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Why Sony's E3 Conference Took Home The Crown This Year

Yeah, yeah, we're PSX Extreme so of course we say Sony won. You say that, I instantly retort with a simple, "shut it." I'll tell you flat out who I thought won, as I've done in many years past when Sony clearly didn't win, but I think it was painfully obvious this year.

Look, here's the deal: content is all that matters in this industry. Without the content, which means we're talking about software, all you have are three really big paperweights. Granted, many more factors have come into play in the new generation, as systems like the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 are fully functional and massively capable multimedia devices. But at the end of the day, we own our systems so we can play the games we love, and as I've said many times before, Sony's software lineup greatly outstrips Microsoft's. Yes, one can claim that with the announcement of a Metal Gear Solid for the 360 and Project Natal, that alone might top Sony's conference in terms of a "wow" factor. But what are we really talking about here? The PS3 is getting Rising, too, and let's not forget that the PSP is also getting Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker. Furthermore, Sony's motion tech was every bit as impressive as Microsoft's in my eyes, and I'm not the type of guy that puts much stock in motion sensing.

The PSP Go! wasn't a huge announcement in my eyes, but it was big, and the exclusive lineup that continually pleasured our senses during Sony's conference was unmatched. I want Alan Wake as much as anyone and I buy every Halo they make (provided it's not a strategy game), but those presentations of Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, Final Fantasy XIV, MAG, The Last Guardian, and God of War III were incredible. And they didn't even go all out; we know that Heavy Rain, Ratchet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time and Gran Turismo 5 are also on the list, and all are guaranteed winners. Even besides the PSP Go!, the new software for Sony's handheld - Peace Walker, Gran Turismo, Resident Evil, etc. - was mighty impressive, and lest we forget, Microsoft doesn't have a portable unit. Getting back to the PS3, I almost rolled my eyes when I heard the name, "ModNation Racers," but after I saw the presentation and remembered what LittleBigPlanet brought to the table, I was immediately intrigued.

When all is said and done, we gamers look down the road and ask, "what will I be playing?" If I have to examine all three conferences and ask that question, the answer is a whole lot more fun to answer when I think about the PS3 and PSP, as opposed to the 360 or Wii. The latter...well, I guess they just don't bother with software for that system, anymore. They never really have after the first year, if people didn't notice. But anyway, even if FFXIV doesn't end up being exclusive, that was a surprise, and the rest of the software kept me excited throughout. This year, Sony wins. That's it. No debate. It was a big change from E3 2007, you know?

6/5/2009 Ben Dutka

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Comments (118 posts)

Wage SLAVES
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:24:51 PM
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Project Natal was the Golden Egg in the 360 basket. Great but it has built in handicaps. Sony however brought their A game. Their jewel was a 3 way tie-God of War 3, GT5, and Uncharted 2. I nearly wet ma self...

No contest.



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wasim
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 12:38:43 AM

well NATAL is fake and that MILO thing is FAKE too. since MS had no x360 games to show vs Uncharted they faked that milo thing

http://www.n4g.com/events_e32009/News-341245.aspx

Uncharted 2, GT5 and GOW3 alone are >>>entire lineup of CRAP BOX 360

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Aquanox
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 4:38:49 AM

Guys need to give credit where its due. All major press agree on that Microsoft's had the strongest show and for a number of reasons, not only for Natal.

All PS fans point to God Of War, GT5, Uncharted and Heavy Rain but what E3 left is that all of them, except one, are being pushed to 2010, whereas Microsoft unveiled a strong lineup for this year and the next.

This should give us a lesson and it's that the more one sings early victory each year (which Sony fans do systematically EVERY year) the bigger the crow plate is when Big shows prove one wrong.

Lets face it, Microsof took it with them and I hope the "OMGZ SONY WILL PWN T3H WROLD" comments don't start all over again in 2010.

Edit: To the article writter: I would bet money right now on that you would be writting how ridiculous MS motion controller was if Sony and MS switched sides and MS had to show up a Wiimote-like controller after Sony's Natal with depth sensor, multiarray microphone, camera, custom processor and software. Come on, Natal sweeps the floor with any other motion sense offering right now it's not even funny.

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Belazor
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 6:44:27 AM

@Aquanox:
As I wrote as reply to another article; I don't believe Natal can track horizontal/vertical alignments like the Archery demo from Sony's motion controller.

This is the reason why I personally believe Sony's controller is better than Natal.

Your arguments about the camera and microphone are also moot, since the PS Eye already does all of that.
There's nothing about the software that Sony could not achieve if they partnered up with someone like MS did.

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Aquanox
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:24:54 AM

What technical argument let you think Natal can't do that? It has a camera just like Eye Toy, but in addition, it has a depth sensor, which Eye Toy lacks. If we're to talk about precision, Natal is miles beyond and doesn't only track horizontal and vertical alignment but also the distance between you and the camera.

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pavlovic
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:51:04 AM

Yes, the Eye Toy is hardware from the previous generation. Compare with the PSEye that've been around for a couple of years now and project natan does everything that PSEye does.

All motion sensor controllers are for the casual gamers... we, the people who love gaming, to comment on gaming sites and finding gaming info, won't be using this controllers, at least for the next couple of years when those turn to be the standard.

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Belazor
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 12:42:02 PM

Aquanox: The technical reason that leads me to believe this is the fact that without a gyroscope (or some of the most advanced piece of software in the world), it has no way of knowing whether your hand is tilted left, right, etc...
Or worse, what about the neutral position? Palm with fingers facing up..?

No, precision and the more advanced physics require gyroscopes, and this is where Natal fails and Sony's motion controllers with the PS Eye succeeds.

Besides, the PS Eye itself was never supposed to have depth sensors. That's what the motion controllers are for.
Natal simply incorporates depth sensor into the camera (lol @ someone walking in front of you while playing?), whereas Sony don't want to sacrifice precision for "wow factor".

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Midris7
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 12:55:14 PM

Unchated 2 and MAG are coming out this year. And what is Natal? It is just a jacked up PSEye. It is funny how MS said this is the first true motion sensor, when PS has had the Eye for years.

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wasim
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:48:13 PM

@AQUANOX

OMG this XBOT is here too. Guys he was banned from PSU. he is the biggest xbot in the world.

MS won E3???

The only thing MS could ever win is RROD.
Project MILO was FAKE and the entire lineup of crap box 360 looked underwhelming

@BEN
please ban this BOT aquanox

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Bo0mKiiD
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:29:40 AM

Haha. Anyone see the asian girl try to jump while playing that ball game? Her avatar can't get off the ground, and paint? Let's be honest, I don't want to make an elephant with my best friends manhood in my face. Aqua go to an xbox fan site and spew your load on them because here is one place you just CAN'T win.

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bamf
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:19:28 AM

@aquanox.

The only thing good for Natel is party games. Have fun jumping up and down in front of your screen in your living room. Natel just doesn't have the precision to use in games like Oblivion, which every PS fan thought of when Sony showed the tech demo of the guy in armor holding a shield and sword. With Sony's motion you can sit down and still play games in a 3d space. That the difference between the 2. With Sony you are using motion controllers to control whats on screen, with Natel you have to use your whole body. One thing MS fans don't like to do is to stand up and move after eating 10 pizza's.
Which of the 2 will be more acurate and have more precision in a Tiger Woods game?

So MS fanboy, I hope you look forward to all those Wii type party games to come to your 360. This isn't MS trying to create a whole new genre or having an advancement on gameplay very much like Sony is. This is MS hoping to do what the Wii does and compete with them in that market, which they'll get their ass kicked in.

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www
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:56:59 PM

wasim always makes me LMAO!

We all know the ps3 is great but the way you keep attacking xbox 360 is just hilarious,lol.

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sobleck
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:12:53 AM

As Wasim said before he went haywire in is second comment, project natal was somewhat fake, well not natal,but their milo presentation was, as even the lionhead director said it was a trick. Apparently you have to train the thing to your 500 words used most frequently otherwise he just smile, frowns, and blinks at you. if you think everythign else in the milo presentation was new and exciting (such as the paper scan) well then you should see sony's pseye doing it with the game eye pet [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_6mn3RVavE] other stuff such as the interface movement, well we know the pseye can do if programmed alon with the xbox vision camera. The only thing that is new is the full body capture and movement. Cool at first, but who else but a 3-5 year old is going to jump around in front of a tv for more than 10 mins (5 mins really). also those demos they displayed i the trailer for project natal just didn't seem real to me, i mean the ones in the trailer were very crisp and refined like actual games, but then they shoed us a ball game. makes me think they were BSing. also the microsoft reps careful choice of words, "what you saw is a small glimps of our vision" or something to that effect, emphasis on the word "vision" not really a reality yet. as for figthing that martial artist i wonder if you could just hit hime with a bat, his movement were also kinda slow (thats just me picking on the actual..err..virtual martial artist). anyway, i liked the idea of the interface i thought it was cool, but Sony could do it too if they wanted. And voice recognition is all software anyway

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crawdaddy
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:26:33 PM
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What difference does it make who wins. That is what we all need to get away from. This console war thing sucks. That is why most of my posts are objective about all systems. All systems have good games that everyone should play on all systems they can. Get away from all this fanboy crap on all sides. Everything is always all about who won this or that or who has the best ect... Stop the insanity!!!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:32:45 PM

E3 IS a competition, plain and simple.

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s360s
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:17:04 PM

Crawdaddy are you just ButtHurt Microsoft didn't win.

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Juanalf
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:53:55 PM

Why would we focus on the other systems and their games here if this is a Playstation oriented site!?Almost Every one here comes to talk Playstation and nothing else since this is psxe so obviously the writers are not going to focus on whatever 360&Wii got.

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Deleted User
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:21:05 AM

It doesn't matter Crawdaddy, you win with that avatar.

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Alienange
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 6:05:34 PM

Console wars are great, especially when you're winning !

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GHill4Life
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 6:22:31 PM

Agreed (partly). Although the PS3 is my preferred system I enjoy the 360 and once a year the Wii too. As I always say this is a great time to be a gamer!!!!

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CrazyIrishBoy
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:34:21 PM

Without the competition and driving force from the fans, I doubt any of the consoles would be what they are now.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 10:32:00 PM
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I think one would be hard pressed to find a level headed individual who disagrees. Even in the motion department MS really only had a promo video on how it supposed to work, Sony's tech demo actually functioned whereas Microsoft's had trouble showing the bottom of a shoe.

Agent is a guaranteed smash coming from Rockstar and anyone who says they don't want GOWIII has problems. The GT5 vid made Forza look cartoony, and on and on and on... Even MS loving G4 had to admit the Sony booth was the jumpin-est.

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JDC80
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 1:48:46 AM

Kevin and Adam reaction was quite something when Jack Trenton finished the Sony presentation, they rushed the "God of War 3" demo right where they were hosting. That quick demo of "Uncharted 2" was out of this world.

It was like they were taking notes at the Microsoft presser and just hit them back at each point. From Natal to their own motion controller, "Splinter Cell" to "Agent", Forza 3 to both GT5 and GT mobile, Metal Gear Rising to a true Metal Gear sequel only for the PSP and in my opinion that "Assassin's Creed 2" demo blew the "Rockband: Beatles" demo out of the water.

The only people I feel bad for was Nintendo fans DS gets all the love and the Wii get leftovers.

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DragonSphere
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:21:17 PM
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Thought Sony's show was great, packed with a lot of great games to show, but the presentation itself could have used a little more "oomph" I think.

Slightly off-topic, but I gotta ask: did anyone else find the appearance of the (remaining) Beatles and their widows at MS's press conference a bit useless? Sure, they brought some "star-power" to the show in terms of presentation, but they didn't really add anything at all - if Paul McCartney actually performed or something, then it would have been different.

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BikerSaint
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:26:52 PM

@Dragonsphere:

Yup, I noticed that too.

And besides that..... Ringo couldn't wait to do a 20 yard dash to leave.
And Paul just looked totally bewildered with everything.

Such a shame, that is just Not the way I wanted to remember any of the Beatles!

And I could care less that Yoko was even there at all.
To me, she will always be nothing more than an un-talented screaming banshee that married a Beatle & rode his coatails into 15 minutes of fame. In fact, the only thing she ever did that impressed me was with the naked album cover.



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therabbitkinge
Friday, June 05, 2009 @ 11:33:16 PM
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This is a competition and the winner made a clear dash for the finish. Not only does sony have the best line-up but it also has the most potential I used to own a 360 checked the live market every week not a damn thing worth my time, then ps3 came into my life and every week she had another gift for me. And I haven't looked back now personally I still see a gem or two in the 360 line up but when I think of the future I see that silver logo PS3.

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GuernicaReborn
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 12:02:04 AM
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Ben, I'm glad that the ModNation Racers presentation got you interested, I thought it looked awesome. Playstation hasn't had a really good cart racer since Crash Team Racing in my opinion. I think this game will fill that void and more, it looks incredible.

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Gregory Freeman
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 12:05:04 AM
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ModNation Racers looks so awesome to me.. out of all the new unheard of sony exclusives, FFXIV and MNR are my most anticipated..

cant wait to make a awesome map on MNR... wonder how high you can go.. (Tower of babbel anyone?? lol)

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GuernicaReborn
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 12:12:36 AM

I was thinking an Uncharted level, maybe with a jump off a submarine and a gold statue to drive around. Or a Toy Story level around Andy's room. Or something based on Twisted Metal, or Ghostbusters, or a Jurassic park track. There are so many courses I'd wanna make...

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Oxvial
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 12:11:10 AM
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the xbox fanboy still think they win via Nathal Project LOL its so fun when they say that after trashing the wii and call themselves hardcore players .

I'd say Sony win via PS3 and PSP software come on via handheld Sony has exclusive Resident Evil and Metal Gear .

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Gregory Freeman
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 12:33:48 AM

Out of all the Natal crap at e3... Milo scares the sh!t out of me... lol reminds me of skynet... m$ will create the first true AI Android you just watch...

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xnonsuchx
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 5:58:38 AM

mordakai: M$ can barely write decent NON-AI software...unless you're counting them buying out more companies far more capable than they are. :-)

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Swim_Irr
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 12:54:30 AM
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hahaha.

who else was laughing like crazy when that girl with the lisp went up and talked about facebook and twitter on x360?!?!

i'm sorry if that's rude, i mean, i think the facebook concept is cool and all... but i couldn't help but laugh every time she said facebook. lol. or other select words in her speech.

its definitely worth watching again if you missed it the first time (although unlikely).

i also liked how sony didn't feel the need to bring a load of "celebs" or whatever on stage. i prefer to hear a little bit about the game first.. i didn't like how MS just "skipped the talking" and played videos back to back. Alan Wake was definitely the best game coming out of MS's conference. that game looked sweet.

and that guy in ms's conference that introduced natal looked like one sly SOB. he was the guy that said, "we finally have snake on the xbox," and then kojima looked at him like "WTF are you talking about man?!" haha. i just couldn't find myself to trust anything that guy was saying. he seemed like a real snake-in-the-grass type of guy...

anywaaayyy.....

sony's conference felt more professional and the speakers were more.... inviting? idk. i like how he realized everyone was cheering at hannah montana. haha.

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Bo0mKiiD
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 2:18:06 AM

That's wrong dude lol. I found her lissssssp cute. Only thing I didn't like was the fact sony threw up a video montage of games coming soon but no title next to them. Other then that, this years E3 wasssss fun.

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JackKnifeZero
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 1:45:55 AM

Dude she is awesome! I love "The Guild!" It is hilarious...if you have ever played an MMORPG like FF11, WoW, or EverQuest then you should definitly watch it. HILARIOUS!

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cLoudou
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 1:56:28 AM
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Facebook and Twitter on 360 was pointless IMO, can't they just visit the pages in the 360 web-browser.

Oh yeah..............

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Swim_Irr
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 1:59:55 AM

exactly

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Fane1024
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 2:29:06 AM

LOL After they announced Last.fm (is that right?), I checked: yep, there it is via the PS3 browser. I even got a bunch of free mp3s.

p.s. Sony needs to fix the browser; it's so unstable, you'd think MS made it.

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N a S a H
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 2:49:07 PM

PS3 firefox! We should make a petition :D

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sdodge
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:03:56 AM
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Ben you are 100% correct in my book, it's all about content. Sony's content is concrete solid, they have the most polished content easily. I was so happy listening to sony's confrence I couldn't beilive people were saying ms's was better, it shocked me... I was watching the content not looking for a "shocker" but I do feel Agent had plenty of wow factor.

Infact ms was so desperate for a lineup they announced left 4 dead 2 not a year after the first, which started a petition among angry gamers.

As for the ps eye, we will have the eye pet long before project natal and sony's wands, and I feel sony's wand are much more logical
at this stage and they could always improve on the eye later if needed.

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Highlander
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:22:21 AM

I'm officially renaming "Left 4 Dead 2" as "Left 4 Dead Again".

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Gregory Freeman
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 12:37:38 PM

[sarcasm]well, when there's a contest, xbots can never lose!![/sarcasm] [truth]even when their E3 show wasn't all that great...[/truth]

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Highlander
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:21:25 AM
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Microsoft showed fewer games (exclusive or otherwise) for the 360 than Sony showed for the PSP. They did try to make up for it by starting early, presumably so that Paul and Ringo could catch their flights... Microsoft had some big names on stage, the pity was, they were celebrities and not games. Granted there are some good games coming, Alan Wake for example, but the rest of the line up is very, very Meh! Microsoft tried to make a silk purse from the sow's ear of not having an Internet browser and so had to explicitly add front ends for Facebook, Twitter and Internet Radio. I guess they are afraid to expose the 360 to the load of running IE8? Their motion control was not all that live, or interactive and Prenatal care might be appropriate for Project Natal considering how little of it looked ready for prime time.Sky Tv and more Netflix...yadda ...yadda...Microsoft is, and always has been more interested in trying to grab control in your living room than in offering great games.

Sony showed up with games galore. So many that they just couldn't fit them all in. The PSP boasts a more impressive game line up than the 360, and the new model is all download, no UMD - if I had a dollar for every time someone said "If only Sony would drop UMD...." I'd be able to retire. PS3 continues to grow it's line up of exclusive titles and unique titles. Titles range to all genre, and then the bombshells start to drop. MGS Rising isn't exclusive, there's be a new MGS game on PSP, and FFXIV is exclusive (on consoles) to PS3. God of War III impresses and Uncharted is literally off the charts. Sony really set the pace by showing game after game. Unlike Microsoft, they didn't waste time and have celebrity cameo's to use yet more time, they let the games speak, and showed things live. Then their motion control displayed a precision and control clearly lacking in Microsoft's demo, and Showed everything working now, not tomorrow. All this and still no date for GT, no Heavy Rain, no Ratchet, no PS3 slim, no price cut, no....well there were lots of things we already know/knew about and Sony had so much to show, that they had to leave lots out. Sony is all about games and using the games to drive console purchases. It's not about controlling the living room it's about offering the best content, and letting the consumer decide what happens in their living room.

Finally Nintendo showed a very poor line up of coming titles and seemed content to talk about Wii Fit Plus and the new sensor accessory. The new sensor accessory looks like a pulse/O2 finger meter as you will see in many medical establishments. Considering the lack luster delivery, the muted colors and the almost medical nature of their new accessory and the health focus of Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus, it seems as though Nintendo no longer wants to do games, but rather wants to do something in medicine or health. Perhaps a merger with Homemedics? Either way, and all joking aside, Nintendo really showed very little at E3, and had little of anything to talk about. Like Sony, no sign of a price cut, despite a clear slowing of sales of the wonder-console. Where do Nintendo go next? What are their aims? What's their strategy? Unlike Microsoft and Sony, it's hard to really get a handle on this with Nintendo.

In the end, Microsoft seems to have showed drastically fewer games, and fewer major games than at previous E3 shows, their emphasis seems to have been more on other services and accessories.

Sony brought games, games and more games. They obviously believe that games are what sell game consoles, and so they're delivering games. I believe this is a very powerful tactic because it puts control into the hands of the consumer buying the games.

Nintendo appears to have lost their way utterly. It's almost like they didn't expect to sell so many Wii, and don't quite know what to do now.

I do think Sony had the stronger presentation this year. More games, better range of games and genre. Games for hand held and home console. At the end of the day, being a gamer is about games, so there's really no other measure that you can use to determine who 'won' - games.

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Deleted User
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:36:46 AM

@Arnold/Ben - I think highlander wants a job.

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Highlander
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:42:09 AM

No Thanks. Got too much on my plate as it is. LOL!

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rezenu
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:03:09 AM


I agree with what you said Highlander.

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Gregory Freeman
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 12:51:39 PM

"FFXIV is exclusive (on consoles)"

wut i find stupid, is when halo 2 and gears of war were the main system exclusives for the xbox, they were also on pc, and every xbot said they are exclusive to xbox, bcuz sony's ps3 doesn't have em, dispite the fact that it's on more then 1 platform. but when we get one like that, they are quick to snap back by saying "Quit calling it exclusive!! whether you like it or not, its on 2 platforms, hence not an exclusive, SO STOP!!!" <<(Actual Youtube Comment BTW)

the same kinda stuff happened between ps2 and xbox and then ps3 and 360:

ps2:came 1 yr earlier
ps2:had mostly 2 pilot exclusives (gta3,GOW)

xbox:blamed its failure on the 1 yr difference...
Xbox:mocked the fact that the system (at the time) had only 2 pilot exclusives..

Ps3:Came one year late
Ps3:had a lack of games.

360:Laughed in sony's face that they came 1 yr late.
360: still to this day, only has 2 pilot exclusives.. (halo3, GOW2) and defend them to the end of the world..

see the Hippocracy??

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Deleted User
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:35:47 AM
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The games are the most important part of the conferences, but there are other factors, and I think Sony delivered on all sides. If they hadn't announced their motion controls, I think project Natal would have stolen the show for MS, even if Sony had more games.

Because in my opinion whoever gets more people excited and talking is who won.

And the stuff about Natal and Milo being fake, isn't true. A lot of sites took Milo for a spin.

I'm sure it will be more than 3 years before we see a full game using the technology.

If Sony would have shown footage of Agent, it would have won it hands-down. But now MS fanboys have some arguments about Natal winning it for MS.

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HOODGE
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 4:32:17 AM

Fanboys Stick will always have something to say no matter what. The way I look at it is when enough evidence is on a criminal to put him away for life, the case is all but over. Sony's presentation had enough evidence (even more then it could present due to time limitations) in the area of top quality exclusive game titles, that it proved that no matter what celebrities or gimmicks Microsoft could get on the stage, they still ended up getting owned by Sony's show.

Microsofts Natal was so off in it's motion sensing on stage when that developer speaking (drug addict looking dude) moved his body around and the MicroWii Avatar took a crap fit all over the screen. "This is what the bottom of my shoe looks like," and the Avatar's arms and legs went flopping all over the place. I cried laughing at that. How embarrasing.

Then that girl playing that dodgeball game looked like she had a gerbil up her butt. LMAO. OMG a drunk person doesn't even look that funny.

Then with that Party Paint demo could you imagine how stupid that would be to have you're buddy or girlfriend (could be kinda kinky in a way with you're girlfriend) with their face in your butt to make the other half of the elephant. In the end that painting looked like something a 2 yr old would make.

Sony's version of a spray paint can demo with their motion controllers actually was amazing compared to 360's Party Paint. (MS actually are starting to sound like Wii now in their software names). That Natal won't be able to play sword or fighting games where you have to be precise with aiming or anything with guns or swords or stuff as their is no buttons like Sony's controllers will have to fire your guns and stuff. What are you gonna have to say, "Shoot, shoot, shoot", every time you wanna fire a gun. I just see quite a few areas where it will be limited.

At the end when that dorky looking Don Mattrick came on stage and announced the non Metal Gear game announcement and had Hideo Kojima tap him on the shoulder must of been embarrasing for the Father of MGS to have to play that part. Bet Hideo just cringed having to be out there. Too bad Rising is no original MGS game that we as Playstation fans enjoyed. He's even giving his youngters the tasks of making the game. It won't be his brilliance behind it. Glad Hideo's roots and passions are with the Playstation brand. Well I guess Microsoft threw him a cool million to do that skit like they did for the Beatles and Spielberg and stuff.

Microsoft were trying to be so Hollywood like, they really didn't focus on what E3 was about. Amazing Games/Tech. By filling in all those gaps with celebrities and freak shows, they really proved that they had not much to show and that is the conclusion I came to with MS's show.

Nintendo was dry as the desert that is all I can say. Mario Galaxy 2 and that Metroid were all they had.

Sony on the other hand won hands down with so much amazing exclusives on top of exclusives that time kept them from showing them all. If it wasn't due to time restraints, they probably could of gone on for hours more. Sony won hands down. No need to say anymore.

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karneli lll
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 4:21:09 AM
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I was kinda dissapointed with Sony because only two release dates were mentioned, at this rate all the exclusives will arrive next year and history repeats itself.

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rezenu
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:00:38 AM

Great games take time?

I knew God of War III was coming March 2010 so that doesn't bother me. GT5 should be coming soon but PD are perfectionists and I'm sure they want to get things right.

I look forward to playing Uncharted 2 and NGS2 this year.

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SaladFingers
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 7:11:25 AM
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i did not enjoy reading that

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Bo0mKiiD
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:35:54 AM

I did not enjoy reading that ^

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rezenu
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 7:58:46 AM
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Sony's conference was really good, despite the PSP Go leak. There were so many games that were announced, and I really liked that montage that they did there.

Anyone who denies that Sony's conference had the best showing would need their eyes checked.

Now, I won't knock off Microsoft because their conference was better than last years. But 'Project Natal'? I'm not feeling that and I have a bad feeling it's going to flop. But they did have something for the 360 fans either way.

The only thing that interested me from Nintendo was the new Super Mario Bros. game. I hope it's good because I'm going to pick up a Wii eventually.

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___________
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:12:23 AM
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i was realy dissapointed about sonys Conference.
simply because well 1 they spent the first hour on sales how many pieces of DLC has been downloaded that crap, i seriously could not care less so stop wasting my time.
2 they spent to much time on the psp go it was nice to see them suporting the psp for a change with some good games but they took 1 hour to anounce how many games seriously get on with it.
3 it dident start well for me i started watching it in home and paul would get 10 words out than the video would have to buffer i put up with it for 10 minutes than lost it.
seriously whats the point of providing something if it does not work.
and lastly nothing they showed suprised me GOW3 and U2 look absolutly out of this world but nothing sony showed suprised me.
but ms suprised me with alan wake and splinter cell i realy was not excited for that game but after that demo im realy excited for it.
and to top it off no GT5 release date WTF?
no uncharted release date no R&CACIT release date no heavy rain release date dissapointing.

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sdodge
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:58:09 PM

I agree, gamers don't want to hear about sales and dlc and junk like that.

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Andysw
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:28:37 AM
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I hope final fantasy XIV remains a console exclusive.

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Mr Bitey
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:50:49 AM

That whole announcement turned out to be pretty weird. One day my jaw drops and hits the floor as the title is announced as a PS3 exclusive. Then in less that 24 hours Square opens up there conference by saying they are looking into bring it to the 360. I don't know what to make of it myself.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 1:35:57 PM

Tough on DVD I think.

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crawdaddy
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 9:13:53 AM
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@s360s: Looks more like you are a ButtHurt. I did not say Microsoft won anything. I just said stop the system wars.

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Gone
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 9:48:57 AM
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Sony's motion sensing was a surprise. I was expecting it to be like the Wii, but it seems 10X better. Uncharted and GoW3 blew me away, I don't mind paying $60 for these games. I just hope that Sony does not shift their focus on just motion sensing stuff. Modracers would have been better if they had made the cars more realistic instead of cartoony. Wish they had shown a trailer of Agent instead of just putting the title up.

It was funny when Nintendo put people into 3 classes - Active, Maybe, and Never.

Logitech Driving Force GT at Gamestop for $99.

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formerroadie
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 10:39:51 AM
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I'm not sure how you get by with saying Wii had nothing. I agree that PS3 owned E3, but Wii had some great titles I can't wait for: Super Mario Bros, Mario Galaxy 2, Conduit, the Grinder, Resident Evil, Dead Space, Red Steel 2 and a new Zelda in 2010. So, I'm not sure where you get off talking about Wii having no software. X-box was the one that really was sad. I mean, they have a gagillion dollars to get download exclusives to screw with Sony customers but they don't have enough to pay developers to come out with great games. Lame.

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oldmike
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 11:56:59 AM

zelda was not part of there E3 show it was just art
they only talked about it to calm the fans down
the team ninja game was the only one i liked
onrail shooters and FPS with last gen look are not for me

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Deleted User
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 12:37:20 PM

The thing about those games is that they are questionable... Wii game just don't stack up against PS3 games.

You mentioned about 6 games, and two of those are restricted shooters... Are you really looking forward to those? Anyway, Zelda might not even come out in 2010. And Mario Galaxy 2 looked exactly the same as the first, it's hard to get excited over a game that looks exactly like it's last. Look at Uncharted 2 and how much bigger and better it looks. I didn't see that with Mario Galaxy at all, if you told me it was footage from the first, I would believe you.

Back to the 6 games though, that's counting third party! Sony has more games than that from just first and second party, if you included third party, it would be about 20 or more "good" looking games.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 1:00:51 PM

I get off saying the Wii has no software because it doesn't. I say it because not a single game you mentioned is anything new (Zelda 2010?! For the love of CHRIST...), nor can any one of them stack up to the best games on either the PS3 or 360. The titles on the latter systems are next-gen; the titles on the Wii are from the GameCube...only with a Wiimote.

I'm sorry, but this is the way things are.

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Dustinwp
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 1:40:15 PM

I will admit I am quite interested in the new Zelda and Metroid titles. With two RE games and a Dead Space game it might warrant a Wii purchase in the very near future.

Sorry, Ben

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007
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 2:03:17 PM

um, sorry to burst your bubble but all those mentioned wii games suck. And no, again, 360 comes out better than the wii, sorry to tell you.

1. ps3 2. 360 3. wii

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Jed
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:51:05 PM

I have to admit that Conduit looks interesting. Even though it is a wii game, the devs are really trying to make it something special that hardcore gamers can get into. They just have 2 problems,

1. It's on the wii, and 99% of wii games are crap. so it will be very hard to get people hyped about it.

2. I dont know how many wii owners really want to play real games.

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oldmike
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 11:30:36 PM

the thing with wii FPS is why play them if you have a PS3
on a HD TV wii games look last gen and most play like it
also what fun are onrail shooters???

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BikerSaint
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:40:00 AM

@ formerroadie,
Not bashing any consoles, but the PS3 has 345 games coming out THIS YEAR ALONE, 35 of them exclusive to it. And a extremely accurate 1 to 1 tracking motion senser Sonymote coming this spring

Plus not to metion all the tons of new releases coming out for the 2 PSP's too
(OK, I did mention it, LOL).

That certainly betters both of MS's & WII's offerings combined!

How can you not think so too??????

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sdodge
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 12:20:28 PM
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Also how about tecmos ps3 support, amazing... Sony could have shown quantum, ninja gaiden sigma 2 and undead knights or whatever it's called for the psp.

I also think sony should have shown lost planet 2, dead rising 2 and bioshock, just to get in ms's head.

I think the motion controlles are all about the casual audience and like I said, eye pet will be out long before both other devices and it will show that you can inte4ract with the eye without those wands, they are just awesome accessories.

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BikerSaint
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 11:28:56 PM

It just irks me to no end on how a few know-it-all's come in here just keep spouting off on & on, about how motion sensors are just for casual gamers.
Oh, is that f*cking so???

Then I guess you must think I'm one of those casual gamers you so speak of too, just be cause I intend on getting that Sonymote!!!!!!!

But I find it quite a bit odd though, because I don't remember any one of you "so called predictors of the future", taking the time & effort to knock on my door with all your lead #2 pencils & any check-off motion sensor surveys in your f*cking hands!!!!

I had.......
Tandy computer w/games
Intellevision w/games
Colecovision w/games
Atari 2600(wood grained) w/games

I own now......
SNES
Atari Jaguar 45 cartridge games
Atari Jaguar 64 bit CD adapter 9 Disc Games
Panasonic 3DO 45 games
Sega Genesis 140 games
Nintendo 64 78 games
Sega Saturn 75 games
Sega Dreamcast 48 games
Nintendo GameCube (with the GameBoy player attachment). 24 games assortment for both
MS Xbox 177 games
Sony Playstation 536 games
Sony PS2(fattie model) 140 games
Sony PS3(just got a 60 GB model) 22 games

Let's see now, that make "17 SYSTEMS" that I've owned & played so far!!!!!!!

And I'm also getting a used Wii & 360 in the near future, just for some of their exclusives.

So am I one still of those casual gamers that you few seem to know so much about??????


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JackKnifeZero
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 2:09:47 AM

Yes

:) Just kidding...don't hurt me!

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Dustinwp
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 1:24:40 PM
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Natal was interesting, but I feel it was kind of a gimmick much like the PSeye has been for years. When MS can show me in a live demo how natal will change the way I play video games, I will then except it as a serious application. I thought MS and Sony both had good showings, but Sony brought great PSP and PS3 titles that I'm very excited about. I was very impressed with how much support 3rd party devs are starting to show for the PSP. People forget the PSP titles also count as games not just PS3/360 games.

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Deleted User
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 2:19:14 PM

I agree, a lot of people don't give Sony credit for how much stuff they are bringing for all three consoles. Imagine if they only had the PS3 to support! We wouldn't even be talking about who won E3, but which Sony games looked the best.

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Jed
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:41:47 PM

I think the Natal presentation was more about what they want to be able to do with it. Keep in mind it is a prototype. They are obviousley very optimistic about the project.

I just think it is kind of deceptive the way they presented it. The video shows what they want to do with it, but who knows how long it will take them to get it to perform well enough to bring to retail.

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Bo0mKiiD
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:41:55 AM

Dude did you not see the live paint demo? ELEPHANT, MAN!

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JackKnifeZero
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 2:14:55 AM

Yeah Natal seemed interesting but I'm not sure what a developer could really do with it other than voice recognition maybe. Natal didn't seem like it could support an FPS of any kind....perhaps it could work if you got into a certain "gun stance" to shoot and then a "run stance" to move. However that seems lame. I'm assuming the PS3 Wands had some sort of analog stick for movement.

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N a S a H
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 2:49:48 PM
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ModNationRacers looks great! Can't wait to pick it up.

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Robochic
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:10:49 PM
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I enjoyed Sonys conference kept me wanting more and more :) would love a release date on WKC though.

M$ conference was dull and boring. Natal is not going to hack it at all, they are not focusing on their target market at all cause i know people with a 360 and they even said thats something they would never use. Milo my one friend said is nothing that he would even look for or have it's just to scary. He says he likes to look at his tv not have his tv look at him.

Nintendo disappointed me I was hoping for more info on a new Zelda but I wasn't really expecting much to begin with. I am looking forward to the Kingdom hearts game for DS though.

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Dustinwp
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:25:58 PM

WKC has a TBA 2010 release.

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Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 3:39:32 PM
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Nintendo does have the fitness, tennis and Mario genres covered though.

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Gregory Freeman
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 11:28:10 PM

so, if you wanna play as an italian plumber, and then burn those calories from all that spaghetti, then the wii is your console...

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Highlander
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 4:30:59 PM
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A question for one and all, how much of Natal and Milo are real, and how much are fake?

A certain site on the Interw3eb has decided that the on-stage presentation was fake - no surprise, it's a scripted presentation. However a large number of gaming journalists apparently tried our the tech and claimed it works more or less as on stage. Along with all that, there is a very persistent thread of thought that Milo is being controlled by someone off stage - something along the lines of "Do not pay attention to the man behind the curtain..."

I wonder just how much of what was shown and claimed on stage is 100% accurate and real, and how much is wishful thinking?

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Jed
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:32:16 PM

I'm sure that the video presentations had a lot of stuff that was faked to hype it up. But that is understandable. It is just a prototype, and they want to show you the potential that Natal has, but cant do quite yet.

I think the question is not, "if" it can do that stuff, but how long will it take them to get it to actually work.

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Dooby_Scooby
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:52:44 PM

Highlander,

When I saw Milo, One thing came through my mind.. smoke and mirrors.

Milo was an example of AI, it doesn't matter how you interact with the AI, it's just trying to demonstrate AI. It had to be completely and utterly staged, it was a PR stunt designed to fool the audience, smoke and mirrors. If they actually had Milo working to anywhere near the levels they would have you believe, it would be in research papers everywhere, it would be a near enough break through.

Not to get fanboyish on this subject but look at the eyepet demo.. At one stage they draw a diagram of a plane the plane is picked up, the pet draws the plane inside of the screen and then the plane bits pop out into 3d and the boy-actor picks up the controller and flies the pet around the room (look on psn the demo is there)..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPENA1Bpm68 this is another demo of eyepet.

Considering MS already knew Sony had this coming, they had to come up with something more spectacular.. Instead of a pet they came out with a little boy.

Most of the reviews I have read about Milo, they point to it being broken. There is elements that look interesting, like facial recognition but they ask it questions it just nods, it ignores the questions and outputs something else completely much like a GIGO (garbage in garbage out) algorthim.

There is other stuff as well mentioned by some reviewers, like the fact that the developer in the background was inputting the persons name into the system and seemed to be inputting more information into Milo.

This will either be a very set scripted environment, or will never be complete..

For example to match the colours of a shirt.. It will have to have an index of every colour. It will have to go through its register of colours and then pick out something that matches what your wearing, its completely doable, but I dont think they did it. I reckon this has been knocked up quite quickly. The processing power required would be huge btw, what would it do if you stood their butt naked ? what if you take off your jacket ? .. It has to keep track of all of this information and then be able to process and output something sane, or it can just blurt out any old crap..

Next to the speculation about the AI code. Sony has the AIBO, which is an on the market electronic pet. The logic behind the AIBO, would be immense, the AI that something like the AIBO, the coding the algorithms will be far more advanced than this PR stunt just displayed. Hey and you can interact physically with it, which again shows where the idea of the eyepet comes from.. I wouldnt be surprised if Sony could integrate some logic so that if you have an Aiibo the eyepet and the aiibo did some crazy stuff together. This is all doable, but it costs a huge amount of money in a recession.

As for Project Natal, I know what site you are talking about. Some one else pointed a link to it some where else. The water reflection, is nothing more than aqua vita on the PS3 currently, if they couldnt pull that off without faking it, it tells you just how far they have to go.

The live elements they showed such as the tracking.. They mention stuff about skeletal tracking, the ability to track 16 points of motion on the body, great stuff. In practice the avatar was flailing about like the guy had no skeletal structure at all.

I reckon Milo was demoed because Natal is very far from closure. It was designed to amaze the audience and detract from Natal itself.

In all of the back room interviews, the interviewers have said categorically that the Natal looked very different, the sensors seem to be in different locations, others have pointed to it being housed in a rough black wood box etc etc.. I bet that thing they showed on stage was a complete fake as well.

The menu navigation was very cool though, Sony should do something like that for the ps3 that would be cool (the ps3 eye should be easily able to pull it off)..

The PS3 motion controller may have looked like a glowing dildo (does it have rumble support ? lol), but the thing was smooth true 1-1 tracking and you could tell incredibly accurate as attested to by writing on a wall rather than throwing buckets of paint.. I saw the Wii conference and the archery impressed me, the basketball impressed me, the motion plus tracking seemed to be very good. I saw the Sony demo, especially at the end when the demonstrator goes behind his back and gets an arrow and then starts firing the arrows and that just blew me away. Up to that point the motion plus was a dead cert purchase, after that forget it..

Sony took a dump on Nintendo and Microsoft tried to pull a fast one and it has pulled a fast one. News sites like the BBC fell for it hook line and sinker. The Gaurdian newspaper again fell for it hook line and sinker. The major news sources all believed the hype. Anyone that analysed the videos afterwards like us, would know that most of it was smoke and mirrors.

The BBC reported about all of the stars and about how impressive Project Natal Looked. Put the PS3 controller down compared to the Natal.

The MS Natal basically "stole the show" as far as big media/News companies are concerned, because they believe what they are fed and dont bother looking any further. Its a shame, but that's what Marketing is all about.

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DGo8
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 4:42:34 PM
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I thin half of what we saw was just old video being played back to us...its not going to be what MS are saying it will be...its gonna change gaming its not gonna change it at all...i dont think its going to be as responsive as it was shown to be.

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Alienange
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 6:12:08 PM
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About all the motion sensing crap out there, I think Ben made it clear a while back and I agree wholeheartedly. We LIKE to push buttons. We've been pushing buttons for decades. It's not going to be replaced with a swish of the hand. No way. Did you see that kid nearly kick the TV set because he was taking on a fighter using Natal? After all the wiimotes going through TVs you'd think they'd have learned something.

For those out there who think this Natal is the next wave, I tell you what. You go play with your little boy. I'll be throwing ninja stars at monsters on my PS3.

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Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 7:57:24 PM
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MS could easily decide-after seeing Sony's tech-that they could easily tie in some sort of actual control with their camera tech to have what Sony has, maybe better. I dunno though. It all sounds great in theory, but I've been thinking... as awesome as Milo was, I want a game where I can control characters with some buttons, I'm not trying to take care of a virtual child.

It would be great for $10 on the PSN though :)

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Highlander
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:52:06 PM

wrt taking care of a virtual child, I already have a real one to care for, and pets, and a husband/wife, so why on earth would I want to care for a virtual child? - Just the sort of question many gamers with disposable income are surely going to ask.

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Bo0mKiiD
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:42:46 AM

But milo needs help with his project...

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aaronisbla
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:53:28 PM

lol boomkiid

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Jed
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 8:25:35 PM
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The video for natal was pretty impressive, but who actually thinks that will be ready to sell any time soon? The Milo video was also obviousley staged. I laughed out loud when that Kudo guy was up on stage and his avatar was buggy and contorted. The part where the girl played dodgeball, or whatever it was, was not convincing because she was just jumping around trying to hit like 8 balls that were flying at her. If she could consistantly hit one ball at a target I would be more inpressed. But then again, that would make it seem more like some kind of crappy wii game.

Even though there were a few bugs with sony's motion controller, I respect them for actually bringing out a live demo that was infinitely more believable than the video for Natal.

Microsoft did announce some good games, but most of them were multiplat. They acted like Modern Warfare and Rising were exclusives that they made.

I really think Ben is right here. Sony just had a whole lot more games. Plain and simple

P.S. Do xbots even know that the PSP exists? They cant find anything bad to say about it reguarding Sony's press confrence.

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jaybiv
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 9:44:16 PM
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I tried to watch the MS conference nearly threw up. What most people fail to realize is that MS is horrible at marketing.

Think about it. They have a near monopoly on the operating system and web browser markets, i.e. you do not need to market those products. And when they did market new products they almost always fail--Zune, Vista, etc.

Now with the Xbox, MS uses similar tactics to push the system--market manipulation. That's why they buy exclusives because MS does not know how to market.

It's apparent in the opening of their conference. MS is trumpeting the Beatles Rock Band game as if it's only available on Xbox, which it isn't. That alone speaks volumes as MS doesn't have much to say about it's lineup for the next 12 months if they are promoting a game that available for every other system out.

I gave MS 7 minutes that I wish I could have back. If the best they can do is start their conference with a multi-plat title, then that tells me there is nothing else to look at.

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SnipeySnake
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 10:26:13 PM
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Am i the only one who thinks New super mario bros wii is awesome? 4 player.....me, my bro and my cousin xD

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Gregory Freeman
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 11:35:02 PM

i grew up on mario and nintendo, a part of me will always support the company... but they have to, and i cant stress this point enough... THEY HAVE TO DROP THE MOTION GIMMICK AND GET BACK INTO H/C GAMING!!! they haven't won a Console war in 2 generations (possibly 3 the way things are going) they need to bring back the kind of shock and awe, breakthrough technologies like the SNES had, (no, im not saying re release a 32 bit SNES, im saying bring a console to the table that will impress everyone, old, young, pro gamer, casual gamer alike, the way the SNES did..)

I think im gonna blow the dust out of my cartridges and slot and play me some Starfox or Donkey Kong..

Off topic:

Both the ps3 and 360 can trace their sources back to the Super Nintendo... and il explain how..

the year was roughly 1991-92, the success of the Super nintendo was major, but the genisis inrtoduced a disk drive for it's console, so Nintendo looked into building one, and got an expert in Compact Disk Tech to help; This expert was Sony.

Close to completion of the unit, sony and nintendo got into a fight, and Sony branched off and released the Playstation, bringing the first of Sony's revolutionary units into existence, and leaving Nintendo in its dust..

years later...... sony actually helped build a processor that was later modified and used in the design of the 360.. a processor that wouldn't have been made, had sony never released a console..

lol i was bored and just wanted to share that :)

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oldmike
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 11:45:28 PM

its a DS game remake to me thats a joke

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BikerSaint
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:10:04 AM
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@mordakai1,
Actually Nitendo blindsided Sony right at their show.
Nintendo was supposed to talk up Sony's
involvement in making the new drive for Nintendo, all the way up to the actual announcement.

But once on stage, Nintendo did a complete 180 & shot down Sony & it's new drive instead.

Which left egg on Sony's face,
And the rest is history... It pissed Sony off, & into making the PS1.

And about the 360, one of Sony's many cell developing consortium partners(I forget which company) sold part of it out to MS

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BikerSaint
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:48:43 AM
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Saint's report card on E3's presentations

Wii: D-
Other than the game Coduit, and a couple others, not much else! No, seriously.
Since Nintendo is turning into a health monitoring company, they need to add add a defilitrator to their line-up too.
That way they can use to zap all their own R&D guys, or I'm afraid the patient Mr. Wii will some need massive transfusions over time.

If not, they need to make this their new slogan for 2010:
"Help, I've fallen, and I can't get up"

Mocrosoft: C+
MS showed about 6 games I'll probably buy when I get an Elite console.
But Project Natal is only PRE-Natal, and is only PRE-sumed to become POST-Natal, if at all.
It might be a little premature to say this, but maybe undergoing a C-Section would help deliver MILO along.
Anyway, MILO just creeps me out me big-time.
But I'm sure pediphiles the world over, will (bum)rush to love him....er.....I mean.....it.


SONY:A+
Sony really brought their A game(s).
Yup...345 of em, with 35 exclusive, in 09
Perfect responding 1.1 tracking Sonymote coming.
New PSP & tons of games for both coming.
100% PS2 Support still being maintained.

Nuff said, right????

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BikerSaint
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:09:17 AM
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OOPS, slight typo above...
I meant Microsoft, not Mocrosoft

BTW, another thing on the PS3.
I believe that Sony's dropping 80% off the price of their development kits is a stroke of genius, and soon we should start seeing more game makers jumping on the PS3 bandwagon.

And we gamers will be reaping the rewards from the fruits of those labors.

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LividFiction
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:34:57 AM

That was the PSP, not the PS3.

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LividFiction
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:34:22 AM
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As soon as they started building a racetrack in ModNation Racers I decided that I wanted the game. Badly. It's like THPS2's Create-a-Park with the look and almost the scale of LittleBigPlanet. I see all win here.

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CrazyIrishBoy
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:26:56 AM
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This is a ps3 site, it is gonna be slightly biased, but we hav to admit that microsofts natal and milo probably will work in the end but im still of the opinion that sonys motion controller is much better, it was proven to work live in a prototype stage, imagine when its finshed... What about all the fat gamers out there they arnt gonna want to jump around while playing tekken using natal, the good propotion of the american gamer market is gone there... And true what you say about milo, who wants to take care of some annoying kid.

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bamf
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:45:57 AM

I can't imagine anyone being able to replicate the moves in real time for a game like Tekken 6. Jackie Chan himself couldn't do it. So that would mean it will only require the user to do basic moves as an input to get a good combo or something on screen. But what would the point in that be, that could be done on the PS2 eyetoy so we miht as well just use buttons on a pad.

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bamf
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:40:43 AM
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You can always tell from the reaction from the audience, which I'm sure is the same audience for all 3 conferences.
Yes there was the automatic 'oh yes' after each trailer had finished when MS showed Halo, FFXIII, Splinter Cell, etc. The reaction from the audience when Tretton said 256 reasons and we all new it was MAG had more of a wow factor. The audience cheered throughout the Uncharted Demo as it was clearly visually better than anything we have seen before, the audience cheered when we saw the level of detail in the city.
The audience was shocked as was I when he announced FFXIV. All you could hear was silence for a second then mumblings amongst each other. WTF was the most said words at that point I imagine.

I think after each showing when the audience left and they looked back at what they saw. At MS they would have thought that there were some good games there and Natel was interesting but most of it was just meh!
Less the said about Nintendo the better.
After Sony I bet the audience left pleased and had a good time as its always interesting to hear what Sony has to say and there's always a laugher or two. They would have left knowing that SOny had the biggest announcement in FFXIV, left seeing the best line-up of games and knowing that the exclusives were bigger and better than what MS had shown.

Its always better to go last as if you have a good showing, it can always make you forget what was shown at the other conferences.

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Esco_san
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:30:51 PM
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this E3 was awesome for gamers so many games so little money, i'm just glad to see sony motion controls. after last gen when japan told sony social gaming would never take off they stepped back and watched all their ideas thrown in their faces, but this E3 sony did it, more games than could be shown, who if u saw it coming it's the fact they're giving it right? psp is getting better with all digital making it a true portable device no extra baggage need (I'll feel lighter on Oct 1st), good console defining exclusives all year (I finally get a ps3 DDR i'm set). all gamers won and micrsoft killed in the wow department but just like i been reading xbox fans profess the items offstage do we even need to respond, I could just use a gamestop and point out more ps3 exclusives than microsoft, even with the new stuff, tell xbox owners try trash panic. i liked 360 prelaunch of ps3 and RROD, i have no respect for their console or their milking of great franchises like a yearly spring break event. i love alot of their games and thank god for steam so i can indulgeRROD FREE....viva la gaming

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Esco_san
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:38:51 PM
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plus microsoft left their Zune HD...maybe they have no faith in it, an Iphone ripoff minus phone. Zune failed cause microsoft made it incompatible with ps3 but psp could hook up to xbox 360, I hope all the people from other sites excluding psp for having no competition read microsofts plans for Zune HD xbox live connectivity and dsi stoe nintendo.... competition is their , no one else showed up to the race

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questing222
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:27:03 PM
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@jaybiv's comments

"MS is trumpeting the Beatles Rock Band game as if it's only available on Xbox, which it isn't. That alone speaks volumes as MS doesn't have much to say about it's lineup for the next 12 months"

So you dont think that maybe.. just maybe.. this promotion had something to do with the fact that Rockband 2 launched exclusively on Xbox 360.
You didn't make that connection.. No??

"I tried to watch the MS conference nearly threw up. What most people fail to realize is that MS is horrible at marketing.....And when they did market new products they almost always fail--Zune, Vista, etc.".

This comment is almost embarassing.
Even the most Ardnant of Sony fanboys will admit that MS marketing, rather than their products are what stands out.
Vista currently has 400 million users.
Considering it is a terrible, terrible piece of software I would say that its been a massive success comercially, even more successful than XP.

If you're going to question marketing then question SONY... After all, the last few years from a marketing point of view was a complete and utter shambles.
The Playstation brand has taken a battering considering it was the market leader just a few short years ago.
The Walkman brand went from being an overwhelming market leader to being virtually dead and buried.

The PS3 is the most advanced piece of gaming hardware the world has ever seen.
It was made the market leading brand in gaming.
It lies in third place with little chance of catching its competitors.

That, from a marketing point of view, is a disaster.

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Esco_san
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 4:26:13 PM

i'm trying to figure who told u the best today is always on top, if your logic was right nintendo would've been on top this whole. walkman fell off due to mp3 distribution made open by ipod which is the new household name. i have a walkman mp3 player, walkman isn't dead by any means, theirs walkman phones, mp3 players, and still the old cd player is available. sony hasn't failed the economy has. people cry price and wont but but i know alot of people have xbox 360 pro and bluray player ...... that's more than a ps3. people will always buy what they want and cry when something they can't get is out of their reach or too expensive. ps2 late entry into online gaming was what made halo a household name, so really this Gen sony was the student, microsoft was the teacher and ninty is rebel who follows no one learn the truth guy ...And rockband beatles is a seperate game read the articles, you need to buy the set to play it thats how they put it

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jigokunohoono
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 4:50:17 PM
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the important thing now seemes to be the motion controllers and sonys is better even though it looks kind of ... icky

natal dose seem neat but it was some what leggy and when the man lifted his foot the avatar spun his around and i still dont know what the bottom of its shoe looks like. that said both are still in development and sonys moved right as there guy did without a second of delay and could logicly be used in any game. but natal uses your body and there are games where characters jump like 10 feet and do all sorts of spins and flips in the air stuff i cant do so the only games that it could do well is gimmicky bulls*it

which means that microsoft is legging behind the compition trying to be the next wii but why? the wii isint that good also it called me fat so im just mad it the wii has a good game here and there and the ps3 will hold me over till zelda but thats off topic

anyway yea the wii sucks xbox sucks ps3 rules all natal will fail

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questing222
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:39:12 PM
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Eco_San, you seemed to have missed the point of the rockband promo.
Ae E3 Microsoft were heavily advertising a rockband product.
Microsoft previously had a 6 month exclusivity on a rockband product.
Can you not make that connection??
Coorporate deals are not always about a big cash sum and nothing else.

I'm 100% sure Microsoft footed the bill for creating the promo, and the massive payouts for Ringo and Macca (Had to be at least $1mil each).
For those of us who spend a little more time in the real world and get news from non gaming sites, the reuniting of the remaining beatles (And Yoko) actually made real world headlines.
In every UK paper and every news station this is what made the news.
There was no mention of Final fantasy 14 or Project Natal in the papers the next day. (I looked, and was dissapointed)
This gave the product more exposure than would have been possible through a traditional advertising scheme, and would have gone some way to paying for the 6 month exclusive.
(As a side note, all of the rockband/beatles articles stated that the beatles were reuniting to launch a new xbox 360 game, no mention of ps3 despite the game being multiplat. killer advertising for microsoft)


Also, your point about Walkman only falling off because of "Mp3 distribution" is ridiculous.
Sony were the kings of personal music devices and they just didn't get on the mp3 bandwagon quick enough. And when they did the ipods killer marketing had already blown them out of the water.
They focused more on the minidisc format which had a very short life.

Everyone here agrees sony products are fantastic, and above the competition in most areas.
Everyone here will also agree though, That Sony's marketing and pricing sucks. And thats why playstation has fallen behind.

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Esco_san
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:06:04 PM

firstly as i said RB2 and RB-BEATLES two different games entirely. you are making a connection that doesnt exist. i wish i could find the article where it states that rockband beatles will have all new peripherals and is seperate from any other RB games. plus no where in th microsoft conference was it provided the word RB-BEATLES exclusive to 360 just world premiere of the game with paid star appearances. not doubting sony's marketing blunders but u really miss the truth.
1. ur opinion of a RB business tie in is valid but a little off should we make that the reason sony showed AC2... their once exclusive deal which vanished due to xbox 360 popularity, can you see how rediculous that sounds?
2. sony marketing is bad but in abad economy worldwide and a "failure" of a system to sell over 10 million consoles a year is succesful no matter how u slice it. remember sony is usually the leader at some point in most medium of entertainment distribution but have a history of not progressing unless pushed, and god bless microsoft for knocking them off a cliff and see games evovled on a connective scale. ipod did the same with walkman since it was like sony expected cd's to live forever as did ninty with cartridges. I truly think no matter how ps3 advertises their price is the hinder but it's not over priced, a game console that's so powerful that originally sony had a linux OS to make ps3 a home cpu as well. ps3 is like a clearance priced alienware all this was said or marketed before the console hit stores. but no matter it seems to you sony can't survive as the underdog... but mark my words as E3 showed games talk and when the all cried out price cut comes all nay sayers will be buying

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BikerSaint
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 11:58:50 PM
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At least 23 million PS3's sold so far, and in oly about 2 years?
Then that's not too shabby of a failure I'd say!!!!

And in the end, the PS3 will take the same sales track as the PS1 did, starting slow & building momentum until it's sitting on the top of the consoles charts.
And in the same exact way that the PS2 did!
And in the same exact way that the PS3 will!

The glorious history of Sony's innovative consoles will "ALWAYS" continue to repeat itself, over & over & over, again & again, and again!!!

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BooyakaBerger
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:31:41 PM
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to everyone defending the xbox here:

while some of the posters here are mature... most are hateful creatures who no matter what is said, if it has a positive outlook on the xbox they will rave about how you are a fanboy

but on the subject of hating people i could not stand that woman who did most nintendo's conference.

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BikerSaint
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 8:30:04 PM
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@BooyakaBerger,

Just an lil FYI here.....
I'm not a fanboy and I WILL defend MS & Ninty whenever I think they have something great to look forward.

Unfortunetly for the most part after watching this years E3, I have found it hard to do so.

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BooyakaBerger
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 9:18:12 PM
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^which is why i say most. you have presented yourself in a mature manner and seem to respect others views while stating your own

plus most people will say that MS had maybe 2 good looking things at E3, while you said u were interested in 6, which is a fair number for the press conference + w/e else u saw of the show

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crawdaddy
Tuesday, June 09, 2009 @ 11:11:23 AM
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I agree with BikerSaint. I myself find good in all game systems, and enjoy playing different systems. Each sytem has good points and bad points. I try to be objective about all systems. I prefer my ps3, and am not a fanboy of any system, but I will also defend against a bunch of idiot fanboys bashing any system just because they can. Just point out the good in your system of choice, and quit bashing other systems. It usually just makes you sound like an idiot fanboy when you do.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 09, 2009 @ 2:35:20 PM
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@ Crawdaddy
"AMEN to that."

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