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Microsoft Should Stop Talking About The PlayStation 3

Look, we are well aware that when companies are in direct competition with one another (at least, in terms of one specific division), it's perfectly normal to expect each side to take potshots at the other. In fact, it's even expected. But we've noticed a trend in the past year or so, and we can't decide if it's due to fear on Microsoft's part, or just an unprofessional approach.

Xbox 360 product management director Aaron Greenberg had a lot to say recently, and too much of it revolved around the competition. We have to wonder if Gamasutra specifically asked him about Sony and the PlayStation 3, or if he just decided to lash out on his own. We're not going to quibble when it comes to statistics; he's certainly not making them up, and it's true that the 360 outperformed the PS3 in February. However, he also clearly hints at the "fact" that Killzone 2 didn't have any effect; that it didn't prove to be the system seller everyone thought it would be. ...well, there's a serious problem with that train of thought. Guerilla's gem didn't launch until February 27; the next-to-the-last day of the month, if you're not calendar-proficient. Now, we don't know of any gamers who ran out to buy a PS3 on Valentine's Day in anticipation of the game; it's far more likely that people would buy the PS3 and the game together, so it seems fair to assume that this month's statistics will be far more telling. Furthermore, he goes out of his way to say the PS3 business is "declining," which - based on full year stats that are actually relevant rather than one-month stats that mean nothing - is also completely inaccurate.

Using the example of the 62% decrease in PS2 sales to say Microsoft is luring past Sony fans over to the Xbox this generation is also a flawed maneuver. ...so, the people who didn't decide to buy a PS2 in February all bought a 360? Really? Now, a lot of you are going to say, "so what, Sony does the same thing!" Well, yes and no. We see Sony's press releases all the time, and we also see what their executives have to say in interviews on a daily basis. There's absolutely no doubt that they push their own products; they will say how the PS3 is worth the more expensive price tag; they will say the Network is on the rise; they will say the upcoming exclusives are going to be huge, etc, etc, etc. But we very rarely hear them say anything specific about Microsoft or the 360. Yes, they will push their own stuff until they're blue in the face, but attacking the competition doesn't appear to be part of the agenda. Obviously, it is for Microsoft.

We're certain they don't care, but here's some advice, Big MS: just quiet down. Do your own thing and make the gamers happy. Maybe you're scared that the PS3's upcoming exclusive lineup makes yours appear paltry by comparison, or maybe you're concerned about the whole Blu-Ray thing, or perhaps you don't want to admit that your beloved sales statistic does indeed include multiple console purchases by the same consumer...due to the 360's piss-poor reliability in the past. Who knows? But you should just stick to promoting your own products, which you're more than welcome to do. Please do leave Sony and the PS3 out of your rants unless prompted, m'kay?

3/19/2009 Ben Dutka

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Comments (152 posts)

Scarecrow
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:43:49 PM
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Microsoft is like FOX


And we all know what that means
ps3 is where it's at, the 360 is an OLD console, with old technology, a DVD drive that pops out...

Useless controller, designed ONLY with FPSs in mind.

Retarded BOX design, I mean lol it's like it was designed in such a way so that it would fry the whole thing on purpose. And that's what it does! haha

ps3 has Japan and Europe(at least most of it outside from the UK)

And I really don't remember what good games the 360 will have this year.

Halo Wars? Haven't we seen the same thing already?

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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:03:03 AM

"Microsoft is like FOX"

HhaHAahHAhahHAHhaHAhaHAHha

Lovely Stuff.

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rezenu
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:36:55 AM

Lol, Fox. xD

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rell
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:44:13 AM

@Scarecrow I agree with u, greenberg is sensing pressure from its competitions, why do u think he's so concern about ps3 sales me personally I think he's scare because he know what will happen if M$ shareholders don't be satisfy with the company dominating he will be out of a job.

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city96
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:22:54 PM

Yea the box curves in so all the heat is trapped on the sides causing the CPU and other stuff to overheat. What a dumb idiot! Only @ Microsoft.

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N a S a H
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 6:34:05 AM

IMO The 360 is a great console. I'm sure Ben would agree with me. It's hardly the 360's fault that its makers are saying all these things. It doesn't take away from the fact that it still has some great games.

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inkme101
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:46:34 PM
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right on!!!!!!!! screw you microsoft. m'kay? lol.

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SPS3
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:48:51 PM
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Well done Ben! MS is so unprofessional! If the gaming society knew the pros & cons of both systems, you could stick a fork in'em. MS would be DONE!!!!!!! Best nextgen experience yet to date on yours truly, PS3!!!!!

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ps92117
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:50:36 PM
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Maybe he should be worried about bringing some exclusives to the 360 instead of talking of ps3 sales, but that's just my opinion.

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city96
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:24:50 PM

Yea. You buy lots of games and one or two consoles! not the other way around where with the XBox yuo have to buy another one and another and another! RROD's FTW

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Zemus101
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:54:31 PM
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Excellent article Ben! It's so nice to be able to come to a site and read this, a site where the majority agree with me that Sony promotes itself (more often than not) and Microsoft just tries to call out the competition. This is the big reason i'm a Playstation fan and will stay that way, I would much rather have a system who's creator will keep on supporting new IPs and listen to the community (Home and the PS Blog are great examples)

Now, on an unproffesional note.. i want the 360 and 360 fanboys to be made a fool this year when ps3 outsells them :P

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Scarecrow
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:46:54 AM

They will piss themselves when God of War III and Uncharted 2 come out.


And then it will all be over when Gran Turismo 5 releases.

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SnipeySnake
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:06:20 PM

Lawl

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Deleted User
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:55:16 PM
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The Xbox fanboys are the same way. They spend more time yapping and spamming message boards and spreading their buyer's remorse on everybody instead of playing their supposedly beloved Xbox 360. Shouldn't they be spending their time actually playing their console if they think it's so great?

Microsoft is a joke. They build a poorly designed console, charge $60 CAN for an online service where people can be subjected to racial and sexist slurs from 12 year old boys, need to pay off every publisher, journalist and blogger to gain an advantage and failed to get those casual markets that Nintendo and Sony are catering to. Why should anyone take them seriously? They have been doing everything wrong since 2001.

Too many people read OXM and believe the garbage they spew.

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rezenu
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:39:42 AM

Lol, you're right. 360 fanboys are amazing. They spend their time spreading propaganda and yet they claim they have soooooo many games and they have this and they have that.

I've played plenty of games during the week-RE5, Street Fighter 4, some old school Onimusha, and started playing Ninja Gaiden Sigma again.

The games are coming for the PS3 and I am happy about that.

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JasperLoons
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:57:02 PM
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Aww Ben, this is why I visit this site. Your articles make me happy.

"Yes, they will push their own stuff until they're blue in the face, but attacking the competition doesn't appear to be part of the agenda."

Truer words were never spoken.

"Maybe you're scared that the PS3's upcoming exclusive lineup makes yours appear paltry by comparison, or maybe you're concerned about the whole Blu-Ray thing"

They must be absolutely terrified. I like the 360 just fine, but I don't think I have ever looked forward to a coming years video games so much.
As for the blu-ray thing, anyone watch G4? Seen Morgan's rant about how Microsoft was "looking to the future" by not going blu-ray? Made me want to vomit.

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Deleted User
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:02:35 PM

Morgan Webb has no business hosting a video game show any more. Regardless of her intelligence, she's only on X-Play because she's T&A. Nobody cares about her views, they just care about her overrated looks.

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rell
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:05:26 AM

@JasperLoons I'm with u its not the 360 fault its M$ game studios who is ruining the 360 experience, that wat made me left 360 alone because of this constant bashing. Like I said before greenberd is showing to much concern for ps3. He didn't talk much of what the 360 has to offer this year. M$ need to go back to the drawing board and learn how to invest in first party titles instead of third party. Buying third party exclusive tell me that M$ isn't confident in there own product. Sony has become a little more humble now.

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Tatsujin
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:03:35 PM
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The Few, The Proud, The... PS3 Owners? Nothing really goes with that other than the Marines :P. Anywho, after this generation and the whole flop of X360 failures, I will never buy a single Microsoft console. PC games are great, PS3 games are great, 360 games are great but... bad reliablitiy and the lack to acknowledge how great Sony's line-up is just goes to show how weak they are. I really hate people who think the system they have is the better console, because theyre all the same up to a certain extent.. but who takes the lead when that extent comes in?
PS3 Blu-Ray and exclusives... Xbox's... Live? Wait, Ive heard that too many times... Ive also heard how great the PSN is, not as good as Live but pretty damn good... SO who really wins in that extent? Yea, Sony's PS3.

People are just too stubborn to see that they get more for their dollar with the PS3. Not to mention, a one time buy... not a 3 or 4 time buy (RRoD)

Just sayin, Microsoft sure does talk a lot of sh** but they never seem to have anything to back it up other than Live and Console sales that are probably faulty due to the RRoD anyways... Game Over?

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kb8mvp81
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:04:38 PM
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wii is the best console out right now with good graphics and good excercising design

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wano
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:47:52 AM

ha ha, nice one.

side splitting comedy

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Alienange
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:19:14 AM

You fail. My treadmill is the best designed exercise machine.

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SnipeySnake
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:14:22 PM

Man, if you get a game you really like for wii. Your going to be playing for hours just swinging again and again. When you get home sometimes your tired and you want to just settel down and play a game. The wii sucks in both hardware and controls. Are you like 8?

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Zemus101
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:09:09 PM
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@kb8mvwhatever

lmao

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jdt1981
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:09:21 PM
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Yeah M$ needs to develop some class and quit attacking Sony every chance they get and start worrying about their own issues. M'kay.... With a console that has the worst fail rate of all time, a 2009 exclusive games lineup that isn't anywhere near as good as the PS3's and the fact that their console's hardware is already starting to look dated when you compare 360 games to PS3 games like KZ2, MGS4 and Uncharted M$ has enough problems in their own house to discuss.

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NoSmokingBandit
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:09:35 PM
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This is why i love Japanese companies. They have a completely different business model that is focuses on selling items based on their own merit, not the pitfalls of the competition. The PS3 stands on its own, it doesnt need to be compared to the 360 to know that it is awesome. The 360 must have a complex about the rrod issue so it picks on the minor flaws of everyone else, like the bullies in middle school that nobody liked.

MS just doesnt have anything good to say about the 360. Its quite obvious or they would be firing up the old hype machine and causing 13 year old boys everywhere to shake with excitement over whatever game they are going to stamp "halo" on next. Sony doesnt need to talk smack about MS because they have enough awesome stuff to say about the ps3 that they cant find time to even mention rrod.

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AshT
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:11:19 PM
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Good one Ben.... Aaron Greenberg is a dumbass

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Deleted User
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:45:07 PM

Microsoft has a history of hiring idiots as PR men. How about when Jeff Bell called hardcore gamers "losers"? Ummm, isn't that what Microsoft's userbase allegedly consists of?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:42:08 AM

Let's not be calling people names, okay?

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ThugNificent101
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:50:26 PM
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Completely agree.

I just went to some sites a couple hours prior to reading this and saw a couple articles about what Aaron Greenberg had to say about the PS3, and i thought it was a complete waste of space that said very little. The statistics were the most informative out of everything said...

I really dont think the 360 to be a bad console but its these kinds of things that drive me further away from the system.
And really... they feel that great about out selling Sonys PS3 when the PS3 is twice the 360's cost? I would think they should have at least double the competitions sales to start boasting.

This is the main reason i cant wait for a price drop for the PS3. To shut Microsoft up!

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TheUglyBassist
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:05:50 AM
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Yea, I can't imagine what their so pompous about. If I were them I'd be more concerned with improving upon my own products. I really dislike Microsoft. Which is, more or less, why I don't have a 360. Between that, the reliability (is this an issue with the new 360s?), and MGS4 the PS3 was the way to go for me.



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shindelion
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:06:57 AM
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Very true Ben, if anything Sony will say "our competitors" not giving any specific names.

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karneli lll
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:17:38 AM
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ms is just worried coz they have no game to counter uncharted 2 and GoW 3. Honestly, how long will the halo smoke stay in the room.


And here's Sony's repair service; my ps3 is arriving on tuesday (six days after i mailed it)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:00:56 AM

Kratos' blades will finish that busted machine off.

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crawdaddy
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:32:01 AM

Oh! Did you have to get your PS3 repaired? I have been hearing so much about how they do not fail. B.S. Mine is bricked too along with thousands of others. Also the reason you are getting it back in 6 days is because they are sending you a different one that they have already repaired that someone else sent in that was crashed. They cycle repaired systems. They are called refurbished. Gee, where do you think they get all these? Could it be because they have such a high crash rate? Come on people, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

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pillz81
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:25:45 PM

Wake white peoples! Ha! Stop Stickin' in our craw Crawdaddy. RRAAHH!

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ImTheMan
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:19:35 AM
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Awww ben now why did you have to go and get these guys all riled up?

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jaybiv
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:20:42 AM
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That's the route taken by folks who know they have an inferior product offering. Keep talking down on your competition and hope the clueless masses believe you.

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Fatcat3788
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:31:18 AM
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I remember a comment from Sony, once saying something in the lines of, "You can only push so far with shoddy hardware" Now the point here is... There were no fingers pointed but the sad part is that Kotaku made the article in question seem like they were pointing it directly at Microsoft. I don't doubt that they had Microsoft in mind, but don't you think that it's kinda obvious when someone mentions "shoddy hardware" and everyone immediately thinks a "certain" console?

In any case I like to think of it in terms of userbase statistics. Which in turn makes it a somewhat smart move on Microsoft's part. If we look at the userbase of each system owner... Microsoft's largest userbase is that of 10-15 year olds. From my experiences on a number of websites, these same aged kids are obviously what make up the stereotypical "fanboy" (and yes there are some on both sides) So whenever a Microsoft PR makes an accusation or an insult it fuels the ongoing "flame war" of said system. This in turn makes every single one of these people basically give Microsoft free publicity. After all, what good is news if it is all peace in love?

From my standpoint I actually don't condone this behaviour. I feel whenever they pull crap like this they are just presenting themselves as the very same people they are catering to. Which let's me feel pleased to be on Sony's side. In any case, my experiences online both on an Xbox and a PS3 have made me feel a certain way. I feel Sony has a more mature userbase than the Xbox userbase. Which definately seals my choice on which console I prefer. I also feel that in terms of being professional, Sony has the advantage which makes my purchase of said system of choice more than a good buy. It makes me feel like they deserve my purchase.

In my view it's Game: Set: Match.
END

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FeyeR
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:46:24 AM
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lets not forget that the 3 year warrenties of most of the first xbox's ran out, so many of those xbox's sold from now on are bound to be pre-360-owners.

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NightHawk17
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:05:04 AM
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This guy is seriously a tool i wanna punch him in the jeans, you rarely see Sony hound MS, but every time MS says something about SONY it's always negative i honestly believe that they're scared and desperate

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:06:35 AM
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Okay so here's something new other than just agreeing with Ben (which I do): Why in all these interviews does Microsoft and the 360 automatically get a pass? Why isn't anyone bringing up the issues everyone has brought up here, multiple purchases, reliability, reliance on only Gears and Halo, the fact that the system is maxed out already? Where is the journalism? Where is the "Hardball" of game discussion? It sickens me that they get a pass and basically are allowed to give a stump speech everytime they are interviewed.

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Sir Shak
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:14:20 AM

Because it's an american company .

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Alienange
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:40:52 AM

Oh snap!

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BIG_E
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:56:38 AM
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Ben I said this a long time ago MS
shows fare.
They know when the small lead in sales is lost they lose.

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crump602
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:59:09 AM
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MS is basiclly tryin to buy the respect of gamers and tryin TOO hard to be the "cool" kid on the block! MS wants so badly to be at the level that Sony and the Playstattion brand is at right now.
They pretty much been playin catch-up after the PS2 came out , but I'll tell u guys one thing, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL MS GUNNA GET THE RESPECT SONY GETS FROM DEV. & PUB. IN ITS 16+YRS IN THE BUSINESS!!!!!! Thats the only thing MS CANNOT BUY!

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sonic
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:59:18 AM
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ps3

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OriginalSin
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:05:48 AM
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Well I try my best not to be a PS fanboy. But sometimes it's hard especially when ''others'' have a go at me by saying crap like that. I have this one friend that owns an Xbox (yeah that's right out of about 20 of my gaming buddies only 1 owns a Xbox... okay 2 of them but the 1 doesn't have a PS3) Anyway he always has a go at me saying how crap the games are, how there are no games and the usual old crap.

I always try my best not to get upset with him or people like him but I started realizing that he was just jealous and that's all. plus he was so uninformed it wasn't even funny.

You see he went to buy his first Xbox about a month before the PS3 launched in my country. Then I bought my PS3 on launch day. High price but with BC. He bragged and went on and on saying how bad the PS3 is and how the Xbox kicks ass. In all honesty those first couple of months I could really argue with him as the PS3 struggled as we all know.The only real draw card I had was Blu Ray . But then in reply he had ''.... well were getting HD DVD which is better...'' Blah blah F***** Blah.

So a couple of months passed, and when I saw him again he had a Black 360 (Elite) and not the other one he had first. So I asked him what happened. He said he ''upgraded''... Yeah right I think we all know what happened there as well. But I never said anything.

But here is the fun part. As the days went by the PS3 actually started getting their s*** together.The PS3 ports started getting better. Blu Ray owned HD DVD.... I smile. And the games start coming and coming and coming.

And I would say the final nail for him was when MGS4 came out. He was a very ,very big MGS fan believe it or not. But he was convinced Sony will loose it as an exclusive and it will be coming to the 360. So I got my copy played it... he waited.... I played it... He waited... I played it...He waited. Think you get the idea.

When he actually saw the game running on my brand new HDTV I could honestly say I saw tears in his eyes. Then on that day he actually realized our network was FREE and that I could do EVERYTHING he can do and more with my machine. just to rub some salt in it we watched a Blu Ray just before he left.

Since then the exclusives just kept on rolling in. Sure I was impressed with Gears 2, and I even enjoyed playing Fable a bit when I was at his place. But somehow it just never lived up to anything we have (except for Gears as I would have loved to have that on PS3).

But lately he has actually stopped ranting about how ''crap'' the PS3 is. I think it's because he has NOTHING left to say. Sure we lost some exclusives (GTA, FFXIII).But so did they.We got so many in return (MGS4,LBP, Resistance 2, Motorstorm, Uncharted: Among Thieves, GOW3,KZ2,GT5,Heavy Rain and the list keeps growing)

So at the end of the day I couldn't care less about MS ranting or any other Xbox Fanboy going off to his heart's content. I just let them have their 10 sec in the spotlight. I KNOW they actually have nothing on us. I think MS is starting to panic. The PS3 has a 10 year plan. And it's pretty clear it will go all the way and even beyond that 10 year plan.

If the new xbox comes out anytime soon I would have felt cheated as a consumer. Why did I have to buy a Gaming console just to buy the new version so soon after buying the first one...second one...third one... and finally the one they have no hoping it doesn't explode?

On the other hand can they leave the 360 up against the PS3 for another 6 years without a serious upgrade of sorts and still compete? No Blu Ray no HD DVD....? I don't know, and I'm not in a position to say either.

Don't get me wrong I don't hate the 360 or the Xbots, I would buy a 360 so I can play some of their Stellar exclusives. But I WILL NOT BUY ONE until I'm 100% sure it will not die on me more than once, or at all for that matter.

I might just ride it out and wait for MS next big console that might offer me something I worth while but right now they have nothing I desire... Gears series maybe.... Halo? hahahaha. We have Resistance and KILLZONE now. B-i-a-t-c-h-e-s. They have Fonza...sweet, but GT is on the way. You get my drift right.

Sorry for the long comment and all the ''ranting'' from my side. But I just had to voice my opinion. Sure there will be people that will disagree with me and that's fine. But I think there will be a lot more people that will agree with me thou.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:55:40 AM

Read the whole thing! Nice story and thanks for the paragraphs.

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Qubex
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:05:54 AM

Great read OriginalSin... thanks for the effort here!

Q!

"i am home"

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cazzy07
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:09:20 AM

wow man that was flippin long.i agree with ya especially bout the xbots hatin on the ps3 bcause there jealous.just like you i have a xbot for a friend s*** u could say were brothers.he constantly ripped on the ps3,then one day mgs4 comes out and he caved bought one a week later *********** anyways i think this is gonna happen on global scale people switching to the ps3 its already happening.the ps3 rocks out with its **** out.

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Banky A
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:29:26 AM

That's wonderful!

;)

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 9:41:30 AM

@Cazzy07: Please don't do that crap where you try to dodge the content filters. We are really lax about language around here, but if you try to do that again I'm just going to delete your message. Kapeesh?

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NiteKrawler
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:30:49 PM

Nice job. It's like two editorials in one. Loved the story.

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Acehiroku
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:11:37 AM
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Umm, Does this interview even has a point ? All the Sony bashing aside, what did that MS PR said about his own company ? Nothing ! He also nitpick about PS2 sales went down 62% ? WTF ? For all we know, PS2 is printing money right now. It's a 10 years old console, what do you expect ? I don't see Xbox still selling or even mentioned at all, yeah because why ? Because it's dead. It's this kind of low level of intelligence that really pisses me off. Worry about the state of your own product and stop spouting bullshit everytime you got a chance. This fat dude just made my day, no Xbox360 related product will ever get my money, period.

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OriginalSin
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:12:11 AM
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Holy Crap.... Sorry really didn't realize my last post was THAT long. My Bad.

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Arvis
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:16:11 PM

Hey, we all loved it dude. Well... those of us that read the whole essay! =D

-Arvis

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THEVERDIN
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:17:23 AM
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Maybe they should try to make some products that actually work for more 7 months.

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DIsmael85
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:31:37 AM
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This is probably why Bill Gates left the damn company, probably to much stress from his hired goons. MS really does like to ride the arrogant train and tried it's best to be the Macho American company. Probably why I see lots of *racial stereotypes* coming into my store buying the POS. I actually had a run-in today with a customer who was complaining that he couldnt put his stuff from a 20GB Harddrive to a 60GB harddrive, because his Xbox 360 broke on him. I interupted him and asked him "Look do you know how to make this situation better for you my friend?" and he was like "How?" I told him, "Buy a damn PS3, that way you can upgrade the harddrive to whatever you want, and you get stop annoying me with your lame excuses." Yes I told a customer this. He was all like "Well I cant afford one, and I told him "Not my Problem, I enjoy mine very much." Check this out, he wanted to buy another Xbox 360, so I made him wait about 30 minutes while I helped out everyone else before I went and got his crummy machine. Im sure him and his friend were talking ill about me after they left, but whatever. They caught me at a bad moment. See how I don't do that MS crap at my Gamestop. Sorry to sound like a fanboy, but PS3 ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!! :P

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:01:55 AM

Props dude, who can afford to replace a 360 every few months but can't afford a PS3 ONCE!?

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pillz81
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:43:17 PM

It is obvious that they don't understand the concept of saving to buy too well.

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piratedrunk
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 3:40:50 PM

It is customer service like that.. that makes me not shop there. I am not a huge fan of my 360.. but seriously you should be fired.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:59:47 AM
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360 reliability=Windows Vista reliability

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killzone100
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:31:11 AM

HA, Vista is full of bugs and glitches. Kinda like the xbox.

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fame_in_game
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 4:30:57 PM

im sorry but vista sucks...im using it right now

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 2:00:54 PM

Dont be sorry, u proved my point.

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Qubex
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:17:41 AM
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You know... this might seem extreme guys, but really the RROD tragedy is like the "Financial Banking Crisis" of sorts. M$ has such deep pockets that they did and could "write-off" 2-3 billion in replacement costs and support services...

Think about this... writing off of 2-3 billion - this is a huge huge sum of money... any decent independent hardware maker would have gone to the wall... and the market would have punished them severely. Yet Xbots do not take M$ to task for their frustrations, delays and replacements... sometimes up to 3 consoles to finally get one that lasts...

I mean, it is almost criminal if you are looking purely from a product quality perspective... Sony has pride at least, unbelievable... you want to give that dude a mirror to look into and say, "Man take the f******* log out of your own console, before you try and take a stick out of the PS3"... the stats are horrific...

It is only because M$ is in such a dominating world-wide position that they can make mistakes after mistakes... print more money and continue...

My worry is that if they actually get it right... 3rd time lucky... Sony may have a very difficult time... they just keep on printing... the "octopus effect"...

Q!

"i am home"

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aaronisbla
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:31:27 AM
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Me thinks this guy is showing the same arrogance that some sony guys displayed at the start of this gen and we know how bad that turned out.

Gotta love how he used Feb whe it came to comparing killzone 2....which was only out for 2 days in feb but sold well over 300,000 copies in that month alone.

did he really compare a DLC title to it? wow

Would have been cool if he pointed out all of the great exclusive games coming out for the 360 for 2009...............
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Dooby_Scooby
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:56:57 AM
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Ben,

Unfortunately this is nothing new. This is and has been Microsoft's strategy in regards to any and all competition.

http://www.microsoft.com/canada/getthefacts/default.mspx

" The get the facts " Campaign that Microsoft has been running for about 5 years.

Its called FUD, Fear uncertainty and Doubt. They even pay people to come onto forums and bad mouth the competition.

http://digg.com/microsoft/Microsoft_Shill_Admits_to_Having_Over_200_Fake_Accounts

Unfortunately when you have the sort of Money MS has anything is possible. Some of the 360 rabid fans that jump around are actually paid, kind of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth thinking about it..

Sony are Japanese, it goes against the Japanese honour system to bad mouth your competition - generally speaking..

I am not implying that all Americans are bad, just that Microsoft has no honour as a company they dont care about bad mouthing the competition, even if they have to make up stuff.

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ceedot
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 4:05:44 AM
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Microsoft is like TNA and Sony like WWE. Sony doesn't even acknowledge microsoft, and that's why they look so much better.

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Deleted User
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 9:19:26 AM

Yeah, I don't blame the WWE for not wanting to talk about other organizations. Ring Of Honor, New Japan Wrestling, All Japan Wrestling, Pro Wrestling NOAH, all the other Japanese federations, all the wrestling federations in Europe and TNA Wrestling feature actual professional wrestling. The WWE features steroid cases rolling around in a ring in a homoerotic manner in the guise of "sports entertainment".

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Deathstriker
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:09:46 AM
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/clap
/slap Microsoft
/pickupcontroller
/play kz2
/:D

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HOODGE
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:25:53 AM
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There goes Microsoft with their mouths again. Man would I ever like to meet with this guy in person to give him a piece of my mind. Ben awesome article. Hope that Aaron dude comes across it. Would be awesome to see Microsoft get their asses sued once and for all for all the lies and deceit they have given to their fanbase just with the RROD problem. I remember an article a year back when one of their manufacturing boys spoke out publicly about the RROD problem and a day later his ass was fired. That's Microsoft. "SSSSHHHHH we can't tell our customers the truth. That would destroy our crappy business model!" Bunch of foxes is right, or should I say Weisels. Oh well not to worry, in less than 2 years Microcrap will put out another piece of amazing garbage and force everyone to beleive and buy it as the most amazing product everyone. These guys are like cianide poison. Then like the original Xbox the support for 360 will be done and people will be forced once again. I'm one of those such ones as well. I'am a microsoft supporter as I've bought both original and 360 machines. 2 360's for that matter. But my real loyalty and love is for everything Playstation. Sony is about quality. Microsoft is about lies, diceipt, and go out and buy it or you're a traitor. If not for once game franchise this generation on 360, I would of sold my 360 junk a long time ago. Other than that one title, my time is spent soley on PS3. Horrible what Greenberg said about Killzone. He's just jealous and scared out of his shorts. I actually think he's embarrased that the 360 could come no where close to being able to run that game. The friggin machine would blow up like a stick of dynamite just within the first minute of trying to run Killzone 2. You know how some of you have said once Uncharted 2 and GOW3 is gonna be game over for Microsoft? With KZ2 that theory is already is already taken place. Everytime I put KZ2 in my machine and boot it up, it makes me quiver in my boots and shake. It sends a tingle up my spine. Lets just say its ORGASMIC! And then how it runs lag free with all 32 people and all those explosions and particle effects and bullets wizzing buy your head is a sight to behold. And no not even the SO CALLED LIVE with its shared server base could manage to run that game. Theres still a few people in here that said in their post that Live is still a little better. Disagree on that one. Maybe voice messaging and on the fly game inviting, but NOT online performance. You know how much lag you would get on Live if they had a 32 person shooter like KZ2 running on it. Halo and Gears of War 2 are garbage enough and thats with a dozen players. I do also own those games so I know what I'm saying. Plus I have a dam fast 16 meg internet provider. I don't remember when I've seen the faintest lag in KZ2, let alone the likes of Resistance 1 and 2, Warhawk, and Motostorm. Nope Playstation 3 and playstation network is a far superior product in performance and Value. It really can't be compared to Microsoft products. Like the Wii, I feel Sony is in direct competition with no one. It really is in it's own Niche when you compare the quality of the machine, it's games, it's technology and for that matter its business practice. I remember during last years E3 conference, Sony not once using Microsoft's name or Nintendo's during the press conference. They said, "Our competitors." Now that's professional. Where as when I watched Microsofts and even Nintendo's, they used Sony's name directly. Especially Microsoft. All hype with nothing to back it up. "We have the most amazing exclusive lineup". Hmm what was that for last year. Oh ya Gears 2 and Final Fantasy, and ya even Resident Evil 5. And I remember him saying, "Our exclusive lineup is unparallel with our competitors. It's simply the best." What a joke..Hmm FF and RE5 is exclusive. Lol's. Ummm you got one out of 3 right douche bag if you just said Gears 2. That's Microsoft in a nutshell. LIES AND DICEIPT! Nothing else. Oh well i've said a lot in this post, but like many of you have said, Microsoft's respect level with many of us is dwindling as fast as their machines blow up. Oh ya their was one person who asked whether the new 360 sku's have solved the RROD problem that Microsoft claims it has solved. The answer is No! I know of a handfull of people that have experienced the problem with the new chipset and have said the machine is even louder than what is was before and the new cheaper Dvd drive they have put in to get the cost lower has the ability to burn out really fast. My bud on there has had his 199 arcade machine for 4 months and has already phoned for repair and to get his refurbished machine. Still waiting after 4 weeks for it too. Great Microsoft service and just more lies. Well I feel better now to put out this post. Hope a lot of you can add to this and also agree with what I have said. Just have one more thing to say to anyone at Microsoft or Aaron doucheberg directly, "SHUT YOUR MOUTHS AND IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TRUTHFUL TO SAY WITH EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOU'RE CLAIMS, DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. IF YOU WEREN'T SCARED SHITLESS OF SONY AND IT'S SUPERIOR PRODUCTS, YOU WOULDN'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. JUST LIKE SONY DOESN'T BASH YOU, DO THE SAME ONTO THEM OR OTHERS YOURSELF!!!!" Enough said....

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 9:42:46 AM

No one is going to read something that long unless it's split into paragraphs. It's almost impossible to read and hurts my eyes.

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pillz81
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:50:30 PM

I just skimmed and it was still too long for a skim.

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slayerkillemall
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:36:32 AM
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@hoodge:,dude,i agree with you,but for the love of pete,use paragraphs...(i need an aspirin lol)

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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:38:05 AM
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I'll be honest, i didnt read it lol

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JofaMang
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:00:15 AM

Ditto, scroll wheel ftw~

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Naga
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:17:26 AM

Pushing the right stick to scroll down ftw!!

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Woochow
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:38:13 AM
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Hello everyone, I'm a new usere here, but have been reading this informative site for some time and felt the need to comment on this thread...

I work for Sony(as an artist), and am the first to admit that when I joined the team, I was a 360 owner who viewed the PS3 as an expensive console with few games worth the asking price.

Since working for Sony, I have been given a few games for PS3, and of course I couldn't play them!! Grrr.

So, eventualy, I bought my PS3, with Mirrors Edge and Resistance 2......what can I say? A console that makes no noise when playing games or movies, that looks great in my AV rack, that lets me browse the web, that has FREE online play, that is VERY customisable, that has the best exclusives coming this year....God! - it goes on!!!

I have suffered the RROD 3 times! I'm an avid Halo (CE) fan, never liked GoW, and what else is there on the system?...erm...

Luckily, I'm 'in the know' with the exclusives that are coming the PS3's way....what can I say to cement what you guys already know, the 360, is considered a 'last gen' console among most devs, the PS3 is the future, we just don't know what MS will do next, but the Halo franchise can only go so far...forget that. We have SO MANY great titles coming the PS3's way, so many original IP's that anyone who considers themselves a true gamer would be stupid to ignore.

Am I bias working for Sony? Well...in my interview for the job, I made it clear I was a 360 fan, and that I loved Halo CE. My views have changed. I played Uncharted and loved it. I played Resistance 1 and 2 and loved them. I played Valkyria and it's my favourite game ever! I'm now playing MGS4, and I can't believe the production values, not to mention the awesomeness that is the game.

And for the record, I think Killzone 2 sucks. Evedn though I have friends who worked on it...I hate it and think it is an emotionless cardboard cut out of an FPS...but that's just my opinion, please don't flame me for it - I prefere Resistance 2 - awesome game! :-)

Sorry for the long post, my first here.

- Woochow


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Sir Shak
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:33:30 AM

Welcome . :)
But maybe you should give Killzone 2 another try , it's not about the story, it's about the chaos around you .

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Alienange
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:25:17 AM

Sony devs even hire 360 fans. Goes to show how un-biased they are. Nice one!
One thing: GoW is a PS2 exclusive that kicks major butt. Use GeoW or Gears. I'm not the authority on the matter, I'm just saying.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 10:24:04 AM

Welcome, good to have a professional aboard. :)

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JofaMang
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:17:49 AM

My wife is a Sony loyalist, and a great admirer of the exclusives technical merits, but she can't find a compelling reason to play KZ2. She admits its graphically stunning, but her playtime turned her off of it.

Didn't stop me from getting my top 1% Trophy last week. To each their own! With the PS3, diverse tastes can still be treated their favourite flavours; anyone who loves games can find great joy in the ps3 in one corner or another.

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NiteKrawler
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:39:18 PM

Welcome Woochow. Can you tell us what some of the games you've worked on are?

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Belazor
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:45:05 PM

If your post is real, you, sir/ma'am, have just made my weekend.

Nothing really more to say, already with the lineup I'm looking forward to did I know I made the right choice when I bought my Xbox360 fangirl friend's 60GB PS3 (UK) 2nd hand, and now you're saying there's even more win in stock.

Thank you, and welcome to PSXExtreme :)

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Acehiroku
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:47:32 AM
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@ HOODGE
Hehehe, chillax dude. A lot of people feel the same way as you do, just don't be tempted to spend money on any of 360 products again and don't encourage your friends or other people as well. Hey, if we wanna make our stand, gotta start with ourselves first, right ? Peace out !

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fatelementality
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:34:08 AM
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Just to let everyone know, I'm on my 5th (yes 5th) 360. They have all been replaced for free by Microsoft though. If I ever had to buy another, I wouldn't. Well, unless by some non existent chance that there would be an exclusive MG title.

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crawdaddy
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 9:12:22 AM

Bricked systems replaced for free, 5 of them for one person. Sony should take note, and replace bricked systems, because it is their design that caused failure. It does not matter how many bricked systems either company has. It is how they handle replacing them, and at least Microsoft is doing that. Sony will not exept in their 1 year warranty. I beleive Microsoft has a 3 year warranty.

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JofaMang
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:10:06 AM

Out of the 50+ people on my PSN friends list, I have only heard of 1 experiencing a bricked PS3, and it was from a power outage during firmware updating. It was replaced on the spot under his extended warranty at future shop.

Of the 15+ Xbox owners I know personally, every single one has had at least one failure, with a couple at 5 and counting.

Admittedly anecdotal evidence at best over the internet, but all the proof "I" need to cement my choice, and brand loyalty.

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pillz81
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:54:46 PM

"I beleive Microsoft has a 3 year warranty. "
I believe so too.

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The Stig
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 3:11:41 PM

Up until a few weeks ago Sony (UK) were replacing original 60Gb models for free. But now you have to pay £150 for a replacement.

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isaya85
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:24:20 AM
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I wonder what Sony got to say about all this I know they got some kind of answer to this Greenburg guy, I guess we'll find out at GDC

PSN ID Biggest_GMoney

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rezenu
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:33:08 AM
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And BOOM! There goes the dynamite.

Thank you for this article. Microsoft's arrogance is truly astounding. They keep it up and sooner or later they will end up in Sony's position.

They care nothing about their fans or the people who buy their systems. All they care about is marketshare.

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Mornelithe
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:34:57 AM
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@ Creepypete - Which pounding? The one they've delivered the past 3 weeks running in Japan?

*chuckle*


Morne

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Orvisman
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 4:42:32 PM

Who?

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Sir Shak
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:39:15 AM
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This argument that Microsoft brings up every month is flawed in itself . If sales were better than quality , then Wii Fit is pissing all over Microsoft's face .

The fact is that the PS3 is a premium product with premium quality software . As I said before, we are gamers , we like to play games , not count them .

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coldbore
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:43:35 AM
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well its microsoft, they always play dirty, friggen Bill Gates is the biggest nerd ever! but thats how he makes his buisness i geuss, showing how bad other companies are...sigh

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CH1N00K
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:13:01 AM
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Ben,

You guys must have weeded out all the bad X-box fanboys off this site, I was expecting a lot more criticism from the MS side for this article then there are. Usually an article like this stirs up the hornets nest a bit..Kind of disappointing really, no one has been deleted...lol!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 10:45:34 AM

I knew they'd finally get the hint. ;)

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Gone
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:21:21 AM
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I doubt anyone smart will buy the next Xbox right when it comes out. Microsoft will probably do away with the red lights on the console, that's their solution to fixing RROD.

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rell
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:29:18 AM
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Why do I get the feeling that M$ will get real desperate and lower the 360. I don't trust M$ after Kz2 launch this console war has tooking a turn for the worst. E3 is going to be crazy.

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Masterofallz
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 6:56:43 PM

Lmao, yeah. I can imagine Microsoft's E3.

"Now today we have... uh... What exclusives do we have again?"

:)

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LegioN
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:38:07 AM
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I guess MSs state of mind is that offense is the best defence. Clearly it's not working though. This year will probbaly end up being more lucrative for sony than the last provided GOWIII comes our way. And in all honesty, i have no idea what Xbox has coming as far as exclusives go.

Next thing you know they'll be crashing Sonys press conference at E3. It's bad enough as it is.

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Alienange
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:41:11 AM
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Has mouthing off about the competition ever gotten a company ahead? It's business, not politics.

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PSNclaw18
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:43:27 AM
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Folks, yeah it's dirty business when M$ bashes Sony like they do BUT, Sony needs to fire back with a response. NOT for us the Sony faithful, but for the casual consumer that isn't aware of the PS brand. Those consumers are the dollars that Sony needs to become profitable (again).

If I were an average joe and not a gamer, I see lack of advertising from Sony hyping up games/their system and Sony NOT defending itself to the public eye.

I just want Sony to smack M$ and Greenberg in the mouth...and advertise! Let everyone know (not just gamers that already know) that the PS brand is superior to the Xbox brand and that it is seriously next-gen/future proof.

How frustrating!!!!!!!

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Masterofallz
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 7:25:00 PM

YES! THANK YOU!

I am so tired of Sony getting bullied by all of these companies. (Microsoft, Activision, Valve, etc.) Sony really needs to start firing back.

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raztad
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:54:50 AM
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Well put article Ben, congrats. I think MS is scared, and the fat guy is the one that couldnt say anything about MS lineup for this year.

KZ2 IS a system seller, at least for me (and that is what really matter BTW :D) my PS3 is one of these 270K units. I purchased it only to be ready for KZ2, BUT I didnt buy KZ2 till one week after release so my copy is not one of those 320K.

I am very pleased about PS3 numbers. Yes I am, those numbers are even beating expectations by a good margin. They show that KZ2 had some real effect even if it was at retail for only 2 days last moth, why? because cheapest PS3 is DOUBLE price that cheapest 360, and we are in economic downturn so many people settle for the cheapest. If you put Europe into the picture (dont forget Europe has been crazy about KZ2) and Japan, is easy to forecast an extremely good month for SONY.

SONY clearly knows there are a LOT of new potential costumers waiting for a price drop, but they are playing THEIR game (very successfully IMO) and the price cut will come as soon as POSSIBLE.

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Fenrir
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 9:33:46 AM
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MS s lowering the price again. Well, so the X360 comes again closer to its true value - zero!

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Gone
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 10:14:21 AM
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New problem for Xlax owners, E74 error.

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whooka
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 10:50:26 AM
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MS as well as the 360fanboy crowd are indeed very much like FOX and the republicans, both who know when you can't win an argument based on facts you just run with negative campaigning agaist the competition which their base dogmatically feeds into. It's like trying to have a rational conversation with an evangelist (who coincidentally make up a large part of the republican base). You know they aren't listening to you and then they just counter with some talking point or say it's true because 'it's in the bible'.

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Naga
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:01:32 AM
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Man Greenberg every interview you trash Sony what is wrong with you poor American soul sadly depending on Guns to make an great Xbox experience in truth the experience is horrible Warhawk had an holy aura around it's download now button screaming I am really more enjoyable than Gears of War and Warhawk was right.

Plus to be honest with the PS2 crowd screw them they just idiots that got there parents to buy there console for Christmas or whatever. Its happening to the 360 & the Wii + the great thing about being the most expensive is low number of gamers under 13 it's freakin awesome to play Warhawk with no immature retards screaming endlessly in the Mic


@ PSXMAX Ha it's no surprise it's Microsoft they really have to build an proper console that doesn't get these errors

In short Greenberg failed

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NiteKrawler
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:34:08 PM

Whoa dude, ever hear of a period? You can't even call what you wrote run-on sentences.

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Alienange
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:56:10 PM

What was that about Warhawk? Unclear.

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Naga
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:10:28 PM

LOL you gives a s@&¤

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maxpontiac
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:06:01 AM
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As a business owner (I have owned a design company for 6 years now), and I never slandered my competitors. I let my work and service speak for itself. A company, no matter how big or small it is, should have to "put your candle out to make mine look brighter".

Aaron Greenberg should be ashamed with his lack of professionalism.

Microsoft should put an equal ammount of energy into developing a product (that is not bogged down with the infamous RROD and now rising Error Code 74) as they spend on critizing their competitors.

This lack of professionalism and an offering of a poor product will eventually come back and bite them where it hurts, and all the paid off developers and repeat buyers won't save them.

They lost me as a consumer for life with their poor product and abysmal service (5 RRODs and horrible customer relations). My family members whom all had 360's followed suit once their problems with the 360 arrised as well. I believe it is a trend that will continue and only intensify as time passes..


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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:57:19 PM

Well put. Microsoft lost a lot of consumers like you...and I really don't think they care.

That's probably what annoys me most.

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HOODGE
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:39:10 AM
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Microsofts motto = FAILURE. Sorry guys for that long, hard on you're eyes post. After reading Ben's article as you can tell I was quite furious and just typed and typed and typed. After posting it, I read it through. Lost my spot a lot. Paragraphs next time for sure. I'm glad Ben you do post some of these articles on the Big 2's console war, but I hope we don't always get these kinda articles. Stresses me out. Makes one mad. Microsoft is looking more like all these crooked companies such as a little company the whole world knows about now - AIG.

Anyways great Article Ben and great posting everyone. Hope some of those Microsoft Execs read this article. Don't feel it will do much to make them smarter tho in what they say when they open their mouths.

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JDC80
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:14:59 PM

This is like the L.A. Clippers talking smack about the Bostons Celtics if anything Microsoft should be thankful people stop talking about people going through 3 or 5 Xbox 360s because their melting down on them.

As for sells they were the first out of the gate and Microsoft mark down their consoles like every other 3 months so I guess that would help too why pay 399.99 when you can pay 199.99(oh by the way hard drive, wi-fi adapter and Xbox Live membership not included).

As for their attack on the PS3 brand, come on really Microsoft? Microsoft have to over pay for timed exclusives, Microsoft have to over pay for extra for DLC just so they can say "hehe our version of Grand Theft Auto IV or Fallout 3 is better" and their first party studios are going the way of the dinosaur.

It seems the only people that get a kick out of this sort of stuff are the suits at Microsoft, 360 fanboys and G4 certain host.

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Alienange
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:03:43 PM

lol @ G4 certain host

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Robochic
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:14:25 PM
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Well put Article Ben, right on the money.
I have noticed lately M$ bad mouthing the competition, i think they are getting really scared seeing what Sony has and they are like damn now what do we do.

I really think Sony is going to blow M$ out of the water with all the exclusives (GOWIII,Uncharted 2) and whatever the secret is from the creaters of MGS i guarentee that'll put a steak through M$.

@psxmax
The E74 error was a big issue for a bit it's basically you're warning before the 3 red lights. my friend says as soon as he gets that error with a few days he's got 3 red lights. it sucks majorly.

@PSNclaw18
I don't think Sony needs to comment or defend themselves to M$ if they start then they're stooping to M$ level and Sony doesn't really do that,if Sony bashes them they do it more discret.

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shaydey77
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:46:20 PM
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Sounds just like the fanboys...on a big scale...ironic that some of the fans are the same as their respective companies

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:58:05 PM
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Thanks all for the comments. It just needed to be said. :)

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convergecrew
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:20:36 PM
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Thats all MS does--talk dirty, get in bed with 3rd party developers because they dont wanna pay to develop their own good games--and it seems to be working.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:23:00 PM
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My brother found this in our area.

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/tch/1080411748.html

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Gone
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:34:32 PM

Interesting, I thought they sent all the badboxs back to Microripoff.

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sunspider13
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 4:53:10 PM
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Hello ppl long time reader, first post...good article, and I agree 100%. My brother had a 360 and then he got the RROD. So he called M$ CS and he was laughed at. Needless to say he traded in the POS that day and got a PS3 and now he's much happier.

It's sad that the M$ fanboys think that they have a better product, when IMHO they don't. I've played a handful of games on it, and out of their entire catalog of games there only a handful that deserve the attention.

Well I'm rambling now while waiting for the BSG finale, I promise that my next post will be more coherent, lol.

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Alienange
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:07:42 PM

Nice avatar. Good comment too. I don't have an xbox, but it stuns me whenever I hear an honest story about it failing. I can't believe they're still in business with such an epic failure.

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march6969
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:23:30 PM
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Hi Ben been reading your post for quite some time and they are always well put together, so forgive me if this rant is a little up and down but after reading all kinds of slander from MS I felt I had to post, now this post will be about several of the posts over the last couple of weeks, again I try not to be a PS fanboy but MS makes it so hard, well lets begin

So I currently work for an isp in canada(leave it unnamed cause it doesn't matter) but there are about 50 gamers where I work, roughly 20ps3 and 30 xbox, out of all of them only 1 ps3 gone bad and only 1 xbox has not, and just to assure you that the issue is not resolved I had to buy a new tv(mine blu), and it came in a package(tv,home theater, xbox),kids bugged me to keep but I sold anyways(friend came back 1 month later needing receipt for warranty:(

now that that is out of the way there is another issue bugging me, this guy at work always attacks me about xbox>ps3, 1 of his biggest arguements is that blu-ray is already gone cause everything is going digital DL, he should no that this is a looong way away especially working for an isp(25% of our customers still on dial up) and if you think this unrealistic the numbers are higher in the states cause the price difference for dial vs high speed in the states is quite significant not to mention that most isp's have bandwidth caps(60gb etc) so you would be limited to the number of games you could get a month with out incurring extra charges.

Now on to why I buy PS products vs microsoft, I treat buying electronics of any kind all the same(what do they offer,what is the quality,how well does the product stack up against others, and the most important what is the expected life span and how did its previous products stack up), now maybe I'm just lucky but here has been my personal experience with ps and also what I have witnessed with the competitor

PS-7years (original system then sold)
ps2-9years just sold my launch system to a buddy(dont need I got a 60g ps3)
PS3-2.5 years no issues

xbox-lasted 2 years and couldnt beat the current gen
xbox 360-still has I high fail rate and is showing less and less promising software and im sure they'll launch a new 1 soon

and ppl are always surprised that microsofts console breaks so much or they replace it after 2 years with some thing new i.e(xbox 1) again look at the companies track record

winfroze
win 98se last real good os
win ME-hahahahahahahahahahah
win 2000 not bad it is essentially 98 on steriods
win xp-fail
win xp sp1-fail
win xp sp2-they finally fixed it
win vista-drivers not work this doesn't work etc etc etc and guess what instead of taking the time and fixing vista what will MS do drumroll please......
windows 7

I could go on forever about how after I spend x$ on system and games I have to pay just to play on line with my friends or paddles I have to buy batteries or charges and pripriatory hdd's and headsets etc, and I know that MS sales figures are skued cause they just started the 3 year warranty last year and I have a couple buddies who had 2 buy new xboxs cause it was out of warranty in the first and 2nd years so the gap is shorter than they think, anyways enough of my rant I know what systems to buy, the 1's that have always proven themselves to fun reliable systems that keep u coming back for more(just happens to be sony lol), also if you look at sonys track record at launch all there games just look like really good prev-gen games and about 6months-1year the gems start rolling out takes abit for developers to figure out the PS but then there is so much potential that the systems last 10 years(i perfer buying games all the times rather then every couple years haveing to buy a new console) thannnnnk yooooou sony :) anyways enjoy my blurt and let the xbot hate roll on in....

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smileys_007
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:26:49 PM
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damn, i just wish that the price of the ps3 will lower down NOW and when that happens, ps3 sales will explode and will be so much higher than the xbox 360!

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march6969
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:32:22 PM
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ps. most the guys at work that are now RRODing they send there xbox away but the go buy a PS3 cause there sick of not being able to play games for a month when the send the xbox away, 5 guys have switched in the last 3 months lol

the wind of change is upon us......

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AceTatsujin
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:05:13 PM
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F@!% microsoft. Them and their sh!tbox 3fix me.

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Alienange
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:14:11 PM
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I'd probably have a little more respect for MS if they'd keep their yap shut. Coming out with this stuff? They deserve the hate.

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Mog77
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:16:15 PM
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I personally know three people at my work location that own xbox 360s. Two of those three have had the RROD. Last summer when one of them had their xbox 360 die of the RROD, I told him microsoft extended the warranty and that he was covered. He didn't listen to me and went to the nearest best buy and bought an xbox 360 arcade.

Proof that some of the xbox 360s that microsoft claims to be sold to new owners are really just buying their 2nd or 3rd xbox 360. Proof that Ben is right!

Microsoft are acting like a bunch of bullies. And I hate bullies!

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Arkhon
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:13:15 PM
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Did anybody here read about what Sony said about Microsoft and Nintendo back during CES '09? Or am I the only one who remembers them lashing out?

In fact, I read about that on *this* website. At the time, all of you were applauding their aggressive marketing.

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sammyt
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 10:04:25 PM
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Thank you whoever wrote this article, you speak the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But please, people, take note of who said those things...Aron Greenburg, he's such a DI** that I dont even care cause not only is he EXTREMELY biased, but even his facts are totally skewed.

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yzzlthtz
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 12:48:57 AM
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Micro shut the f*ck up.

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___________
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 2:19:00 AM
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speaking of journos getting off the hook.
ben next time your talking to sony can you ask them why they NEVER release a Limited edition of there games here in oz.
like with resistance 2 i KNOW insomniac wanted to bring the same LE here to OZ but sony said NO.
and same with guides oz is the only country that does not have the killzone 2 guide.
why havent we paid you enough yet sony?
1000 bucks for the ps3 and 120 per game that still not enough?
hasent the ps3 been released here yet?
thanks

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Dridion
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 3:02:42 AM
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LMAO, Ben this is why I love you and the psx. You guys state the facts...nothing more, nothing less. It's hilarious now a days what people say and how they react when the competition is on their azz. LOL im just going to sit back and enjoy the ride. It's FINALLY TIME for Sony's just deserts. This is another reason why I hate ign so much. As ligit as they may sound sometimes, you just can't help but feel that there's some sort of xbot bias going and in the site. Check this link out and have one hell of a laugh at the article. It legit in some ways yet bias.

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/963/963916p1.html

It's just amazing what people will do just to say a dieing loved one; then again, you can't blame them. LOL at M$.

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raffieltiger
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 4:28:39 AM
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I was looking through the Playstation Blog and came across your article. It made me feel good reading about how Microsoft thinks they are winning.

Sony are not idiots and this is their third console and they sure knew what they were doing. Creating Blu-Ray made sure that games and movies would be completely future proof for a good long while.

The Xbox 360 only exists because Microsoft wanted a piece of the pie when Sony was doing so well. Microsoft should have never joined the console race in the first place.

I mean the Playstation 3 does break, but it doesn't happen very often and they have solved the bricking issue by replacing old parts with new ones.

Three out of four sides are constantly blowing and circulating air throughout the Playstation 3.

Even during the most intense battles the Playstation 3 has never overheated for me.

I could go on about the many features that make the Playstation 3 difference, but instead of saying why Microsoft is bad, I would have been talking about why Sony is extra value for money.

This year will most likely determine the fate of the Xbox 360. And once Sony has enough momentum, we will see a similar rise to power that the Playstation 2 saw in it's glory days.

And then Microsoft will try and take back every bad thing that has ever been said about the Playstation 3.

But it will be too late. And I will be able to say "I told you so".

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Snaaaake
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 5:49:11 AM

Even with all the powerful line up for 2009, I doubt that PS3 can outsell or catchup to the 360, but it will definitely close the gap on the 360.
But you never know, maybe a price cut will really spur the sale big time.
Microsoft seem to think that as long as the 360 price is lower than the PS3 then it's their win but they're so wrong, Sony only need to cut price of PS3 to a REASONABLE and AFFORDABLE amount.
Playstation has a bigger fanbase than the Xbox, here in Malaysia Xbox fans aren't even 10% of the PS fans, funny thing is that when I ask my friend what's an Xbox, they said only brainless people won't know, but when I ask them how bout we go get a 360 sometime(I was a 360 fanboy back then), they said, what? what's a 360?
But they know what's a PS 123.

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Masterofallz
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 9:07:19 PM

I agree. Have you heard Valve talk smack about the ps3 in '05, saying that it will never start out right and that no one will buy it. But then, in '08, Valve took back everything bad about the ps3 and started saying it is a "ok" console. And that they are working on a left 4 dead for the ps3. Its coming out Summer '09.

Most companies are to quick to judge.

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Minishmaru
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 8:13:13 AM
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One word, ZING! Bravo Ben bravo! I agree completely, maybe it's the whole respect thing and since Sony is a Japanese product they respect their competition rather than lashing out and "dissing" them

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Farion
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 1:00:12 PM
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I have been a Playstation fan for a long time and I also have read many articles of what Greenberg said about sony and the ps3, and i totally agree to ben because if the xbox360 is going to "win" this generation then why attack sony and the ps3 so much i mean there is no reason for a professional to talk so unprofessionaly when his product is gaining a big share in the market right? He should just keep his mouth shut, and another thing about M$ paying developers so that they can get exlusive DLC, well if they are really confident in winning this generation over Sony's PS3 then they should stop paying developers to make exlusive DLC for the Xbox 360 and i also agree in some people saying that he is scared because of the exlusive Line up sony has to offer this year and those exclusives are not 'just" simply exlusives those exlusive will make the PS3 sales go up,and one last thing i think that it is too early to judge who will be the winner because the future is uncertain and no one can predict what might happen in the future.

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Snaaaake
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 8:45:17 PM
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Microsoft is really desperate to win this gen.
Why? Here's a few reason:
1) Xbox 360 out just 4 YEARS after the Xbox was launch
2) Crazy, desperate and completely unnecessary money just for exclusive games and exclusive DLC
3) Just like this article said, keeps on saying bout the PS3

And for the record, I don't consider the 360 as a 7th gen console, I don't even consider it as the second version of Xbox, more like Xbox 1.5 aka Xbox 180.

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Masterofallz
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 9:08:45 PM
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Has anyone noticed that most 360 fanboys used to be Dreamcast fanboys? I mean, really. My friend told me he wouldnt touch a playstation because the PS2 slaughtered the Dreamcast...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 9:40:33 PM

That's because many big DC fans blamed Sony and the PS2 for killing off their beloved system. Such fools can carry a grudge for a loooong time...

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Orvisman
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 4:40:00 PM

I've been writing that same thing about all the former Segaholics migrating to the Xbox/Xbox 360.

I read a post on GameSpot last week where one poster even flatly stated something similar about Sony killing the best first-party developer ever, Sega.

If I can find it again, I'll post it here.

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Arkhon
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 6:32:53 PM

I actually migrated from PC.

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Douchebaguette
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 10:28:00 PM
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That pic of Greenburg is depressing.

Someone needs to write "TWAT" across his forehead.

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Snaaaake
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 3:11:41 AM
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Somebody tell Aaron the PS2 is the champion of video game with 140m unit sold and it's the winner of the 6th gen.
We are now competing in the 7th gen.......

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Dingodial
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:50:44 PM
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If M$ doesn't stop then I think Sony should start bashing the Xbox 360! Imagine if they could just get some good commercials onto my TV screen that talk about the 360 like it's trash? That would be awesome XD

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