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Full PS2 Backwards Compatibility To Return To PlayStation 3?

Everyone is talking about the need for a PlayStation 3 price cut, but let's not forget that Sony loyalists have been craving another feature for the past few years...

It was included in the original 60GB PS3 machine that launched back in late 2006 in North America, but it was the last console to boast the graphics synthesizer chip that emulated 99% of all PS2 software. The next PS3 switched to emulation and only handled a certain percentage of PS2 software and as it stands now, the standard 80GB PS3 doesn't support PS2 games at all. However, Sony just got finished saying at their E3 press conference that they'll continue to produce their last-generation machine and according titles as long as its relevant in the marketplace, so the call for PS3s to play PS2 games hasn't died. So with all this talk of a potential slimming of the PS3, might they also re-institute what that lacking Emotion Engine did? What if the cell processor could finally support the latter? Well, according to a US patent filed by Sony, this may no longer be a dream. The schematics you find via that link represent the evidence: Figure 4 is "an example of a host system based on a cell processor that may be configured to emulate the target system." The target system in this case is Figure 3B; the Emotion Engine.

So, what do you think? Has Sony finally decided to listen to all the fan demand for the re-implementation of backwards compatibility for PS2 software? Will the new PS3s - slim or not - have the capability the very first systems had? It now seems likely. We'll definitely keep an eye on this and keep you up-to-date...

6/29/2009 Ben Dutka

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Zemus101
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:36:00 PM
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It's so strange, whenever I hear about anyone having a b/c PS3 it's the 60gb one, but ...although mine is currently being shipped off to Sony for repairs, mine was an 80gb with b/c. Strange... maybe there was just a short supply of them or something.

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King James
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:40:01 PM

Nothing strange about that. The 1st 80gb Skus in 2007 had the emulator. The last PS3 to do it was the MGS4 bundle.

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Karosso
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:43:22 PM

Not really, the 80GB that came with MGS4 bundle and the 80GB before that did Partial Emulation. It has some of the hardware to emulate the PS2 and whatever else it lacks on hardware it emulates via software.
My 80GB MGS4 edition so far has played everything I have thrown at it, and I do still play quite a lot PS2 games on it.
Most likely you were one of the lucky ones that got the 80GB with BC.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 2:06:43 AM

My 60 gb just took a dump on me. 80010514. Blagh! Cost me a 150 bucks. If this is true. Ill buy this one.

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King James
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:38:37 PM
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I still use my PS3 (original 20GB sku) for PS2 games so there are ppl out there that want it. And just to add, playing games like SOTC, GoW2, and FF12 support progressive scan. I never had a HDTV back in those days, so to play games like that again on my HDTV in progressive scan...give it a whole other experience.

Wouldn't it be cool if Sony could do this with a firmware update?

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Karosso
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:46:36 PM

Hey King, that is exactly what I did, plays SotC in full Progressive scan glory with widescreen support on my HD TV.
GoW1, 2 looked amazing and I'm happy I waited to play those games after getting my PS3 and HD TV!

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King James
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 10:08:54 PM

I was surprised how well they ran on the 3.

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xnonsuchx
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 11:09:33 PM

As long as they can do full software PS2 emulation, then yes, it could done on ALL PS3s sold via a FW update. Theoretically, the PS3 should be powerful enough to do it (if you buy the 40X faster than PS2 stat for the PS3), but unless it's close to perfect, it could be more of a headache than a blessing, which is probably why they dropped it in the first place.

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souljah92
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 1:37:27 AM

umm...what's progressive scan? i've seen the option on god of war 2 but i have no idea what it does.

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King James
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 1:21:07 PM

in "1080p" the p stands for progressive scan.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 10:45:46 PM

Progressive scan is where the entire image is sent with each frame. Interlaced images are sent as two half frames each with half the lines - think in terms of the odd lines and then the even lines being sent on alternate clock ticks at 60 ticks a second. Every second clock tick, the two halves are merged into a single image - so called de-interlacing.

With the progressive scan, every line of the image is sent with every frame so unlike interlaced images, each clock tick a full image is sent, and builds line by line - progressively, without having to be merged with another image.

Normally in fast moving video, progressive scan will look far sharper and clearer. Interlaced video sources tend to have slightly smudged edges, and with poor de-interlacing you can see tearing where the individual lines are visibly shearing apart as part of the image visibly moves faster than the other.

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Superman915
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:39:59 PM
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it'd be great to replay San Andreas, Black, and SOTC, but I won't hold my breath.

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Karosso
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:54:36 PM

Not sure about San Adreas, Black looks OK and SotC looks great, it natively suports widescreen and progressive scan so it looks better than playing it on a regular TV.
Just as a side note, many PS2 titles did support progressive scan and Widescreen on the PS2 itself, so if you had it hooked correctly to a HD TV it looked amazing. Try Prince of Persia:SoT and GoW1 and 2.

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therabbitkinge
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:47:45 PM
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Im not holding my breath because a firmware update is unlikely because I don't see them giving away what cost them so much to ass before for free although man I would love to throw my old ps2 fighters on my 80gig.

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Qwarktast1c
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 10:13:26 PM

haha i noticed where you said there was a typo

oh well it's all good, so no worries

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BigBoss4ever
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:49:20 PM
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if it is true, then it is such a rip-off for gamers who purchased the PS3 40G,80G,160G consoles during the period from the discontinued b/c consoles to the new consoles with new emotion engines.

to make this fair, sony should refund all the consoles without b/c and replace them with the new consoles that have the emotion engines.



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King James
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 10:10:46 PM

ummm...no.

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Qwarktast1c
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 10:11:12 PM

that would probably cost more than M$'s big fiasco with the 360

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spiderboi
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 11:02:27 PM

yeah probably not. but bummer for me, i just bought my pS# and it'd suck big time if the new SKU were to have the b/c... just by a couple of months.. darn....

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xnonsuchx
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 11:15:50 PM

If this is indeed full software emulation, then ALL PS3s would be able to utilize it, not just new ones.

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Mr Bitey
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 8:55:34 AM

Yeah, it come via a firmware update.

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Hexen
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:49:21 PM
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They are probably going to add it to the slim so it can justify the $399 price tag and the current one would come down to $299;Or all of this could mean absolutely nothing and we are just reading to deep into it.

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recks1jtp
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:49:46 PM
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I still have my orig 60gb that I got on day 1, and have loved going back and playing all the Ratchet and Clank, GoW, DMC games that I missed last gen. It would be awesome for other people that are just now getting into the PS3 to experience this too, or even the upgraders from the PS2 to still have a valid library in the current generation.

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therabbitkinge
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:49:57 PM
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Sorry my key board skipped I meant "mass produce" and not "ass" please excuse and respond (^-^)

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Cunn8780
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:52:33 PM
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So is it possible for an update to be rolled out that will enable some PS2 BC for people that have PS3s with no BC? That would be awesome!Or is it just for new PS3s that will be produced in the future?

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Deleted User
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:56:54 PM
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I'm glad I have the 60 gig one, I really like being able to play PS2 games on it

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godsman
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 9:57:40 PM
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I am one of those that missed the best generation of gaming (PS2). I always hoped that BC is brought back to the PS3 so i can try what i missed.

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Superman915
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 10:03:25 PM
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i think they would make it installable for older PS3s, and included for newer versions.

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Karosso
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 10:05:33 PM
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Guys it says that the Cell processor will emulate the PS2 emotion engine, every single PS3 has a Cell in it. I am sure it should be possible on all PS3 across the board, so cool it!

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mackid1993
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 10:10:51 PM
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what they SHOULD do is release a free update, to 40, 80, and 160 gb ps3's to add some ps2 bc. then they SHOULD add on this new technology to the a slim, model, sell it for 299 and increase advertising. This is what they SHOULD do to save the PS3.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 10:15:24 PM
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Coming this Fall, mark my words.

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SnipeySnake
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 10:15:52 PM
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When i saw the title of this article, i was really happy until i saw the question mark....

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SnipeySnake
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 10:21:41 PM
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300$ slimmed down with emotion engine ps3.
200$ Very light psp 3000 with touch screen, slid text pad where the screen is, second analog stick, and removable R2 and L2 buttons and camera
( http://psp2hacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/psp2concept2ac4.jpg ).

*drools*.....

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migabyte
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 10:37:06 PM
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I don't own any PS2 games (lost them/sold them), so I am not so concerned about BC. However I would like to be able to buy some on PSN, and from what I understand they need an emulator for this. In my opinion they are sitting on a gold mine there, they should get on that, a lot of people would pick up some of those games.

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migabyte
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 10:21:58 AM

Why would anyone give me a thumb down on this? I think I know who it was...why so petty?

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BikerSaint
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 10:47:06 PM
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Well, bringing back B/C would truely be an added bonus for all those who don't already have it.


Got a couple questions for anyone in the "Tech-know" fields(such as our resident guru, Highlander).

Q1. Are there any differences in a PS2 game playing between an emulator, and the actual Emotion chip itself?????

Q2. I've heard that the emulator in those older 80 Giggers only played about 80% of the PS2 games, so is that correct that it won't or can't play the full 100% of PS2 games? And if so, then why?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 11:06:05 PM

I can tell you mine won't run Soul Calibur III, the thing is slower than hell. So yeah there's just some games it won't run. Why? Hellif I know.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 12:35:40 AM

The BC in an original 20/60GB unit is essentially the same as having a slim PS2 stuffed into the casing. The 80GB BC systems (MotorStorm bundle) use a partial software, partial hardware solution, and no original PS2 hardware is involved. The EE is fully emulated in software and the GS is partially emulated, and mostly 'replaced' by a custom chip solution that was presumably cheaper for Sony (can't see how, the PS2 is a single chip these days...)

The difference is that with the 80GB systems some high profile games - such as soul Calibur III - don't work well, or at all. The problem is that some really good developers used the GS hardware in ways that are not standard. These non-standard methods, sometimes exploiting hidden functions or undocumented features of the GS often helped performance greatly. However the software emulation of the GS is based on the specifications and PS2 platform specs. Many of these hidden features or shortcuts are not emulated, and so some games will fail to run, or run with issues - such as poor performance.

Sony has updated the emulation several times improving it as they go. Even so the emulation only covers 80-85% of all PS2 games.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 11:04:48 PM
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I've got the 80 gig Motorstorm bundle with software B/c and so far I've only got one game it won't run. Sony's history of listening to their fans is the only thing that makes me think this might be for real. Hang in there guys, it'll happen. On a sidenote, it's just a good idea because I don't wanna buy more memory cards for my PS2 and that sucker is full. I'm sure many people are in the same boat. Delete my saves? are you crazy?

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Kevadu
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 12:04:44 AM
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I wouldn't read too much into patents. At best it means their investigating the possibility. It's standard practice at large companies like Sony to patent anything that's even potentially useful, whether you end up using it or not.

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mustang750r
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 12:16:09 AM
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This is sweet, maybe when they release the firmware or however they plan to release this I'll buy another PS3 so like that my family can stop bugging about watching movies or playing PS2 games.

I noticed a couple of people saying that the progressive setting is "better." Well I beg to differ. If you set the upscale on the picture looks more smoother and defined than opposed to having the standard 480p on. I've tested this on a few of my games like GoW and the picture looks beautiful.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 12:27:18 AM
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Ah, late to the party I am....

Alright, here goes.

The Cell BE already emulates the Emotion Engine, and in fact does a fairly excellent job of it too. It's been doing it for about two years, and every BC system sold in Europe and all the 80GB BC systems sold elsewhere has it built in.

The problem chip for a fully software backwards compatible solution in software isn't the EE, it's the Graphic Synthesizer.

The Cell is almost tailor made to emulate the EE since the EE features a single general purpose core and two math units which the SPEs on the Cell are well suited to emulate. So emulating the EE on the cell is relatively straight forward, of course the trick is to do it sufficiently fast enough that the emulation can execute the same millions of instructions a second that the EE processor itself can do.

The original 20GB and 60GB systems include the entire PS2 chipset resulting in a backwards compatibility that matches the slim PS2.

When Sony brought the original 80GB units with backwards compatibility they did away with the Emotion engine and Graphics Synthesizer chipset and replaced it with a software emulation of the EE and a partial emulation of the GS along with a specially designed custom chip that emulates the functions of the GS that couldn't easily be emulated by software.

The compatibility in the 80GB units has improved greatly since it was originally launched. When it first arrived the compatibility was something like 80% of all PS2 games ever released, but there were many key titles that didn't work. However firmware updates have improved the compatibility of that emulation. I don't know the compatibility figure now, but I do know that there are fewer high profile titles that don't work, and fewer games that have glitches.

When Sony yanked the BC solution completely in a fit of pointless cost cutting, everyone expected that they would make good on their stated intent of doing BC completely in software. They haven't done it yet, although lots of people remain hopeful.

The biggest hurdle is that the GS chip is a tad on the unique side, and has a very, very wide data bus in it that results in peak bandwidth (how fast it can shunt data around from place to place) that is difficult for a software emulation to match. The Cell and RSX have hardware internally that is capable of handling that requirement, however it's difficult to balance that requirement with the rest of the emulation. Many of the online articles you can find on the topic talk in depth about this, and it seems like it's a hurdle that may not be overcome. However there are other methods, for example emulating the graphics of the PS2 at a software level, and not simply emulating the hardware.

Some point to PC based emulation as an example and say that Sony must be able to do it. One thing to remember is that even with all the ridiculous GPU hardware and the latest quad core systems from Intel, there is no PS2 emulation on PC that plays more than a handful of games in anything like real time. Even the best PC based emulation is incompatible with or unable to run, more than 90% of PS2 games.

I'm not sure when this patent is from, the linked article didn't contain a patent number, but this seems suspiciously like one of the early Cell patents.

It's entirely possible that Sony has solved the technical problems with the GS emulation, they have had the time to work on it, and heaven knows that no one else knows the PS2 better than they do. Personally I think that either they have solved it, or they know how, and eventually PS2 compatibility will arrive via a PSN downloadable application that they'll charge something like $20 for. The new emulation will more than likely be able to play downloadable PS2 games as well as PS2 games on DVD. This is pure speculation on my part, but it makes the most sense as that way Sony can transition not only PS1 and PSP games to PSN, but also the very lucrative PS2 library. It makes too much sense for it not to be on the agenda at some time.

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Xbox_Killer
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 1:08:57 AM

So what your saying is that my 80gb MotorStorm bundle doesn't have the PS2 chipset in it? I thought it did.

Thanks for the info.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 1:31:51 AM

The only PS3s with hardware PS2 support were the original launch PS3s.


BTW Highlander I think you should talk to Ben about possibly writing some articles. You not only know what your talking about but you take the time to explain it to us common folk.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 2:34:02 AM

@LV

Thanks. Ben is a far, far better writer than I.

Besides, I'm happy to contribute from the peanut gallery when I have the time. Less pressure and no deadlines. Plus when I'm wrong about something, the worst that happens is I have to apologize for my error.

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CH1N00K
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 8:13:35 AM

Yeah, thanks for the info. I thought my 80 gigger had the chipset to, although I did notice that a few games are a little glitchy sometimes. Any FMV sequence in GT4 always seems to be a little off.

Either way though, I'm still loving it, and it's good to go back and play the classics once in a while, but if I didn't have that option? There's still lots of PS3 games that keep me entertained.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 10:05:18 AM

The 80GB systems do have some hardware built into them, but it's not the EE chip, or the original GS chip. It's more of a helper chip for the GS emulation, with the EE done completely in software. That's why the compatibility of the 80GB systems is different from the 20/60GB units.

Way, way, way back...Sony said that they wanted to do PS2 and PS1 compatibility in software without the use of hardware, but the software only PS2 compatibility wasn't ready when the PS3 was nearing launch. So Sony went with the option of including the PS2 chip set on the PS3 motherboard. It's not a very elegant solution and does add cost and complexity. The 80GB systems were a step in the direction of software based PS2 compatibility, but it wasn't as good as hardware, and it still included some hardware, and so there was still some additional complexity and cost. Once that hardware was removed, PS2 compatibility could only be provided through software.

The full software based PS2 emulation either isn't ready, or Sony isn't ready to release it. For everyone with 40/80/160GB PS3s that do not have any PS2 hardware at all (not even the helper chip). You need to understand that a fully software based PS2 emulator *would* work just as well for you as any other PS3 model, so don't worry. So long as PS2 compatibility is provided through software *ALL* PS3 models are are covered.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 1:46:58 AM
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3 "Harrah's" for highlander!

He's always coming through in the clutch when this non-techie bonehead only holds a vowel, but still hasn't any clue.

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Vivi_Gamer
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 2:22:42 AM
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Well i used to have a PS3, but then it stopped reading all the discs, I'm not getting a new PS3 for a while (Start Uni this year o.0) but if they did make it compatible like my old 60GB that would probaly encourage me enough.

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neostorm
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 2:30:31 AM
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this could be good news for most ppl,i for one still use a couple of ps2 games i was very excited when i found out the ps3 was going to support this feature..i mean why wouldnt it..im an old skool ps veteren,ive been online since it got turned on..some of you would proberbly remember one of the first games to come out online,a game called hardware online arena,it was a flop at first not selling many copies,then sony released it for free with the network adaptor,then it became very popular,so when the ps3 came out i sold my ps2 thinking i was gonna play my favourite game on my shiny new monster,only to find out it doesnt bloody work on it,i was gutted.im still not giving up hope though,i have faith

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TEG3SH
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 2:56:44 AM
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@highlander
u really really really know what u're talking about man
thanks for all the clarification mate

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RustEDalex
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 6:07:35 AM
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I saw on another site that this emulation might just be so we can be able to download ps2 games from the psn which would be sweet, but it would be sweeter to be able to play the actual ps2 disk

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www
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 7:47:14 AM
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Wouldn't be surprised, heck the "Memory Card Utility (PS/PS2)" still shows under GAME in the XMB on the 80GB system. This showed me a long time ago that Sony were working on it but aren't sure enough, but on the flip side, i don't think am really interested in ps2 games.

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Gone
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 8:32:06 AM
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I am starting to run out of room for all these PS3s. I am just happy that all of them still work (cough 3fixme).

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slayerkillemall
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 8:47:44 AM
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personally,i dont have a problem either way it goes,as i have 2 ps1,2 ps2(slim and fattie),and my 80g ps3,and have em all connected to my monitor,and still play my large collection of games.

although it be nice to retire the hardware and be able to play all on my ps3,i doubt it would happen anytime soon,maybe after 2010 ....

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Ricochet
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 9:03:01 AM
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PLEASE, a backward compatibility issue on the PS2 will really help with the console. If the PS2 could be emulated and it runs heavy on the CPU, than the PS3's Cell will do wonders. Either that, or they could port other PS2 games into the Blu-ray format ala "Greatest Hits" collection.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 10:09:46 AM

Agreed, putting PS2 compatibility back into the PS3 through software would be an instant hit. I've discussed this many times with people who have said that PS2 compatibility would make it easier to justify upgrading, since the PS3 would play everything. But they hold back because the PS2 still plays a lot of their games, and they are still buying games for it.

Removing the PS2 BC hardware from the PS3 may have saved approximately $30 per unit, but it cost them (Sony) sales and was a PR disaster when it was done.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 9:10:47 AM
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I run Pcsx2 on my computer and I must say it's amazing. Playing FFX and FFXII in high def is yummy.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 10:33:05 AM

Here's my problem with that emulator.

There definition of playable is;
"You can get from 'new game' to 'end credits'. This is regardless of FPS, it simply means you could with a great deal of patience, complete the game! eg: Slow, but stable!"

Just over 50% of titles they list are classified as 'playable'. Which could mean anything from a couple of frames per second to running at the original frame rate. No where on the compatibility list for 'playable' games do they make claims regarding how many games play at the original speed.

There are a dedicated bunch of people working on that emulator, but even with well configured PCs most 'playable' games seem to run slow, and require considerable reconfiguration of the emulator to run at all.

For an emulator to be useful on the PS3 it has to simply work, without having to be reconfigured every time. It has to play games at the original frame rates, or not at all. I personally find it bogus to claim a game is playable when it's not running at anything like the original frame rate, or has regular glitches that were not present when the game was played on the PS2.

That's not to say this emulation isn't quite an achievement, it's just not ready for prime time. The very fact that with all the hardware resources of modern PCs this emulator still can't do the job should be a good illustration of just how hard it actually is.

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Alienange
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 12:20:11 PM

What TheHighlander said and add "it sucks to sit at a desk to play games."

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 5:21:12 PM

@Alienange

I don't sit at the desk. I sit on my comfy couch and play using my wireless 360 controller while viewing the game on a 52 inch plasma.


Dumb-ass

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 5:23:08 PM

@Highlander


I didn't mention it to imply it's what the PS3 should utilize nor do I think it's perfect. It's better than nothing though and I've been able to play a majority of my PS2 collection with far better graphics and with a wireless controller. I agree it isn't for the average joe as it can be quite technical.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 5:38:53 PM

@LV,

Yep, but it's still quite an achievement and does show that something can be done. I just wish I had a PC with enough grunt to run it.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 5:59:32 PM

I suggest you build your own. It's really easy after the first time and you save a ton.

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Ricochet
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 7:16:11 PM

The only reason why I use the PS2 emulator is because I want to play the games I was unable to, like MGS 3: Snake eater (Best MGS EVER), and Shadow of the Colossus although the frame-rates are extremely poor (SOC was acceptable though).

I'd buy a PS3 60GB version (Asia version), problem is that it's also "region" based meaning that I can't play US or PAL PS2 games, which would suck.

Backwards compatibility is needed as games like GOW3, MGS4, The last Guardian needs some background knowledge before these games can be truly appreciated unfortunately most of those games are PS2 based and I can't find any online retailers that sells these games that will ship internationally.

Just in case you haven't noticed, playstation.com is having a GOW survey if fans are willing to have GOW 1 & 2 in BLU-RAY bundled with GOW 3. I know I do!

Last edited by Ricochet on 6/30/2009 7:16:44 PM

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 10:48:00 PM

The PC I'm using now is one I built, which is why it's still usable nearly four years after it was built. I keep meaning to re-built. I think that now i7 has mainstreamed it might be time. But I was never going to do a build for Vista, I'll wait and see how Win 7 looks before deciding.

Yeah, I know, Linux....sounds too much like work...

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 1:06:00 AM

I preordered Windows7 off newegg for only 50 bux last weekend. I enjoy the odds and ends that comes with a new operating system.

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Danny007
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 9:45:57 AM
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There is no reason why it shouldn't have backwards compatibility.

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Alienange
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 12:17:54 PM
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"a host system based on a cell processor that may be configured to emulate the target system" (aka Emotion Engine)

If that goes through then all PS3s will get it as a dlc/firmware update. That would be a dream for me. Love my ps1,ps2,ps3 games. All on one system? Do it Sony dooo iiiiit!

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Russell Burrows
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 1:06:37 PM
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A problem also used to be the RAM consumed by the PS3 operating system.
Recent events have the PS3 Operating System going to lower and lower RAM needs.

Hence.
It becomes easier to dedicate freed system resources to other tasks like emulation.

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RadioHeader
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 3:38:23 PM
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Do it for me, Sony. I still haven't played GOW 1 or 2, or that game where you're on the horse and you fight the big monster things.

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twenty8nine
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 11:39:18 PM
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If you ever wonder if the people really do want the B/C PS3, just look at how much the price of them is jacked online where you can buy it. Initially, my PS3 would have been a shiny paperweight if it didn't have B/C.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 4:33:01 AM
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I work at EB Games here in Oz, and many people who come in considering buying a PS3 all ask the same thing:

"Can it play my old PS2 games?"

I sadly say no, and they wind up buying a Wii.

THIS STATEMENT IS A WAKE-UP CALL SONY!!!!
KEEP B/C IN ALL CONSOLES FROM NOW ON OR YOU WILL LOSE POTENTIAL SALES!!!!
AND PUT B/C IN ALL PS3'S TO SELL MORE CONSOLES!!!

Sorry to use all caps like that, but I need this to get Sony's attention. They have lost so many PS3 sales just because it can't play PS2 games!!! They don't seem to realise just how important this is!!!!

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Dingodial
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 1:35:42 PM
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Sony is a great company, but sometimes they make the dumbest decisions. Take these for example:

1. Who they hire for their commercial team
2. Taking b/c out of the PS3 when they could have just used a hard drive with less memory (to cut production cost)
3. creating a netbook that they think people are willing to pay $900 for

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stevev363
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 4:55:56 PM
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I'm still not buying a ps3 untill A) they bring back backwards compatibility or B) the next final fantasy is released. Both are a must for me, better if the system is slimmer and cheaper!

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denny
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 6:59:36 PM
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i would love see the new ps3 come with two
hdmi output so can hook one to the tv and the other one to your high end receiver so you don"t have to turn on your high end receiver
all the time to watch tv that would be reel
nice sony please.


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shootu
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 12:45:27 AM
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Wow I didnt know sony took out the b/c. I have never had a problem playing any PS2 games on my PS3 and the look decent on a 1080p LCD. No plasma junk! I hope Sony brings it back so everyone can enjoy it too.

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Lordnicon
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 10:17:56 AM
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Well as we can all see, this is a pretty big issue by looking at all of these posts. Its probably bigger than most people imagine. I purposely sought out a 60gig second hand so that i could hold on to my library without relying on my dying ps2 (it still works but like most ps2's it takes a while to read certain disks sometimes). I still like the DualShock2 better for fighting games so ill use it still.

Backwards compatibility is great and I dont think sony would take a huge decline in ps classic game sales simply because many people either dont have their old ps1 games or they dont always work properly and as of now, nobody is selling ps2 games via the psn and I dont think they will.

Anyway, pardon my rambling but B/C is a must for me and im sure there are tons of other people that would like to enjoy it.

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