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Square-Enix: FFXIII Will Push The PlayStation 3 To The Max

When it comes to Japanese-oriented games, we often have to sift through Japanese publications and hope the translations are somewhat accurate. In the latest Dengeki edition, they interview the producers of Final Fantasy XIII, which is bound to turn some heads.

Towards the end of the interview in question, producer Kitase spoke about the PlayStation 3's power and about how much of that power the team is utilizing for FFXIII. Kitase said that the demo will use "around 50%" of the PS3's capability while the final version "utilize close to 100%." Kitase-

"I think around 50% for the demo version. For the final product (just before it's released), I think it will use around 100% of its powers. It is the same situation with FFVII and FFX where we fully utilized the powers of the PS1 and PS2."

They also talk briefly about Blu-Ray, and Kitase says that if you're talking about a dual layer BD, "there isn't really a problem with storage space," but as the PS3 also has a hard drive, there are other things to consider. He adds that "there's still some work to be done on the memory side of things," and we're all starting to wonder how much of the game will get dumped on the HDD... We're kinda running out of space, you know? Of course, we can always delete some previously installed games if we have to, but we're just saying. Anyway, it's certainly interesting to know that Square-Enix claims to be using all of the PS3's available power for FFXIII.

But hey, they pushed the previous two PlayStations, didn't they? It stands to reason they could do it again.

Related Game(s): Final Fantasy XIII

3/31/2009 Ben Dutka

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Comments (140 posts)

Arvis
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:10:34 AM
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Right.

And this will work on the Bluray-less, HDD-less 360 HOW, again?

-Arvis

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crapreviews
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:12:39 AM

lol MS is going to have like a 10 disc game lol

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:14:26 AM

Or Squeeenix might make the game short? :O

Imagine that!

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www
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:37:10 PM

I'll be damned if the game is made short for 360's sake.

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Tim Speed24
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:10:57 PM

Obviously this game is no longer going to the 360. How can you use the full power of one machine and still do the same on a machine with less processors?

Like I said, Developers need to start making different versions of the same game. Equal story lines and events but with more stuff going on-screen with higher res. on the PS3 version. It just makes sense.....give in to the power of Blu-ray.

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Gregory Freeman
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:23:13 PM

my thoughts exactly... ps3 does 2 Tflops, while 360 does 1 Tflop, making it 2x better... if its 100%, then the 360 can only play the demo, and even that might blow the hdd , or give it rrod...

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Arkhon
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 5:18:14 PM

My Xbox 360 has a 120GB HDD. What does your little PS3 have? I also get the option not to install my games directly to my hard drive. As for Blu-ray, they could always release it on two DVDs.

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556pineapple
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 5:23:14 PM

If they're using max space on the Blu-Ray, more like 5 DVDs. Unless they REALLY tone down the graphics.

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EddPm6
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 8:38:17 PM

@ Arkhan
Ps3s can have up to 500gb HDD space (thats not little) for $100 due to the fact that you dont HAVE to buy the one made by M$.
Yeah you now have the option to put the game data onto the disk, but you still need the disc to start up, and dont say you dont becasue my 360 friends all have to.
And 2 DVDs? congrats, you made it to 18gb. thats not even one layer Blu-ray (25gb).
And the point was that since the 360 has half the power how is it going to match the ps3 at 100%? I think FFXIII will just look at the 360 and make it explode. Not even a RRoD or anyhting, just .............BOOM.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 @ 1:55:28 AM

once again. Squeenix proves how stupid they are of late.

they just pretty much admitted that their 360 version is going to suck, compared to the PS3 version.

i mean yeah thats good for us. but what happened to appealing to a western audience? lol

btw, i STILL dont believe his claims are true though, maybe use about 80% but not 100%.
no dev can push a console to its max this early in its life.

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EddPm6
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 @ 11:08:07 AM

again i cant even imagine it being over 50% of PS3s power. Unless they dev'd completly seperate forms of the game. 80% Xbox (40% ps3) and 80%on Ps3

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Deleted User
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 10:05:42 AM

Because SE is full of sh**

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Jawknee
Thursday, May 07, 2009 @ 12:13:49 PM

Arkhon
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 5:18:14 PM

"My Xbox 360 has a 120GB HDD. What does your little PS3 have? I also get the option not to install my games directly to my hard drive. As for Blu-ray, they could always release it on two DVDs."

My "little" ps3 has a 500gb HDD. so shove it.

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crapreviews
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:10:41 AM
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lol i would hope it does, considering this game has been delayed for so long. i don't remember ever having this many years between an FF title.

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Geobaldi
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 @ 12:39:25 AM

It was a 4 year gap between XI and XII. And if you're one of those people who don't count XI as being a true FF title, then it was a 5 year gap between X and XII. It's only been 3 years since XII came out so they are doing pretty well with the progress on this one in my opinion.

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Vivi_Gamer
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:13:36 AM
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Well ff7 hardly used 100% of the ps1's power in comparison to the next 2.

If this this is the case the PS3 version will be dramatically better than the 360 version. and im am interested in seeing the comparison between the two.

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:25:10 AM

Agreed on the point that FFVII did not push the PS1 as much as say 8 or 9 did.... What the hell is this guy thinking saying that 7 pushed the PS1 to the max while both 8 and 9 had better graphics..... 7 was great but it was not as hardware intensive as the last two on the system.

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mustang750r
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:07:42 PM

Have we already forgotten the fact that the last battle cause the PS1 to skip during the battle. Hell last time I played was on my PS3 and I still had that problem with battle skipping and freezing. I don't recall that happening with 8 or 9.

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:12:42 PM

I didn't forget it as I have never had that happen to me in all honesty. I actually never heard of it until I read your post.

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mustang750r
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:31:00 PM

Really? When it happend to me on my PS3 I went online and saw videos of others playing that battle and it would skip and freeze on both PS1 and PS3. Now at first I thought my PS3 was acting up but I had asked my friend and he said he would have the same problem as well and that it was normal.

Now I can't remember where I think it was in wiki but there was an article stating that most people had this problem and that it was normal because the game demaned so much processing that this issue would occur. While some reported no problems.

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:36:54 PM

Bizarre that I never heard of it then I guess. I remember when that game came out in high school and everyone I knew had it and we all would talk about how to get a gold chocobo and how much a pain in the rear it was to 100% the game and how everyone of us had logged the max 99:99:99 on it but no one I know ever complained about the freezing issue though we did all complain about some of us having an Aerith and some having an Aeris.

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mustang750r
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:42:23 PM

All this talk is making me want to play it all over again. lol I don't even remember how I got the golden Chocobo lol Or the fact that I had maxed out all my characters and weapons. Man I most have been in the zone back then and I was 7 when I fist played lol Maybe it had something to do with my age? Hmmm lol

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:50:50 PM

You got a bad disc dude.

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mustang750r
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:57:28 PM

Really, how?

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:59:46 PM

Holy crap! You were 7 when that game came out!!!! Ouch!

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mustang750r
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:03:52 PM

Yup I was 7 years old, why is that a bad thing? FF7 is one of the reasons I love to game, and why I still have hope for SE

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:56:24 PM

It isn't a bad thing against you at all it just makes me realize that I take Gerital to stay fit for a reason. LOL!

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Arkhon
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 6:00:17 PM

I was 7 when I got into gaming too. My first was Total Annihilation on the PC, I think. Still my favorite RTS.

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Arvis
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 @ 2:20:29 PM

Arkhon, your real name wouldn't happen to be Jonathan, would it?

-Arvis

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Deleted User
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 10:24:02 AM

My first game that I remember was Pitfall for the Atari 2600... I was like 3 or 4...

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Powershifter
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 12:24:55 PM

I recently tried the last battle in FFVII on my PS3 and did notice the skipping. It was terrible! However, I have no memory of it doing this when I played it on the original playstation. That leads me to believe it has something to do with my 80gig PS3. Either that or it did skip back then and no one really noticed?

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:13:40 AM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

SQUEEEENIX has become such a joke :D
Good PR Squeeenix, good PR

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 10:07:15 PM

What do you expect from a company merger on April 1st?

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Jordahn
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:17:02 AM
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SquareEnix, can you actually win me back? We'll see...

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dillonthebunny
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:18:56 AM
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"One of the game's producers claims that Final Fantasy XIII will utilize nearly 100% of the system's capability."


Hmmm, does that mean the 360 will have problems? ..or is it being dumbed down for the 360? or is it that in reality the 360 just as powerful as the ps3? im confused. is this good news for 360 owners or not?

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xnonsuchx
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 9:42:02 PM

Maybe they mean Versus (PS3-only) will use 100% while the regular FFXIII will be less intense.

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Deleted User
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 8:51:55 PM

as long as you cling to the fact that the PS3's power is out of reach of for the 360 you will continue to be seen as ignorant by the more level headed gamers. The PS3's Cell is a monster of a processor... it can stream 16 HD videos at the same time, but it's just not that efficiant with games. As for games using 100 percent of the system... almost every game uses 100 percent of the system's ability. It's a diffrent story is SE said they are running the game at 100 percent of the theoretical max of the system.

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:22:14 AM
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I find it very hard to believe that the game is going to push the PS3 to 100% capabilities. I think this is just another SE hype train. There is absolutely no way on God's green earth that they can make a game push the PS3 to 100% and bring it out on the 360 in the same form unless the 360 is a power house in disguise and MS has been hiding the true power for the release of this game....... Yeah.

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www
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:41:14 PM

It's possible Square can push it close to 100%,believe that.

Graphics wise,the 360 is a powerhouse but DVD might be the minus.

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:44:18 PM

In light of resent events involving the "graphics" killing the graphics cards I think there is a bigger issue at stake here. I mean if the NXE is taxing the cards too much and causing them to prematurely die out then what is going to happen when these super awesome graphically superior games start rolling through?

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offshore
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:22:57 AM
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Riiight, so Guerrilla create a game that still only uses 60% of the PS3 power after tonnes of help from Sony, yet Square Enix crack the PS3 virtually straight away?

Something has very clearly been lost in translation here.

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:27:29 AM

Hype train. They are going to say anything they can to get as many PS3 owners to buy their damn game as possible. They have never made a PS3 game before from my recollection. Maybe they played around with the Last Remnant realized that they knew nothing about the hardware and got all the bugs out of the way with that game but I highly, highly doubt it.

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ninjasprayer
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 2:02:04 PM

They have made one game exclusive for the ps3, Disgaea 3.

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 3:20:26 PM

NIS America but good effort Square in Europe only

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karneli lll
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:26:39 AM
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A multiplatform going for 100%, so what will the 360 version run on? 200%?

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:28:20 AM

Obviously you have to system link two 360's together and run them simultaneously to play FFXIII

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Arvis
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:34:34 AM

HA! Nice one, guys, I chuckled. =)

-Arvis

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:38:43 AM

Coverton, you crack me up. Very astute of you. Oh, did I just call you an ass toot? Sorry, my bad...

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th0mas21
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:43:41 AM

that makes perfect sense because then you only have to worry about FIVE discs per xbox compared to the TEN (@mixedkidbx) you would have needed...
im having doubts too... its too early to be pushing the ps3 to near 100%, but maybe i just have it out for them because i havent got over xbox pushing my release date back, @&^*#)&!!!!

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telly
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:32:01 AM
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This will either be a huge boon for Sony or Microsoft. Either the PS3 version will look, sound, and/or play better than 360 version, or it won't. If it's the former, Sony can proudly point to their systems horsepower and say they were right all along, that PS3 really is a more powerful console. If it's the latter, though, that's quite a feather in Microsoft's cap.

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JasperLoons
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:49:32 PM

You're right, which is why it's a problem that SE is probably just lying.
The more they claim to be pushing the PS3 to the max, the worse it's going to look when the 360 handles it just as well.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:37:26 AM
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Well, if it pushes the power of the PS3 to the max, what is it going to do the 360??

The PS3 version better be clearly superior.

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ninjasprayer
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 2:07:16 PM

The 360 verision will have Nes graphics.

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The_Benny
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:38:26 AM
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Obvious hyperbole and possible translation issues aside, it might not be that much of a problem. The hard drive installs on the PS3 are generally a read-speed issue, so if they're considering it for FFXIII it still shouldn't be a problem for the faster DVDs of the 360.

If they really aren't starting the 360 version until the PS3 one is complete though it might well be that they run into a lot of problems, but generally it's been easier to go from PS3 to 360 than it has in the other direction.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:55:07 PM

Let's hope your dead on Benny because I don't see them making two very different games, they will opt for uniformity.

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:00:56 PM
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On a serious note. I remember once a while back some publisher said that it could be very easy to make the PS3 work at 100% but making it work that hard and optimizing the power would be a bigger challenge. Is it safe to assume that SE is in fact working the PS3 like a dog but doing it in such a way that it is not optimal? I mean I can personally write a 15 line program that will bring a a quad core 3.7Ghz PC to a crawl but that in no way is optimal and I only know I can do it through doing it by MISTAKE. I think that saying "Our game will push the PS3 to 100% capability" and "Our game will make full use of 100% of the PS3's power optimally" are two very, very different statements.

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Dustinwp
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:41:59 PM

@coverton341 thank you for your insanely correct logic.

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big6
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 3:12:27 PM

Yes, you are 100% correct! I said basically the same thing (below), before I had a chance to read your comment.

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:04:04 PM
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Haha this article made me laugh, and yet the game is still releasing on the Xbox 360. This surely will raise some eye brows. 100% of the PS3's power, but it's still coming to a DVD system. Man I can imagine that if this game is not 4 hours long, then it'll be a 7 or 8 disc long adventure for those xbox users, with frame rate issues up the a##. You better have a 120GB harddrive to install each disc 360 users or I cant see how this game will possibly run.

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Fabi
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:09:09 PM
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Hilarious comments guys.

I highly doubt it from the videos I've seen.

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www
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:51:31 PM

But they said those videos were old?

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Arvis
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:11:02 PM
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Honestly, guys, Square has kinda pulled this off before with Final Fantasy X. It came out in 2001, was one of Square's first games on the system, and STILL looks better than most games on the PS2.

...but, technically, that was the old Square. I don't know what this new company is or what they're capable of.

-Arvis

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Dustinwp
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:28:23 PM

FFX looked great, but FFXII was quite a bit more deep. The graphics are reasonably better in FFXII compared to FFX. God of War 2 was the best looking game to hit the PS2 and that came out after devs said the PS2 was tapped out. You can use 100% of the power on any device if your not using the power efficiently. SE is full of BS!

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Hexen
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:20:43 PM
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nice try SE how low can you get,I imagining that you are saying the ps3 will reach maximum and yet when the game comes out for both they are going to look the same with the ps3 version having frame rate issues.

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www
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:46:38 PM

Say it again!

It's like the norm now.Multi-plats will look the same on both with 360 most of the time having the edge whiles the ps3 suffers from frame rate issues and slight blur touches......so annoying.

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KevinCairo
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:22:39 PM
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Keep in mind how long FFXIII has been in development. Naughty Dog has only been working on Uncharted 2 for probably half that amount of time (if that) and they're claiming to use - what was it - like 80-90% of the PS3's power?
There's a good possibility this ain't b/s.

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karneli lll
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:35:04 PM

That time was spent making crystal tools multiplatform

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King James
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 4:42:22 PM

Oh, its BS. Killzone 2 was in production for 4+ years and Guerilla got help from Sony and other Sony devs.

But somehow FFXIII pushes the PS3 further than Killzone 2 without any help from Sony and Sony devs?

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cegmp
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 @ 12:19:26 AM

Don't forget that Naughty Dog already had the experience with working on the PS3 with Uncharted 1. So they might know their way around the system more.

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ArnoldK PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:24:22 PM
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So then...does that mean it'll use 150% of the X360's power and cause massive meltdowns when the console can't handle the awesome? :p

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:37:27 PM

Nope it will just cause a global E74 error.....

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:59:54 PM

The meltdowns will occur because people like to hunker down and play FF for an entire sunday which will equal many burned down houses for 360 owners ;P

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JasperLoons
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:55:58 PM

Seriously, how amazing would that be? After all of the trash talk, hundreds of thousands of 360's crash in the same week.

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Hexen
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:26:54 PM
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C'mon guys you really think they are going to make one version look better then the other.F*** you SE,most of us are not children anymore so stop trying bribe us with bulls*** stories.

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www
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:49:52 PM

True.I wouldn't be surprised if they rather make the 360 version better.There's enough evidence square have been for 360 thus far this gen.

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GamerKid123
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:33:55 PM
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Hmm... i doubt it was ALL of the power. But then again...

I expect the game will rock the planet if it has used all 100% of the PS3's power.

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Sir Shak
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:39:51 PM
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We will see if it's true in a few months when it releases in Japan .

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:47:28 PM
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For the record, Square-Enix isn't really known amongst the gaming press as a "hype machine." They like to show off trailers like six million years before the game ever comes out, but when it comes to interviews and actually SPEAKING to them, they don't normally make outlandish claims.

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www
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 12:56:52 PM

Thanks for the clarification.For the record Square Enix are too established in the GAME to start some childish hype,their too grown.

I believe they CAN use the ps3's power close to 100%.Speaking of "power",is it graphics power or space power?

Cause with the space we know blu-ray has the edge but with graphics............?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:04:49 PM

Outlandish claims? Perhaps not. But I would characterize their claims as "inaccurate"

e.g.: We don't support any platform over another. (paraphrasing)

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Hexen
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:43:02 PM

Sorry Ben, I have a hard time believing that they will make one version look better than the other.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 5:57:16 PM

This is not ps1-ps2 era Square-Enix

This is Microsoft stained, EA-wannabe, Western-expansion Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenix

So no, this is hype b***s*** Squeeenix trying to be like EA/Microsoft

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:09:24 PM
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I don't think this is hype, but I do think it's pandering. SE makes lots of little statements to try to get them back in good with PS3 owners, which aren't entirely accurate. I mean you can't say that the "PS3 version isn't being delayed in any way" and in the same breath say that it won't be released until the 360 port is done and ready for a simultaneous release in NA.

I'm just saying this reeks of trying to please the people who pissed at them. I also agree with most of the logic in these comments because it just stands to reason that common sense wouldn't allow for a proper 100% use because that would guarantee that it COULDN'T function on 360.

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karneli lll
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:34:07 PM
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crap,memory issues...does that mean a mandatory install?

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HOODGE
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:39:51 PM
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I think it is a blanket covering the truth, because we all know that if this game is to be ported to 360, it cannot be using 100% of the cell processor. Nooo dam way. Second of all even by throwing the game on multiple discs to fit it on 360, it still doesn't have the processing power the PS3 has and something has to give. No way you can see GT5 or KZ2 graphics and gameplay on the Crapbox. Machine would blow up. Ya the 360 is powerful, but no where near the PS3. Its like comparing grapes to Watermellons...LMAO

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Hexen
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:46:34 PM
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For the record I will buy the game for the ps3 but, I don't expect to have the superior version.

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 2:06:53 PM

I agree. I buy all multiplats on the PS3 and I never expect to have a better version for the simple fact that games made multiplat tend to be made on the 360 and ported over to a system that requires "different" utilization of code. Honestly they are working with two very different animals and just taking your code and making a few tweaks to it is not the way to go about it. Exclusives have empirically looked better (IMO) on the PS3 when comparing exclusives side by side at the developers life cycle with the differing architectures, I mean you wouldn't compare Gears 2 to Uncharted 1 though some would argue that Uncharted is still prettier. But I guess my point is that I think developers need to teams when making multiplat games one for PC and 360 and one specifically for the PS3 because then we might see some actually good versions on both systems.

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xnonsuchx
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 9:48:30 PM

Except that they at least mainly developed for the PS3 and are porting it to the 360 rather than the other way around.

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HOODGE
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 1:58:12 PM
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I'll say it again. That is the downfall of Multiplat games. Gotta make Microsoft happy as well. Hence the degredation of what the final product could be had it remained a PS3 exclusive. Sucks that Microcrap has gotta stick their nose up Sony's ass. Sorry how I put it, but it's true.

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NoSmokingBandit
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 2:16:53 PM
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Wait... I though Kojima pushed the ps3 as far as it could go.
Oh, thats right NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE PS3 CAN DO! Square may be pushing themselves as far as they can go, but the ps3's Cell is uncharted (lol pun) waters and nobody really knows what can or cannot be done with it. Developers need to drop their arrogance and say "this is the best we can do with the Cell at the time" instead of acting like 1337 Codezorzx who know how to push even an ARM processor to its theoretical limit.

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TGG
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 2:49:02 PM
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...How the hell are they going to manage to get this game to the 360 then?

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Archos
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 2:49:28 PM
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Is SE kidding. I mean haven't they made enough fools of themselves? 'FFXIII will utilize full PS3 potential' so does that mean the 360 version will be inferior? I don't think so cause M$ has filled SEes a** with tones of cash.
Even if 360 version came out in multiple discs, then too it would fail to even stand near a 100% potential utilizing PS3 game.

Stop bluffing SE and make a game that the world appreciates. Stop trying to please PS3 owners by giving false statements. If you really want your respect back, utilize the full potential of PS3.. create a game on the Ps3 as if you are creating a PS3 exclusive and then port the game to the 360 and dump it down so that it utilizes 360's 100% potential (which is considerably less compared to PS3) not worrying what the world would say(or M$).

SE lost my respect not when they decided that the game will go multi-plat, but when they f*cking delayed the PS3 version so that a simultaneous 360 release is possible. Why do we PS3 guys have to suffer cause the 360 version isn't ready?
Just don't try to milk the PS3 users now SE... lot of damage has already been done.

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big6
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 3:01:56 PM
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That's such a ridiculous claim, that it's only going to stir fanboyism and make SquareEnix a source of flamebait to others...

How can any company possibly squeeze the full power of *ANY SYSTEM* on their first outing?? Sure, they're an established company, and have made lots of games before, but so what?! This is new hardware, and your first major game for it cannot possibly harness the full power of the new hardware - regardless of hardware (PS3 or otherwise).

Having said that, they can probably max it to *their own abilites*, but that doesn't mean the full potential of the machine is maxxed. See the difference?
If they don't efficiently utilize all the SPUs or use them to run un-optimized code then, yeah, it's easy to max a machine to 100% of its processing power. Heck, I can do that on ANY PC running a demo app that does nothing more than print "Hello World" on the screen! But that's not exactly using 100% of its potential now, is it?

SquareEnix needs to be more careful with their words...

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 3:29:56 PM

Exactly! Damn "Hello World". My indiscretion actually came from an endless loop if I remember correctly. Forgetting an exit condition can be hugely painful.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 5:16:29 PM

"Hello Guys" :)

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mbg77
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 4:27:56 PM
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Hi everyone,

I love this bold claims "we are utilising 100% of the PS3". The problem is what are they really utilizing.

I don't know if anyone else noticed and agree with me that even though Killzone2 has far superior graphics than Battlefield: Bad Company it utilizes PS3 processing power in different way.

On my PS3 the fan works far louder in B:BC than in K2. In my opinion it shows that you can make a game on PS3 using different parts of the hardware and therefore make it break a sweat or just perspire.

Best regards.
Marcin

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King James
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 4:32:44 PM
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Ben *LMAO* plz...*ROTFL*...STOP reporting the S-E comedy routine *LOL*. These S-E comedians *LOL* is making my ribs hurt *HAHAHAHA*!

*One single tear of laughter slides down my face* HA HA HA! *sniffle*

Oh, S-E how you crack me up...LOL

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King James
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 4:53:58 PM
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But seriously, what S-E probably means is that they use 100% of the CPU, which is not what you want to do for the PS3.

The 7 SPEs and GPU(or is it the RSX?) doing the work for the CPU (cell) is what makes the PS3 run circles around any other system. So if S-E says they are maxing out the SPEs and the CPU, then I'd start to take them serious.

That's like S-E taking Ben's 350Z out on the track and coming back saying that they maxed out his engine. But then, we find out that they never put the car in 4th gear or hit the boost.

I laugh at S-E now. I can always count on them to disappoint me. They've become one big joke, and I can't stop laughing at them.
(^^Refer to last post for an example^^)




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Hexen
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 5:23:38 PM

Ben said "they don't normally make outlandish claims", well it was true in the good old days but since spiritually joining the Microsoft team they have lost most of their rep.

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ceedot
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 @ 3:07:35 AM

They said; 'we won't make a game on a system if it will hold the release of the game on another console'. 2 weeks later they announce FFXIII on the 360, and that it will ONLY begin process AFTER the PS3 version is made.

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rell
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 4:55:23 PM
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So Im guessing ffxiiivs will 100% cell processor I hope so.

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SerichA
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 5:47:36 PM
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Either there ARE using all the power (and storage) on the PS3, or they definitely aren't. It depends if they'll cut corners for the 360 version. If not, I'll be surprised, but it seems like they would, considering the 360's potential is nowhere near the PS3's.

So...will the 360 version be inferior in any regards? Either way, 100% is a good sign (..or lie) because the team will be good at developing for PS3.

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Riku994
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 5:59:36 PM
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If any of this is at all true, we can expect the 360 version to be FAR inferior to the PS3 version, which Ben has predicted since day 1. While you all say this can't be true, I say IF it is, it'll put the 360 fanboys in their place.

With all of your guys' arguments I dunno what to believe anymore, but I say if they're telling the truth, great, if not, whatever, it's their loss for pissing the PS3 owners off way too much.

As for Microsoft's claim that FF13 will do better on the 360 than the PS3, I say BS. Judging by SE's last few rpg's which more or less flopped on the 360, I don't see where MS gets off making these claims. JRPG's do NOT fare well on the 360. And FF13, whether 100% on the PS3 or not, will prove that.

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Arkhon
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 6:03:01 PM

Yeah, JRPGs generally don't do well at all on the 360. I got my Xbox 360 for the nerdy, sci-fi games, because that's what I like. I'm not really into JRPGs. The only ones I've ever enjoyed were Golden Sun and its sequel, The Lost Age on the Game Boy Advance.

I therefore disagree with you that it will put 360 fanboys "in their place." Most 360 gamers won't care about a JRPG, even one like Final Fantasy XIII.

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migabyte
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 9:21:53 PM

Why are you here? Have you nothing better to do?

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FFXIIIon360
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 6:01:46 PM
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Cool. I'm still probably going to get it on 360 though. It'll probably be just as good but they will probably have to put it on 4 or 5 discs. I don't care if I have to get and swap discs it'll only take about a minute.

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migabyte
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 9:22:52 PM

You will get it on the 360 cause that's all you have. Go away.

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ps92117
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 9:59:35 PM

Hate to brake it to you man but everybody here knows you are a delusional xbot/troll, at least make a different account, I means it is not hard, people are too lazy nowadays, geesh.

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ceedot
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 @ 3:04:13 AM

The fact that you have to change disks is an immediate inconveniece. And don't even say it doesn't bother you.

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Naga
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 3:44:08 PM

WOW! ! changing discs is gonna be fun!!possibly one of the greatest next gen experiences ever!! only on Xbox 360

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NoSmokingBandit
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 6:14:24 PM
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Its just not possible ot use all of the ps3's power now. It took until 2007 for God of War II to blow our socks off and show us that the ps2 still has some awesome left in it. There is no way at all ANY developer is going to max out the ps3 when it hasnt even been on the market for 3 years.
This kind of bullshit makes me appreciate Guerilla Games even more. They came out and said they had tons of power left over that they didnt use, and NOBODY can argue that KZ2 doesnt use a ton of power to begin with. Awesome AI, physics, sound, and graphics puts a ton of stress on a system.
Square is full of shit. If they make one more outlandish claim that slaps all of us in the face i may start considering a pass on FF13, even though i dont want to. Ok, maybe ill buy it used, so long as Square makes no money from the sale.

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SerichA
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 6:16:22 PM
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As long as they don't shorten XIII or downgrade the graphics (PS3), I don't care if the 360 gets it, either. Something tells me Microsoft paid for it though, and it may be downgraded. Well at least multiple discs on the 360 would mean the storage on PS3 is as high as they need. And funny username, FFXIIIon360, lol.

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Jed
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 6:56:23 PM
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They will tell us everything we want to hear so we buy it when it comes out for the PS3.

Then when it comes out for the 360 it will be exactly the same and we will all look stupid.

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godsman
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 7:12:54 PM
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I am hoping that FFXIII is only "slightly" better on the PS3 compared with xbox. If SE makes a game significantly better on PS3, they'll rather port down from Xbox instead and retain 70% of the graphics. If Xbox is just slightly inferior, it could create a trend of porting down from PS3, especially PS3 is now outselling the Wii in Japan.

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slackernz
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 7:59:53 PM
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100% power on PS3 = 100% RRoD on X360... eat that MS

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Robochic
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 8:11:00 PM
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@slackernz--LOL



To me this game just doesn't make sense being a multi-platform not due to loyality on my part just for what i read and have seen on this game,does the 360 have the ability to handle this type of power of a game?

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Shadow_Ninja
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 9:04:52 PM
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im pro for FFXIII PS3 exclusive!

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Shadow_Ninja
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 9:04:52 PM
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im pro for FFXIII PS3 exclusive!

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Shadow_Ninja
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 9:04:52 PM
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im pro for FFXIII PS3 exclusive!

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Qwarktast1c
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 9:31:35 PM
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this reallt begs the question.....

why the hell is this game on the 360!??!?!?!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 10:24:47 PM

moneyz

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Qubex
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 9:36:20 PM
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They won't be known as Square-Enix anymore but Squeez-Enit! Byte Dumpers, Bit Pushers or HD Terraformers :)

This may very well be a final fantasy for the PS3 hardware :)

Q!

"i am home"

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LightShow
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 10:05:43 PM
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if it uses almost 100% , how is it going to function on the 360?...

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 10:23:50 PM
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SE took such a beating from fans over the multi plat that Kitase was told "always say good things about the PS3 version of the game." That's all.

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Tatsujin
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:21:05 PM
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My two cents: If they really are using the PS3 to nearly 100%, and they really are using nearly all of the Blu-Ray disc space (Dual)... then what in the god damn living hell is the 360 version going to look like? Stick-figures? Let alone the fact its going to need no less than 5 discs to play, how are they going to fit anything else in? Well, all I have to say is that it dosnt add up one bit. Unless the 360 version has minor changes or what-not, it just dosn't add up.

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Banky A
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:30:01 PM
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"How would it work on the Xbox 360 then?"

That is the question..

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Deleted User
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 8:45:56 PM

The 360 is a much more effeciantly designed machine... it's theoretical preformance may not be as high, but it can get much closer to that theoretical point than the PS3 ever will. That is the price Sony pays for creating such a complex CPU.

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Banky A
Tuesday, March 31, 2009 @ 11:43:47 PM
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*PLEASE READ THIS =D*

But I see some of you guys would like to know the real story. This is how it went down:

________________________________
[Once upon a time..]

On the day of the FFXIII 360 announcement, there was a SCE and Square-Enix meeting beforehand.
What nobody knew was that the presidents of each company, along with loyal workers devised a plan so cunning.. that you could put some ham on it and call it a 'Cunningham'.

The plan was quite simple, elaborate and effective: to develop the game so it will use so much PS3 power, and then transfer that game to the Xbox 360 with the same data. It will then still be so raw and uncompressed that when a player places the DVD disc into an Xbox 360 console then it will overheat in a minimum of 30 seconds and create a full Red Ring of Death accompanied by an exploding console.
ALSO destroying every 360 in a 50 square meter radius via vibrating Microsoft failure signal waves.

They plan to get about 40% of all Xbox 360s Worldwide erased.

[THE END]
________________________________

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daus26
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 @ 1:16:10 AM
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K guys, think of it this way.

Killzone 2 - a game that is said to be running the ps3 at about 60%, caused a temporary black out in the developer's city, and the claim that it was only possible on the ps3.

Now, Square Enix is tellin us that a FFXIII game running the ps3 close to 100% will be possible on the 360....right, I believe them......ummmm..NOT.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 @ 1:57:42 AM
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was KZ2 only 60%?
i thought it was 80.

okay, then im deffinately sure that FFXIII isnt going to use 100%.
or maybe he ment, its going to use 100% of the HDD, because thats how stupid Squeenix is.

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ceedot
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 @ 3:01:44 AM
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Yeah, sure square enix. I don't believe them. Especialy since the 360 is included in this. I think this game will be sh** because of the sheer fact microsoft has it's console in it.

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OriginalSin
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 @ 3:24:37 AM
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I dunno what to make of this to be honest.... There is no way they can max out the PS3 without completely "overdriving" the Xbox...

I will wait and see what the game holds when it comes out and IF the Xbox and PS3 versions are identical then I'm sorry but they are lying.

The day they use 100% of the PS3's power that is the day the Xbox can not handle it.

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rell
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 @ 2:31:21 PM
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Enough said

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bearbobby
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 @ 3:11:39 PM
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Well of course it's using 100% of the PS3's power. They said so. It's pushing our little beast to the limits and we will never ever see a bigger or better looking game...

Until Final Fantasy XIV blows it away...

We're barely 2 1/2 years into the PS3's lifespan, and while I don't doubt they're pushing the system as hard as the can at this time, I highly doubt they're squeezing every erg possible from our little engine that could.

I'm much more trusting of a company like Guerilla Games taking several years to develop a product on a new system (soley for that system), outputing a fantastic looking game, and then honestly saying they know it can do better. Rather than SE saying they've hit the wall with FFXIII and expecting us to believe it will be the same on the 360.

I mean, I'm not stupid. I just spent the night at a Holiday Inn AND saved money by switching to Geico.

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Orvisman
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 10:09:07 AM
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Except that for most of the development time, ScrEwnix has been working on the game for the PS3, optimizing it for the platform.

It wasn't until a year ago, literally at E3, that M$ft threw wads of cash at ScrEwnix to get FFXIII to go multiplat.

With so much work already put in on the PS3 graphics, I'm sure it was already too late for ScrEwnix to scale back development so the 360 could handle the game as well as the PS3.

This is why I'm expecting the 360 port to be inferior to the PS3, as well as for it to ship in a small pizza-sized box.

M$ft might have overreached this time.

While the 360 is powerful, it clearly would have trouble handling games designed exclusively for the PS3, e.g. Killzone 3, Uncharted 2, GoW III, etc... not only because of the graphics but because the cell can offload certain things like AI, physics, etc... to the SPEs.

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Nynja
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 12:44:27 PM
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Something is probably lost in the translation. "Powers" might be "Features", but who really knows. Could FFXIII push the PS3's limits? I would hope so, I mean its been in development for the better part of 4 years.

Last Remnant is a beautiful looking game on the 360. As for the frame-rate and loading? Terrible. That being said, I would be surprised if the 360 version did not look nearly as good as the PS3 version. Lets see how well the frame-rates hold up and how bad loading will be on each console.

Either way, I will be picking up the PS3 version.

Now, any news on the FFvXIII? I am far more interested in Versus (the atmosphere seems similar to that of FFVII).

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Powershifter
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 12:49:05 PM
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The first thing that comes to mind is this: Maybe FFXIII for the PS3 compared to FFXIII for the 360 is like Star Wars Force Unleashed on the PS3 compared to SWFU on the PS2? Same game, but there's a night and day difference in the graphics.

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Tru
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 5:16:17 PM
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Well don't forget either that they are working entirely on the ps3 version first and then goin to the 360 version

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Jian2069
Tuesday, April 07, 2009 @ 6:17:12 PM
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This is a flat-out lie. It won't come close, and I bet they will make the 360 version look better.
If this pushes the ps3 then it will look 30 times better than the 360 version. When that happens, I will have faith in S-E.

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Jawknee
Thursday, May 07, 2009 @ 12:12:00 PM
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i have a hard time swallowing this statement. he also said VII and X pushed the PS1 and PS2 to its limits. But VIII, IX and XII looked loads better then their predecessors. So if XIII pushes the PS3, what about the 360? cause KZ2 only used 60% and it looks better then any game ive ever seen.

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