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PSN Bandwidth Fee Lets Media Take Another Swipe At The PS3

They can no longer claim the PlayStation 3 "has no games." They can no longer question whether or not Blu-Ray will become the accepted high-definition medium. They can no longer say that the PlayStation Network "has a long way to go." But no matter how many hurdles the PS3 clears, the media always wants to place more in its path.

This isn't a promotional push for the PS3; this is merely a counter to the extraordinarily negative backlash regarding Sony's latest move: according to the MTV Multiplayer blog, Sony will now be charging publishers a bandwidth fee when PSN users download content. This "PlayStation Network Bandwidth Fee" will cost publishers 16 cents per gigabyte of content downloaded and although this does apply to free and paid content, publishers are only charged for the free stuff for the first 60 days of Network availability. Many game journalists have leaped all over this, as if a starving child had finally found another anti-Sony tidbit to snack on. They were running out of ammunition, but now they've found another bullet.

A popular article out there is this one at SF Video Game Examiner, and it essentially labels this new development as a crucial blow, and Sony fans should be "livid." It says "you'll be sorry you don't own an Xbox 360," and that it's a "no-win situation for publishers." The argument is that 1 million downloads of a 1GB demo will cost a publisher $160,000, and one source has already said- "It definitely makes us think about how we view the distribution of content related to our games when it is free for us to do it on the web, on Xbox Live, or any other way including broadcast than on Sonys platform." The final conclusion basically tells consumers to avoid the PS3 for this very reason. We don't know about you, but this is an absurd sentiment.

There isn't a single solitary gamer on Mother Earth who would count this as a catalyst one way or the other when considering a console purchase. The Network remains free. 1 million downloads of a 1GB demo? ...when the hell is that going to happen? How often has it happened? Arguing that there are 20 million+ PSN accounts allows you to say that 1 million might be believable, but the previous number was between 17 and 18 million, and Sony has freely admitted that includes PlayStation accounts made on the PSP and PC, and it likely includes multiple accounts as well. Taking this into account, and the fact that a grand total of maybe two or three demos per year would reach the aforementioned 1 million plateau, and I seriously doubt smaller publishers will even care. Most content isn't 1GB in size, anyway! Are we really going to say to someone, "oh, you shouldn't buy the PS3 because such-and-such publisher might not put such-and-such demo up on the PSN?" You've got to be kidding me.

Here's the bottom line- the Network is still free. The vast majority of gamers go online to play games. All they know is that it's free on the Network and it isn't free on Live. Nobody lists demos as a major priority when selecting a console to buy, and if you evaluate the numbers correctly, this fee won't smash publishers as hard as some people would like to claim. My favorite part of the article is where it says that "Sony has, in one fell swoop, effectively guaranteed that you'll be making your demos, trailers, and hefty add-on content exclusive to Xbox Live." I also suppose that every last consumer on earth is choosing between the PS3 and 360...not a one already has the 360 at home and is merely considering a PS3 purchase. Oh wait...in our estimation and from what we've seen, there are a whole lot more members of the latter group. How exactly does this stop them - or really, anyone - from buying a PS3? Man, why not just stand outside Sony HQ with picket signs saying-"

"We don't know what you're going to do next concerning the PS3, but we're sure it's bad and we won't stand for it any longer!"

'rolls eyes'

3/22/2009 Ben Dutka

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FeyeR
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:02:18 PM
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This was definantly a bad move on sony's part... why sony, why?

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Akuma07
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 4:51:04 AM

its not that bad.
just means we wont have as much downloadable games and demos.

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Luiscosmo2
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 8:59:30 AM

Is just for free stuff. The rest that isen't free won't be charged.

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Orvisman
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 3:23:15 PM

Read the article. It clearly states "this does apply to free and paid content".

Also, I just read through this thread and saw many of the posters here crying this will be bad because developers won't post their stuff on PSN.

STOP IT NOW!

That is excatly what the MTV Blog and the SF Video Game Examiner want you to think. This result is unproven. Why don't you wait and see if anything changes before you overreact.

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Dooby_Scooby
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 8:35:02 PM

I posted this on another forum:

Demos are only charged for the first 60 days, paid for content always has the 16 cents charge.. In other words if they make money from costumes that they charge £3 for and it is 1 meg in size, after 1000 downloads ( £3000 profit) they get charged 16 cents .

After 4,000,000 downloads (£12 million pounds sales) they get charged
4,000,000 downloads at 1 meg download = 4,000 GB bandwidth
16 cents = $0.16
0.16x4,000 = $640

A whopping 640 dollars

£12,000,000 profit and they pay $640 for the bandwidth.. You have to be an idiot to complain, considering your possible profit margins, which wouldnt even be possible without the psn.. (By the way £12 Million is equivalent to round about
$16-20 Million Dollars, which makes this whole thing completely ridiculous now)

(check the SFIV costumes this is what I am basing this off of, and they charge nearly £5 per costume pack ) If you dont download it they dont get charged, if you do download it then they have to pay peanuts for the bandwidth and make a killing with the pofit..


It is true that not everything is this tiny in size, but your average map pack is 100 MB and runs in at £10.. Demos, while they generate no instant cash for the company they are what help to sell the game and even then.. It is controlled only the first 60 days are they charged (first 2 months) .. Makes perfect sense.. Its not an extortionate $50 a year while all the while you have advertisements pumped through to you on the NXE..


Thank you psxextreme for putting out such a level headed response regarding this.. How appropriate that it is all from unverified anonymous sources...

All things considered, why doesn't Sony start pumping adverts onto the XMB ? I wouldn't mind if it enables them to remove the associated cost and keep the service free..

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karneli lll
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:06:56 PM
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I read that article and thought it's just another hit seeking ploy. Though it does answer a lot of questions concerning the psn store content.

Its sad that it has to come to this but life's life, its me or them and i prefer it be them.

Either way, having 100 demos does'nt do much in the end, i'd rather be at Home (Xi update tomorrow) than download demos for games i will never rent let alone buy.

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Cpt_Geez
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:08:32 PM
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Thats sucks for the publishers but its just business not personal. All the free stuff sony is offering us the money has to be made up some way. As long as they dont start charging us for the psn im cool with it.

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PSN _HAITIAN_JB
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:16:59 PM
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I don't like that move from sony now we'll be lucky to have 3rd party demo on psn

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:19:15 PM
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They really are running out of bullets for that gun, if this affects anyone, itll make fewer devs making demos, and I gotta tell ya... demos SUCK even for great games. DLC SUCKS, and it'll just force devs to actually complete their games on the disc. 360 gets all that exlcusive DLC that nobody wants anyway, so I don't give a rip.

No intelligent person would let this factor into a console purchase. The industry is gettin desperate and grasping at straws because Sony is going to destroy MS at GDC.

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ImTheMan
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:27:16 PM

dlc sucks? alot of dlc is great and adds longevity and value to the games YOU play.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:30:36 AM

like what? it's mostly worthless crap to bilk you out of money, even if Sony had Lost and Damned I wouldn't get it.

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rell
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 2:50:25 AM

@WorldEndsWithMe I couldn't agree more, but also maybe thats why there are certain ps1 games coming to psn store and not every ps1 titles, it make perfect sense because developers and publishers thinking about bandwidth fees. To me as long as sony keep there agreement with gamers on psn free service Im happy. M$ won't u give up and focus on creating better software.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 4:01:47 AM

I take that back, sorta, its trash unless its for something like warcraft or burnout paradise, otherwise... just content held hostage that coulda been on the disc.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 4:15:58 AM

I'm not sure rell, (bear that in mind) but I think Sony can put up all the PS1 games they want because the bandwidth there would be theirs to handle, and they can't very well charge themselves.

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Qubex
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:22:49 AM

It's typical for commercial companies to "inter-charge" amongst departments... If they feel they can sell enough PS1 games to warrant the bandwidth fee then why not... remember, only once the person has actually bought that PS1 title will Sony permit a download...

Therefore the download bandwidth fee would be automatically included.

Q!

"i am home"

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crapreviews
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:20:17 PM
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first im not convinced this is true yet. second, this could be a bad thing for us consumers in the fact that devs may take this fee into consideration and end up charging us more for games to download or DLC.

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JasperLoons
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:19:34 AM

I think I could manage an extra dollar per 6.25gb's.

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FeyeR
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:24:30 PM
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Ben, its true to say that 1 million downloads is a little absurd... But when demos of, lets say, Gran Turismo and GOWIII drop on the psn, I think we'l be hitting that 1 mil mark, if not more.

But then again, for those develepors, it wont be that much of a biggy.

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Jed
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:25:05 PM
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"you'll be sorry you don't own an Xbox 360,"


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Tim Speed24
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:42:42 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!.......AAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I agree. That is funny!

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RadioHeader
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 10:29:19 AM

Yes, we should all migrate to the 360 where WE pay for the advertising instead of the developers. LOL

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 11:02:28 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....I rather own a Virtual Boy than a 3fixme

One of these days, when that guy's 360 overheats and blows his house up in flames, he'll be sorry he didn't get rid of it on e-bay...

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N a S a H
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:40:23 PM

I bet none of you have ever owned a 360. Stop being ignorant fanboys. Just because a blog on MTV says something about 360 it doesn't mean you can go bashing something which you don't have a clue about.

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Itdoesntmatter
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 1:46:33 PM

I had 3 360's and they all RROD'd on me...go look me up my gamertag is: GMyth....

The 360 is a joke of a system, I saw no use for it on the rare ocassions when it wasn't gettin repaired...i got tired of Halo and Gears of War, they both scream TEENAGER at me...that system has no games other than those two (i hear it has RPGs but im not into that genre), all of its "exclusives", I just download the game torrent on a pc (cant do that with ANY ps3 exclusive)

My 360s were louder than my vacuum cleaner, it was hotter than my central heating system, it broke down on me like a cheap suit every time, it lagged on me all the time AND i still had to pay to play and to top it off it was gaming with mostly loud/obscene kids across America that find it fascinating to yell racia/sexuall slurs...the entire system felt so outdated...from the DVD cases to the batteries in the controllers, to the disc tray poppin out...etc...also i cannot handle the message the consumers are sending out there that advertising does more for their pockets than hardware reliability...people have shown they have no problems buying multiple systems if it breaks on them, maybe Sony should make shoddy hardware too? Make more money that way...

If a Microsoft spokesman (and basically everyone who has adopted Sony bashing as a sport) can hold a press release that is nothing but an anti-Sony PS3 bashing, then I can do the same on a website...

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ImTheMan
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:32:49 PM
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This KIND OF only affects the publishers. No one is going to choose one console over another just because of this.

Like someone choosing Burger King over McDonalds because Mcdonalds charges Heinz to sell their ketchup and Burger King doesn't.

Albeit a bad move, I think Sony is doing this because they were in the red last year and this could help them somewhat.

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Chaps
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:36:30 PM
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I don't seem to understand the fee. Do WE as gamers have to pay anything, or its only the Devs?

I don't think they should have added that Fee, but if it doesn't cost me, I'm okay. Also, I'd appreciate if "journalists" now a days did a bit of research before writing articles.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:51:52 PM

Just the publishers. The Network is still free for all.

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somethingrandom
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:39:15 PM
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I'll be sorry I don't own an XBOX 360 when? LOL I'll be sorry I don't own an XBOX 360 when Obama saves the world. I mean, I guess it makes an excellent doorstop while doubling as an unreliable space heater.

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 6:34:53 PM

LOL...Obama saves the world...

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BigTonesAUS
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:47:26 PM
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I think this is a brillent move by sony. First of all developers will reconsider making shitty DLC for games and just add that content to the orginal disk like it should be (i'm looking at you PoP) and second why shouldn't they be charged. They want us to buy there game right? well sell it to me baby, make me a great and awesome game that will blow my socks off and make the demo show that, then i'll give you your cash.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:33:08 AM

Bump

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Fenrir
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 4:07:18 AM

And thats the bottom line!

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cegmp
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 6:34:26 AM

I agree.
@ Fenrir
Because StoneCold says so!!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself...

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Tim Speed24
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:46:00 AM

Now there's some forward thinking BigTones.

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Luiscosmo2
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 9:09:34 AM

Let your OPonion be heard BIg tones. Very very good point!

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gumbi
Sunday, March 22, 2009 @ 11:52:49 PM
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Oh come on, seriously. Posting advertising typically costs money right?... demo's are basically advertising. So you mean to tell me that a publisher who's made a game big enough and good enough to warrant 1 million downloads of it's 1Gb demo wouldn't be willing to cough up a little dough to get that kind of exposure? Besides, if it's really that big a deal just make a smaller demo.

And as far as paid DLC goes, who cares? The publishers can just tack an extra $0.16/Gb on the cost of the DLC and nobody will even notice. I wouldn't. "OH NO!! that new rockband song is $2.01 instead of $2.00, the end is nigh. DAMN YOU SONY!!"

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NeutralGamer_86
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:14:40 AM

I agree with gumbi. Besides, if the game is any good they will make their money back.

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JasperLoons
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:21:59 AM

Very well put. I think this move has a touch of brilliance myself.

In fact, I could see MS hopping on this idea real quick so they could at least lower the cost of xbox live.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:36:05 AM

Well done gumbi, now get that finger outta my face :)

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Luiscosmo2
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 9:07:41 AM

I've never thought about it that way...well I've nevr thought about it..But anyway good point Gumbi. It is just a playable ad.

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CH1N00K
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 9:19:52 AM

I was thinking the same thing, This is just an advertising cost. How many companies don't spend $160,000 on Advertising? Sure the PSN may suffer a bit, but this isn't going to affect it too much.

This is just something for the Anti PS3 people to add to the fire. Why isn't anyone saying that Sony are charging the publishers so that the end customer doesn't have to pay more...or they could charge the customer and end up with the same thing Microsoft is doing...

Why are there so many people willing to overlook what Microsoft is doing? It seems that no matter how good of a system Sony has made, it's been nothing but bad publicity for it since day one. And yet it's still here...

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migabyte
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 9:22:56 AM

That's what I was thinking. Also they could charge 15 cents for a demo....that's the cost of...well....nothing....and since it's all VISA, it can be done....hey why not charge 30, then everyone wins.......and the consumer won't care.

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kb8mvp81
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:33:25 AM
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oh yeah by the way everyone the secret game is either gta5, mg5, kh3, or ff7 remake

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Qubex
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:34:00 AM
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Ben, your article speaks my mind... well put. As long as the network remains free for me I am happy; if Sony want to charge me to play online I would sell my PS3 presto, invest in a decent PC and play online with my uncapped 20 dollar 2mb cable internet connection...

What Sony has done is correct. Its a good filter of sorts. We will see quality and not rubbish one hopes...

The other comments from that article you quote about people migrating in droves to the 360, or reasons why people would not now chose a PS3, are just stupid and short sighted...

Lets all remember one thing... the 360 had a one year head start... the PS3 has done EXCEPTIONALLY well, with a year disadvantage under its belt, to be in sights of over taking 360 within the next 12 to 18 months... it sounds long but it isn't, especially with a price drop in hand... to have come back from a years launch delay and still be 5-7 million consoles away from 360 is a mighty fine achievement I must add...

Q!

"i am home"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:38:58 AM

I agree with Qubex, I think most people here cling to their PS3 not because of fanboyism (I'm looking at you LIVE cost defenders) but because the damn thing is just so attractive in every aspect. I realize an outsider coming in here would probably just see a Sony love-in but the fact is we choose the best because we want the best, and so far... we HAVE the best.

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Qubex
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 2:17:58 AM

I agree with you "WorldEndsWithMe"; very true... you pay for the best... in quality, production value and style... and now exclusives... it is all happening and will only get better...

Q!

"i am home"

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cegmp
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:00:00 AM

True. I'm just happy with the quality product that I got.

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Deleted User
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:44:27 AM
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I don't see what the big deal over this is. It's just business. Again, as Ben said, it's just another way for paid-off "Xbots" (I use it in quotes because these guys are paid by MS to be Xbots) to rip the PS3 for no other reason except it's fashionable and they are taking dirty money to do so.

Again, I like the 360. I owned two of them. However, the 360 controller gave me arthritis, I didn't want to pay $60 any more to play online with a bunch of kids, the console has durability issues and there is little in the way of exclusives that interest me. That's my opinion and I think if all these journalists, bloggers and websites weren't on the take, that's what they would say, too.

I think long ago we all decided to ignore this crud. We all know the truth about MS and the media being in bed together and only the Xbots are deluded enough to believe that's not true.

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ThugNificent101
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 1:46:10 AM

Most Xbots actually pay Microsoft to be Xbots... =)

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NeutralGamer_86
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:53:17 AM
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It might be a shot in the dark, but if sony were thinking of doing a price drop, could this be a way of deferring the amount of money they would loose on every console sold to the publisher?

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Qubex
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 2:21:36 AM

NeutralGamer_86... very interesting point... another way to "responsibly" claw some money back to minimise the impact of lost revenues... I just have this gut feeling that within 24 months everything will be very different... Sony will be making a profit and would have surpassed 360 in sales... time, it is always time...

Q!

"i am home"

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chicko1983
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 1:02:16 AM
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this probably explains why Capcom never released SFII HD in Australia....

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BigTonesAUS
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 1:37:23 AM

Nah dude I mark that one down to someones smart arse marketing idea for SF4. Conversation prob went like this;
"SF4 comes out this year, how can we grab everyones attention? Oh i know, instead putting SSF2HD out asap to get everyone into SF again lets release it the same week that SF4 comes out. Yeah thats an awesome idea, i'm so super cool"

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Kevadu
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 1:29:47 AM
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The idea of charging publisher's for bandwidth is not inherently unreasonable but $.16/GB seems *really* high. Is that number reliable? I mean, you can find web hosting that's on the order of 1 cent per GB, and they're making money purely off the hosting. Sony actually has a vested interest in publishers using their servers. Maybe it's actually .16 *cents* per GB...those pesky factors of 100.

BTW, if you actually read the article you'll notice they say this fee has been in place since October 2008. So...we clearly haven't had any demos since then, right?

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CH1N00K
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 9:28:17 AM

Cell phone companies charge something like $0.05/KB or something like that to surf online if you don't buy the 50+ dollar a month plan...$.16/GB sounds reasonable really. And like Ben said, how many demos do you see that are over a GB? Only the big name ones. GT5 and GOW III will probably have good sized demos, but games like those are system sellers, which means that the publisher will get their money back, Sony will make money, and we still get free PSN...

I think this is a good way to do it. Publishers will think twice about putting up just any old game onto the network, they'll only put up something that is going to be a seller. That means that there will be more higher quality games in PSN.

Everyone makes money, we don't pay more money...how is this a bad thing?

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THEVERDIN
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 2:07:51 AM
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It won't belong before we'll have to pay to download premium demo's such as the likes of a KZ2 or GT5.

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Qubex
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 2:22:39 AM

Techy, I don't think so... but if it happens I will eat a ram chip :)

Q!

"i am home"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 4:05:14 AM

I doubt it too, but 360 users already do it with non-premium demos. They pay for LIVE, then they get the likes of the RE5 demo (for example) a little early.

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Alienange
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 5:29:59 AM

Do we pay for superbowl commercials? Nah, KZ3 demo will still be free for you and I.

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CH1N00K
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 9:31:39 AM

They are already charging for Premium Themes, this is a possibility, but like I've said already, A premium game is going to generate Hype, Hype generates revenue. I imagine that the Premium titles will remain free, the publisher will just swallow the cost as advertising/marketing costs.

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convergecrew
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 2:26:00 AM
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Ben, I support your offensives against such poor journalism, but I think you should also discourage PSX readers from clicking on the site--the less attention these articles get the better, or am I wrong?

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Qubex
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:00:58 AM

Convergecrew... I think its best to be open about these things...

The maturity of the majority of the readers here becomes an incubator for sensible intellectual discussion... not the drivel we read and see within 90% of the internet...

Ben knows that the majority of readers here have a decent level of IQ and intelligence... you can see it in the way we discuss points... sometimes having a little fun we relapse... but ultimately... there is sensibility and trust here... and if we have hellish articles to read on other sites, you know you can return to PSXE and find your soul again...

Q!

"i am home"

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 10:19:00 AM

I have to link to the source I'm referring to; people need to read the article so as to fully understand my rebuttal.

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Alienange
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:46:00 PM

Jeepers kreepers convergecrew. You make it sound like no one would have read that article unless Ben linked to it.

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Blaiyan
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 8:34:31 PM

I agree with convergecrew. If a site is going to post negative trash against ps3 to get hits then I don't want to give them even one. Problem is how do you know what's really said unless you've read it? There's been many times when someone post an article about whatever in a forum and then post something that isn't accurate. But i'm willing to take my chance here so i'm going to pass on hitting the link.

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rell
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 2:35:58 AM
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Wat I don't understand is why shes's bring up old news. lts so much hate been going on about the ps3 sense its first day launch and now after kz2 cameout the ps3 hate lvl double and now this sony charging publishers and developers maintenance fees where does it end. M$ must have payed her off to talk about this. Don't she have other better things to do like cook dinner or clean her house. I say ps3 owners better put on your body armor because its going to get even worst from here before its gets better. M$ is desperate unsuspect the unsuspected I wouldn't be surprise if M$ purchase third party publishers and developers.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 4:07:08 AM

"Don't she have other better things to do like cook dinner or clean her house."

Oh, snap.

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thepill
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 4:31:30 AM
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This is hilarious, the media barely blinked an eye when Microsoft was limiting the size of files Devs could release over xboxLiVE, to me that was worse. I mean look LiVE users had to almost revolt inorder to get Street Fighter II as a live arcade game because capcom said they wouldn't sacrifice the quality of their game to meet the file limits. That whole fiasco led to numerous delays in the release of the game.

Think about it like this, if YOU were a dev and you had an item you wanted to put on PSN (lets say a downloadable game for instance), and this title has a single and a multi-player mode. Your game is lets just say 1.5Gb in size. If you wanted to get around the whole fee you could just split the game into TWO separate pieces of DLC, and make this whole thing a NON-ISSUE. The same idea works for every other piece of DLC you can think of.

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King James
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 5:13:59 AM
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I like the move from Sony. A good publisher will think twice about putting some crap demo on the PSN, now. And so what if the publishers have to pay more? THEY ARE PUBLISHERS! ITS WHAT THEY DO!

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Alienange
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 5:17:54 AM
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My secular job is sales. I call a lot of people. I would be rich if it only cost me 0.16usd (or is it yen?) to advertise to someone I already knew was interested in my product. Are you kidding me? "Here you go, 20 million interested customers. It'll cost you 16 cents to advertise to each one." That my friends is one frickin' good deal.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:51:39 PM

Caught your request on Playfire dude, I added ya.

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Alienange
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 4:27:31 PM

Let us bring the PS3 to the masses.

And thanks for the add.

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JohnnyGold
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 6:03:25 AM
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ben, im glad you wrote an op ed piece on this. i read the article at IGN, and couldnt believe the tone they took while writing it. when i glanced at their headline my initial thought was that we as consumers would have to start paying for content. instead, the cost has been shifted to the devs. great news thought i, until i was told by ign to think otherwise.

in all honesty, what is up with the media and xbox bias against the ps3? i mean... i would never get a 360 because im not really interested in games like halo or left for dead, and sonys exclusives generally look 10x better. but i dont NOT like 360s... i just find them slightly juvenile.

maybe the most pertinent piece of info weve stumbled across this year was that article that says the average 360 user is aged 12-17, and the average ps3 user is aged 18-24.

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TEG3SH
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:11:33 AM
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@ worldendswithme and qubex
go get a room u two .lol

damn am i the only one who will miss the demos?????? .
i love demos

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Qubex
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:23:44 AM

LOL!!! TheWorldEndsWithUs !!!

Q!

"i am home"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:53:17 PM

Who says we haven't? lol j/k

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Papa Burgundy
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:29:10 AM
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I love this move by sony, these publishers have been ripping us off on the psn for years. Look at those street fighter costumes, you can't honestly tell me those are not overpriced, and there are plenty of more examples like that on the psn. I love DLC as much as the next guy, but I also love how sony is finally making THEM pay.

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Robochic
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:40:24 AM
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Good move by sony. Plus i don't see that many demos that are worth my time to download the last demo i downloaded was RE5 the one before that was KZ2 (beta) and LBP (beta) but these are all good games, i don't see the purpose of putting a demo out for every single game like Bejeweled or some elephant game. DLC i don't really download either,it's usually not worth it i would rather them put it in the game,i've already forked over 69-80 bucks for the game,the only DLC i download is stuff that they defently couldn't make for the game like LBP stuff and Rockband music.

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rezenu
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:59:24 AM
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*chuckles* I sure had a laugh out of this article. People can find time complaining about this fee but they don't say jack sh** about the royalties developers usually pay concerning the 360.

Just wow.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 1:01:47 PM

Especially the cost to manufacture multiple DVDs, MS SLAMS them to make more than one, causing the game to suffer.

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LightShow
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 8:44:03 AM
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lots of people don't realize that 1GB is, in regards to demo size, a HUGE number. I personally haven't witnessed a demo that broke 400MB (for computer illiterate, 1000MB=1GB)

And a million downloads? Has ANY single piece of content broke 1m downloads? I personally don't know, but I seriously doubt it.

I don't know why people think this is a big deal. So far, besides hype, Demo's are the only source of free advertising for a game, and publishers know this. Now sony has decided to implement a /i nominal /i fee so it can get a few extra bucks for hosting these demos. Big deal.

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LegendarySai
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 9:07:10 AM
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hahaha. sum ppl... why do these ppl hate the ps3 so much?! seriously tho, this is barely gonna b noticed by publishers. and who releases 1 gig demos anyway...

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zerostar39
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 9:19:55 AM
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The thing I like about XBL is that just about any game on there has a demo you can try. I was trying to find a demo for PAIN on the PSN the other day and I couldn't find one. I cant justify throwing down $10 for this game if I don't even know if I'll like it.

So if this move by Sony means even less demos, I think its gonna suck. I rarely buy a game without trying it first.

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Alienange
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 9:34:49 AM
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I don't see Epic complaining. A nice free 550meg dlc for a two year old game that costs 10-20usd NEW. Are they all worried about the 0.08usd charge? No. Neither have they released it on xbl. Some companies have class. Thank you Epic.

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Nynja
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 9:48:57 AM

Yup. It's got me playing UT3 again and loving it all over.

Kudos for Epic Games.

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Alienange
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 10:15:02 AM

Look me up. I'm loving it too and I'll have to get the "finish a co-op campaing" trophy. Same name on psn.

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RadioHeader
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 10:31:48 AM
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Yes, we should all migrate to the 360 where WE would pay for advertising instead of the poor developers. LOL

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maxpontiac
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 10:58:58 AM
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Nice article Ben.

Unfortunately, I feel Americans as a whole are to gullible (yes, I am from the USA) at times. For proof, all you need to do is follow any recent event in this country whether it be political in nature, or simply buying into the newest fad.

The problem for Sony (and the PS3 specifically) is that article will influence people into purchasing a 360. Why?
- The negative issues surrounding the RROD are still being kept under wraps (EC 74 will go away too).
- Any perceived weakness the PS3 has is still being exploited on a constant (albeit slower)basis.
- Xbots are far, far more vocal then PS fanboys. Search the net, you'll see what I mean.
- PS3 is more expensive, and selling the least amount of consoles this generation.
Until the above (and other issues as well) comes to halt, the PS3 will always have a bullseye on it (especially by US media).

As far as the one developer who has gone on record about the charge, I would love to see who this company is, and I would be willing to bet that M$ has lined it's pockets with some sort of "exclusive" set up.

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Alienange
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:48:19 PM

It was probably Peter Molyneux.

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Xplicit
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 11:07:23 AM
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Something like his was bound to come. This is why you have to pay for live, Sony has to host everything and because we don't pay it means they are loosing money, they have to get it from somewhere and instead of taking it directly from the consumer they take it from the devs, which could lead to more Xbox 360 exclusives then we want.

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slugga_status
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 11:46:09 AM
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I saw a question stating "why people hate on the ps3 so much." Two reasons 1. They can't afford it 2. They are Xbot/Halo/M$ concubines.

Seriously this is no news or blow at all to Sony. BigTones said it best. If you want me to shell out $60 for your game then that demo better make me want it b/c we all know we see virtually no advertising outside the PSN.

It's like they want people to buy more and more 360's but then the same people go out and buy Blue-Ray players..Now in my mind that makes absolutely no sense but people do anything to slam sony but use their HD products.

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slugga_status
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 11:49:55 AM
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I doubt this leads to more exclusives for the 360 either. It hasn't so far..I mean what really could M$ get as an exclusive other than DLC. Certainly not any high quality games as there is more power in the PS3 that devs are finding out fast. And I'm sure they seen what's being done with PS3 exclusives and want to top it

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jaybiv
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:10:54 PM
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So we may get fewer demos. I'm going to cry. Who cares about a demo. Like it was stated earlier, demos are not all that. They are basically interactive movie trailers.

I don't see anything wrong with Sony's fee. The vast majority of games have multi-million dollar budgets, so this fee is a drop in the bucket. Either the publishers pay it or me, and I wil not pay to play or download content online.

If the devs don't want to pay the fee, it's only going to make it harder to sell the marginal games that do not have the pre-release buzz like KZ2, Drake's 2, etc.

I think it's much ado about nothing really. The publishers know demos are the standard now and they cannot risk alienating a substantially large buying audience over a few nickels.

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shaydey77
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:29:20 PM
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All it means is that if you want to test a game simply rent it first! in my own experience demos fall far short of finished productions anyways.

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Diggity Dan
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 12:57:20 PM
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This is going to be one of those "let the market decide if it's the right move" scenarios. My gut tells me that Sony will regret this, and that developers may start neglecting the PSN for free demos and such. If that's the case though, Sony will be forced to retract this policy. As far as the consumer goes though, this shouldnt factor into a console decision though.

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dlte
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 1:13:06 PM
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i rather have the publisher be charged a couple cents than me being charged $50 annually..at least they can still go above 350MB..

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shooter9314
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 3:57:15 PM
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ok first of its not costin us so stop complainin dumbasses. second think of all the money most game companies make 60$ per game, and possibly get paid from sony if theyre exclusives, thers nuttin wrong if there was companies would b whinin

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Kangasfwa
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 4:03:25 PM
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MTV Multiplayer Blog:
"[Microsoft] has been delaying access to some of its downloadable content to non-paying Silver members in favor of those Gold subscribers." Wow. Just wow.

If the fee has been in place since October wouldn't we have noticed a content difference by now?

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mk ultra
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:16:50 PM

exacltly, there's more content coming out then ever.

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Gone
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 4:26:59 PM
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Zeebo console with 3G, has anyone heard of it?

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Sakitosai
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:15:47 PM
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I love Sony and the playstation way more than the Xbox, in fact I hate the Xbox because its done nothing more than screw me over (which is why I've only bought two to date). But this was a major mistake on Sony's part. Now the Xbox 360 is going to look even more appetizing to developers because they can put all the downloadable content that they want on its servers for free, while Playstation is trying to catch the wind expecting people to give them money when they can just do it for Xbox. The way I see this going down is Sony has pretty much lost this one to Xbox. This will be the last Playstation we see for a while (if not forever). Xbox makes the Xbox 720 and continues being the top dog for the next ten years like sony was five years back. Apple or possibly EA or something will create a new system to take Sony's place. Xbox gets taken down and ends up where Sony is now. Finally Nintendo becomes the next Disney and continues on for the next 200 years.

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mk ultra
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:28:34 PM

I don't think so Tim.

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Gone
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 7:42:19 PM

@mk ultra

Al, is that you?

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Dooby_Scooby
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 9:30:14 PM
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PSXExtreme is the voice of sanity. I am glad you guys have this publication to post something sane..

New tax year right ? Means Microsoft can allocate a new budget for advertising.. Notice all of the negativity in the press recently surrounding the ps3

I wish you hadn't linked to it.. I have never read so much bullshit in my life. Is the examiner famous in the US ? I hope not, seriously..

they use a cat held up by a gun to show how mean and nasty Sony are. I swear she is laughing all the way to the bank with this article


Read the end of it:

I don't know if Sony will be smart enough to back off of this plan or change the fees so they don't penalize good publishers with good demos. But until it does, I can almost hear the cackling from Redmond.

I wonder how much Microsoft paid her to write this. I can almost here Her cackling...

that is what you call a prime piece of FUD

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Sakitosai
Monday, March 23, 2009 @ 9:40:01 PM
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Tim?

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Blaiyan
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 1:09:17 AM
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It's obvious the ps3 haters are running out of attacks. This attempt was extremely lame. The worst part is the wave of ignorance that hit some gaming site threads and how some of the gullible ps3 owners are falling for it. It's the "oh no we're Doomed" brain trust again.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:06:17 AM
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Boy, that article was lame. This Edie Sellers woman refused to rebut anything because she knows she's wrong. The desperate attempts that MS goes to distort the truth shows why they are a distant Number 3 in my book. If you buy a console solely because it has the best free content then you're an idiot.

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