of MS console graphical power.

In the end, PS3 got a very extensible arch, and coders will always find a new way, to fine tuning, to recode some parts of their engines in order to squeeze more power from it. The whole PS3 arch is a winner.

See you!

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somethingrandom
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:16:48 PM

Ray tracing in real time is currently impossible on all consumer hardware available. It's surely possible on a supercomputer, and it doesn't hurt to dream, but it's a ways off:)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:11:27 AM
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And lastly, Josh, if you could SPECIFICALLY tell everyone who you don't believe the article - why the PS3 won't widen the gap in terms of visuals - that would probably help.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:22:59 AM

Gladly.

Now I believe that it will on its exclusives to a small percentage. the CPU in the 360 is very powerful and is capable of great lighting affects and textures.

Now seeing that the Cell is realized and perfected this COULD change BUT how long is going to matter? Enough to turn the tides we may never know. The thing is that as time goes by better and superior hardware will emerge. Is the cell in the PS3 powerful enough to compete with evergrowing technology? Well I guess we shall see.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:28:37 AM

...yeah, that doesn't really say much of anything. It's just a "wait-and-see" thing, while my article is a good deal more than that.

If this is all you had to say, here's my question and my problem- why, WHY did you go off on a complete 360 defense stance when it was completely unnecessary?

I think your avatar and name gets into your head, and you just think you have to do this all the time, even when it's irrelevant. THAT'S my problem. I'm not saying you're not allowed to talk about the 360; I'm not even saying you're not allowed to support it. I'm saying it's not a good idea to go off on supporting tangents (Blu-Ray, online, wtf does THAT have to do with this article?) just to start arguments. Right?

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:39:07 AM

If you look at the history of my posting you will notice that when things are calm I am to.

I even go out of my way to avoid most of em. But I spent alot of money on my 360. I bought it myself and its my favorite console to date. I dont hate the PS3 as many of you know. I just point out the pros and cons of both and why I prefer Microsoft when asked.

Plus I really do like my picture. You cant say its not a sexy machine.;)

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Godslim
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:49:25 AM

lol a sexy machine its soooo ugly....ps3 looks so much better with it sleek shiny look

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:05:52 PM

You must be blind the 360 looks sleek, curvy, and stylish. The PS3 looks good to. But has harder edges and is overall bigger.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 3:10:09 PM

You are on this site what seems like 24/7 Josh. Are you even a part of a 360 fansite? And you comment on EVERY single article on here.

Grow up and admit it. You are only here to cause trouble. I can see if you owned both systems, but you don't. And please, no more "I use to own a PS2" shit. You are 100% pro xbox, which is fine, just take your love for your machine where others feel the same way.

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Itdoesntmatter
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:25:14 PM

360 looks like a toy, the disc tray looks crappy, the the memory unit slots are pathetic, pop-up hard drive is kiddie....I had a 360 and after my 3rd RROD, I became SO anti-Microsoft.....call me a Sony fanboy if you wish

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Robochic
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:29:20 AM
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Man this is a very heated topic page (not surprised) Josh you have to understand lots of people enjoy their consoles they may have a 360 as well but they may have had the unfortante issue with defective parts and hard earned money being wasted by a company that only cares about themselves and not the people who purchase their products. Also lots of people enjoy their PS3 and you need to respect that i've read u're posts and i don't see respect you alway attack someone who isnt' even talking to you just making a comment. I also understand why Ben wants u to change u're avatar it's disrespectful on this website you wouldn't see me put a PS3 pic on a 360 website i wouldnt' be respecting the people who adore and love their 360. Just my opinion.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:42:17 AM

Its not ment to piss off anyone thats the thing. I see where your coming from but I have always had a 360 on my pic. Honestly idk what else I would put.

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King James
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:46:00 PM

Put something turning 360 degrees, bro. Anything will work.

U're so creative in ur 360 rants and now u can't find a pic that u and Ben can compromise on???

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Lord carlos
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:29:35 AM
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everybody here probably knows this already & has not got anything to do with the article but what the hell.
xbox 360 launched nov 05
as of jan 4th 2009 has sold 28 million units
MS states 360 has a 10 million unit lead nov 06
ps3 launched nov 06
as of jan 28 2008 has sold 21.3 million units
sony states a 9% drop in sales jan 08
Which one is selling more units over the same period both consoles are on the market?

ps.i cant reply directly to people for some reason HAHA :)

PSN ID: lord_carlos
ADD ME!!!!

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Arvis
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:33:43 AM
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Josh: "I might as well say the PS3 is perfect. Because disagreeing isn't acceptable."

NOW YOU'RE GETTING IT!!

Seriously, though, you're like one of the most fun commenters on this site, even if you're really annoying half the time. ;)
I think if you were SLIGHTLY more open to the PS3's qualities, you wouldn't catch so much flak. No doubt the PS3 fanboys that pop up here are way WAY worse than you, but the thing is: We Ignore Them.

We talk to you because we like you. At least, most of us do. Not everyone. You just irritate people with your defensiveness. Relax, and it won't be a big deal.

-Arvis

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:45:51 AM

I like my outlandish and to the point comments.

When you guys see a blog stating something against the 360 I KNOW someone has to be thinking "man Josh is gunna flip haha".

I look forward to your guys point of view that way to. I also look forward to how you respond to my views.

To water me down would be just that. Less.

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Godslim
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:51:25 AM

yeh but josh the way u argue for the 360 on a ps3 site is just stupid your gonna attack from all sides!

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:04:27 PM

I can handle it.

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 3:15:27 PM

There you go Ben, he just admitted it...

"I like my outlandish and to the point comments.

When you guys see a blog stating something against the 360 I KNOW someone has to be thinking "man Josh is gunna flip haha".

I look forward to your guys point of view that way to. I also look forward to how you respond to my views."
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He's like the immature ass kid on the playground who hits everyone just to get attention drawn to himself. I know how much you hate it when commenters ask to ban others, but...


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karneli lll
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:03:41 PM

Thanks Joshua for exposing the one one track minds in here

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BIG_E
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:35:50 AM
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Josh just get a ps3 and you will see why people say what they say.
I loved my xbox360 "ELITE" till it crapped out three time's.Three strikes your out.
Hopefully the price for the ps3 will come down to $299.00 so you could get one.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:48:52 AM

If I do get one thats when I will fully respect Sony for fixing its flaws. If I get one it will be because I know its THAT good. Not because I like Sony. Because to turn into a believer you need those promises realized.

Honestly this year holds alot on their shoulders. Im looking forward to it honestly.

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www
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:48:37 PM

just get it Josh!

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www
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:49:41 PM

just get it Josh!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:21:58 PM

That's the beauty of it Josh, try as I might, I find no flaws with the PS3.

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polofish
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:51:19 AM
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nothing wrong with healthy debate josh, and your part of it

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Lord carlos
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:56:12 AM
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whoops made 2 typos in my last post
should read:as of jan 28 2009...

...... 9% drop in sales jan 09
its 1800hrs here in dublin & i've been awake since 0200hrs
i should get some sleep

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 12:35:38 PM
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'sigh' Let me just say that I know of no human who will call the 360 - or any machine that has only been out a few years - their "favorite gaming console ever." Not anyone who has been gaming for any length of time, anyway. The 360 simply does NOT have enough great games to compare against the best systems in history yet. Not even CLOSE.

So sorry, I just don't understand the sentiment.

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www
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:38:45 PM

Thank you very much mister!


Josh,ur 360 brothers will need ya autograph,u gettin' real popular here, but like for real,i think u SHOULD get yaself a ps3,don't worry ur not left behind,about 7-8 more years to go before it fades away,i don't really know about ur budget but......just do anythin' to CAP IT!
It's a nice machine.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 7:04:01 PM

Im a MS legend.;)

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BeezleDrop
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 1:26:10 PM
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Greetings everyone,
Whats really important here is when the PS devs can finally understand the "exotic" hardware in the PS3. All the games to come out are going to look gorgeous but they could look so much better if it was pushed to its limits. Everyone will be more than satisfied with the final builds of the titles to come out (hopefully) but I want to see absolutely -everything- graphicly the PS3 can handle. In time we shall see.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:27:10 PM
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Wow we got derailed didn't we! So since this world ends with me I'll put in my 2 cents: Ben I say we find a way to keep Josh on, not because he is amusing like a monkey at a typewriter but because in a relatively short time when Halo and Gears get old and his system has died for the 5th time and all the best games everyone is talking about are on PS3 he will be forced to get one, he will listen as he powers up the system and hears...nothing! And his words will be eaten without him even knowing it as he talks about all the games we've been talking about.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 2:33:15 PM
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Back on topic: The point stands, since 360 is basically a PC as xbox1 was (Yeah I have one of the those old dandies and it's a decent machine that I hacked like a dead body) it's maxed and done rather quickly. While M$ could still make nice games on it they have practically nothing for game studios and still have to drag down the industry with subpar multiplats (compared to exclusives)and stolen exclusives that could have been better on a single system.

Now, Sony machines past have all started slow as far as game performance and then later on exploded. Ben has said it before, look at PS2 launch titles versus God of War II. You can't bust your wad all at once or it's over, nuff said.

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city96
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 3:17:51 PM
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well said. PS3 graphics in Motorstorm 1 had immense graphics

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PS3_Wizard
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 3:21:43 PM
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Its all a conspiracy like I said awhile ago. Josh is only here to increase comments. I mean the little turd admitted a few posts up that he thrives on our attention, in more or less words.

I'm bout to go X-Files on Ben and Arnold and investigate why they are keeping the pain in the ass named Josh on here.

Could it be? Is Ben really Josh??? Or his partner in crime Arnold? Hmm...My spidey sense is tingling...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 3:54:16 PM

Er...if you hadn't noticed, our Comments section does just fine without him. We have no incentive to create a dummy account to increase the number of posts; TRUST me on that.

I also have no idea where I'd find the time.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 4:14:08 PM

I'll be the smoking man.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 7:02:22 PM

You think ben is me? What are you smoking that I haven't yet?

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somethingrandom
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 8:30:50 PM

I can see it now: Ben has an alternate personality as Josh. Now THAT's the definition of bi-polar my friends.

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Ghosl
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 5:42:21 PM
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as an old man once told me "History is the best predictor of our future".

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Frenchy17
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 6:16:34 PM
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Well I just read every comment on here and I have to say that Troy owned Josh this whole time. Troy admit it, that is why you were being nice towards the end, because you knew that you had won this argument a long time ago hands down. Josh, I would probably miss you a bit if you were gone, but you got to calm down on the attention whoring! If you truly cared about ps3 news, you would be on here commenting with the rest of us on all articles, not just the ones you can spin into anti 360 ones.

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Arkhon
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:00:33 PM
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It's kinda funny how I'm also a huge Xbox 360 fan who doesn't own a PS3 yet comments here very often, but nobody seems to remember me. I guess I'm just too new.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:15:42 PM

Good thing im not alone haha.

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Jed
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:17:05 PM

You dont go balls out defending the 360 on every post

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:24:58 PM

Whats wrong with that? Someone has to do it.

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Itdoesntmatter
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:14:28 PM
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What makes my blood form a volcano, is to think that because the PS3 has more of a mature crowd, it suffers because of it. This crowd seems to take the "why should I ever advertise for Sony" approach while 360 fans basically forgive having to send their systems back to Microsoft 6 times (while still offering only Halo and Gears of War which are both similar and played out). They ignore the largest failure rate in consumer electronics history as if it's no big deal and they advertise that system like it's the second coming while take every opportunity to bash the PS3. They have the entire Gamestop corporation bashing the PS3 in favor of the 360, for christ-sakes! As if having the support of every high school teen in America wasn't enough?

Is it because we want to favor American products over Japanese products? Or is it a widespread conspiracy that I'm unaware about? I had the 360, that system was a joke and I can't stand what is going on.

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dveisalive
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 9:59:17 PM
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WOW this is interesting, I see Josh being attack lmaol!But to stay on topic, PS3 will eventually widen the Gap technically soon really starting with Kill Zone 2 and so on. Hey Josh just put a 360 and a Ps3 together, that makes more sense then you eont have people attacking you like myself! just kidding lmaol!

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:26:11 PM

Screw that. I dont want to mess with the sexiness that is my Avatar.

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Jed
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:22:39 PM
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I just spent an hour reading all these posts. I need to get a life.

It does seem like the 360 is reaching it's limits. Gears of war 2 was great, but not much of a leap ahead of the first one. Resistance 2 looks a whole lot better than R:FoM.

I am really tired after reading all those comments.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:27:22 PM
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Hmmmm Josh
Not bashing although I think you sometime to go the extremes(yes, PSExtremes),......but just wondering here.....

How do you find soooo much time & fun to play the 360 you clearly cherish so much, if most of your time(it seems)is spent here.

And how do you find any extra time to even visit your own 360 sites???(sh*t, it takee me a couple hours just to read through all the daily article & comments here, and that's WITHOUT even replying to anyone).

Hell, I damned sure know that I'd rather be playing whatever console I loved(I spend about 30 late-night hours weekly on at least 1 of my 9 systems.

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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:10:49 AM

I dont really play games that much..Like I love them but im more into cars/Fast bikes if anything. Gaming will always be a hobby of mine tho and I love playing the 360 in my free time.

I work online so mostly I just slack off and post here haha.;)

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AceTatsujin
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:32:06 PM
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PS3 > 360 + Wii

GGTHXBAI.

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chanskie
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 6:27:13 AM
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first of all, i think most people put the graphic on the main priority in s game...i don't care a game is 8, 16 or 32 bit....as long as the game play and story is good...i don't care. yes GOW2 is great...graphic is fantastic, so is MGS4...but i think what really make them stand out is their game play....and the control of the game....i'm not a fan boy,,,i own all 3 consoles...and my xbox360 just got the RROD....so, i actually pretty pissed off with microsoft atm.....

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cazzy07
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 6:43:59 AM
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sorry ben i got a little carried away lol

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The Stig
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 7:10:33 AM
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@Josh

The reason we go on about blu-ray is simple. How much data can a DVD hold, 8.5Gb, hmmm not alot.
Now, how much can a Blu-Ray hold, 50Gb, soon to be a massive 400Gb. I know that most games will never come close to using that amount of space but unless your using multiple DVDs the xbox cannot compete with this. And as games become more and more complicated an 8.Gb DVD is just not gonna cut it.

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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:05:13 AM

When mainstream games need that much data your point will be more valid.

But with most titles only needing it and the faster load times and better frame rates of the DVD I dont see it happening yet.

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The Stig
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:31:22 AM

I know what you mean, I cant imagine games comin close to using that much space anytime soon. But games are becoming more complex with graphics and thus requiring more space. Developers are already struggling to fit games onto a single DVD. With blu-ray this isnt a problem, except MGS4 which had to be cut down. Plus the advantage of un-compressed audio. And what do you think MS will use in their next console? Sure as hell wont be a DVD drive.

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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 11:03:19 AM

If anything MS will not have a Drive at all and simply use digital media. Because its that or BLUray as games become more complex and knowing MS's stance they will most likely not use that route.

Its really all speculation at the moment. But im willing to go with Digital media.

I think MS was smart to go DVD this gen. As costs are more productive and Bluray is still fighting to break the mainstream.

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The Stig
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 1:39:10 PM

Having only digital media for games would alienate the people without an internt connection since they wouldn't be able to download the games, something microsoft would definetley NOT do.

They did say that the future of media was downloadable digital media but when your forced to use MS's HDD in their systems its no surprise they would go down that route.

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Deleted User
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 10:14:44 AM

As time goes on it will become more mainstream for it. They may even find new ways to get it.

Now before that happens its anyone's call really. Were see what happens.

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Arvis
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 11:25:20 AM
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So, are we at 500 comments yet???

-Arvis

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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 11:38:34 AM

These are becoming common. I remember when we flipped because it got past 200.

When will the 500post come? We will see. Im betting its when the new Xbox comes out and the trash talk goes to the extreme.

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Arvis
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 3:28:17 PM

Can't wait! :D

-Arvis

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Banky A
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 4:18:55 PM
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I can tell all you folks now that you have wasted alot of my time.
Haha, thanks

>=]

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Frenchy17
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 5:48:04 PM
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I dont believe Blu-Ray is still fighting to break the mainstream. It is selling a lot faster than dvd when it was introduced.

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Minishmaru
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 7:20:13 PM
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Wow I think I realized why I've stopped checking everyones comments and why i've stopped reading this fine website as often as I used to. Unnecessary flaming of each others comments. I see in no way how Aaronisblah's comment was trolling.

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cadpig
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:57:50 PM
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Trolling aside, 2009 is going to be the ps3 best year, ever!!!!

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BigBoss4ever
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 3:55:46 PM
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facts will prove itself, PS3 will rule, period.

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ROKKOK
Sunday, February 01, 2009 @ 2:28:29 PM
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XBOX IS FOR FAGS

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ROKKOK
Sunday, February 01, 2009 @ 2:28:57 PM
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SHITIEST CONSOLE EVER

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X vs 3
Monday, February 02, 2009 @ 1:31:01 AM
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Read @godsman comment tells u all about xbox360 n ps3 720p smooth/1080p not so smooth.
Xbox360= 720p smooth/ Ps3=1080p not so smooth a good game doesnt need graphics to be great so why would u play a game with great graphics if it doesnt run smooth .
Read @godsman comment n Ps3 is the best not in this case .

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LCF
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 @ 10:32:38 PM

I think Sony is coming out with their own "Unreal Engine" type middleware in the RTE 1080. Running at 1080p @ 60fps, standard. I will know more about this in the next few months.

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X vs 3
Monday, February 02, 2009 @ 1:33:39 AM
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I have played both xbox360 n Ps3.

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AceTatsujin
Tuesday, February 03, 2009 @ 1:32:05 AM
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-SPAMS- ... i think i added a comment, did we get to 500 comments yet? >>;; ........

just wanted to say, blade-man on n4g got the BUH BUH comment there ... and yea, all 360 xbots do is BUH BUH about their failing console.

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DarkManX
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:36:48 PM
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Ps3 gap is wider then ever right now and is growing wider with every exclusive.....now onto fanboyism lol, I bought a ps3 for the gaming, it's not my fault I got a media center with it...in my opinion blu-ray/photo gallery/music box is all icing on the cake that is my ps3.Now I will list a few ps3 exclusives I think will prove the gap theory...killzone 2 (which i hated fps's and got kz2 anyways) I love kz2 with a passion it is the shizznit, GoWIII, Uncharted 2, Demon's Soul, Ratchet n clank, Infamous (it's out and is awesome), Final Fantasy 14 online (mmo exclusive to ps3 console and it will be on pc), o know there is a game coming to multi-plat that is based in the badlands but it's developers have said it's so large that xbox will need 3 discs and ps3 will need only 1.

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DarkManX
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:36:55 PM
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DarkManX
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:36:56 PM
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Ps3 gap is wider then ever right now and is growing wider with every exclusive.....now onto fanboyism lol, I bought a ps3 for the gaming, it's not my fault I got a media center with it...in my opinion blu-ray/photo gallery/music box is all icing on the cake that is my ps3.Now I will list a few ps3 exclusives I think will prove the gap theory...killzone 2 (which i hated fps's and got kz2 anyways) I love kz2 with a passion it is the shizznit, GoWIII, Uncharted 2, Demon's Soul, Ratchet n clank, Infamous (it's out and is awesome), Final Fantasy 14 online (mmo exclusive to ps3 console and it will be on pc), o know there is a game coming to multi-plat that is based in the badlands but it's developers have said it's so large that xbox will need 3 discs and ps3 will need only 1.

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DarkManX
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:36:56 PM
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Ps3 gap is wider then ever right now and is growing wider with every exclusive.....now onto fanboyism lol, I bought a ps3 for the gaming, it's not my fault I got a media center with it...in my opinion blu-ray/photo gallery/music box is all icing on the cake that is my ps3.Now I will list a few ps3 exclusives I think will prove the gap theory...killzone 2 (which i hated fps's and got kz2 anyways) I love kz2 with a passion it is the shizznit, GoWIII, Uncharted 2, Demon's Soul, Ratchet n clank, Infamous (it's out and is awesome), Final Fantasy 14 online (mmo exclusive to ps3 console and it will be on pc), o know there is a game coming to multi-plat that is based in the badlands but it's developers have said it's so large that xbox will need 3 discs and ps3 will need only 1.

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DarkManX
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:36:57 PM
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Ps3 gap is wider then ever right now and is growing wider with every exclusive.....now onto fanboyism lol, I bought a ps3 for the gaming, it's not my fault I got a media center with it...in my opinion blu-ray/photo gallery/music box is all icing on the cake that is my ps3.Now I will list a few ps3 exclusives I think will prove the gap theory...killzone 2 (which i hated fps's and got kz2 anyways) I love kz2 with a passion it is the shizznit, GoWIII, Uncharted 2, Demon's Soul, Ratchet n clank, Infamous (it's out and is awesome), Final Fantasy 14 online (mmo exclusive to ps3 console and it will be on pc), o know there is a game coming to multi-plat that is based in the badlands but it's developers have said it's so large that xbox will need 3 discs and ps3 will need only 1.

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DarkManX
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:36:57 PM
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Ps3 gap is wider then ever right now and is growing wider with every exclusive.....now onto fanboyism lol, I bought a ps3 for the gaming, it's not my fault I got a media center with it...in my opinion blu-ray/photo gallery/music box is all icing on the cake that is my ps3.Now I will list a few ps3 exclusives I think will prove the gap theory...killzone 2 (which i hated fps's and got kz2 anyways) I love kz2 with a passion it is the shizznit, GoWIII, Uncharted 2, Demon's Soul, Ratchet n clank, Infamous (it's out and is awesome), Final Fantasy 14 online (mmo exclusive to ps3 console and it will be on pc), o know there is a game coming to multi-plat that is based in the badlands but it's developers have said it's so large that xbox will need 3 discs and ps3 will need only 1.

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DarkManX
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:36:58 PM
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Ps3 gap is wider then ever right now and is growing wider with every exclusive.....now onto fanboyism lol, I bought a ps3 for the gaming, it's not my fault I got a media center with it...in my opinion blu-ray/photo gallery/music box is all icing on the cake that is my ps3.Now I will list a few ps3 exclusives I think will prove the gap theory...killzone 2 (which i hated fps's and got kz2 anyways) I love kz2 with a passion it is the shizznit, GoWIII, Uncharted 2, Demon's Soul, Ratchet n clank, Infamous (it's out and is awesome), Final Fantasy 14 online (mmo exclusive to ps3 console and it will be on pc), o know there is a game coming to multi-plat that is based in the badlands but it's developers have said it's so large that xbox will need 3 discs and ps3 will need only 1.

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DarkManX
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:39:22 PM
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sorry for repeats =/

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