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EA: "We've Maxed Out The 360," But Not The PS3

It's something we've heard before from developers, and a theory that many in the industry accept as fact. This time, a representative of one of the biggest publishers in the world has echoed the idea that while the Xbox 360 may be at its peak, they haven't yet "maxed out" the PlayStation 3.

In speaking to OXM, Senior VP of EA Games Europe, Patrick Soderlund, made the comments during E3. He first says he really liked the Natal presentation during Microsoft's press conference and freely admits that the 360 is his "personal favorite console." We have difficulty agreeing with his comment that Microsoft "is on a roll right now," based o the current circumstances, but hey, everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. As for the PS3 and its potential, Soderlund had this to say:

"Sony has a lot of good games this year. If you go to their booth, there's a very consistent, high quality product line-up and that will help them. I do think that we'll see developers inside the organisation getting to understand the PS3 better and I think that we're getting more power out of PS3 right now... I think that we've maxed out the 360 but we haven't maxed out the PS3."

Recently, some developers - including Sucker Punch, the makers of the inFamous and Quantic Dream, creators of Heavy Rain - have come right out and said that their project couldn't be done on anything but the PS3. Microsoft insists such statements are never true while Sony insists they are (big surprise there), but even Jack Tretton made a point of saying at E3, several times, that certain things are "only possible" on the PS3. And most will say we're already starting to see the gap with certain exclusive titles...what say you?

6/5/2009 Ben Dutka

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Comments (96 posts)

Dustinwp
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:34:36 AM
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I certainly agree that the exclusives are starting to strip most multi-plat titles in quality.

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Superman915
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:34:42 AM
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So...this means that Fight Night WILL look better on PS3, right?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:41:17 AM

Heh. No.

Regardless of potential, I think multiplats will always look almost the same from here on out. It's in the exclusive titles where one can make the appropriate comparisons.

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Trarman
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:43:27 AM

Doubtful. If it's a multi-platform game, it'll typically be the quality of the lowest common denominator.

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Dustinwp
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:44:23 AM

Devs try to make games on both consoles identical. The only reason why the article talks about the quality of exclusives is because exclusives are specifically made for the targeted console. So your answer, probably nothing to noticeable.

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Mr Bitey
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:52:33 AM

I think the key portion of his statement proves that "I do think that we'll see developers INSIDE the organization getting to understand the PS3 better"...

Sony's first party studios will be utilizing the PS3 to it's full potential, while multiplatform games have to appeal to the least common denominator.

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Highlander
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:20:16 AM

Ben's right about multi-platform games. The developer of a multi-platform title always has to ensure that the game engine on all their platforms is at the same level. That way all the graphic, audio and AI assets that go into the game remain constant. If you make a more heavily customized game engine for each platform, you end up having to use different assets. For example, if the PS3 could somehow handle physics models that were twice as complex as the 360, a developer could go to the trouble of creating a model for the 360 and one for the PS3. But that's double the work that's actually needed, plus the games will not perform the same.

For a multi-platform title, consistency is necessary.

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fatelementality
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 12:11:28 PM

You know what's funny about that? When there were multiplat games for ps2 and original xbox, the developers would always put in the effert to make the titles look better on xbox. So where's our love?

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Superman915
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 12:48:35 PM

Yeah right, have you seen the comparisons in LEgends of Wrestlemania. They made the 360 version look so much better, which kept me from buying the first wrestling game i planned on buying for the next generation. Very messed up on THQ's part, since Ive heard the series sells better on PS3.

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Highlander
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 12:57:14 PM

@Superman

A lot of the difference in games that we've seen in the past between 360 and PS3 is disappearing. The trouble is that the first generation game engines for multi-platform titles on the PS3 were ports of the original 360 engine, and the devs were still learning the platform. As time has passed, most devs have either implemented a new engine on both platforms at the same time, or continued to develop their PS3 engine seeking to match the 360 version. Had there not been a year when there was no PS3, it's unlikely we'd be able to tell the difference between versions of multi-platform games. Sadly not all devs have done a good job learning the PS3 yet, and some multi-plat games still have differences that should not be there.

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HOODGE
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 2:50:54 PM

Make fight night look better on the PS3 and you'll have a lot of crapbox 3fixme users squaking like a drunk chicken. Can't do that to the xbots can you. LMAO

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sobleck
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:31:57 AM

My question is why did they make 360 games better when they didn't understand the ps3 developme tools? why didn't appeal to the lowest common denominator then? if they made 360 games better then, they should make ps3 games better now.

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WolfCrimson
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:41:42 AM
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Sony: The exclusive games we have are only possible on the PS3.
Microsoft: That's not true! Nobody listen to him! I'm right, he's wrong!!
Sony: What are you talking about? Of course it's true. Here, it's even written in the Guinness World Book of Records.
Microsoft: You're lying *sniff* YOU'RE LYING!!
Sony: No I'm not, check it out. See? "Most Powerful Console To Be Able To Run Games That Other Consoles Can't, Especially The 360: PS3"
Microsoft: That's a lie!! Check for Xbox 360, I'll show you!
Sony: Ok. *Looks for Xbox 360 entry* . Found it.
Sony: ... "The Console to Break Down Most Frequently"? Is it this one?
Microsoft: NO!! Check for something similar to yours.
Sony: Ok. ....... "The Console That Cannot Play The Games That The PS3 Can: Xbox 360"

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Highlander
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:50:54 AM

Funny. A pity more people can't use their sense of humor like this.

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Tim Speed24
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 12:16:10 PM

Excellent...hahaha. Thank you.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 12:21:45 PM

HA.

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aaronisbla
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 12:40:54 PM

To me, it was funny without sounding overly fanboyish :)

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RustEDalex
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 2:04:12 PM

laughing out loud

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HOODGE
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 2:55:19 PM

Wolf. NICE!!!

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Wage SLAVES
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 9:56:42 PM

Ive seen comments denying it all over the net! People need to learn to give credit where its due.

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cheng
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:43:12 AM
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well,if he is impressed with NATAL, i suggest he check out this thing called EYEPET, i got a hunch that the thing will sell like hot cakes in japan if they advertised it enough.

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oldmike
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 1:32:12 AM

YA eyepet is almost done (fall 09)
what gets me is that it gets no press

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YesterdysRising
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:44:26 AM
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We all knew this was coming.... and we will see more and more developers saying the same thing. I think the exclusives are definitely starting to show the gap and by the end of the year, it will be considerably larger, especially when my most anticipated title of 2009, Uncharted 2, comes out :)

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Arvis
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:52:44 AM

Oh man, Uncharted 2....

I’m in the beta, and all I’ll say is it is SICK. The co-op is like a gamer’s dream come true...

-Arvis

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:56:16 AM

I'm in the beta, too, but I haven't tried co-op yet. Will try to get to that today.

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Arvis
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:26:22 AM

Yeah, I stuck w/ deathmatches for a while, but the coop, to me, is the real reason to buy this game. Altho, I will say, both modes are fricking awesome.

-Arvis

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aaronisbla
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:48:34 AM

yup, the beta is awesome, probably the best damn beta i have been in, a couple of glitches here and there, but thats what a beta is for.

One thing that bothered me was this: When Nathan jumps in the water, his clothes get wet, its the famous wet look they have done so damn well, but the other 2 characters on co op mode dont get this same look. I'm not asking for all characters including enemies to get this, but it would add to the realism if the other 2 got the same effects

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bigrailer19
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:46:13 AM
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For the most part, any and all the exclusives we have seen in Sony's line-up specifically more recently, GOW III, Uncharted 2, Mag, and Obvisouly KZ2, are looking to be of a higher quality than most other games out their exclusive or multi-plat.

I would have to say with the evidence that Games exclusive to PS3 are looking and running better has testiment that these games truly are "only possible" on the PS3.

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DarthNemesis
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:00:52 AM
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I am going to name 3 games as examples of the growth of the PS3 over the 360 and multiplat games.Uncharted,Gears of War & Bioshock.Notice that Gears 2 looks exactly like Gears 1 with minor changes and maybe better resolution.Than you notice that Bioshock 2 doesn't show much improvement over Bioshock 1.If it was not for me knowing the levels and weapons in Bio1,then I would not be able to tell the two games apart.Now look at U2 and see how it is easily the best looking game to date and makes U1 look like HD PS2 game (exaggerated maybe?)though you get my point.usually with sequels there is not much growth,but you can see the improvement of the PS3 exclusive compared to the 360 exclusive and multiplat game.keep in mind all the 3 franchises are said to have the best graphics this generation.

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Deleted User
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:06:06 AM
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Man oh Man, give me a break. As a PS3/360 owner I really laugh when people say the ps3 has yet to show off the full power of the system. The graphics you see now in Metal Gear, Infamous, Uncharted, Killzone 2 is the best your going to get and if there is enhanced graphics/detail it will be very minimal. The graphics are really good now, great in some games, just don't expect anything better than whats out there now. You will never see a huge difference in Graphics between the PS3 and 360, bottom line.

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aaronisbla
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:45:15 AM

thats not actually true, the difference between Uncharted 1 and Uncharted 2 is quite astounding if you ask me, but of course you would probably say not in your opinion.

Sorry but when comparing the 2 systems exclusives graphically, games that are released already and future games, its clear the ps3 has the edge. That's not to say games on 360 suck, just stating the truth.

I also don't agree with the opinion that some have about 360 not getting any better graphically, it might be maxed out, but i dont think that really says it cant get a game better looking than its last great looking game

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Karosso
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:51:10 AM

Sorry I don't agree with your comment on this.
The difference between GOW2 on PS2 and most games from its second year is huge, so I still think the PS3 has a good chance of showing something that far surpasses the current standard... Just my two cents, base on the PS2 time line.
Hope you don't get offended by it.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 12:23:03 PM

And you know this how, programmer and design genius?

If you signed up only to troll, you may as well leave now. Or I'll take care of it myself.

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Hexen
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 12:31:10 PM

So basically you think you know more than a big third party company like EA!?If big companies that work on both systems say that the PS3 is more powerful and has unlocked potential how can any one argue with them when they actually work on the system and see what's there.

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Dustinwp
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 2:40:04 PM

Games are not just graphics. Graphics,AI,sound,and,game mechanics are all key features in games and can tell how much a console has to offer. You could have a console that maxes out at 30 objects on the screen at one time to a console that maxes out at 60 objects on screen at one time in the same game. The AI used for Sheva in RE5 could be pretty stupid at times and I personally feel if RE5 was only on PS3 that wouldn't have been the case.

Last I checked all these features can just as easily make or break a gamers experience. Which would hamper the quality of the overall product. Which is the topic of the article.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:02:58 AM

@pmartin2586
Drinking much bong water????

After that comment of yours, nobody's ever going to take anything you've got to say seriously.

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Robochic
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:06:11 AM
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Agree with you ben, its in the exclusives where you'll see the big difference. Theres good line up for the PS3 and thats awesome i'm really not looking at buying multiplatform i'm saving my cash for exclusives right now.

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Arvis
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:55:55 AM

I swear, you change your avatar more than anyone else. I keep thinking you're a new person here. :D

-Arvis

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JDC80
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 4:17:57 PM

I read somewhere the guys that made the "Ghostbusters game" wished that it was a PS3 exclusive, because the PS3 allow them to do more.

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Superdynamite
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:26:12 AM
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My take on E3 2009 :

Microsoft showed us a bunch of stuff that has already been done; The Metal Gear Solid franchise has been out for over a decade. Both XBox & PS3 get Final Fantasy 13 but Final Fantasy 14 is exclusive for PS3. Again, a franchise that has been available for over a decade, but what's the point of getting a FF13 exclusive if you can play FF14?

Sony showed us the future of PS3 gaming. Microsoft grabbed a few old names and attached them to XBox360. As we can see, the philosophies of these two companies are vastly different. Where Microsoft paid a truck load of money for GTAIV DLC, Sony showed us a new exclusive from Rockstar Games entitled AGENT. AGENT is a stealth based espionage game set in the late 70's and is exclusive to the PS3.

I'm not sure how much old stuff Microsoft can bring over to XBox before their fans get board with stuff they have already experienced. Or how many times they can release a title from the Halo franchise, that hasn't been good since the original.



Here are the exclusives that were announced at e3 2009:

The PS3 EXCLUSIVES: Uncharted 2, M.A.G., AGENT, Mod Nation Racers, The Last Guardian, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy 14 and God of War III.

The 360 EXCLUSIVES: Shadow Complex, Joy Ride, Crackdown 2, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Forza 3, Halo 3, Alan Wake & A.P.B.


Round by Round Break Down :

Round 1:

We got to see 360's Joy Ride. A Kart-type racing game exclusive to 360. Then on Day 2 Sony shows off their fully customizable Kart racing game that was inspired by Little Big Planet. A crushing blow to Microsoft's Joy Ride.



Round 2:

Microsoft had a few more rabbits in their hat. Next up is the 360 exclusive Splinter Cell: Conviction. Then on Day 2 Sony announces their very own stealth/espionage exclusive called AGENT. AGENT is brought to you by the makers of the Grand Theft Auto franchise, Rock Star Games. Yet another of Microsoft's rabbits landed in a pot.



Round 3:

The Final Fantasy debacle - On Day 1 Microsoft touted that Final Fantasy was finally coming to the XBox360 in the form of Final Fantasy 13. Then on Day 2 Sony completely crushed that announcement with news of their own; Not only will PS3 be getting FF13 but they will also be getting Final Fantasy 14 as a PS3 exclusive. A visually mind blowing installment from the Final Fantasy franchise that has online multiplayer and is only possible on the PS3.



Round 4:

Microsoft announced that Metal Gear Solid: Rising was going to be a 360 exclusive. Konami has now said it will be released on PS3, PC & 360. Ouch! What was Microsoft thinking when they announced it as an exclusive???



Final thoughts:

The best game Microsoft showed off at E3 2009 was a game called A.P.B. It's a brand new MMO title headed for the 360. It's a cross between Team Fortress and Saints Row meaning it plays like Saints Row but has the graphics of Team Fortress.

With original franchise exclusives such as MAG and The Last Guardian coming to PS3, I don't see how anyone in the gaming industry can deny it's massive appeal over the competition. If Rockstar's original PS3 exclusive, AGENT, has anywhere near the impact they had with GTA3, we're looking at a title that could propel PS3 light years beyond all other consoles. And last but not least, the Demo of God of War III was just mind blowing. The environment surrounding Kratos' battle was so vast that it appeared as if you could look into the distance for miles and miles at end. Completely amazing.



What was boring:

For me Nintendo showed nothing interesting or appealing to a true gamer. Wii Fit Plus was Nintendo's diamond crown but truthfully, I don't see the sparkle at all. Same old nonsense. Same old baby game garbage. Nintendo is showing us that cheap is not better. Wii is the ultimate dust collector for people that want to say that they play video games. Get in on the conversation for $300 bucks. No thanks.

As for Sony & Microsoft's motion controller presentations; A giant NO THANKS!

I feel, as most gamers do, that as a whole, the whole Motion Controller thing is a galactic waste of R&D time and R&D money. Both Microsoft & Sony wasted over 30 minutes each of stage time on this useless item. Garbage!



And the e3 2009 winner is:

Sony showed big, original, exclusive titles coming to the PS3. Titles that are pushing the limits of our gaming experience that are "only possible on the PS3". Sony met all of Microsoft's big announcements with a crushing blow of their own and that's what E3 is all about. It's about showing off your best while knocking out the competition and Sony accomplished just that.

The winner is Sony & PS3!

2nd place goes to Microsoft.

3rd goes to Nintendo's Wii which showed nothing exciting for it's future. Wii Fit Plus? A different way to jump around. Yuk!

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aaronisbla
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:55:30 AM

kinda misleading saying that MS said that MGS:R was exclusive, they never said that.

They said something like "every game showed after this statement is exclusive" and then later on in the show, hideo kojima came on stage to announce the game. The exclusive statement wasnt meant for this game, MS and Konami even says this

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Totalz
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 1:50:12 PM

You're completely right, but apparently (unfortunately) FFXIV may well be on 360 and it's definitely on PC...bummer but still Sony did come out on top IMO.

By the way, didn't that Milo thing look BS

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 3:48:19 PM

FFXIV will be on windows, but it's silly to think that means itll function on 360, I just doubt that even if SE are backstabbers I don't think you could make a next gen MMO like that work with a single DVD, itll need a blu ray for PS3 and a large install for PC.

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Nynja
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 4:26:13 PM

The one thing that kept bothering me from Sony's press conference was them saying "only possible on PS3"... You know, I support you guys, but I'm no fool.

Example: LittleBigPlanet was only possible on PS3. Mmk. So the PSP version is not really a LittleBigPlanet game. I understand they may be referring to specific elements of the PS3 version of the game. It just sounds idiotic.

Come on Sony, think before you speak.

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JPBooch
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 4:56:36 PM

You forgot Forza 3 boosting 300 hundred cars and then GT5 on the PSP announcing 800...ouch on the psp

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JackKnifeZero
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 6:33:36 PM

Wasn't Splinter Cell also later announced to be multiplat or did I misread something?

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Deleted User
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:38:33 AM
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Online gaming is very important to a high percentage of gamers. Until Sony can come up with a system that competes with Live they will be behind. No matter the games. My PS3 sits on my shelf as a shiney blu ray player, while my 360 is for the gaming. People love the interface of the 360 compared to that of the ps3. Also Achievements will always be > than trophies.

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Deleted User
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:44:16 AM

Something also tells me that you love hurling racial and sexual slurs at people with your mic, too, just like 70% of the other Xbots. Your comments come off as pretty stupid and ignorant to me. Hey, it's your money. If you have no problem having MS butt**** you out of it all day, be my guest. I bet you don't even have a PS3. You're just another troll with buyer's remorse who believed in the BS that MS preached and found out that it was a big lie.

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Arvis
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:57:15 AM

"Also Achievements will always be > than trophies."

Why?

-Arvis

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aaronisbla
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 12:04:07 PM

As long as both systems offer a good online experience ( meaning i can play my games online without any problems ) then i think your point is a little moot.

Yes, xboxlive is good but stop trying to downplay psn. You act as if the psn isnt capable of online gameplay. Till this day, i haven't met anyone who can come up with a good excuse as to why they pay for live, nothing on there justifies paying for it. I do think live is a bit better than psn, but not by much, pretty slim actually

Bottom line is they both offer awesome online entertainment, but one is free.

Also, Back in the day you might have had a point with the Achievements but now that ps3 has trophies, they are both the same sh!t, both aren't my cup of tea either, rather do without it to be honest. Until one of them offers some type of reward other than e penis points, they both suck imo

Edit: @Arvis: He can't explain why, since they both do the same damn thing

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Deleted User
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 12:07:36 PM

At least I've heard nothing about PS3 owners hiring shady people to win them trophies. Makes sense considering the stereotypical Xbox 360 owner is some cornfed, ignorant, male teenage fartknocker who doesn't second-guess himself when he pays a slimeball to play his games for him and/or cheat his way to a higher gamerscore while risking his Daddy's credit card. PS3 owners seem to always earn their trophies on their own.

Trophies are better, to be honest. Four kinds of trophies and you can try to reach a certain number of overall trophies or level up.

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Highlander
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 1:00:25 PM

Without mentioning cross game chat which is a total red herring, please describe what meaningful way in which PS3 online gaming differs from the 360, other than being free obviously.

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Nynja
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 2:13:52 PM

"Online gaming is very important to a high percentage of gamers..."

It may be considered a high percentage, but do not let this fool you as online gamers have yet to make up for more than half of the console gamers, let alone PC gamers.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 3:51:38 PM

Don't feed the troll. Get back under your bridge Troll!

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HOODGE
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 3:54:45 PM

Can you're beloved 360 play 32 player online games like Warhawk, Killzone 2, and Socom Confrontation that run perfectly smooth and lag free? How many games do you have that can play 40 and 60 player online battles that run so gorgous you can't even tell it's an online game because there is no lag? Can you're machine play a 256 player online game like MAG..................................................I guessed not!!

For all you xbot trolls out there get an education and do some research and reading. You might be able to learn something. Your brain is not in you're controller hands is it.

Here's another question for Xbots. What is the difference between Lives Shared servers and PSN's dedicated servers?...................

Shared servers allow all Live games to run through one server base continually together. Thus the sharing of one massive server base. Lives server bases act to perform functions for all 360 services such as the dashboard, content downloads, videos, online gaming, voice messaging and text messages, etc. Basically it is a multi multi tasking setup. Thus is why I have yet to play a game on 360 that runs smoothly and doesn't freeze often where I have to reboot my machine. On top of that I have yet to see a 360 online game that supports more than 24 online players.

Another pitfall for 360 users is for the last 2 Christmas seasons I have had the worst experiences logging into the system and playing online games without just horendous lag and freeze ups. During that time period expecially the 2007 December period till the middle of February 2008, Live's server base was close to being down. Remember that period where you could barely log on and play games (This also coming from the fact that I have a 24meg Internet service)? And the worst is you pay for that garbage. Now that's sad!

One other example, When your big hits like GOW 2,& you're Call of Duty's launch, Live is so bogged down with so much activity from people playing those games online that everyone else suffers.

Now on Sony's side they have the PSN that is at the center of the service that runs the dashboard, PS Store, and online friends messaging and chat services.

The online games run from their own dedicated server bases for optimal bandwidth ensuring better and easier connectivity and thus the ability to focus on one task. Without having to do multi tasks like Live, dedicated game servers can handle MMO games such as we will see with 256 players in MAG and run online games much smoother and better with little to no lock ups. The online quality of dedicated server gaming is much much more rewardings.

If you require more information about shared and dedicated servers just google the search on the web.

That is my experience with online gaming with both 360 and PS3. I don't deal with getting booted and locking up much at all. It rarely happens and when I'm on my 360 it is a daily thing.

Ya we don't have voice messaging or ingame voice chat yet, but that is coming and when all the dust settles, Online gaming on PS3 is twice as good as 360.

I hate that people who only own the 360 have the balls to say that they have the better online service on Live when they have no clue about how PSN works nor have experienced it.

Hope you trolls got an education today.....

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Wage SLAVES
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:20:31 PM

@HOODGE
Take it to 'em

Coming from experience epic scaled games like Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 run without a butt twitch of lag.

And according to GamePro in reference to Cod4 online they say, "Stable, dedicated servers are preferable to peer-to-peer networking any day of the week. Since it carries all of the same features as Xbox 360, that key element gives PlayStation 3 a big boost."
(www.gamepro.com/article/features/164708/ps3-vs-xbox-360-ports-the-cold-hard-truth-page-3-of-4/)

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Deleted User
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:40:33 AM
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I wish people wouldn't turn this story into a console war. He's just giving people his opinion, even if his comment of "Microsoft being on a roll" only makes sense when it comes to the number of 360 consoles breaking down and/or MS paying people off for DLC content towards old games. Both comments are fact, by the way.

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Gone
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:55:32 AM
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Crytek said that they maxed out the PS3 with Crysis 2, also S-E said they maxed out the PS3 with FFXIII. Do a search on google and you will see that there are a few articles on this subject, if you don't believe me.

Just bought GTAIV at Fry's for $24.99, sale good until 6/11/09.

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Deleted User
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 12:00:44 PM

I don't think I'm going to believe any articles about the PS3 being maxed or not maxed. We'll let the software speak for itself.

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Jawknee
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 12:52:40 PM


i dont believe them. FFXIII is most certainly going to be dumbed down so it will run on the 360. if anything the Cut scenes for the PS3 version will be less compressed, but thats about it. Makes no sense to me when a company says they maxed out the PS3 yet the same game will run on the 360. Then why isnt MGS4 possible on the 360? oh yea, cause its a piece.

The PS3s superiority was obvious when Uncharted: Drakes Fortune was compared to Queers of War 2 and Uncharted came out on top.

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Highlander
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 12:59:10 PM

Folks, please understand, saying that you are maxing out a platform is utterly meaningless.

You could show 100% utilization of every resource in a system, but that says NOTHING about how efficiently you are using the resources, nor does it indicate whether your processes are well designed.

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coverton341
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 1:43:02 PM

Thank you Highlander I have been saying that for a while now. I am a programmer and I can write you a convoluted mess of code in just about any language you want it in that will do little more than open up notepad and use all of your resources in the process. Now does it bog your computer and use 100% CPU to double click the notepad icon? No. Then why would it to run a program to do the same thing? Inefficient coding. All it takes is for someone to not know how to utilize the system completely and totally efficiently to write bad code and I am sorry but I don't think anyone not even first party developers are 100% efficient with the PS3s architecture just yet. That isn't a knock at any devs it is just a factual statement about the architecture being a bit too new to market for people to fully understand yet. Take the i7 CPU from Intel. Damn quick CPU but right now I haven't the foggiest on how to utilize it so I can write code that will preform better on a system with a Core2 Duo than a system with the new i7. It is all a learning curve and the only direction is up until we hit the ceiling.

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HOODGE
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 4:40:06 PM

We heard those same comments during the PS2's time and later on way towards the end of it's dominance the games got better and better. No way we've seen the best PS3 can put out. This is really only a quarter in the systems lifecycle. Just as PS2 shined brighter and brighter towards the end, So will PS3

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BikerSaint
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:28:45 AM

@Gameover,
Actually, I doubt they're anywhere near maxing out the PS3. I think that they just haven't fully figured out the cell's system yet, so only they, "themselves" have maxed their own games out.

Once they figure out the cell, then they'll realize how farther they can optimize their game in order even start taking the mighty beast towards it's max.

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Gone
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 10:03:20 AM

Don't hate, I was just telling you that there are developers claiming that they maxed out the PS3. Ben left it out of his article that S-E and Crytek made these claims about the PS3.

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Andysw
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:57:54 AM
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lol at microsoft for denying the playstation 3's superior hardware.

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Nynja
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 1:50:42 PM
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Really, is anyone surprised by this news? Three simple reasons;

1. Developers are familiar with the 360 architecture, thus speeding up the learning curve.
2. 360 has been out for a year longer than PS3.
3. PS3 packs in more raw horsepower than the 360.

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Nynja
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 1:57:26 PM

Added note:

As Highlander stated in a reply above;

Maxing out a console's technical specifications does not mean we still won't see improvements in techniques which could ultimately enhance graphic capabilities further. It just means they have found their limits in processing power.

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Scarecrow
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 2:59:28 PM
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EA you fake bastards

Stop trying to say good things 'bout the ps3 so you can sell more on it.

You know ps3 owners hate your stupid Madden copy paste games.

This is just a strategy to sell games on the ps3, easy as that.

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crawdaddy
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 4:00:24 PM

I got to agree here. With EA porting their crappy ports to the PS3 with much lower quality than 360 games, it is no wonder they can't max out the PS3. Hey EA make the game for PS3 and then max it out.

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Deleted User
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 4:51:42 PM

@crawdaddy

Criterion knew where to start for Burnout Paradise at least.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 4:00:20 PM
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I'll be blunt, I watched E3 and Alan Wake and Splinter Cell (while they look like good games) are just graphically flat. I could make out every polygonal surface on the main characters, it frankly looked almost possible on Xbox1. FFXIII wasn't looking right either. That system is just maxed as far as what it can perform because the games now versus when it debuted aren't any better looking.

In the PS3 camp look at GOWIII, its smooth. U2 looks even better than U1, and if Crysis is going to function on 360 too then it won't even be able to touch Killzone 2 in terms of graphical qualities.

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Deleted User
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 4:13:11 PM
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trolling? Wow, i come to this site regularly because I like checking out the topics. I signed up and posted my comment on an article, and because you don't agree with it you threaten to remove me from this site, that is not very professional at all. All games right now have reached close to the limit in terms of graphics, if they could have made better looking games they already would have. If you don't like my opinion, to bad. To be told to leave this site really shows me the fanboyism in the writer.

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Andysw
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 4:30:09 PM

If you don't like the truth, don't try and disprove it.

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Dustinwp
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 4:47:40 PM

Ben's problem with you is your stating your opinions as facts. Which they are not! Anyone one who follows this site on a regular basis knows Arnold and Ben are far from fanboys. I don't believe either console is 100% maxed, but I do believe there is more unused power left in the PS3 compared to the 360, because the tech is not totally understood or utilized yet.

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HOODGE
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 4:49:11 PM

PMartin you are a troll. Exactly if you don't know the truth you shouldn't say much at all. If you experienced the PS3 for yourself then you're bloody opinions, then the facts would speak for themselves and then you could give a more factual opinion. You started it and changed the course and discussion of Ben's article. Discuss the article not you're opinions.

I feel sorry for arrogant fangirls like yourself who come in like they know everything about every system but only own the 360. I own them all and you're earlier statements above couldn't be farther from the truth. Know your facts before you open your mouth.

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Deleted User
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 5:03:11 PM

Ben and Arnold at least respect the Xbox 360 and enjoy their games despite running a PS3 site. It doesn't mean we have to, especially if we've been burned by Microsoft in the past.

I owned two Xbox 360s myself. The controllers, however, left me with arthritic index fingers because their triggers were too stiff and unforgiving. Also, why I should I pay $68 CAN to play online with mostly teenage boys who sound like they more interested in being annoying than serious? A lot of them sound like Mushmouth from Fat Albert. I can't even understand them.

I don't troll Xbox 360 boards telling them to sell their console for a PS3 and Nintendo Wii. I've washed my hands of the console. Yet, here are the trolls who seem to make daily visits to PS3 sites to stir things up and try Ben and Arnold's patience. It's obvious that you've made an error and instead of correcting it, you just harass people and dis their console of choice.

It's getting really tiresome. Until MS creates a durable console and cleans up the riffraff on XBL, why bother with the 360? In my case, it isn't worth the $$$ or grief.

At least Sony allows you to report troublemakers on Home. I don't know if they really do anything but at least it's easy to report those causing "grief".

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 6:13:53 PM

You weren't threatened because you gave your opinion, it was because you clearly signed up just to counter the article (which really only quotes EA) and proceeded to act like you are the be all end all of technological know-how. "If they could make better games they would have by now?" Then how do you explain the quality gap between the first exclusives on PS2 and the latest? Historically the games only get better on Sony consoles so even your opinion is BS at this point. So yes, signing up just to defend your system of choice IS trolling.

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Highlander
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 9:09:32 PM

Folks, I think there's a real danger of being a little over zealous here. Maybe I missed something, but Pmartin just appears to have a different opinion to ours, that should be cause for nothing more than discussion.

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aaronisbla
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:41:06 PM

i never called you a troll but you haven't refuted my points i made.

-How are Achievements better than trophies when they both serve the same purpose which is to stroke a player's e penis?

-In what ways is xboxlive so much better than psn to the point where one can justify paying for it? i thought the point of an online service was to play games online, both tend to do this fairly well, except one is free. It just gets tiresome to hear the same excuse "Crossgame chats/invites" so this justifies the pricetag per year?

-What makes you think this is the best of whats to come? Are you serious? i don't even think thats true in the 360's case, they just need to stop relying so much on the Unreal Engine 3 and things will get better, case in point, lost planet 2

Instead of getting so defensive, refute those points with facts, if u can

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maxpontiac
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:49:06 PM

Brighat1971 -
You and I have similar endings to our 360 experience it seems (not the arthritic problems, ouch).

The PS3 has treated me far better then the 360's when I owned them, and right now, there is nothing MS can do to win me back.

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tes37
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 4:44:51 PM
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So EA should have no excuse for putting out identical work on both systems. The PS3 versions should be noticeably better or EA didn,t work hard enough for PS3 owners' money.

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Deleted User
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 5:07:37 PM

EA spouts a lot of crap. Good thing the best baseball game around is a Sony exclusive.

Maybe EA should be more concerned about the one analyst who said they missed the boat this generation. Like a lot of people here, only Burnout Paradise, Fight Night and Dead Space seem to have that sheen this generation. Mirror's Edge and NHL '09 are two others but I'm not into those games.

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JPBooch
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 5:05:29 PM
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Pmartin, all you have to do is back up your statements with proof. It's quite simple. The owners and posters of this site have zero tolerance for guys who say things without any factual proof, especially if it's going to contradict an already known proof. The developer said he didn't think the PS3 was maxed and that the 360 was.

If you premised your thoughts with some articles by developers than perhaps people would believe you. Right now you sound pretty 360fanboyish...most say "I own both systems but,"

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RadioHeader
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 5:19:22 PM
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That graphical power-house "hexic" maxed out my plzfixme, and it was 6 weeks till I saw it again.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 6:17:36 PM
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ACK, we've been derailed! Let's just let the record speak for itself, the Xbox 1 did everything it could do right out of the gate, the 360 looks to be the same, while the PS1, PS2, and PSP have all proven that exclusives on Sony consoles always always always get better with every year that passes and that is the way it will go with the PS3 especially with the architecture it has which is so advanced even industry professionals are confusticated by its sheer available power.

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Dingodial
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 8:25:50 PM
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I would love EA if they released a comercial on TV saying this. The only good thing about xbox 360 is that the RAM is shared between the CPU & the GPU, giving it a better edge in terms of texture than the PS3. It would be cool if Sony let anyone send their PS3 to them so they could swap out the RAM & install a few GIGABYTES of shared RAM, so PS3 could be challenged even more than it is now!

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Highlander
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:58:02 PM

You're way, way overstating the potential advantage of a unified memory architecture (as in the 360) over a the system used in the PS3.

From the point of view of the RSX there is no difference between graphics and system memory, it has complete access to either.

I'd never deny that having more memory is better, a PS3 with 1GB of RAM (768MB of XDR and 256 MB of video memory) would rock, but considering the cost of the unit already adding another half gig of XDR to the design would have been insane.

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kokoro
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 9:00:55 PM
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i stopped believing that when i saw Final fantasy 13 running on the 360- it looks just as good

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 9:35:31 PM
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pmartin: You have no proof to validate your opinions and yet, everyone has proof to the contrary. Then you try to act high and mighty by saying it's "just your opinion," when you state it as fact with nothing to back it up.

It doesn't work. So like I said, knock it off unless you've got something concrete to say. Otherwise, it just seems like you're trying to rile people up.

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sabitrulz
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:40:14 PM
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As an owner of both the 360 n ps3................i'm telling u guys both the consoles are really great in terms of power.....both have decent grafx.....from my personal experience.........killzone2 is so far the best looking console game released to date...
Mind u.......Masseffect2 and splinter cell:con....Alan Wake is also looking pretty cool......but those tittles are nothing compared to God of war 3/last guardian/uncharted2...............

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Dante399
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:07:41 AM
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I have the two consoles and if you tell me it is possible to "remake" all the Xbox360 exclusive games on the PS3, I'd throw the 360 in a heartbeat.
The Playstation3 was made to last.

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formerroadie
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 10:47:50 AM
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The reason I bought a PS3 - the tech blows away X-box. Plus, X-box backed stupid HD instead of Blu-Ray, again, a better tech. Furthermore, once you buy all the crap you want to add to the stupid x-box, it costs $50 more than a PS3. PS3 = better tech, cheaper option, and longevity.

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Deleted User
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 10:56:31 AM
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Fact is that the hardware in the XBOX 360 and the PS3 is going on 3-4 years old, the graphics can only get so good on either console. Sure the graphics will be really good on both consoles and improved in the future, however my OPINION is that it will be very very minimal. Don't expect anything super mind blowing. Killzone 2 and Gears of War for instance, those games are great looking and I highly doubt anything in the future of the ps3/x360 will have great improvement. However we will have great games coming to both consoles, however I don't see anything mindblowing in terms of enhanced graphics.

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Major Lee High
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 4:11:16 PM
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Do the graphics really need to be much better? I want games that look like games, and have fun things to do in them more than a super realism sim. I would have rather had a quick port of Wolf:ET over the crap Quake Wars game anyday, graphics and gameplay wise.

The FACT is, ignoring graphics, with blu-ray and cell ps3 games have far more room to grow in other areas while still having top notch graphics. 256 player fps, if it manages to keep graphics, lag and fun up, is EIGHT times better than any 32 player game. Mag might not be fun for everyone, but if it works that's a huge advance in a area other than graphics.

If you really don't think the PS3 has tons of room to grow then consider this. The size limits of DVD, cheap hardware and lack of Hard Drive on some 360's is going to limit the hell out of what the devs can do on it as games get more advanced.

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NetheRealm
Tuesday, June 09, 2009 @ 8:43:10 AM
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We've all seen side by side screen shot comparisons of multiplats on the 360 & PS3. I wish we could see a comparison of Uncharted 2 screens from 360 & PS3 now that would be interesting.I'm thinking FF13 may be an indication of the differences we'll see when it's finished.

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