Ubisoft: Conviction's 360 Exclusivity A "Business Decision"

Victor321
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:07:35 PM
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I swore I remember reading another article that was posted up on the PSX site, saying that the main reason for the exclusivity for Splinter Cell: Conviction was because Ubisoft believed that Splinter Cell "belonged" on the XBOX platforms, like how Final Fantasy just "belonged" on the PS Platforms (I know that's not true anymore, but I distinctly remember someone from Ubisoft was quoted saying that on the news article that was posted up; yes, the same one I mentioned earlier in my post).

Last edited by Victor321 on 7/21/2009 10:08:11 PM

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b3mike
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:11:09 PM

But didn't every other Splinter Cell game find it's way to the Playstation at one point or another? That's a bunch of bs. Microsoft knows the 360's days are numbered and wrote Ubisoft a blank check

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 2:15:04 AM

I remember reading that article here.

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King James
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 10:59:46 AM

Vic,
That pic is awesome.

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Arvis
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 11:12:43 AM

Yes, Vic, it was said that Splinter Cell and Xbox were connected by a "link of heart." Which I responded to by saying that it was likely that this sugary-sweet "link of heart" was almost certainly preceded by a "link of wallet."

Glad my cynicism was correct again. *sigh*

-Arvis

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Victor321
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 5:51:46 PM

Thanks King James =), and I wonder if your cynicism is a blessing or a curse Arvis ;)?

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Kangasfwa
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:11:44 PM
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Does Conviction star Sam Fisher or Jason Bourne?

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Danny007
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:13:22 PM
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This sucks for PS3 users. Microsoft must have handed Ubisoft a crap load of money for it to be exclusive. Maybe this is the game that is coming to PS3 that was exclusive to Xbox 360 as advised in a previous article here on PSX.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:21:52 PM
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Well all I have to say is:

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots > Splinter Cell: Conviction

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Victor321
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:51:55 PM

WOW!! Just.....just WOW......well what I have to say is:

I Completely Agree.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:56:48 PM

You haven't even played the game yet. Congrats on making an illogical decision :)

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 11:00:17 PM

@Vertigo,
Few games this gen have come close to MGS4's grandeur

I doubt any Splinter Cell game will touch it. It never did in the past, it never will in the future.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 11:10:02 PM

The fact that you believe there are a few games that have touched MGS4 should tell you something. SC is a proven series and just as enjoyable as MGS IMO. I'm waiting to try it before I decide which is better, I think you should do the same. Don't miss out on something because of bias.

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KilloWertz
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 11:27:12 PM

There is no reason to crap on the game just because it's not coming to PS3. I loved MGS4 as much as everyone else (it was my favorite overall game from any system last year), but to say Splinter Cell never touched any Metal Gear Solid game (and this one not touching MGS4 even before the game is even out) is blatant fanboyism. Maybe it won't be as good as MGS4, but Conviction looks to be shaping up quite nicely in its own right.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 11:40:19 PM

mayhaps Scarecrow just doesn't like the series. There have been other installments.

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kreate
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 2:20:30 AM

but how many disk is splinter cell going to take up? one?

if its going to be on 1 disk, than the game will fall short no matter what. the biggest example i can give is fable2. such a great game but fell short due to the 1 DVD disk size

the reason why MGS4 didnt make it to the xbox360 was cuz the hardware of the 360 couldnt support such a game. but splinter cell on the other hand, 'can' be on the ps3 no problem.

as a result, MGS4 is 'probably' and 'arguably' better than splinter cell conviction

*i have MGS4 but i only played the online, i never played the single player campaign yet
**i strongly believe the people who think mgs4 would remain better than splinter cell is not 'too' much of a fanboyish commment

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kreate
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 2:28:27 AM

xbox360 games generally are short, lack high quality cgi cutscenes, instead they use
in-game cutscenes cuz its so much easier, and takes less space to do so

but in result, this makes the game... kind of 'lacking' and it limits the game developers from making great and better games.

if splinter cell conviction was a ps3 exclusive (although it will require more skills, time, and effort) the game developer can really maximize the quality of the game instead of limiting the game quality like the xbox360 does to current-gen games.

another example is gears of war1. its shorter than heavenly sword. i really dont know what else to say. gears of war is over rated. if u add the online play, yes it is good. but again, this requires u to have a current gold membership

*i never played gears of war2, only gears of war1

Last edited by kreate on 7/22/2009 2:29:44 AM

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deadduck
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 4:24:45 AM

Amen, Scarecrow.

Though I'll still be buying 'Conviction', as I love the 'Splinter Cell' series. But no series has come close in comparison to the experiences provided me by the 'Metal Gear' series.

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ohmikkie
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 7:25:54 AM

@kreate. Do you really know anything about software development. The size of content is not directly related to games play length. There are loads of factors like texture resolutions and the number of textures, games engine's resource formats, types of compression used for data.
As much as I loved MGS4 I don't think much was done to compress data as much if it had to go on DVD (or multiples). Plus I really cannot believe those long chapter load sessions were necessary.
Oh yeah do many of you people out buy a game and only use the on-line bit. Sounds weird to me. No wander I don't get a sense being "cheated" when another COD comes out.

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kreate
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 3:27:09 PM

what are u talking about? hideo kojima himself
came out and said that MGS4 couldnt be done on the 360 due to hardware issues. he said that if MGS4 'was' to be made on the 360, that it would have to be a totally different game.

and size does matter! what sources are u relating to when it comes to length of a game? which developer came out and said it doesnt matter if its on blu ray or on dvd disks?

*i dont know anything about software development cuz i never made a game before but i do understand the basics involved from the explanations and difficulties the developers explain in their interviews

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ohmikkie
Thursday, July 23, 2009 @ 7:25:29 AM

Content requires more space. An XBox360 version would very likely end up on multiple DVD disks. I cannot believe each chapter could not fit on on a single DVD.
Plus analogy I was using was negating your analogy to game length and content size. Fallout 3 (1 DVD on XBox) for example; I spent a hell of a lot more hours completing it than MGS4 and it requires less space.
You'll probably find that the cut scene content takes up a good percentage of the disk space rather that the game engine and level data (which are probably not compressed).

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kreate
Thursday, July 23, 2009 @ 5:34:22 PM

im on the same page with u. i played a hella more hours on fallout than on mgs4. i agree.

but than again, i played tetris far more than any other game in my life. and tetris doesnt even require 1MB.

again, u also dont understand software development. hideo kojima himself clearly said that mgs4 could not be done on the 360. it doesnt need ur understanding. it just cant be done. or ... u can email kojima production and ask them to bring it over to the 360.

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kreate
Thursday, July 23, 2009 @ 5:46:10 PM

"we would love to set the thing up where it filled one blu ray disc versus three dvds, which is about the right mix, but the game just... we can't cut it into a third like that"

"we can cut it into two pieces"

John Carmack - ID founder and technical director of ID Software

so... it seems like certain games just cannot be cut into multiple pieces. it could be on 2 dvd but not 3. i dont know how that works and neither do u. whether u believe it or not, no one really cares. its just how it is.

*game being described is RAGE and he was explaining the difficulties they are having squeezing all the content on the pc and 360 versions

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ohmikkie
Friday, July 24, 2009 @ 2:59:23 AM

I'll leave you to selectively believe whatever "spin" you want.

Carmack (Loads of respect) gave gave explanations based on creativity not technical. And they still had to cut a some of stuff out get Rage on two disks which sounds like the roaming will be like Far Cry 2 (speculation) north and south maps.

I've been professional developing software for 20 years and a lot longer as a hobby.

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kreate
Friday, July 24, 2009 @ 5:33:58 AM

if thats the case i'll take ur word for it.
but can i get what ur job title is and which company u work for?

u are who from which company?

also why do u think hideo kojima said that. do u think hideo was lying when he said mgs4 couldnt be done on the 360?

he said if it 'were' to be done, it would have to be a completely different game.

looking at ur comment, u are a 40-50 yr old man right?

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kreate
Friday, July 24, 2009 @ 6:00:32 AM

@ohmikkie

ok. i carefully re read all of the comments u made. i like to trash out the comment i made previously right above this one. apologies.

the problem here is.. i dont know these technical details. u do. but not me. so i was just basing my comments from what hideo kojima said about mgs4. simple.

we can go back and forth about these technical details. but i wont understand what exactly the technical issues are cuz i never worked in software engineering. so i give credit to u since u know the technical difficulties when it comes to software development.

im sure there is a reason why kojima said that but u can probably see the bigger picture while im looking at a much smaller picture.
thus, im making very generic theories while u are going very detail into the technical side of it.

but with my limited mind, it seems like its difficult to cut the games into multiple pieces depending on the structure of the game. creativty? technical? i dont know.

but i hope im at least right on 1 thing. blu ray is definately better than multiple DVD even on the technical side of it. the only thing that makes it difficult is the complex architecture of the ps3. am i at least correct on that?

*i didnt realize how old u were until i clicked on ur profile. i sincerely apologize for sounding so rude in the previous comments.

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ohmikkie
Sunday, July 26, 2009 @ 4:35:55 AM

No worries kreate. your last comment is justified opinion but it depends on if the game engine is highly optimised for the PS3 hardware (i.e. the SPU utitilsation). I suspect some difficulty porting the engine to 360, in that case, but not an impossibility (it would cost more). A lot of code would have to be re-implemented rather than just converted.

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NoSmokingBandit
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:27:19 PM
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Conviction will be released for Windows too (according to wikipedia anyway), so i'll still be able to play it. It looks amazing, so i'm glad i have a (somewhat) decent gaming rig.

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:28:22 PM
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"Well that's purely a business decision. That's it... Ubisoft as a company now has a lot of experience with PS3. Our processes, tools, techniques are very well-developed - we could absolutely execute on the PS3 if we had the opportunity, but like I said it was a business decision."

::TRANSLATION::

"Well that's purely a exclusivity contract with Microsoft. That's it... Ubisoft as a company now knows how to make a good PS3 game, honest! Our processes, tools, techniques are very well-developed. We have mad skillz on PS3 and if we didn't have an exclusivity clause we'd show you. But like I said it was a truck load of cash delivered in the wee small hours with a Microsoft Logo on the bags of cash."

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Victor321
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:51:16 PM

You'd make a great translator.

=)

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godsman
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:29:57 PM
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Selling a good game in less install base by going exclusive is DEFINITELY a business decision.

Obviously Xbox would have little to brag about if they don't have any exclusive this and next year.

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Ricochet
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:48:14 PM
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"A business decision" they say. Hey Ben, didn't you write an article before that the devs said SCC AI performs a lot better on the 360 than on the PS3. I guess Killzone 2, Uncharted 2 and MGS4 slapped some sense into them, huh?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:50:59 PM
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The question is, was the guaranteed cash from MS more than the potential sales on PS3 would have raked in?

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:55:57 PM

I'm sure taking into account the time and money that would of been spent bringing it to PS3 makes it pretty close. Close enough for them to take the easy way out.

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tes37
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 3:17:55 PM

They probably looked at it as some who play and win the lottery. Do I take the smaller lump sum now or do I wait yearly for it to roll in?

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kevinater321
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:53:43 PM
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I wasn't a big fan of the originals but I know some people were so I feel sorry for the people that are missing out.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 10:55:12 PM
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Just another xbox exclusive I'll be getting for PC.

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King James
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 9:52:00 AM

Agreed

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kevinater321
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 11:04:20 PM
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Since everone here is saying that microsoft paid them but it could just be because they want it to be on xbox only.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 11:11:00 PM

I can't imagine them choosing to only make it for the 360 this far into the console's lifetime without a generous nudge.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 11:41:08 PM

"business decision" means money is involved.

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kevinater321
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 12:03:02 PM

I might have my facts wrong but doesn't isnomniac games make games exclusive for Sony? I didn't know that Sony paid them for exclusives. And isn't naughty dog the same way? I could be wrong but it's not the craziest thing ever.

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 12:07:52 PM

They get incentives, it's common knowledge.

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kevinater321
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 2:31:30 PM

Who has incentives? insomniac and naughty dog or Ubisoft?

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 3:21:12 PM

All three of them. Ubisoft is clearly getting money for developing SC exclusively for the 360 and the other two get 1st party like status support for developing for Sony. I'm sure there is money involved with all three. It's business, makes sense.

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NoSmokingBandit
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 7:20:18 PM

Sony has a strict policy to NOT pay for games. I'm sure Insomniac and ND get perks though, like early SDKs, a seat at meetings with sony's first party devs, shared codebases (we all know how insomniac likes to share code), etc. I dont know what im talking about ,but it seems likely.
Insomniac said several times that they can make games for the 360 whenever they feel like it, but they enjoy working with sony and have a good relationship.
Sony devs seem to think with their head, not their wallet.

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Alienange
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 11:06:58 PM
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This is a huge mistake for Ubisoft. Splinter Cell is nowhere near as popular as they might hope it still is. Watch for this game to fail in the sales numbers followed by a "we planned to bring it to PS3 all along" comment late 2010.

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KilloWertz
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 11:22:33 PM

I doubt it will fail because of one main reason, and that is the huge amount of positive press the game has been getting since E3. That combined with Microsoft paying them for it to be exclusive way back before it was first announced (there is no doubt they did) and they should make plenty of money off of the game.

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Geobaldi
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 @ 11:59:55 PM

With six games in the series, four novels with two more releasing this year, and a movie in the works, though stalled since the sale of Dreamworks. To say it's not popular is a mistake. I prefer MGS, for the story and characters mainly, but Splinter Cell is a great alternative as was Syphon Filter back in the day.

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Hezzron
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 7:53:50 AM

@alienange - I was kinda thinking the same thing. For the most part, all I see in the cheapy bins are Splinter Cell games. But time will tell if the 360 users whose console isn't in the repair shop, have a decent exclusive to play.

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Alienange
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 10:23:31 AM

KilloWertz - You've seen "positive press" of SCC? No. You've seen countless previews of the E3 footage followed by comments by people who say they "may buy" or "maybe pick it up" or "might be my first SC."

Geobaldi - I didn't say it wasn't popular. I said it's not as popular as they want to think it is. To make a decision to not support the PS3 is akin to the thinking of Activision's Mr Kotick. To think you are so popular that you can call shots like this is a huge mistake and Ubisoft will feel the pain.

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kreate
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 5:21:31 PM

doesnt splinter cell already have a established fan base?

if people in general doesnt buy, im sure the xbox fanboys would buy it. they would buy anything that is xbox exclusive.

but splinter cell is up against a decent amount of competition by the time its released.
halo3 odst, brutal legend, risen, magna carta2, dragon age origins, fifa, tekken6, forza3. and modern warfare2 launches couples weeks after splinter cell.

so its probably hard to tell if it will have high or low sales.

*i understand the games mentioned are not all splinter cell 'type' but it still is a competition

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Alienange
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 7:13:05 PM

You said it Kreate. The xbots will not have a hard time figuring out where their $60 will go. As xbots they are forced to support anything Halo for fear ODST sales land in the toilet. Conviction will not be as great a sale as Ubisoft thinks.

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LastHour
Sunday, July 26, 2009 @ 11:33:33 PM

Alien, I agree. Splinter Cell used to be cool, but that was a while ago. I think I played the first one on the GameCube at a friends house, and it was cool, but now I can't play it.

And just because I'm a 360 gamer does not mean that I will be dropping 60 when ODST launches. I honestly can't stand Halo, although multiplayer can be fun sometimes. I'm more looking forward to Modern Warfare 2. Gonna be crazy, knifing people on snowmobiles like in the trailer.

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Lord carlos
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 12:08:40 AM
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Oh well,while MS are busy buying up exclusive game rights,Sony's internal development teams along with their 2nd party development teams are busy CREATING a sh!t load of awesome exclusive titles which will spawn sequel after sequel!!
It will be a good game & all but f*ck it,i'd rather play MGS peacewalker on psp anyways!

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Neurotoxiny
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 12:15:11 AM
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Ubisoft fails. They really should make Conviction for the PS3, I mean, Splinter Cell is soooooo awesome. Hopefully the new Ghost Recon is for the PS3 though.

Who needs tri-focal goggles when you have a new cross-com device system.

UAV!!!! IN MAH FRIDGE!!!!

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 12:15:51 AM
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I guess MS has to compete some how. They have very few 1st party devs and hardware that's just not up to par with their competitions. Personally, I think splinter Cell games suck and won't be buying them on any platform, but it sucks for the people who were hoping this would come to the PS3. PS3 owners have many great exclusives on the way and this will soon be dust in the wind!

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learte
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 12:49:19 AM
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well i hope microsoft starts making their own exclusives insted of buying third party games. but too bad i did enjoy other splinter cell games. but i wont miss this one, im too happy for the other great games coming for here to the next E3.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 2:54:28 AM
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MS's only purpose is to be the biggest piece of sh!t monopoly on Earth, while ruining everything they make, and also trying to poison all of their competitors.

There should be some federal white-collar laws made just to stop their immoral fraud & their bribery shake-downs(no matter how legal it may now be).

An open letter to Major Scumbags......
Try making something on your own for a change, and do it right this time for a change, without it failing months after it's shipped to stores.

And start doing something useful with all your money, hire some people & put them into teams to make your own damned games, instead of trying to f*ck other console users.

MS, you should just change your company name to "Major Scumbags"!!!!!!!!!!!! It's the very same initials, so you won't even have to change your letterhead much!

Last edited by BikerSaint on 7/22/2009 2:56:59 AM

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kreate
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 3:18:14 AM

maybe those "federal white-collar" are also paid off by M$?

Not sure anymore but Bill Gates use to (or still does) have a seat in the United Nations and he was the single most influential person at one point (maybe he still is?)

i mean.. lets look at their business practices

1. xbox360 'works', kind of...
2. u are forced to buy M$ brand headset
3. u are forced to buy M$ brand wireless network card
4. u are forced to buy M$ brand HDD
5. u are forced to pay to play online
6. developers are forced to make their DLC
non-free unless approved by M$ even if the developer wants to make it free
7. M$ will buy out any competitor, if it cant be bought, they will buy out the competitor's third party companies
8. M$ once said "we dont want to force consumers"

*Microsoft - as a company trying to make money, Microsoft is the best and pwns Sony in this department

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Socrates
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 3:26:15 AM
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Dont get me wrong, I like Splinter Cell as much as anyone … even those claiming that Microsoft are behind it not becoming a PS3 release … but personally, Im looking forward more to Uncharted 2 than Splinter Cell! … surely PS3 owners cant say that if they were to chose between one or the other, that Splinter Cell would come out on top? … I know several Xbox owners whod prefer to have Uncharted 2? … or maybe Im wrong? … its happened lots!

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Fane1024
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 3:28:50 AM
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I just want to note that (next-gen) SC: Double Agent was "exclusive" to 360, for a while.

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Ultimadream
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 3:51:51 AM
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Maybe its because SC: Double Agent flopped.... well it did as for MGS vs SC..... There is no competition, MGS Excells in everyway other than no co-op play.... but then theres MGO.

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___________
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 4:17:02 AM
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i hope they stay along the lines of a stealth game.
watching the E3 demo it looks like a more run in and kill everyone in sight game.
i dont want that, i want it to be a stealth game where you hide in the shadows and slip your way past guards.
its easy to put a bullet into a guys head, its hard to sneak past them without them ever knowing you were there.

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King James
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 10:28:16 AM

But ______, thats how the xbox community loves it. SC:C WILL be more run'n'gun than stealth. That's what the 360 community wants. They gave them stealth on the last SC. It didn't sell great.

Don't give them an engaging story. Don't give them complex battle mechanics. You gotta give these kids sum'en to hit/shoot. Thats it. Look at all their "superior" exclusive games:

Halo - FPS
Gears of War - 3rdPS
Mass Effect - 3rdPS RPG
Fable - 3rdP action/adventure brawler RPG (all u do is hit something w/ buttons I might add)
Left 4 Dead - FPS
Alan Wake - 3PS Thriller

All the other exclusives that the 360 has don't do particularly well because...
-Either they're not a shooter/brawler (i.e. Lost Odysessy, Beautiful Katamiri).
-Or they're inferior to games found on other platforms (i.e. MGS, Gran Turismo, FF, 'almost every fighting game', GTA, GoW, etc, etc).

If you've already grown outta your "mindless violence" phase in previous gens like in the PS1/Saturn/N64 days or PS2/Xbox days (like me), then the 360 exclusives are overrated and seem recycled.

But the 360 majority love games like that. They're mostly teens/pre-teens and haven't grown outta that "violence" phase yet. So as long as Ubisoft wants to sell Splinter Cell BIG only on the 360...Then you gotta turn it into Gears or Halo. In SC's case, it turned into Gears. :(

Last edited by King James on 7/22/2009 10:29:51 AM

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Alienange
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 7:21:21 PM

King James. As right as you are, that is where Ubisoft is failing. They have the ONLY "sneaker" on xbox and the fans to go with it. However in their quest for money they've gone and changed it up to make the game more appealing to what the 360 gamers are perceived to be, run and gunners. I believe this to be a huge mistake. Alienating long time fans in hopes of getting new ones from the fps crowd is a mistake.

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King James
Thursday, July 23, 2009 @ 1:38:33 AM

Totally agree with you Alienage. Turning SC into Gears is a mistake. I hope this is not the case, but the E3 footage seems to be the "prove-in-the-pudding".

If Ubisoft really wanted to move some units...they should've made it multi-plat. If I ran Ubi and M$ came to me asking for an exclusive, I would've gave them that new IP, I Am Alive.

Establish the new IP on one system, and bring the established franchises to the masses. Like what R* is doing with Agent and the PS3.

Ubisoft has been failing since Haze. And they will continue to do so as this gen continues.

Last edited by King James on 7/23/2009 1:39:46 AM

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Andysw
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 5:45:33 AM
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Since the game is also on the pc, it's not exclusive to the xbox 360. And that contributes the fact that the xbox 360 HAS NO GAMES, except multiplatforms.

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ShadowRunner
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 5:51:57 AM
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Another 360 exclusive, time to dust off my PC

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 6:16:47 AM
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Is anyone else here aware that giving a developer lots of money to make a product exclusively for their console is just business?

Forget the childish fanboyism. Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft and even Apple have forked out money to a developer in order to gain an exclusive. As stated in the article, it is just business.

However, in seeing the overall business practices of these companies, I have little respect for MS and great respect for Nintendo and Sony for keeping a good relationship with their interrelated companies rather than just settling things with large sums of cash.

Remember the PS3's problem of having very few games in its first year of release? Rather than throwing large sums of cash at developers, Sony sent out PS3 development kits to all major developers and let them toy around with it. Sony relied on these developers to make the conscientious decision to develop for their console as well, rather than forcing them to with large amounts of money. This is why I have greater respect for Sony over MS.

Anyone here agree or disagree?

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Andysw
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 6:40:57 AM

I don't think they force developers to make games exclusive to their breakbox.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 4:57:56 PM

@Dancemachine55,
I agree with you in most of your post, but In answer to this part....
<<<< Is anyone else here aware that giving a developer lots of money to make a product exclusively for their console is just business?>>>>

In any other business but gaming, I think they'd be charged with a ton of white-collar crimes.

In my opinion, MS equates only as a company founded solely on practicing new forms of corporate espionage.

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Alienange
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 7:23:50 PM

Dancemachine55 you make a good point. Sony promotes fun and creativity while MS forces devs to view making games as business.

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Karosso
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 6:26:50 AM
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I will just buy the PS3 version ;)

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King James
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 10:32:37 AM

ha

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www
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 6:55:01 AM
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Whatever, at least my 360 game collection will increase. I don't see why i should worry when games like Uncharted 2 are so close. Leave this SC for 360 at least,they need it.

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slackernz
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 7:56:36 AM
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The game's available on PC for any PS3 owners dying to play it anyway.

Uncharted 2 and MW2 will be all I need this holidays...

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Naga
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 7:58:22 AM
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Brilliant One less Tom clancy game on the pre-owned shelves of Playstation

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pavlovic
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 9:06:16 AM
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"In a recent interview with Gameplayer.com.au, Splinter Cell Conviction producer and technical director Dany Lepage had this to say.

"It's NEVER gonna come out on the PS3 or the Wii." It's a logical decision. Nintendo's console simply doesn't have the graphical horsepower, and he candidly told Gameplayer.com.au how the PS3 can't handle AI nearly as well as the 360."

SO????

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King James
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 10:35:34 AM

He should tell that AI joke to Guerilla or Insomniac or Kojima Productions.

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 12:24:51 PM

That’s because the Cell Processor doesn’t have the computational power of the triple core processors in the Xbox360 to make intelligent AI “Sarcasm”. Sounds to me like he’s trying to blow a lot of smoke up people’s asses!

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 12:51:05 PM

That's because the Cell Processor doesn't have the computational power of the triple core processors in the Xbox360 to make intelligent AI "Sarcasm". Sounds to me like he's trying to blow a lot of smoke up people's asses!

Sorry about the post above guys.

Last edited by Dustinwp on 7/22/2009 12:51:28 PM

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Button Masher
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 9:29:09 AM
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I'm not concerned with 360 exclusivity. If we've learned nothing else in this console generation, we should realize it's only a matter of time before a more polished version appears on the PS3 with a couple of exclusive features thrown in for good measure.

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big6
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 9:55:29 AM
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I'm willing to bet the exlusivity deal with the Xbox will last for a maximum of 1 year. If the game is highly rated, then expect it to be released for the PS3 by Fall of 2010. I guarantee it.

Heck, even if it bombs, still expect it for the PS3 late next year, but with a slew of fixes and extras to entice the new buyers.

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CH1N00K
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 10:30:40 AM
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Meh, with all the games coming out this year that are exclusive to PS3, is this really a concern?

It will be interesting to see how this sells on the X-box though. For the amount of money MS probably paid to have it exclusive, if they don't make that back, you're not going to see too many more exclusives down the road.

Here's what's going to happen, the game will come out, there will be a little hype about how it's exclusive to the 360. The forums will fill up with reports of how the PS3 is doomed for not getting this game, a couple months will go by...and no one will care. It happened with Ninja Gaiden 2, it happened with GTA DLC, it happened with Gears and it happened with Halo.

After it's all said and done, the PS3 will still be too expensive, the Wii still won't have any games and the 360 will still be prone to meltdowns...This is the same story that's been going on for 3 years now. Has anyone seen any doom an gloom reports for Xbox with all the PS3 Exclusives this year? Except for Ben's piece on wondering what games to play?

I say that if Microsoft wants to buy this one, let them. It made good business sense on Ubisoft's part, they probably already made a profit on a game that hasn't launched yet. This means that they can take MS's money and develop better multli plat games down the road. How about a new Baldur's Gate? or Hawx 2?

Was this a good decision on MS's side? That remains to be seen. But I for one am not running out to buy a 360 for the few select games that I might want to play.

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Alienange
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 7:34:45 PM

Bzzzz OOOH ! You were on a roll there and then you mentioned Baldur's Gate. You have failed the factoid test.

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CH1N00K
Thursday, July 23, 2009 @ 8:34:46 AM

I was confused for a second..then I realized it was BioWare that did Baldur's gate...oops, okay I'll try to redeem myself. How about Assasins creed? (Okay they're already working on no.2)Or a better Armored Core? Or another heroes of might and magic? or far cry 2? Or maybe a new blow your mind IP that doesn't have Tom Clancy's name shamelessly splattered all over it?

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Alienange
Thursday, July 23, 2009 @ 9:46:46 PM

I'd go for a better Armored Core ... seems it's no longer possible to make good AC games.

Oh, and I have Far Cry 2 already. Tons of fun.

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King James
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 10:41:26 AM
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Gettin it on PC.

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JackieBoy
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 12:02:01 PM
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Like a give a flying flock about that game...

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Karosso
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 4:27:29 PM
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Did you guys check the graphs on this game? It looks almost as good as the first Farcry game LOL
Are PC devs just bad programmers or is the Xbox360 that limited?
Also the gameplay looks really lame. The first three games in the series were the best, everything after it is taking a turn to the worse... :-(

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Alienange
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 7:38:35 PM
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Achievement Unlocked: Bought Exclusive Game

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CH1N00K
Thursday, July 23, 2009 @ 8:35:14 AM

LOL

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Bugzbunny109
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 8:02:21 PM
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I actually don't care if SC doesn't come to the ps3. The 360 is in need for exclusives, so I say let tham have it. There are alot of good ps3 exclusives coming out this fall.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 8:13:25 PM
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@Onebunnyguy,
Here's a better idea.
Just Say no to MS.

Instead of throwing their tainted money around & polluting everyone else's air, microsoft could, and should, try to make some more of their own games.

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Bugzbunny109
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 10:26:59 PM

Who cares about what MS is doing? People are so concerned about what others are doing; that is why we have 10 year old kids fight online about video games. If you feel that MS is a lying and deceitful company, fine there is no problem in that because it is YOUR opinion. Let MS do what they want to do because at the end of the day, Sony will prevail. There is a myriad of good ps3 exclusives out there. If MS actions caused Sony to produce only 2 good exclusives in a year, then I would be just as enraged as you are, but Sony is already kicking ass on its own. There is no need to worry. As I said, xbox is in dire need of exclusives-good exclusives, so let them have it. I will forget about SC because I will be busy playing GOW3, Uncharted 2, Ninja Gaiden sigma 2, and MAG………

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Strker777
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 10:00:55 PM
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The money throwing and unsavory business practices of M$ piss me off.
Hey M$
pull ur business tactics elsewhere. Quit ruining the gamming industry for the rest of us gamers.
Oh well I might as well get this on PC!:)

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Jian2069
Thursday, July 23, 2009 @ 7:48:00 PM
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Saying MGS4 is the best game of the year is an understatement.
It's not just about the graphics and gameplay, if you've played that game beginning to end you know what I'm talking about, that game is breathtaking, it pulls you in. Remember in the end when you thought snake shot himself in the face? You cried, so did I.

That is Metal Gear Solid.

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SubjectiveTruth
Sunday, July 26, 2009 @ 8:58:41 PM
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HOw about we start a website or something where every gamer willing to buy splintercell conviction if it comes out on ps3 goes and gives there name(maybe drivers license number or something to avoid fake input)and if we get enough people on there we will outweigh the money MS if offering.

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