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Edge Killzone 2 Review: A Disservice To Game Consumers

Look, we're not saying our review of the game is "right." We're not saying that personal opinion doesn't factor into an analysis of any video game. We're not saying that the consumer isn't entitled to gathering information before making a purchase; in fact, it's always recommended. But here's what we are saying- publishers have long since understood the power of the review score, and most any gamer will tell you that he/she won't drop the $60 unless they've first looked at some feedback. This being the case, we advise all of you to ignore the desperate-for-attention, we're-going-to-prove-our-elite-status so-called "review" from Edge that has the entire Internet talking.

I'm not linking to it; it doesn't deserve to be linked to. Let's just say Killzone 2 got a 7...and as a frame of reference, Let's Tap for the Wii got an 8. As we said, we're not about to question if there are legitimate reasons, and we're well aware of the often drastic differences in review policy from one publication to the next. But this is nothing more than a blatant attempt at attention, and if it were a strict editorial that doesn't really have any impact on the consumer, we wouldn't blink an eye. But this is assigning a numerical value to a game that basically says, "it's good, but there are better titles out there for your money." This...is...a...lie. That's right, a lie. Like it or not, opinions exist on a sliding scale, and we're not saying everyone is going to enjoy KZ2, but this review is akin to saying something similar about "The Godfather II" or "Citizen Kane." We all know that Guerilla's title is one of the best FPSs ever made; anyone who knows this industry and has a functioning brain will admit to this. They may not like it, but they will admit to its quality. This is what good reviewers do.

They don't lie to the consumer to get some sort of underground "elite cred." I don't care what your system is for reviewing games; if you're scoring on a scale of 1 - 10, there's no way on earth KZ2 gets a 7 in direct comparison to the other products on store shelves. I'm sorry, it just doesn't. In all honesty, based on past review scores from that publication, we're starting to wonder if anyone ever actually plays the games in question...it would be extremely easy to issue a controversial review simply for the sake of gaining attention. You don't need any real details or facts, and you can fabricate a ton of supposed negative reaction. That may not be what happened here, but we at PSXE believe that we are providing our readers with a service. We believe all journalists in all industries are, and that service must be - above all else - as reliable as possible. When a consumer puts their faith in you when doing research on a product, whether it's other consumer reviews or professional analysis, you have a responsibility to that consumer.

If it's your job to be faithful to your readers, you are not allowed to do things like this. You are not allowed to indulge your massive ego in an underhanded attempt at getting attention. Video game journalists aren't exactly treated with a ton of respect by other entertainment journalists (I know, I was one), and if this keeps happening, we'll keep suffering under the same label. And that label is: "a bunch of kids with superiority complexes who just want to prove they 'know more' than everyone else...at the expense of the consumer." That, right there, sums up Edge's review. For your sake, just ignore it.

Related Game(s): Killzone 2

2/9/2009 Ben Dutka

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Comments (346 posts)

MeXiCaNFiGhTeR
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:26:12 AM
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It really dosnt matter Ben even if Killzone were to get 5's from three more websites I'm pretty sure that we would all pick it up anyway!!! :)

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www
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:39:12 PM

it DOES matter.

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rell
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 5:13:22 PM

ouch a 7, I will be still purchasing this game.

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laxpro2001
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:20:45 PM

Let me clarify why it matters. It won't matter to consumers who follow killzone 2 and know how amazing it is and know where to look for reliable reviews.

However consumers without the time to stay up to date on the information and who only rely on one or two review sources would most likely be disuaded from dropping 60$ on this game when seeing a score as low as a 7.

Now I wonder, where the hell is the morals and integrity of the reviewers?

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Zovie
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 1:49:49 AM

"Why so low?" I like how Ben Dutka, in his entire fanboy tirade never once mentions the actual content of the review and what he thought was wrong with it, besides the score.

The complaints made about the game, in the actual Edge review, are absolutely valid. Whether or not those aspects of the game are important to you, the consumer, is entirely subjective. As such the review is just another point of view. You don't have to agree with it, you don't have to like it, but then, the review itself doesn't seem to be the problem here... Just the number attached to the end.

It doesn't matter. It matters so little it isn't even funny. Ben, maybe you will someday realize this and I hope that when that time comes, you will feel a little bit stupid.

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Akuma07
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 5:43:00 AM

Zovie. Ben knows what he's doing. Alot of the people on this site trust his opinion.

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CheekyLee
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 8:28:03 AM

Hitting the nail on the head, really. No matter what anybody else says, you have all already made up your mind that Killzone 2 is the game to end them all. And we have now seen exactly what will happen if anybody dares show any dissent. Fanboys like you sadden me, on ALL sides of the fences.

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PS3_Wizard
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 9:02:26 AM

Zovie, if I were you I'd apologize for calling Ben a Fanboy. Its like sort of like making the Hulk mad.

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NiteKrawler
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 10:42:09 AM

Zovie, you're just as naive as BuckeyeStar. I think we can all agree that the day will come when you have been lured into some fanciful cult and are staring into a cup of kool aid with a decision to make. Choose wisely.

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Totalz
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 3:38:15 PM

Sorry COD WAW got a 6

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MeXiCaNFiGhTeR
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:28:11 AM
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@ Arnold Does Uncharted 2 take out Kilzone 2 visually???

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FFVII King
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:30:04 AM

Yes! Killzone 2 uses only 60% of the processor while Uncharted 2 will use more than that i heard all of its power!

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-268787.aspx

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www
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:40:00 PM

Definitely Uncharted can be better than K2 visually.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:38:02 PM

you' don't want the game to use more processor power though...that's what causes framerate issues and such. you want to use less power more efficiently so a game with less than what k2 used can still be better then what k2 used ^_~

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FFVII King
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:28:16 AM
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EDGE? thats not even a real gaming website. so people don't even listen to them!


IGN-9.4

OPM 5/5

game pro 5/5

megamers= 99.9

metacritic=93%

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Xplicit
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:31:58 AM

Exactly.

Their just anti-fanboys probably, and they need to get some form of free advertising like what this article does.

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Scarecrow
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:16:39 PM

And there we go!

I've always respected Gamepro mag, it's been the best since the 1990s...

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Jed
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:34:04 PM

@ Scarecrow, I've always liked gamepro too.

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tramp
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:28:37 AM
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i noticed this with there poor review score for MGS4 to,what saps.

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Random_Steve
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:02:45 PM

didn't they give R@ a 6 aswell

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The Stig
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:33:19 AM
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They are not the first people to give Killzone 2 a bad review just to get hits. The maxim review jumps to mind, they gave the 50 cent game a higher score.

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Frenchy17
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:07:25 PM

You actually count Maxim?

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The Stig
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:23:28 PM

No, Ive never even picked up a copy of Maxim. I was just using them as an example.

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Troy Powers
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:34:42 AM
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I was reading a couple of the low low score reviews on metacritic. One of them says, "This game is spactacular from start to finish," then goes on to give the game an 87. WTF?!!?

At this point though, I think most consumers have made up their minds. And those who expect KZ2 to be phenomenal will laugh at the low review scores. As Katt Williams would say, if you don't have any haters, then you're doing something wrong.

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PS3_Wizard
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:53:37 PM

Pimp Chronicles huh? Stay Black homie.

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NightHawk17
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:47:40 PM

That's a haters job, to hate

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Reccaman18
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:36:04 PM

I freaking love Kat Williams!

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Buckeyestar
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:36:52 AM
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They're not allowed to have an opinion? Just because everyone else rates the game so highly doesn't mean everyone agrees. C'mon, there is NO definitive score for ANY game. I more admire someone for speaking their mind rather than giving a "me too" ringing endorsement. It's like trying to force an opinion on the public. I suppose because I won't be buying the game that my opinion counts for naught as well? I'm beginning to think the Play Magazine's decision to do reviews without scores it the right way to go. People are too hung up on an arbitrary number.

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:49:29 AM

One thing is having an opinion, its another thing to deny what's there, the factual stuff...i dont know how Edge reviews their games but the standard is usually: graphics, sound, controls, replay factor, multiplayer...now, i havent played the full version yet but do you honestly think kz2 doesnt do those 5 things at a very very high level? At least when in comparison to other FPS? I cant even enjoy cod4 that much anymore, thanks to that demo...

Certain things are factual, certain things are opinion...i can hate all the harry potter movies but i will acknowledge those movies are done at a very level, at least in comparison with comparable movies

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Troy Powers
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:57:40 AM

I've actually read it, and it's actually a pretty terrible review. Not terrible meaning it rips the game. Terrible meaning it has an obvious tone of bias...almost venom, and it doesn't tell you much about the game. I mean, if you're a consumer looking for information on how the game plays, what the graphics are like, what the controls are like, none of that is there. The graphics and sound are NEVER mentioned in the entire review. How do you review a video game and NEVER mention the graphics?!!? Who cares about the score? This was just a crappy review. I agree that stuff like this just gives gaming journalism a black eye.

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JofaMang
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:58:54 AM

Giving a low score just to be contrary is no better than giving a "Me too" high score.

Maxim is forgivable, its a low-brow testomag and in direct comparison to game like 50's, may seem less testicular. They are not a gaming rag, and thier opinion on gaming is credible to actual gamers.

Edge is supposed to be about gaming for gamers. Their huge front page link to the relatively poor KZ2 review proves that their interests lie in hits first, integrity somewhere further down the line.

So, No, real game reviews claiming an objective scoring system are not allowed to give such weight to the reviewers subjective opinion.

If I was a pure Reflex FPS fan with a distaste for story driven RPGs, I could not be trusted to give an objective review on any RPG, without a proven track record to the contrary. It works both ways.

To give someone with an obviously incendiary bent front page billing on a game review that represents the site as a whole, is proof positive that the site is fishing for attention at the expense of journalistic integrity.

I would have given Titanic a 1/5 because I dislike formulaic romantic blockbusters so much, I couldn't appreciate the grandeur of the films achievements. This would make me a bad movie reviewer, even if I was completely honest and skilled in the opinion piece that my review surely would have been.

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convergecrew
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:12:35 PM

Playing a game and having an opinion on it is totally valid. But sitting on your couch and not liking the game you're playing, is a totally different matter than reviewing a game for a publication in which many people may read and be influenced on. Its called journalistic integrity. You cant be totally subjective when you are writing for the public, because you are doing them a disservice. Like docpain said, there should be some guidelines for which you review the merits of the game on, not just some random thoughts of whether you personally liked the game or not.

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:28:27 PM

Yeah journalistic integrity is the term that best describes it...its why sports reporters both on tv and in newspapers aren't really supposed to have a favorite team (even though we know they do)...but they are obligated to report what is going on without their own personal interests in it


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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:38:05 PM

They're not speaking their mind. And I'm sorry, there are such things as wrong "opinions." It's my opinion that the sun isn't hot......mm-hm.

It's their opinion that Killzone 2 is inferior to about 25-30% of all games that are currently available. ......mm-hm.

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:56:21 PM

I'm going to type up a review on Killzone 2 with my opinion that it is by far the worst game of all time and how it can't compare to the greatness of Spec Ops on PS1... Let's see how many hits i get...

Is it that easy to make money these days, even through the nation's bad economic times?

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Zorigo
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:35:03 PM

yes but EDGE is stupid. who won't admit that KZ2 or MGS4 is good.

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JaktheDaxter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:13:33 PM

docpain is totally right. the REAL problem that happens when two members of the sony and microsoft camp start arguing is OPINIONS start being viewed as FACT. that imo is the only reason for flame wars. no one wants to agree that different people like different things aand it starts to spill over into other catagories(reviews for example) some journalists think they can get away with stating what they want you to believe is OPINION and they want everyone to take it as FACT.

im a big enough man to accept that under no circumstances will the street fighter be considered a GOOD movie or adaptation of the game but i promise that will NEVER stop me from watching at least once a month.....same with army of darkness....(but i actually do think its good)....off topic maybe?

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moose88
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:35:15 PM

Hail to the King, Baby! ;)

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:45:43 PM

Sadly, there is a blurry line between fact and opinion. Unfortunately, this is what causes World Wars too.

This is why there is so much sensitivity when talking about religion and politics with ANYBODY. Everyone thinks their beliefs in those 2 subjects are factual.

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JaktheDaxter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:54:10 PM

Exactly, it is my belief this whole world is getting dumber and dumber and everyone is slowly losing respect for each other and whether it be race, religion or video game console no one can just let the world be...it would be naive to be believe in total peace but the ignorance in the world today is truly sickening....no one wants to be wrong but there comes a time when you just have to accept you might be.....

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NiteKrawler
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:55:39 PM

BuckeyeStar, you're so naive it kills me. It actually hurts. Weak minds like yours is exactly what Edge is catering to. People like you are the ones who would generate all their traffic because of their naivety. They will give a game that deserves much better than a 7 a bad review because it will actually make naive people think that there is something innately special about them because they are going "against the grain." While that can be good sometimes, we all need to think realistically once in a while. You, my friend, need a reality check.

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JaktheDaxter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:56:04 PM

@moose88 "close the door, what were you raised in a barn? hmph prolly was raised in a barn, with all the other primitives!"

best quote ever

or

"kneel rapscallion"

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:09:35 PM

Going against the crowd is considered COOL and people like buckeyestar buy into it...Edge targets that kind of crowd, the ones that think they are hot shot for disagreeing with the crowd...

I'm all cool with demostrating your personal opinion but you classified that as "speaking your mind" when the review is extremely empty and doesn't really address the criteria on how to review a game...you blindly assume "they are the ones that are speaking their mind, they are real, they tell it how it is, they are different= better"

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InfiniteRetro
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:38:59 AM
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i cant wait until the crapbox stops being able to pump out games at a high level compared to the ps3. then all the pro-xbox sites will be forced to look at the ps3 with more of an open mind.

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Zorigo
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:36:21 PM

just wait. just wait.

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Bugzbunny109
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:35:20 PM

@InfiniteRetro
You know that name calling solves absolutely nothing.

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:39:28 AM
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Negativity sells, especially if you stand out from the crowd by doing it...nobody reads Edge so I wouldnt worry about it, it just makes them look worse...big game sites wont do this stuff just to get more hits, because they have their loyal reader's trust to protect...doing what Edge has done is just a short term gain with a long term loss.

Negativity sells well in short term...grab some dirt on a prominent figure, write a book about it, get unlimited advertising and word of mouth, watch your book sell like hotcakes

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FFVII King
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:40:11 AM
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I also think Only Gaming, Real Gaming Websites should only have the right to Review the game.

Maxim gave 50 cent game a better rating just to get hits Just like Thrax said and Xplicit said also. they just doing for advertising and get some hits off of it.


That is why i never listen or read there reviews unless its a gaming website. like this website. maxim should just stick and keep up the good work with them Hot girls

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laxpro2001
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:24:42 PM

I agree with you, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that there isn't an official organization for game reviews (maybe here... Ben you might know anyway?)

So unless one is established, anyone can write a review and call it official.

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LegioN
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:40:50 AM
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lol beautiful rant Arnold. And i agree 100% They're attention seekers and i won't ever nor have i ever given them the time of day for their reviews because i know they lack reviewing ability. They've prooved this many MANY times in the past.

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Alienange
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:07:29 PM

Arnold?

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LegioN
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:54:14 PM

lmao *BEN. Thanks Alienage.. I was uhh.. just making sure people were paying attention.

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BlinkBoy
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:43:10 AM
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Yeah Edge has always been epic fail, imo.

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:43:10 AM
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t was alright, overrated as much as the Dark Knight but still good, id say its worth around an 8. I ts certainly not the game equivalent of The Godfather Part II..........

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miro_the_cat
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:51:44 AM
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I use to enjoy reading Edge but it's been a joke for a long time now. In fact getting your game exclusively previewed by Edge is like the kiss of death for most titles. They don't seem to be able to spot a good game in advance, so no surprise they can't appreciate one when it lands.

Ultimate fail!

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englishgolfer
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:56:26 AM
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i've been waiting for edge to give this low review. no surprise there. but i don't think that the majority of people will be influenced by their score. still they are entitled to their own opinion - even if it is wrong ;)

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:57:34 AM
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Bottomline, if you cancel your pre-order of KZ2 for Let's Tap on the wii, then you deserve to be pwned by Edge...that customer doesnt deserve KZ2

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:58:20 PM

lol...Lets Tap!
Didn't even know about it till now! Sound like a blast! ;P

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:02:28 PM

We can start a Let's Tap online tournament...would be awesome, these other fools would be stuck playing Killzone 2 lol...(That's how it is according to Edge UK)

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Jed
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:38:57 PM

Man, I would stomp you all in let's tap...

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pavlovic
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:57:44 AM
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Everyone can have an opinion about a game, but reviewers have the obligation to see technical aspects and in no ways are allowed to advice about spending your money or not. They should stick to facts... because that's their job. Give an overview based purely in facts.

It's like a sports referee, sure he may have a favorite team, but has to do his work objectively, even if he wants "his" team to win the championship

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big6
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:01:18 PM
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Well, even if we're not checking the site (to give it the hits), millions of X360 fanboys, most likely, are...

I hope this practise of unprofessional game reviewing, to garner hits to their site, does *not* become a new trend with other sites! =/

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:47:10 PM

Sadly IGN is headed that way. They have to give it a high score because even a dunderhead can see how epic the game is, but if you read the review (and other great game's reviews) it is almost completely opinion, a retelling of the story, and a couple sentences about technical glitches. There is very little about gameplay and graphics and features. Soon IGNs score will catch up with it's shoddy journalism too.

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Zorigo
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:40:59 PM

i've noticed that WEWM

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dillonthebunny
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:03:00 PM
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ive always said that the Edge are a bunch of attention seaking retro wannabe's.

this will never change.

this whole scoring game has been the Edge way, ive always hated it.


and yes big6, most of the Edge staff own mostly 360's and PC's. thats not me being a fanboy, that is the truth.

Ive had read he Edge for many years... mainly to get an objective view, but it stopped being objective years ago and turned in to the very fanboy they tried to hate.

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www
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:42:39 PM

Don't you live in the forums?.........lol jk! :D

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dillonthebunny
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:10:01 PM

forums are down.. Ive come out to play :D

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Alienange
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:16:00 PM
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Who reads a "review" to get someone's opinion anyways? I like the way Ben put it, personal opinion may factor into an analysis of any video game. For someone to print their opinion and call it a review is ridiculous. As stated by others we want to know if the graphics are good, the sound is inspiring, the game play is fun/visceral in comparison to what we already know or games we already play.

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:02:01 PM

I agree but PSX is an exception to the rule. I really hang on their reviews more than any other.

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miro_the_cat
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:20:01 PM
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I have just remembered when Edge did a comparison of the 360 and ps3 hardware when first announced, and proclaimed that due to the hardware ps3 software would be blighted by jaggies the way some early ps2 title were. Um, like, no! I guess they can't even understand the basic capabilities of the machines they claim to critique.

They have this brilliant editorial slant of championing so called revolutionary games, then give gta 4 gow2 and halo3 incredible scores, for what are massively entertaining but in no way revolutionary. so they breach their editorial slant whenever it suits.

They also like to berate console wars whilst openly fanning the flames.

Ah enough already - summary: they are pretentious hypocrites


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Deleted User
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:21:53 PM
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The review for KZ2 is very convoluted and confusing, just what I expected. EDGE doesn't have much of a positive reputation among the people I talk video games with. They are living on reputation, it seems. I'd like to also read the Halo Wars review as well but it will also probably be in the same opaque manner.

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mastiffchild
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:25:59 PM
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Edge wasn't a bad little read a couple of years back but since they started losing sales of the hard mag they have had a tendency to "punish" the odd high profile game against the critical grain for hits, im to appease advertisers as if they aren't selling mags at least the site must get traffic. However, this is at the expense of credibility.
Mass Effect-7, R2-6, KZ2-7, ME-5-I could go on but the fact is this isn't about bias and while Ben has a point with the indie elitist argument I feel it's more desperate than that.
FFS the words and numbers don't seem to add up! Some of Edge's staff can really write but , sadly, don't seem to be gamers or understand gaming that well and I fear they had one weak editor too many and are on a slide(I've certainly felt so for years)that they feel can only be stopped by selling ads on the back of "look at us" review scores(not always the review itself but definitely the scores)but they just keep losing all credibility.
Sadly, the end result may be the death of another magazine that was once pretty good.

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Troy Powers
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:32:18 PM

Sounds like the video gaming version of The Source.

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BTNwarrior
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:40:29 PM
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I don't think that they have a problem with ps3 games, just games that will not sell 10 million copies in one night.

That is my only reasoning on perfect scores for both Halo 3 and GTA4

and COD4 just desered it

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Daedusian
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:40:57 PM
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damn I love this site...

and their review was absolutely ridiculous. But for a good laugh watch 'hitler rants about K2" on youtube. Freaking hilarious! It's EDGE right there in a nut-shell.

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www
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:44:57 PM

where u been?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:50:05 PM

Were rumors of your death greatly exaggerated?

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Daedusian
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:04:17 PM

lol, nah I've just been busy with exams and such. Great to be back in the real world and reading again, haha!

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www
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:26:02 PM

yea skool,always tryna keep a gamer down.
Is school overrated? If it was a game i guess it gets a 10 from all sites OR?

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Diggity Dan
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:42:14 PM
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I think this is a bit of an overreaction. A 7/10 isn't a *terrible* review score, it's just faint praise. But even if it received a poor score by them, so what? Motorstorm 2 got 7/10's and 8/10's across the board, yet I still think it's one of the best games out there on any console. Halo 3, GTA IV, MGS4 got many 10/10's, yet I think each of them were at least significantly flawed. I bet there's a lot more super-hyped scores out there than delfated scores. I think they needless hype is more damaging than anything.

Besides, if people make their game purchase decisions soley off reviews (lety alone only one score!), there's nothing that can be done to help them.

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:13:36 PM

I agree, Motorstorm 2 is probably the most underrated game this generatin on any console...i blame the bad reputation motorstorm 1 collected, the crappy demo they released, and of course almost no advertising from Sony

But...it did have its flaws too...the rubber band AI can get annoying but seems to be a standard in racing games

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:09:09 PM

A Praise? Um...NO. I rarely buy less than 8's especially after the Soldier of Fortune debacle...Killzone 2 is NOT a 7. Like Ben said it gives it a PASS as a review.

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blindwebster
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:42:24 PM
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Simply Bravo. This is an article that needed to be written, and how well written it was. I joined your site because of this article, as I think it is a testament to your integrity as a gaming journalist who is simply trying to call a foul, when a blatant one has been commited against one of the absolute best games of this generation, maybe THE best.

The common argument whenever someone questions a highly questionable review from EDGE is, "you just do not understand their review system. A 7 on their scale can easily equate to a 9 from other sources." So, you mean to tell me that based on that very same scale Halo 3 deserved a 10? Yes, they gave Halo 3 a 10/10. A good game it may be, but a 10(especially on the EGDE scale) it sure as hell is not. EDGE said that Killzone 2 has a bad story? How about Halo 3? It sure as heck did not get docked for it's rather bland 'save the universe from the evil alien race' plot. Or how about the lack of personality for Master Chief, who's face we still did not get to see by the way? How about the lackluster graphics or the character models that look about on par with Xbox quality? Enough said I think.

EDGE has simply outdone themselves on this one though, and any sane gamer who is not a complete Microsoft fanboy and who has played the KZ2 demo can attest to that with a smile on their face. Probably one of the most ridiculous reviews I have ever seen, and I have been gaming a rather long time.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:55:28 PM

Thank you. That's exactly the kind of image we're trying to project, and we can always use intelligent, civil gamers in our community. :)

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Tim Speed24
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:06:26 PM

Agreed. I'm buying Killzone 2 because of the good things I've seen and heard about the game. My mind was made up months before any reviews were out.

And I tend to believe any real gamer knew this was going to be a good game and will buy it no matter what the critics say.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:42:31 PM
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Edge is the Bill O'Rielly of gaming. They do this "Gimme attention" crap all the time.

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Tim Speed24
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:06:53 PM

Yep.

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:11:53 PM

Bill O' Reilly is a bastard

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www
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:44:27 PM
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7 is really bad,i guess they reviewed it on the DEMO.Even if they don't like it 8 or 8.5 is cool not 7.

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Aftab
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:50:53 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if they never got a copy of the game. Sony and consumers alike should boycott such "publications". At the very least, all gaming sites should speak out against this just as psxextreme has.

What Edge does is the equivalent of "libel", and they seek to profit on what causes loss to people that actually do real work (both dev's and real gaming journalists). Realistically, this is something that could never be tried in court, but neither does one need be an expert in law to see what Edge is doing is immoral.

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raztad
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:54:44 PM
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EDGE reviewers follow this algo for their reviews:

if (Game=="exclusive")
if (console=="x360")
score>9
else score < 8;

So it doesnt matter how good the PS3 exclusive game is, they always will put a bad review of it.If you dont believe me, look for the reviews of x360 and PS3 exclusives from EDGE.

PSN ID: raztad


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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:25:42 PM

I hazn't used javascript in ages =O

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TroubleMaker
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:40:09 PM

LOL sir, you made my day
this is an Xbot's 101 course!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:57:59 PM
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World weighs in: Okay here is a more thoughtful comment on the situation at large. You have all made excellent points about journalistic integrity and the need for an objective review and I have another tip on that front.

Ben has mentioned before that it can be a risky business comparing games of different generations but in this case games such as Halo 3 ARE in the same generation as KZ2 and when you write a review you are being irresponsible by not looking at the title in front of you in relation to the titles surrounding it. You can't say this game is 3 points worse than Halo 3 and still make any sense whatsoever unless foul play is involved.

I've only played the demo and I was blown away in those few short minutes. Comparing it to other FPS this gen (As a person well should) KZ2 does come out as King. Everything in context people, and KZ2 in this Gen's context is groundbreaking. Some of that tech I've never seen before so if you think innovation should factor into a review (I dont but whatever) then it's got that covered too. The irresponsibility in exchange for hits here is absolutely shameless, it's just too bad we are all feeding the troll but it's hard not to weigh in when someone who needs a lobotomy is doing game reviews.

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fundando
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 12:59:50 PM
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Ben, I think you are doing them a favor by writing this article. You are bringing attention to their media because of their score. I for one use only review sites I trust and I always will check the reviewers name. I have no reason to go to this website(nor have I ever). Stop calling attention to them.

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blindwebster
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:31:55 PM

Actually, he is doing a service to the gaming community by shining a light on just how purposely off the mark this review was, and explains in detail why they did it. Yes, EDGE may get the hits they so desperately want for the time being. However, exposing them for what they are just may go a long way in preventing them from suckering in unknowing gamers in the future with garbage, attention grabbing reviews that stick out like a sore thumb.

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miro_the_cat
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:09:17 PM
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Just watched Hitler rants about killzone 2 on you tube. Nuff said. Absolutely priceless.

I guess he subscribed to edge

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Troy Powers
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:44:02 PM

Hilarity!

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Troy Powers
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:37:55 PM
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The Edge score dropped KZ2's metacritic score from 93% to 92%. LOL

I don't think anyone is really worried about Edge's opinion.

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1manlygamer
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:38:20 PM
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Are you kidding? Edge has the right to give it whatever score they want. Killzone is absolutely not one of the best first person shooters ever made, every major publication/review compilation has scored it lower than halo 3 (ign, game rankings, meta critic)and I don't think any of you would call halo 3 one of the best shooters ever made. The only thing killzone 2 has going for it is its graphics, other than that it is a generic rip off of call of duty and halo with nothing at all original. Halo 3 brought about the excellent video recording feature, unlimited customization for multiplayer, and the fairly unique forge mode. Halo 3 scored higher scores just about everywhere. Why call Killzone 2 one of the best shooters and take a stab at edges creditability when I know this same person will call Halo 3 garbage? The person that wrote this is a bitter fanboy and needs to get a grip on reality. Its just another pretty, generic, slightly above average shooter that will be forgotten in a few months.

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Daedusian
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:44:48 PM

it's not so much the score as it is the review that justifies why EDGE purposely wanted to grab ppl's attention. In my book (especially where the economy is now), a 7/10 is not worth buying and I know damn well that the game is worth 60 bucks. They give no reason as to why the game fails so considerably in just about everything they mention.

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Troy Powers
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:46:13 PM

Ummmm...have you played either the demo or the multiplayer beta? Because just about everyone here has played one or both, and can tell you from experience that KZ2 (even the earlier versions) take a steaming dump on Halo 3 on Master Chief's BEST day.

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:51:27 PM

Wow, i have so much to say in response to this...im gonna go finish some errands before i start or else i wont be done in time...this gonna be a while

Let me leave you with a nugget...Halo 3 is highly criticized among xboxers for being too similar to its predecessors...being "just more of the same"...that's all i hear about that game every single time I ask about it...

KZ2 introduces a brand new cover system to FPS that works extremely well for those that are ready to make the leap into the new generation of shooters...when was the last time a FPS introduced something that big..generic?

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1manlygamer
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:52:45 PM

yes I have played both of them, and the controls are ridiculously laggy, the game is beautiful but the AI is definitely worse than halos, the multiplayer is more casual like cod 4 and less skill based than halos (more health = greater change the player with more skill will win)

its in no way a bad game and its definitely worth buying, but i do not think it is as good as halo 3, especially not multiplayer wise, and many reviewers must agree since it scores lower just about everywhere (why don't you go check)

halo 3 gameplay wise is very similar to halo ce and halo 2, it has the same tight controls and such, but the amount of new content added into the game is ridiculous which is why it is still played so much to this very day

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:56:53 PM

Nobody on earth says Halo 3 is better than Killzone 2. Nobody.

What you're saying is entirely without merit, and I smell...yep...I smell Xbot...

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:02:38 PM

Here's another nugget for you, since you live and die on reviews....GTA4 got perfect 10s across the board by basically every single media outlet that covered it...We know, everyone and their mothers know full well that game isn't a perfect 10...

The way you described KZ2 tells me you just aren't ready, you are unable to adjust to the controls...time will help make a better transition for you...a transition you will no doubt have to make unless you stubbornly want to play arcade shooters on roller skates while flinging grenades from one side of the map to the next and shooting while jumping the rest of your life...

You can have your preference, that point is well taken and you are in good shape because you are gonna get two more Halos this year and mayne a couple more Halos every year from now on...sounds like an awesome set-up to me...no "generic stuff" there, eh?

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TroubleMaker
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:36:11 PM

Yep Ben, i smell an Xbot too, tell me Xbot sir, why do YOU come here on PS ONLY site, and post what you were programmed with(Xbot) at Microsoft "Halo 3 is better than KZ2". Why can't you people just admit that KZ2 is a much better game in terms of everything, and when a stupid site like EDGE comes out with a 7 for KZ2, when every other site out there gave it 9+, it should be ignored, because EDGE is basically saying "we are idiots we never played the game, so we're giving it a low score because we want to attract some attention", but by doing that they proved that they were worthless retards, who no SANE human should waste his time with.
And i agree with Ben "For your sake, just ignore it."

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:37:19 PM

"ManlyGamer"
You sound like a Noob that will live and die rockin Juggernaut on Cod4. You speak of skill but you say "more health = greater change the player with more skill will win". You can't hang in Search and Destroy can you? I indulge grinding you guys to a pulp.

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ceedot
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 12:30:18 AM

The guy who wrote it has a bias, sure. I agree that he can give the score he wants, but to be honest, none of the people here have probobly played the full build except the staff. Personal liking of the game might be low, and even if it is quality in terms of production, I think 7 is mid. It's a bit low for a game that may be great (like crysis). I think 7.5-8 could be a good 'low' score for a shitty, good game. I want to play killzone to see if it's actually any good.

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CyberCam
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:44:32 PM
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Can someone please clear something up for me.
What is the role of a video game reviewer?

Is it to give gamers your personal opinion of games? What if you not a fan of the genre, then what does that say for your opinion? Couldn't I just get opinions from just about any gamer after the game is release?

Or

Is it to give gamers the honest assessment of the common/standard characteristics of a game & the new attributes it bring to the genre?

Personally, I'd would love for a reviewer to just give me the facts & leave their personal opinion out of the equation! All I need to know is,

*how are the graphics/visuals, below avg, average or above avg
*how is the gameplay, is it intuitive/responsive
*how long is the game, too short, too long or average
*how difficult is the game on the "normal" mode & is the ai chanlleging
*what is the style of gameplay, is it run 'n' gun or tactical in tems of fps's
*how is the sound, is it immersive
*how is the multiplayer, is it hectic fast pace or is it more tactical & forces teamwork etc.

If I can get an honest assessment of these categories, then I as a consumer can make an informed decision to see if the game has value and is worth the purchase.

The problem I believe with reviewers giving personal opinions in gaming reviews, is that no two individuals have the exact same tastes, they may have similar tastes but not exactly the same.

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Daedusian
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:06:55 PM

the last two paragraphs of Ben's analysis pretty much sum it up of what a gaming journalist should and should not do.

And in no way is it to give gamers their personal opinion, at least I hope. Your second answer, however, is spot on. Looking at the points you made too, every single one of them SHOULD be in every review, and if it's not, look elsewhere, because the review (at least to me) is not even worth reading.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:59:00 PM

The role of the reviewer is simple in my eyes: provide an accurate and reliable analysis of the game's quality, and provide purchase advice. As in, to buy or not to buy. This is the reason why people read reviews, and it's the critic's responsibility to offer what SHOULD be an expert opinion on the product. This goes for any industry, I think.

And yes, the quality is all that matters. Even if I don't personally like a game, that doesn't mean I'm going to give it a 5. If the game is great, it'll get a great score. Personal opinion does NOT have any impact on inherent quality, which is something many reviewers simply don't understand. There IS some subjectivity, but contrary to popular opinion, it is NOT all opinion.

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CyberCam
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:31:39 PM

@Ben Dutka PSXE

Sadly when I read the majority of reviews, their tone, the majority of the time resembles more opinion than analysis! That's why I don't really trust reviewers at all. I've been burned before (e.g. R6V2).

Another problem I sense, is that in some cases, reviewers just breeze over their time with certain games to get to the next and are not as thorough as they could be with their reviews. I'm not saying this is the case frequently, but in the busy season (Nov. to Dec.) it tends to show.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:48:09 PM

Cybercam, just read the PSXE review on Killzone2 to get your points answered.

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miro_the_cat
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 1:46:37 PM
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Awesome sarcasm, 1manlygamer! Made me giggle

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miro_the_cat
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:03:27 PM
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Well, probably time to get some perspective here people. I love the killzone 2 demo. Haven't felt this frisson of pleasure since first playing half life 2. I have k2. Preordered. But. But. We are comparing a demo to completed games. That is not a fair comparison. I am certain Edge is just playing it for attention. But detailed comparisons are not possible yet, not on the campaign mode anyhow.

Still, can barely wait til the 27th :D

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dillonthebunny
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:05:49 PM
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KZ2 hasnt scored as much as HALO 3.. as COD4? as Gears 1 or 2?

could we score chucky egg or spin dizzy 10/10 today? how about Exelon or Glider Rider? Manic miner anyone?

my point is that yes these games scored higher, but knowing what we know now as in the games that have come out... would Halo 1, 2 or 3, gears.. or even the mighty CoD4 score as well today as they did when they first came out?

the answer is no.


so the fact that today KZ2 has managed to get a rather big score across the board is impressive, very impressive.

Edge didnt want to be another 9/10 or 10/10 statistic, they want to either be the first name you see on the list or the last.

And in this case because everyone is giving it ultra high scores, the only thing Edge can do is score so low that not only will the industry cry for blood, but everyone looking at Game rankings, metacritc and all the gaming boards will see that THE EDGE HAS SPOKEN.

pathetic.

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1manlygamer
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:15:48 PM

what? obviously they would have.. the came out only a little over a year ago and NO other big first person shooters have come out since then unless you consider far cry 2 and cod WAW big, Killzone 2 is not being judged by different standards than halo 3 and cod 4 which are both fairly recent games

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:44:20 PM

@1Manlygaymer

Any COD is huge. Dude...welcome to the video game industry, I see its your first time here.

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Scarecrow
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:16:57 PM
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Edge is garbage
It should be banned

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Zorigo
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:46:48 PM

nice and simple. better than some of the long boring shite the others hav written. yeah yeah, edge are crap, move on

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Zorigo
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:45:03 PM
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while edge's review was sorta stupid, i can see some people getting alot more stressed than i am, any game that's 7 or higher, i will consider. i've obviously got my self a copy coming.

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Roblin86
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:56:45 PM
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I pretty much ignore ALL of Edge's reviews. I always strongly disagree with their criticisms, and I feel this KZ2 review is no different. Anyway, if I always made my impressions from just one review I could have missed out some truly great games. Take this one for example:

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps2-reviews/426.html

LOL, Sorry that was childish. Love you really.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:00:27 PM

We've been planning to remove that terrible review and put up a new one, actually. Neither Arnold or I agree with it; SotC was one of our favorite games from last generation.

We apologize for still having that review on the site, really.

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Alienange
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:28:51 PM

SotC is amazing, but I don't necessarily disagree with your review score. Can you really increase the score of Play Control and Replay Value? Maybe Gameplay could have been an 8 ...

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Fatcat3788
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 5:34:25 PM

LOL! Ben! You better get that review off fast. My girlfriend actually reads some of your articles and she loves SotC if she caught wind of this she would never think your articles are credible again!!! Seriously though that is blasphemy. ;P

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coverton341
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:21:46 PM

It was Aaron who wrote it though so Ben should be in the clear

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Mornelithe
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 2:58:55 PM
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You should check out the 'article' on The Game Reviews:

http://www.thegamereviews.com/article-1077-BITMAPS-65-Killzone-2-a-Waste-of-Time.html


See if you figure out who posted the first comment ;)


Morne

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coverton341
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 5:05:21 PM

I see that their article is a bit ummm anit-sony and harps on everything that is gaming going as far as to say that there has been no good FF game since 6. I did not however see any comments at all. maybe they deleted all of them that were not pro-killzone-hate

EDIT: I had to add my own opinion to all of this after getting a taste of the demo this weekend at my fiancé's sister's boyfriend's house. (yeah i know seven degrees of separation)So I left my opinion on their page. Let's see if it gets removed.

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:54:43 PM

LOL LOL!

"Unbiased thoughts by a Community of Gamers"

They can rot away in their dark corner.

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Jed
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:53:58 PM

@ Wageslaves, I caught that too, it was hilarious.

They rat on the game for having "explosive barrels". Can you remember a shooter that didn't have them!! Whether or not they looked like barrels, there is ALWAYS some type of explosive to shoot, even in the GODLY halo 3

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cell9899
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:02:40 PM
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Holly Sh** a 7?

wow this time they really went over the line. If you are going to give HAlo 3 a high score, and you go out and degrade KILLZONE 2, then you might as well tell the whole world just how much did Microsoft paid YOU for your OPINION.

If you are going to give GEARS OF WAR 2 a ridiculous high score, because of its well achieved graphics, then you go out and completely ignore KILLZONE2 achievements, then I as a gamer have a serious problem with the integrity of your site.

Here is an opinion for you EDGE MAGAZINE; get the FUc* away from the gaming industry! Keep your retarded, biased, utter_BS opinions to your self. Either that, or just rename your website to "XBOT land".

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Pranksterr
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:23:17 PM
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1. LittleBigPlanet
PS3
SCE, Media Molecule

“Charming” is a word oft used to describe Media Molecule’s debut game, but that attribute is just part of a well-polished sheen atop a trove of innovations that beckons players to express their own creativity. It brings together all types of gamers, even drawing in non-gamers to witness user-generated spectacle. LittleBigPlanet’s target audience is “people,” and it deserves recognition as game of the year.

Guess which `bias` website that is from :)

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coverton341
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 5:28:06 PM

My bad

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LightShow
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:38:15 PM
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I'm not sure why everyone gets all worked up when yet another website pulls a stunt like this. It's obvious that they just did it to gain hits, so why does everyone give them the attention they're wanting?

Just like that annoying 5th grader who tears up your lawn just to get you to yell at him, the best way to deal with these kind of people is to ignore them, especially when they do something like this. Hell, if you want to call them pathetic, I guess thats okay.

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dlte
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 3:55:42 PM
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FPS - Edge scores/Metacritic scores:
Halo 3 - 100%/94%
Left 4 Dead - 90%/90%
Fallout 3 - 70%/93%
Call of Duty: WaW - 60%/85%
Resistance 2 - 60%/87%
Killzone 2 - 70%/92%

If anyone actually considers what "Edge" has to say, I really do feel sorry for them.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:54:35 PM

Props for the research.

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shaydey77
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:09:44 PM
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I dont normally read reviews but anyways.Well Ive only played the demo of Killzone 2 and to be honest I wasnt all that impressed. Probably because Ive been listening to you guys saying how great it was and partially to my own expectations. Im still gonna get the game and try it..but so far..and i hate to say it but I would agree with EDGE.

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TroubleMaker
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:16:49 PM

another programmed Xbot, the game is not even out for God's sake how can u agree with EDGE, if u don't even know what the story is about???!!!

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shaydey77
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:27:41 PM

Assumption much? I own only a PS3 but I like both systems. Im agreeing with their score based on my own experience with the demo (which IS out by the way) so far.
Also good screen name...troublemaker...how fitting.

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TroubleMaker
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:37:55 PM

EGDE mainly criticized the game's SINGLE player's STORY, how can u agree with them if u don't even know what the hell the story's about?

a little help here Ben

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TroubleMaker
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:42:33 PM

and what kind of idiot thumbs "ups" himself?

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shaydey77
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:45:37 PM

Well after playing the demo which is SINGLE PLAYER I have every right to my opinion. I didnt say I agreed with everything EDGE said. Just the score. I already said I am going to buy the game to see the story as well and because demos dont represent a true game.

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shaydey77
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:46:24 PM

and i didnt actually. You seriously need to stop making assumptions..

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TroubleMaker
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:00:56 PM

im sorry for making uncivilized assupmtions, but at your first comment you didn't clarify why you agreed with EGDE. I should not have senselessly bashed you because of your opinion.

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shaydey77
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 1:40:05 PM

No bother. I apologize for the ambiguity in my original statement. After re reading it i can see how it could easily be interpreted as you did.

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Dmason83
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:21:10 PM
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THIS article is a pathetic attempt at gaining attention. Who are you to tell another reviewer that their opinion is inferior to yours? You state that it's their "opinion." Well, it's your opinion that their view is skewed. Hell, if I were to review the demo, I'd give it a score of a 7 also. And last time I checked, 7 isn't a tragic score. I believe that whoever wrote this article is an attention whore desperate for site hits. Get over yourselves and quit your complaining you crybaby.



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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:40:25 PM

Actually this site get's plenty of hits without this article =) and without people like you joining in

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DragonSphere
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 5:21:13 PM

Jesus christ here, people... how many times do Ben and others here need to repeat it for you? Forget any of that fanboy non-sense, either 360/PS3/Wii/Dreamcast/Genesis, what have you, and realize from the get go that Edge's review is a poorly worded article filled with ambiguities masked in poetical jibber jabber. Please just TRY to defend that review after reading it... I think you'll find it quite the challenge.

The writer basically eschews clarity for, it seems, the sake of sensationalistic headlines. Aside from citing a "weak" plot point and the game's lack of innovation - which is a whole 'nother point of contention entirely - the reviewer fails to give any other concrete evidence for their 7/10 score. Ben is calling him (and others like it) out on the validity of their journalistic integrity: as others have already said, there is a FINE line between fact and opinion when it comes to game reviews, and this review has simply chosen to cloud their review with more opinion than fact. God forbid that a review actually INFORMS readers on the merits of whether a game should be purchased or not...

We're not denying his opinion, no; opinion does indeed play a role in reviews no matter what anyone says. The problem comes when that opinion practically overwhelms the FACTUAL evidence needed to give consumers proper information... for instance, while I may not enjoy Halo 3 as much as many other people do, I still can RESPECT its technical achievement and contribution to the industry at large. Opinion should have little effect on an overall score for a game, which should be judged by its technical merits and not what the reviewer just happens to think off the top of his head. In this regard, Edge has failed spectacularly...



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_MidNight_
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:27:25 PM
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Edge: Halo 3 100 %
Gears 2 90%
Left 4 Dead 90 %


Edge: Resistance 2 60 %
Killzone 2 70 %
Metal Gear Solid 4 80%

Notice a trend yet?, something smells fishy here.

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ec0li
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:13:28 PM

They did give LBP a 10 and Uncharted an 8. They gave MassEffect a 7. I do agree though that they tend to give 360 games higher scores.

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jdt1981
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 4:38:27 PM
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I never even heard of edge before this so I'm not going to get upset over their "review". Most game critics are giving KZ2 a 9 or higher.

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Pranksterr
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 5:24:03 PM
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Edge : GOTY LittleBigPlanet 10/10

Trend ? :)

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:03:15 PM

Gotta cover your tracks somehow, no? It'd be to easy to be blatant.

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AceTatsujin
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 6:01:23 PM
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EDGE reviews SUCK. They can go to hell. I don't even trust them.

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bigrailer19
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 6:04:34 PM
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ok so im likeing twitter more and more but i stumbled across this the twitter that SCEA posted that they are getting KZ2 praise from an unusual source.

http://www.planetxbox360.com/article_5729/Killzone_2_Convinced_Me_to_Buy_a_Playstation_3

if you go to that link you'll find an interesting tidbit from Planet xbox360 about how KZ2 made them buy a ps3.
they actually say things in the article like "This opening scene also showcases the amazing graphical advances which have shattered boundaries which previous FPS games have merely pushed month by month since the start of this gaming generation, truly showing what the Playstation 3 really has to offer when pushed to what we can only imagine are its limits." and at the end "expect a full review/feature later this month as we think this is a game all gamers should play, it's that good." when describing the demo.

I wanted to share what i seen cus this whole EDGE review has made me angry as well and i dont think many people will listen to them lol since what seems to be about 7/10 (karma is a B****) comments left after the review are in hatred towards them now. I thought maybe this would shine some light on the conversation, and obviously we've known awhile what the ps3 can do its good to see the other side jump on board atleast a part of them!

@agentxricky
listen to dillonthebunny please...
if u read the review at edge u would see its not well written.
sorry Ben i know u told us not to bother but i went and read it anyways i couldnt help myself i needed something to laugh at today ;)

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coverton341
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:28:53 PM

Wow. That is all I can say. I think the xbox360 review of this game is more creditable and unbiased than that of the EGDE's review. It truly is nice to see the flame baiting and pissing slowing down and credit being given where it is due

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:11:40 PM

Thanks for the link! Maybe there is hope for gamers...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:05:41 PM

What makes them think KZ2 maxes out the PS3's limits? :)

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 6:52:16 PM

@ WorldEnds

I caught that too, looks like wishful thinking on their part. Its all over the place that it only scratches max 60% of the power. Unlike Gears 2 wreckin on the 360's power...

Guerrilla even said they could've pushed K2 more.

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BikerSaint
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 6:27:42 PM
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Geeez,
Looks like we've gotten a few newbies visting this thread.

But, a couple of them should've really read into the true gist of this article, instead of eating it & then foaming at the mouth, like it's one big green cake of Decon Trollbait.

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PS3_Wizard
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 9:26:44 AM

Yeah, I'm seeing alot of new guys...

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xnonsuchx
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 6:28:52 PM
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It was pointed out recently that Metacritic showed that a higher percentage of PS3 games rate 85% or higher than Xbox 360 games (it was mainly an article about how poorly most Wii titles rate on average).

Lack of co-op IS a major sticking point with a lot of people for KZ2 from what I've seen...not as bad as "tank" controls for RE5, but something seen as surprising to be missing for a "next-gen" title. However, nobody I know (PS3 or Xbox 360 owners) think it makes the game inherently suck somehow.

Does EDGE just not like FPS games?

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shadowpal2
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 6:33:14 PM
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Unfortunately it seems that EDGE has got the world's attention just as the f**king morons at Eurogamer did when they rated MGS 4 an 8/10.

It's called "TRYING TO GET ATTENTION."

There is absolutely no reason as to why Killzone 2 would get a 7, when other highly praised press organizations gave it a 9 and above. IGN - 9.4/10. That's enough to say that it's a good game frankly because I always find IGN reviews to be just so god damn good. PSXextreme reviews are sick as hell too!!

So if I were to tell you what EDGE was doing it's this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dddAi8FF3F4

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Kholdstare
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 6:46:03 PM
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This article is games journalism at its finest. Thank you internet, you never let me down. :D

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BikerSaint
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 6:48:16 PM
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@bigrailer19,
Nice catch on that article you found,
"Props to ya!

I, for one, am of the mindset: "Instead of bashing what system you DON'T have, just go celebrate by playing the system you DO have".

So, it's always great to see that an opposing console site can still cross their border without all the usual sh*t stirring nonsense!

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NextGenGamer
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 6:55:26 PM
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Hmmm... If my memory serves me right, I've seen a couple of articles similar to this on psxexreme. Personally, I don't think you have any right to tell people to completely ignore a review just because you ASSUME it was written for the wrong reasons.
Just because it wasn't given a score that you personally think is in an acceptable range doesn't mean that the review should be disregarded.
If you are going to start running your mouth, at least have some true evidence to support your claims, not just assumptions.

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fathomsSUCKS
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 6:58:20 PM
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Deleted.
Oh look. I typed all of that and it's gone. I'm a moron.

-Arnold was here.

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Arvis
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 11:21:12 AM

Ha ha ha! Priceless, Arnold.

-Arvis

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aaronisbla
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 6:59:37 PM
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jesus they tend to come in packs lol.

Welcome MS fanboys, enjoy your 1 or 2 post stay

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Kholdstare
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:25:11 PM

"Are insults the only way you can communicate? "

You're one to talk.

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aaronisbla
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:39:16 PM

oh how so? if someone gets offended at me saying what i said, then perhaps they are fanboys, if it doesn't pertain to them or you, it doesn't matter. Truly it isn't an insult if its true. Did you see how it was a general statement and it wasn't singling out anyone in the statement? No, obviously you didn't

Notice how i'm not spewing derogatory gay bashing words around? I would say read next time, but then i might get accused of insulting you and gosh, i wouldn't want that now would i?

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Kholdstare
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:04:22 PM

Try to justify it all you want. I don't think anyone on this site thinks of the term ms fanboy as anything but negative. It could very well be true for some people but it's still generally a insult.

Anyway, it was just an offhand comment I made when I looked through your posts at the time. To see someone make such a broad sweeping generalization of new posters quickly insult someone else for not contributing to the discussion. I just found it funny.

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aaronisbla
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 9:37:35 PM

See thats the mistake you made, it was meant for those like the deleted poster fathoms. Its not me justifying it, its me telling it like it is, fanboys period are pretty bad, had this been the other way around, id call it so. if you looked when i posted this, it was after fathom's idiotic comments. it wasn't just someone with a different opinion, it was just a troll. If you would have noticed, i left this only after he made a comment, not after all the other posters.

Now maybe you didn't see the comments he left but when you have to resort to calling someone a "faggot" "shittard" or an uneducated slob, that just shows one has ran out of things to say or debate about. It shows that one is just here to troll.

Did i somehow offend you? Because you seem a bit ticked off for some odd reason, if i did, so be it, it matters not to me, just clarifying what i said.

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fathomsSUCKS
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:05:11 PM
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Deleted.
Oh look. I typed all of that and it's gone. I'm a moron.

-Arnold was here.

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aaronisbla
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:08:12 PM

seriously, you cant be a fanboy of any type, you would make them look bad. I'm not a grammar nazi but you should try to post in coherent sentences

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Jed
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:59:14 PM

@ ARNOLD,

I love the edits!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:10:44 PM

What makes them think KZ2 maxes out the PS3's limits? :)

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Willcome2Urf
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:06:35 PM
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For the same reason that people tend to hang around other people with similar tastes, I think the same could be said for game reviews. I personally will feel more comfortable with a review from one or two reviewers who have been more consistent with my particular tastes, then a game's review based on several different sources. Also, I can recognize when a game is good. Doesn't always mean it will be in my top fav list, but I'll call it what it is.

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fathomsSUCKS
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:09:53 PM
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Deleted.
Oh look. I typed all of that and it's gone. I'm a moron.

-Arnold was here.

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aaronisbla
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:11:48 PM

oh yay, another guy who can't debate without resorting to insults, little kids grow nuts behind a mouse and a keyboard, fantastic!

Are insults the only way you can communicate?

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LightShow
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:30:57 PM

XD

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aaronisbla
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:09:55 PM
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All in all, its just one review ( a pretty badly written review ), its still gonna be a kickass game

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ec0li
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:37:08 PM

I agree.

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aaronisbla
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:17:08 PM
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lol arnold

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bigrailer19
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:21:59 PM
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@ bikersaint
thanks man just returning the favor i guess, everyone here readers and writers at PSX gimme info. everyday so if i can help the cause and give back i will!

as for this article once again people read it again its not trashing someones opinion.
If u read the edge review yourself you'll find there is nothing in there that would say this is a game review. it spoke to me like a friend who played a couple hours the night before would explain a game to me not someone who reviews and writes on games for a living. the review is useless and tells nobody how the game actually ranks in terms of graphics, sound, controls, story, multiplayer they just wrote about it not in detail and said ok 7/10. in fact lol the score doesnt even match with what they write in my opinion so... its not like anything i say will matter lol but anyways...

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Bio
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:34:01 PM
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Why does it matter what another site gives this game? Why is PSXE calling out other sites over their subjective opinion?

It sounds to me that Edge did a pretty good job justifying their score, as in they felt the game was derivative and lacking in story, but that it had a strong multiplayer. Maybe I would feel differently and Ben obviously does, but so what?

Honestly this kind of article doesn't strike me as very appropriate or professional, regardless of whether it's classified as 'editorializing' or 'news' or whatever. Even if Edge's review is completely off base and unprofessional in its own right, I don't understand why it's another site's job to scrag them for it.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:06:55 PM

Ryan, we went over this.

I'll ask you to keep any implications as to how we handle our business in the forums...and even there, it's going to gain our attention. Which you may not want at this point.

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Bio
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:35:20 PM

I'm not exactly sure what I said that warrants the continued implied threats about gaining your 'attention'. Are we not allowed to disagree with you or something?

Seriously why are you so insecure that you have to try to shut down any contrary opinion? If this 'gets your attention' in a way that I 'may not want' so be it, I'm tired of feeling like I can't even respectfully disagree with you without the 'don't tell me how to do my job or you won't like the consequences' crap.

Nothing I said was inflammatory or insulting, I questioned why you even find it necessary to review their review. If that's some heinous crime here at PSXE, oh well do what you have to.

Peace

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:51:52 PM

Tell you what. I'll kindly ask you to stop posting - and stop having your cronies post, too - and we can leave it at that.

Or you can continue this adolescent little vendetta, and that'll be the end of things.

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ceedot
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 12:34:40 AM

Man, I'm all for PS3. I hate 360. I enjoy good games. Killzone may be a good game, just like I think WoW is a good game. Someone might rate it good, and someone might rate it bad. It's still personal opinion. Yeah, blizzard have put heaps of time into the game, but that doesn't mean it may strike fantastic reviews to everyone. It's personal preference.
It's opinion. Just like this guys opinion. I like this site, I go on it everyday, but man; let people have their opinions even if they are against you.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 12:57:05 AM

Ceedot, that guy is a problem wherever he goes.

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PS3_Wizard
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 9:42:19 AM

No WEWM, I agree with Ceedot and Bio. I've noticed a trend lately with Ben. Ever since he got rid of Josh, and even a little bit before that, I've noticed that Ben has been getting progressively more and more uptight.

When I first joined this site a few months ago, I saw that Ben was a much more understanding and respectable person. Now, I constantly see him more a a power hungry Moderator who lords his opinion over others.

Take this post for example, he said this in THIS article...and he received over 11 props!!! Something is seriously wrong with this picture. Here's what he said:

"Nobody on earth says Halo 3 is better than Killzone 2. Nobody.

What you're saying is entirely without merit, and I smell...yep...I smell Xbot... "

Now I understand that BEN thinks Killzone is better, but that is HIS opinion. And now that others have opinions, Ben bats them down without a care in the world. Ben if you are reading this, can you honestly say that what you said wasn't biased? And foreal homie, you need to check yourself. Maybe you are having a bad month?

Why are you so aggressive now Ben? You need to step back and let us community members speak our mind. Nobody (except the xbox fans) ever puts down your opinion, or atleast I don't. And to other PSX members, watch who and why you're giving props to. I see alot of Pro PS3-bash 360, posts being thumbs-uped. This whole site is slowly turning into a flamewar breeding ground.

EDIT: And how was Bio wrong in what he said? What made his post "adolescent"?

"I'll ask you to keep any implications as to how we handle our business in the forums...and even there, it's going to gain our attention. Which you may not want at this point. "

Why don't we want to gain your attention at this point? That post proves that you are probably having issues elsewhere, and is taking it out on us. Ben, take a step back and look at how many negative thumbs-downs you're getting. Chill out yo...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 10:57:41 AM

Oh, trust me, I don't WANT to act this way.

But there's something you're not seeing behind the scenes. There's been a small invasion of sorts, of people I've known in the past (children that still live vicariously through Internet forums) that latched on to PSXE for a bit.

We've been cleaning house in that area and I've been forced to adopt a new tone to deal with it. As you've seen, I don't talk to everyone that way, and that remains the same. Let's just say a lot of this is inside nonsense that you're not entirely aware of... It's a fair assessment but you're not getting the big picture. And trust me, you don't want it. ;)

It's over now, though.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 11:57:06 AM

I know the picture, Bio was a former big shot on the site and he got the boot and has to live in the forums to express anything. He spends his days negating what everyone says and is probably a gomer who hates the entire world and no one will listen to him.

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ec0li
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 6:03:45 PM

@Wizard

I don't know what it is but your post is a steaming pile of...good sense. :)

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ceedot
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 3:46:47 AM

The 'no one in the world says halo 3 is better than killzone 2. no one.' is plain, fucking, stupid. Extremely bias. Seriously, wizard has a point. You have to calm down. You've made these bias editorials lately that makes Me embarrased. Really, dude. Calm down.

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PS3_Wizard
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 8:54:33 AM

Thanks ceedot and ecoli

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ec0li
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 7:49:12 PM
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Off Topic:

I'm reading the comments while listening to Pres. Obama's live address right now. I'm just trying to point out how useless the arguments people are having over this one review that will still get lost with all the 9s and 10s K2 is receiving from other publications.

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Spartan 117
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:01:37 PM
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Ouch a 7 compared to Halo 3's 10. Now I'm not so sure if I will get this game. I'll play the demo of it first and see if I like it. Well so much for the halokiller, Halo 3 got good reviews everywhere.

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aaronisbla
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:14:43 PM

nevermind the fact that just about all the other reviewers have scored it highly right?

So because one reviewer gave it a "low score" its gonna be bad? wow

So say i gave halo 3 a 6 ( which to be honest is what i would give it, no offense ) and i was a professional reviewer. Would you go with my opinion because i go against the grain?

I could care less really if you get this or not, but if you haven't seen this yet, some of your fellow 360 gamers tend to really like it

http://www.planetxbox360.com/article_5729/Killzone_2_Convinced_Me_to_Buy_a_Playstation_3

Also, if you would look at metacritic for Halo 3, you would see some "bad" reviewers at the bottom of the list, so much for great score for halo 3 everywhere right?

Bottom line is that both are garnering rave reviews across the board with a 7 and 8 here and there. there 's a 2 point difference in between the 2 games (92 and 94). I'm really starting to think you are letting you fanboy ways blind you, no offense

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LightShow
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:27:27 PM

You know the "Halo" in the title? Guarantee that the name got it at least 2 points more than it should have.

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:11:11 PM

aaron, you don't even have to do that....he will buy it even if you told him its the worst game of all time

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Banky A
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:11:15 PM

LOL you keep switching from somebody sounding like a fanboy to normal person giving an opinion and not bashing.
It's crazeh!

:P

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aaronisbla
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:13:03 PM
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Here's the thing that bothers me as well as others about the review.

The whole review, he constantly bashes the story, so much so i thought the game would rate lower from him. Its as if the review just doesn't add it, its so ridiculous to be honest.

They gave Fallout 3 a 7 out of 10 also. The main difference between those 2 reviews is that with Fallout 3, although id rate it higher than they did, they made excellent points to why they lowered the score. Thats understandable.

But with Killzone 2, (unless this isn't the whole review ) the only complaint was its story. He didn't note the lack of co op play, he didn't note the weighty feel to the game ,which i tend to like, but i would understand if some reviewer docked points because of it. But he knocks the story and doesn't even explain why it got the 7/10.

The shit doesn't add up, i don't care which kinda system supporter you are or fanboy you are, there is something that doesn't add up witht hat article. I would respect a article if it gave it a damn 1 out of 10 if they can justify why without bias.

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Balb
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:22:31 PM
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Bias..against what exactly? (really think about it...seriously...they give Little Big Planet a 10 and it took all the end of year writers awards)

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aaronisbla
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:32:18 PM

ok we all know they gave little big planet a 10, is this the only thing you can say about the killzone 2 review?

My point still stands, it doesn't add up at all

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Balb
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:38:27 PM
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So why would they be biased? What on earth do they have to gain from being biased against Sony? (which they clearly aren't)

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aaronisbla
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:46:38 PM

when did i say Edge was biased against sony?

The word is in my statement you are commenting on, this much is true, but i didn't say they are biased. I said the review is is all over the place and it doesn't add up. Its a horribly written, non informative review. Like i said before, if they had gave it a lower score but justified why they scored it that way a hell of a lot better than this reviewer did, i'd be cool with that. Not sure where you are getting this "they hate sony" stuff in my post

Also, hits to their website is what they would have to gain for it, if you really need that burning question answered. I'm sure its been pretty hot over there lately from the review that has done what it was intended to do, draw lots of traffic, whether its good or bad


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somethingrandom
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:27:31 PM

They are insulting Killzone 2 to draw attention to the site. This earns them great deals of money from advertisers.

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SaintX
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:52:06 PM
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You guys should actually go and take a look at EDGE's review of KZ2. I would say its entirely bullSh*t. About 70% percent of the interview, its been complaining about how the story sucks, how the characters are so annoying, and they even teach you how to play the game, by telling you what buttons to press for leaning on the surface and etc. The whole review is not a review at all. They don't mention anything on the graphics, audio, gameplay and they touch very very little on multiplayer aspect, while the multiplayer has much more depth than any other game's multiplayer.


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aaronisbla
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:57:23 PM

This is my point, but all some tend to do is look at the score and not read what was written or how. I have seen more informative, better written reviews from users on gamefaqs and metacritic user scores than this crap.

They say Edge is known or use to be known for good writing, this review doesn't demonstrate this. With the score it got, i'm thinking "where the hell is the rest of the review?"

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SaintX
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:06:04 PM

Yea, really is unfortunate that people tend not to read the reviews, all that mattered to them is the score. However, so far this is the only review i think which scored poorly for KZ2. I doubt its going to be enough to dent KZ2's sales. Besides that, the thing which Sony will and has always been relying on to push its games sales is word of mouth, as what happened to LBP.

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raztad
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 8:58:50 PM
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Wow!! There is an invasion of Xbots here! These people are really pissed off for KZ2 turned out being so good!

EDGE can say whatever they want (even lies), but most gamers have already played KZ2 demo and there is consensus about how awesome the game is. Preorders are sky-high for this one and nothing can be done to stop its commercial success. This game will prove to be a system seller, SONY knows it and MS too. Already purchased mine waiting for KZ2 :D.

So Xbots you are right, EDGE review is spot on, dont get the game and go to play some halo. Let us, PS3 gamers, suffering with our 7/10 game.

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BeezleDrop
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:01:58 PM
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There are the people that understand how epic this game is and know it's a launch day purchase. Then there are the others, that look at the positive feedback and then notice a 7?! From a source less than credible mind you. All of you that realise this game is going to be down right amazing get it and enjoy, anyone that won't get's left out in the rain. Ignorance is bliss for the less fortunate.

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BeezleDrop
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:03:34 PM
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It doesn't matter what "Xbots" say, they're dumb enough to not play KZ2 for F sake. Nuff said

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Balb
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:15:53 PM
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"Because if Dead Space shows just what can be gained when you approach the familiar with a mind to making changes,‭ ‬Killzone‭ ‬2‭ ‬shows just what can happen when you don’t."

In other words it's not very imaginative and doesn't do much to progress the genre

"half the chapters feel like multiplayer maps full of bots and random waypoints."

The levels aren't particularly interesting

"its story stinks"

The story stinks

Basically the review reads like it's a decent FPS that isn't particularly progressive and looks lovely.

7 isn't a bad score.

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raztad
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:31:46 PM

Thank you Balb. I think we got you. Thanks again for showing us the light, but as I said above, go and get more playtime with your x360. We are most than excited waiting to pick KZ2 up as soon as it appears on shelves, and of course we will be very very bored playing it :D :D, of course the story stinks and the levels are uninteresting, as the EDGE review says.

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Aftab
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:10:36 PM

To Balb: which of those quoted points are not applicable to Gears2, yet, I'm sure, there is significant difference in scores. Like Aaron said, "it doesn't add up".

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LightShow
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:34:35 PM
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whats funny is that I've never played any build of the game, and I bet 3/4 of all the other posters have about as much experience with the game as I do, yet we're getting crazy stuff from both sides from "PS3 will have an exclusive way better than Halo ever was! IN YOUR FACE!" to "Halo is our sacred cow; nothing is better than Halo, duh", and most people here have never touched the game.

This amuses me, and points to the fact that this whole debate is tied to emotion. How can people here be so rabid one way or the other when most haven't played it?

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PS3_Wizard
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 9:51:48 AM

Thank you light. I knew someone would agree with me. Too many longtime PSX community members, and newbies alike are slowly buying in to the hype and/or becoming fanboys. Scroll up a bit and read my post to Ben, it'll ellaborate more on what you're saying light.

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Frenchy17
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 11:35:46 AM

Totally 100% agree with Lightshow, everyone is blowing all of this way out of proportion. Especially since probably 80% of them have not played the game.

And Wizard, I agree with a lot of what you said too, but how do you know what longtime members are doing? How do you know who longtime members even are when you yourself just joined like a month ago? I think everyone needs to take a step back and to chill a bit. I think they are much more important issues to get up in arms about than a Killzone 2 review.

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PS3_Wizard
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 9:08:39 AM

Ive actually joined at the end of october buddy. And I've seen alot of new faces in my short time here. If you go back to old article's from december and earlier, you will see me around. Just because YOU haven't been around doesn't mean I haven't.

And when I talk about the "older" PSX members, I mean the ones who I constantly saw posting and replying on the comments section when I first joined, want some names?

(Aaronisbla, Troy Powers, Lightshow, Bikersaint, Wage Slaves, WorldEndsWithMe, dillonthebunny, thrax, scarecrow, Aftab, coverton, ffrulez, karneli, kreate, digitalstorm, Arvis, Daedusian
and a few others I forgot to mention at this time.)

These are a few of the people I feel are long time, respectable posters in the PSX community.

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Frenchy17
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 10:27:56 AM

So these are the people you are calling fanboys???

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PS3_Wizard
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 1:58:38 PM

No, some of them are BECOMING fanboys. And I base my assumptions on how they react to other fanboyish claims.

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Balb
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 9:44:30 PM
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Hey that wasn't my opinion. Like Lightshow says I haven't played it and was simply explaining Edge's review where they clearly have justified the score they gave it. But I'm glad Balb can enlighten you.

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raztad
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:04:22 PM
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@LightShow nobody here cares about halo, if someone cares surely has a x360.

And Balb and others, please stop. We already know that KZ2 is amazing!!!! a league on its own, and anyone has the right to criticize other people's review, even EDGE's. If you feel better reading EDGE, good for you. Be happy and let us play our exclusive 7/10 game.

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aaronisbla
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:08:23 PM
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@Balb

when did i say 7 was a bad score? i said the review was crap, a piece of sh** if you don't know what crap means. Not because the game got a 7 but because its written horribly.

Name some fps games that truly, i mean truly push the genre far ahead like Half life 2 did ( in a lot of gamers eyes ).

Sorry but as popular as Halo 3 is and will continue to be, it hasn't been all that great as far as genre advancing goes. Maybe some can argue that about the original Halo, but not 3

Absolutely my favorite fps game this gen would be CoD4, this game does not bring the fps genre up into a higher threshold of gaming, it just sets the standard for the genre. Not because its added something groundbreaking to the genre, but because it took what works with the genre and turned out to be a kickass game

These two games rightfully didn't get docked for points because of this, why should killzone2?

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CheekyLee
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 8:05:10 AM

Actually, CoD 4 did get docked for pretty much the exact same reason.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:09:48 PM
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Invaders eliminated!

...I'm going to patent that and use it again. :)

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somethingrandom
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:35:40 PM

Ben, I would give up on this criticism of other sites. Hopefully they will knock themselves out... (so to speak)

...Unless you are writing this to attract attention to PSXE (No, it's not likely, but these are the articles that always get the most posts)

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notp
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:11:04 PM
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It's baffling how most people have no clue what a ten point scoring system means. 7 out of ten is A REALLY GOOD SCORE. It is significantly above average (average being FIVE, not SEVEN, sort it out). If KZ2 is a 10, what's LBP? Or Mario 64, back when? 12? 15? Giving everything nines and tens completely devalues your system and makes a mockery of it. At the end of the day, the Edge review likely wasn't written for audiences like the one of this site, who had probably already made up their minds and mentally awarded the game the highest honour before even playing it.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:14:31 PM

Holy God.

Yes, we KNOW what it means. HARDLY the point.

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LightShow
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:16:03 PM

while I wouldn't say it's a really good score, it's definitely above average

I think the controversy is coming from the facts that a) EDGE did this to get website hits and that b) if they didn't, any game that deserves the kind of hype it's getting shouldn't have scored a seven, and there are a LOT of people (myself included) who really hope KZ2 lives up to the hype.

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Aftab
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:16:24 PM

If you take a true mathetical average on the score of all games, say on metacritic, you will see that a 5 is below average. It wouldn't be a far reach to guess that it would probably hover around a 7. Killzone2 may not be a 10, but it definitely is far above average.

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:17:40 PM
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EVERYBODY is out to get the PS3, I mean EVERYONE in this entire country...from Gamestop employees, to high school jocks and geeks, to Maxim and Edge (lol)...Sony Playstation brand got too good after PS2 and most people like to root for underdog, not to mention it's a Japanese vs American product (yes I kno 360 chips are chinese)...even the Comic-con had only 360 machines running, nobody even heard of PS3 there...

Even through all of this, the PS3 is still fighting through looking very close to taking a commanding lead for good despite being a year late. Through all the negative press, the "no games" which has become a standard when talking about Sony no matter what games come out, at double the price, and no advertising.

I mean WOW...Makes you realize how powerful and dominant the PS3 is.

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Davidson10
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:21:30 PM
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"Oops, I forgot that calling people idiots and being obtuse in order to sound intelligent is both against posting policy and annoying."

-- Ben was here.



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Arvis
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 11:27:00 AM

*applauds*

-Arvis

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Schmitty
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:22:14 PM
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Can someone explain to me why the Xbot personality forces them to start fights even when there greatly outnumbered and definatley going to get verbally raped? Do they enjoy being proven wrong?

Honest question

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LightShow
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:28:46 PM

clarification: honest BACKHANDED question =D

and the answer is that we only see the aggressive xbots who are brave (read: arrogant) enough to stray deep into hostile territory and set up camp. There are just as many reasonable xbox fans as there are reasonable playstation fans, we just get exposed to the crazies on this particular site.

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Schmitty
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:36:37 PM

good point, but a lot of xbox owners will defend 360 to the grave, if someone tries to start a debate with me i walk away

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notp
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 4:19:44 AM

C'mon, I'm a huge MGS fan, I bought a ps3 just for MGS4, but I'd have given it a six.

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Chris_D
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:46:14 PM
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As an Edge reader, I can tell you all that 7 is hardly a bad score. It's also the same as the score they gave Mass Effect and only 1 less than Bioshock's 8, both which also caused a little controversy at the time time. So fear not, there is no great conspiracy here and I'm sure once you guys get to play the game for yourselves you'll enjoy it.

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JJ Rage
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 10:52:39 PM
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The irony of this article is that it was written for the same reason you claim the Edge review was written: To drum up traffic and draw attention to yourself. Congratulations, you've succeeded.

This isn't journalism, this is sensationalism. You're creating a stir, all up in arms, over a number. Grow up man, people are allowed to have an opinion.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:26:07 PM

Wrong. Don't care about attention. This is calling out a heavily biased and unreliable publication for lying to the same readers we're trying to serve.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:42:56 PM

A review, not a number... failure.

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Kholdstare
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:46:43 PM

"Wrong. Don't care about attention."

Your word against theirs. I wonder which place has more credibility when it comes to a playstation game review. A multiplatform international gaming magazine or a playstation focused website.

I'm not trying to take a shot at this site or anything. Just saying you have much more to gain/not lose from this article then they do with their "controversial review".

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JJ Rage
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 12:42:51 AM

Ben, this article screams of fanboyism. I suppose that shouldn't be much a shock, after all you do run a Sony-focused website.

Put the shoe on the other foot - would you write such a scathing editorial if Halo Wars got a less-than-favorable review? Or the next Legend of Zelda? Or any other non-Sony exclusive property that wasn't met with across the board critical acclaim?

The only thing that separates this editorial from any other fanboy diatribe is proper spelling and grammar, neither of which validates the immaturity seen within.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 1:09:31 AM

Well, after looking back at most of the articles that revolve around this type of situation. I would say he doesn't have to, that would be up to a Xbox Affiliated site, or a Nintendo Affiliated site, correct? Since this is a Sony Affliated site (If i can say that). But after being here for so long, and actually getting to know Ben and Arnold, I could say yes, they would right that type of article, especially if XboxNerds was sill you know...updated (Which Ben was apart of).

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 1:11:19 AM

If we handled Microsoft or Nintendo, yes, I would respond.

Too many of you aren't getting this. You're letting the title of the site blind you to the truth of the matter; if this article was read on GameSpot, it would be treated with more respect than it's getting here. That annoys me.

My statements stand. It is a reviewer's job to provide information to consumers. You are not doing your job correctly if you fail to accurately analyze the product, or worse, if you do so on purpose to gain attention. I don't know which is the issue with Edge, but it's plain to see, logically speaking, that Killzone 2 doesn't deserve a 7. It gives consumers INCORRECT information. SCREW the liberal, "everything is opinion" mantra. Get over yourselves.

Halo 3 shouldn't get a 7 from anywhere. Neither should Twilight Princess. If this happens, it's a fallacy. All of you who want to make rash assumptions based ENTIRELY on the name of this site rather than on my personal views (which none of you naysayers are aware of) and the actual content of the article...may leave.

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Kholdstare
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 6:33:16 PM



"Too many of you aren't getting this. You're letting the title of the site blind you to the truth of the matter; if this article was read on GameSpot, it would be treated with more respect than it's getting here. That annoys me."

You should really read some of the comments to articles on big sites if you think the response you're getting here is any different then one you would get on any other site.Go read any review for a hyped game that isn't completely positive. Look at the backlash X-Play got when they gave Killzone 2 a 5 out of 5 (not good enough for some) as a recent example. Oh and I will agree that you would get more respect on GameSpot then you would here... but do you really expect anything more? You need to earn it, and with the insults and comments you type in articles like this I don't see anyone else in the industry taking you seriously.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 8:22:02 PM

We've been around for 10 years. We've earned respect regardless of what you think.

And if you honestly believe Edge is "respected" amongst real gamers and many critics, I suggest you come visit a press conference or two and listen to the buzz.

I just LOVE gamers who think they know all the insides-and-outs of the industry when they operate entirely on the outside.

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Kholdstare
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 10:17:34 PM

More unsubstantiated claims! Now that's what I LOVE to see.

What's a real gamer?
Which critics are you talking about?

The only ones I've seen make any actual reference to this site and this article are laughing at it. I don't need to know "all the insides-and-outs of the industry" to see how arrogant and dumb you've come off in this article.


EDIT: Then you must love the rest of the people in this article. Cause if this is what you consider as a know-it-all then I wonder how you can stand the rest of your users here. OH yeah, it must not bother you until the persons opinion crosses with your own. Any other time it's fine right?

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Jed
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:19:42 PM
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wow, even the people that like edge are bashing them in the comments for that review.

They clearly just wanted to stir everybody up with their review. Unfortunately, they succeeded.

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ArnoldK PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 12:30:43 AM
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I think what's sensationalistic is Edge. They thrive on this kind of shit.

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JJ Rage
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 12:50:52 AM

What sh** would that be, personal opinions?

Take the blinders off.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 1:02:21 AM
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So many pro-opinion-crybabies we might just break the post record. If everyone's entitled to their opinion then so's the Benster, and the issue of weirdo attention getting reviewers in the business is still a relevant topic of discussion.

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Zomg11111
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 4:37:15 AM
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A single format website is lecturing a respected multiformat magazine on objectivity? Give me a break.

Edge use the full scale 1-10 with 5 being average, 7 is a great score. The game was described by Edge as a solid shooter with great graphics but let down by lack lustre story and recycled FPS cliché's.

Don't worry the PS3 isn't going to sink because Killzone 2 got 7 from Edge, it'll sink if Sony don't cut the price.

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Douchebaguette
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 5:27:43 AM
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I could of sworn that EDGE magazinge were biased anyway. Very untrusted magazine. Low scum.

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noshownogo
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 5:34:29 AM
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What is really funny is you can clearly determine who doesn't even have a PS3 amongst the nonsensical posts.

The majority of persons posting here will get the game despite what Edge publishes; at the end of the day if Killzone 2 lives up to the hype when we all receive our copies then we can lay this topic to rest and call Edge for what it is...

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BlindsideDork
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 7:04:31 AM
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FLAMES!!!

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dredneck13
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 7:09:32 AM
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I have to side with Ben. I am in the game industry and while not a big FPS fan myself, anyone can see this game is brilliant. The AI, lighting, FX, animation systems and intensity of the battle can't be ignored. When I saw the EDGE review I didn't really care but I did think to myself, I will never read that magazine. I do feel game reviews put too much of there self elite attitude and I always think of them as a jaded kid that plays too many games and is acting like a king the jester has to impress.

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CheekyLee
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 8:20:49 AM
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"Yay! I missed the entire point, too!"

-- Ben was here.

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TroubleMaker
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 8:27:23 AM
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Ben, everything you said proves how professional and tustworhty you are. If a reviewer goes and tells "lies" in his/her review, you need to step in and make sure to clarify that to all the readers of this site. This article proves that you are trustworthy and dependable as a gaming journalist.

And to all Xbots who wasted their time posting here; we the readers of this site trust Ben Dutka's opinion, he's a professional and he knows exactly what he's doing.

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dillonthebunny
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 10:18:41 AM
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have you not played the demo?

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dillonthebunny
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 6:32:11 PM

eh? my previous reply was to a post no longer there!

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Arvis
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 11:38:45 AM
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There seems to be a vendetta against Mr. Dutka in the comments here.

FACT: This article is an editorial. Editorials are opinions.

FACT: Game reviews are judgments based on BOTH facts AND opinions.

If a reviewers opinion from playing is "I don't like this game as much as some other games" then that opinion will be offset with many facts i.e. "great graphics, smooth framerate, great sound, etc." In this way, a game that does everything well, will still score relatively high despite being reviewed by a journalist who may not personally have enjoyed it.

The problem with the EDGE "review" is that they didn't feel the need to deal in in facts at all. In fact, it should be called "The EDGE Killzone 2 Editorial," because it isn't at all what an actual review should be.

Remember everyone: "This game is bad" and "I didn't like this game" ARE NOT THE SAME STATEMENT.

-Arvis

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 12:39:17 PM

The vendetta is personal; it actually has nothing to do with the article.

Don't worry, we've dealt with it. But thanks for the observation, which is entirely true. :)

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shaydey77
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 3:37:15 PM

Mostly agreed Arvis.
But also

FACT: This is under the PS3 news section...yet its an editorial..so shouldnt it be under a different subheading?

Editorials are generally printed either on their own page of a newspaper or in a clearly marked-off column, and are always labeled as editorials (to avoid confusion with news coverage). (from wikipedia)

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NiteKrawler
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 8:10:38 PM

Sheydey, I wouldn't want to spend time going from the editorial section to the news section. I'm glad they're lumped together.

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Arvis
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 1:20:36 PM

Since when are editorials not news? There's a print publication out there called "a newspaper" that is FULL of editorials...

-Arvis

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shaydey77
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 11:12:02 AM

@ arvis
In that case since when are opinions news?

@ Nitekrawler:
Then you are as lazy as I am!

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LegendaryWolfeh
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 12:41:24 PM
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I don't get why eveyone says 7 is a great thing, 7 is the freakin average, i mean hell think about your grades in school (US school....in texas) 70's aren't satisfactory(but accepted) aka a D! anything < 70 = 'F'ailing. 75 = c, satisfactory. an 80 is good, and 90-100 is excellent!! so by a school grading scale, Edge just said K2 is almost a failing game :|

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Chris_D
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 12:59:28 PM

7 is NOT an average score in Edge. You might have realized that if you'd ever opened a copy of a magazine.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 1:17:48 PM

And you really have nothing to say, just blurt out objections, at least i actually gave a reasoning behind mine but all you can do is make up shit :| just gtfo. and FYI i have opened up a magazine, quite a lot, and yes i can most definitely say, 7 is AVERAGE. most noticeably when comparing it to other games :|

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Bio
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 5:39:15 PM

His point is that every publication has their own scale, and for Edge, a 7 is definitely above average. Edge scores a lot of games in the 4-6 range because they use a true 10 point scale.

You can't take this one review of theirs and look at it in a vacuum, you have to understand their rating system and see how they've rated similar games previously.

It's not like they're going around handing out 9s and 10s to everything and then BAM! they just 'flop' Killzone 2. Killzone 2 score above average on their scale, and despite any assertion to the contrary, Edge's reviews do NOT have to conform to some arbitrary numeric scale in order to be valid.

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Aftab
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 5:44:41 PM

A counterpoint to how "good" (or not average) a 7 from edge is: The score given to Gears2 (9/10). Every point raised against KZ2 holds true about Gears2 (homogenous level designs, lackluster story, so forth). However, from what I'm hearing about the graphics and multiplayer alone, KZ2 is superior to Gears2. But I'll guess I'll just have to find out for myself. However, after playing Gears2 and Resistance 2 (which was given a 6/10), it is clear to me that Edge has as much crediblity as it's xbot following. Therefore, I come here, not there. So my question is, why are you people here?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 12:54:40 PM
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General rule, invaders: jumping in and screaming "fanboy!" means your post - and your membership - will magically disappear.

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TroubleMaker
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 3:36:56 PM

LMAO
it seems that you are always right Ben, and i trust your judgement.

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Totalz
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 3:28:45 PM
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7/10 in Edge is bloody good for Killzone 2 as anyone whose actually read the mag will tell you. They gave COD WAW a 5 I think it was, so be pleased that it has recieved a pretty decent score from some of the harshest critics in gaming. By the way I think that 6/10 is average normally (IMO) but in Edge its probably closer to 5 or even 4.

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NiteKrawler
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 8:15:09 PM

If those games got that score then it can almost be said as fact, EDGE has no place reviewing games. To be a reviewer of any kind, you must be objective. That doesn't seem to be one of EDGE's strong points.

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Totalz
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 3:38:45 PM
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Sorry COD WAW got a 6

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Dustinwp
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 4:00:51 PM
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"Shoot" looks like I missed the Edge readers invasion. Oh well, I never read much of Edge's publications and seeing their reviews never will. If you look at the inconsistencies of their reviews among FPS, there is no way to justify Edge's review system or logic behind it. Your never going to reinvent what a FPS is, so the only way to judge it is to compare it to others too find what it does better. I have a hard time believing it doesn't do anything better than Halo 3,Far Cry 2,Doom 3,etc,etc. I know it's just a number, but the number is assigned so you can compare it to past games of that genre. Which does make that number important to some people looking to purchase a game.

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Robochic
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 5:53:59 PM
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I"m going to be honest, i've never heard of Edge magazine but the only mags i really read is the playstation mag,nintedo mag and the rest i get my information off the net. So i was curious and went to chapters read the review on this game and it's BS i've played the beta and man it was great and that was the beta, when i read the review it was poorly written, very confusing and to me had nothing to do really with the game but a personal opion. Now i've never taken journalism but my good friend has a degree in it and she explained to me the first rule of journalism is you can't attack or have a personal opion on what you write, you have to put aside u're own views and look beyond yourself and into the reader. Ben does a great job of this he never at least i think never puts his opion above anyone elses and thats why i keep coming to this website.
The thing I don't understand is why these bad reviews or lack of reviews on a game can get published i don't get it, i'm not saying everything should get a happy 10/10 but i don't even think the person who wrote it actually played the game, or just played a demo that wasn't fully finished and just decided nah lets see what happens when i give it a crappy review. I dont' agree with the edge review for this game, i do believe it has a big factor on purchasers especially during this recession,people are more serious on what games to purchase to make sure they are not buying a poor game. Now i dont' think this one review will reck the way the game is sold but if this continues through other games for any console it maybe a difficult time for gaming industries.

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Kholdstare
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 6:42:49 PM

A review is nothing but a personal opinion. Everything is subjective. Writing a review of something is NOT journalism.


I find it funny though to hear you say that you come to this site because Ben never attacks anyone and doesn't think more of his opinion over others. Yet that's exactly what this article is. He's attacking the journalistic integrity of Edge and putting his own personal opinion of Killzone 2 above Edges (by simply saying they're wrong).

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 6:52:37 PM

None of that is true. You didn't even read it, obviously.

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Kholdstare
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 7:45:24 PM

Just entertaining the notion of a professional magazine fabricating the score of a popular title for hits is a huge insult to the editors over there.

Yeah I must of missed something.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 8:19:36 PM

You can call them "professional" if you wish.

Then you might try reading real magazines. Maybe you'll rethink your ridiculous statement.

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NiteKrawler
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 8:26:37 PM

Holy crap khold. Your thinking is beyond help. Reviews should NEVER be opinion only. In fact, there should be little to no opinion in it at all. Have you ever heard of being objective? Probably not. You are probably one of those people that takes whatever they say and try to turn it into gospel. There are a set amount of thing that a FPS has to do. KZ2 does every single thing great if not better than most other FPS's. This is something that can only be denied if your judgement is being clouded by your opinions. It's no wonder why you think Ben is the one doing what Edge is actually doing. If you actually think that Ben wrote this article to generate hits and that EDGE DID NOT write that "review" to generate hits, then there is absolutely no help for you.

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Dustinwp
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 8:42:32 PM

@Kholdstare I find it funny that the writers at Edge don't even put names to their articles or reviews, but your willing to buy what some nameless person is telling you. Why do you think they remain nameless? Probably so they don't have to deal with their irresponsible reviews and articles. When the writers at Edge quite hiding and face the music for their garbage I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Ben and Arnold are active members of their own sites community. To bad you can't say the same for Edge's website.

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Kholdstare
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 8:59:33 PM

"You can call them "professional" if you wish.

Then you might try reading real magazines. Maybe you'll rethink your ridiculous statement."

Nice comeback. Good to see you're willing to defend your view in such a deep manner.

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Kholdstare
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 9:23:17 PM

@NiteKrawler

You should know it's impossible to be truly objective. We ARE human after all. And about reviews not supposed to contain a opinion I won't even get into. Just go look at two opposing reviews of the same game and try to figure out why they came to different scores.

I'm curious to know why you're defending KZ2 so much when the games not even out yet. You know how many people have done that in this thread so far? I'm not saying the game is bad, just that I think a lot of the people here should take a step back and realize the game isn't even out yet. Do you know how bad that looks?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 9:36:10 PM

Hey Kholdstare: If I say Gran Turismo 4 has superior graphics to Pulse Racer, is that opinion or fact?

Try thinking first before replying, please.

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Kholdstare
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 9:37:42 PM

@ Evilincarnate


Maybe they want to present their voice as a giant collective when it comes to reviews instead of individual personalities (the opposite of what sites like 1up are doing)? Maybe appearing as a group helps alleviate stress individual editors may face from outside sources? I don't know, and neither do you. So I would suggest you stop assuming things to use as evidence for your argument.

Oh and it's not really fair to compare the community involvement of a smaller site like psxextreme to a (first and foremost) international gaming magazine. You know who I can meet? The local junior sports team the Ottawa 67's, too bad I can say the same for The Senators (NHL).

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NiteKrawler
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 9:41:25 PM

Just because it's impossible to be truly objective, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't TRY. Where would we be if sociologists and scientists across the spectrum were as objective as EDGE. While I know that all reviews have small bits of opinion in them, the gap between EDGE's reviews and everyone else's reviews indicate that without a doubt, EDGE is not being nearly objective enough to accurately review this game. Use some logic. As for me defending the game when it still hasn't been released yet, I've played the demo. I know that's a very small taste of the game but I can truly (and objectively!) say that just from playing the demo, it deserves a better score than 7. I was as objective as possible while playing the demo. I'm sick of FPS games and so I went in slightly against this one already but after playing, I knew it was one of the best FPS's ever made. I still won't be purchasing the game because I'm going to get RE 5 instead (plus I suck at FPS games). THAT'S being objective. You should try it sometime.

P.S. I do agree with you that people who haven't played the game at all shouldn't be acting like they have. They need to at least play the demo. A lot of people here participated in the beta though.

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Kholdstare
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 9:49:18 PM

@Ben


Seriously Ben?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 9:50:58 PM

If you can't answer the question, that's your problem, not mine.

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Kholdstare
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 10:06:01 PM

@Ben

More unsubstantiated claims! Now that's what I LOVE to see.

What's a real gamer?
Which critics are you talking about?

The only ones I've seen make any actual reference to this site and this article are laughing at it. I don't need to know "all the insides-and-outs of the industry" to see how arrogant and dumb you've come off in this article.


EDIT: This was in response to your original post and not the edited one.
"We've been around for 10 years. We've earned respect regardless of what you think.

And if you honestly believe Edge is "respected" amongst real gamers and many critics, I suggest you come visit a press conference or two and listen to the buzz.

I just LOVE gamers who think they know all the insides-and-outs of the industry when they operate entirely on the outside."

Edit edit: Ah, wrong place sorry. The comments section of a article is NOT the proper place to have these long conversations. :)


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Kholdstare
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 10:11:01 PM

It's not about answering your opinion so much as you trying to overstate my opinion in a attempt to refute it.

A better example would be something like the art direction of a game like Gears Of War. Can you say as a fact that it's either good or bad? Can you tell me the story and script help bring the game down and take the player out of the experience?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 11:38:48 PM

You're simply dodging the question. It's your claim that reviews are all opinion - idiotic, but whatever - and therefore, I asked you a very simple question.

Is it an OPINION to say that Gran Turismo 4's graphics are better than Pulse Racer's? Or, put it this way, is it OPINION to say that a piece of filet mignon is better than a McDonald's hamburger?

There are both subjective and objective aspects to any critique of an entertainment product. Artistry is very subjective. At the same time, it's not an "opinion" to say that no video game script can compare to the finest novels ever written. Are we understanding this now?

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Kholdstare
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 5:46:51 PM

Nice to see that you're still trying to misrepresent what I said all those comments back. You really don't understand do you? It's like I'm talking to a wall (one that's constantly throwing out insults whenever he can... mature). Guess for my last post I'll take off the gloves and add a few funny things I've withheld so far.

1. For someone who has told others that they obviously didn't read the article, it's funny to note your entire original article. The only thing you bring up in the entire review is the score attached at the end of the Edge review. You don't even take issue with anything in the review other then the score. Good job.

2. Directly comparing two games of a different genre and on different platforms. Yeah, great frame of reference.

3. If Edge is not professional where does that leave you? The single platform website that I've never heard about until a respected journalist brought this up on twitter.

4. This was a sensationalist article which tried to disguise itself by crying wolf on a apparently controversial review. Time has shown that the Killzone 2 review is nothing new and you have no proof other then the score to back your point up.

5. "We all know that Guerilla's title is one of the best FPSs ever made; anyone who knows this industry and has a functioning brain will admit to this. They may not like it, but they will admit to its quality. This is what good reviewers do." Yeah, you're right. Some journalists want it to fail, and wish it was bad. But they are wrong. Killzone 2 is game of the forever. FACT.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 6:00:08 PM

Still can't answer a simple question. ...it takes an absolute genius to evade. Really.

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Kholdstare
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 10:50:04 PM

Enjoy your playstation fansite. Cause with articles and comments out in the open like these you're not going to do much better. :)

lol Edge wouldn't even take you.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:15:00 PM

@Koldstare

Sidestepping a simple question! lol

Dude trying to outsmart someone rather than analyzing the real problem being confronted is childish. Reviews are not to be opinions but Objective analysis based on facts. That is something you just cant wrap your tiny mind around. Instead you result to insulting. Your laughable. BYE!!

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notp
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 7:37:01 PM
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Just as a quick piece of context, Edge has been around in print form since 1993, almost sixteen years. They didn't award ANY game ten out of ten (not a single one) until SM 64 in 1996, three years after its inception. In the entire sixteen ish year history of Edge, a ten out of ten score has only been awarded to ten titles, averaging out to a ten being awarded once every eighteen months or so. You can take that for what it's worth, but to me, that indicates how valuable a ten in Edge is, and how special something has to be to get it. Killzone certainly isn't groundbreaking enough. (this may seem like baiting, btw, feel free to ignore it, but the Official Playstation mag gave KZ2 a 9/10. If the *Official* mag didn't give it ten, and went with nine, that translates to an Edge 7 in my mind).

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notp
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 7:39:59 PM
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Oh, and as an addendum- two of those tens, Halo and Halo3, went to Microsoft developed titles. Two, LBP and Gran Turismo, went to Sony games. Don't see a bias there, personally.

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Dustinwp
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 8:12:40 PM

@notp So if Edge puts such a big emphasis on innovation then how did Halo 3 manage a 10/10 since you seem to know their rating system so well? Halo was innovative for it's time, but Halo 3 not so much. When I read Edge's review I got the impression the writer didn't seem to think K2 was innovative enough. Halo 3 is a good game, but not innovative, so I really don't under stand their review system. I believe Edge is bias in some way, I just don't know towards what.

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notp
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 9:20:46 PM
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I don't think H3 should have gotten a ten either, to me Edge if anything is scoring too gently of late. Halo 3 did innovate with Forge as a means of getting user generated content onto consoles in a way that hadn't been done before and hasn't since, to be fair, but this is about Killzone, not Halo.
"I believe Edge is bias (sic) in some way, I just don't know towards what."???? with all due respect, that's a really daft statement.

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 1:28:34 AM

I was just stating that Edge could be bias towards a particular console or genre. Sorry, my statement came off really daft. I didn't think I had to break it down for people to understand what I was getting at. As far as K2 is concerned, the demo and beta alone have been more impressive than anything in the Halo series, Doom series, and even the Resistence series. Graphics, mechanics, and overall fresh feel of the game have been far better than anything in it's genre to this day.

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PeteBloodyOnion
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 9:51:18 PM
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"It was written so poorly, nobody could even understand this post, anyway."

-- Ben was here

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LightShow
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 @ 10:37:14 PM
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man, will this hit 300?

the article comments section that wouldnt die!!

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PeteBloodyOnion
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 12:21:51 AM
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Funny way to delete a comment Ben!
but I'm sorry for not being as fluent in english as you are!
So again, here's my 2 cents!
And to be sure that my post is " correctly written" I will use most of your own text.
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Killzone 2 Review: A Disservice To Game Consumers!

Here's what we are saying- publishers and game companies have long since understood the power of the review score, and most of the publishers and game companies will tell you that gamers won't drop the $60 unless they've first looked at some feedback or been brainwashed by the hype!This being the case, we advise all of you to ignore the desperate-for-attention, we're-going-to-prove-our-elite-status-before-we-are-release so-called game hype from Sony that has the entire Internet talking.

Let's just say Killzone 2 got from all the media,1 month before the release date, a 9 and as a frame of reference, Gta4 got an 10.
if it were a strict editorial that doesn't really have any impact on the consumer, I wouldn't have already reviewed this game.
But by assigning a huge numerical value to this game, we are basically saying, "Good or bad we are making this game a hit! " This..is...HYPE. That's right, HYPE. Like it or not,this review is saying something like "Way better then COD4" or "Best game ever made." And guess what? the demo can only be played if you pre-order the whole game!

We all HYPE Guerilla's title AS the best FPSs ever made; anyone who knows this industry and has a functioning brain will admit to this. They may not like it, but they will admit to this work ethic. This is what good reviewers are told to do to keep jobs, Hits, ads revenue ,exclusives demos and consumers traffics.

By the way just wiki: wind waker, Gta4, and explain me:
How come reviews are sky rocking yet many complains like glitches, tedious actions and problems are founds?




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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 1:03:30 AM

I don't get this, either. This wasn't a review. Can't understand a word of it.

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NiteKrawler
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 10:52:23 AM

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say. Your opinion on this matter isn't clearly defined. But I did see a part about not being able to play the demo unless you preorder the game. That's not true at all. You can get it on the store for free.

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 8:56:25 AM

Ben's only stating that Edge's inconsistent reviews and opinions are elitist and should be ignored. Most of the people on other gaming sites feel the same. The only gamers I've read defending Edge have either been Xbots or brain washed Edge readers, which is the minority of gamers in society.

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zero
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 10:54:30 AM
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Yeah, that's why LBP got a 10, because they're biased. Not because they're talking about a game which doesn't do anything new. It's really impossible for a space FPS game to not be terribly original or generic. If this was on an xbox you wouldn't think twice about it I guess.

Edge has been around for 16 years. It's not a "website". It's a magazine, a magazine which almost every industry insider reads. I actually trust the Edge 7 more than any 9 out there. It's still a solid 7 (as opposed a 7 is a sucking game which most websites rating systems seem to use). I think it will fill my shooter needs for now, but I won't expect anything really earth shattering.

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 11:34:00 AM

Actually, if they gave GOW or L4D a crap review like this I would feel the same way. I think a lot of people who contribute to this site would feel the same as me. Not every gamer is a fanboy! Edge has been around for sixteen years and getting more senile by the day. A solid 7? I didn't know the number 7 had a different meaning than other number 7's? I guess you learn something every day!

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Deleted User
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 12:13:13 PM
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We seem to be getting a lot of new people here, Ben. It's funny how non-PS3 owners love to visit PS3 sites.

I don't really care what Edge had to say. Ever since Gerstmann-gate, the only opinion that matters is my own. Unfortunately, too many people still regard some gaming "journalist's" opinion as gospel. That may have been fine in the days when Greg Kasavin and Alex Navarro were around, two men who I felt when they did a review, they thoroughly explained in detail why the game the score it received but not today. Any magazine that gives a 10 to Halo 3 or LittleBigPlanet doesn't have any credibility. I love LBP but it does not deserve a 10.

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 12:13:20 PM
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What I don't get is Edge defenders say a 7/10 review is a good score coming from them. So basically their 7/10 review is more important than another publications 9/10 review. That is the definition of elitism! That just makes this editorial that much more relevant.

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zero
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 12:23:27 PM
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Sigh. I'll try to explain it in another way then. Edge is about innovation. It's mostly an industry magazine, not a magazine about pumping people ful of lead because it's cool. As a matter of fact, most normal gamers would hate Edge because of it's views, it's not meant for them, that's why the hate is undeserved. They shouldn't be worried about it in the first place. LBP was one hell of an innovation. L4D was innovative in a way that it used it's multiplayer component in an essential way to the core game. Halo 3 was innovative in it's online integration of it's components. Etc.

How is Killzone 2 innocative in any way? Hence the 7.

And don't give me that crap about non PS3 gamers. I own 7 fu**ing systems. I already have this preordered. Because I want a goodlooking shooter. But like I said, I won't expect anything ground breaking. Just some fun.

The rating system needs to go. People draw too many conclusions about one simple number and forget the mission of the source.

But congrats on the hits anyway.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 12:36:46 PM

Edge is a joke.

Their job is to serve the consumers; they know full well how much stock everyone puts into a numerical score, and furthermore, the pompous idiots who only care about "innovation" continue to do gamers a disservice. Their "mission" is, at some point, dictated by the public. And their mission is a failure. Period.

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 1:15:56 PM

If you Edge defenders like your stupid elitist site so much, please stay their. No one outside of your site cares or wants to hear, about how you know every thing about the industry and no one else does. You Edge people are totally detached from the real gamer,that you might as well build an island for your own little detached society.

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 2:41:24 PM

Zero, im all for innovation but thats not what should be the most important part of any review. If a game does everything right in its genre that it should, the title should be judged on its own merits, not compared to other titles in the genre. just my opinion though

I love Gears 2 but i would like for you to point out the innovation in it. Seriously. It deserved the great scores it got, but lets face it, innovation is lacking from gears 2, probably the reason why some call it gears 1.5. I find it strange that you didn't mention Gears 2 either...

Same thing for GTA4, besides looking really good in a lot of people's eyes with its euphoria engine, where was the innovation? Decent game at best but it didn't redefine the genre, perhaps you can say it set the standard for the genre up a bit but not redefined.

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 1:56:16 PM
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@Bovine2 I wasn't aware I wrote this piece. You Edge guys, are the most arrogant a**holes on the web. Your not insiders because you read some stupid magazine! You guys are a bunch of gamers who think they know every thing about video games. Guess what? You don't know s**t! Get over yourselves!

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zero
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 1:56:29 PM
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I will fully admit that the Gears 2 review was a thorn in my eye as well (I knew someone would bring it up:P). 7/8 tops. But just because I disagree with one review, doesn't mean I throw away a whole publication. Mistakes happen, opnions differ, in all forms and shapes, in every medium, here and everywhere else. Most of the time I agree however with them if I reread the game when my fanboy inside of me has died for it, even if it hurts me a little to admit it myself, even Fallout 3, which was my GOTY, got a 7, but I could still see it was flawed in many ways, I just didn't care enough to stop me playing.

That's the difficult part about this review. I think it's spot on (based on what I played, read and I've seen of course, I'm stil buying it, and maybe I'll disagree again), but another might have the same feeling if Edge gave Gears 2 a 7.

I still think it's good to question the game as a whole. Not just go on ranting that it's a 9/10 and the best thing ever happened to gaming just because it's supposed to be very good.



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aaronisbla
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 2:44:28 PM

ok, i made my last post before you posted this, its up a bit, but do know im not attacking you.

The thing about the Fallout 3 review they made is they brought up really good points, and even though i loved the game so much, i can understand why they gave it the score.

I only speak for myself but the thing bothers me with the killzone 2 review is it tends to weigh in heavily on the story and not too much on other things that could have been brought up. I know reviews tend to have opinions in it but the review reads more like an editorial than anything else. i just wanna know what else made them give it a 7 since it seems the review is missing some stuff

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NiteKrawler
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 2:14:14 PM
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I'm just seeing too many inconsistencies in EDGE reviews. It's basically an unspoken rule among gamers that 7/10 is not that good of a score. I think EDGE and EDGE followers are just using the lame excuse that 7/10 is actually good because no one can prove that it's not. BUT that doesn't change the fact that if someone sees that score and no others, they will more than likely pass on buying it. It is just a dumb, nonsensical thing for EDGE to do. They know that when an average consumer sees a 7/10, it makes the product look subpar, no matter how much they say "no! it's a great score!" Sorry, I'm calling bullshit on that one.

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NiteKrawler
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 4:41:05 PM
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Ok, someone is getting too delete happy. One of my posts is magically gone. There were no insults or curses or anything in there. I also had a thread in the forums deleted for some unknown reason. Why is my crap getting deleted with no explanation? *begin anger*DAMN IT!!!*end anger*

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raztad
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 8:23:01 PM
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Wow!! it amazes me how this debate is still alive! :D Good job Ben. Rabid xbots are really desperate trying to comfort themselves for not playing KZ2 LOL! EDGE review is UBER lame, what piece of sh*t. I hadnt realize that EDGE gave FEAR2 an 8!!! So I am learning after EDGE, that Lets Tap and FEAR2>> KZ2, awesome. /sarcasm Now I am cancelling my KZ2 preorder, FEAR2 is the one to get /sarcasm



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PeteBloodyOnion
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 @ 11:07:43 PM
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@NiteKrawler
Last time I Checked Gamestop had a exclusive deal to the killzone 2 demo. The free version is supose to be release 1 day before Killzone 2 release's date!

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 10:11:01 AM

Well I have it Pete. Maybe that's just for US. I got it on the UK store.

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Bovine2
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:50:31 AM
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Well, a thorough wave of deleting posts has left this whole comments section meaningless. All my posts and many others' have been taken out. You have seen fit, however, to leave in the replies, leaving occasional bouts of profanity aimed at ghost posters. As I said earlier (now gone obviously), this is clearly in line with your "my view is the only view" stance. It seems like some kind of journalistic fascism, lol etc.

I'm really not sure what your intention was, Ben, when you decided to brew up this storm, whether it was to get some limelight, a genuine but misplaced sense of justice, or maybe just resentment at real journalism, but the result has been that you look like a whining fool. If the owners of this site have any modicum of sense, they will delete all these comments and the article and try to salvage whatever shred of integrity that may remain. As for you, Ben, I have a feeling your name at the bottom of an article will, from now on, garner derision, laughter and little else. Well done, enjoy your limelight.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:25:23 PM

Be civil, just maybe people will listen.

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 10:15:25 AM
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Most of us here will adamantly defend Ben and this article just as much as you EDGE followers will defend them. Only difference is that we have good reason. And the only thing that I see misplaced here is your faith in EDGE.

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Bovine2
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 10:35:21 AM
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I have no faith in Edge or any other magazine. What I do have is a belief that any publication has a right to their opinion, whether you agree with it or not. Accusing people of lying because they do not fall in with your opinion (or the opinions of however many others) is pathetic journalism. Even worse than this are gamers who have not even played the game, shouting about the injustice of it all. At least wait till the game comes out before deciding that it's the second coming of Christ.

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 11:00:08 AM
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You're very very naive. You need to learn what real reviews are. When there is one review that stands out among the rest, there is obviously something going on. Shed your opinions and open your eyes.

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Bovine2
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 11:36:46 AM
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I should shed my opinions because I'm naive? That's kind of funny.

And I will certainly open my eyes and when I get a chance to play the game. I'll decide if I like it or not then. But you see I didn't think the demo was 'awesome' so I have no reason to believe the full game will be 'awesome' either. But I suppose I'll have to shed that sort of opinion and believe the reviews instead.

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 11:53:59 AM

No, that kind of thinking is what creates bad reviews. Just because you think the game isn't awesome, that doesn't mean it should be reviewed badly. Reviews are not opinions. That's what you guys can't seem to understand. You can have opinions and be naive. I meant that you should be objective when playing the game. Whether or not you were, I can't say and it doesn't matter as I don't believe you are a reviewer. But when reviewers play games for the sake of reviewing them, they MUST be objective. It is obvious that EDGE was not. Again, open your eyes.

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Bovine2
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 12:09:27 PM
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As has been stated before, the review was not negative. It gave a good score and a mostly positive review. The previous issue also had a 6 page article which gave praise to the sound, graphics and polish of the game, saying they were the best yet seen. Hardly the work of anti-Sony liars. The simple fact is that the reviewers were not as enamoured with the game as many others were. Objectivity does not come into it. There is no graphics + sound + controls + etc = score. That kind of mentality leads to nonsense reviews.

This is seriously ridiculous. Do you people rant when a magazine gives a bad review to a film you've seen a trailer of? Do the discrepancies in reviews of films, books, art etc mean that some reviewers are wrong or lying? Those medium also have technical and artistic characteristics, which you could probably attempt to put numbers on. Try shouting liar at a film critic, though, and you will be laughed out of it. Try doing it to a game critic and you will probably have a legion of semi-literate minions to support you.

Over and out.

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RationalGamer
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 12:32:56 PM
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Edge’s reviews are no more bound to journalism’s golden standard of objectivity than Roger Ebert’s are. Claiming otherwise is simply ridiculous. There is no definitive standard on which to review a game that every game can be objectively measured to, therefore all you are left with in a game review is the reviewers experience and the publication’s criteria for judging said experience. Edge has theirs and that’s all they’ve done here.

Sure, disagree with them and post your counterpoints. That is perfectly valid. Claiming that they are flat-out wrong and questioning their motives? That just reeks of blind fanaticism.

Criticism is not the be all, end all on whether a piece of entertainment is “good”. Not everyone likes Citizen Kane. Some people don’t enjoy Catcher in the Rye. And some people aren’t going to be blown away by Killzone 2. We are not homogenous automatons. The range and depth of our human experience allows for all manner of opinions, which I celebrate, and Edge’s review is just an example of that.

As for me, I’ll read Edge’s take on the game and move on to read someone else’s opinion. When I’m playing my copy on the 27th, I’ll be able to determine with who I agree and that will help me determine who’s tastes are more in line with mine when I’m reading reviews in the future.

This silly pitchfork and torch mob mentality surrounding dissenting opinions on Killzone 2 only makes our community look childish to those looking in from the outside. Seriously. Just stop.

Thank you,
Rational Gamers

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zero
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 1:41:38 PM
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Chinese Democracy review:

The album consists 14 of tracks, all featuring guitars and singing. There's a nice booklet and it comes in a plastic case. Axl is a very hairy man.

Score: 6

That's not a review, that's a summary. Why would game reviews be different from movies, books or music?

Calling a review biased because you think it is is the same as calling someone a witch in the middle ages because she looks funny. Give concrete proof or don't even go there.

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 1:51:01 PM
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Well, whatever. EDGE readers might as well go on listening to the views of people who would give gears 2 and halo 3 brilliant scores and then bitch about a game that has the same faults as those two games and give it a low score. Yeah, that's logical. And Rational, Every genre of every style of entertainment does indeed have different things that they should do. That's what reviews should be based on. Not on whether the reviewer likes what they do or not. If reviews were all about opinions I'd be able to go out and become a grand reviewer myself.

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ArnoldK PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:06:18 PM
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NiteKrawler: Your posts aren't getting deleted. I think they sometimes end up in the approval bin waiting for us to set them free. It happens usually when there's a URL or a curse word.

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:18:16 PM

It was just one actually. I deleted a few of my own because someone else had said the same thing I said so mine was obsolete. I'm not sure what happened to the one I'm talking about, but there's a post saying almost the same thing I said in its place now so I'd have deleted it anyway. But thanks anyway.

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Chris_D
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 6:49:58 AM
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Another great article by Sean "Elysium" Sands over at Gamers With Jobs. Required reading for all here.

Your Bias Is Showing
http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/43646

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FlupKe
Sunday, March 01, 2009 @ 7:35:06 PM
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7 is not a bad note.
notes are overrated everywhere.
FPS games SUCK on consoles.

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