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PS3 Exclusives Will Continue To Leave The Competition Behind

Let's face it: the console war comes down to exclusive software. Everything else can be categorized as either trivial or gravy; the top-notch, must-have software that can only be played on one particular platform drives hardware sales. When Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots came out, PlayStation 3 sales spiked for two straight months. When Gears of War 2 came out later in the year, Xbox 360 sales left the other two consoles in the dust. It's just the way of the industry.

Therefore, I think Microsoft and Nintendo should probably take note- Sony is coming hard with the exclusives and they're going to continue to push the envelope. We already have MGS4 and Killzone 2, both of which are arguably - note I said "arguably," naysayers - as good or better than anything on either the 360 or Wii. And we've still got Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, MAG, Heavy Rain, Ratchet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time and Gran Turismo 5 in the future. These are games that will not only sell PS3s but will very likely eclipse any exclusive offerings on either of the other two consoles. This is merely speculation, of course, and being a big fan of Gears and the Halo franchise (I own every title in each series), I won't say the 360 isn't capable of competing. But just based on what I see now, it seems that PS3 exclusives not only have the edge...they're destined to dominate. And did everyone see Project Trico? I mean...does anything look so promising for the competition?

And the further along we get, the more exclusives should continue to excel. Hence, wouldn't it be safe to assume that the more developers get out of the PS3's superior hardware, the larger the gap between Sony and its competition will become...? We've all been saying for quite some time that if a developer simply buckles down and focuses entirely on the PS3, they'll produce something better than what could be done on the 360. The fanboys wanted to laugh at that, but based on the exclusives we've already seen and the ones that are on the way...is there any denying this fact any longer? Look, I just calls 'em as I sees 'em. Show me evidence to the contrary rather than shrieking "biased!" at the top of your lungs, and maybe I'll give a listen. Otherwise, just shut it and accept the current facts of the situation. ;)

5/19/2009 Ben Dutka

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tes37
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 @ 10:28:28 PM
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The developers of exclusives just seem more enthusiastic about their work. It's got me wanting to avoid multiplatforms altogether.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 @ 11:44:41 PM

That's exactly it

They go 'bout it in a more "personal" way when it's only for one console.

When it's multiplat it's like "damn we have to make it for both."

So it's more 'bout the money they want to make than anything...

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Qubex
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 1:44:44 AM

You wouldn't want to avoid Modern Warfare II though? That is multiplat!

Q!

"i am home"

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wasim
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 2:23:13 AM

well
KZ2 alone makes anything on x360 look totally outdated not to even mention Uncharted 2
I really feel bad for x360 cuz the console might meet its death at e3

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Godslim
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 4:01:15 AM

yeh dunno wanna avoid mw2 lol it mp but one of the best games on any console

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 1:48:28 PM

Most FPSs make me cringe, Call of Duty is one of them

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godsman
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 4:04:08 PM

Im thinking of ignoring multi-platform too. There are just too many exclusive games on PS3, and everyone probably just buy 5-6 games a year anyway. The exclusives covers it all. There's no need to buy multi-platform. I would ignore FFXIII too if it weren't a final fantasy.

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MornelitheVT
Thursday, May 21, 2009 @ 11:38:14 AM

Well, I think with regards to the PS3, and Xbox for that matter you're correct. Multi-platform games are simply too 'generalized' across both the PS3/360 hardware to justify the cost. What I strongly recommend however, is, while you're passing on multi-platform games, put that excess into purchasing parts for a gaming PC. At this point, I only purchase exclusives for my PS3. Everything else, I get for my PC, because the hardware scalability is just vastly superior on PC.

But...I can't miss out on the 1st party games from Sony either, so...heheh.


Morne

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 @ 10:35:22 PM
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Ben -

While I agree with your case you made on the PS3's exclusives, the problem persists in that the developers working on games for the PS3 have not taken advantage of what the black machine can do. Until the PS3's games(exclusive and multiplatform alike) actually stand out above the 360's titles, the PS3 will fail to deliver everything it's supporters deserve, and draw the unfair criticism.

For example (and not limited to)--

The PS3/PSN accepting PC mods for games. Example - Unreal Tournament 3
The PS3's ability to directly import Youtube videos. Example - HAWX.
The PS3's being able to "screen capture" during gameplay. Example - ??????
The Blu Ray storage capacity - Several, but limited amount of examples.

Of course there are more to list, but I believe my point has been made. I love my PS3(s), and have talked nearly everyone of my friends that didn't have one into getting one, but we all agree that the PS3's games should be head and shoulders better then anything the 360 has, but when it comes down to it, a vast majority of the games are not.

BTW - I don't have a 360 or a Wii anymore because I see what the PS3 is capable of.

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somethingrandom
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:16:02 AM

There is a screen capture tool in Motorstorm 2, and I think a few others.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:25:24 AM

I see your point about the games needing to stand out, and I think GOWIII, GT5, and perhaps Heavy Rain will do just that, but I don't really care if it ever takes mods, has youtube imports, or screen cap. Those aren't on my high priority list ya know?

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Highlander
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:42:43 AM

Your examples and criticisms have nothing to do with the quality of the games, and as such that just doesn't address the point that Ben is/was making.

Many games feature picture modes, some have replay modes, some can record replays... But these are not game features these are platform features. For a game to stand out above the competition it has to be a better representation of the genre than the competitor. As such, I would say that Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction and LBP are both above the competition in the platforming genre. Uncharted 1 is head and shoulders above it's competition in the action adventure third person game genre. KZ2 is arguably ahead of the competition in the FPS genre. Rather than poke holes in Sony's platform implementation, look at the games and compare them. Ben's point is a solid one. PS3 exclusive games continue to push and push, and the PS3 has a great deal of headroom thanks to it's CPU that the 360 *may* lack. That is really what we are talkig about here, not peripheral features like video capture to You Tube.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 11:46:11 AM

My point with the un-used features was to show what the devs for the PS3 are failing to do.

Nearly every multiplatform title on the PS3 and 360 is nearly identical. This should not be the case. Correct? Shouldn't every PS3 game be superior in almost all regards? How many more people would buy a PS3 version of the software if it had extra features that Sony made mandatory?

Uncharted, MGS4, and Killzone 2 have all provided the PS3 with excellent examples of what visual fidelity should be like. But did any of these games re-write the genre? No. Did they need to? No. But what they needed to do was maximize EVERYTHING the PS3 can do.

Staying with Killzone 2, the game failed to include Youtube/HDD uploads and screen captures. Imagine if the game offered that? Would it have not helped the PS3's cause? Last time I checked, Killzone has sold 677,000 copies in the US. Alot of games, for sure, but not nearly what it should have been.

I have no doubt that Uncharted 2, GOW3, GT5, and others will be amazing games. I just want to see these games offer what's entirely available.

Disclaimer (again) - I will be buying every PS3 title that has been discussed (and some cases two copies for the family). I am not by any means attacking the PS3, I am simply pointing out unrealized potential.

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Highlander
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:34:40 PM

@Max, I understand, I just think that your points are a different discussion. NO less valid, or interesting, just not the same as the discussion comparing the progress in the quality of exclusive games on PS3 vs those on the 360.

As it happens I will also be buying many of these games, and possibly multiple copies also. My videogames hobby has infected the rest of the family. First my wife, and now my son have fallen prey to the PS3 habit.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 @ 10:42:24 PM
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Bring on the naysayers because they will be the very very quiet folks as soon as E3 kicks off, especially when shown footage of GOWIII, GT5, and Uncharted 2.

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tes37
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 @ 10:46:35 PM

All these titles look amazing!

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fatelementality
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:10:28 AM

Couldn't have put it better myself. So why did I post? Cause I's a big whore. I just think that Microsoft won't be without an E3 gameplan to try to show up the competition. As much as I hate to say it, they're good at that. I'm sure that they have to be hiding something more up thier sleeves than ODST and a few exclusive add-ons. It'll just be interesting to see exactly what and how it will be able to stack up. The Wii just kinda makes me want to shake my head in shame. Plus, if Sony want's their system to sell more, they's gonna hafta quit makin them thar Playgamer 2's. Cuz they be selling like mad and makin some coin fo sho. Sorry....schizo. Ah, there's my wittle pills.

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Morals
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 @ 10:50:29 PM
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The gap between the ps3 and the 360 is going to be like the current gap between the 360 & the wii in 2 years or so.

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NonProphet
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 @ 10:52:53 PM
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I agree that the PS3 has the best exclusives, no question about it. But the idea that "the console war comes down to exclusive software. Everything else can be categorized as either trivial or gravy" is inaccurate to me. The Wii has sold several times more consoles than its rivals (I don't own one) and its primarily because of its hardware. Call it trivial or gravy but it certainly has dictated the outcome of the "console war" thus far; much more than exclusive titles.

That said, the games I'm most looking forward to over the next year are PS3 exclusives. Maybe the "average gamer" will come to feel the same way and hop on board.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:27:46 AM

The Wii is not in competition with the PS3. It really never was (I only included it in the article to appease the Ninty fans).

It's a gadget and should be found with the iPhones at Best Buy. As far as I'm concerned, it shouldn't even be sold alongside the PS3 and 360.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:28:43 AM

Edit: woops, as soon as I posted this I saw Ben posted the same thing.

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oldmike
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:38:37 AM

at best its last gen to me its a toy and thats all

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Highlander
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:49:07 AM

As Ben says Wii is not a competitor with PS3. Different market, different demographics.

Simply put, Wii users are a decade or two younger than than PS3 users and they have SDTVs not HDTVs. Wii is an SD platform, PS3 is an HD platform. They server completely different markets. Talking about Wii as the winner this generation (as many do) ignores this simple fact.

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kratos17
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 1:46:16 AM

i agree

wii should not be clasified as a video game console anymore

because if you think about it, every game that comes out is announced for either the ps3, 360, or both

i for one am ashamed that the one company that got me into gaming in the first place has a console that should be sold at a carnival

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karneli lll
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 3:19:33 AM

The wii sold plenty because of wii sports, it and those other 'games', if the wii was launched with mad world and conduit i dont think it would have sold as well.

Software sells hardware my friend.

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Oyashiro
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 4:03:46 AM

I see the Wii as mirroring the Atari 2600. It sold to everyone. Most people that bought it for "Party" occasions, they equate to todays casuals. Then they released the 5600...

Most of them said "Why should we upgrade to a more expensive console?" and they didn't. The same will happen with the Wii. The Wii has no fanbase, only people who bought it because it was the hip thing to do.

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Byakko2009
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 4:38:17 AM

Yeah Oyashiro, that's how I feel about Wii HD. I didn't even know that about Atari, heh. Thanks for the history lesson.

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Alienange
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 5:56:45 AM

@NonProphet - I for one don't think console sales numbers is the determining factor of any perceived console war. Wii sold like crazy because everyone wanted to try out this new motion sensing technology and was the least expensive choice. 360 sold great because it was the first high def system to market and had great online capabilities. Throw in some repeat buys because of failed hardware and you have some interesting sales numbers.

However, do these sales numbers tell us who is winning a console war? Wouldn't the winner be the console that not only has steady sales numbers, but has gamers playing games long after they've bought it? IMO if every game was multiplat there wouldn't be much of a war. It would symply be a matter of price. The least expensive system would automatically win.

No, it's the exclusives that make people say either "I love this sytem" or "I don't need that system because all they have is..." The console that is the most loved by gamers, that is winner of your war. Gamers created this industry, and gamers will keep it alive. Don't waste your time looking at the sales numbers of every gadget that comes along.

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www
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 7:44:10 AM

LOL Ben

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photo K
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 9:42:25 AM

I dont think I'd call Nintendo "winners" in the console war, as they have deviated from the console persona, but the fact that they have made a killing (and still are) with the wii and ds, doesn't make them "losers" either. It's great business strategy for what they targeted and accomplished. I have friends & family in their 20s and 30s who have their products, but i also have 3-18 year old cousins who all have DS's. While only a select few have PS3's and 360s. I have or had all 3 consoles and have bought my gf a DS.

I'm sure Nintendo could careless if they were classified as game console or not, they've sold way more than either Sony or MS.

IMO, the wii is still a game console. It's hooked up to my TV just like my other consoles. I have to buy games and use a controller in order to play it. The only thing different is that its not in HD, doesn't have great graphics and doesn't produce games that this demographic here on PSX prefer.

Look, I still have my Sega Genesis hooked up to my entertainment system in my vacation house in Vegas, but I still call it a console even though it may not have HD or superb graphics.

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Orvisman
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 9:48:23 AM

Funny you should write that Oyashiro. I was thinking the same exact thing the other day.

The majority of Wii owners, like Tamagotchi owners, will look at Nintendo's next console and think why should I pay another $250 for a new console with motion controls just because the graphics are better.

They'll be content to play Wii Sports, as will all the nursing homes and schools using the Wii as a form of physcial education (pathetic I know).

Nintendo needs to market the Wii HD at the hardcore crowd because we are the only ones who will upgrade to a new console because of better graphics. Maybe there is hope for Nintendo yet, especially with games like MadWorld, the recently released Punch Out, and upcoming games like The Conduit, Sin & Punishment 2, and No More Heroes 2.

Still, it might be a case of too little too late for most hardcore fans (Not counting the Ninty fanboys who'd buy a turd if it had Nintendo stamped on it!).

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NonProphet
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 11:10:37 AM

So you proved my point. Because the Wii isn't HD and has a crappy ass graphics chip, its not a competitor in the console war: Hardware matters.

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kratos17
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 3:18:44 PM

i think they should keep the wii around for the audience they attracted this far

but more and more hardcore nintendo fans are converting to sony or microsoft, my solution is..........

make a brand new system and new name that only has the hardcore games and no cheap gimmicks

that way the casual gamer can still have there fun in a box
and the hardcore gamer can stay just as satisfied

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Nynja
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 4:16:36 PM

Well stated Ben.

They have Nintendo Wiis in some gyms. GYMS! The Wii, although successful, has carved its own niche in the market for a completely different type of audience and age group.

All the people I know who have or want the Wii want them for their kids (or grandkids).

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migabyte
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 @ 11:03:11 PM
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I am surprised the Wii is still doing so well, especially in America. It's not really all that cheap and it hasn't done anything different recently to attract anyone new to buy it. I think it has to do with it's incorporation into mainstream media. It's on TV shows. People say things like, lets play some Wii, rather than lets play some videogames. It has become a household name, much like PS2, PS1, SNES, and NES before it. This is something that can be hard to reverse. I do think though that with people having less money to spend they will be less likely to spend it on Vids. I also think that all those people that have a Wii won't be buying gmes, so game companies will look elsewhere to make money. But we'll see what happens. I do think outside of America PS3 will start doing a lot better than X360. There are a lot of people in America who will continue to buy it because it's American (fuzzy logic), it's made in China and the games are made all over the place. You are not supporting your economy anymore by buying a X360 people. Sony is doing a terrible job marketing too, they are by far in last place in this regard, they have to work harder to bring the PlayStation name back into the mainstream.

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DarthNemesis
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 @ 11:23:52 PM

The Wii would not be successful if casual gamers did not exist.The people who bought the Wii are not game supporters so the Wii's fanbase is irrelevant when it comes to the dedicated gaming community.Notice that the Wii is only talked about when it comes to sales and not features or software.If the Wii was not successful then it would not even get mentioned along side the PS3 & 360.The poor sales for game like Mad World on the Wii confirm what I am saying.

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photo K
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 9:45:42 AM

You can't exclude the casual gamer. Nintendo did good in capturing those sales.

Afterall, they are a For-profit company, and sales > hardware/software to them.

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BigTonesAUS
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 @ 11:17:22 PM
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speaking of exclusives Ben, i'll looking forward the PSX review of Infamous. When does the review embargo finish?

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 @ 11:45:26 PM
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There's so much more to come!

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shadowpal2
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 @ 11:58:04 PM
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...................so much originality....just so much originality - this is where the developers and being developers and not mindless slaves of money and pop culture of the audience. Thank you Team ICO as always.

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SPS3
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:04:10 AM
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I love the PS3! All upcoming exclusives will be kick azz eyecandy. Not that graphics are the only thing important?!

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rezenu
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:48:48 AM
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Yep, I agree. I love my PS3. It's one of the best consoles I've ever own. There's so many games that's coming out-taking advantage of the PS3 itself. I cannot wait to see what Team Ico and the rest do.

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DGo8
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:49:58 AM
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The PS3 line up this year is gone blow everything not on PS3 away...i think the leap as started to happen now...i saw it when i 1st played Uncharted & MGS4 and then Killzone came out and..well you all seen that lol...andd from what some of the trailers have shown us for the exclusives coming out this year...i think its safe to say..the leap is happening...this will be the year you will a massive jump in games...story...gameplay..audio(background noises/character voices & just sound all together within the game)...and most of all graphics i always thought PS3 exclusives where alot better...Looking forward to a good year for the PS3 & Sony...and us!! lol

P.S my rant about graphics as >SPS3< said its not the most important thing...its gameplay! in my books.

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Qubex
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 1:52:10 AM
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E3 should be a stunner all around... the PS3 exclusives should really hold their own at E3... what will be interesting will be the press reaction to these exclusives. Poor publications like "Edge" will still have a go at Sony I think... anything to diminish what has been achieved by the black beast :(

With Trico and the rest of the train of exclusives coming the PS3 way... it should be an exciting next 12 months... looking forward to it... but as always will only be purchasing a very select number of AAA games...

Killzone 2 has kept me so busy that the rest of my collection is gathering dust... will sell a few of them and replace them with the upcoming exclusives :)

Q!

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kratos17
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 1:52:26 AM
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i have a friend at school that always said he would never get a ps3

but just a couple days ago he decides to change his mind a get one because he just heard that mag was only on ps3

wonder how many other 360 fanboys will buy a ps3 due to all the new exclusive's coming to the ps3

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Alienange
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 6:02:59 AM

He heard Mag was only on PS3? Your friend been hanging out at Gamestop up until now or what?

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kratos17
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 3:24:49 PM

yeah i was thinking the same thing but he hated the ps3 so much that he wanted nothing to do with it and any news of it he would just ignore

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Deleted User
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 2:45:25 AM
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I sorta agree, but I don't think Microsoft is gonna lag too far behind. I'm pretty sure they have a few things up their sleeve.

I do think Sony will have the best games from now on until the end of this generation, but I don't think it will blow MS out of the water.

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kratos17
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 3:29:07 PM

i think microsoft is just saving all there good games for the next xbox

because saying the ps3 is more capable than the 360 is quickly becoming an understatement

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King James
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 2:54:22 AM
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Well said Ben (as usual). I had a feeling that Playstation would have more games than the competition back in 2007 when Uncharted dropped and Bungie left M$.

And in 2008,
- M$ got rid of most of their 1st party developers.
- Sony dropped more greatness (MGS4)
- Sony announced a whole boatload of upcoming exclusives doing E3 2008

...then I knew Sony had won the exclusive war.

All that timed exclusive crap M$ pulls, doesn't make ONE PS3 owner go buy a 360. But games like MAG, R2, K2, Uncharted 2, and maybe even RPGs like WKC and Demon's Souls...make 360 owners buy a PS3. And then b4 they know it, that 360 is collecting dust and all they play is PS3 (true story btw).

And do I even have to mention the giant Sony elephants in the room...
-GT5!!
-FF13versus!!
-Twisted Metal!!!
-that "Starhawk" game!
-TRICO!!!
-GOW3!!!!!!

Sony is basically saying to the world (in the words of Em), "I think its time for you hate me again."

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Orvisman
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 9:50:30 AM

When did people stop hating Sony?

It is because people hate Sony (former Segaholics mostly still pissed about the demise of the Dreamcast and Ninty fanboys) that we have all those PS3 haters out there.

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King James
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:49:58 PM

Disagree with your Sega theory. Although that does happen. In that instance, its not really hate...its more...avoidance and unease. Those ppl represent a small minority in the M$ fanbase.

Most of these XBots are teens and young adults fresh outta high school. Themselves or their parents won't buy something that expensive, so they buy an Xbox.

Eventually, tribalism develops and the PS3 outsiders get shunned, because those young PS3 users ain't part of the "tribe". Its kinda like similar to hating on that kid in school that always was one step ahead of the class via fashion, cars, gadgets, etc.

At it roots, the hate all tracks back to disillusioned jealously and envy.

P.S. I know that the hate didn't stop. If anything this the calm b4 the storm which is E3. I just really like that song. ****RelapsE!!!***

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 1:55:56 PM

I had a PS2 and Dreamcast, and when my Dreamy died
(although I loved the system) it felt like the natural progression of things, like when a very old relative dies. I even had an xbox, but I never felt the need to go MS exclusive. I can sense quality.

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Swim_Irr
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 2:55:21 AM
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i just laugh every time someone says to me, "why do you have a ps3? the xbox has SO many more games."

it seems like that is the only thing people say... am i right?

i have to think... "well, how many of those do you actually play?" "You play halo and gears...and maybe fable..."

don't get me wrong those are fun games (especially fable), but the "360-has-more-games" theory just doesn't cut it any more.

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Swim_Irr
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 3:00:07 AM

p.s.

my little bro was one of those people until kz2 came out, then he finally admitted that the ps3 was indeed the better way to go...

exclusives have absolutely amazing powers...

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King James
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 3:19:19 AM

Next time they say that to u. Laugh and tell them to check the numbers again. The PS3 have more games now and a higher avg critic score.

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www
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 7:49:58 AM

More games indeed, after playing gears 2,halo 3, i don't know what to buy again,the rest are all multi-plats.
I look at my ps3,and i know i need to buy LBP,Killzone 2,InFAMOUS after playing MGS4 & Uncharted.
PS3 has more games!

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Oxvial
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 9:50:55 AM

fun that usually 360 owners only buy multiplat and say that famous quote of having more games .

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Alienange
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 6:06:40 AM
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I really should buy Uncharted ... dang. How do you choose between Uncharted and inFamous?

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oldmike
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 7:16:15 AM

you cant, sell blood some thing

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www
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 7:46:11 AM

Is it Uncharted: Drake's or Uncharted:Among you talking about?

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King James
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 8:46:55 AM

Uncharted 1st.

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Alienange
Thursday, May 21, 2009 @ 2:34:03 PM

Yeah they first Uncharted. It's going for 55 here in Canada. Never on sale, never a price drop, nothing... Boooo! Infamous is going for about the same on Amazon.ca. I know I waited too long for Uncharted, but I think inFamous will win out. Maybe I can steal my friend's copy.

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rell
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 9:18:08 AM
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Sony bring the noise at e3.

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photo K
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 9:48:14 AM
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GT5 will dominate. Confirm a date already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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NonProphet
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 10:56:00 AM
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I never bought the Wii because seemed like a kitschy novelty to me. If it makes your case stronger to exclude it from the console war, go ahead, but that seems pretty convenient.

Its possible that one of the reasons we have so many incredible exclusives coming up is because Sony hasn't wrapped this console war thing up yet. So it may be a good thing for us PS3 owners that Sony isn't the clear winner of this generation, because if they were, they might not feel the need to produce so many great titles.

All I'm saying is competition is a good thing, and its lonely at the top. Hoping and praying that Sony destroys the competition at E3 and that everyone and they're mother decides to buy a PS3 may not be the best thing for us serious gamers. Be careful what you wish for.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 11:04:42 AM

If you want to call it a game console, go right ahead. It'd be far MORE convenient for me to do so, because then I'd have to start comparing Wii software to PS3 software.

...and you don't want me to do that. It only further proves my original point, that it ISN'T a game console and is nothing more than a GADGET.

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piratedrunk
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:29:18 PM

For once I disagree with you Ben. I'm not sure what other people use theirs for but I play games on my Wii just as often as I play games on my ps3. They are of course no where near as technically impressive but they are fun. That is what I look for in a console.. fun games.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:33:03 PM

That's fine. I have no problem with that. But you can also play games on cell phones. You can play games on a whole lot of electronic pieces of equipment.

But it's not about hardware vs. hardware; it's about software vs. software. We're talking about the "video game industry." And as there is no comparison between Wii and PS3/360 software, they are not in the same category.

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King James
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:37:23 PM

I don't think they listening to u, Ben. But that okay. Let them include the Wii. But if so...then they have to include the 4th console out there: the PS2.

Yeah, include that too. PS2 has outsold everything and don't say it doesn't count. Because its technologically equivalent to the Wii, still has new games coming, and is still on the market....

Just like the Wii.

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Orvisman
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 12:51:54 PM

@NonProphet,

"So it may be a good thing for us PS3 owners that Sony isn't the clear winner of this generation, because if they were, they might not feel the need to produce so many great titles."

Mmmmmmm... Sony, which was the clear-cut winner early on during the PS1/PS2 eras, didn't stop making great exclusives for those systems after it was clear both consoles were victorious in their respective generations.

It was actually the opposite. Sony made more and more great exclusives available late in the PS1/PS2's cycles.

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Highlander
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 2:05:48 PM

@King James

Exactly!

Gaming has three markets. Hand Held, Standard Def and High Def. DS/PSP, Wii/PS2, and 360/PS3.

Who's the only console maker in all three markets? ;-)

People really need to re-examine who competes with who. PS2 is Wii's competitor, and costs less than half of the cost of a Wii. PS2 has had more innovative control schemes that Wii has had hot dinners.

PS3 is competing with the 360 alone, they are the only two consoles that serve the HD gaming market.

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photo K
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 2:50:06 PM

I have a PS3, 360, Wii, PSP, PS2 and Sega Genesis. I have controllers and video game (software) that I bought for all of them. And they all connect to my TV AND they are located in my "console" entertainment center. I consider all of them consoles, excluding the PSP of course.

They all have different levels of technical hardware but they all do the same thing for the user.

I don't understand how we can classify some systems as consoles and some not because of the quality and "fun" they produce.

My old Nintendo console played Super Punch Out just as well as the Wii does (downloadable software of Punch Out). I wouldn't classify them any differently.

Is there a new "console" criteria that was invented that we're not aware of?

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kratos17
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 3:45:34 PM

i would have to disagree photo k

for example how many people would buy a wii over a ps3/360 if they were all at the same price

answer: the same axact people that bought it in the first place, soccer moms, old people that need exercise, and guys that want to have a little fun with their girlfriend

it isnt a video game console

also highlander knows exactly what he is talking about

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piratedrunk
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 4:58:35 PM

I fully agree with Photo K on that. And just because the Wii caters more to different types than the ps3 or 360 doesn't mean it isn't a game console. Not liking what it offers does not change what it is. And there are plenty of gamers who can appreciate what all of them have to offer. I bought mine to play games and that is exactly what I use it for.. nothing else.

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NonProphet
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 11:17:08 AM
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Ive never played the Wii, but maybe if I did, I'd agree and say "thats just gadget", but it was released around the same time as the PS3 and 360 and plays video games, so I thought it was a console. But lets say it is so we can compare software, the PS3 blows it out of the water, right? But that's not just because of the exclusives, its partly because the PS3 has far superior hardware.

I'm not trying to be contrary or argumentative, so I apologize if I'm coming off like that.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 2:00:49 PM

everyone enjoys a good discussion, I'd just like to make the point that maybe we are going to have to have major and minor leagues here. PS2 cut the price to go head to head with Wii, so lets call those two the minor leagues and PS3 and 360 the majors. (Ironic because I hate baseball) but there it is.

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telly
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 1:13:55 PM
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Nothing biased about it -- PS3 over the next year is insane. I love Halo and Gears of War, too, but not only are they (presumably) not getting proper sequels this year, I just don't think it would change things much. PS3 has an unassailable lineup for the next year. Period.

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Byakko2009
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 2:16:46 PM
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Not to mention Ninty said recently that they want to surpass PS2 in units sold. And Ninty said it a long time ago they aren't really competing with PS3/360. Correct me if I'm wrong here. I don't have their exact quotes.

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PS3addict
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 2:40:10 PM
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My only real gripe is the lack of backwards compatibility for PS2 games, then the catalog of PS3 games would be huge.. I am going to pick up Ico today after work, and I have to dust off the PS2 in order to play it... Would be nice if that was not the case. I really want to see the HD upconverting of GOW 1&2, SOTC and Ico.

I think that selling an emulator for $20 would really make a huge difference in a lot of gamer's eyes. Plus the ability to download digital copies of all your favorite (and hard to find) PS2 games onto your hard drive would sell a lot of people as well.

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King James
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 3:11:14 PM

GoW2 and SotC look great in progressive scan mode. My PS3's backwards compatible.

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photo K
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 2:53:43 PM
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okay maybe we can all agree to disagree.

Or just call the PS3 and 360(maybe) a next-gen console.

While the Wii and PS2 are something minor league...

but still... they are all consoles no?

i dunno... does it even matter anymore? the PS3 has the best next-gen hardware available with the most potential.

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Jordahn
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 3:28:05 PM

They are all consoles, and this includes the PS2 since it's still competing with current gen (including Wii because it surpasses the PS2 in technical abiliies). Whether it's $250 (Wii) or $100 (PS2) spent, that's less money to buy a PS3/360 and it's accessory and software offerings. They all essentially have the same aesthetics in regards to function, accessibility, and connectivity. But back on topic, I do see the technical quality of PS3 exclusives more and more surpassing the competition. I just wish more people would jump on this because they are really missing out.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 4:15:18 PM

360 MAYBE a next-gen console? Come on, if it can handle games like RE5, and RE5 is one of the best looking games, almost looks like a 3rd person version of Killzone 2 then it's a next gen console.

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godsman
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 4:32:05 PM
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OMG! Demon's Soul coming to the US this year also?!
Let's count what's being released this year, I can't afford all those games!!

Uncharted 2
Infamous
Heavy Rain
Demon's Soul
White Knight Chronicles
Gran Turismo 5/God Of War III (I'm sure one of these will be 2009)


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Byakko2009
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 5:10:07 PM

Yeah, I just read that Atlus is publishing Demon's Souls. Now I don't gotta import it!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 6:07:08 PM

woot

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Robochic
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 @ 8:46:01 PM
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I classify all my "consoles" as console. But whatever, as for sony I see big potential this year it's looking amazing.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, May 21, 2009 @ 9:27:12 PM

Amen to that, Robochic!
I have 12 consoles from SNES all the way up to the PS3(no 360 or Wii just yet though)& they're all still fun, each their own way.

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hobbes
Thursday, May 21, 2009 @ 1:53:48 PM
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The only thing about this kind of argument is that it isn't at all based in any kind of fact. It is all subjective. In fact, there isn't any real way of qualifying any given set of games as better than another set of games. It simply boils down to preference. In this regard, nobody is right and nobody is wrong.

I also don't see the logic in your argument that the Wii isn't a games console, let alone any sort of intelligence. How is the Wii not a game console? That is all the system can do. It doesn't play movies. It does have a rudimentary web browser but that's about it for any non-games related functionality. The iPhone and other gadgets that play games have that feature as simply that- a feature. If one were to subscribe to your argument, where does that leave the PSP, PS3, Xbox 360, and PS2? All of these have more functions outside of gaming out of the box than the Wii.

In terms of software, you're absolutely correct there is no comparison. So long as you stick to graphics, that is. However, graphics only get a game so far. Lair looked wonderful. It controlled horrendously. A game like Boom Blox might not look like much compared to any PS3/360 game, but it packs a lot of fun and controls well.

To switch topics, I have been reading the comments for this article as I write this and I have to say that most of the people who have commented so far haven't got an intelligent thought in their brains, author of the article included. Long have I held my tongue from lashing out at this because in the end it is pointless. But damn if idiocy doesn't get under my skin. None of you, not a single one, should ever reproduce. This kind of stupidity must be contained for the sake of us all. God help the PS3 if this is the only kind of person that are its staunch supporters. It certainly deserves better.

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Alienange
Thursday, May 21, 2009 @ 2:41:37 PM

So you preach about preference and then condemn us for having one? Who the hell are you? You're calling us all idiots because we recognize superior software over what's available on other systems? Buddy, welcome to the damn internet. Did you come here because your real life friends all left you? Were they tired of your self-righteousness? Go spew your nonsense some place else.

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Byakko2009
Thursday, May 21, 2009 @ 4:00:04 PM

I wasn't gonna add anything to this, but after I read that last paragraph I changed my mind. First off, you say this is all subjective, which for the most part it is. But I'm sorry if IN FACT the Wii is comparable to an I-phone ON THE SOFTWARE FRONT. Take Soul Calibur for example, a fighting game for the PS3/360 that stays true to what it is a FIGHTING GAME! Then we have Soul Calibur Legends on Wii, which is a WTF hack n slash with zero depth. See the difference there? It isn't just graphics, my friend.

Most of us here probably have a Wii, but our obvious preference is PS3. I mean you didn't expect to hear Wii praises on a site called PSXEXTREME did you? But you had the odacity to insult our intellegence, and then call us unworthy human beings based on our OPINION? You're right the Wii plays games if you think Wii Sports, Fit, and Music are fully fledged games. You know what else the Wii does? It sees the least use and has atrocious attach rates. Since you seem to like facts so much, there you go.

I'm not even trying to argue really, but excuse me if I prefer to go outside instead of waggling a remote. I also have REAL equipment for exercise that's cheap and effective. Sorry I'm smart enough to know I don't need a $150 white thing to tell me how to get in shape. <sarcasm>God knows I should never have kids if I think this way. </sarcasm>

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BikerSaint
Thursday, May 21, 2009 @ 9:31:38 PM


@Hobbes,
You had my vote until you started sounding like a pompous ass with that last paragraph of yours!

Too bad your thoughts wound up outweighting your brain matter on that count.

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questing222
Friday, May 22, 2009 @ 5:11:28 PM
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While i think Sony will have a great conference, it will obviously be countered by Microsoft... so I dont believe there will be a Microsoft "crushing"
All points bulletin and Huxley are confirmed for E3.
I'm pretty sure MS will use Huxley to go head to head with "MAG" as both are massively multiplayer shooters.
All points bulletin also looks top notch to be fair.
Forza 3 which is all but confirmed will go head to head with GT5, and Alan Wake is bound to show up also.

Its looking like a fantastic E3 for all sides.

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Byakko2009
Friday, May 22, 2009 @ 6:07:31 PM

Huxley is not exclusive though, PC is getting it first. Also, while I agree MS won't get the spanking they so deserve, I still see Sony's line-up as superior. I say that because it's way more diverse and covers more genres. Honestly, I really don't think Forza can touch GT5. All GT5 has to do is show up. As for Alan Wake, nobody even knows what it is. Assume it's to compete with Heavy Rain, I'd say Heavy Rain will trump that. Let's say Fable 3 shows up, well Demon's Souls is a new IP. And wow so many sequels from Forza, Halo, and Fable already?

I'm not counting MS down and out, but if we got into an upcoming games list war the PS3's list is still bigger. Not to mention many 360 games aren't really exclusive and are often on PC or get ported to PC. Something tells me MS is gonna go overboard with the whole Eye-Toy, Wiimote copies, too.

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