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Generational Clash Causing Major Rift Between Gamers

In the early days, gamers were all pretty much the same age, primarily because the industry was born beneath our very eyes and catered to a select demographic. But now, three decades later, we're witnessing a generational clash that will most certainly have a profound impact on the hobby we've all come to know and love. Younger gamers and older gamers appear to be a very different breed...

Take, for example, this SlapStik article. First of all, let me support the sentiment stated within: the economy is bad, games aren't cheap, and it may not seem logical to purchase something for $60 that only provides one with several hours of entertainment. In many ways, this is where the downloadable argument comes into play, as many of the younger gamers simply don't care much about expensive discs and would rather have comparatively cheaper digital downloads. And because multiplayer has become a massive phenomenon in recent years, it's a feature that many consider absolutely essential; this also dictates a purchase decision. However, there is something inherently flawed in this train of logic, and to the real gamers, it's an obvious flaw that causes teeth to grind and jaws to clench.

One can easily make the argument that not every game is worth $60, but then again, that same argument can be made for any set of entertainment products. Not every DVD is worth $20, either. We should also remind all the young'uns that video games routinely cost $50 and $60 twenty years ago, and if you factor in the obvious advancements and inflation, I would suggest you get down on your knees and be thankful that games today don't cost $100. But that's not the point. The point is this- the younger generation absolutely doesn't understand the value of certain things. A game is worth $60 for the exact same reason a goddamn text message doesn't compare to actually speaking to someone. With your noses buried in your phones, you've lost the ability to look someone in the eye and speak in a clear, intelligible voice. With nothing but a rental or a digital download, the fleeting experience of playing a game means a great deal less; you have nothing tangible to look upon in the years to come.

No, a crappy game isn't worth $60, but if a game like God of War III comes out and is "only" 10-12 hours long and you don't have it in your collection, that's a colossal waste. Should we even remind everyone that games of yesteryear were really only a few hours long, and the only reason they seemed longer is because it took a very long time to master...? No, why bother? Longevity isn't reliant upon multiplayer. It isn't reliant upon length (and neither is quality, for that matter). We indulge in this hobby because it's fun; because it's a singular form of entertainment that we identify with; because it's something from our past that we value. Anybody who builds a collection of anything is a true hobbyist, one who is passionate about his chosen leisure activity. I don't care if it's collecting bugs; that guy is not going to get the same entertainment out of going to a museum to view specimens as he is looking at his own specimens. We pay $60 for quality video games and keep them because they're a tangible representation of our enjoyment.

I realize this is difficult to understand for those who weren't around during the golden age of gaming. I'm aware that multiplayer is huge, and without it, many gamers (all tending to be of a younger age) lose interest rapidly. I also know that a certain age group seems to lose interest a hell of a lot faster in everything. The bottom line is that, ten years after it came out, I still wanted to play Final Fantasy VII. 15 years after it came out, I still wanted to pop in Super Mario Kart. SMK cost more than FFVII, by the way, but both have paid for themselves ten times over. I didn't need multiplayer; I didn't care that I only played one race the very first time I put in SMK, and I sure as hell don't regret paying the price of admission. In fact, I was very glad I was there at the start, and it all comes flooding back to me when I take a gander at my collection. There are many reasons not to spend $60 on a game, but one had best not lecture others by saying that unless the game is "long" or the person is rich, they'd be stupid to spend the money.

This obscene level of egoism that stands in the face of thirty years of gaming is causing a generational rift. Value, sentiment, tangible, perspective...why are all these words lost on a younger generation? ...can I blame it on the texting again?

3/24/2009 Ben Dutka

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Comments (100 posts)

WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 6:47:13 PM
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OMG Ben, holy crap I don't believe it, I JUST posted my own article on Generational conflicts in the forums!!!

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King James
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:08:02 PM

gonna go read it now.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:46:56 PM

LOL Yeah, I saw.

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dillonthebunny
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 6:59:35 PM
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spooky...

mind you.. Ive never seen Ben and you in the same room at the same time... I wonder if... hmmmm



anyway, as a gamer since the birth of gaming I think younger gamers dont know what its like to play through a game such as manic miner and wonder what the hell things could be like 20 years on, or simply play SpyHunter at home (wtf.. AT HOME)... OMG, arcade gaming in your bedroom.. IT DOES NOT GET BETTER THAN THIS!



...but it does, and I dont think or see how younger gamers can possibly appreciate it, its not their fault. they may say they understand it, but there is no way on earth they can.

the best a lot of these guys can come up with is "hey.. I remember when Sonic first came out"... er, yeh ok.

being at the birth of a sonic game is cool.. and yeh, landmark! its not the same, but at the end of the day we all start our gaming from somewhere.. whether it be Cybernoid, Sonic or GT5.

we should pull together as gamers, but this stupid console war is what is pulling people apart.

I was reading some reviews on silent hill 1... there were no fanboys back then, the reviews were honest and factual.. zip forward 10 years to the latest Silent Hill game and there is so much hate, its terrible... I shed tears of blood.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:54:24 PM

The Bunny is Funny :)

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tlpn99
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 3:24:10 PM

I agree with you Dillon. I too grew up on Manic Miner and Spy Hunter in the arcades. Yes I had Spy Hunter still got it I think somewhere with my Commodore 64 etc.

For me as a kid going on holiday to Pontins or Butlins (its a holiday camp for those friends in the states and other countries, those in UK will know what im on about lol, they were cheap holidays for familys) anyway the first thing I remember doing as my cousin did as well he's as mad about games near enough as I am cept now he has a baby to look after so finds time to game harder. Anyhow first thing we did was check out the arcade see what new stuff was out and we spent most of our money in the arcade during that holiday.

There was a bit of war between the Spectrum owners and the C64 owners but it was friendly. I went to my mates house and played on his speccy and we played on the C64 when at mine. We coded on each others machines copied games out of magazines by writing them in ourselfs

The my machine is better than yours was a joke between us as friends now its all over by strangers. It is ridiculous. You should like what you have and not bash others or flame others about what they like or dont have. At the end of the day you make your choice.

So many memories coming back now thinking of the good days. One of my friends who I used to work with said "Were now in the Golden Age of gaming" and looking back at the time you always think they cant get any better than this surely and lo and behold someone comes up with another brilliant game. :)

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Kangasfwa
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:02:32 PM
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Amen to that Ben.

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King James
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:07:12 PM
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AMEN, Ben. I look at my FF, God of War, MGS, GTA, and Tekken collection with love and great memories of countless hours lost.

I been down with gaming since I developed hand-eye coordination. Born in 86, been gaming since 88.

And who said multiplayer had to be required? I can't stand when ppl (regular gamers and critics) knock a game for not having some type of game mode like online multiplayer (competitive and co-op), or even offline co-op multi-player. They did it with Killzone 2 and they are gonna do it with Infamous, Heavy Rain, Alan Wake, Max Payne 3, Uncharted 2, etc.

And that texting reference is hilarious, Ben. Good read.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:19:13 PM

double Amen, if a game shoudn't have multiplayer to begin with, how could it be counted against them that it doesn't have one?

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Sir Shak
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:22:20 PM

single player > multiplayer . That is all .

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:17:28 PM

You know King James, you just brought me down memory lane there... I remember when reviewers started doing that. Bashing games because there was no online. I still remember the anger that swelled up inside me. Today it's seems to be the norm, but that anger still lingers.

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thepill
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:07:15 PM
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Bravo!!! Ben, Bravo!!! I just read about some product that was shown at GDC, I think it's called On Demand Live or something like that. It is basically a download game service/player(all digital). Give me PHYSICAL MEDIA any day. I have a collection of over 2000 games spanning several generations of console gaming, and I wouldn't trade it for all the digital CRAP in the world. I can't imagine having people visit my house and show off my collection of HARD-DRIVES.

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King James
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:10:19 PM

I just say the video for that thing on G4tv.com. I like the idea, but I don't think I like not having the physical media.

What if I don't have internet...I can't play my single player games???!!! Thats BS!

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:18:35 PM

OnLive will be an epic fail.

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Vivi_Gamer
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:09:05 PM
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I blame first person shooters

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King James
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:10:41 PM

lol. u always blame shooters.

I personally blame the parents.

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:07:59 PM

I blame the sex and violence on television, oh and bunnies. Bunnies are always the culprit.

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:55:58 PM

@Ultima Dream

You got a point. I play COD4 like an addict but Im a bit in the middle agers among gamers (23 years old). My Dad was a street fighter nut and we, as a family, used to settle our scores on Mortal Kombat (3 was our fave).

That being said kids, nowadays at least, just don't appreciate the blood sweat n tears of these devs. We could've only wished for online multiplayer of GT or even MK. That however would NEVER be the buy point just the "Cherry on top".

Shooter addicts just want that twitch adrenaline inducing game. The pleasure of destroying another person rather than sitting through a story like MGS4. Sad days. I know a guy that has NEVER even played the awesome campaign of COD4!!!

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:51:51 PM

That's all that needs to be said

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Jed
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:15:18 PM
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The text messaging is destroying the country.

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thepill
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:32:37 PM

You're right it's just making them illiterate. I think the actual fall of our society started with VELCRO shoes, and Digital Watches.

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:57:37 PM

Its like 1984 and the way they wrote in "Newspeak"

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Qubex
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 12:22:30 AM

The very way people spell words will change due to the short hand employed when text messaging... to save the odd character or 2 :)

Q!

"i am home"

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Orvisman
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 9:27:44 AM

Yep. That and cellphone usage. I mean, it used to be that people would turn off their cells in a theater, especially when prompted to do so by the trailer theaters run.

These days, I'm constantly distracted by people texting during movies, chatting on their cells, or just plain old shooting the horse puckey [edit to avoid filter] with their buddies like they're hanging out on the corner pounding 40s.

End of rant!

As an editor and writer, it pains me to see the rise of illiteracy among the young of this country. All these young-uns do these days is play videogames, text, surf the net, and watch TV/movies. In my opinion ... Sorry... IMO ... kids do not read enough and that, as well as texting, is leading to a rising illiteracy among the youth of the U.S.

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jaybiv
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:16:42 PM
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Calmate Big Ben! Looks like they got your racing car in the red there man, lol. But you hit the nail right on the head with this one. I was thinking about this last night as I witnessed a near race riot on COD5 last night.

It's not just with video games though. These youngsters today live in a world of instant gratification. They can't fathom a world where you had to get up and change the channel on the tv. Or use a hanger to improve the tv reception. Or no call waiting and a dial up phone. Where being told "no" by your parents hardly ever changed to a "yes".

Remember taping songs off the radio and going crazy when the DJ spoke over either the beginning or the end of the song? How about when MTV was nothing but videos?

Kids nowadays are three mouse clicks away from the lastest music/movies/games, their BFFs and anything else in this world. Video games to them are temporary distractions in an already chaotic life.

If only they knew what we had to go through to get to this point, maybe their attitudes would be different.

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King James
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:21:00 PM

Man,................I remember ALL of dat.

Thanks for inducing the nostalgia, Jaybiv.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:45:42 PM

Yeah, well said. I remember all that, too. :)

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thepill
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:51:46 PM

Bro, it's so funny sometimes I think about the stuff we had back in the day that my kids have NO CLUE how to work, ie the ROTARY PHONE. It's hilarious, sometimes I just mess with their friends when the come over and ask to use the phone, and I pull out the BEAST and say "sure, go ahead", and look at the expression of ABSOLUTE confusion on their faces.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:13:12 PM

LMAO

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:21:38 PM

If I ever have kids I can't wait to tell them when I grew up we didn't even have cell phones.

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jaybiv
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:43:16 PM

How did we ever survive back then.

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:28:02 PM

jaybiv just described my life.

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King James
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 10:49:48 PM

@thepill

LOL! Thats is so comical. I literally laughed out loud. LMAO...the "beast"...Where can you get rotary phone anyway?

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infekt
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 11:20:58 PM

Dude! I still got that "brick" of a cell phone my dad used back in the day. It was like it was from the future. hhhhhmmm.. I miss my crappy beige gameboy too.. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.. Okay wait! Does anyone remember the Nintendo Game and Watch handhelds?!

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Qubex
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 12:23:40 AM

My goodness ThePill, is it that bad!!!

Q!

"i am home"

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karneli lll
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 1:19:16 AM

"Remember taping songs off the radio and going crazy when the DJ spoke over either the beginning or the end of the song?"

Cant... stop... laughing.rewinding and fowarding tapes when you want to listen to a song again,haha

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Orvisman
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 9:33:44 AM

Yep!

We're all starting to sound like our dads and grandads.

"You know, when I was your age I had to walk 20 miles to school... uphill... in the snow... barefoot."

"You know, when I was your age we didn't have these newfangled game systems and game carts. No siree, we had a cardboard box to play with... and we were lucky to have that!"

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ps92117
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:29:37 PM
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This for some reason reminds me of ff7, hmm.

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ThugNificent101
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:30:50 PM
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BLAME IT ON TEXTING!!!

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thepill
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:34:17 PM

rotfl!!! lol!!! PLZ stp it hrtz...

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Tommmm0858
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:34:35 PM
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What age group is to be considered the younger generation of gamers? I hope at 16 that I'm not part of it, because in Ben's words, I do enjoy having my tangible representation of enjoyment. I take pride in my relatively large and expensive collection of games. I've only ever rented one game in my life, Haze... But maybe this article is aimed at my age group, and I'm just a minority. Either way, I do agree to some degree. Kids these days seem to be all about the multiplayer for sure. And mostly seem to only be interested in the mainstreem generic popular titles such as COD4/5, and halo. But, I don't think that gamers should pull together, that's where I dissagree, at least for this generation. Competition is what fuels the market. It's my belief that the reason many developers have tried so hard with the ps3, where evidently they have not with the 360, (I'm talking Killzone 2, Uncharted 1/2, God of war etc.) is because of all the negative attention the ps3 has gathered being the underdog. I remember shortly after Killzone 2 footage was first shown, and gears of war 2 was first announced, Microsoft stated that gears of war 2 would raise the bar for graphics, and they infered that they would be better than killzone 2. And it's that kind of competition that pushes the developers to do great things. Anyways, my rant is over, thanks for reading :)

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:01:38 PM

Well I think that you can never pigeon hole everyone in a certain demographic but I for one would say that 16 is in the younger generation of gamers, but like I said not everyone is going to fit the mold. I am sure there is a 32 year old gamer out there chomping at the bit for digital download and texting away to all his "peeps" while sucking down a latte and jamming out the door to go catch the latest Ben Aflick film.

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Sir Shak
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:07:59 PM

I think what Ben is implying does not only concern the chronological diference in age , but also the vast difference in attitude of gamers that can be seen in the recent years .

Gamers have become increasingly online oriented and there is a general feeling among older gamers that good single player experiences may not be appreciated as much as they used to .

I am 20 by the way , so I am not that aware of the birth of gaming but I have been gaming for 16 years . Ben on the other hand is 30 , in the gaming world that is like being a grandfather . ;)

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:31:36 PM

Tom has given us hope.

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jaybiv
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 10:00:18 PM

Hey Little Dude, you are part of this generation that we are talking about, however, you seem to be one who comes into it with respect for the history, which is very honorable.

We all can go back and play the older systems. That's not the focus of Ben's commentary. It's the shared evolution of gamers and systems that separate the old school from the new school.

I guess it's hard to appreciate what you have when that is all you know. I commend you for being part of the new crowd that vibes more with us older veterans. At the end of the day, we play to have fun and that what it's all about.

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N a S a H
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:37:06 PM
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If all games become digital content we might as well all become PC gamers TBH.

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Sir Shak
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:53:36 PM
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I hate the whole text message revolution . I only text someone when I have something real to say and not crap like 'lol wassup' . And I only message someone if I can't talk at the time .

And fu** facebook too .

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Qubex
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 12:25:34 AM

Yhea, I feel the same!

Q!

"i am home"

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Douchebaguette
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 7:20:50 PM

Right on.

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LegioN
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:56:56 PM
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Ben, i get the feeling you looked at the OnLive thing and then wrote this lol.

But i do agree with you. I'll cry the day i can't look under my tv and see my pile of games. Just looking at them gives me memories of good times. And those memories alone are worth $60.

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 7:58:48 PM
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Ah to be on the verge of 30 and whole heartedly agree that "kids these days..." I wonder if this is what leads to all generational gaps. We, the older, we born at the birth of something we feel to be substantial and they, the younger, now participate but take for granted, and not purposefully mind you, but for granted nonetheless our struggle and hardships to be where we are today. We remember ET on the Atari, we remember Superman 64 and when Duke Nukem was an actual game. Now kids have Haze which I guarantee if it came out 20 years ago with time period graphics but 4 way co-op we would have all sh*t golden bricks. We can remember blowing out carts and banging the top of systems to make them work, and they have finger prints to wipe. Don't get me wrong I love where gaming has gone and where it can go but with out the history of it all then you have no real reference to the here and now and trying to explain a history of a media is forever going to fall short on those who did not live it.

So all of you older gamers, we are the living history of gaming, we grew up with it we in a sense molded it into what it is because we bought what was good and more of it came, we are the flesh and blood legacy, and the younger generation can't comprehend that and like someone said it isn't their fault it just isn't possible for them to do so. You can't, as an old school gamer expect them to get it totally either, I mean who the h*ll here really knows the feeling of gathering around the radio to catch the nightly news or the latest chapter in "The Shadow"?

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LegioN
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:11:40 PM

I agree. Now i know how my parents felt whenever they used to pull the old "back in my day" line, or "you kids these days" when it came to other things. It's an eye opener.

It's crazy to think that we are them now, and the younger generation will be saying the same thing about the generation to follow them, when gaming is all virtual and nobody even has a hard drive of digital memories to look back on.

The circle of life eh guys? The circle of life..

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:37:33 PM

hey coverton, if we molded the gaming industry, then why aren't there any more Ultima games? I'll be damned if Ultima 7 (and part 2) didn't blow my socks off. I paid 60 bux for those games. Ultima Underworld 1 and 2? Richard Garriott needs a kick in the nads.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:14:24 PM
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I think that article was just a way to slam GOWIII before it comes out.

My collection is precious to me like Gollum and the ring. Rent, beat, send back isn't how I operate. It's: buy only the best, beat, add to collection for a later date.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:14:37 PM

That kid's a 360 fanboy to begin with (just read the other stuff on that blog), so you might be right.

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Wage SLAVES
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 3:03:18 PM

Exactly how I roll.

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Morals
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:26:21 PM
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Ok well ide say im in the middle of the new generation and the old generation because i have a NES, SNES, PS2, & a PS3 hooked up to my hdtv. even though im only about 16 years old ive been playing video games casually since i was about 3 on my dads sSNES, which is now mine, and cant help but die of nostalgia every time i play super mario bros, and didn't really get into video games until i played MGS1, I beet that game on hard at age 7 and played nothing but GTA and MGS games up until MGS4, which i would have bought a PS3 for if it got 1.0 rating on every site on the internets, and since now i have a job and no bills to pay, thats mums job, i can pretty much buy every single game i want, thus my game backlog is backed up until 2012.

I agreed with everything you said, Hard Copy any day over soft copy, Multiplayer is not necessary in a game, and I always find my self playing MGS1 over again even though i could be playing something like valkiria chronicles.

ohh and im new to this site BTW.

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:43:22 PM

Morals. Do yourself and your mom a favor. Give her two hundred bux. For no reason. On a wednesday.

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Qubex
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 12:28:06 AM

Yhea, help your family just a little... a sense of understanding what the value of money is... because one day it may not be so easy Morals...

Q!

"i am home"

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karneli lll
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 1:28:52 AM

You'd better start saving as well,life can be cruel

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crapreviews
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:35:08 PM
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I've been around since the start of gaming when i was a young boy (gonna be 31 soon). it's weird though cuz i have to agree with both sides at this day of gaming.

I loved the old days of video games where they took hours to beat because you actually had to think about what you did, before you did it. there was only save points every now and then, unlike today where save points seem to be everywhere or just able to save anytime you want to. we have lost the challenge of actually gaming with skill and careful thought about what move to make next, cuz we knew the next save point wouldn't be for a long time.

on another note though, i do like the existence of muti-player gaming. i love being able to log online and game with tons of other people at anytime of the day or night. i was an only child growing up, and most my friends weren't really into video games like i was, so i was always playing alone by myself when i wanted to play with others.

still to this day i don't have many friends to game with on a regular basis, although that is getting a little better. i have noticed that more younger people (teens) are starting to get into gaming more these days. being able to log onto the network at anytime and play online with tons of other people is a great feature in my mind.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:55:21 PM

Remember when there was NO save points? haha, and shortly thereafter I never really understood how holding reset to power off your system allowed Zelda to save but man those were the days

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:02:09 PM

LOL! I never beat the original Mario Bros.! I guess I was too young and sucked too much. My favorite game then was Russian Attack!!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:57:13 PM

HAHA dude I used to think that's what it was too!! but it's actually Rush 'N' Attack ;)

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 10:11:45 PM

lmao

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Geobaldi
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 10:32:28 PM

I loved me some Rush 'N Attack back in the day. Used to go with my dad to work and just sit there all day playing that, Mr. Do, Ghouls and Ghosts, and Gunsmoke all day long. Was even better since they were set up to play for free.

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King James
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 12:30:14 AM

I used to be able to run through the entire 1st stage of Super Mario with my eyes closed. I couldn't dream of doing that now.

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Wage SLAVES
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 3:14:41 PM

Rush 'N' Attack! Damn it, I knew it didn't look right! :)

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TGG
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:42:40 PM
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I don't know dude, I don't understand it. And I'm eighteen, are you talking about someone younger than myself?

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Riku994
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 8:49:19 PM
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I completely agree with this Ben. It's sad that a kid won't buy a game because he can't shoot European kids in the head with his 12 gauge plasma rifle with a laser scope and 3X zoom. I may only be 16 but I still know quality when I see it. I still love Legend of Dragoon, and FF7, and especially old school Sonic, when it was a starting screen and a selection between 1 player, 2 player, or a code to unlock sound test and you could cheat to get all 7 chaos emeralds. You ask a kid who Sonic is today and they go "What?" Dont even think about mentioning the chaos emeralds... OH and when "Eggman" was called Robotnik. THOSE were the good days!

It's truly sad... The amount of rpg's now are hindered by the amount of shooters and 2 hour long hack 'n slash titles. This makes companies rpg's aren't what the kids or the "in crew" are into and it ruins it for all of us who enjoy a good quality game that takes us a good 20-30 hours to complete. Multiplayer should not have to be the selling point of a game.

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King James
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 12:32:59 AM

Wait...Wait...Wait....????

Dr. Robotnik is now called "Eggman"?????...Lame

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:01:31 PM
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Aahh, all the reminiscing is making me all misty eyed :)

I'm glad I've been around since the colecovision days, not to lord it over the young folks (and it appears we have some intelligent ones in here that know what they are talking about) but because it really makes you appreciate what is available now.

No worries though, that little kid who managed to trick his mom into buying Killzone 2 will one day have some very fond memories of staying up nights to bust heads with his friends online. It goes on and on and on...

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gumbi
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:02:13 PM
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gah... this whole online revolution thing is killing gaming for me. I mean, I get it, but I'm having a hard time jumping on this bandwagon. When dev's are sidelining the single player experience and the local multiplayer experience to make sure they have good online play... it makes me sad.

I mean, i love a good multiplayer game. But I would much rather invite a couple friends over, chill out on the couch with some beers and play some games. You know... REAL social interaction with REAL friends. I dunno, call me old fashioned I guess...

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herukuti
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:09:41 PM
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when a game uses more of myself that i am aware of and is called fun is a good indicator to me that games are not what i originally thought they were.im 29 this year and see games as an interactive reality.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:15:33 PM
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For the record, I certainly don't lump everyone under the age of 21 into the same category. Nothing is absolute in this life; I'm sure there are plenty of 16 and 18-year-olds out there who agree with me. :)

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ShamRock
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:28:38 PM
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loved the article , couldnt have said it better myself.im 28 and the first game i ever played was frogger on my uncles atari. My very first nes came with donkey kong.Dont really play online unless the kids are sleeping(5 kids = cant hear nothing.

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Wage SLAVES
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 3:12:34 PM

I have a newborn and I totally understand! Gotta wait til his mommy gets home so I can FINALLY kick ass online...

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sunspider13
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:44:30 PM
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Good article Ben...I'm 34 and my first game was Sinistar (BEWARE I LIVE! RUN COWARD RUN!) I'm very proud of my collection of games. I've been really picky about what I buy. Trying to justify not buying a game just because it doesn't have multi-player? Bah...

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Geobaldi
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 10:34:18 PM

"I HUNGER!!" Great game and a definite classic. Though most gamers nowadays don't know what you're talking about when you mention the title. *sigh*

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King James
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 12:41:09 AM

Yea...I don't know what you talking about...and I used to play Pong.

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:52:59 PM
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Well I'm just glad there are some under 20 that still read. Any fool with a computer can write a blog, but real journalism, I mean the real thing, that's when you read a point which is then strengthened with an example of a bug collector. That's what I'm talking about! That example is bang on. Who cares what you have on someone's server, I want it here in my hands!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 9:59:14 PM
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It's GREAT to see all these veteran gamers and collectors in here. So many memories...so much nostalgia... aaaahhh... :)

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Karosso
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 10:02:48 PM
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They should have a kind of Pulitzer prize for blogs, your articles would be at the top of the heap Ben, no doubt.
That is the same thing I argued with some friends about the new generation of gamers, I have played the Atari all the way to the PS3 (33 Years young and still gaming), and I can't think of not owning a great game that I love, it gives you this amazing satisfaction just looking at it on your collection.
There lots of generation rifts going on this days, like some of my friends criticizing Nintendo for making the so called kiddies friendly games and I ask myself, what is wrong with that? Kids should be able to enjoy the same experiences we did, I would not have my 8 years old nephew playing GTA4.
I believe this generation is kind of well balanced, Nintendo doing some fun light games for anyone to enjoy, MS is putting a good show as far as software is concerned, and Sony's PS3 is in my opinion, the most rounded console with a little bit of everything (not so much on the RPG side) for everyone, hardcore, casual and kids alike.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 10:17:15 PM

"They should have a kind of Pulitzer prize for blogs, your articles would be at the top of the heap Ben, no doubt."

That's high praise indeed, and I'll ignore the pressing urge to freak out about the "blog" label...

We are a WEBSITE, not a BLOG. ;) Really, thanks, though.

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Diggity Dan
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 10:24:50 PM
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I'm 30 and started gaming back in the days of the Commodore 64, NES and so on...

I too am not so crazy about multiplayer emphasis for every game, but I do have to say that on the whole, we're in the best time ever for video games. There's so much more variety and choice than there's ever been before, and I think this is a reflection of the increasingly large demographic of who plays games.

Several years ago, a game like "Little Big Planet" being put on a console by some unknown developer, and then going on to win all these GoTY awards would've been unthinkable.

Consoles and developers are now working harder and harder to compete for smaller and smaller niches (a lot like TV networks these days).

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Qubex
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 12:32:32 AM

Ah Diggity Dan; do you remember the quality of the System 3 games with fond memories? I do... The Last Ninja... what quality... and the music was amazing for its time.

Q!

"i am home"

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Banky A
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 10:40:10 PM
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Hey Ben, I'm even younger that your 16-18 age generalization (JUST), crazy yeah.

I moved away from near poverty, at the time - to come to New Zealand to live with my mother [never met/seen my biological father])

Even though I've only started gaming in the PSX generation (when I embarked in the new country), I have mad love n' respect for all the older gamers and games. Especially the stuff in life I could never understand.

;)

EDIT: I'm so gonna' train to be Zen and a Dragon like Bruce Lee. Hah =D

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 12:23:03 AM

You're cool by me. :)

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Karosso
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 @ 10:43:07 PM
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SORRY BEN!!
Me English not tha good :(
But I mean it from the heart. The articles you write are refreshing in the way they make us think about our favorite past time, and the humanity you bring to a topic so full hyperbole, fanboy rants and so much rubbish disguised as news that I was starting to wonder if there was anyone who took it seriously, and with an ounce of respect for the intellect of its readers.
Thank you Sir and thank you PSXExtreme for the safe haven!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 12:23:23 AM

No worries. And you're very welcome. :)

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Cuetes
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 12:41:38 AM
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This is the reason I log on to this site every day. Great article Ben, couldn't agree more.

25 years, and still in love with gaming.

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slackernz
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 1:05:12 AM
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great read folks.. this also reminds me of cartoons... I grew up adoring looney toons, biker mice from mars, thundercats and captain planet.. My 14 year old brother would "captain what...?" he'd immediately shun anything 2D, whether it'd be a game or a cartoon.. he laughs at my ps1 and 2 collections

funnily, we both share a similar interest in ps3 games (except survival horror)

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Geobaldi
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 1:30:37 AM

Looney Toons, Thundercats, G.I.Joe, the original Transformers, Rubix Cube, Captain N, Dungeons & Dragons, TMNT, Beetlejuice, M.A.S.K., Danger Mouse, He-Man, Inhumanoids, Inspector Gadget, Fangface, Voltron, Robotech, etc. I could go on and on with the old cartoons I watched lol. And watching again now that some are finally making it to dvd lol.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 10:19:55 AM

I'm going to throw in Muppet Babies and Garfield & Friends for Saturday morning cartoons. :)

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ShamRock
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 2:02:57 AM
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HE-MAN FtW!!!!!

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whooka
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 6:18:32 AM
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While you can't stereotype any age group or demographic reliably there are at least some cognitive differences between the generations of gamers. I'm older so I remember the days of Atari 2600 and have seen the evolution of the home gaming industry so I feel in some ways I 'appreciate' how things have evolved more then someone who's only console experience has been with PS2 generation and forward. Also there was a period of time where parenting became equated with coddling children all the way into their teens which I feel was most likely due to guilt from the first generation of parents that started divorcing each other at the drop of a hat (or condom). And with the economy we had in the 1990s it was easier for parents to shell out for consoles and games for their kids so alot of younger people don't remember what it's like when we had parents that thought consoles and video gaming were a waste and we had to work all weekend at supermarkets and such to save up to buy anything ourselves. Again I'm not stereotyping any age group, I realize there's plenty of hard working younger folks out there who can understand the value of a dollar (and if not sadly you're all in for a HUGE awakening once you're done school and try to eek out an existence in the current economy). As for the 'length' of games I always found these numbers (i.e. 10-12 hours) to be indicative of people playing who have nothing else to do with themselves or are way too obsessive about gaming as once you get a full-time job, etc, you'll find you don't always have 10-12 hours to play a game straight through and then it's not as big an argument about how long a game 'lasts'. I bought LBP about two months ago and am only on the second set of included levels (the wedding, etc) due to time I have to play it and I remember people saying the single player game was only good for 6-8 hours of play.

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Orvisman
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 9:39:33 AM
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I agree Ben.

Also, some of us grew up in the Intellivsion/Colecovision/Geneseis/SNES era and most of us were obviously here for the Playstation 1/2 era, which really started the populariztion of videogames and took it out of the domain of geekdom.

Then you have the 12 and 13 year olds who are a part of this new 360 generation and don't have the same fondness for the Playstation brand most of us have.

It is these kids, as well as all those old Segaholics who blame Sony for killing Sega as a first-party console manufacturer, who make up the core of the Xbot army.

That is your real generational divide right there.

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Skatejimmy5
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 12:40:57 PM
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I totally agree. Even though I am born in 1992, and started gaming in the late 90's, I love to have a REAL collection instead of digital titles. I am a collector, a gamer and an enthusiast.

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Deadman
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 @ 3:30:44 PM
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This article makes me feel old Thanx! BTW does anybody remember what happened to the arcade? I remember dumping weeks in allowances playing Robocop and Ninja Gaiden ohh and Rad racer 3-D

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556pineapple
Friday, March 27, 2009 @ 12:36:37 PM
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Multiplayer isn't essential, but it's nice to have. I much prefer offline multiplayer than online, as I don't do much online gaming. I guess I fall somewhere in the middle as far as age goes. I wasn't around for the Atari 2600 or the Colecovision, but I remember playing Super Mario Bros. when I was very young, and I remember my brothers bringing home Mario 3 when it was still fairly new. Those were the good old days, when you could pop in a game and play, rather than waiting for the game to install and download updates. That's my one complaint about the PS3 is waiting for an update to take forever to download and install when all I want to do is play the game.

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