Full PS2 B/C For PS3 Via Firmware Update "In Next Few Weeks?"

jaybiv
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 9:33:41 PM
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If this is true, congrats to the non-BC owners!

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eLLeJuss
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 9:57:53 PM

hurray for my 40 gb ps3! hurray!

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shindelion
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 9:36:05 PM
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This is Indeed great news. A lot of people i know will not pick up a PS3 because of not being able to play their old games. If true this might lead in a sale spike.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 11:31:52 PM

well if they already have ps2's to play their old games why does it matter about their ps3's?

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Ricochet
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 3:06:20 AM

To save up space plus the old PS2 can be kept as a souvenir or sold. Besides, I gave away my PS2 because I thought all PS3's will have backwards compatibility. I was sadly mistaken but I hope this so-called "update" will bring me peace.

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spiderboi
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 4:40:57 AM

Hooray for me! My PS2 just hit the fritz, and i was supposed to look for the old SKU with b/c, though couldn't hold off buying anymore. Hoping this isn't just a rumor...

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 9:41:30 AM

@Legendary

not only does PS2 B/C save space the PS2 doesn't support true HD. PS2 in 1080p? Yes please.

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Phoelix
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 9:38:45 PM
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I hope so, but that is pretty sketch.

I don't think this one will be true. Some random German website getting info from a Sony employee? I doubt it.

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www
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 6:54:15 AM

Why? Germans aren't fit to receive info from Sony?

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 9:54:31 PM
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WARNING: That damned site uses pop-up ads, including a porn one, and even popped up a couple after I left the site!

So if you clicked on it too, I'd advise you to do an anti-virus & spyware scan ASAP just to be on the safe side.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 9:59:27 PM

Yeah, I've removed the link from the story.

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ffrulez
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 12:16:18 AM

Sounds like an unreliable site

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BikerSaint
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 2:52:09 PM

Wow, I even got a thumbs down for warning people about spyware on that site?
Does your mama even know what a huge pathetic A-hole of a loser you must really be????????

And here's a little FYI for ya, I really don't give a flying f*ck if you like me or not, so give me all the thumbs down you want.

Chew on that, bi*ch!!!!!

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Alienange
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 12:00:42 PM

Will the real "thumb downer" please stand up.

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Zet
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 9:55:24 PM
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sounds awesome, also sounds very fishy, is that something you could even do with a firmware update?

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Victor321
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 9:57:31 PM
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Hmm, this also somewhat connects with the announcement of a Price Drop for the PS2, when it happened a few months back.

Although Sony said that the price drop happened because they still support their 10 year life cycle philosophy for the PS2 and that demand is still there for the console, I can infer that from a business standpoint, another reason they can issue a price drop is to get as much more PS2s in houses as much as possible before Sony feels it is the right time to move on from physically producing PS2s, and just incorporate PS2 backwards-compatibility to the PS3 by whatever means they can.

Last edited by Victor321 on 7/1/2009 9:58:06 PM

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Jawknee
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 9:38:14 AM

Eh, FFXII supports wide screen display and as far as I can tell image looks upscaled to me.

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Danny007
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 10:02:58 PM
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I kinda don't want a ps3 with b/c because then my ps2 would go to waste just like my ps1, but whatever.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 10:18:05 PM

Ps2 in 1080p.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 11:30:55 PM

just because it's upscaled doesn't make great

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fluffer nutter
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 2:40:52 AM

But, having these games upscaled and viewable on a large HDTV is easier on the eyes.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 9:54:35 AM

Makes it better you negative Nancy. FFXII in 1080p is awesome.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 9:08:18 PM

Don't know what you're talking about but it's not 1080p. Just because it says, all it doing is stretching the pixels to fit and match. It's not True 1080p anything. That's why it's somewhat disproportional sometimes.

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Alienange
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 12:04:56 PM

@ LegendaryWolfeh - Give up... some people just don't get it.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 10:15:44 PM
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Oh man. My 60gb just died. Maybe I shouldn't have paid to get it fixed.

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Ultimadream
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 2:01:47 AM

Yup my 60GB died recently to, its sitting on my desk underneath my laptop, im not sure what to do with it :(, I just stopped reading discs. i might see if i can in get it fixed but you do have to ask whats the point, it'll probaly f'up again in a few months.

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RustEDalex
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 5:55:06 AM

@ultima off topic I don't mean to be a p-hole but your avatar scares the p out of me

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www
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 6:58:01 AM

Ultima, i know.... cause your going to college you don't wanna fix it or get a new ps3 for that matter,right?

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 10:27:36 AM

Ultima, apparenty it's jus a falty blue Ray drive. Sony is replacing mine with a new one. I don't mind paying to fix it. I'm sure it will be fine after the repairs. If i were you I'd just get it fixed. Got almost 3 years of constant use out of it before I had problems.

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Ultimadream
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 10:36:24 AM

Well to be honest im a bit grouchy i wont get to play Heavy Rain, i was pretty hyped for that. If i could afford it i would, but i just spent alot on a filming project and now saving for Uni this year, so its an impossibility. I have been tempted to buy a B-R Drive of Ebay, but its not as simple as disconnecting ther B-R and replacing it, you have to dismantle the motherboard and put it in the new one, plus a B-R is around £70 - £100 on its own.

I guess i'll just get a PS2, my friend bought his round the other day and it looks ok on my 26inch TV.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 11:15:13 AM

Aah yes. Priorities are a bitch.

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Swavey
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 10:26:43 PM
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well the ps3 i won on this site will enjoy this little update ;)

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Alienange
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 8:57:10 AM

Not sure why someone would thumb you down for having won something. I still remember the day you won it... way to go and let's hope b/c comes back for all ps3 owners.

Balanced the thumb scale for you too.

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www
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 4:23:25 PM

Alienage True, i guess we have some real jealous guys here, i wonder how they'll cope if they see their girl with another man...

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kiwami_nemesis
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 10:33:50 PM
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oh that would be great my ps2 died & I'm not spending money on another one. but i still want to play a few sp2 games

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NoSmokingBandit
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 10:37:42 PM
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I just hope they get BC back so they can refine their emulator and hopefully get ps2 compatibility on the PSP2. Its a long shot, but i can hope.
They should develop a dual-core EE chip and drop it in the psp2. One core for running the ps2 games and the other for emulating whatever else. It would make for kick-ass psp2 games too.
But i digress.

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Sir Shak
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 10:38:30 PM
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I hope it's true because I really want to play SOTC and the GoW games .

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Karosso
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 10:45:01 PM

Those two games were the first I played when I got my PS3 and HD TV, looks amazing!

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Karosso
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 10:43:33 PM
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WOW! If it comes true, Sony is going to steamroll the competition this year.
A $299 PS3 Slim with B/C, Uncharted2, GoW3, GT5, MAG, Heavy Rain and so on. This would send their sales to the moon.
Hope it comes true and hope Sony start making some serious $ with the PS3.
Go SONY!!!

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Turbey
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 2:49:38 PM

Think Heavy Rain is due in 2010. At least that was what I heard!

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newchef
Saturday, July 04, 2009 @ 1:15:15 AM

same with GoW3 but it rly doesnt matter ps3 still rocks

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 10:43:33 PM
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This sounds pretty fishy to me. What gives?

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Bugzbunny109
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 10:47:44 PM
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Hey John Shepard: You write just like Ben Dutka. I was suprised to find your name at the bottom of the article. Anyways, keep on the hard work!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 11:23:35 PM

I notice that too...hmm more fishiness...

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Alienange
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 11:46:32 PM

"You can't handle the truth!"

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Bugzbunny109
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 7:54:16 AM

Oh no! Ben has two lives- one as John Shepard, and one as Ben Dutka! I can't take it! There must only be one, on way or another. *Cracks evil smile*

Last edited by Bugzbunny109 on 7/2/2009 7:54:47 AM

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Bugzbunny109
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 10:49:40 PM
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It is highly unlikely that Sony will introduce BC, in a Firmware update. It just doesn't sound right to me. But who knows?

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Zaben
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 10:56:17 PM
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I will love it if this is true.

But I doubt it.

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Zi3kEN
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 11:04:29 PM
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yehey.. i will be able to play Persona 3 and Persona 4 again!! on my 40gb (upgraded to 250gb) PS3!! YAHOOOOO^^

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Alienange
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 11:11:06 PM
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I want this to be true.

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 11:28:18 PM
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And no ps1 BC?

This is bull

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Alienange
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 11:44:56 PM

Huh?

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ffrulez
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 12:14:49 AM

PS3 can already handle PS1 games!

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Soultaker
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 1:25:09 AM

ALL ps3s have ps1 bc from what i understand

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Scarecrow
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 6:38:29 AM

Oh lol...
That's right since we can all buy ps1 games on the PSN store ahem

Sorry 'bout that, I keep thinking that the 60GB is the only one with the ability to play both lol

I feel like such a n00b...

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www
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 7:00:19 AM

Scarecrow, the new 40GBs and 80GBs can actually play ps1 discs not just downloaded ones from the ps store.

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Alienange
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 8:58:49 AM

Which is why I haven't bought FFVII off the PSN. I've got the original for PS1. Still, disc swapping kinda sux and I'm very tempted to get it anyways.

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Belgaran
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 @ 11:37:08 PM
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If this is true it will be great. My PS2 is pne of the original release models. I'm starting to worry it won't last much longer. I already have problems with a couple games. This would be great for me.

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Fatcat3788
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 12:07:12 AM
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HAHA I love the picture for this article. Hilarious!

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www
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 7:02:11 AM

Lol i didn't actually notice it

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ffrulez
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 12:14:25 AM
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That would be awesome, but it's really just... unrealistic. It is possible, but Sony has said several times that they dont want to do it

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Fane1024
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 4:14:54 AM

I could be wrong, but I don't think Sony has ever said they don't want to offer BC again. They did spin the decision to remove it, but I think any comments about how BC hurts PS2 sales or how Sony wants to charge for BC or downloadable PS2 games (rather than letting discs work) are supposition.

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ffrulez
Saturday, July 04, 2009 @ 3:53:01 AM

Sony has denied backwards compatibility countless times. You can find several denials on this website even
ps3-news/1963(dot)html
ps3-news/3426(dot)html

Last edited by ffrulez on 7/4/2009 3:57:06 AM

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TheHighlander
Monday, July 06, 2009 @ 4:21:15 PM

Sony has stated, and is on record that they intended a software based emulation solution from the gtet go, but it wasn't ready so they went with the hardware. When the hardware was deemed to expensive, it was removed all together. The half and half solution found in Euro 60GB systems and the 80GB systems with BC was implemented once Sony had succeeded in emulating the EE and partially emulating the GS. However they changed their strategy in the hope of driving PS3 game sales. It was never stated that they wouldn't ever re-introduce BC to the PS3. It simply wasn't their priority, that has kinda remained the company line since.

There's nothing to stop Sony doing this since they own all the designs and copyrights connected with implementing the PS2 in software, the technical issues are purely associated with solving the performance of the GS emulation.

It's totally logical to restore the BC through firmware (or through a PSN downloadable application) at this time since the PS2 is at the end of life. It's still in manufacture - yes, but it's definitely at the end of it's life. It would be a happy and logical coincidence for the PS3 to hit it's price sweetspot - $299 - this fall, for the slim PS3 to arrive this fall, for PS2 compatibility to be restored this fall and for the incoming wave of exclusives for the PS3 to drive things through fall, winter and into the Spring of 2010. It makes a lot of sense since the $299 pricepoint should be the one that encourages PS2 owners to upgrade, and putting PS2 compatibility back into the PS3 box would facilitate a lot of PS2 owners who are holding back.

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BigBoss4ever
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 12:38:49 AM
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its a good thing for owners with no b/c. to me, it matters not, cuz mine has it.

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Belgaran
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 12:53:27 AM
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Its not a feature I was gonna pay all that extra money for, but if they can make it happen, I'm there.

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GuernicaReborn
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 1:31:30 AM
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So what about those of us with the 60GB consoles? Will BC shift to software emulation and render the EE chip useless, or will PS2 games still be run on the PS2 hardware in the PS3?

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Natalisrubbish
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 1:54:59 AM
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I'm really happy if this is actually true. It is about time they implement something like this, and it seems an intelligent business move right before the start of the holiday season. The more features to entice customers in the holiday rush the better! Everyone still has plenty of PS2 games, so it makes sense.

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DaNgerSteVe
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 1:55:13 AM
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so if this is true then its sweet, so like the guy above me said what happens to us 60gb owners

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Soultaker
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 2:24:20 AM

you have hardware on your 60gb version so i doubt its going to do anything. I have an old 80 gb model and have semi-compatibility so I would love to have full software emulation :D so i can finish god of war 2

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DXmaster1015
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 2:23:01 AM
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I really hope this is true.. if my ps2 hadn't bricked i would play my games

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JJJames
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 2:49:57 AM
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Now this would be cool. My psp is turning into a ps1 and now my ps3 maybe have the ability to play ps2 games!! Good Job!(well if its true):D

p.s Also if this is true, maybe they will start selling ps2 games on psn?!?!

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xnonsuchx
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 4:51:11 AM
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Sounds like BS to me...at least so soon. They just released FW v2.80, so if they were just about to release PS2 'BC' via a FW update, I'm pretty sure they woulda held off the 2.80 one.

As has been mentioned before, the Emotion Engine was never the big problem w/ software emulation, but the PS2 Graphic Synthesizer, and I don't recall the supposed Dec. '08 patent mentioning that.

I hate to say, but I won't believe it until I see it (or at least a valid Sony PR saying it's coming). Luckily, I have an original 60GB PS3 w/ a 4-year warranty!

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NoSmokingBandit
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 7:30:59 AM

The 3.0 update is on the horizon, and apparently its going to be a huge update. If theres any chance to get ps2 b/c it would be 3.0

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RustEDalex
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 6:04:00 AM
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this seems possible that the ps2 emulator might come in the form of a firmware update since most emulators are not that huge in memory size.

I think that you don't really need a ps2 emulator to run a downloaded ps2 game since capcom releasing MvC2 and its not even the ps2 version its the dreamcast version, all they need to do is make a few adjustment to make it work on the ps3

Last edited by RustEDalex on 7/2/2009 6:13:24 AM

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Beamboom
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 6:47:10 AM
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My gutfeeling tells me that there might be something about these rumors, especially since they've publicly announced that ps2 will be supported "as long as there is a market for it". And it makes sense to add it to the slim version.

However, in my opionon there's no way they will release the "new" ps3 this month, august sounds a tad too early as well. If I had to put my money down I'd go for sept/oct. Closer to the xmas sales.

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www
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 7:05:18 AM
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Well i really don't have much time to play some of my ps3 games let alone go back to ps2.

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King James
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 8:26:26 AM
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That picture is funny.

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therabbitkinge
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 8:31:02 AM
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Chances are its a possibility they're willing to explore as the PS2's sales diminish I mean sony has said they will sell PS2's until they stop selling well and maybe the patent and said rumors are just in preparation for just an event and if its true (the date of release because this is very possible) then it'll only take place after PS2's sales cease to be beneficial to sony at all (that's my take on it anyway.) Replies?

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PSX
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 8:43:27 AM
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Now I don't feel so bad about not buying the 60 GIG PS3 when it came out. Now I can finally get a chance to play Shadow of the Colossus, I had never heard about this game until Ben mention it.

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Jonesy555
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 11:54:47 AM

You're either very young and SotC was before your time...or you were living under a rock for some time...

Or you could have honestly never heard of it, but w/e.

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PSX
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 3:13:09 PM

Rock

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MornelitheVT
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 8:54:41 AM
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I still prefer my 60g ;)

Morne

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 10:21:29 AM

Dude you were in that GearCrunch site tearing those Valve lovers a new a-hole weren't you?

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zee
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 9:08:18 AM
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"Then again, you never can tell when an especially huge announcement will just pop up out of the blue... It has been known to happen before."

John, are you hinting about something?

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Alienange
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 9:09:21 AM
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What's with all these people with "bricked" PS3s? Sounds like that 60gb model isn't very reliable.

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MornelitheVT
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 9:17:55 AM

well, from experience, my 60g died roughly 2 years after purchase. However, I wasn't home when it happened, and it may or may not have been tipped over while a disc was in it. I don't know, wasn't there, and an alcoholic with zero memory capabilities was there.

Either way, I spent the $150, and SCE only took 11 days getting me a new one. All in all, I was pretty impressed with the Customer Service.

Morne

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Ricochet
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 9:23:49 AM

I agree, it's not the first time I heard the 60GB PS3's are getting issues. What's up with that?

However, the "backwards" compatibility will backfire if it is region protected. Does the PS2 Region Bios come into play here? Hopefully the so-called emulation update will fix that most problematic issue.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 9:59:11 AM

My 60gb just died on me this week. The infamous 80010514 error. Needs a new blue ray drive. Still waiting for the box. I bought mine in Jan 2007. Wasn't the 60 and 20gb the 1st blue ray player on the market? Maybe thats why the blue ray drive on these models have issues? New tech at the time?

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Ultimadream
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 10:39:53 AM

@ MornelitheVT

Did they give you back a 60GB model with PS2 compatibility or just replace it with a new model?

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 11:19:45 AM

Ultima, they either fix your PS3 and send it back or if they cant fix it they replace it with another 60gb model. You get back exactly what you send in.

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crawdaddy
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 11:20:39 AM

That is just what I have been trying to tell everyone forever. The 60 gig ps3's have a design problem similar to 360's, and have a high failure rate. Just look at the posts on this site in the archives, or the forums at the high number of ps3 failures. Look all over the internet at the number of failures. Sony should admit this, and replace these for free. At least Microsoft admitted their problem and replaced them for free.

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Ultimadream
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 11:34:03 AM

Hmmm, i'll muster up what i can on the Offical English Playstation forum and see what responses i get.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 11:42:07 AM

Crawdaddy, the 60gb having problems is hugely different then the 360. The 360 is still having problems and the 360 dies with in months. Not years. I've had my 60gb since Jan 2007 and it's just now having problems. While I'm disappointed I don't hink Sony is hidng anything from us or should replace anything out of warrenty for free. They are still below the standards of hardware failures while MS on a conservative estimate hover around 16% failure rate. I got a good 2 1/2 years of use out of a brand new price of tech. Stop with the entitlements.

Last edited by Jawknee on 7/2/2009 11:57:16 AM

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Jonesy555
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 11:52:32 AM

@crawdaddy

I've had the same 60GB PS3 since it's November 17th, 2006 launch and haven't had a single problem with it and I've done all sorts of things to it. Try to install ubuntu on it, increased HDD space and put yellow dog on it, restored PS3 because linux wouldn't recognize wireless card and didn't have enough linux know how to make it work and PS3 runs just fine today.

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Ultimadream
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 11:53:48 AM

Well i just rang up the PS customer line , the yshould be able to replace it for £99, I f ireturn my Upscaled DVD player i may be able to manage that..... the dvd player was a bit faulty anyway, never stayed at 1080.

Cool, i may be able to get heavy rain :D

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556pineapple
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 12:35:19 PM

Good to hear you can probably get yours fixed, Ultimadream.

My 60 GB died about 9 months after I got it (1 week after I picked up GTA IV). Since it was in the 1 year period, Sony replaced it for free, but I'd rather spend $150 on getting it fixed/replaced than going out and buying a new one for over twice that much. Of course, if all these rumors are true about a slim PS3 and a BC firmware update, and if that were to happen to me again, maybe I'd pick up the slim one to save some space around the TV.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 12:42:26 PM

556pineapple, mine died a week after buying GTAIV too. Coincidence?

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www
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 4:29:47 PM

Exactly what i've been thinking, that the 60GB is not that reliable, my 60GB died when it was almost 2 years old. The 80GB seems like a new & improved version.

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Ricochet
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 8:48:17 PM

Anyways, the 60GB makes up the "minority" of the PS3 market. My friend owns a 60GB model since 2007 and has never had a problem since (it's the Japanese version by the way). I think it's safe to take into account that only the 60GB models are faulty (possibly due to a "hardware" overkill combining PS2 emotion chip with the PS3 hardware).

In any case, it wasn't like the 360 where 10 out of 10 of my friends get the RROD whether Elite or Arcade bundle.

*offtopic: Anyways, do you know any online retailers that still sells 60GB PS3's to ship internationally? I don't trust e-bay and e-bay can't be registered in English (where I'm from).

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Ricochet
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 8:48:18 PM

Anyways, the 60GB makes up the "minority" of the PS3 market. My friend owns a 60GB model since 2007 and has never had a problem since (it's the Japanese version by the way). I think it's safe to take into account that only the 60GB models are faulty (possibly due to a "hardware" overkill combining PS2 emotion chip with the PS3 hardware).

In any case, it wasn't like the 360 where 10 out of 10 of my friends get the RROD whether Elite or Arcade bundle.

*offtopic: Anyways, do you know any online retailers that still sells 60GB PS3's to ship internationally? I don't trust e-bay and e-bay can't be registered in English (where I'm from).

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Jawknee
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 9:44:15 AM

Ricochet you can try Amazon.com. There's always used sellers and there some private sellers selling used and new MGS4 and MGS4 Kojima Gun metal grey bundles. Those are the same as the 60gb models.

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Alienange
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 12:19:29 PM

As much as it hurts me now that I don't have b/c in my PS3, I'm very glad I didn't spend 699usd on what seems to be an unreliable version of the PS3.

@ MornelithVT - That is one funny story... "alcoholic with zero memory capabilities"

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phade2blaq
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 10:51:49 AM
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This is good news for people with PS2 consoles that no longer work who may still have some favorite PS2 games that they want to play but not wanting to spend an additional $99 for a new PS2 after spending $300-500 for a PS3!

Kudos to Sony ! Should have just left BC in all models to begin with ! I still play my PS2 games on my 60GB and I also play my PS3 games as well !

Playing PS2 games on a BC PS3 doesn't detract from PS3 games at all ! It just gives gamers another option for gaming !

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Jonesy555
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 11:53:29 AM
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This news doesn't effect me at all because I already have a BC PS3 (original 60GB), but if it's true, congrats to all non-BC PS3 owners.

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Fane1024
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 4:22:23 AM

affect

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kreate
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 1:43:07 PM
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it doesnt make sense. if it was so easy as to bring a ps2 compatibility to the ps3 via a simple firmware... than... WHY DID THEY WAIT TIL NOW?

the rumor is probably a rumor.

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www
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 4:34:15 PM

maybe they've been trying to sort it out, its not like they already knew and just sat there.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 3:25:19 PM
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@Alienange,
I think ona huge part of the problem with the 60Gigger's is that they run super-hot, and you can really feel it when putting your hand near any of the "out" vents, especially the r/side.

My 60GB likes impersonating a ceramic heater!

So I put it up on 3 inch blocks to circulate more cool air under it, & then bolted a 4 speed vortex fan on the wall just inches above my PS3, to help suck out all that heat faster.

My 4month old(bought used from GS for over $500 w/warranty)is starting to give me a problem now & then.

Sometimes when I put a game in, it won't acknowledge that it's even sucked my game inside & show the disc icon, & go right into the game.
I have to pop the game out, turn the machine on & off a few times before it registers.
And other time's it works flawless, with no problems at all.

Thank goodness, I bought the 12 month warranty, so if it keeps doing it, GS said they'll find me another 60GB from one of their stores elsewhere.

Last edited by BikerSaint on 7/2/2009 3:28:17 PM

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www
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 4:32:56 PM

"I think ona huge part of the problem with the 60Gigger's is that they run super-hot, and you can really feel it when putting your hand near any of the "out" vents, especially the r/side."

Exactly, that's what i said a few days ago, anybody in the house who brought they hands near the right side would complain like "your machine really gives off heat" but the 80GBs aren't like that.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 4:47:02 PM

You know what? This makes perfect sense. I remember now, I have a 60gb and my buddy just bought the 80gb. I noticed his runs way cooler and quiter then my 60giby. I hope everything in this article is true. It's time for me to upgrade. I love my current machine, but it makes sense now.

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Alienange
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 12:21:12 PM

@ BikerSaint - That's a shame really ... Maybe that is why they removed the EE chip and went software emulation? Since the software emu is only so-so they removed it to work on it some more and have it as a firmware/dlc later on?

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VersusAlby
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 3:54:06 PM
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cool finally
does anybody know
if it would be possible to play A NSTC PS2 game on a PAL PS3?

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www
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 4:30:25 PM

Nope!

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www
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 4:36:47 PM
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Well i hope it doesn't brick our ps3s, cause these firmwares sometimes make me nervous.

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PS3addict
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 5:43:57 PM
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Personally I hope they get this out. I have tie 40gb and my PS2 does not look so good on my TV. Shadow of the collosis and ICO are so hard to look at on a HDTV.

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RadioHeader
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 6:41:03 PM
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The PS2 section in my local Blocbusters is very big, and very very cheap :)
I may finally play GOW 1&2 ...actually I'm determined to play them before GOW 3 so if this is bull, I'll just borrow someone's PS2 (plenty of em around).

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 7:22:44 PM
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Me too Sony might release a box set special edition with all 3 GoW games on 2 blue rays. So I've heard. I'd buy that.

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RadioHeader
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 9:25:38 PM

Man that would be perfect!

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Alienange
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 12:21:44 PM

I'd buy that too.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, July 02, 2009 @ 8:25:37 PM
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WWW,
And that's exactly why I stopped standing my 60 gigger upright, it gets so hot that if the heat affects any of that soldering, I don't want it melting & running right down the motherboard.
If that happened, then the solder would have to be reflowed, & to do it the correct way uses a very specialized $40,000 reflow machine.

Another reason for YLOD is the power supply has a failure in a one of the capacitors or diode.
That's a reflow job too, but much more time consuming due to having tracing down each & every capacitor & diode till they find the one that's not working.

And another is the BD drive or laser failure.

Anyways, here's a giant thread on the Playstation Board about all the PS3's that got the YLOD, and it seems that the 60GB model has the overall majority of failures.

BTW, if your machine has YLOD'd too(no matter what GB model) they're asking you to add your PS3 to their list & database. If they get enough and can prove that the YLOD isn't a fluke but a serious problem, then I think they're hoping Sony will wind up repairing them due to defects, similar to MS had to do.

Hopefully Sony will have most of these failures solved & corrected with the new "slim", but until they do......

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=3629439&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

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___________
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 9:50:14 AM
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if this is true.
sony please release devil may cry 1,2,3 GOW 1 and 2 and black on the psn network.
i rely want to play those games but cant find them anywhere.

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Alienange
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 12:24:21 PM

That'll be one of the problems with b/c. The stores aren't going to stock PS2 games so they had better get cracking on being able to download them from PSN. It's good for those of us who keep our games, but those Gamestop whores are going to be upset.

Last edited by Alienange on 7/3/2009 12:24:46 PM

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___________
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 9:54:53 AM
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thats what hapend to my 60GB launch system.
i was playing burnout paradise than the game froze nothing responded even holding the ps button.
so i reset the system than it wouldent read any bluray disks, dvd were fine just bluray.
so i rang sony and his first question was how hot is the system, and i couldent hold my hand there for more than 10 seconds because it was burning my hand.
ive NEVER had a comp run that hot on me never.
sony have a serious heat distribution problem.

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Robochic
Friday, July 03, 2009 @ 2:03:41 PM
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this does not affect me i have the launch 20 gig, my friend has a 60 gig. If this is true thats great for non b/c consoles out there. I do see a difference in playing PS2 games on my Ps3.

my 20 and my friends 60 launched consoles i guess we've been super lucky they run the same way my friends 80 runs very cool and quite.

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newchef
Saturday, July 04, 2009 @ 1:22:40 AM
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my first ps3 was b/c and as soon as i got it i played unholy war,then it broke =(, got a new 1 w/o b/c, cant wait to play it again if the rumors actually true

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Buckeyestar
Monday, July 06, 2009 @ 9:13:02 AM
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Can't believe you missed the obvious picture caption "Get in ma belly!" :D

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