Does Anybody Really Care About The PlayStation 4 Right Now?
See Full ImageYou have to understand the question: I don't mean we won't have any interest in the next PlayStation; I'm simply wondering why anyone should even mention the PS4 at this point in the current generation's lifespan.
First of all, Sony has never wavered in their 10-year-span stance for the PS3. Now, the 10 years could include the inclusion of a new PlayStation console along with the continuance of the PS3, as they point towards the PS2's long-running lifespan (currently 2000 - 2009). This means we could feasibly see the PS4 in 2012 or something (6 years after the PS3's launch). However, while I certainly understand that the industry is constantly in "forward-thinking" mode, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, I really can't see any PS4-related articles gaining a lot of interest. The gaming media is awfully good at jumping the gun, but we've already seen rumored spec pieces regarding the next PlayStation, and we have to admit...that's pushing it. First of all, there are plenty of gamers out there who haven't made the leap to the PS3 yet, and secondly, every sign points towards a long run for the PS3 with no evidence of a PS4 coming "sooner than expected."
The economy sucks right now, Sony wants to continue to establish the PS3, and the defining software has only just recently begun to arrive. One could argue that it began with MGS4 in June of last year, and we'll take more steps with the likes of Killzone 2, God of War III, Gran Turismo 5, Heavy Rain, etc. The PS3 has a loooong ways to go, and if you step back and examine the situation from afar, you'll see the system sitting - perhaps not in its infancy stage - but certainly in its youthful, burgeoning stage. The PSN is rising, Home is here and I think we all agree that is in the infancy stages, and we're still awaiting the price drop that puts the machine at the "sweet spot" (so said one analyst). The PS3 remains one of the most talked-about systems in history so maybe it's inevitable that the PS4 will garner plenty of early attention, but let's not get that far ahead of ourselves.
It's a dangerously slippery slope. Before long, we'll start writing news articles about what might happen in 2058, all the while ignoring the press releases sitting in our inboxes. Let's just take it easy, people.
2/16/2009 Ben Dutka
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BigBoss4ever
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 12:56:54 PM
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Honestly, I am not that focusing on a new machine at this moment or at any moment. To me, it is always the software (the games) I care. At this very moment, the developers should focus on how to make a smooth transition from the PS2 developing frame to the PS3 developing frame and produce quality games to match up the PS3 power.
The PS3 is just about to truly flourish and Sony had a big loss by making the PS3 machine in order to move onto this generation. The PS3 market is just getting warmed up, if we or sony is thinking again to create a new machine, then on the software side, developers will never be able to catch up. Conversely, focusing on upgrading and perfecting the software and games are the top priority for ps3 or for any generation of consoles.
On the other hand, when the PS3 technology is again matured and out-dated, then moving onto the next generation i.e. PS4 is reasonable and necessary, but certainly not now.
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KING313
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 1:02:26 PM
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PANICinc
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 1:07:00 PM
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city96
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 1:09:09 PM
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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 1:14:49 PM
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Victor321
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 1:24:35 PM
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1. economy
2. wat microsoft said about the economy (lol) and that this gen would last longer than others (this is MS's 2nd generation but I do agree with them)
Therefore, I think sony should listen to them, although they are competitors.
And I just got my PS3 oct. 08 so If i wanted a PS4 i would want it in 2014-2015 (i kno im selfish but thats how i feel) cuz i want to spend my PS3 days as long as my PS2 days (6 years). and im 15, so i got a long life ahead of me...=)
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Victor321
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 1:26:44 PM
if it started out bad unintentionally, they start thrashing it (PS3) or if its good, they side with it and they say "oh i knew all along, ive been rooting for this day to come!", but they used to thrash it before (wii, and its non-HD capable graphics, not to mention, at that time, its weird motion controls)
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Tim Speed24
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 1:36:46 PM
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The PS3 has a long life yet..."Live in the Now!"
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The Stig
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 3:32:29 PM
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raztad
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 1:40:40 PM
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shaydey77
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 1:53:58 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 2:03:04 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 6:08:46 PM
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wano
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 7:29:55 PM
what u talkin about, of course it does... ;-)
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godsman
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 2:03:16 PM
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Tim Speed24
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 3:16:19 PM
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The Stig
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 3:35:55 PM
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Alienange
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 4:30:28 PM
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Dingodial
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 6:53:34 PM
He's talking about the original 80gb model that came with MGS4. It has the emulator although it doesn't have full b/c it can still play most PS2 games (unlike the current 80gb. model which doesn't)
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Gone
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 3:10:19 PM
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Tim Speed24
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 3:19:52 PM
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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 3:29:05 PM
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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 9:58:58 PM
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www
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 3:13:38 PM
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Someone tell me when FFXIII is comin',isn't maybe 2011 in EU? Talkin' about ps4 in 2012,huh...so what do we have,just ONE final fantasy for this gen? If so then i declare this gen,a BIG FLOP!
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raztad
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 6:52:38 PM
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BikerSaint
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 3:23:37 PM
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Besides, we're nowhere near even seeing all of it's raw power & full capabilities fufilled yet, hell I'll bet a lot more of what can be done still hasn't been realized yet either.
But when Sony does bring out the PS4, they had better heed the majority of it's gaming consumers, in our continuing loud united chant of.....
"BACKWARD CAPABILITY", "BACKWARD CAPABILITY"
(and for ALL of them too, the PS1, PS2, & the PS3)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ThugNificent101
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 3:28:45 PM
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Bandit King
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 3:29:48 PM
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Fabi
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 3:51:39 PM
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I don't believe Insomniac when they say they have tapped all of the PS3's power with Uncharted 2.
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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 8:26:17 PM
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Victor321
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 9:59:47 PM
Insomniac made the two resistance games, and ratchet and clank.
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Nynja
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 3:57:47 PM
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In conclusion, I would have to agree with Ben's article that it is too soon to discuss PS4. Stories about the PS4 only further hurt PS3 sales, similar to those about price cuts. That only keeps those sitting on the fence up there that much longer.
That doesn't mean I don't want to be the first to hear about the specs of the new console.
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isaya85
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 3:59:24 PM
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PSN ID Biggest_GMoney
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nath08
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 4:43:00 PM
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Alienange
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 4:51:41 PM
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Also as mentioned by Ben, the economy sucks. That alone will add two or three years to the 10 year plan. I for one believe that many more people want the PS3 but are holding back either because of the price and/or the hard times we're in right now. On top of that? As someone already mentioned, where's the games? We're only going to get ONE FF and ONE GoW? Yeah sure. Production cost are higher for this gen, cycles are longer for this gen, you can't compare it to the previous two.
This gen will last much longer. When the PS3 is fully saturated with amazing content, then, and only then, will we see a PS4. Talking about it now is a waste of good gaming time.
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Scarecrow
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 5:06:49 PM
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Seriously there's so much to be experienced.
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yamahar6
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 5:27:27 PM
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Cpt_Geez
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 5:46:55 PM
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PSN ID: V-Dizzo-F
who wanna get down in SFIV tommorow evening
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Sir Shak
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 6:32:17 PM
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wano
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 6:54:52 PM
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LCF
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 8:10:21 PM
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I say enjoy the consoles(if it's running) that you got now. You and all of us just might die tomorrow. So enjoy them if you got'em. You never know what you got till it's gone.
For me I fully utilize every aspect of my PS3. Games/movies/music/pictures/web surfing/PC with yellow dog OS. In 2015 I'll show more interest in the PS4's tech. The Cell is still years ahead of current chip design and will be for sometime.
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godsman
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 8:20:58 PM
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sabitrulz
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 8:28:47 PM
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too much of hype may b iz da main reason behind it..........so really waitin 4 da next gen consoles....
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Aftab
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 1:00:41 AM
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Daedusian
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 10:06:11 PM
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I had my PS3 for about a year and a half now and there is no way I want to exchange it for a new one.. even if it is 100 times better!
And hopefully the PS4 will be much like the PS3, a powerful gaming machine that can practically replace a PC, as well as having a nice/decent price tag. We want everyone to enjoy what Sony can produce without all of this fanboy nonsense, which undoubtedly caused this mess this gen (at least I think).
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Qubex
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 10:34:05 PM
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Don't get me wrong dudes, I have great affinity for the PS3; but I have always felt that Sony had to (and did in the end) cut corners. My gripe has been MEMORY predominantly... I think the Cell BD and RSX combination was (and still is for the most part) a powerful combination... and we all agree that we are only now beginning to see what the hardware can really do... but I will be honest here, I want more power... more memory and more power...
If Sony were to release a PS3 Advance - basically a compatible machine that simple doubles up on all this power... with more memory; I would gladly buy it... no question... If the PS4 came out next year I would buy it too...
Let's look at what we can all assume will be the likelyhood;
1] We know developers have taken a "hit" trying to develop for the PS3 *cough* Valve *cough*... we also know Sony (looking at the 10+ year plan) wants to make sure that any future generation of PS hardware is based on PPC tech; again to facilitate development and make it easier to essentially run games on both a standard PS3 and possible a PS3 (or PS4) advance model... it only makes sense...
2] On from point 1. I feel very strongly about this; and think I will be proven right; that any PS3 Advance system (or PS4 system) will likely stick to a next generation Cell... with more cores... a doubling of power to some degree...
3] I expect a new generation of RSX; however it is rumoured that Sony may go for an INTEL based GFX solution... I think Intel are moving into that space due to the fact the GPU's today are also being used for general purpose computations, not just GFX computations... super computers will be based on GPU tech in the future... I expect the GFX bandwidth and processing power on any updated PS3 or PS4 to permit 1080p output as stabdard without too much of an issue. No cutting corners because code is not highly optimised... like it is in Killzone 2... and still it is not running in HD!
4] Memory / Memory /Memory... the problem here is the limitations of memory and the slow speed at which the CPU and GPU have access to data stored in memory... I would be very surprised if the next PS is released with less than 1GB as standard... WHY, to permit real HD texturing and not the sudo smudgy (sometime non-crisp) texturing we see today... just walk up to some texture in COD and see what I mean... have to say Killzone 2 seems to do a better job at it... but still look blurry sometimes...
5] An upgraded BD drive... faster and with the capabilities playing different BD formats... I think new Panasonic format of 400GB is covered as far as I can tell and what I have read... but we have to have confirmation of this...
Basically that is it.. Memory being the most important upgrade followed by pure CPU and GPU grant...
I WISH Sony would release a PS3 Advanced... with double the power and double the memory... I would buy it tomorrow... and so would many people...
Q!
"i aM HoMe"
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End of line
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 10:57:39 PM
Ken Kuturagi always said he was basing the PS3 on updated SKUs but was always mum on the word if it meant updated hardware. If this was kept in mind in the design phase an upgrade could exist on paper somewhere. Also it should be of relative ease to retain full compatibility with current ps3 games if its on the same architecture.
Secondly they wouldnt be going back on their word of a 10 year life cycle and it would combat M$ should they try and sneak a revised 360 out of the gate as well (which god knows they will have to if popular opinion about it already maxing out is to be believed). If they did run with an advanced version the marketing would be a sinch as well.
EDIT: Going back to Ken, i just remembered him saying this console generation would be more like the PC and its upgradibility. If revised hardware editions are on the cards, perhaps this whole console generation approach to the console market may infact end. Food for thought huh.
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somethingrandom
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 12:52:22 AM
It's Pioneer with the 400GB Blu-ray. Also, Intel's first real attempt at graphics is coming around the end of '09. It will be a processor with two 32nm processor cores and one 45nm graphics core.
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Dingodial
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 8:42:02 AM
I agree with all your points above but I have something to add: Pioneer (not Panasonic) has already tested out its new 400gb. Blu-ray Disc and they claim that all the currently existing Blu-ray players can play it (that includes PS3). So in other words, PS3 won't need an upgraded Blu-ray Drive to play the 400gb. BD.
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Kryptoknight
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 12:10:47 AM
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somethingrandom
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 12:38:54 AM
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Banky A
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 12:44:40 AM
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Like console lighting can be a lot more dreamy than the Suns.
Games will never be real-looking anytime soon because it's not real light. But it definitely has better looking carpet than the one in my computer room ;)
Hah :P
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ceedot
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 1:07:50 AM
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Daedusian
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 10:14:39 AM
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orangpelupa
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 4:33:55 AM
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BTT
i dont care about PS4. even if ps4 came out im sure i will still play PS3. first time PS4 released will have "early-games". and early-games usually have so so normal A/V Quality.
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Randomhero1
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 7:31:35 AM
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cloudhead
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 9:53:19 AM
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Banky A
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 12:59:57 PM
Parasitism and scavengers of the current gaming industry ;)
=D
They're not as bad as parasites but you know.
Hah.
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Bottlecap
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 4:17:11 PM
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and noooo no one cars xbox 720 should be getting more attention because there ganna need thats 720 to compete with the ps3. am i lying?
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racingboy123
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 5:35:08 PM
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since blu-ray holds more space than DVD's gaming companies cant handle the change so theres not many games out
wait a couple of years and the ps3 game stock will be BOOMING
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NetheRealm
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 11:26:19 PM
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NetheRealm
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 @ 11:34:38 PM
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Zubs
Thursday, February 19, 2009 @ 1:00:03 AM
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Developers have stated on numerous occasions that in only 2011/2012 will they have pushed the PS3 to 80% of its potential.Sony and MS have realised that overly powerful hardware is not the key to sales and in turn profits(Cough...Wii).Yeah BlueRay is the standard for current and future hardware platforms,but the PS3 was over engineered and Sony needs to recover the Billions spent on R&D before they resort to any future console be it PS4 or whatever.
PS3 is here to stay until 2018 and the next console will only be a slight evolution as Sony has learnt a lesson on R&D viz powerhouse systems will take a backseat to creativity instead.Sony is a business and like any business,they in it for the money.PS3 will prove itself in the next few years,more and more developers are only starting to understand its architecture and how to code for it,and have realised they have only thus far scratched the surface of this powerhouse.
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Arvis
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Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 12:50:16 PM
Just giving you a hard time, Ben. =D
-Arvis