Will Sony And Microsoft's Motion Sensing End The Wii's Reign?
After E3, it seemed like everyone wanted to avoid the obvious question, and while I'm well aware of the number of Wii fankids out there, I can't imagine why the question hasn't at least been addressed in some fashion.
Let's face it: the Wii sells on the gimmick alone. It doesn't sell on the strength of its software as that's essentially non-existent (especially in direct comparison to the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360), and the bottom line is that it appeals to non-gamers everywhere. The gadget hounds love the thing and senior citizens can go bowling. And I will forever have the utmost respect for Nintendo in producing a machine that ingeniously catered to absolutely everyone who wasn't a hardcore gamer, thereby opening themselves up to a gigantic demographic; i.e., everyone who didn't list "gaming" as their primary hobby. However, after sprinting out to a huge lead, Wii sales have slumped worldwide in 2009 and it's entirely because of what I've been saying all along: without software people want to play, no game console can survive, and consumers are immensely fickle. Yeah, they loved the idea of waving that wand around yesterday but today, they desire something more...and Nintendo ain't givin' it to 'em.
Sony and Microsoft, on the other hand, appear poised to do exactly that. The motion sensing technology for both is awfully impressive and I think we can all agree that it's leaps and bounds beyond the Wii, technologically speaking. Now, considering the almost complete lack of "AAA" software on the Wii and looking down the road, it becomes obvious that besides price, the Wii only has motion sensing going for it. But what happens when consumers can't even look at the Wii and say, "that's the only system I can do this with?" What happens when the best motion sensing experiences can be had on other consoles? I guess the big question is, what would the Wii have left? I have always known that unless Nintendo either produced innovative and top-notch software to go along with the gimmick, or they enhanced the gimmick itself, that the Wii would be little more than a fad. Yes, they've basically stomped the competition already, but with sales falling at a ridiculously rapid rate and Nintendo themselves admitting the health of the Wii is poor, we wonder what may happen in the future...
Seriously, what reason could anyone have for buying a Wii once these motion sensing technologies are available for the PS3 and 360? That it's cheaper? I suppose that would be it, and that might be able to keep things going. But you can't use the "oh, it has family-friendly software" excuse because I can absolutely guarantee that both the PS3 and 360 will have such software for these new technologies. In fact, I dare say many of the first games that support the motion sensing will be accessible and safe for all ages. It may blossom, but the bottom line is that Sony and Microsoft seem to be trying to squeeze out the Wii...and as absurd as that sounds, I'm wondering what can actually stop this from happening. Nintendo needs to do something to counter this, wouldn't you think?
7/19/2009 Ben Dutka
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Xra897
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 11:36:22 PM
Gregory Freeman
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 12:45:00 AM
Swim_Irr
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 1:58:37 AM
It might be in their best interest to just do software for the two other consoles from here on out... It would be very sad to see though.
I have a question for the older guys here... I'm 20 years old and my first console was a Genesis. How many multiplatform games were there back then? I was a little too young to acknowledge those sorts of things. Nor do I recall any "fanboyism" between Sony and Nintendo, although I know it existed by reading the comments and stories from the members here on PSXE. Was there just as many multiplats back then as there is now? Or even before my time?
Orvisman
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 9:47:17 AM
kevinater321
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 10:01:13 AM
Jawknee
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 11:20:54 AM
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Swim_Irr
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 12:48:42 PM
I do appreciate the time you took to write that though, as I am also a Mac and iPhone owner. :) ...And this comment is being written with my iPhone. :D
Was making a multiplatform game as popular back in the Sega-Nintendo days as it is now?
bridgera
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 12:54:38 AM
to answer your question about multiplatforming, no, it wasn't anywhere near as common during the NES/Gensis days as it is now. I think a couple of titles such as Mega Man crept onto the Genesis eventually.
Other than that, I can only think of a few titles off the top of my head that hit the SNES & Genesis, Mortal Combat, Street Fighter II, other than that I can't think of much.
Looking at my library of 10 PS3 games, 7/10 are available on the 360. Thinking back to my old NES/SNES, I think I had 1 or 2 titles available on the Genesis.
Multiplatforming is way more common now than back then.
Allelujah00
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 12:19:27 PM
On the other hand, I do see Microsoft advertising their product, I mean it's already been on those late night shows, and it doesn't even have a firm release date yet.Microsoft will support Natal, unlike Sony.
crump602
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 10:45:26 PM
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End of line
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 11:38:46 PM
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I'm not sure if M$/Sony realise this to the extent of what Nin does (it's been their philosophy since day one), and if they do, how will they reposition themselves to appear being as fun. Motion, a slim console? Copying doesnt work when somethings too succesful (well done ipod) so Nin doesnt have much to fear.
@ Scarecrow: I have the same disdain for casuals as you do then I remember the fun factor is what binds us, I'm still to decide if that's good thing lol.
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fatelementality
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 11:59:14 PM
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piratedrunk
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 12:12:09 AM
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Unless Nintendo make some drastic changes the PS3 and 360 will completely void it's place this generation.
Mornelithe
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 12:26:54 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I'm with Sony for consoles through and through. But, Nintendo still has a few aces that'll keep people coming back for a long time coming.
Qubex
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 12:50:19 AM
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"Motion sensing" will only succeed if the content is made available that really fits that form of entertainment... the problem is I like sitting on my ass playing games... I like being lazy... it feels good, there is no denying it...
I don't think I will purchase the "EYE" just yet, until I see real world games that make full use of the technology sensibly... I don't like the idea of just moving my hands in the air in order to drive a car... your arms would get tired quickly I think...
Sure there will be many applications that this sort of technology could be used for, but would really need to see exactly how far it goes and if it would be so much fun playing in such a way. It could, in all sense and purposes, end up being exhausting and frustrating... try playing in Famous whilst gyrating in front of the "EYE".... aaaggghhh!
Q!
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Highlander
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 11:49:02 AM
Actually our 2nd PS3 has one on it as well, then again we bought a second copy of Burnout Paradise so my wife and I could play at the same time, so it makes sense in a twisted sort of a way. She games more than I do now.
Mornelithe
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 11:55:06 AM
I've had a ton of fun with it though, it can take a bit to get the right lighting, and making sure you're torso is absolutely still is hard to get used to, but once you do....that game is a blast.
Also use they Eye for long-distance communication, for picture stamps in LittleBigPlanet, and making movies in secrecy, of people who get way to hammered at my house. Most amusing to show a room full of people (the person included), the footage.
Dealnightfire
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 12:59:01 AM
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Add-ons don't do well in the video game market. The Wii does well because instead of making it an add on to the Gamecube they just bundled it with a beefy gamecube and Wii Sports.
A soon as a person gets a Wii they can play motion games. They didn't have to run out and buy an add on and Wii Sports was ready to go.
For motion tech to take off on both they have to bundle it with systems which guarantees devs that a lot of people will have them.
Highlander
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 1:56:28 AM
The PS3 DOES come with motion sensing built in. It's called Sixaxis and it works bloody well actually.
Try playing High Velocity Bowling for instance, it demonstrates just how good Sixaxis can be. Ratchet and Clank made good use of it, as have other games. Lair made excellent use of the motion sensing features - but alas no one really gave it much of a chance, apparently Dragons should fly like F-16s with flight sticks and the like, instead of a set or reigns.
But the point is, that PS3 comes with motion sensing technology already. I've said before that if Sony ever puts any effort into combining the Sixaxis with the PS Eye capabilities they could far exceed what the Wii has to offer. The new stuff Sony showed at E3 was a development of that, and unlike the tech shown by MS, Sony has been developing their technology for years in real products.
Back to the point though. The PlayStation 3 *already* comes with a motion sensing controller. It has done so since launch day.
bridgera
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 12:59:15 AM
In MUA, it was utter crappily implemented. In Heavenly Sword, well it was cool, but I personally shut it off the second time through and used the stick, and god, did that make life easier.
bebestorm
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 1:55:56 AM
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Highlander
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 2:34:00 AM
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Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 3:26:33 AM
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because of all the software they have.
zelda is as popular as it ever was.
same with sonic mario all their team players.
i remember reading a article a few weeks ago saying that wii fit has reached and sold more copies than the holy halo 3.
now thats a achievement, i would love to see a ps3 title to do that.
also because of there kid friendly image.
a family friend of mine, hes freaking 15 and his parents wont let him watch star wars movies, or play the games.
hes 15 and hes not allowed to watch or play anything rated over PG, theres tuns of families out their (sadly i feel so sorry for the kid, hes the only one who does not know star wars, at school he talks about shows his friends stoped watching 5 years ago) that are like that and thats why nintendo are not going anywhere but straight to the top.
Alienange
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 9:00:57 PM
SkantDragon
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 4:17:08 AM
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The market ingredients that turned Wii into a runaway seller are unique and not unlike the Tickle Me Elmo or Cabbage Patch Kids fads.
I've always thought that the Wii would end up fading out sharply once the fad was over with and the cool kids were all onto the next gadget. I have to admit it took a lot longer than I thought it would, and the Wii has had a great run in the meantime. But from this point, there's nothing Nintendo or anyone can do to recapture the fad. The Wii is going to fade away fast now.
Gogaku
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 5:28:41 AM
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I also think that with all the cash that Nin has gotten from the Wii, they are already close to finishing up the development of their next console, probably something you hook up to your brain.
Dancemachine55
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 5:50:16 AM
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When people see how much better the EA Sports lineup is on a next gen console, combined with motion tech and better graphics and online scoreboards and online multiplayer thats much easier to manage than Wii, many people will begin trading for the superior console.
I'm not saying everyone will, but there will be a large majority. Many Wii owners are budding gamers ready to learn about what real games are like. In case no one has noticed, theres very few M and MA rated games on the Wii, so when all these Wii kids grow up, they will hook onto the next Xbox and Playstation which will have all the best mature games for them.
KevinCairo
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 6:29:22 AM
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ShadowRunner
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 7:16:32 AM
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I'll just wait and see how motion sensing works on PS3.
kevinater321
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 10:32:05 AM
NoSmokingBandit
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 9:52:21 AM
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Sure, the wiimote is kinda essential to a game like Wii Sports, but it doesnt fell gimmicky in that game, it just fells right.
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 10:15:54 AM
Scarecrow
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 10:24:28 AM
It has some AMAZING games: Mario Galaxy, Tales of Symphonia 2, Mario Kart Wii, Zelda: Twilight Princess, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, etc.
But most of them came out the first two years....
The Wii's STRONG software died after Super Smash Bros. Brawl.
We took a look at what Nintendo was gonna bring at last year's E3 and that's when we figured out that motion-controller isn't really innovating as Nintendo thought it would.
Where Ben, I, and everyone else agrees is that the Wii has no good games anymore nor is it promising much in the future. Well actually they did show some really strong games at E3. But for the most part the Wii is a casual gamer's console...
We're bashing Nintendo because of how good their software lineups used to be. Nintendo 64? Gamecube?
Look at the gems which came for those consoles. They actually were as good as Sony's. Bringing in innovative games like Pikmin, Animal Crossing, etc.
NoSmokingBandit
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 10:52:17 AM
I do agree that the wii's game release schedule has been pretty terrible, but most nintendo consoles only see one Mario and Zelda title a generation anyway. Im a huge Zelda fan, and SMG is one of the best games i've played this generation, so its worth it *for me* to own a wii just for those games.
I like what nintendo is doing by branching out into something new, but it is still all about the games, and the wii had quite a few good ones early on.
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 11:05:42 AM
Most all of those games are old and there doesn't appear to be anything on the horizon. When I say the Wii has no software, I'm really talking about the current situation...and I'm being literal.
NoSmokingBandit
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 8:51:27 PM
We need to ask if Nintendo even gives a crap if the wii keeps selling. They've been rolling in money for the past few years between the DS and Wii, so they could kill it off early and start a WiiHD or whatever.
kevinater321
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 10:20:05 AM
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So, this is what i basically said, have the ps3 slim packaged with 2 psmotes and an eyetoy, each one will be a differnt hand and have dif buttons on each, so on the left hand you have the left side you have directional and left anaglog, and right...well you know what i mean...different attachable weights...keep D3 as an option for the hardcore...catchy name....sorry about the typos....ya my venting is done :P
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GlavinChris
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 10:34:23 AM
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Highlander
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 11:22:36 AM
kevinater321
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 10:44:28 AM
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Highlander
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 11:19:08 AM
Natal is neither high resolution enough, nor responsive enough for Hollywood (neither movies nor TV) to use.
That's the interesting thing about what Sony brought to the table, it is as accurate and responsive as anything that Hollywood uses. It almost seems as though Sony has brought some of the technology from it's Movie business into the game business.
kevinater321
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 12:54:09 PM
somethingrandom
Friday, July 24, 2009 @ 12:56:23 AM
PS3addict
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 11:25:37 AM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 12:23:59 PM
I have a special fondness for Nintendo, too, but the Wii is completely incapable of delivering the immersive experiences I get with the PS3 and 360. As much as I love the old-school Nintendo, I really don't see how any of the new installments in classic franchises are anything worthy of my time.
It's why my SNES is still hooked up in the bedroom. ;)
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PS3addict
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 3:23:53 PM
I have over 30 games for my PS3 beast and play it daily. I was trying to state that the Wii has it's place in my gaming world, most of the games I do play on it or last gen or older, and older and ... yeah they are really old, but they bring back memories.. I used to dust off the NES and SNES every once in a while, but now that I have roms of all of my old school memories, the wii does get used for more than getting pissed off at Twighlight princess. Freakin "Point the remote at the TV" I AM!!!
Another thing about the Wii is Houe of the Dead. Love shooting me some zombies! I do not care for overkill with the volume up due to the always loud "F" bombs. Cussing is OK in moderation, but that game pushes it over the edge. 190 times in a game??? K, that is Overkill!!
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tlpn99
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 1:02:35 PM
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I am not too sure if I would get the motion controller for either the PS3 or 360. It is ok for a bit of a laugh with your mates but I dont wanna be waving my arms round and jumping all round the place when playing my games on the PS3 and 360.
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556pineapple
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 2:11:36 PM
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As far as motion sensing goes, it's cool, but I have a hard time as seeing it as much more than a gimmick. The sixaxis works well with a few PS3 games, but for the most part it doesn't do much. I don't think the Wii will disappear, because it is significantly cheaper than either the PS3 or 360.
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Dancemachine55
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 8:56:30 PM
556pineapple
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 11:27:16 PM
CH1N00K
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 4:02:39 PM
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BikerSaint
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 4:46:21 PM
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And, Ninty's not going to fade away anytime soon, especially since they've made more profit on their Wii, than Sony & MS combined. There will always be more gimmicks to come up with.
That's what made this generation so good(overall, that is).
But mark my words, the PS3 "will" own this console generation soon, just as it has in the last two console generations. And just as it will in the next gen console wars too.
The other consoles may be the quicker hares off the starting gate, but the Sony tortiouse will always run right over them before the finish line, and all while it takes it's own sweet time, "just strolling along!
Ricochet
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 6:32:11 PM
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Fact:
- Most of the Wii's sales are made by the non-gamer demographic. A target THEY THEMSELVES made. So it's a big victory for them. Why we're criticizing about them not targeting the hardcore gamers is beyond me.....
- The Wii had more demand than it could supply. That shows how unexpectedly popular it is.
- Tries to break they "stereotypes" that video games are bad. And with such demand for non-gamers, I applaud them!
- "Gimmicks" don't sell, REVOLUTIONARY does.
- And now we have more console-savvy players in the gaming market....
The PS3 and 360:
They're now eating at the Wii's entrails. They want to conquer the demographic that the Wii dominated for so long. That's like saying the Wii will GREATLY surpass the XBL online.
360 and PS3 has no experience bringing the non-gamers to the market. What makes you think they can now? Oh, wait... thanks to the Wii, the non-gamers may opt to find something new. Let's face it guys, the Wii won flawlessly, it penetrated the proverbial wall of the non-gamers, now the PS3 and 360 are now to pick up the sloppy seconds.
But let's see what the future Natal and the unnamed PS3 controls would bring......
crawdaddy
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 7:38:06 PM
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Kangasfwa
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 8:15:49 PM
Alienange
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 9:04:42 PM
crawdaddy
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 8:54:58 AM
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Kangasfwa
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 8:13:34 PM
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Hope for another real Metroid game?
Nintendo can't even deliver good hardcore games and I've played the bloody mess that is madworld. I haven't been able to try the conduit yet, though.
Alienange
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 8:50:11 PM
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Doesn't really match the statement:
"opening themselves up to a gigantic demographic; i.e., everyone who didn't list 'gaming' as their primary hobby"
360 and PS3 were initially both geared towards those who DO list gaming as their primary hobby. Can't say Nintendo stomped the competition. They didn't have any competition for the market they were after. As a matter of fact, if Nintendo was trying to win over those whose primary hobby is gaming by coming out with the Wii, one could say that it is THEY that have been stomped.
Dancemachine55
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 9:06:21 PM
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PS3 and 360 are in competition for the hardcore demographic. By introducing motion controls for both, they are expanding their accessability for both hardcore and casual. If both 360 and PS3 have the fun software to support these motion controls, then they may sell quite well.
Quite frankly, I believe the PS3 may fair better than 360 for its motion controls being much more accurate, having triggers and buttons with the motion controls similar to the Wii, and Sony is pushing for more AAA software to sell the console.
However, I feel Natal will sell more at first simply because of the aggressive marketing and hyping that Microsoft are very well known for.
dveisalive
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 11:19:27 PM
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Robochic
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 8:38:29 AM
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jagstatboy
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 12:13:07 PM
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“However, after sprinting out to a huge lead, Wii sales have slumped worldwide in 2009 and it's entirely because of what I've been saying all along:” – oh so the global economy has nothing to do with it…not to mention the fact that Wii sales would have declined no matter what given the torrid pace at which they have been selling.…but we’re to believe it’s ENTIRELY because of what YOU have been saying. You also ignore the fact that the Wii still outsells the other consoles.
Seriously, what reason could anyone have for buying a Wii once these motion sensing technologies are available for the PS3 and 360? Are you being serious when asking that or is that a joke? Please tell me you’re joking.
You sure do state a lot of your opinions as fact. Look, I absolutely LOVE my PS3. But I have a Wii also and without it, there are a great many games I would not be able to play. I’m not saying it’s as good as the PS3 hardware-wise or graphics, of course it’s not. The Wii is a different experience and a fun one and that is why we play video games – to have fun.
LastHour
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 2:38:27 PM
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So, like I said before, it's not dead, or going anywhere. It's still gonna have its AAA Nintendo titles, and it's crappy third party titles. It's just not getting the attention it once had. The 360 and PS3 might succeed with the motion sensing thing, because to me Natal seems really cool, and I like the PlayStation 3 Eye, and I want to play that Eye of the Beholder game on it (that looks so friggin AWESOME). But then as many other posters have said, the motion sensing might go over as another Sega CD, as much as I hate to make that comparison. People might see it as another one of those Wii ripoff things (Did anyone see Ashen's review of the Vii?) and might not buy it. Only time will tell.
And to kevinater321, Guitar Hero wasn't an add on as much as a game with a special peripheral. You can't say it failed, because it's madly popular, and because not many 3rd party devs take advantage of it, where as with Natal and whatever it is that Sony's gonna have, third party devs might try and shove shovelware to the two "hardcore" console.

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