Microsoft Should Stop Talking About The PlayStation 3
See Full ImageLook, we are well aware that when companies are in direct competition with one another (at least, in terms of one specific division), it's perfectly normal to expect each side to take potshots at the other. In fact, it's even expected. But we've noticed a trend in the past year or so, and we can't decide if it's due to fear on Microsoft's part, or just an unprofessional approach.
Xbox 360 product management director Aaron Greenberg had a lot to say recently, and too much of it revolved around the competition. We have to wonder if Gamasutra specifically asked him about Sony and the PlayStation 3, or if he just decided to lash out on his own. We're not going to quibble when it comes to statistics; he's certainly not making them up, and it's true that the 360 outperformed the PS3 in February. However, he also clearly hints at the "fact" that Killzone 2 didn't have any effect; that it didn't prove to be the system seller everyone thought it would be. ...well, there's a serious problem with that train of thought. Guerilla's gem didn't launch until February 27; the next-to-the-last day of the month, if you're not calendar-proficient. Now, we don't know of any gamers who ran out to buy a PS3 on Valentine's Day in anticipation of the game; it's far more likely that people would buy the PS3 and the game together, so it seems fair to assume that this month's statistics will be far more telling. Furthermore, he goes out of his way to say the PS3 business is "declining," which - based on full year stats that are actually relevant rather than one-month stats that mean nothing - is also completely inaccurate.
Using the example of the 62% decrease in PS2 sales to say Microsoft is luring past Sony fans over to the Xbox this generation is also a flawed maneuver. ...so, the people who didn't decide to buy a PS2 in February all bought a 360? Really? Now, a lot of you are going to say, "so what, Sony does the same thing!" Well, yes and no. We see Sony's press releases all the time, and we also see what their executives have to say in interviews on a daily basis. There's absolutely no doubt that they push their own products; they will say how the PS3 is worth the more expensive price tag; they will say the Network is on the rise; they will say the upcoming exclusives are going to be huge, etc, etc, etc. But we very rarely hear them say anything specific about Microsoft or the 360. Yes, they will push their own stuff until they're blue in the face, but attacking the competition doesn't appear to be part of the agenda. Obviously, it is for Microsoft.
We're certain they don't care, but here's some advice, Big MS: just quiet down. Do your own thing and make the gamers happy. Maybe you're scared that the PS3's upcoming exclusive lineup makes yours appear paltry by comparison, or maybe you're concerned about the whole Blu-Ray thing, or perhaps you don't want to admit that your beloved sales statistic does indeed include multiple console purchases by the same consumer...due to the 360's piss-poor reliability in the past. Who knows? But you should just stick to promoting your own products, which you're more than welcome to do. Please do leave Sony and the PS3 out of your rants unless prompted, m'kay?
3/19/2009 Ben Dutka
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Ultimadesires
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:03:03 AM
HhaHAahHAhahHAHhaHAhaHAHha
Lovely Stuff.
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rell
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:44:13 AM
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city96
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:22:54 PM
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N a S a H
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 6:34:05 AM
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inkme101
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:46:34 PM
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SPS3
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:48:51 PM
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ps92117
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:50:36 PM
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city96
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:24:50 PM
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Zemus101
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:54:31 PM
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Now, on an unproffesional note.. i want the 360 and 360 fanboys to be made a fool this year when ps3 outsells them :P
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Scarecrow
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:46:54 AM
And then it will all be over when Gran Turismo 5 releases.
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Deleted User
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:55:16 PM
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Microsoft is a joke. They build a poorly designed console, charge $60 CAN for an online service where people can be subjected to racial and sexist slurs from 12 year old boys, need to pay off every publisher, journalist and blogger to gain an advantage and failed to get those casual markets that Nintendo and Sony are catering to. Why should anyone take them seriously? They have been doing everything wrong since 2001.
Too many people read OXM and believe the garbage they spew.
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rezenu
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:39:42 AM
I've played plenty of games during the week-RE5, Street Fighter 4, some old school Onimusha, and started playing Ninja Gaiden Sigma again.
The games are coming for the PS3 and I am happy about that.
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JasperLoons
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:57:02 PM
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"Yes, they will push their own stuff until they're blue in the face, but attacking the competition doesn't appear to be part of the agenda."
Truer words were never spoken.
"Maybe you're scared that the PS3's upcoming exclusive lineup makes yours appear paltry by comparison, or maybe you're concerned about the whole Blu-Ray thing"
They must be absolutely terrified. I like the 360 just fine, but I don't think I have ever looked forward to a coming years video games so much.
As for the blu-ray thing, anyone watch G4? Seen Morgan's rant about how Microsoft was "looking to the future" by not going blu-ray? Made me want to vomit.
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Deleted User
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:02:35 PM
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rell
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:05:26 AM
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Tatsujin
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:03:35 PM
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PS3 Blu-Ray and exclusives... Xbox's... Live? Wait, Ive heard that too many times... Ive also heard how great the PSN is, not as good as Live but pretty damn good... SO who really wins in that extent? Yea, Sony's PS3.
People are just too stubborn to see that they get more for their dollar with the PS3. Not to mention, a one time buy... not a 3 or 4 time buy (RRoD)
Just sayin, Microsoft sure does talk a lot of sh** but they never seem to have anything to back it up other than Live and Console sales that are probably faulty due to the RRoD anyways... Game Over?
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kb8mvp81
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:04:38 PM
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Alienange
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:19:14 AM
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SnipeySnake
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:14:22 PM
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jdt1981
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:09:21 PM
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NoSmokingBandit
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:09:35 PM
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MS just doesnt have anything good to say about the 360. Its quite obvious or they would be firing up the old hype machine and causing 13 year old boys everywhere to shake with excitement over whatever game they are going to stamp "halo" on next. Sony doesnt need to talk smack about MS because they have enough awesome stuff to say about the ps3 that they cant find time to even mention rrod.
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AshT
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:11:19 PM
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Deleted User
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:45:07 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:42:08 AM
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ThugNificent101
Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 11:50:26 PM
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I just went to some sites a couple hours prior to reading this and saw a couple articles about what Aaron Greenberg had to say about the PS3, and i thought it was a complete waste of space that said very little. The statistics were the most informative out of everything said...
I really dont think the 360 to be a bad console but its these kinds of things that drive me further away from the system.
And really... they feel that great about out selling Sonys PS3 when the PS3 is twice the 360's cost? I would think they should have at least double the competitions sales to start boasting.
This is the main reason i cant wait for a price drop for the PS3. To shut Microsoft up!
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TheUglyBassist
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:05:50 AM
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shindelion
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:06:57 AM
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karneli lll
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:17:38 AM
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And here's Sony's repair service; my ps3 is arriving on tuesday (six days after i mailed it)
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:00:56 AM
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crawdaddy
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:32:01 AM
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pillz81
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:25:45 PM
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ImTheMan
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:19:35 AM
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jaybiv
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:20:42 AM
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Fatcat3788
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:31:18 AM
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In any case I like to think of it in terms of userbase statistics. Which in turn makes it a somewhat smart move on Microsoft's part. If we look at the userbase of each system owner... Microsoft's largest userbase is that of 10-15 year olds. From my experiences on a number of websites, these same aged kids are obviously what make up the stereotypical "fanboy" (and yes there are some on both sides) So whenever a Microsoft PR makes an accusation or an insult it fuels the ongoing "flame war" of said system. This in turn makes every single one of these people basically give Microsoft free publicity. After all, what good is news if it is all peace in love?
From my standpoint I actually don't condone this behaviour. I feel whenever they pull crap like this they are just presenting themselves as the very same people they are catering to. Which let's me feel pleased to be on Sony's side. In any case, my experiences online both on an Xbox and a PS3 have made me feel a certain way. I feel Sony has a more mature userbase than the Xbox userbase. Which definately seals my choice on which console I prefer. I also feel that in terms of being professional, Sony has the advantage which makes my purchase of said system of choice more than a good buy. It makes me feel like they deserve my purchase.
In my view it's Game: Set: Match.
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FeyeR
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:46:24 AM
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NightHawk17
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:05:04 AM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:06:35 AM
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BIG_E
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:56:38 AM
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shows fare.
They know when the small lead in sales is lost they lose.
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crump602
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:59:09 AM
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They pretty much been playin catch-up after the PS2 came out , but I'll tell u guys one thing, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL MS GUNNA GET THE RESPECT SONY GETS FROM DEV. & PUB. IN ITS 16+YRS IN THE BUSINESS!!!!!! Thats the only thing MS CANNOT BUY!
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OriginalSin
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:05:48 AM
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I always try my best not to get upset with him or people like him but I started realizing that he was just jealous and that's all. plus he was so uninformed it wasn't even funny.
You see he went to buy his first Xbox about a month before the PS3 launched in my country. Then I bought my PS3 on launch day. High price but with BC. He bragged and went on and on saying how bad the PS3 is and how the Xbox kicks ass. In all honesty those first couple of months I could really argue with him as the PS3 struggled as we all know.The only real draw card I had was Blu Ray . But then in reply he had ''.... well were getting HD DVD which is better...'' Blah blah F***** Blah.
So a couple of months passed, and when I saw him again he had a Black 360 (Elite) and not the other one he had first. So I asked him what happened. He said he ''upgraded''... Yeah right I think we all know what happened there as well. But I never said anything.
But here is the fun part. As the days went by the PS3 actually started getting their s*** together.The PS3 ports started getting better. Blu Ray owned HD DVD.... I smile. And the games start coming and coming and coming.
And I would say the final nail for him was when MGS4 came out. He was a very ,very big MGS fan believe it or not. But he was convinced Sony will loose it as an exclusive and it will be coming to the 360. So I got my copy played it... he waited.... I played it... He waited... I played it...He waited. Think you get the idea.
When he actually saw the game running on my brand new HDTV I could honestly say I saw tears in his eyes. Then on that day he actually realized our network was FREE and that I could do EVERYTHING he can do and more with my machine. just to rub some salt in it we watched a Blu Ray just before he left.
Since then the exclusives just kept on rolling in. Sure I was impressed with Gears 2, and I even enjoyed playing Fable a bit when I was at his place. But somehow it just never lived up to anything we have (except for Gears as I would have loved to have that on PS3).
But lately he has actually stopped ranting about how ''crap'' the PS3 is. I think it's because he has NOTHING left to say. Sure we lost some exclusives (GTA, FFXIII).But so did they.We got so many in return (MGS4,LBP, Resistance 2, Motorstorm, Uncharted: Among Thieves, GOW3,KZ2,GT5,Heavy Rain and the list keeps growing)
So at the end of the day I couldn't care less about MS ranting or any other Xbox Fanboy going off to his heart's content. I just let them have their 10 sec in the spotlight. I KNOW they actually have nothing on us. I think MS is starting to panic. The PS3 has a 10 year plan. And it's pretty clear it will go all the way and even beyond that 10 year plan.
If the new xbox comes out anytime soon I would have felt cheated as a consumer. Why did I have to buy a Gaming console just to buy the new version so soon after buying the first one...second one...third one... and finally the one they have no hoping it doesn't explode?
On the other hand can they leave the 360 up against the PS3 for another 6 years without a serious upgrade of sorts and still compete? No Blu Ray no HD DVD....? I don't know, and I'm not in a position to say either.
Don't get me wrong I don't hate the 360 or the Xbots, I would buy a 360 so I can play some of their Stellar exclusives. But I WILL NOT BUY ONE until I'm 100% sure it will not die on me more than once, or at all for that matter.
I might just ride it out and wait for MS next big console that might offer me something I worth while but right now they have nothing I desire... Gears series maybe.... Halo? hahahaha. We have Resistance and KILLZONE now. B-i-a-t-c-h-e-s. They have Fonza...sweet, but GT is on the way. You get my drift right.
Sorry for the long comment and all the ''ranting'' from my side. But I just had to voice my opinion. Sure there will be people that will disagree with me and that's fine. But I think there will be a lot more people that will agree with me thou.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:55:40 AM
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Qubex
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:05:54 AM
Q!
"i am home"
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cazzy07
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:09:20 AM
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SHADOW [Moderator]
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NiteKrawler
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Acehiroku
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:11:37 AM
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OriginalSin
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Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:16:11 PM
-Arvis
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Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 3:40:50 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:59:47 AM
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killzone100
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:31:11 AM
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fame_in_game
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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 2:00:54 PM
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Qubex
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:17:41 AM
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Think about this... writing off of 2-3 billion - this is a huge huge sum of money... any decent independent hardware maker would have gone to the wall... and the market would have punished them severely. Yet Xbots do not take M$ to task for their frustrations, delays and replacements... sometimes up to 3 consoles to finally get one that lasts...
I mean, it is almost criminal if you are looking purely from a product quality perspective... Sony has pride at least, unbelievable... you want to give that dude a mirror to look into and say, "Man take the f******* log out of your own console, before you try and take a stick out of the PS3"... the stats are horrific...
It is only because M$ is in such a dominating world-wide position that they can make mistakes after mistakes... print more money and continue...
My worry is that if they actually get it right... 3rd time lucky... Sony may have a very difficult time... they just keep on printing... the "octopus effect"...
Q!
"i am home"
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aaronisbla
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:31:27 AM
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Gotta love how he used Feb whe it came to comparing killzone 2....which was only out for 2 days in feb but sold well over 300,000 copies in that month alone.
did he really compare a DLC title to it? wow
Would have been cool if he pointed out all of the great exclusive games coming out for the 360 for 2009...............
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Dooby_Scooby
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:56:57 AM
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Unfortunately this is nothing new. This is and has been Microsoft's strategy in regards to any and all competition.
http://www.microsoft.com/canada/getthefacts/default.mspx
" The get the facts " Campaign that Microsoft has been running for about 5 years.
Its called FUD, Fear uncertainty and Doubt. They even pay people to come onto forums and bad mouth the competition.
http://digg.com/microsoft/Microsoft_Shill_Admits_to_Having_Over_200_Fake_Accounts
Unfortunately when you have the sort of Money MS has anything is possible. Some of the 360 rabid fans that jump around are actually paid, kind of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth thinking about it..
Sony are Japanese, it goes against the Japanese honour system to bad mouth your competition - generally speaking..
I am not implying that all Americans are bad, just that Microsoft has no honour as a company they dont care about bad mouthing the competition, even if they have to make up stuff.
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ceedot
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 4:05:44 AM
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Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 9:19:26 AM
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Deathstriker
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:09:46 AM
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/slap Microsoft
/pickupcontroller
/play kz2
/:D
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HOODGE
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:25:53 AM
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SHADOW [Moderator]
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 9:42:46 AM
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pillz81
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slayerkillemall
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:36:32 AM
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Ultimadesires
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:38:05 AM
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Woochow
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:38:13 AM
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I work for Sony(as an artist), and am the first to admit that when I joined the team, I was a 360 owner who viewed the PS3 as an expensive console with few games worth the asking price.
Since working for Sony, I have been given a few games for PS3, and of course I couldn't play them!! Grrr.
So, eventualy, I bought my PS3, with Mirrors Edge and Resistance 2......what can I say? A console that makes no noise when playing games or movies, that looks great in my AV rack, that lets me browse the web, that has FREE online play, that is VERY customisable, that has the best exclusives coming this year....God! - it goes on!!!
I have suffered the RROD 3 times! I'm an avid Halo (CE) fan, never liked GoW, and what else is there on the system?...erm...
Luckily, I'm 'in the know' with the exclusives that are coming the PS3's way....what can I say to cement what you guys already know, the 360, is considered a 'last gen' console among most devs, the PS3 is the future, we just don't know what MS will do next, but the Halo franchise can only go so far...forget that. We have SO MANY great titles coming the PS3's way, so many original IP's that anyone who considers themselves a true gamer would be stupid to ignore.
Am I bias working for Sony? Well...in my interview for the job, I made it clear I was a 360 fan, and that I loved Halo CE. My views have changed. I played Uncharted and loved it. I played Resistance 1 and 2 and loved them. I played Valkyria and it's my favourite game ever! I'm now playing MGS4, and I can't believe the production values, not to mention the awesomeness that is the game.
And for the record, I think Killzone 2 sucks. Evedn though I have friends who worked on it...I hate it and think it is an emotionless cardboard cut out of an FPS...but that's just my opinion, please don't flame me for it - I prefere Resistance 2 - awesome game! :-)
Sorry for the long post, my first here.
- Woochow
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Sir Shak
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:33:30 AM
But maybe you should give Killzone 2 another try , it's not about the story, it's about the chaos around you .
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Alienange
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:25:17 AM
One thing: GoW is a PS2 exclusive that kicks major butt. Use GeoW or Gears. I'm not the authority on the matter, I'm just saying.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 10:24:04 AM
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JofaMang
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:17:49 AM
Didn't stop me from getting my top 1% Trophy last week. To each their own! With the PS3, diverse tastes can still be treated their favourite flavours; anyone who loves games can find great joy in the ps3 in one corner or another.
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NiteKrawler
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:39:18 PM
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Belazor
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:45:05 PM
Nothing really more to say, already with the lineup I'm looking forward to did I know I made the right choice when I bought my Xbox360 fangirl friend's 60GB PS3 (UK) 2nd hand, and now you're saying there's even more win in stock.
Thank you, and welcome to PSXExtreme :)
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Acehiroku
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:47:32 AM
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Hehehe, chillax dude. A lot of people feel the same way as you do, just don't be tempted to spend money on any of 360 products again and don't encourage your friends or other people as well. Hey, if we wanna make our stand, gotta start with ourselves first, right ? Peace out !
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fatelementality
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:34:08 AM
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crawdaddy
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 9:12:22 AM
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JofaMang
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:10:06 AM
Of the 15+ Xbox owners I know personally, every single one has had at least one failure, with a couple at 5 and counting.
Admittedly anecdotal evidence at best over the internet, but all the proof "I" need to cement my choice, and brand loyalty.
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pillz81
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:54:46 PM
I believe so too.
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The Stig
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 3:11:41 PM
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isaya85
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:24:20 AM
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PSN ID Biggest_GMoney
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rezenu
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:33:08 AM
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Thank you for this article. Microsoft's arrogance is truly astounding. They keep it up and sooner or later they will end up in Sony's position.
They care nothing about their fans or the people who buy their systems. All they care about is marketshare.
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Mornelithe
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:34:57 AM
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*chuckle*
Morne
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Sir Shak
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:39:15 AM
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The fact is that the PS3 is a premium product with premium quality software . As I said before, we are gamers , we like to play games , not count them .
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coldbore
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 7:43:35 AM
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CH1N00K
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:13:01 AM
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You guys must have weeded out all the bad X-box fanboys off this site, I was expecting a lot more criticism from the MS side for this article then there are. Usually an article like this stirs up the hornets nest a bit..Kind of disappointing really, no one has been deleted...lol!
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 10:45:34 AM
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Gone
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:21:21 AM
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rell
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:29:18 AM
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Masterofallz
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 6:56:43 PM
"Now today we have... uh... What exclusives do we have again?"
:)
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LegioN
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:38:07 AM
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Next thing you know they'll be crashing Sonys press conference at E3. It's bad enough as it is.
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Alienange
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:41:11 AM
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PSNclaw18
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:43:27 AM
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If I were an average joe and not a gamer, I see lack of advertising from Sony hyping up games/their system and Sony NOT defending itself to the public eye.
I just want Sony to smack M$ and Greenberg in the mouth...and advertise! Let everyone know (not just gamers that already know) that the PS brand is superior to the Xbox brand and that it is seriously next-gen/future proof.
How frustrating!!!!!!!
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Masterofallz
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 7:25:00 PM
I am so tired of Sony getting bullied by all of these companies. (Microsoft, Activision, Valve, etc.) Sony really needs to start firing back.
Last edited by Masterofallz on 3/21/2009 7:27:43 PM
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raztad
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:54:50 AM
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KZ2 IS a system seller, at least for me (and that is what really matter BTW :D) my PS3 is one of these 270K units. I purchased it only to be ready for KZ2, BUT I didnt buy KZ2 till one week after release so my copy is not one of those 320K.
I am very pleased about PS3 numbers. Yes I am, those numbers are even beating expectations by a good margin. They show that KZ2 had some real effect even if it was at retail for only 2 days last moth, why? because cheapest PS3 is DOUBLE price that cheapest 360, and we are in economic downturn so many people settle for the cheapest. If you put Europe into the picture (dont forget Europe has been crazy about KZ2) and Japan, is easy to forecast an extremely good month for SONY.
SONY clearly knows there are a LOT of new potential costumers waiting for a price drop, but they are playing THEIR game (very successfully IMO) and the price cut will come as soon as POSSIBLE.
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Fenrir
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 9:33:46 AM
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Gone
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 10:14:21 AM
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whooka
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 10:50:26 AM
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Naga
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:01:32 AM
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Plus to be honest with the PS2 crowd screw them they just idiots that got there parents to buy there console for Christmas or whatever. Its happening to the 360 & the Wii + the great thing about being the most expensive is low number of gamers under 13 it's freakin awesome to play Warhawk with no immature retards screaming endlessly in the Mic
@ PSXMAX Ha it's no surprise it's Microsoft they really have to build an proper console that doesn't get these errors
In short Greenberg failed
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NiteKrawler
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:34:08 PM
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maxpontiac
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:06:01 AM
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Aaron Greenberg should be ashamed with his lack of professionalism.
Microsoft should put an equal ammount of energy into developing a product (that is not bogged down with the infamous RROD and now rising Error Code 74) as they spend on critizing their competitors.
This lack of professionalism and an offering of a poor product will eventually come back and bite them where it hurts, and all the paid off developers and repeat buyers won't save them.
They lost me as a consumer for life with their poor product and abysmal service (5 RRODs and horrible customer relations). My family members whom all had 360's followed suit once their problems with the 360 arrised as well. I believe it is a trend that will continue and only intensify as time passes..
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:57:19 PM
That's probably what annoys me most.
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HOODGE
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 11:39:10 AM
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Anyways great Article Ben and great posting everyone. Hope some of those Microsoft Execs read this article. Don't feel it will do much to make them smarter tho in what they say when they open their mouths.
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JDC80
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:14:59 PM
As for sells they were the first out of the gate and Microsoft mark down their consoles like every other 3 months so I guess that would help too why pay 399.99 when you can pay 199.99(oh by the way hard drive, wi-fi adapter and Xbox Live membership not included).
As for their attack on the PS3 brand, come on really Microsoft? Microsoft have to over pay for timed exclusives, Microsoft have to over pay for extra for DLC just so they can say "hehe our version of Grand Theft Auto IV or Fallout 3 is better" and their first party studios are going the way of the dinosaur.
It seems the only people that get a kick out of this sort of stuff are the suits at Microsoft, 360 fanboys and G4 certain host.
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Robochic
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:14:25 PM
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I have noticed lately M$ bad mouthing the competition, i think they are getting really scared seeing what Sony has and they are like damn now what do we do.
I really think Sony is going to blow M$ out of the water with all the exclusives (GOWIII,Uncharted 2) and whatever the secret is from the creaters of MGS i guarentee that'll put a steak through M$.
@psxmax
The E74 error was a big issue for a bit it's basically you're warning before the 3 red lights. my friend says as soon as he gets that error with a few days he's got 3 red lights. it sucks majorly.
@PSNclaw18
I don't think Sony needs to comment or defend themselves to M$ if they start then they're stooping to M$ level and Sony doesn't really do that,if Sony bashes them they do it more discret.
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shaydey77
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:46:20 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 12:58:05 PM
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convergecrew
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 1:20:36 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 2:23:00 PM
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http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/tch/1080411748.html
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Gone
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 3:34:32 PM
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sunspider13
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 4:53:10 PM
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It's sad that the M$ fanboys think that they have a better product, when IMHO they don't. I've played a handful of games on it, and out of their entire catalog of games there only a handful that deserve the attention.
Well I'm rambling now while waiting for the BSG finale, I promise that my next post will be more coherent, lol.
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Alienange
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:07:42 PM
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march6969
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:23:30 PM
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So I currently work for an isp in canada(leave it unnamed cause it doesn't matter) but there are about 50 gamers where I work, roughly 20ps3 and 30 xbox, out of all of them only 1 ps3 gone bad and only 1 xbox has not, and just to assure you that the issue is not resolved I had to buy a new tv(mine blu), and it came in a package(tv,home theater, xbox),kids bugged me to keep but I sold anyways(friend came back 1 month later needing receipt for warranty:(
now that that is out of the way there is another issue bugging me, this guy at work always attacks me about xbox>ps3, 1 of his biggest arguements is that blu-ray is already gone cause everything is going digital DL, he should no that this is a looong way away especially working for an isp(25% of our customers still on dial up) and if you think this unrealistic the numbers are higher in the states cause the price difference for dial vs high speed in the states is quite significant not to mention that most isp's have bandwidth caps(60gb etc) so you would be limited to the number of games you could get a month with out incurring extra charges.
Now on to why I buy PS products vs microsoft, I treat buying electronics of any kind all the same(what do they offer,what is the quality,how well does the product stack up against others, and the most important what is the expected life span and how did its previous products stack up), now maybe I'm just lucky but here has been my personal experience with ps and also what I have witnessed with the competitor
PS-7years (original system then sold)
ps2-9years just sold my launch system to a buddy(dont need I got a 60g ps3)
PS3-2.5 years no issues
xbox-lasted 2 years and couldnt beat the current gen
xbox 360-still has I high fail rate and is showing less and less promising software and im sure they'll launch a new 1 soon
and ppl are always surprised that microsofts console breaks so much or they replace it after 2 years with some thing new i.e(xbox 1) again look at the companies track record
winfroze
win 98se last real good os
win ME-hahahahahahahahahahah
win 2000 not bad it is essentially 98 on steriods
win xp-fail
win xp sp1-fail
win xp sp2-they finally fixed it
win vista-drivers not work this doesn't work etc etc etc and guess what instead of taking the time and fixing vista what will MS do drumroll please......
windows 7
I could go on forever about how after I spend x$ on system and games I have to pay just to play on line with my friends or paddles I have to buy batteries or charges and pripriatory hdd's and headsets etc, and I know that MS sales figures are skued cause they just started the 3 year warranty last year and I have a couple buddies who had 2 buy new xboxs cause it was out of warranty in the first and 2nd years so the gap is shorter than they think, anyways enough of my rant I know what systems to buy, the 1's that have always proven themselves to fun reliable systems that keep u coming back for more(just happens to be sony lol), also if you look at sonys track record at launch all there games just look like really good prev-gen games and about 6months-1year the gems start rolling out takes abit for developers to figure out the PS but then there is so much potential that the systems last 10 years(i perfer buying games all the times rather then every couple years haveing to buy a new console) thannnnnk yooooou sony :) anyways enjoy my blurt and let the xbot hate roll on in....
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smileys_007
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:26:49 PM
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march6969
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 5:32:22 PM
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the wind of change is upon us......
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AceTatsujin
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:05:13 PM
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Alienange
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:14:11 PM
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Mog77
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 6:16:15 PM
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Proof that some of the xbox 360s that microsoft claims to be sold to new owners are really just buying their 2nd or 3rd xbox 360. Proof that Ben is right!
Microsoft are acting like a bunch of bullies. And I hate bullies!
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Arkhon
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 8:13:15 PM
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In fact, I read about that on *this* website. At the time, all of you were applauding their aggressive marketing.
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sammyt
Friday, March 20, 2009 @ 10:04:25 PM
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___________
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 2:19:00 AM
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ben next time your talking to sony can you ask them why they NEVER release a Limited edition of there games here in oz.
like with resistance 2 i KNOW insomniac wanted to bring the same LE here to OZ but sony said NO.
and same with guides oz is the only country that does not have the killzone 2 guide.
why havent we paid you enough yet sony?
1000 bucks for the ps3 and 120 per game that still not enough?
hasent the ps3 been released here yet?
thanks
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Dridion
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 3:02:42 AM
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http://dvd.ign.com/articles/963/963916p1.html
It's just amazing what people will do just to say a dieing loved one; then again, you can't blame them. LOL at M$.
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raffieltiger
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 4:28:39 AM
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Sony are not idiots and this is their third console and they sure knew what they were doing. Creating Blu-Ray made sure that games and movies would be completely future proof for a good long while.
The Xbox 360 only exists because Microsoft wanted a piece of the pie when Sony was doing so well. Microsoft should have never joined the console race in the first place.
I mean the Playstation 3 does break, but it doesn't happen very often and they have solved the bricking issue by replacing old parts with new ones.
Three out of four sides are constantly blowing and circulating air throughout the Playstation 3.
Even during the most intense battles the Playstation 3 has never overheated for me.
I could go on about the many features that make the Playstation 3 difference, but instead of saying why Microsoft is bad, I would have been talking about why Sony is extra value for money.
This year will most likely determine the fate of the Xbox 360. And once Sony has enough momentum, we will see a similar rise to power that the Playstation 2 saw in it's glory days.
And then Microsoft will try and take back every bad thing that has ever been said about the Playstation 3.
But it will be too late. And I will be able to say "I told you so".
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Snaaaake
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 5:49:11 AM
But you never know, maybe a price cut will really spur the sale big time.
Microsoft seem to think that as long as the 360 price is lower than the PS3 then it's their win but they're so wrong, Sony only need to cut price of PS3 to a REASONABLE and AFFORDABLE amount.
Playstation has a bigger fanbase than the Xbox, here in Malaysia Xbox fans aren't even 10% of the PS fans, funny thing is that when I ask my friend what's an Xbox, they said only brainless people won't know, but when I ask them how bout we go get a 360 sometime(I was a 360 fanboy back then), they said, what? what's a 360?
But they know what's a PS 123.
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Masterofallz
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 9:07:19 PM
Most companies are to quick to judge.
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Minishmaru
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 8:13:13 AM
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Farion
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 1:00:12 PM
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Snaaaake
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 8:45:17 PM
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Why? Here's a few reason:
1) Xbox 360 out just 4 YEARS after the Xbox was launch
2) Crazy, desperate and completely unnecessary money just for exclusive games and exclusive DLC
3) Just like this article said, keeps on saying bout the PS3
And for the record, I don't consider the 360 as a 7th gen console, I don't even consider it as the second version of Xbox, more like Xbox 1.5 aka Xbox 180.
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Masterofallz
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 9:08:45 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 9:40:33 PM
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Orvisman
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 4:40:00 PM
I read a post on GameSpot last week where one poster even flatly stated something similar about Sony killing the best first-party developer ever, Sega.
If I can find it again, I'll post it here.
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Douchebaguette
Saturday, March 21, 2009 @ 10:28:00 PM
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Someone needs to write "TWAT" across his forehead.
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Scarecrow
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Thursday, March 19, 2009 @ 10:43:49 PM
And we all know what that means
ps3 is where it's at, the 360 is an OLD console, with old technology, a DVD drive that pops out...
Useless controller, designed ONLY with FPSs in mind.
Retarded BOX design, I mean lol it's like it was designed in such a way so that it would fry the whole thing on purpose. And that's what it does! haha
ps3 has Japan and Europe(at least most of it outside from the UK)
And I really don't remember what good games the 360 will have this year.
Halo Wars? Haven't we seen the same thing already?