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Capcom Swears RE5 Versus Mode Wasn't On The Disc

The controversy surrounding Capcom and Resident Evil 5 has raged long and loud across the Internet, and it centers on whether or not the publisher charged extra for on-disc content.

The new Versus mode, which recently became available for purchase and download on the PlayStation Store and Xbox Live Marketplace, is a surprisingly small download. It clocks in at only 1.8MBs on the Xbox 360 and 351KB on the PS3, and this has led to the assumption that this "new" Mode wasn't really new at all; that it was already on the disc. But according to Siliconera, Capcom swears this isn't the case; that it's not a simple unlock key we're downloading. Vice President Christian Svensson said very clearly:

"Keys are 100K or less. It is not a key. We have said in the past, it uses assets from the disc (like levels, models, audio, etc.) but the code is new and does not exist on the disc."

Even if this is true, it begs the question: can publishers hide little extras on game disks and charge consumers more to unlock them at a later date? How many gamers would even notice that they're downloading a simple unlock key? We're not saying this has happened in the past, but publishers have this thing about making money...in that, they want to make as much as possible, like any business. And they could probably twist the rationale around enough so it might even seem legitimate. What's your take on the issue?

Related Game(s): Resident Evil 5

4/10/2009 John Shepard

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Comments (66 posts)

chicko1983
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 10:17:46 PM
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Funny, I was speaking to a mate of mine last night who is currently a casual gamer and bought a wii but is now looking at getting a PS3 (well, I am trying to convince him to).
He asked about downloadable content and how it works and I told him about how you could download levels, gameplay modes, costumes etc for games after they were released. When I told him that the DLC usually comes about 3mths or so after the release of the game he couldnt understand why they wouldnt put it on the full retail disk. I couldnt really tell him a good reason other than for the developers and publishers to make more money. He didnt like the idea of it and is now somewhat put off from getting a PS3 now.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 10:34:09 PM

I don't understand how that could make someone not buy something. DLC is content that was created after the game was released and expands upon the initial creation. Sure some people abuse it, (ie. Capcom) but it's normally quite nice (ie. MediaMolecule). Either way, he doesn't HAVE to get the free or premium DLC, just play the game as is.

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Odd Child
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 11:06:42 PM

It's also a blu-ray player :')

I think some DLC Should be included on the disc, But if they continue adding DLC a year down the road that shows some incentive.

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yak4life85
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 10:29:49 PM
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It had to be on the disc all ready. Too small of a download.

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Morals
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 10:33:35 PM
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Capcom is lying.

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Morals
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 10:41:11 PM

351 kb makes 359424 bytes so about 154624 bytes of space take up so they can say it wasn't already on the disk.

The versus mode being included in the blu-ray version of R5 is very plausible being an blu-ray and all that extra space left over, it would be very tempting not to put something you had already made on a disk when you have that much space to spare.

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jlch777
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 10:34:43 PM
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This should have been included as an update or a patch for the game.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 10:36:16 PM
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Lies and Gorilla Dust! It's a key with a little padding. Even the patch to "fix" the KZ2 controls was bigger.

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Oyashiro
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 10:52:15 PM
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351KB? Even if this was new code, I am not paying $5 for 351KB.

Oh and Versus Mode sucks the big one! Saw it being played on my friends 360. Not worth it at all.

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Morals
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 10:55:24 PM

im a loving the Persona 4. God i hope they do an anime of it next season.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 10:59:33 PM

I'm diggin P4 as well, Yukiko ftw.

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Oyashiro
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 11:05:44 PM

Chie <3

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Morals
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 10:39:00 AM

chie's so moe

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 12:43:54 PM

moe?

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Tatsujin
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 11:28:22 PM
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Capcom isnt lying. It makes no sense, seeing that they never even hinted at a Versus mode untill around after its release. Either way, Versus is extremely fun... I am glade I put 5 bucks on it.

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godsman
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 12:03:40 AM

Thats not the problem. The problem is that these developers have these ideas, but refuses to put them on the disc. If it was like a couple hundred Mb, and it doesn't fit on a Dvd, tough luck for PS3 players, its understandable. PS3 gamers will get over it. The fact that its only 300Kb and 1.8Mb files. They are holding back potential free experience for gamers to try. This is one reason why the PS2 era was so much better.

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aaronisbla
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 3:59:14 AM

Capcom IS lying but if it helps you out, no they are truthful...

BTW, this versus mode was announced before its release, not afterwards and its one of the reasons why some are upset

i know its just opinions, but after trying this versus mode out...... this sh!t sucks balls, plain and simple. I can't believe some people were suckered into paying for such a boring vs mode.

The thing thats more upsetting than capcom's charging for stuff thats already on the disk ( sorry but capcom has fooled you if you think it was separate ) is the way they handled a vs mode.

Its not something you charged for and anyone paying money for it might end up regretting it. For vs mode, you want as many players playing your game as possible, but in this case, you gimp your own audience and lowers the amount of people playing your game, therefore lowering the replay value of your game, the very thing capcom is trying increase.

Serves them right i guess, but its not gonna be the last of them charging high prices for dlc that isn't worth it. SF4 and RE5 are just the start

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JasperLoons
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 11:29:28 PM
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If I wasn't so disgusted, I would almost feel sorry for them. First the controls and now this. They just can't win.

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BTNwarrior
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 11:42:05 PM
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When I first got the game I checked the trophies, and since day one there have been trophies that were for versus mode. Now correct me if I'm wrong but for trophies to exist shouldn't the code already be in the game to unlock them?

Oh and because they show up even though I don't have the DLC this means I will never get that coveted Platnum trophy

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Oyashiro
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 11:48:00 PM

True! It was all on disc! Versus Mode was not a after thought! They planned this from the very begging.

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godsman
Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 11:58:08 PM
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This is ridiculous.
"Keys are 100K or less. It is not a key. We have said in the past, it uses assets from the disc (like levels, models, audio, etc.) but the code is new and does not exist on the disc."

Isnt that the same thing as saying... "The content is existing on the disc already, downloading the code allows you to play it" ???

That is just a code that allows mersinaries online. They use the same characters, same maps. There's nothing new. Now the question is, is the 300Kb+ file that much work that they could not fit them in the original disc before the release date?


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ThugNificent101
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 12:41:30 AM
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Its possible that it was on the disc already. They are simply saying it wasnt because the want more money.
Maybe they had a few tweaks left by the time the game was released, so they decided to finish up and remove the bugs and such- then decided... "why release it in a patch when we can put it out as DLC and make a bit of money?"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 1:01:41 AM
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Wait, why are the sizes different for 360 and PS3?

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Oyashiro
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 1:12:58 AM

They padded the 360's key a little more. XD

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 1:47:41 AM

haha, yeah it had to look bigger and better to please MS.

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ThugNificent101
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 2:10:59 AM

It is possible as well that they compressed the ps3 downlload due to the fees that sony is charging

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JasperLoons
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 10:24:01 AM

Those fees are for downloads over 1gb. And even if they weren't, at 16 cents per gb, it would have to be about 60mb for them to even be charged 1 cent.

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ThugNificent101
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 3:15:58 PM

Its actually for any download. the fee is charged for every gig downloaded, accumulative. "a bandwidth fee of $0.16 cents per GB of free and paid content downloaded" It doesnt say for files over a gig.
while im sure it wouldnt have reached 1 gig so that they can charge, they may simply be testing how well it works when the data is compressed.

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JasperLoons
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 3:51:35 PM

After a little googling... looks like I was mistaken ThugNificent. The article I initially read suggested the fee only applied if the file being downloaded was over 1gb, but I guess that's wrong.

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Orvisman
Sunday, April 12, 2009 @ 7:42:52 PM

@World,

I was just going to ask that same thing?

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slackernz
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 1:57:28 AM
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If they can give us 300+mb download patches for free, I think it's disgusting that Capcom is making us pay for a 350k download. Does Capcom think we're retarded by saying the mode wasn't on the disc?

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Dealnightfire
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 2:00:33 AM
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Capcom is very lame just like they are with the SF4 costumes. SF4 costumes were already on the disc as well and they charge high prices for those too. The practice won't stop since people pay for it.

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aaronisbla
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 4:00:08 AM

the fact that some people pay for this crap is mindboggling, but i don't have control over their wallets

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Deadman
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 1:18:26 PM

Stuff like the SF4 costumes should be like a bonus for completing the game with those characters not as a pricey DLC or add on for the CE.

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Banky A
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 4:44:14 AM
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Lies I tell ye'.

Just because Dead Space was more atmospheric than your RE5 game, that's real mature Capcom lol

=D

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CrazyIrishBoy
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 7:04:33 AM
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Mother*****rs. Download content is the worst thing that has ever happenned. Its not as if a blue ray disk cant hold the f**king data. They can suck my ***k b4 i pay for download content.

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dveisalive
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 8:51:13 AM
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Ok is it me or do you get ripped of with DLC? I mean the only time DLC works for me is new levels thats all, but to waste money to get a new costume (Dead Space, Soul Calibur 4) is stupid when you can get it by playing the game. I mean the content is already on the disc most of the time, but DLC needs to be more creative. Madden 10 needs DLC badly cause im tired of buying it yearly, just for a d** roster and somewhat graphical update. I want my NFL 2k10 not Madden rip you off BS new features etc...

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neostorm
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 9:02:10 AM
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ok first of all its obvious the vs mode was always there and this was just an unlock key.but can i just point out that resident evil games have always been offline single player games so why shouldnt they charge you for making it online regardless of how crap it is or if it was always on the disc,they didnt have to make it online or even co-op for that matter.
neo's final thought----if you don't like it don't buy it --simples

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Oyashiro
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 3:29:00 PM

What about RE: Outbreak File 1&2? The ones that did online Co-op right, and better than RE5. ;)

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Minishmaru
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 9:11:09 AM
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Resident evil 5 was worth renting, but even with this new gameplay mode...I wouldn't waste 60 bucks, if you can get a deal for like 40 bucks maybe tho.

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Minishmaru
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 9:11:14 AM
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Resident evil 5 was worth renting, but even with this new gameplay mode...I wouldn't waste 60 bucks, if you can get a deal for like 40 bucks maybe tho.

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Robochic
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 9:57:23 AM
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not interested in the versus mode at all even if that means i don't get 100% trophies.

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Vivi_Gamer
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 12:18:32 PM
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Meh, even if it wasnt, you lok at Unreal Tornament III and all there free upgrade DLC it puts the rest of them to shame, i sold RE5, I played it for a day, then played RE: Code Veronica X and realised how awful it was.

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NiteKrawler
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 1:03:52 PM
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Who cares if it is on the disc? They still took the time to create it. Does it really matter if they took the time before or after release of the full game? Like if it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it was created AFTER the game's release, it would make it ok? Strange logic in my mind.

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daus26
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 2:37:05 PM
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The real problem is developers charging us for something they could put on the discs before releasing it. It's not like they ran out of space on the disc and forced to put it off for a download content.

They simply choose to put it off for download content to get more money, simple. It's not because they had to rush sale, not because they can't do it at the time, not because disc space was insufficient (hell 50 gig blu-ray), and certaintly not because the effort to make it was something that's worth paying. I've seen bigger GT5P updates and other patches for free.

Its the money..period. This is just one of the flaws of next gen. Developers might not be maxing out as much as they could on the retail disc.

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Doosharm
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 3:11:17 PM
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I think it is irrelevent that they had the space to fit the EXTRA CONTENT onto the disk. Who cares? It was never mentioned as being included in the game you agreed to shell out $60 for. As far as I'm concerned, its an EXTRA feature whether its on the disk or not and you should have to pay to have the extra content. Why is it so unethical to charge for extra content stored on a disk but not unethical to create content and store it in their servers for you to download? In the end its all the same thing. They are charging you for the single player experience when you buy the disk, not all of the extras that they will unveil down the road, regardless of whether it fits on the disk.

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Oyashiro
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 3:37:13 PM

Except for the fact they announced this before the game came out, and Trophies for the Versus Mode came on disc. There is also the fact that Capcom is already a offender with this kind of things before.

Capcom does not get the benefit of the doubt. They had this planned for a very long time.

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NiteKrawler
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 3:58:41 PM

Ok so if Guerilla Games had said before launch that they would be making extra maps and stuff after release, it would be unethical to put a price on them? This is all dumb. It's Capcom's choice to sell this. With all the money troubles developers are going through these days, it's probably a good thing that they are getting this extra cash. It's just business people. And it's just $5, and they aren't forcing you to get it. I think we need to get over it.

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Oyashiro
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 4:16:53 PM

New content =/= Content locked or left out to be sold later.

No one has a problem with content being made post production of the game. This, What Capcom is doing right now, Leaving content off disk or locked on disk to sale us a key later for five dollars. It is unacceptable.

Its not a matter of "You don't have to buy it", This should not have happened in the first place.

How would you like it if I where to sell you a briefcase. Then in order to open that briefcase you have to buy the combination to the lock for extra?

This is what they are doing, This is what they did with street Fighter 4, This is what Namco did with Soul Caliber. This is not what DLC was made for, This is abusing the system.

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NiteKrawler
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 5:26:45 PM

Well to be perfectly frank, I wouldn't have bought a briefcase that I couldn't get into in the first place. By that analogy, it would be like Capcom sold us the game for $60 and then in order to even play it at all, we had to pay $5 more. I could understand people being mad if Capcom said that the game came with versus for free, but that is not the case. They gave us the full game already. If they deem this mode worthy of 5 extra dollars, then so be it. It's not our decision.

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Oyashiro
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 5:44:43 PM

Oh, Don't get me wrong. They did sell us the complete game. We cant access it all without paying extra for the key. Thats what the analogy was about.

People defending them and buying this stuff are not helping the situation at all. They are allowing them to get away with unethical practices.

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NiteKrawler
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 6:22:49 PM

Well, I guess our definition of what is unethical is quite different. In my mind, what Capcom has done is no different than what any other developer has done with DLC. The only difference is that they announced it before release and maybe had it done before release.

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giant123
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 7:45:22 PM
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ok these is where we call in the hackers!!!!!!!
hey hackers look at the code for us, and then we can get a mob together and....

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karneli lll
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 9:03:09 PM
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Capcom - con artists; potato - patato

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Doosharm
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 10:38:34 PM
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I think the big deal here is that people think Capcom cut back on features that should have been included in the retail version of the game just to offer them later at an additional cost. I say no way. Of course, it is a little suspicious that the extra content seems to be stored right on the game disk, but it doesn't really matter.

Sure, some companies may cut back on the retail game, limiting features that should normally be included in the game, just to charge you for them later. But I really don't see that being the case here. In no way is RE5 a lesser game for not including Versus on the disk. Afterall, we didn't see this in the previous RE titles did we? There is no golden rule saying that games in the RE series need multiplayer mode.

No matter how you look at it, Versus is add-on content. It is something outside of the single player game that Capcom sold you. It was always intended as add-on content and to be sold as such for an additional fee.

My guess is that most developers have their add on content planned out ahead of time and probably have a decent amount completed before the game launches, at least for the big blockbusters. If a company decides to save some time and bandwidth by just tacking it onto the game disk, so be it. Just because Capcom put some extra code on your disk doesn't mean they owe you anything extra. In no way is that unethical, its good business practices. They saved you time and they saved bandwidth. Tacking some of the code on the disk may have even saved you money.

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NiteKrawler
Saturday, April 11, 2009 @ 11:07:13 PM

Well said Doosharm. I was going to make a point about it saving people time and money earlier as well but forgot. If the code wasn't on the disc in the first place (assuming it was, and I don't) then people would have longer download times. I just don't understand why this is so unethical just because it was announced before the game launched. Talk about a technicality.

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Oyashiro
Sunday, April 12, 2009 @ 12:09:05 AM

"Of course, it is a little suspicious that the extra content seems to be stored right on the game disk, but it doesn't really matter. "

Not seems, It was. They did this with SF4 as well. It was all on disk, and you buy keys to unlock it. And it does matter as you are paying again for something that you already bought.

"Sure, some companies may cut back on the retail game, limiting features that should normally be included in the game, just to charge you for them later. But I really don't see that being the case here. In no way is RE5 a lesser game for not including Versus on the disk."

Yes it does make it lesser of what it could be. Blocking it and then making people pay extra drastically limits the amount of people that will be using that mode. Thus making it a lesser experience.

"No matter how you look at it, Versus is add-on content. It is something outside of the single player game that Capcom sold you. It was always intended as add-on content and to be sold as such for an additional fee."

Other than the fact that this barely should count as DLC and more of a Patch they are making you pay for. I agree with you that Capcom intended this to be a "add on" all along, for us to pay for. We all probably know that. Does that justify it? No, a money grab is a money grab no mater who you try to twist it.

"My guess is that most developers have their add on content planned out ahead of time and probably have a decent amount completed before the game launches, at least for the big blockbusters. If a company decides to save some time and bandwidth by just tacking it onto the game disk, so be it. Just because Capcom put some extra code on your disk doesn't mean they owe you anything extra. In no way is that unethical, its good business practices. They saved you time and they saved bandwidth. Tacking some of the code on the disk may have even saved you money."

Really? What you just said that they are doing is unethical and probably illegal in some countries with stricter laws on digital distribution. Not only is it unethical, its borderline "Double Dealing" and/or "False advertisement".

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NiteKrawler
Sunday, April 12, 2009 @ 12:59:19 AM

Oyashiro, you seem to "know" a lot of stuff as fact. Since you "know" that this code was already on the disc, I'm assuming you personally went into the disc and found it? And as for it being illegal in some countries, what exactly would this law be? What kind of law outside of an authoritarian system would tell a company how it can and cannot sell its goods?

If you think Capcom is unethical for doing this, send back your game and boycott them. When they put out their financial numbers down the road, you can see how many people agree with you.

By the way, Resistance 2 charges $6 for maps which will mean that less gamers will play them. That means it is a lesser experience. That's unethical too right? By your logic, any DLC with a price tag is unethical because it discourages players from using that content, making it a "lesser experience". I guess MMO's that aren't free-2-play are unethical too then. What a whirl.

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Oyashiro
Sunday, April 12, 2009 @ 4:32:59 AM

Yes, because most of this is fact. They have done this before. And every country has laws that tell how company's can and cannot sell there goods. Some countries have laxer Digital media laws as they are slightly harder to enforce. And even if this is new code, that is all it is. It is nothing more than a patch that turns friendly fire in Mercenary mode on.

I can tell you what there numbers will say. It sold wonderfully. There numbers are nothing but how many where shipped to retailers. To them Shipped = Sold.

And let me Quote myself again.

"No one has a problem with content being made post production of the game."

This "DLC" was most likely complete months before the game was printed and shipped. This is the reason people have problems with it. I have no problem with buying actual DLC. This is just the cancer of the system.

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Doosharm
Sunday, April 12, 2009 @ 1:02:47 AM
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"Not seems, It was. They did this with SF4 as well. It was all on disk, and you buy keys to unlock it."

Really? Where is the evidence for this? In this article Ben is suggesting that some people believe it was on the disk. As of right now it seems nobody knows for sure but Capcom, and they say it ain't so.

"And it does matter as you are paying again for something that you already bought."

But you DID NOT buy the add-on content. What you bought was the single player game. Nowhere on the package does it say that you are buying Versus as well. Even if the data was indeed included on the disk, what you bought then was essentially RE5 with some extra code. Getting upset about that would be like flipping out on Rockstar because they didn't let you play the locked "Hot Coffee" content. Just because there is some data on a disk that you bought does not mean you are entitled to it.

"Yes it does make it lesser of what it could be. Blocking it and then making people pay extra drastically limits the amount of people that will be using that mode. Thus making it a lesser experience."

So RE5 is a worse game because it did not include an extra mode which you yourself said "sucks the big one!" and is "Not worth it at all" ? Seems a little hypocritcal to me.

"Other than the fact that this barely should count as DLC and more of a Patch they are making you pay for. I agree with you that Capcom intended this to be a "add on" all along, for us to pay for. We all probably know that. Does that justify it? No, a money grab is a money grab no mater who you try to twist it."

This is not a patch, its a new play mode. How is an entirely new play mode not worthy of being add-on content? You're getting another mode for $5. How many other games give you that for free? None. Why should Capcom?

"Really? What you just said that they are doing is unethical and probably illegal in some countries with stricter laws on digital distribution. Not only is it unethical, its borderline "Double Dealing" and/or "False advertisement"."

Having a game plan is unethical? Creating original content for a game is unethical? Again, how is it unethical? I don't know of any other countries where you aren't allowed to charge people to buy a product you've created. And lastly, there was no false advertising. They advertised RE5. You bought RE5. Where did they lie to you and deceive you? When did they tell you that you would also get Versus for free? When did they say that Versus mode was going to be implemented out of the box? They didn't. They gave you exactly what you paid for and they gave everybody who bought Versus exactly what they paid for. If anything I think people should be thankful that the add-on was as quick to download and as cheap as it was. I think I spent more time and money downloading a single pack of LBP costumes.

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Oyashiro
Sunday, April 12, 2009 @ 4:57:40 AM

Capcom has been proven guilty of this before. They do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. At this point they need to be proven innocent on this one.

People got upset at the "Hot Coffee" Because it was digitized sex that could be accessed with a simple pro action replay code. Then Rockstar lied and said it was never on disk and that the people made it themselves. The game got removed from shelves and got re-rated as AO for a while. That had nothing to do with people upset that it was locked to them.

Just because i felt the mode sucks, does not negate it of the fact that it does lessens the experience of the game. Less content you got access to = less..

Plenty of games give you new play modes and content for free, and its completely new content as well! The best one that comes to mind it Burnout Paradise. Fun game, everyone should play it.

Reselling people content that they already paid for is unethical. Its like selling a person a car with a working radio and holding the knobs to the radio hostage for a extra fee. Just because they planned it before hand does not make it right... It makes it premeditated. And LBP costumes have zero affect on game play. Plus they are completely new content not found on disk and they release some for free.

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NiteKrawler
Sunday, April 12, 2009 @ 10:58:49 AM

"Capcom has been proven guilty of this before." Guilty of what? Good business sense? Why do you think that you paid for Versus already? You DID NOT. I don't understand that at all.

And saying "less content you have access to = less" is just wrong. Again, Resistance 2 sells maps for $6. That means that some players won't get them which is unethical by your logic. Just because some games have free DLC doesn't mean they all should either.

And again, your analogy holds no water. You KNEW the knobs would be an extra fee, yet you bought the car anyway. What Capcom did is in no way like that analogy because Capcom never said the "knobs" were free or included.

I'd also like you to fetch me a law from anywhere that would find Capcom guilty of any crime for doing this. Be able to back stuff up before you talk. Just like how it is "fact" that the code was already on the disc.

Finally, answer me something. What if versus mode had been created postproduction and the code was NOT on the disc? Would it be magically ok? I'm assuming you'll probably say that "no, because it should have just been a free patch because it is so small." Well that is only your opinion. It doesn't mean that Capcom is being unethical at all. They aren't.

P.S. When you say that it was "premeditated", you make it sound like Capcom has committed murder. I think you need a firmer grasp of reality.

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Doosharm
Sunday, April 12, 2009 @ 2:17:00 PM

Haha. Well I'm not going to get into this any more. Clearly Oyashiro has a different opinion than you and I NiteKrawler. Faulty logic or not it would seem that a lot of people here feel the same way as him. I wonder if Ben or Arnold have an opinion on this since I'm guessing they would know the facts and the industry a bit better than I. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit that, but given the evidence that I've seen charging for Versus is totally legitimate, whether some code was on the disk or not.

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NiteKrawler
Sunday, April 12, 2009 @ 2:42:57 PM

Yeah, I think it really just comes down to opinion. Even if the code was on the disc, I see nothing wrong with that. Some people think differently so arguing is pretty pointless. I'm out too.

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Oyashiro
Sunday, April 12, 2009 @ 8:51:39 PM

Then its settled, We will agree to disagree on this.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, April 14, 2009 @ 4:42:56 AM
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I'm going to buttinsky here with my own .02 cents.

Let's just say I pay $100 for a vacuum cleaner for instance, then I've bought it, which it makes it "ALL" mine.
Which also makes every accessory that comes with it, on it, or in it, mine too. You can't just f*cking charge me for a key, or a code to unlock the off/on switch.

If it isn't illegal, it damned well should be.
At the very least, it's immoral, and it's unscrupulously conniving of Capcom to try and do a shakedown of it's customers.

Capcom's new policy reads like a "Mafia Ethics" handbook now!

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