A Price Cut Will Allow The PS3 To Surpass The Xbox 360

At the start of the PlayStation 3's lifespan, numerous arguments could be leveled against Sony's new machine. There weren't anywhere near enough games. At no point is the supposed amazing power of the system on display. The PlayStation Network has a loooong way to go and there's only a handful of content on the Store. The price was silly high. Blu-Ray hadn't become the accepted high-definition medium. There were even a bunch of people who absolutely despised the loss of rumble on the Sixaxis controller.

But two and a half years later, there's a very different light on the situation. Just about everything has changed, and the current and future PS3 exclusives lead the way. Much of the system's power will be on display in upcoming titles like Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, God of War III, and Gran Turismo 5, and we've already seen incredible stuff from Killzone 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. Blu-Ray is here to stay, the PSN is not - I repeat, is not a significantly lesser experience than Xbox Live, especially considering the fact that the Network is free - the Store content is there, and yes, you rumble nuts have the Dual Shock 3, even though I have never once understood the fascination with what I consider to be a useless feature. Oh, and let's not forget that developers have finally come around to the PS3's complex architecture and we no longer see piss-poor 360-to-PS3 ports; multiplatform titles are basically identical between the two platforms.

Therefore, there appears to be only one stumbling block left: the price. It's still too expensive to be able to top the 360 in sales on a consistent basis, almost regardless of what it offers. This recession isn't helping matters, and neither is the fact that Sony's marketing isn't all that great. But if they drop the PS3 price by $100 to put it on an even keel with the 360, we have faith that consumers will recognize a good buy when they see one. Consumers who are willing to spend a decent amount of money aren't stupid; they're going to do their research and come to a conclusion. Normal gamers without biases would've performed the same analysis; weighing the negatives and positives, way back in 2007. They would've come across an understandable conclusion and it likely would've been against the PS3. But now, in doing the same thing, we really can't see why an avid gamer would opt to ignore the PS3 and all it has to offer. Furthermore, if a person is debating between the PS3 and 360, you can make a viable argument for both, and with a price drop, the PS3 may very well come out on top in some people's minds.

Therefore, we say the final hurdle is the price and once that is cleared, we think gamers will begin - for a variety of reasons - to choose the PS3 over the 360. Weigh everything yourself and see what you come up with...

4/2/2009 Ben Dutka

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 10:58:18 PM
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Fact block:

PS3 is performing very well for the time it's been out, and is certainly closer in sales than the gap suggest due to people buying multiple 360's due to failure.

Microsoft has little in the way of in-house studios so now that most third party titles have gone multiplat, the sheer number of Sony owned companies churning out fantastic Exclusives means that gamers will soon see which has the better must-have list and jump ship to PS3.

The graphics gap has closed and 360 appears maxed while PS3 has nowhere to go but up.

How'm I doing? Sorry if it came off as a pro-sony anti-360 rant but I'm really just looking at fairly obvious trends here.

The Price cut will come when it's financially possible.

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Qubex
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 11:37:23 PM

WorldEndsWithMe... let us not forget that the hackability of both Xbot360 and Wii have helped their sales along nicely... what a package, a cheap console for multiplats and you can load them up with homebrew...

Q!

"i am home"

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Qubex
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 1:31:25 AM

Is the end nigh for Sony if it does not move quickly on a price cut and open up the PS3 to the "development" community? Will keeping the PS3 locked shut help or hinder her...

Read this about the Linux based - open source console - EVO.

Just look at the on board memory it comes with :( I wish our PS3's were upgradeable!!!

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5134160105.html

Q!

"i am home"

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coverton341
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 2:50:42 PM

Wait a minute now. Sony dropped the price of their dev kit systems to around 1000 bucks and that is a huge reduction in cost. They also added the incentive that if a developer makes a PSN title and keeps it PSN exclusive they will match production cost to help the dev out or something along those lines.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 6:12:33 PM

Holy crap Qubex, that console looks like it has promise!

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Deleted User
Monday, April 06, 2009 @ 12:53:49 AM

It's 10 million units behind WW and completely dominated in North America. A hundred dollar price decrease would come at a significant cost to Sony and likely to the people buying those 300 dollar PS3s. It's more likely that you'll see a 50 dollar price cut and the spike in sales will be in line with the 360's spike in sales at it's 50 dollar price cut. This isn't some magical world were Sony is going to bust out the gate and regain second place. You fanboys keep up this delusional thought and you're going to look like idiots when the next round starts. Nothing feasible can save the PS3 from remaining a 3rd place console WW.

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HeXeN
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 11:04:30 PM
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I don't think 399 is a bad deal,I proudly 620 for mine, I could have easily bought a wii and 360 plus 2 games for each yet I bought the ps3 because that's where all of the franchises that I grew up with where or where going to be.If sony brings back most of the loved ps1 and ps2 franchises then the followers will come to the ps3.

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MadKatBebop
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 11:07:56 PM
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I hope the price cuts, PS3 are so awesome and to me better then a 360(I own a 360 and not a PS3, and I still think their better, you can do so much more on a PS3)

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www
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 6:21:34 AM

Is that your favorite model?

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N a S a H
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 9:39:58 AM

lol

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convergecrew
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:50:34 PM

Covered wagon.

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MadKatBebop
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 7:16:52 PM

one of my favorite models.

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cadpig
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 11:10:39 PM
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Dude, you are an informed gamer. You guys are already die hard ps3 owners...What sony needs is new blood and more sales.

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inkme101
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 11:16:32 PM
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if people want a ps3 for 300 so bad just go to craigslist, i see them going for 300 all day everyday. fact is that sony won't lower the price until they get further out of the black.

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dlte
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 1:01:24 AM

you mean the red?

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Orvisman
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 10:29:27 AM

Last X-mas I bought three more PS3s -- one for my bedroom (so I don't have to kick the wife off the living room TV or so she can watch BluRays in bed, GOOD FOR THE MARRIAGE), one as a gift for my wife's siblings, and one for my parents who wanted a BluRay and something for the grandkids to play -- from Wal-Mart when they were giving back $100 gift cards when you bought the PS3.

If you do the math, those conoles were $300. The point being that if you look around at X-mas you'll find some pretty good deals on PS3s.

Now, all I need are a Japanese 360 and Wii for some of those import only games.

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photo K
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 12:20:23 PM

@ Orvisman

If the price drops, I'm thinking about picking up another. Can you play online with all 3 ps3's at the same time using the same internet connection?

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MadKatBebop
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 11:18:49 PM
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@tattedout: for real!!! I got check that out. Thanks for the tip.

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bamf
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 11:21:42 PM
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You can picture the scenario in a store with the customer questioning about the PS3 with the store sales person. Everything Ben mentions above has been made clear to the customer. The customer likes what he/she hears and asks about the price, and the reaction is 'OH!' This is where these customers could go on and ask about the 360, and when you have the premium and arcade models that are much cheaper, you can see why these customers, who don't know much about exclusives, choose the 360 over the PS3.

The PS3 is selling reasonbaly well and its the hardware, software and features that is pushing the console while its only the price point thats keeping the 360 in top. So with a PS3 needed price drop, we should see big increase in sales.
Wasn't the PS3 outselling the 360 on a monthly basis in the first half of 2008 until the 360 had its price drop?

PS3 is doing well in Japan, if VGchartz is anything to go by. VG has the PS3 outselling the Wii in both months of Marchand February. In March VG has PS3 at 113,813 and the Wii at 74,435. Not only that, PS3 software sales in Japan nearly double that of Wii. PSP also is in good position in the last 3 months keeping a second spot behind the DS matcing it in sales. In March PSP sold 221,626 and with the DS and DSi combined only selling slightly more with 235,447.
Go Sony but like I say the data is from VChartz.

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Zemus101
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 11:22:30 PM
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I agree 100% WEWM. Great article Ben :)
Although I paid over $600 for a crazy boxing day ps3 bundle from Futureshop, i'd gladly do it again for what I got for it. Well worth the expensive price imo. A price drop by the end of the year would tip the scales for those people on the fence, and that would only be awesome news for Sony when they can afford to do that.

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godsman
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 11:39:32 PM
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Im sure anyone would agree that, if you can choose a free console, it would be the PS3. Only the price is holding back a purchase for anyone.

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slackernz
Thursday, April 02, 2009 @ 11:59:58 PM
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22 million ps3 sold in 2.5 years vs 28+ million X360 is 3.5 years.. I say PS3 has done an amazing job!

Looking at the ps3 exclusives on the horizon, it's just gonna keep rising in sales and popularity and piss all over the 360 on its way up!

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xnonsuchx
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 7:11:18 AM

Maybe it's because the original Xbox was so bad that people expected Sony to leapfrog them once the PS3 was out??? Higher unit sales and games published per year doesn't seem to enter so-called 'analysts' tiny minds when they bash the PS3. Are they M$ fans? Are they unreasonably upset about Sony (and the Japanese, in general) controlling the console market for too long? It would be interesting to find out why they DO think the way they do, but one odd probable fact is that they don't even play ANY of them.

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CH1N00K
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 9:24:24 AM

The original Xbox was bad? I had one that worked for years. Didn't know that there were that many issues with it. I actually enjoyed it, although my game library for my ps2 was much larger. (PS2 50+ games, Xbox 7 games...) I didn't bother get the 360 for the 4 games I might actually play that I couldn't play on my PS3

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bamf
Saturday, April 04, 2009 @ 7:34:33 PM

The thing is I doubt there are 28 million 360 users with so many having to buy a second, even a third 360.

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raztad
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 12:32:50 AM
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I got mine 80G ps3 for 360$ from DELL, taxes included. I dont see Sony dropping ps3 price anytime soon, probably they are confident that exclusives games can keep pushing ps3 out of shelves. USA market is the real issue for Sony, Japan is a lost case for MS and Europe seems to be more on the Sony side, so the PS3 seems to be selling pretty well worldwide.

Sony said that they are all about profitability instead of marketshare. That people know how to manage their business. We, gamers, only need to worry for our missing Jrpgs. Even if PS3 stays at last place, its current (and growing userbase) can't be ignored anymore. Tales of Vesperia, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, Bioshock 2, say Hi! :D

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JasperLoons
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 11:29:17 AM

I really don't care if the PS3 ends up passing the 360 in sales. The video game market has changed this generation. I think it is clear to everyone that the most sales do not equal the best console anymore (looking at you Wii).

The PS3 is selling enough that it can't be ignored anymore, and that's all we need. I just want Sony to do whatever is best for them, to keep them supporting the system. If that means no price drop, then so be it.

*Aw hell, I didn't mean to reply to you raztad. Now it looks like I was just trying to get my comment higher on the page.

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Ultimate_Balla
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 12:58:03 AM
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Most My Friends @ School(If Not All Of Them) Choose The Ps3 Over The xBox360, But Because Of The Prices, They Tend to Lean To The 360... I Prices Drop Wouldn Be Half Terrible At All.

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sunspider13
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 2:45:58 AM
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Right now with bills and the need to eat, atm I'm playing my PS3 games on my brothers PS3. I will be getting my own; in fact I'll be getting 2 of them, a B/C 80 GB model from craig's list (coming next week whoot!) and a brand spanking new model in a month or two. For a minute I thought about getting a 360, but only for a minute, lol.

I and the general public would welcome a price drop. Some of my friends that have 360's said that they would like to get a PS3 but because of the price they settled for M$ POS or a Wii.

I do know that when a drop happens, the margin of the number of systems sold that M$ holds and bashes Sony over the head with every chance they get will slowly disappear. Nunfar, do the Dance of Joy! *dances*

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isaya85
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 3:11:55 AM
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I paid $300 for my 40gb PS3 brand new, I had to sell my 360 to get it but it was well worth it, IMO I don't care how much Sony talk about the value of the PS3 alot of people are not dropping $400 dollars for it most of the hardcore fans have one it's the casuals they need to convince and they're buying Wii like there's no tomorrow

PSN ID Biggest_GMoney

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www
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 6:20:10 AM
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Yea like for real,Sony needs to cut the price.
"But their making losses?"....Yes, n we're also in a recession.
Sony will have to make the move first if they want to surpass 360,else consumers will opt for the cheaper 360 which makes sense.

So really,we know Sony are losing but at the same time.........*sigh*.......idk!

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RadioHeader
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 7:08:46 AM
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Always with the price...
I think you'll find that the PS3 out-sold the M$ junker last year (world-wide). It's a shame that it's not doing so well in the best represented country on the internet (America). You guys paint a pretty grim picture, and that's probably a bigger turnoff than the price for some potential buyers.
PS3 costs more because it's better.

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dveisalive
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 7:16:57 AM
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Look fellas im going to sum it up. PS3 Rules and will surpass 360 by 2010.

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niceboy
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 7:30:20 AM
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Good day everyone, My name is Ernice, I'm a Born again Christian and an avid video game player, (PS3) I reside in the US Virgin Islands and have been a long time visitor to your site, i only decided to sign up now, no reasons in particular. Here's what i want to say, first and foremost i think the writers on this like Ben a amazing even if i've read a post about the same news somewhere else i come here to hear what Ben and the guys have to say. Here's my issue: Why do video games developers feel the need to put curse words in their video games? Don't the blood and gore make it mature enough? I mean c'mon, Killzone for example i was totally on the hype train and i got mine on day one. Feb. 27th for those who can't remember and although it was and still is the best shooter i've ever experienced, i had to turn down the speech totally hence reducing my enjoyment of the game, and although i believe the game will sell very well, there are potential buyers out there who won't because of the unneccessary Fbombs in there. I hope someone takes this up to guerilla games, and they tone down the cursing in the next iterattion. Last but not least and this is just my first post of what will become many, I'm a fan of the sony PS systems, been one for a long time and i don't see the need to stop now, if you are don't hide it, it's ok, Just like i'm not afraid to proclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord, and he loves you so much that he died on Calvary's cross to save our souls from eternal damnation. Doesn't matter where you've been what you've done, where you are, He loves you. You may be going through some rough times, why don't you accept him into your heart, it's easy. Say lord Jesus, forgive me, and save me. That's it! You have now just experience the greatest miracle in your life. He will now lead you into all truth. God Bless you all! Next post: -Rave-

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CH1N00K
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:03:30 AM

I don't know if you've noticed but most games that are rated "M" aren't suitable for Children and Christians..born again or not..You should know that. It is your choice whether you buy it or not. They aren't forcing this game unto you (like some people do with their beliefs) It's your choice to walk away. I'd suggest you think about that before you post on here again. Something also tells me that I may be posting this in Vain, because Political or "controversial" comments will generally get banned, and I think you my friend have crossed into a controversial area...

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Jordahn
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:37:01 AM

@ Ch1nook

I'm a Christian, and let me be clear that I play "Mature" games. That's all I'm going to say here because it's off topic.

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CH1N00K
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:58:50 AM

I may have worded that wrong. I didn't mean that to be an attack against Christianity. I was just saying that most Mature rated games don't necessarily uphold the moral teachings of the bible which some Christians would have a problem with.

But again..this is a discussion that is better suited for the forums.

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Alienange
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 9:37:43 AM

You don't like Fbombs while you're shooting people because you're a Christian? Besides being ridiculous, that has nothing to do with this article. If you've been reading here as long as you claim then how come you don't know better than to make a comment off topic?

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Saturday, April 04, 2009 @ 1:59:17 AM

@niceboy: Offtopic stuff like this belongs in the forums not a randomly chosen comment section. Please refer yourself to this topic http://www.psxextremeforums.com/gaming-discussion/9636-caution-could-deemed-controversial.html

I hope that you will remain a part of the site and community as a whole, but this is your warning you only get one. Next time your post will be deleted without warning.

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Jordahn
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:09:04 AM
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I didn't read all the responses, but let me just say this...

FACT: PS3 sales were greater than 360's from the 2007 Christmas shopping season (from Nov. 2007) until the 360 price drop last fall of 2008. There is a demand for the PS3. No doubt about it! Therefore, I see a $300 PS3 taking back that lead over the 360.

But the reality is that I'm not going to worry over it since there is not a $300 PS3, and I'm not going to expect it anytime soon. I'm just going to keep enjoying this quality console and its offering while telling other people about it.

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raztad
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 10:10:49 AM

@Jordan

You are spot on. The PS3 is doing fine overall, Im sure Sony is pretty happy about PS3 performance. They are even expecting to sell 10-15% more PS3 than last year. Moreso, dont expect a price drop BEFORE GoW3.

AAA quality games are coming, but AAA quality games we already HAVE. Right now I am enjoying one of the must UNDERrated game of this gen, that's Folklore. Awesome Action-rpg.

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CH1N00K
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:24:10 AM
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I'm more interested in seeing what the reactions on here will be like when the PS3 does start outselling the MS system. Inevitably as more people move to the PS3, so will some of the "haters" that are slamming the system now. Will the fanboysism slow down? or will the remaining MS fanboys simply ramp up their efforts?

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niceboy
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:27:32 AM
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What's so controversial about talking about ones belief? I see, so folks could insert fbombs and all sorts of other uncensored language on here, but when it comes to something decent, rule is it should be banned? And also, i know you don't mean that if a game or movie is rated as "mature" that it should have cursing, cause that's what you're saying when you state games that are listed as "M" is not for Christians. Call of Duty Modern Warfare had no FBOMBS, but a lot of action and hence went on to be the best selling FPS thus far. Word of mouth is big in game sales and if you have folks running around saying this game is good but i can't stand the indecent language, then a lot of folks will take notice. I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone, There are a lot on none Christians out there who feel just the way i feel. Killzone 2 would be better off, with no FBombs and less Sbombs. period. (Men! i wanted to rave for my next post not rant)

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Jordahn
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:35:12 AM

As much as people use profanity here, I see nothing wrong with taking about Christianity as long as it's done respectable. But this article isn't the place for such discussions.

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CH1N00K
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:46:38 AM

If you want to insist on discussing this, I would suggest you sign up for the forums and post in there. The discussions in there can be a little more liberal than in the comments section.
I will gladly have a discussion with you in there if you wish, but as Jordahn said..this is not the place for it.

Last edited by CH1N00K on 4/3/2009 8:47:16 AM

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JofaMang
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 9:04:09 AM

I smell a troll, tbh. Having been an internet forum nerd for like, 12 years, I've seen false bait like this a thousand times.

Someone that sincere about their beliefs has many avenues to discuss their religious opinions outside of a gaming website. What other purpose would such a cliche post have then to stir up negative responses? Could a sane rational person read this site and honestly figure that they would have a productive conversation about god's opinion on Video Games?

If you are sincere, I apologize, and suggest that you look for more belief specific forums and sites (or like suggested, in the forums here, not in response threads) to talk about your beliefs.

But I still think its a troll~

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Dustinwp
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 9:08:52 AM

Well I'm an atheist and see no problem with colorful language in video games. If I felt the way you do about cursing and gore in video games I would have bought a Wii. I have always considered Xbox/Playstation brands as the platforms geared towards more mature audiences.

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CH1N00K
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 9:10:23 AM

I had actually thought the same thing about the "Troll" when I first read it, but I took the bait anyways.If they respond here again then I'll ignore it. If they post in the forums, I'll gladly have a discussion with them. I'm always up for a good discussion, no matter what your background/belief.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 4:03:35 PM

Why do I get the feeling Ben decided to let us handle this for him?

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niceboy
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 9:36:44 AM
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No "Troll" here guys, just an honest avid video gamer posting his opinions, but as you said, we'll catch up on the forums, remember our opinons may vary on certain issues don't matter what the case is, in this one i'm stating that even non Christians that i talk to find no need for excessive "colourful" language in a video game that has the ability to appeal to a wide and i mean very wide audience. At least put in an option like say "Bad Company" that game has a feature that allows you to turn off the vile language, i think it's a great feature for people like me who've been in video gaming since atari days, listen this is not an attempt to "dis" no one and again, this aint no "troll" you mean not one of you can understand where i'm coming from? Think about it; not all gamers like that kind of language.

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CH1N00K
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 9:48:12 AM

Send me a message when you get in the forums. My name in there is that same as out here (CH1N00K) You can look me up in the members list. If anyone else wants to throw their 2 cents in, You're more then welcome to join. In the forums, though.

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Alienange
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 9:44:44 AM
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I have to say something about a PS3 price drop before I yell at niceboy.

PS3 price drop would be awesome. Agreed. Still, Sony has managed to prove itself even at a higher price range than the competition. When I bought my PS3, I never thought for a minute that I wasn't getting my money's worth. Turns out, I didn't know half of what the system did before buying it. I was, and am still, pleasantly surprised with what it does.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 4:05:52 PM

Me too dude, I had no clue about the onboard wireless!

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Alienange
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:13:47 PM

Then they gave us divx ... wireless streaming of divx ... need I say more? The system is awesome.

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crawdaddy
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 9:53:19 AM
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The suits at Sony need to get their heads out of their rear ends, and realize that with a 100.00 price cut sales would take off like a rocket. A demand for Ps3's would become so great that Sony could not manufacture them fast enough to keep them on the store shelves. Also they need to add the B.C. back with the upscaling of the graphics for Ps2 games. (I have one of those, and it is a great feature.) That would cover it all, and Ps3 would blow 360's and wii's away in sales, and every other way.

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CH1N00K
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 10:00:48 AM

If they are still taking a loss on production though, what's the point of losing more money on every sale just to sell more units? Especially in a time of recession, they need to make as much money off each unit as they can to survive, or else there might not be a PS4.

It seems for the most part on here that the people who have already purchased a PS3, they feel that they have gotten their money's worth when they have realized the full potential of the machine. I dropped 600 on the day I bought my 80gb Motorstorm bundle, And I haven't regretted it for a minute.

For all the entertainment I've gotten out of my system in the last couple years, it's already paid for itself.

Sure sales aren't skyrocketing, but they are steady..why should Sony change that. In these economic times, steady as she goes is the best place to be. If you see sales drop off drastically, then I think you'll see a price drop.

Why do you think there's so much news on the PS3? Good or bad, it's the system that everyone is talking about..and that is still good for business. People are interested in it, and Sony knows it. But you're not going to see a price drop until interest in it starts to wane or the competition starts to widen the sales gap by a lot.

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HOODGE
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 10:10:57 AM
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Sorry Ben disagree with you on the PS3 needing a price cut. No it doesn't. It is worth every penny and then some. Sony just needs to be better advertisers and besides I feel the sales will show for this year with the start of Sony's first amazing exclusive Killzone 2. We still haven't seen the sales for this title for March yet.

And with the amazing list of titles for 2009, Sony is gonna have an amazing push in sales.

One other important point one should consider. Just like Sony is not in competition with Nintendo, I feel the same can be said with Microsoft.

Sony really other than HD availability in no way can be compared to 360. I heard Koeller (Sony Rep) make a comment where he said that PS3 is not a machine to be compared to the other competitors and that the machine was in it's own bracket and described it as the Premium Gaming System with high value and with that comes premium price.

Don't think Mercedes vehicles will lower the price of their line to compete with GM products. That is how people have to see PS3

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CH1N00K
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 10:20:10 AM

I agree completely, thank you!

I've always seen the PS3 as a Gaming Computer as opposed to a game console. (Not much of a difference, I know, But enough for me.) Before the system released, I was studying the specs and could see that this machine had potential beyond gaming. Maybe it's because I'm a closet tech geek (guess the secrets out now..lol) but before this system hit the shelves, I knew that this was the one I wanted.I laid aside money just so I could have it.

When it comes to Current gen consoles, nothing can touch it's technical prowess..and that is why you get what you pay for.

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Alienange
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 10:25:54 AM

Bingo

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 4:14:43 PM

Believe it or not I've seen in the same publication the 360 touted as a "Video Game Entertainment System" and the PS3 as a "Computer Entertainment System"

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Deleted User
Monday, April 06, 2009 @ 1:09:40 AM

That makes no sense... using cars as an example doesn't work. You're saying that if GM can make a car that can perform at the same level as a BMW or Mercedes that Mercedes wont lower the price on their cars to compete? If GM does that and Mercedes doesn't answer it eventually it will erode their fanbase even if very slowly. If GM continues to make cars on that level for half the price it will eventually put a very large amount of stress on Mercedes. Life is not a dream this is reality. The reality is that the PS3 is worth every penny of 400 bucks, but the 360 gives you the same performance for half the price. You can cry all you want about whatever you think the PS3 has up on the 360, but at the end of the day the 360 is always going to be really cheap compared to the PS3 and have games comparable to anything the PS3 puts out. That's the reality of this and that is what we as gamers know... to the general public the 360 is better and in the US the PS3 is a very distant 3rd place with no hope of ever catching up.

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HOODGE
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 10:31:42 AM
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One last thing, If you want a 100.00 price cut, be prepared to hear Sony planning on charging a yearly subscription fee like Microsoft do for playing games online. They will have no choice to bring subscription fees into the picture to make up for the huge money they will lose on cutting the PS3 price tag. Consider the money Microsoft brings in at 50 bucks a pop for a Live subscription fee. Why do you think they can stay afloat. Lot's of interesting things to consider huh people? You want free online? Don't complain about the price tag. Want PS3 to be around? Think about it.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 10:33:23 AM
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I see we're back on track, but just for the record, let's not get involved in any religious debates. It really is off-topic and I don't want to start a holy war in the Comments. ;)

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telly
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 10:37:30 AM

You said it, man. Really not the place for that stuff! Keep religion and politics between you and those closest to you.

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Dooby_Scooby
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 9:51:13 PM

Its a tricky business that, why not ban via email address ? At least they have to go through the hassle of setting up a new email account every time one gets banned ?

Problem with banning ips, if the person is using a dynamic ip then it only takes them a few minutes to get a new ip then you can ban the range, but it also means anyone else using that same range gets banned as well.. (Used to run game servers and it used to be hell trying to keep people banned..)

also what you should do is check the ip address do a reverse look up see who they belong to, see if you get any interesting results lol.. Sometimes the ip addresses end up belonging to organisations you would never have believed it to belong to..

Anyway this is way off topic sorry.

Edit :: Sorry posted it in regards to wrong comment. My bad.

Last edited by Dooby_Scooby on 4/3/2009 9:52:54 PM

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telly
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 10:39:39 AM
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And Ben, you're absolutely right about PS3 -- the brand name is still incredibly strong, the game quality is top shelf, the hardware is just fantastic. The ONLY reason Sony isn't clobbering 360 now is price. Gears of War, Halo, Left 4 Dead, etc. are fantastic games, no question, but Sony's lineup is right there with them, and by this time next year Sony will unquestionably have established the best lineup in all of video games.

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blabblab
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 11:22:20 AM
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another typical article that fails. ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN AND GRADUATED ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CAN FIGURE OUT THAT THE LOWER THE PRICE OF AN ITEM, THE MORE IT SELLS. We understand that. Stop writing an artcle EVERY week about how a price cut helps sales.

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gumbi
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 12:20:05 PM

you know, you could always 'blab' somewhere else... ben's just writing what's on his mind and everyone else's mind. and right now the PS3 price cut is a hot topic. obviously it's generated plenty of discussion.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 4:16:37 PM

The point isn't to SELL more consoles, its to make more money. I'm tempted to call you a dummy but that's frowned upon.

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Nynja
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 1:06:26 PM
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The deciding factor? Games. It has always been about the games. MS was first out of the gate and used a similar development environment found on PCs. Games came fast, consumers ate it up. One problem, though, 360 was lacking platform and console exclusives. Most of the games on 360 can be found on another platform (PC or MAC).

PS3 started off in a slow jog and is finally hitting full stride. Games are pouring out and not just multi-platform games, but true console exclusives. Games that even PC gamers cannot play without a PS3.

I think with PS3 finally offering more (as Ben said) and 360 reliability gone out the door along with the extended 3 year warranty, it is only a matter of time before PS3 sales really begin to pick up.

Good points made in the article.

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Alienange
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:18:42 PM

You're absolutely right. It's part of the reason I was a PC gamer some time ago. I felt the games were better and it didn't bother me in the least to spend a grand to get the system that would play them. Not the case anymore. PS3 is satisfying PC gamers and console gamers alike for a measly 400. It's an epic win for Sony.

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Deleted User
Monday, April 06, 2009 @ 1:02:15 AM

Perhaps if you visited sites like vgchartz.com or read up on information you'd know that the newer 360s use a much cooler 65nm gpu and cpu and their fail rates are much lower... probably lower than all those 60 gig PS3s that seem to be dieing off left and right. And that 3 year warranty is for any console you buy even if you buy it today. The PS3 is a great system with loads of great games, but it's still got a long way to catch up with it's rival regardless of what you feel.

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Scarecrow
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 2:41:28 PM
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Aye aye, $300 is an easy price on most people. The $400 price is FAIR.

But man what you get with the ps3(quality, quality games, VARIETY, blu-ray, best controller, etc.) is A LOT. And for $300, the 360 would just look like a last gen console.

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SnipeySnake
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 3:16:05 PM
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I kinda hate rumble. When im playing scary games like fear/2.... D:<

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crawdaddy
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 5:01:31 PM
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Off subject, but what happened to ps3 giveaway for today with Fast and Furious package. No announcement yet!

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FFXIIIon360
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 6:03:53 PM
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Sony has already lost this generation. They do have more games out but no RPGs. Not to mention how bad PSN is compared to Xbox Live. Also Blu Ray has almost no other extras other than better picture and sound. Not to mention PS3 usually get's a bad port. Also 360 is half the price. If Sony wants the PS3 to survive they need to lower the price. Even if they did they won't have a chance of catching up to 360. No console has ever come back from this far in the generation. Even if by some miracle they beat 360, they couldn't get past the wii.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 6:15:45 PM

You mean coming back from a few million units to outsell a system that is for all intents and purposes run its course as far as devs can take it in 3 little years? You mean the tons of extras included in all Blu-Ray releases including games that access the internet? You mean the likes of Valkyria Chronicles, Demon's Souls, and the upcoming White Knight plus the superior FFXIII? AND the bad ports are in the past too. Sorry Josh but you fail again.

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CH1N00K
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 7:17:50 PM

I think they'll pass the 360 they're only what 8 million apart now? Catching the Wii..that would be amazing but I don't know if it will go that far. Unless all the people that outgrow the Wii buy a PS3 as their next console I don't see anyone touching the Wii...as sad as that is..

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Douchebaguette
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 7:27:42 PM

As I said last time on the firmware update article: All PS3 needs is it's own in-game private chat and there is no decent reason to pay for XBL.

Games run smoother on PSN due to dedicated servers, so yeh: I'd rather be playing hectic battles on Killzone 2 then playing Gears of War 2 where it takes literally sometimes about 4 seconds for a bullet to hit the damn ground [of course it hits the ground because the crappy lag allows my enemy to dodge the bullets].

Blu-ray is the only Hi-def choice of disc format, baka. And the having "No RPGs" excuse is a pathetic attempt to bite at the PS3's rise of decent exclusives [which is also BS, since PS3 is getting FFvsXIII, a superior FFXIII, & WKC].

The PS3 isn't surviving. The PS3 is actually doing well. So go die in a fire.

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Alienange
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:26:06 PM

"Also Blu Ray has almost no other extras other than better picture and sound. "

I'll give you a moment to remove your foot from your mouth before I continue.

No gamer on earth is satisfied with the 360 Arcade. No hard drive? Batteries in the controller? "Half the price" ... yeah, news flash, so's the DSi. Run along.

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HOODGE
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 7:48:11 PM
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I thought Josh360adams you were dead and buried. Another joke of a comment I must add.

On a side note on your beloved 360 Live piece of garbage apparantly there is a ton of complaints about the Party system kicking people out automatically. I was on Major Nelsons site and read about the new firmware update that just came out for Live a few days ago. I too by the way have a 360 and I received the update. I created a party and invited 2 other friends too it. We were chatting for a while and then I decided to boot up COD world at war and as soon as I did, my two buds got kicked from the party room.

What a joke, been happening all the time to me. Apparantly there were a lot of posts on that blog (415) and most of them were people complaining about since the NEW XBOX EXPERIENCE DASHBOARD launched last Nov, they have found the dashboard to be very laggy and with a lot of problems. A lot of complaints that the online gaming has gotten progressively worse.

And I can relate and agree with that. I've seen it. Microsoft has a big problem on their hands and people are realizing that their 50 dollar subscription fees are a joke now with how garbage the Live network is running.

Mixed in with a lot of the posts, frustrated Xbox customers are now saying that they have heard nothing but positives about PSN and how amazing the online gaming works and that now they are totally considering getting a PS3 and getting rid of their Xbox's.

I so loved hearing about that and just thought I'd share that info with you.

So Josh with the piss poor reliablitity of the machine, and now all the negativity surrounding the performance of live, and on top of that the empty pit of 1st party exclusives, It will be a short while for Sony to eventually surpass Microsoft this generation.

Sorry if this hits a sore spot for you, but clearly you have not a clue what you are talking about. Get on the Xbox forums and see for yourself.

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Alienange
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:29:30 PM

I'd get on the xbox forums but I don't think I could stomach it. Even if it was a bunch of complaints on there... I'd have an uncontrollable urge to scream "GET A PS3!"

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:32:05 PM
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...I always wonder if these trolling fanboys have any idea how long it takes for me to ban their IP.

'cough' 8 seconds 'cough'

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Monday, April 06, 2009 @ 12:58:21 AM

If you do that you've got a lot of banning to do. This may be a PS3 fansite, but that doesn't mean that those of us who are gamers should have to wade through tons of crap just to read the intelegent post. As an admin you should have a little more level headedness in your post as well. Trolling works both ways.

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HOODGE
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:47:09 PM
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True true Alienage. I feel sorry for people now. They are paying all this money for their Xbox Hobby and it is frustrating a lot of customers. Think every Xbox owner is a happy one. Think again. There are a lot of owners that have and are becoming Microsoft haters.

Sure the arcade at 200 sounds like a great deal, but add all the accessories you need and the crappy running service, and the 400 dollar PS3 price tag along with the amazing running PSN which is FREE by the way and is so close to having all the features Live offers, that price tag seems like a deal.

That is why I feel the 400 dollar PS3 is worth every single penny. You just can't lose. It's a win win situation. People just have to be made aware of that. What you get for you're buck.

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convergecrew
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 8:57:03 PM

Completely agree. Unfortunately, casual consumers of game systems are just short-sighted when it comes to these things, and no amount of advertising or whatnot seems to be able to change the fact.

MS is sneaky (and smart) with their marketing. Reel em in with a barebones system with a small price tag, and chip away at their wallets when they realize they need 200 worth of extras to make the system halfway decent. By the time they realize it, theyre not gonna go back on their initial investment.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 9:20:47 PM
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Launch 360, plus numerous replacements, plus $50 a year for online = Shoulda got a PS3 and a few games for the same price instead :)

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Deleted User
Friday, April 03, 2009 @ 9:58:45 PM
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A price cut is all well and good but only if Sony isn't losing money on the PS3 after it. They can't afford to bleed money. Once they make a profit on a $399 PS3 (after manufacturing costs go down enough that they aren't losing money for every PS3 made) for a few months, they will drop the price. Save that price drop for the Fall when Ratchet & Clank: A Crack In Time, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, God Of War 3 and probably Heavy Rain and White Knight Chronicles arrives. Don't do a price drop now.

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Xplicit
Saturday, April 04, 2009 @ 7:59:52 AM
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As soon as the production cost comes down a bit i know sony will stamp down that price, ever since they made the PS3 they have been loosing money and it only recently started to make them a profit. so as much as we all want sony to drop the price it isn't going to happen until sony can drop the price and still make SOME money, isn't that the whole point of a business?

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Robochic
Saturday, April 04, 2009 @ 10:15:12 AM
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I don't think it needs a price cut. For what you get with the machine and from the machine i would say its darn worth the price its at, if they make it super cheap then i have to deal with children on PSN, just like my friend has to endure them on Live, don't really want to deal with that.

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crawdaddy
Saturday, April 04, 2009 @ 2:38:23 PM
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Marketing 101: If you sell 10 items for 10.00, you made only 100.00. If you sell 100 items for 8.00 you made 800.00, and now lets subtract the 1.00 you lost on each item. 800.00 minus 100.00 equals 700.00. You are making much more money in the long run, in the same amount of time because you are selling a lot more items because you are selling them cheaper. I used to own a business, and when I had a sale I made less money on each item, but I made a lot more money quicker which made me show an overall profit in any given amount of time.

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scribby
Sunday, April 05, 2009 @ 1:50:49 PM
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Not sure a price cut alone would allow the PS3 to surpass the Xbox. As mentioned many times, Sony fails to capitalize on the fact that the PS3 has so many other "adult" features that can make it a central piece in the AV closet. I bought the 80 gig years ago not only because I have always owned a PS, but because of the Blu-Ray player - it was a no brainer. With better advertising, the PS3 would dominate at a lower price point. However, XBox has the younger set and they all clamour for the XBox (friends have it, family has it, I gotta have it mentality). The PS3, for me, does everyting I need it to and more - games, movies, music, pics. It is the central piece in my AV closet. Something I could not say if I plugged my son's XBox in there.

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shootu
Monday, April 06, 2009 @ 2:06:29 AM
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@ Niceboy... YOUR ON THE WRONG SITE! Go to wasteoftimebiblethumping .com

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shootu
Monday, April 06, 2009 @ 2:07:40 AM
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@Niceboy... Ur on the wrong site! Go to wasteoftimebiblethumping.comm

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shootu
Monday, April 06, 2009 @ 2:09:38 AM
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Why wont u post my comments. There not rude, no bad words and im not doing anything wrong. So?????

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shootu
Monday, April 06, 2009 @ 2:10:30 AM
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@Niceboy YOUR ON THE WRONG F-ING SITE! Go to wasteoftimebiblethumping,com

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slugga_status
Monday, April 06, 2009 @ 11:53:21 AM
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Cueil your in defense of an inferior system and why? I'd love to compare your so called failure percentages of the new 360's and the 60gigs. You might realize there aren't so many that you actually think.

PS3 a long way to catch up??? Doubt that highly. For a system that was released after the 360, the gap has closed significantly. If you simply want to look at sales then you have to factor in the repeat buyers.

In the car scenario..if GM made a vehicle that performs the same as a Mercedes or BMW, neither would lower their prices at all. What would happen and what does happen is that they will make another vehicle that is better.

Anywho, a price cut would help the PS3 but its not necessary. My thought process is if I save enough to get the cheapest 360, then I can save another $200-300 and get a PS3. If you want the best you have to pay the price..very simple.

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HansMoleman
Monday, April 06, 2009 @ 3:18:45 PM
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Cueil is in denial just like many, many, many other xbots out there who have been duped/brainwashed into defending their "toy". (The 360 is a toy in my honest opinion, not a true gaming console/computer/blu ray machine like the PS3)

Any smart consumer gets what they pay for. The finer things in life cost money. I think it is soooo funny that many xbots think it is actually acceptable to play a faulty, broken console. And they actually defend it!!!

Whatever Cueil, enjoy your xbox 3fixme. Continue to get nickel and dimed by M$. Continue to pay for your online gaming, AA batteries (LOL!), play and charge kits etc. Play some Viva Pinata. I will be busy playing my launch PS3 20g (Now 120 gig) that I have had absolutely no problems with. And enjoying all these GREAT exclusives on the horizon! I could care less about sale numbers, my PS3 makes me happy and *gasp* it actually works when I want it to!

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twenty8nine
Tuesday, April 07, 2009 @ 3:10:01 AM
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$100 isn't all that much for the improvement over the 360. Since the games cost the same, the added cost per game will be quite a bit lower as the number of games increases.

Besides, once you work out the total equation (wireless card, wireless controllers, online gaming access), the PS3 becomes a lot cheaper.

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cadena
Tuesday, April 07, 2009 @ 9:15:33 PM
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Well i think it can surpass the 360 in sales but sonys really needs to thing when to bring it out to the market. And by that i mean when exclusives like god of war, jak&dexter etc.. will come out because i think it will bring a huge amount of money to sony since they are having problems with the economy in japan.

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