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Carmack: PS4 May Hit Shelves First, Optical Drive In Question

Most people agree that the next generation of consoles is still a ways off, especially in regards to Sony. They have often said the PlayStation 3 has a 10-year lifespan and we're less than 3 years in...but this hasn't stopped speculation on the PS4.

id Software's Technical Director John Carmack says that although the next PlayStation machine isn't exactly around the corner, he believes Sony may want to be the first to market. This would be in an effort to get the jump on Microsoft and Nintendo, as they did back in 2000 when they launched the PS2 a full year ahead of the Xbox and GameCube. In an interview with MCV, Carmack said:

"The whole jockeying for who's going to release the first next-gen console is very interesting and pretty divorced from the technical side of things. Whether Sony wants to jump the gun to prevent the same sort of 360 lag from happening to them again seems likely."

He went on to say that he'd like to see the current generation "stretch as long as possible," probably so they - as developers - have more time to become accustomed to the hardware. But he also brought up another point, and it's one that analysts and journalists have been debating since the advent of digital downloads: might the next round of consoles be without an optical disc drive for physical media? Might they simply operate entirely off digital downloads? Well, Carmack believes that at least one of them will:

"I think there's a decent chance that one of the next-gen consoles will be without optical media. The uptake rates of people who have broadband connects surprised everyone this generation. It's higher than what the core publishers and even the first party people expected."

Well, that may be, but I still want my game collection. You know, the one I can see and touch. The one with box art; the tangible thing I can point to and say, "that's mine. That's years and years of collecting." But hey, I'm old-school. I guess new gamers have no interest in that type of thing.

8/11/2009 Ben Dutka

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Hezzron
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:03:36 AM
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Carmack.....he must smoke some great weed.

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tes37
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:47:32 PM

He may have smoked himself retarded.

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LowKey
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 12:42:32 AM

He's either smoking some really expensive weed or some really cheap crack. I think buddy's huffin a little glue also.

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Thrill Kill
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:03:47 AM
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hmmmm

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mexgeo86
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:07:52 AM
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I know I've said this before, but digital media eliminates the possibility to get a refund or an exchange from the vendor. Also, some of us don't have the premium or fastest internet plans/connections so it's going to be difficult to opt for full digital games that are in double digit GB downloads. Finally, if there is no disc drive then how big is the hard drive going to be? 500GB, 1TB, or more?

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PS3addict
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:14:16 AM

Umm, once you open the game you own it. Regardless if is is downloaded or purchased, once the seal is broken, that game is yours....
Yeah the issue with only didgital media wil also have problems with recovery as well. I do not want to recover 500gb of data if my HDD dies. There are also ISP's that charge you additional fees if you go over your max bandwidth.

Last edited by PS3addict on 8/11/2009 11:14:59 AM

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mexgeo86
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:20:45 AM

My apologies...I did a quick search of major retailers' return policies and you are correct. Opened video games are non returnable.

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jaybiv
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:53:09 AM

Digital downloads also kill the used game market too. I hope this isn't true. I don't mind downloadin a $5 or $10 game direct to the hard drive, but full retail game downloads would not be fun!

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nath08
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:06:05 PM

-PS3ADDICT- yes, that may be true, so why cant you walk into a store, the the box of the game, then walk out without paying? afterall, like you said, once you break the seal, that game is your's!

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Bagmup
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 2:39:03 AM

EB games in Australia has a seven day return policy, opened, played, whatever, it's called the EB rental program lol

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 5:43:08 AM

thats right, I work at an EB Games in a Sydney store. 7 days to play it, as long as its brought back in same condition as purchased, you get your refund. Scratches or damage to disc, book or cover means swap only.

It's a good system. I love working there. :-D

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Warukyure [Power User]
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:08:54 AM
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How about you stop talking Carmack and try to fix Rage, huh? Or are you trying to do this to detour people of its shortcomings? Good Luck...

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yak4life85
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:10:56 AM
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What a waste of an article! Way too early to even talk about ps4. When we're trying to confirm on something more simple like ps3 slim release date. Don't you think?

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bOnEs
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:19:02 AM
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i don't like the idea of digital copies for games... that's gonna be one hell of an installation on the HD once you download it... i mean, PS3 saves some game data to the HD so it can run smoother... imagine if it stores the entire game... we're talking about installations at like 100GB a piece (maybe not that big but, not small either)... i don't see what's wrong with offering both the disc and the digital one for those geekers out there who crave new technology... and for the old school guys like myself that enjoy looking at my collection, not scrolling through menus to find it...

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kevinater321
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:20:26 AM
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I'm not an old school gamer at all and i love the feeling of driving off to eb games and buying a new game. If movies don't go digital then games will not either.

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jaybiv
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:06:11 PM

I feel ya my dude. I love driving home with a new game sitting right next to you in the car. I try to read the instructions and such at stoplights. Ahhhh, simple pleasures.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:21:13 PM

It's the highlight of any game buying experience, whether it was when I was a kid holding the game while my dad drove me home from the store or now when I practically wanna seatbelt the thing into the seat next to me on the way home from Best Buy to the cracking of the fresh plastic I love that experience.

You see, that is a foreplay I can truly enjoy ;)

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sunspider13
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 3:01:34 PM

I remember when I first bought my PS with the left over money I had to pay for school. Looking though the many games, looking at the box art, reading the back to get a feeling of what the game might be like. And then talking with the guy at the counter about what I liked and what he thought I would like. I ended up buying FFVII, C:SotN, and Einhander that day and a way of life started.

I don't mind buying digital games like Ratchet Quest for Booty and the like, but full games? Nah wouldn't do it. I'm still looking for games for my PS and PS2 collection. It would be a sad day for gamers if and when for that happens.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:24:33 AM
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I want my physical media.

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ThePearlJamer
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:20:29 PM

I'm not opposed to having both around, but for the foreseeable future it's still physical media for me...

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migabyte
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 8:36:23 PM

I have a couple things to say about this. First is that while I have no problem with buying digital games. I am not about to fork over 60$ or more for something I can't resell, or lend to a friend. This is what is wrong with this business model. Also all the money that they save from not having to manufacture it should not just go into the pockets of the developers. I need to see some of those savings. Also PS3 will be around for a long time. History has shown that Sony supports it's systems, and I don't see that trend changing.

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SkantDragon
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:25:07 AM
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People that live in areas with strong emphasis on technology and strong internet access tend to forget that most of the world... even most of the United States... is not like that.

Most people are not technogeeks living in a place like Silicon Valley. Arguments about digital downloads tend to include the merits of it for technically oriented people only... and it's questionable even then. But for all the people who aren't technical...

Anyone who wants to argue that downloads are about to take over should try making a list of the complete number of steps necessary to go from opening your brand new PS3 box to playing your first downloaded PSN game.

It's _A LOT_ of steps. And it takes a lot of time and technical knowledge. And there's a lot of potential difficulties when setting it up, too. In fact, most customers are probably not technically savvy enough to do it without help. They have to call their technically oriented friends to help out.

And then think about that versus taking the PS3 out of its box, plugging it in, putting a Blu-ray in the drive, and just playing.

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Imagi
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:47:02 AM

I disagree, if a system was download only it would be part of the first run wizard, and the system would state that an internet connection was required for use.
Steps..

1:) Buy console,
2:) plug into TV, sound system etc..
3:) Turn on
4:) Internet access selection wizard (Access point/cat5)
5:) Enter existing account details or create a new account
6:) Download game
7:) Play

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jaybiv
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:10:07 PM

Disagree yo. A first run wizard does not guarantee connection for someone who doesn't know much about the technology.

Add to the fact that so many things can go wrong before a digital download can run, as a consumer, I wouldn't want to waste my time and energy on it. I'd rather go to the store, buy a disc and pop it in. That's just me.

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ShadowRunner
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:50:33 PM

@ Imagi
But the time between steps 6 and 7 would be hours or even days depending on your connection speed

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:25:24 PM

Internet connection wizards almost never work, and when they do they don't work properly. Your average schmo wouldn't be able to do what I had to do, like log into the router, change the setting to open all the proper ports and turn off the DHCP so the system's assigned IP has all the proper access. Demilitarized etc.

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Imagi
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:53:47 PM

Well first off I am not in favour of such a system, this is all just hypothetical.

Connection speed is a separate issue and am sure would be part or the requirements so it would be the consumers problem. for example, it is not the manufactures problem if you buy a TV and have no TV signal coverage in your area.

Almost all of today's routers/gateway devices have upnp, dynamic ports or similar. IP6 may even be the standard at such a time, either way getting connected is getting easier everyday, so in a few years even a complete technophobe shouldn't break a sweat.

Besides everyone here managed to get their PS3's online, their much of a difference?

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oldmike
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 4:24:42 PM

yes but how many ppl will want to BUY that PS4
thats why Onlive will not work
to make cash you want it so any one can use it
not just the top 10% of homes

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SkantDragon
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 9:02:02 PM

Imagi: Your listed steps #4 - #6 make it sound simpler than it really is by listing an entire process as a single step.

Break it down to the level of button pushes and menu selections. What you've listed as only three 'steps' is actually a great many steps.

Think, for instance, of how many button presses it takes on a PS3 controller just to type in your account name.

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Imagi
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 2:18:41 AM

The process could be be encompassed within a single page view/step, once again I was replying regarding a hypothetical download only system, NOT the PS4. If you want to know what I think of this article, scroll down to read what I said before I replied to this post.

A download only system in inevitable, it may be 10, 20 or 50 years away, but it will arrive. The Nintendo Dsi with DSiWare is a good example of such a thing happening now.

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Ogibillm
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:32:39 AM
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i don't know kids... i might have thought he was wrong a while back. but broadband is getting into more and more homes.

but i don't think that's what will drive us away from an optical media. flash memory is getting cheaper and cheaper. i think we may actually see a move (likely by nintendo) back to cartridges.

so you could buy your online and download, or purchase it at your local game retailer already loaded up on a flash drive ready to be installed on you machine's hard drive.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:28:12 PM

If that happens, I want a bloody price drop of at least 5-10 bucks. If they no longer have shipping costs or manufacturing costs (Disc, manual, and case) then the loss of my collection warrants a break in price.

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Imagi
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:33:27 AM
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The PS4 is so far off it is not worth talking about, everybody wants their ROI yet. Optical/solid state storage will be part of the next gen, their is still a huge proportion of people with no or slow internet connections.

I have always prefered physical media for my games, I hold back from buying any new downloadable game now from PSN just because I have bought titles in the past, only to realise within the first minute of playing it that it is not for me (their should be a timed refund period i.e 24hrs after installation when no demo exists).

Downloadable versions of games is inevitable we will likely see games available in stores and on-line initially just like Warhawk did (though it was cheaper to buy a physical copy in stores than online ...wtf..).

Games publishers would like to go all downloadable as it stops the used games market, stops piracy and cuts the game medium production costs, I think we the consumer will be the one that looses out though.

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Victor321
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:33:34 AM
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I might be 15, but I grew up to love owning physical things. So that mentality will stick with me even until my adult years XD

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Baconator101
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:38:11 AM
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Well what about DVDs and Blu-ray? The Blu-ray player has been a helpful selling point for the PS3. I don't know, maybe I'm not thinking next gen.

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newchef
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:43:14 AM
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the only upside that i see so far for all digital media games is that it will most likely be cheaper because u dont need the price of production of the disks, the storage fees or distribution fees....however since were prolly gonna be used to the $60 price tag publishers may just exploit that and make a couple extra bucks off each sale

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:55:10 AM
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Carmack's a smart guy. However for Sony to push PS4 out the door ahead of everyone else, it will have to be a straight evolution of the PS3, the cost of an entirely new architecture would be way too high in the short term.

If PS4 arrives in the shorter term Carmack is thinking, I'm thinking that it'd be a new Cell chip that's several times more powerful than the current one, sufficiently powerful to handle real time ray tracing work. To meet an accelerated timeline, I'd bet on an uprated RSX that maintains backwards compatibility, but uses wider buses. Since memory is relatively cheap, and Sony is aware of the memory issues that have led to criticism of the PS3 I'd imagine that a PS4 produced in the short rather than long term would include at least 4GB of XDR and at least 512MB of GDDR3 for the GPU. Other than that, I'd expect the PS3 would remain relatively unchanged.

I'll tell you what though, the roadmap IBM has/had for Cell results in a very powerful chip in about 2012. A game console with one of those babies and an evolved RSX would be very, very nice. Remember that the console only has to push 1080p images at most, so an evolved RSX design with more memory (HDR lighting and FSAA/AF) would be more than capable enough. If the new Cell could handle real time ray tracing at 1080 resolutions with the GPU to help apply full screen effects, you'd have a beast.

I have to believe that a long term replacement for PS3 would follow similar lines since doing otherwise scraps the entire investment of the PS3 generation, as well as the compatibility with PS3 generation development. There has been a lot of talk that Sony would select Intel's parallel processing Larrabee chip as their future GPU, and they could do that. A combination of the next Cell BE and Larrabee would be very powerful with regards to physics engines and the requirements of real time ray tracing.

Sony are a smart enough organization to recognize the importance of BOTH digital distribution and physical distribution, especially with regards to in-home video game consoles. Not everyone has broadband, and not all that do have it, have good broadband. So moving exclusively to digital distribution is not possible yet, you exclude too many potential consumers. Besides, they are a major player in BluRay, which isn't going to disappear any time in the next 10-20 years. Not only that, but BluRay can be extended by adding layers, and existing players can be updated by firmware to play quad layer discs, perhaps more. Optical discs are therefore still a very good option for Sony.

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:11:40 PM

i believe your referring to the IBM Sequoia

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jaybiv
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:15:55 PM

Nice observation. When I first heard about the PS4, I immediately thought continuation of the PS3. If Sony goes this route, they could possibly come in at a lower price point since the bulk of the investment came from developing the Cell for the PS3.

I wouldn't be surprised to see something towards the end of 2010/early 2011.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:09:04 PM

Sequoia isn't a single chip, it will be a massively parallel processing super computer when built. It'll be based on a CPU built with the 45nm process which may well be a Cell chip. IBM used the PowerCell processors in the current Roadrunner system. PowerCell is a development on the Cell architecture specifically targeted at improving double precision math performance.

The most recent IBM roadmap for the Cell (at least the most recent one anyone's actually seen) calls for a Cell with 4PPUs and 32SPU/SPEs. Since we already know that there have been considerable enhancements to the Double precision performance of the SPEs with the PowerCell CPU, as well as enhancements to the single precision performance, we can expect to see something in excess of 5 times the current performance coming from that future Cell chip, at the same clock speed. It'll also have the ability to switch to a compatibility mode for existing Cell applications.

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:20:26 PM

Alright got ya. i just saw IBM and 2012 and i remembered Sequoia, sorry.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:35:33 PM

Highlander, how does your brain not explode?

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:53:08 PM

I'm not sure, the thing is, it's great at snagging tech trivia and what not and terrible at lots of other things.

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fluffer nutter
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:00:49 PM

You mentioned Roadrunner. Nice!

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djjake
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:55:30 AM
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i prefer physical media, means i can sell it on, look for cheaper copies from retailers and means that if somethings wrong i can get my money back easier

just don't like the whole downloading games, would take to much memory and use all my bandwidth

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mexgeo86
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 3:06:27 PM

plus, physical media can be traded or lent to friends

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:59:32 AM
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You know they could do the whole thing that DVDs and Bluray did, give a digital copy with the physical media.

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:06:50 PM
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Why do all of you have bandwidth caps? where do you guys live, here in Indiana, we dont have any. Thats weird.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:14:18 PM

Indiana is a small corner of the world, open your eyes to a bigger picture. Just because you have no bandwidth cap, does not mean that others do not.

Bandwidth caps are common in other countries and some parts of the US have them also. Many consumers don't even have a broadband link, and many that do have access speeds that are in the 1-2Mbit/second range which is simply not quick enough to deliver significant amounts of digital media.

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:27:08 PM

i was just asking because a small place like Indiana dont have them but yet alot of bigger places do. So dont freak out on me, i was just asking.

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The Stig
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:16:46 PM

Hey JMO, I have no idea how big the population in Indiana is but your saying its a small place. So this would mean that less people are using the bandwith so ISPs will be less likely to enforce caps. Where as high population areas will have a high demand on bandwith so ISPs might cap your usage to ensure a fair and even service to everyone.

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:19:21 PM

Yeah its 6,376,792 people. Not very big at all. But yeah i guess your right, i really didnt think that through.

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bridgera
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:23:11 PM

"Why do all of you have bandwidth caps?"
"open your eyes"

Oh give me a break, he just asked a question. Your response was an overreaction.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:37:21 PM

@bridgera
If suggesting that someone open their eyes is an over reaction, I'm guessing that an irritated or terse response would be akin to thermo nuclear war?

The world would be a far nice place if people would learn to stop looking for and taking offense at every turn.

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bridgera
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 9:17:22 PM

So your position is that you said nothing insulting/condescending at all and that I am merely a person looking to take offense at nothing?

My position is that "open your eyes" implies that he somehow had his eyes shut and that he was unwilling to accept how anyone else's situation could be different than his own, but that was not at all the case, he acknowledged people were in different situations and wanted more information, so he asked a question.

You may not have intended to talk down to that guy, but that's how it seemed to come off.

The world would be a much better place if people would just answer other people's questions without talking down to those asking.

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nath08
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:11:29 PM
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MEGA bad idea! 0_o wheres the point in only digital download media at all? most of the world lacks in the things needed to do this, or to do this fast enough at least. most of the world doesnt even have a computer or has no capability of broaband at all, in some countrys there best retail computers belong in museums!

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Danny007
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:12:47 PM
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I wonder what the PS4 is going to look like

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:37:34 PM

It will be a walking talking smokin android babe that plays your games and gives you a reacharound at the same time.

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mexgeo86
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 3:09:35 PM

and it will make you eggs and Bacon upon request

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NoSmokingBandit
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:44:43 PM
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Theres no way that in 5-6 years that people will be able to download 50gb+ games. Even if the whole world has a 12Mb connection it would take an individual 9.5 hours (if i did my math right, which i doubt) to download MGS4. Sure, nobody knows what is going to happen to tech in the future, but i doubt physical media will be on its way out soon.

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 12:47:43 PM

my internet connection status says, Speed: 100.0 Mbps and im running it through fiber optics, am i missing something is my internet above average? im confused.Cause i dont think its any faster then your guys'.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:15:56 PM

The average internet connection in the US is simple DSL, it's standard telephone wires, twin pairs of copper wire. The average speed of that connection is 2Mbits/second, which is 1/50th of your claimed speed. Fiber to the home is not common at all, and only available - generally speaking - in urban areas that are well served by Cable companies. Your connection speed (if it is indeed 100Mbit/second, is very uncommon.

Actually I'd double check that speed by going to DSLreports (.com) and running some speed checks. Most home routers run at 100Mbits/second, it's the most common speed. You may be seeing the speed of your ethernet connection being reported and not your Internet.

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NoSmokingBandit
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:48:46 PM

jmo_INDY:
Although everyone else kinda beat me to it, i had most of this typed out before i realized it, lol. Ethernet cards are built with 10/100 or 10/100/1000 Mbit support. That just means that your card maxes out at 100Mb/s, not that your connection is that fast. A 100Mb connection would be equal to about 12Megabytes/Second, which is insanely fast.

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:06:14 PM

its fine dude, yeah i got about 10 to 12 running, i tested it, but thanks.

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:09:09 PM

I have Endeavor Communications its a local ISP and telephone and TV, all three come underground in the fiber optics. and where i live is where there testing it out for the companies first time.we have Fiber Optics and everything is underground.Its pretty cool because it never shuts down during bad weather.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:45:02 PM

Yeah, your winters can be bad up there in Indiana. We don't have the winter problems (except a bad ice storm every 5-10 years) here, but Tornadoes and dercho wind storms have knocked out power for days at a time 3 times in the last 5 years alone. The problem is that they string everything on wooden poles instead of being logical and burying everything.

Your fiber connection should be super fast in multi-player games, I bet you never lag.

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:56:01 PM

I havent lagged yet, i just hope MAG works out well. But yeah were in the middle of Tornado Alley.

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CONTRABAND
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 6:33:29 PM

im geting 20.25mb/s not bad but still way to slow for a full game

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Thrill Kill
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:09:39 PM
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100mbps...hahah, kid you are funny

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:13:15 PM

thats what it says at the bottom of my screen, it says 100.0 Mbps, im not kidding, im not sure what it means, but it says Internet speed, 100.0 mbps.This is exactly what it reads,

Local Area Connection 3
Speed: 100.0 Mbps
Status: Connected

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:16:29 PM

Local Area Connection - that's your local network, not your Internet connection.

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:30:00 PM

well ok then, anyone else think thrill kill is a jackass? But anyways i looked it up on my homepage and its 10.Mbps my internet speed is, well ok then thanks highlander.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:39:44 PM

jmo, mine says the same thing most of the time, if you want to know what your running at, head on over to speedtest dot net

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:43:11 PM

ok, will do

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CONTRABAND
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 6:32:02 PM

im geting 20.25mb/s not bad but still way to slow for a full game

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whooka
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:34:56 PM
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With all due respect to Carmack, isn't the PS3 a next-gen console? And with all the initial whining developers did about the PS3 why any of them would be thinking PS4 at the moment is beyond me. There's alot to learn still, gentlemen, keep reading those PS3 developer's guides!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 1:45:31 PM
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No matter how big a hard drive for a PS4 or xbox720 is, the damn thing can get full, What then? The outer shell probably isn't going to be able to hold a bunch of hard drives, so then what? We start adding eyesore external drives until there is a small city of them in your entertainment center?

Every time I get booted offline during a download, even though it continues later, the download is corrupt and won't install.

There are plenty more reasons why an optical drive is necessary so Carmack needs to get out of his tech bubble where everything is set up to work perfectly 24 hours a day and take a look at the crap service a lot of us get (I'm looking at you Comcast) And yeah, STOP talking about a PS4 right now.

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Qubex
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 1:21:28 AM

World... I think there will have to be an online storage solution. Knowing the corporates, a PS4 version of PSN, or whatever it evolves into, will probably be a paid service... or at least the premium part.

The premium part my come with "storage" so your collection is always available but stored centrally. It already is anyway, because you can always go to your "downloads" and "download" software or demos you may want to re-install...

Whatever happens, we will all have to get used to giga bytes upon giga bytes of media in the future...

Q!

"i am home"

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Thrill Kill
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:30:52 PM
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you,little boy,are the pot calling the kettle black. you never bring anything to the table.

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Thrill Kill
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:32:40 PM

oh...and you remind of the little kids that stand around arcades and try to tell you how to play...i want to backhand you.

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JMO_INDY
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:35:00 PM
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Ohhh, but ur Proactive comment was helping things out?, ur real clever, grow up and leave me alone you. Cause as of now im denying your existence.I wont talk to or about you, and you do the same. ok? deal?

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Thrill Kill
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:39:35 PM

ok merlin, i dont exist...poof..

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cheng
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 2:53:59 PM
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man,what's with the hate towards carmack???the man just says sony might push their next gen console out earlier than microsoft to secure a better position, and that could be like 6 or 7 years from now, so chill folks lol

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 3:21:16 PM

methinks people don't like the idea of no optical drives.

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Robochic
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 3:55:15 PM
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Hmmm Can't see this happening anytime soon. I also like having the actual game in my hands i get excited during christmas opening up what i know is a game.

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www
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 4:05:28 PM
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As much as i don't want to think about a PS4 right now lets look at this. What if the PS3 Slim we think is coming too early isn't actually early, cause the ps3's end is near thus reason for the slim lol. What a great shock it would be,but i gotta feeling Sony will live up to their word, about the 10 year life cycle.

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Danny007
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 4:29:12 PM
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Just wait, tomorrow there will be leaked photos of the PS4. LOL

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Reccaman18
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 5:40:18 PM
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I think its way to early to say right now. Who knows for sure what the future will bring? Except for Doc. Brown. Too bad the Dalorian is all busted up.

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Xodiak
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 6:31:31 PM
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It won't happen, all you have to do is think holidays grandma and grandpa want to get something for the kids to unwrap and honestly how much fun is it going to be for them to go out and buy a gift card so the kid can buy the game he wants online? When they will probably just buy the game if they can in person. Marketing is all about packaging and digital downloads have non of it, which makes them extremely hard to market to the masses. No there wont be an entirely downloadable system unless there is two models one that takes physical media and the other that is downloadable media only. The PSP is a perfect example of this, there has to be choice.

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CONTRABAND
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 6:32:12 PM
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im geting 20.25mb/s not bad but still way to slow for a full game

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 7:53:25 PM

We heard you the first time. : )

You should be able to delete your excess posts when this happens...just click on the trash can icon.

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CONTRABAND
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 9:21:59 PM

hmmmm first time iv had that happen.

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Jed
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 6:47:27 PM
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The biggest problem I see with this is that our game consoles are for more than just video games. Ever since the PS2 came out we have been watching DVDs, now we are watching blu-rays. We are ripping Cds onto the hard drive.

I don't think Sony or anyone else would like to drop all that functionality. Besides, it's not like we can't have both.

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Ricochet
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 7:36:59 PM
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If the PS3 wins this console generation then it wouldn't matter whether they release first or last just as long as they release it on their time.

But continuing on to this topic, I think John Carmack is underestimating the potential of disc media. Point being is that the games get larger and larger, the internet connection - unfortunately - do not upgrade as quickly.

MGS4, Killzone 2, possibly Uncharted 2 and future games are utilizing dual-layer Blu-ray discs (you'd think a single-layer would've sufficed). Now unless you want your console running 24/7 for about a month before you get your game than this is the future for you. Even if the next gen consoles uses the "optical" broadband, you're most likely going to reduce the download time by 70%.

John Carmack doesn't also seem to get the idea that there are already 400GB Blu-ray discs that can be read through a simple update on the Blu-Ray players/PS3. Ironically his upcoming game RAGE, supposedly takes way too much space, and if he really wanted to promote such an idea he would make the game an "available-download....on-Steam." Such out-dated thinking concept may have worked on the previous console generation. Oh wait, he has the same mindset as the 360 fanboys unaccepting of futuristic media.

It's not whether a user wants a physical media or not but rather how the media can be brought to them CONVENIENTLY. And soft-copied media concept have just been thrown out the window.

Unless of course he's thinking that the future consoles will utilize similar service like Gaikai or Onlive. If you can remember the size of the OnLive console.... no need to continue from there.

All in all Blu-Ray is the natural enemy to downloadable games as the capacity does not balance the potential of the broadband nowadays. Maybe the PS4/PSQuad/PSDelta will utilize 400GB and god forbid 1TB Blu-ray discs. And the way the internet connection pace is going it's not fast enough to keep up.

Just my two cents.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 7:58:16 PM

+1 for using "ironically" correctly

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 9:05:28 PM
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Thrill Kill: As far as I can tell, you're the "little boy" in the group.

Grow up.

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dveisalive
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 9:30:33 PM
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I believe that Physical Media is going to be around for the next 5-10 years from Now. Ps4 may not come until 2012-2016. It's only a matter of time when CGI graphics come into real time for a console. Even though by the coming years Movie technology will be on to something more advanced.I mean blueray hasn't yet to be use fully as well as the PS3. The thing that makes me mad is when developers or the Manufactures dont take advantage of their Jobs/Consoles etc...

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BigBoss4ever
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 10:13:01 PM
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"...but I still want my game collection. You know, the one I can see and touch. The one with box art; the tangible thing I can point to and say, "that's mine. That's years and years of collecting." --- Agree fully and give 1000 points on that Ben. Digital copy wont make me exciting at all, I like the feeling of holding my limited edition copy and turn it over and over in my hand or put aside my desk and stare at the box art and booklet for hours, that happiness is unspeakable.

if this is old school, then i say probably most of us on this site are old school, which is the best of gaming era.

p.s. I dont need a PS4 now, let alone a digital PS4. I need quality PS3 JRPG and Action/Adventures, mass produce those.

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LowKey
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 12:44:56 AM

LMFAO Boss, you da man.

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Milonakis
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:18:00 PM
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I like this idea if download sharing rules still apply like on the ps3. I'm all for 12 dollar games.

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Riku994
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 @ 11:49:44 PM
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For me, taking the disc out of a new case and putting it in the console is one of the best parts of getting a new game! I'm with you Ben!

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thepill
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 12:09:38 AM
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the day we go digital only is the day I stop playing new games.

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LowKey
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 12:43:30 AM

Here Here Pill, I second that one.

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556pineapple
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 12:40:29 AM
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I agree with the whole tangibility aspect of a collection. That and quality. In order for a game to be a reasonable download size, they would probably have to do a lot of compression, which hurts the quality. Even though Sony keeps records of who bought what digital game or movie or whatever, I still like the warm, fuzzy feeling of a 5 inch plastic disc that holds the game or album or movie. If my hard drive gets wiped, I only lost one of my investments, not all of them.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 12:56:11 AM
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I'm glad so many people still want to keep the physical media around. It's a good sign. :)

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Banky A
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 1:52:20 AM
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I am not intelligent enough to join in these debates without getting hate replies ;)

But I love my discs.

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___________
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 4:13:56 AM
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theres no way the next consoles will be download only.
making the psp go download only was a massive mistake.
unless there planing to release them in minimum 5 years time the games are far to large to download, the smallest ps3 game ive found to download is 12GBs thats almost my download usage gone on 1 game.
and download speeds are far to slow, it took me 75 minutes to download the batman AA demo and thats 1.4GBs imagine how long 12GBs would take.
and thats with my new router im getting a higher download rate now, i dont even want to imagine how long it would of taken with my old one.
5 years time yea ok i can believe that and it should be feasible the tech should be up to speed but anything before that forget it.
but i cant see this ever becoming a reality.
i think streaming will take place of downloading games like onlive.
why download a whole game wasting hours when you can get onlive turn the thing on and be playing the game in minutes no download no waiting no lag just switch and play.
thats the future of games, why download them when you can stream them and get the same quality.

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Byakko2009
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 6:21:20 AM

Up until you called Onlive the future of gaming, you sounded like you were making a good point. *facepalm* Where's Highlander? I bet he'd be having a field day with those last few sentences in your comment lol. As for PSP-Go, it's no mistake. If anything, it's a great idea to see how many gamers are interested in downloadable games. Personally, I love the design so I'm getting one. Still, I'm with many of you guys as I prefer having physical copies.

The "future of gaming" in my opinion, will have both options available. Not just because some of us prefer physical media, but because there are too many questions that don't have definite answers. I'm sure a digital downloadable world is every third-party publishers dream as it would cut their costs tremendously. Again though, it just doesn't seem feasible as we have too many homes without quality broadband connections. I just can't picture the average joe gamer downloading Call of Duty 6 with today's broadband.

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Highlander
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 2:35:46 PM

Um, the thing you seem to be ignoring is that Sony hasn't made the PSP a download only platform. What they have done is force the issue of digital distribution via download by adopting a twin track approach. PSP is a dual format platform, UMD or Download. The PSP Go is download only, the original PSP models work either way. Personally I think it's exactly the right approach for the transition to download distribution. Right now the infrastructure will not truly support the download of full PS3 game titles or full HD content, the bandwidth just isn't there for the vast majority of consumers. However the infrastructure is good enough to distribute PSP games since they have a relatively modest size. So they've moved to add digital distribution to the PSP, but by keeping the PSP-3000 (and perhaps a 4000) Sony also ensures that those without the network capability are not left out.

It's a very smart approach - IMHO.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 6:01:17 AM
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The 360 update just came out, and it offers full 360 games at full price to download.

- Mass Effect on 360 as digital download
- $99.95 (or 60 for the US)
- 6.9 GB
- Here in Aus, I have 12 gig monthly limit

So, why the hell should I have to blow more than half my DL limit for the month and pay more than twice as much for a digital download of a game?!?!?! It really is stupid to go digital only.

I'm fine with both physical media and digital downloads being available, but the first machine to go download only for ALL games, even the big 50 gig size games like MGS4, are going to be the first machine to die.

REMEMBER!!!! I live in Australia, and many like me do not have net capabilities like Japan or US. Small arcade games are fine as DL only, but full big budget games MUST remain on disc in order to sell.

The day that Sony goes digital only for the Playstation home console will be the day I lose hope in Sony and move to Nintendo as my primary gaming console.

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KoldStrejke
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 11:42:52 AM
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carmack is a huge @#$|< smoker, downloadable content is way over priced I will never buy DLC strictly, Its Always gonna be physical media or nothing.

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KoldStrejke
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 11:46:46 AM
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All these producers are money grubbing fag whores that release games with less content only to “TRY” and sell the DLC for more profit. the DLC should have been in the game at release. if you cant fit it in then dont release it yet freakin fag whores.

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___________
Thursday, August 13, 2009 @ 8:50:26 AM

thats all good and dandy.
just 1 problem john Carmack is a DEVELOPER not a PUBLISHER.

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Milonakis
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 11:52:52 AM
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I agree. I want physical media, and I must say, living in Australia would suck giant floppy donkey sticks. A download limit! I download so much stuff, I would shoot myself before I had a 12gb download limit.

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Ultimate_Balla
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 1:17:57 PM
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Completely Agree Yo. Takes Like 3Hours And A Half To Download A Firmware Update On My Ps3 :-/. . . ID: $Ultimate_Balla$, South African Gamers Plz Add Me

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dveisalive
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 @ 8:15:09 PM
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You might complain about your limitations but in the distant future We will have N wired/wireless connections that will have 5-10 the speed of G/B connections which are a pain in the ass for everyone. Even though you can buy N routers now but the Servers still run on B/G.

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wiiplay
Saturday, August 15, 2009 @ 12:34:32 PM
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I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but if not, I'll say it now:

I do not want a console to be downloads only!
For people without credit cards, and for people with slow, or no internet connection, it would make the console completely useless!
And what abut our music CDs? How are we going to put our huge collection of music onto our next generation consoles? A digital download service?
Well, that would be stupid! If I have to pay to download the CD I have owned for 10 years, well, I just wouldn't do it!

Anyways, if this ends up to be true, no more video games for me! (Cries)

They would lose a whole bunch of users who do not have credit cards!
And if the next generation of video games still uses hard drives, then we would be limited to how many games we can buy! Doesn't matter if I have a 500GB hard drive, or a 4TB hard drive! Eventually, no matter what I do, the space will be gone, and the games will be gone!
But what happens if we use "Cloud Gaming"?
We still need a credit card, and last time I checked, not every single person who owns a PS3 has a credit card!
So it is completely pointless, and I will not be buying the PS4 if it uses downloadable only! (I'm not buying the PSP Go neither, because it would only serve as a paper weight)


And the best part is! No one is ever going to see my comment because this article is a couple days old!

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LastHour
Saturday, August 15, 2009 @ 1:41:34 PM
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Yeah, digital distribution won't work for consoles. It barely works for PC. I only use Steam because that's the only way I can play Team Fortress 2. I do have to admit though, on PC, with Steam, even though I've lost my CD key for Half-Life 2, I've reinstalled it about a dozen times without a problem. It just takes FOREVER to download.

I have a higher end cable connection. It's pretty fast, and I like it. I only ever lag over PSN or Xbox Live if I'm doing some massive download of like the N64 GoodSet or something. But it's still WAY too slow for downloading games, let alone PlayStation 3 games. When I first got my PlayStation 3, I got LittleBigPlanet (amazing game BTW, makes me wonder why I didn't get a PS3 sooner) I spent like 30 minutes just downloading and installing patches. That's a lot of time for me when I just bought a game on the disc (sorry, but that's where Xbox Live has PSN, one patch, one time. Other than that, they're both great.)

You also have to realize that faster connections might come sooner than we realize. Remember a few years ago, your connection back in like 2004 or 05. Think about how long it would take to download a game like Crysis or Far Cry 2. Now, we can download it in a few hours. Compare that to the days it would have taken if we were to do that with a slower DSL connection.

Still, I do like holding the game in my hands. Nothing beats the smell of fresh instruction book! I support optical media all the way. DVD, BD-ROM, hell, even cartridge, I don't care, I just like to hold the game, in my hands, something that, like someone said, I can claim as -mine-.

Also, I will be buying a PSP Go! because I like the way it looks, it will fit better in my pocket (not that the 1000 fit badly, but I always worried about breaking it when I sat down). I don't like the whole downloadable games thing, but they're PSP games, and they break very easily, so it works there. Also nice how they're keeping the 3000, for people who have no connection or more commonly, no wireless connection. But the version of LittleBigPlanet PSP I download better cost at least 15 bucks less than the UMD version.

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SirLoin of Beef
Saturday, August 15, 2009 @ 6:52:06 PM
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XBL just had an update a few days ago where you can now download entire 360 games to the hard drive. If this is successful (and I hope it isn't), then this could start the move away from games on tangible media to digital distribution.

Personally, I'd rather have the game on a disc. It just feels more secure to have it physically there, just in case something happens to the storage medium and an entire library can be nuked.

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CptGreedle
Saturday, August 15, 2009 @ 11:37:38 PM
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This is exactly the same debate as the Blu-ray vs digital downloads debate. While extra content which can be downloaded is great, having the physical media for the main event is still preferred for movies and games. Smaller games like Flower and Eden are good for this type of thing, but I don't find myself buying many of these. When it comes to Blu-ray and digital downloads, there are tons of speculating and people claiming downloading is the way to go, but the numbers are not there. Blu-ray takes up about 10% of the market, with DVD taking up over 80%. Digital Downloads have around .5%. That's right, not even a full percentage of the market yet.
It is not a good idea to think all people will want to give up their existing library, the new HD format, their older movie formats, and the promise of tangible goods just cause you think it is cool and that lots of people have high speed internet. No. We all want these things. We want our Blu-ray and DVD movies, we want our PS1, PS2, and PS3 games, we want the stability of an optical drive, we want the ability to hold and collect our products, and not to worry that a simple system crash will not only delete our saved games, but also all our games themselves.
Physical Media all the way!

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