What Constitutes A "System Seller?"
Killzone 2With Killzone 2 mania in full swing, it becomes a distinct possibility that Guerilla's stellar FPS will cause a spike in PlayStation 3 hardware sales, much like Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots did in the middle of 2008. But these days, given the fantastic diversity of the next-gen consoles, there are plenty of factors to consider when purchasing a new system. Therefore, does this put added strain on the software?
In other words, does a game have to be one of the best titles ever made in order to coerce a consumer to buy a new system? Obviously, there are a few requirements: the game can't be played on a machine they already own, for instance, and that one title has to play a major role in the decision. This has always been the case in the past. PS2 sales really didn't take off until Gran Turismo 3 launched in 2001; many came right out and said they were waiting for the game to release before springing for Sony's new system. Others said they were waiting for MGS2 or FFX, which came out later that same year. In this current generation, though, people seem to be especially careful about making an especially expensive purchase. Therefore, perhaps we need something like Killzone 2 in order to push consoles; so far, the only other game capable of having a significant impact on PS3 sales has been MGS4. ...and yeah, we're all well aware of that particular title's quality.
But apparently, this is what it might take to become a legitimate "system seller." It can't just be exclusive; it has to be absolutely amazing. It has to be a landmark production. Perhaps it's these we have to look for in the future when trying to predict hardware sales: what are the upcoming titles that will push hardware sales for Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo?
1/29/2009 Ben Dutka
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Orvisman
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 11:08:37 AM
This is one of those games that should be on the PS3 because all three previous games were on the PS2.
The same thing with Monster Hunter 3 tri.
This is one of those things this gen... Sony isn't getting every game on its system.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:43:01 PM
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So it may be that a potential Halo-killer will do the same for the PS3, but can Sony pull off a successful media blitz? It is going to hinge on whether or not this game captures the attention it deserves, and so far it is doing well but I still see a huge media bias against Sony's monster and the key will be overcoming this obstacle. Can they do it? is the real question.
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Phoelix
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:57:23 PM
I personally don't think that it's a Halo-killer just because KZ focuses more on realistic warfare and Halo is much more heavily arcade style.
But if you want to base that title on its sales and popularity, then you have an entirely different animal.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:33:08 PM
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Phoelix
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:12:13 AM
I would like to see my friends drooling over it.
Sadly, they'll just make fun of it since it doesn't have any local multiplayer (right?). That's the one flaw this game and Resistance 2 both have, in my opinion.
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somethingrandom
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:19:58 AM
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somethingrandom
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:43:15 AM
I think KZ2 will have split-screen competitive multiplayer, but it's definitely not getting split-screen co-op.
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moose88
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 7:14:11 AM
If KZ2 has this most excellent feature I will finally be able to drag 'Father's Group' into this gen. And if the other lads ever want to take home the trophy, they'll be lining up to buy PS3s to get in some practice time.
Come on Guerrilla, help us out! And Sony sales will grow by a very solid 3 units :)
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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 8:38:41 AM
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Phoelix
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:17:18 AM
I hope you're right.
@JoshuaAdam360
Halo is quite popular, but there are some people who may or may not be incapable of learning how to play FPS's. I think it's the whole one-stick-to-aim-the-other-to-move thing that gets them hung up (my girlfriend included).
@Moose88
My friends do the same, but with Halo 3. The Halo series always produces a fantastic multiplayer game.
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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:26:18 AM
Its simple fun for alot of people. Some people buy it simply for the online service.
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vicious54
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:02:43 AM
So are you saying you have a hard time playing other fps, imo all games are easy to "learn".
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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:37:19 AM
My favorite came series is Call of Duty. I play these bitches on hard. And I have played sharpshooters since Finest Hour.
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Orvisman
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 11:11:28 AM
I'm sorry, but didn't you claim in a post a while back (when everyone was ragging on you) that your fiancee and father died within a short time of one another recently?
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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 5:10:19 PM
But thanks for bringing that up..
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fundando
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:56:37 PM
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AceTatsujin
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:03:24 PM
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godsman
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:11:00 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:35:26 PM
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FeyeR
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:36:40 PM
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Software will play a huge roll in deciding between the ps3 and 360. Sony can't rely on all their ps2 owners to upgrade to ps3 cuz, many many of my previous ps2 owning friends have moved onto 360.
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Troy Powers
Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 11:56:03 PM
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But, I could be wrong. A good media blitz might take the place of an already established fan base.
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somethingrandom
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:23:22 AM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:31:02 AM
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Phoelix
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:18:10 AM
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Troy Powers
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:10:51 AM
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InfiniteRetro
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:01:05 AM
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somethingrandom
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:28:05 AM
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BTW, this game has me more excited than Diablo 3, which is to say a LOT seeing as how Diablo 2 was one of my favorite games of all time (think, KZ2 has been in the making for 5 years. Diablo 3 has been for 10). Honestly, the Diablo series pre-dates the PS1.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 2:18:11 AM
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Scarecrow
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 4:11:53 AM
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That game is the the start of Playstation3's domination
MARK MY WORDS!
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www
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 5:28:24 AM
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Picture this,RE5 comes out n they say it looks waaaaay better on the ps3 than 360 or vice versa,of course nobody wants the inferior lookin' one.As to ppl droppin' another cash for a new system because of exclusives........just a hand full.
Okay,the xbox had better graphics than ps2 but didn't sell well,cause xbox was new in the games industry n ppl didn't really pay attention.This generation is different,we all know about ps3 and 360 thus,one of them havin' the graphical edge can sell more.
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Lord carlos
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 5:35:19 AM
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I think a game that captures the imagination of people can be the exception,kilzone 2 has the quality i believe, but i could be wrong as i thought LBP had that vibe too,LBP could be a slow burner though(such a fun game 2 play with people in the same room)
God of war has it,gran turismo5 will move systems in droves.
Now a console version of Crysis would move tons of units on both ps3 & xbox360,that game is the best fps game i've ever PLAYED,it wipes the floor with all the halo games,shit so did farcry on pc & imo so did half life 2/ the orange box(the combination of puzzle solving & great battles)
so Imho halo was killed long ago(i had more fun playing final doom & alien trilogy on ps1)
PS.i forgot about Alien vs predator on pc,that game would be nice on psn.
Here's hoping 4 a console version of Crysis!!! MAXIMUM ARMOR MAXIMUM SPEED.
PSN ID: lord_carlos
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ec0li
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 6:26:11 AM
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1. Exclusive(duh)
2. Fantastic reviews = the game delivers
3. Guns/violence sells in the western market
4. Internet hype(for hardcore gamers)
The main thing missing is will it get mainstream hype. Sony is supposedly going to market the game heavily. Will this game push systems like Halo, MetalGearSolid, Gears? We will just have to see.
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Enfildate
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 7:13:33 AM
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MadPowerBomber
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 7:44:05 AM
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What really bothers me about this generation of consoles is that everyone is riding on Sony's coat tails. I don't mean to sound like a fanboy of any sort, but I can't be the only person in the world that's notices the striking similarity between Microsoft's commercials for all their games and the original PlayStation commercials that Sony aired. Sony really changed video gaming in general with the PS and their advertising campaign. Before Sony, no other video game or video game console had ads during prime time television, during pro-wrestling events, during MMA events (not that there WERE MMA events at the time, but still), during sporting events of any sort, so on and so forth. And now it's in abundance. Nintendo's original Wii commercials with the two Japanese guys wanting to play were quite different, but even Nintendo's gone to playing by Sony's rules. None of these adverts are all that original or even remotely striking, but both Nintendo and Microsoft are killing Sony at their own game.
Sony needs something brilliant and striking. The old you are not ready ads are the kinda thing Sony needs to be doing, creating their own niche in the market and letting people know the PS is still out there and is still something to contend with.
I mean, they can't just rely on Dave Chappelle skits to sell the thing, 'cause even he's not doing those skits anymore.
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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 8:27:21 AM
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Just the fact that people call it a "Halo Killer" is going to spit in the face of the crowd they are trying to attract. Its like most people I know that I play with in Forza know about GT5 and thats really the problem of it because they are not trash talking the other. When Forza came out if was about the best driving on XBOX. And really it was only known by us Xbox guys..Even tho it was in many ways better then GT4(dont give me your shyt I own it I know what im talking about). And that brings me to my next point.
Its not that well known. Yeah sure you guys have known forever about it but yesterday as most know I rented a PS3 and brought over 6 of my friends to show it. We talked about it and we all agreed on most things. When we where talking I did bring up KZ2 and im not kidding every single one of them was like "whats that about". Then I said "well..its like Sonys Halo". BOOM. Convos where done. Noone wants to support the losing side in a war against a game many have looked for years. We all already know about Halo Wars and Halo ODST. Which we all think HaloWars will suck but are very very interested in ODST. We know its coming later this year and will ALL be in line to get it. Plus were all friends anyway and noone wants to be left out in our Halo sprees. Because not one of them me included are going to give up all the work and friends we already have to play KZ2 when we could just add kills to our collection on Live.
Thats really the genius of Live tho. Since you pay for it and are shown how much you have done to the whole community you dont want to play any other online service. Many people will be like "I payed $50 for this and going to get my worth out of it". Even tho its not alot of money you still feel that.
I know MGS would of sold FAR more if they spread the word because we all thought that was amazing. But when I first brought it up only 2 of them knew what it was already. Its not good. When you have the product you need to shove it right in the consumers FACE. Thats what MS does and thats what Sony need to do NOW if they want KZ2 to succeed.
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Godslim
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:11:08 AM
Halo is old and outdated now and call of duty 4 which cam out around the same time is way better and i would say the king of fps games....my view cod4 was the halo killer halos time is over let rain the next load of fps games
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PS3_Wizard
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:16:38 AM
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Troy Powers
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:21:42 AM
Goes back to what I was saying before. If your game is part of an established franchise, you don't have to do as much marketing. People are already waiting for the next installment. But, Sony should have been hyping this since Christmas.
Also, that's a good point about live. Once you've paid for it, you've got a vested interest, and are more likely to stick to it, even if it's sub-par (not saying that Live is sub-par). Learned that in a psych class a couple years ago. Man, Microsoft is not only fu**ing wallets, they're fu**ing minds! :D
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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:44:59 AM
And stop using "Halo Killer". That just makes people believe it is THE benchmark for all FPS.
People can talk all day about how it plays. But if Joe Random at Bestbuy is looking at games hes gonna remember the title he seen during the football commercials. Because it caught his eye and wants to see what the fuss is about.
Many people dont remember I used to be diehard Sony. And you know what the first title I had on my mind was when I got a Xbox? It was to buy Halo and see what everyone was talking about.
Now I love the series and will get the next titles when they arrive. I will also tell my friends about it because its something I enjoy then they will look into it to.
The ball gets bigger.
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PS3_Wizard
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:36:24 PM
But don't judge to quickly, rent that PS3 again and play it when it comes out. I have no doubt in my mind that it will be better than the MGS4 you enjoyed.
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Deleted User
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 11:55:51 AM
Now Halo has been a sales success for the past what? Decade.
Hmm yep its still number 1 on Xbox live activity. Something tells me Halo is just getting bigger with every Xbox purchased.
I will probably try it out depending on your guys take of it. But im not expecting a world changer to be honest.
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pavlovic
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:32:18 AM
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I think R2 is better then Halo 3, but the lack of advertisement lowered the sales.
Ads combined with a quality game = system seller.
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Alienange
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:53:07 AM
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PS3_Wizard
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:21:33 AM
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Troy Powers
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:24:36 AM
You spend that extra million, you get the word out. That's more potential sales down the line off of that same million spent. Money well spent, my friend.
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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:32:46 AM
Sony needs the console sales and the spike on PS3s can only lead to more sales of other titles as well. Such as MGS4.
Advertising is money well spent.
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jgerbs
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:08:53 AM
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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:34:53 AM
When I rented a PS3 the first game I had on my mind was MGS and GT5. Games that go their own way instead of trying to confront the segment leaders.
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pavlovic
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 1:42:44 PM
But, accept it is stupid avoiding play a game because some people say that "oh no! it can kill my favorite game" Just play it and make yourself your own choice.
How about MGS4? Are you enjoying it? And remember, even if you don't like platformers, you should give a try to LBP.
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MadPowerBomber
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:19:43 PM
This is how the mind of a fan works. It doesn't matter if the Dark Knight Returns was written and drawn by Frank Miller to a Marvel Comics fan, what matters is that it's a DC Comic and to a die-hard Marvel fan, anything associated with DC is instantly crap.
You'll see this sort of behavior in any sort of fanatacism, including video games. Especially video games. What sold me OFF on the 360 (besides the console not having anything I wanted to play, uncomfortable controllers -- to me, might I add -- and not being very reliable) was this behavior from not only fans of the console, but fans of the console that also worked at GameStop and riddled off hundreds of absurd lies a minute about it and the PS3 to make their console look better.
And really, the "Halo Killer" smack talk isn't necessarily anyone talking smack. They've -- they being journalists -- have used this sort of reference towards games for decades. "Street Fighter" killer was used quite excessively in the early 1990s any time a new 2D fighting game was released in the arcades, and I do remember distinctly reading about how Dead or Alive was a "Tekken Killer," when it was initially released. So, there you go.
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Deleted User
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 11:59:31 AM
Now I know most of the smack talk is just done by the ignorant. But you yourself have said the bias from 360 owners have left a bitter taste in your mouth.
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Lord carlos
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:24:55 AM
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yo dude if ya every get a chance to play crysis on high setting it might change your mind about king of fps(untill KZ2 comes out).
I know were talking consoles here,but man its something every serious gamer should try!!
Although it would cost about 8 bjillion bucks to buy a rig capable to run it,thats why i'm a go'in to my mates house to play it tonight!!
if crysis were to be released on PS3 it would move alot of units.
PSN ID:lord_carlos
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Lord carlos
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 10:32:28 AM
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you speak the truth my friend :)
@ troy powers
you sir,are a genius!!!!
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PS3_Wizard
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:40:24 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 11:14:02 AM
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You will not EVER say that Forza is even remotely close to GT in terms of realism. Just don't do it. Not around people who really DO know what they're talking about; around people who know a huge amount about the sport, and whose family's have histories in the sport. I'm sorry, but any gearhead will tell you that Forza is a simulation JOKE. It's something we laugh about so please...don't try to get technical. Just accept it, okay? ;)
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Deleted User [Administrator]
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 11:33:49 AM
I can run into a wall at 200 and be fine. Is that real? It dont matter what I do I cant damage my car or affect its performance. And I dont like that. I love how when I testdrive a car when im tuning. I can adjust my car while driving it. It makes it a much easier and faster process. Also the cars sound and react realistically. When I take a turn hard I get traction issues in a high horsepower RWD car. Which is also what I can make a Focus is I was to get crazy enough;).
In Forza you can run out of gas. Not that you will be happy about it(like when your on the last turn in a 20 lap race! Anyways..) but still.
In Forza you can make your car unique. I can buy a bodykit or change my tint. I can change my color after I have bought my car instead of sticking to factory colors. Plus when I want to swap a RB26 in a Silvia I can do so at my leisure.;)
Forza isn't the most known racing simulator but its got a huge fanbase and is in my eyes only rally racing away from perfection. As Forza also has a drift option that now seems to be in GT5. Because of Forza I believe Sony now added Ferrari and other brands they dident have before. I also believe online play in GT5 had to do alot with it.
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PS3_Wizard
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:43:41 PM
But I will say this. No racer I ever played has come close to the GT series. Its an elite franchise.
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Banky A
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 12:36:58 AM
We don't all need too much real time damage. Everybody knows what happens when you crash at over 50 MPH. You get 'killzed', horrifically injured or your car loses it's torque - 1st gear doesn't work and you can't accelerate.
Modifying cars with bodykits? Sure it makes it fun and more involving sometimes but it doesn't exactly make it more realistic.
Nothing's better than finding the fastest route for your default car and spending ages perfecting your skills and cornering techniques in the same track. To eventually overcome many faster car types.
Gran Turismo's Missions hall had many things like that :P
:)
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't GT4 have some sort of Gas gauge?
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Deleted User
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 11:34:54 AM
But I like the crash damage because when your online some prick cant just swing his way past you. It really adds to the driving experience.
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Lord carlos
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 11:20:22 AM
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your totally right,F1 drivers & even the top gear guys say GT is the closest you can get to driving without getting in a car!!
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Joe_III
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 11:50:15 AM
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That was what Halo has had for it. It handles 4 people coop and system link (plus live for 2/3). The story is fairly simple (in the games at least) and its difficulty levels are fairly casual, easy gamer, tough gamer, and superhardcore.
System sellers do not have to be at the peak of their genre. They do need either a history (like zelda, halo, or MGS) or they need to have local multiplayer.
Many people went out and got GH/RB because they played it at a friends house and liked it so much they wanted to play it at home. People bought xboxes and halo because after a party they were like "wow, cool, I'm going to get it"
If a game can't convince a person's console-less friends that that game (as well as future possible games) is worth the price of the console as well, then it isn't going to be that big a system seller -- we all saw how well MGS4 did. A bump, but not that much of one in the long run.
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Lord carlos
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 11:52:34 AM
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played forza once then deleted it from my HDD.
why you ask?
because its a cheap knock off,only thing its got going 4 it is crash damage.
now BACK in your cave,troll,BACK i tell ya!! :) waves sword in your direction
just kidding
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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 11:57:17 AM
If you think thats all the difference there is you must have selective sight and hearing. Because another thing I can add is my own music.
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PS3_Wizard
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:46:47 PM
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Nynja
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:04:50 PM
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Question is, can Killzone 2 dethrone CoD?
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PS3_Wizard
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:47:55 PM
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Lord carlos
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:13:05 PM
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to be honest i needed the space for painkiller,or maybe its was farcry instincts,but it was certainly no GT.
The only reason GT doesn't have crash damage is because some car companys don't want their cars 2 look all f**ked up 4 some lame reason.
with later versions ie. GT HD concept & GTP if u smash into a wall your car stalls,i hear polyponic are incorporating crash damage in GT5.
ps.GT5 is not out yet,your thinking off GT prologue.
GT5 is gonna be so completely different than prologue.
but i get what your saying'dont judge a book by its cover'
you should listen to yourself more offten!!!
pps.dude i own a ps3,an xbox AND A 360, my sight is clearer than yours
PSN ID:lord_carlos
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dveisalive
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:16:43 PM
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Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 12:50:45 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 2:42:30 PM
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Arvis
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 2:45:23 PM
-Arvis
*Caution: May contain football-like substance.
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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 4:09:12 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 4:57:12 PM
go down in hate-flames was priceless.
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Troy Powers
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 6:47:43 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 2:43:31 PM
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No, there is no damage model in GT. But do you honestly believe the damage model in Forza is accurate? Let me explain something to you- you brush a wall at even 60 m.p.h in a real road race, and it could be over. At the very least, you have a flat tire and at the worst, you've got alignment and suspension issues. The REASON why GT never had a damage model is not just because Polyphony couldn't get permission from the car manufacturers, but it's also because Yamauchi KNOWS what he would need to do to make it realistic.
And if you're going to do it that way, you're going to lose a lot of people. It will be far too difficult, as REAL racing is. Which is why if it's included in GT5, it will probably only be an option.
Professional and amateur racers - and I personally know a few of the latter in my own family - have played both GT and Forza. The latter is a JOKE. At no point does it feel like you're actually driving a real car. Many of the vehicles are erratic and don't react the way they would in real life (do you know what happens to a RWD car at 175 m.p.h. in a 50-degree turn? NOT what happens in Forza), and everything from the braking to turning feels like a VIDEO GAME. Not a driving simulator.
Stopping for gas? Cosmetic. Tuning the car? Cosmetic. And furthermore, tuning in Forza doesn't translate to realistic changes on the course. Do you have any clue what happens if you change things like downforce, camber, weight, gear ratios, etc.? Not if you relied on what you saw in Forza. The problem with Forza is that it retains the roots of arcade racing to make a simulator more accessible, which is why it was a hit. The combination of the arcade aspects and simulated aspects turns it into a JOKE to real racing fans.
Drifting? LOL Let me ask you a question: do you EVER see a car drifting heavily around a turn in any road race? Ever? No, of course you don't. It's a Hollywood stylistic pile of crap that only decreases lap times because you're sacrificing forward acceleration and speed to "look cool." Real racers drift street cars a LITTLE, but only to the point where the rear end is JUST on the edge of losing all grip. But they keep the angle on the turn correct throughout, because that's how you turn fast lap times.
Do you realize that you can't just toss in a turbo on your car and have it kick ass? Are you aware what kind of additional engine tinkering is required? Do you know how important weight distribution is? Do you know exactly why front-wheel drive cars are useless on the track? Do you know why certain types of cars require different tweaks and not ALL will benefit from the same type of upgrade? If you stuck with Forza, you'd know none of that.
Real street racers use a simulator modeled after Gran Turismo. If you check out GT TV in Prologue, you will see multiple interviews with real racers, talking about the game. If you were any sort of enthusiast, you'd pick up the controller to play Forza, laugh, and put it down. Now, we're done. Here's the bottom line- if you want to maintain that Forza is the better simulator when debating with people who might actually know something about the subject, you will humiliate yourself.
Either that, or you're just...a...360 FANBOY who thinks Forza is better...just because it's on the 360. Take your pick.
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Arvis
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 2:49:11 PM
-Arvis
EDIT: Owned. No seriously. No shame in admitting when you're outmatched.
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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 4:34:58 PM
I have worked on cars my whole life. When I was 8 even I lope the camshaft as me and my father where in the garage. A couple years later (at 14) I was the owner of a 97 Z28 (LT1 6SM) and tweaked on it whenever possible because I couldn't drive(Legally;)). At that time it was mostly bodywork and oil changes as the real work layed ahead on my own ride. At 16 I spent all my money on parts to make a beast(97 Mustang GT 4.6). I started with the brakes as I upgraded the calipers and rotors on all ends. Then I ordered springs, struts, and many other suspension components.
I wanted 400RWH. So Knowing that the non PI version of the 4.6 would most likely not handle much boost since that model does not have the forged pistons and rods of the later Cobras. So I removed the engine and upgraded the heads with some PI units. Ported them, and choose a new set of cams. The srings also needed upgraded so I choose a 3 ringed set from patriot performance. Since I wanted a more broad torque band I installed a 5.0 strokerkit along with the new crankshaft that came with it.
Now that the engine was bullet proof I got rid of the old intake and installed a roots type blower and set it at about 9 pounds of boost. The result? 436RWH ay 6200 RPM.But I was not finished so I installed a new flywheel and clutch from ford racing to sweeten the shifts of the T5.
Knowing the 8.8 solid axle wouldn't take it I upgraded it and put some 373 gears for a lil extra fun.;)
I know ALOT about cars. I know plenty about downforce and how to take the best line in and out of the Apex. I know about tuning. From Honda H22s to Nissan SR20s and the VQs that are in your own Z, to Pushrod Chevys to 440 Chargers.
As for GT5. That was my second game for the PS1 as a kid. I when released I played GT2, GT3, and GT4. I love the series. But I also respect Forza for the parts they have added to simulators. You cant tell me some of the things I mentioned would not have occurred on GT5 without the competition from it.
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ec0li
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 6:54:41 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:15:46 PM
So let me get this straight. Now we're not even saying Forza is a better simulator, or it's even on par with GT, but without Forza, GT wouldn't be where it's at? Dude...do you really believe for half a second that Yamauchi gave one flying fu** what Forza did or didn't do? Especially considering that he and just about every other racing/car expert on the planet didn't want anything to DO with that pseudo-sim?
And you may not have noticed, but you have tremendous difficulty proving a point. You go off on some random tangent. Working on cars isn't driving them. You've shown no functional knowledge of how a car operates at high speeds, and that's from your previous Forza statements. You've yet to prove in ANY way how Forza beats GT in ANYTHING. You really need to find a way to stick to your argument and make some sort of point.
But this is a lost cause. Your fanboyism seriously got in the way, here, as it's starting to do more and more with every passing day. I've noticed something: for every post where you try to convince everyone you're not a fanboy, there are about 10 where you're DESPERATELY trying to either promote or defend Microsoft and the 360.
Knock...it...OFF.
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Deleted User [Administrator]
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 9:12:02 AM
Now you dont believe that Ferrari, in car Camera,, drifting, and online gameplay dident have anything at all to do with competition with Forza? Yet im the fanboy!? Come on ill admit what good things GT does without dismissing what the competition offers. "Like he would care what they do". That sounds like that old Sony mentality..
And yes I know about weight distribution, aerodynamics, and a broad torque band. I also know about racing lines and the balance between acceleration and braking on the rubber in corners.
Did you think I built cars just to look at em? Hell no! I was at the drag or track.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 10:34:36 AM
Just stop. Now you're making a complete fool of yourself. You can't even admit when you're wrong, can you?
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Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 10:59:16 AM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 11:31:09 PM
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Deleted User [Administrator]
Sunday, February 01, 2009 @ 9:08:16 AM
So next time I rev the hell out of my engine without hurting it or smash into a opponent at 180 ill be like "man this game is the realist thing out there!"
Not likely..
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Lord carlos
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 2:57:53 PM
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Scarecrow
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 3:30:46 PM
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Forza doesn't even have proper speeds
Furthermore the steering's a joke, I've seen people play it and judging by how simple it is to steer cars it loses all kinds of credibility.
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smileys_007
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 4:19:29 PM
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anyway, in relation to this article, i think the only upcoming games that could be considered a system seller on the ps3 are GT5 and GOWIII.. FFXIII will also be a system seller especially in Japan.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 4:59:47 PM
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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 5:00:48 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 6:00:01 PM
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Deleted User
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 4:36:40 PM
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Do I need to get you guys kneepads or what? Jeez this was between 2 carnuts. Now give your insightful information or just sit at the sideline.
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PS3_Wizard
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 8:06:23 PM
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bamf
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 4:38:47 PM
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I did buy my PS3 on launch because I knew what I was getting in the box, I knew what it has to offer further on in its life, and also the line-up of games which may not have been many, but I wanted to play Motorstorm, R2, Heavenly Sword. I also knew what games to expect in the near future: MGS 4.
Also to me it felt like each generation from PS1 is a console upgrade as if I've upgraded my PC with a faster and more powerful CPU and GPU.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 5:00:53 PM
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smileys_007
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 4:48:30 PM
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Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 5:00:22 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 5:04:07 PM
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Troy Powers
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 6:53:25 PM
Let the gearheads have their battle. No need for the name calling.
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PS3_Wizard
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 8:10:43 PM
Yeah chill out on the name calling. And that "bobo" joke was immature and just plain stupid. Seriously...You call him a name and don't tell us what it means? How can your joke be funny? If I was Josh, I'd talk about you until you never came to this site again...
I mean...did ANYONE laugh at that "Bobo" remark?
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Deleted User
Sunday, February 01, 2009 @ 10:39:24 AM
But then again someone who thinks bobo is a good name must be below 12. So idk what I would say anyway.
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smileys_007
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 7:12:27 PM
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Spartan 117
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 7:40:44 PM
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ec0li
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 8:17:36 PM
Are you kidding me? Just becaus IGN gave Halo3 .1 higher that it means it's better than K2? Can you play the game first b4 you can officially say it's better because of a score? It's all good if you played both and decided that you prefer Halo3 but to say that K2 is not as good because of a .1? Come on...you're a better gamer than that! Don't let your preference of a system sway you like that...jeez.
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Spartan 117
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 8:20:24 PM
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Aftab
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 6:49:03 AM
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Aftab
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 6:50:56 AM
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PS3_Wizard
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 8:14:29 PM
How can you say that and not try out KZ2? Play the game then say that stupid sh** again IF you truly don't like it. God...someone check Spartan's mouth for green Master Chief pubes...looks like another deepthroater.
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Frenchy17
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 8:25:36 PM
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Spartan 117
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 8:49:08 PM
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Spartan 117
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:11:27 PM
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Banky A
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 2:14:15 AM
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PS3_Wizard
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 8:17:22 PM
Josh, put your stupid fellow 360 player on a leash, he's making you all look bad.
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Deleted User
Sunday, February 01, 2009 @ 10:42:16 AM
But im sure much worse has been said about us 360 guys on here. But I dont hold it against you guys. You know. The ones with common sense.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:11:25 PM
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STOP TALKING. To be honest, I'm about ready to clean house. I've always had a low opinion of 360 fans, and I've tried to combat that and let differing opinions into PSXE. But for whatever reason, the 360 fans absolutely CANNOT help themselves. They don't help my opinion at all, as their level of ignorance and COMPLETE lack of accurate information concerning Sony and the PS3 is extremely irritating.
You people can't learn to be civil. You apparently exist to start arguments. I even see a WHISPER of that from either Josh or Spartan in the future, and I'm going to issue temporary and permanent bans. I've pretty much had it.
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Spartan 117
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:23:52 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:26:49 PM
Why are you even here? Seriously?
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Aftab
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 6:59:53 AM
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Deleted User
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 9:19:25 AM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 10:35:21 AM
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Deleted User [Administrator]
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 11:07:11 AM
Jeez man your a lil heated today. Whats the deal?
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 12:26:01 PM
Like I said- 1 post telling everyone you're not a fanboy, 10 defending Microsoft/360. Worse, it's mostly all off-topic in regards to the article. So, you're going to have to tone it down. Simple.
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PS3_Wizard
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 8:19:43 PM
But I think its a little late because ever since Josh rented the PS3, hes lightened up a little.
Now the Spartan geek is just a deformed Dick that needs to be surgically removed from PSX...IMO.
But you're the boss...Do what YOU think is right. Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents!
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Deleted User
Sunday, February 01, 2009 @ 10:44:19 AM
Thats total BS and I know you probably wont admit that..
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Frenchy17
Friday, January 30, 2009 @ 9:54:25 PM
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smileys_007
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 12:37:15 AM
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i know you're a halo fan but i suggest playing killzone 2 first before making a comparison. it's unfair saying halo is better when you haven't played kz2 yet. i just think you'll eat your own words once you played kz2. in terms of sales kz2 will not probably beat halo 3, but let's just see what happens.
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PS3_Wizard
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 8:24:14 PM
I can see you comparing KZ2 to Gears 2...but not Halo 3.
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ps92117
Saturday, January 31, 2009 @ 2:24:44 AM
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Perry Katy
Sunday, February 01, 2009 @ 10:33:07 PM
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amen for that.... lol....
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GuernicaReborn
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Thursday, January 29, 2009 @ 10:40:33 PM