Consumers Will Choose The PS3 Slim Over The Xbox 360

Normally, I'm not one to make bold statements in the headlines of my articles; as nothing is 100% and much of what I say is often subjective, I'd rather pose a question. In other words, I'd normally title this article, "Will Consumers Consider the PS3 Slim a Better Option than the Xbox 360?" or something to that effect. But the more I look at it, the more difficult it is for me to believe that a rational, logical, unbiased consumer will come to any other conclusion.

Please bear in mind that I'm not predicting the future; I'm merely talking about the current state of affairs. And also remember that there are more than enough reasons to own a 360 (there always have been) and I'm not suggesting that people get rid of their 360 to buy a PS3 Slim. But what I am saying is that when someone sits down to determine which console they wish to buy, they are invariably going to consider a number of factors...and just about all of them will fall in favor of Sony's new machine. What do we think about when we have to decide on a new console to buy?

Impact on the wallet

For the first time in the PS3's near three-year history, it is officially on par with its primary competition in the price category. It's easy to forget that Sony's next-gen console launched with a $600 price tag and that it was always deemed as being "too expensive," especially during its first year of existence when other factors were working against it. But at $299, it has suddenly become a major competitor and, when you add it up, a better value than the Xbox 360 Elite.

Software

Behind price, which is unfortunately the primary determining factor unless we're wealthy, we care most about the games. During the early days of the PS3, not only was the selection a little thin, but multiplatform titles were typically superior on the Xbox 360. Developers simply didn't have a firm handle on the PS3's complex architecture, and it showed. But now, if you match exclusives vs. exclusives, either current and/or future, it seems painfully obvious to any informed gamer that the PS3 has the definite edge. I could go off on a rant and list all the exclusives for each console, but it has been done to death and I've seen both lists a million times. And unless you are extraordinarily biased, you in no way can say the 360 list can compare to MGS4, Killzone 2, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, LittleBigPlanet, Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (and A Crack in Time), MAG, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, The Last Guardian, God of War III, Heavy Rain, and Gran Turismo 5.

Look, I was the first to admit the 360 had better exclusives early on with the likes of Gears of War and Halo 3. I will also play Halo 3 ODST and I really like the look of Alan Wake and Fable III, but come on...can we please just be realistic about this?

Xbox Live vs. PlayStation Network

Again, early on, this wasn't much of a contest. But the Network has made tremendous strides since then and again, I would take the PSN's exclusives (Flower, flOw, echochrome, Wipeout HD, Shatter, Fat Princess, etc.) any day of the week over the Live exclusives. The PSN remains free, it's just as stable and reliable as Live (I'd say they're both pretty similar in this regard), and while Live still has a few more bells and whistles, I say none of them place a significant gap between Microsoft and Sony. Besides, if you toss in PlayStation Home, which is expanding at a surprisingly fast rate, along with Qore and Pulse, it seems to me that the Network has the edge. And if you don't agree, I think you might agree that, at the very least, both services are on close to equal footing right now.

Blu-Ray

At first, it was going to battle against HD-DVD but that war didn't last very long, and now, Blu-Ray is on deck to become the default home entertainment media. More and more people - non-gamers as well - are starting to recognize the fact that the PS3 is a Blu-Ray player, and a great one at that. The PS2 wasn't much of a DVD player but if you check recent technical compare-and-contrasts between the PS3 and the top standalone Blu-Ray players around, the PS3 often comes out on top. And at $299, combined with its other multimedia capabilities, Sony's console is suddenly a great option for movie-viewing buffs as well as gamers. The 360 simply doesn't have this option.

Reliability and performance

I believe the newer 360s aren't as bad in terms of reliability as the first batch of 360s, but the recent evidence of a defective rate being as high as 54% isn't encouraging. The fact of the matter is - and this isn't subject to any debate whatsoever - that the 360 is easily the most unreliable console in history. Whether you believe the 1 in 3 ratio we heard reported by the five major game retailers in North America last year or the recent (and even worse) reports, the 360 just breaks...a lot. We all know people who have gone through multiple 360s in a very short span of time, and the PS3 has had an excellent reliability rating since it first launched. There was a small "yellow ring of death" snafu that may still exist, but it's hardly as bad as the 360. No-brainer, here.

Lastly, I would like to point out something important as it pertains to the history of this generation: the 360 sits at about 30 million worldwide sales while the PS3 is just shy of 24 million. Now, consider that the 360 launched one year earlier, that we suffered through a recession when the PS3 was significantly more expensive, that the Network and the games were lagging behind the 360 most of the time, that developers were issuing substandard multiplat PS3 versions, etc, etc, etc. With all of this, the PS3 still managed to sell just as many 360s on a yearly basis, and actually a little more?

No matter how you slice it, that's just nuts. Then take into account the drastic shift - as outlined above - and it seems almost impossible to believe that consumers won't see that the current clear choice is the PS3 Slim. Oh, and I know I didn't mention other things, like HDD size (120GB for both the Slim and Elite) and controller preferences and things like that, but I consider those slightly smaller considerations than what I listed above. And so, I conclude. Is there another way to see it?

8/20/2009 Ben Dutka

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Danny007
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:14:23 PM
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PS3 is clearly the smarter choice.

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rezenu
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 4:16:30 AM

Hell yeah.

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shadowpal2
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 7:21:42 AM

I'm sorry but is anyone here besides me getting a hint of Deja Vu around here...because this all seems a bit way too much like last generation.

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photo K
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 1:14:53 PM

Hands Down, ps3 wins. I even thought at $399, PS3 was the winner.

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mastiffchild
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 1:51:09 PM

Ben, I'd love to agree with you as I het far more(stress free-not worrying about the next greakage)gaming from my PS3 than my 360(even if this is the best one I've owned yet).

However, in the UK and US the 360 has one big thing going for it which you avoided mentioning and it's the main reason alongside a desire to play Gears2 at the time that I finally gave in and bought myself another elite early this year-almost ALL my mates from actual life game on the 360 RROD and all and it's a big draw for folk.

Sure, if like you and me a few start joining the ranks of the mulyi platform owner the PS3 could enjoy a similar effect but right now in our countries the social gamer is more likely to go for the system his mates are on even without considering that MS will cut the price of the Elite very, very soon to take another hit on the loss just to hurt Sony.

So, imo, much of the damage has been done and unless there's a huge number of folk sitting with PS2's waiting for just this cut in price and Slim launch I just fail to see these factors overcoming the pronlem I brought up AND the fact that the press in the west suports the home town boy(in this case MS and 360)til the cows come home. When the Elite gets a cut you think there won't be another round of "PS3 iz teh Doomzorz!" as we're already seeing the "slim and price cut-too little, too late?" articles popping out, aren't we?

So while I'd love more people to find their way to PS3 and it's superior exclusives and better behaving hardware(and away from the force feeding of bloody kiddy-lite Avatars and ads on Live)I'm just not sure people will weigh it up so logically, unlike yourself. Had they announced GT5 to drop with the slim at launch(or hopefully soon after) then you might still be right but as of now all we can safely count on is a spike in immediate sales from those who were waiting for a cut.However ,beyond that, this gen is still a mystery and MS grasp on the Uk and US markets shouldn't be discounted as a factor when people choose to game on the same platform their friends do, no?

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NiteKrawler
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 2:31:43 PM

Mastiffchild has a great point there. I've met at least one person who gave that very reason for getting a 360, even though he knew all of its flaws. Sad really...

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Alienange
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:15:43 PM
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The xbots are on the march Ben. They've counted current software libraries for all systems and are touting their numbers.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:38:41 PM

Sony can attack back with better rated exclusives

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xnonsuchx
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:39:00 PM

But if you divide the # of titles by the # of years each console has been out, PS3 has more per year released for it.

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smileylyon
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:05:24 PM

Not to mention that many of the games available on the 360 are also available for the PS2! So it's not as "next gen" as people make it out to be!

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:17:16 PM

Is it bad that PS3 users value quality vs. quantity? I'm sorry, but bragging about quantity is an American way of thinking that MUST stop.

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newchef
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:23:28 PM
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is there any good reason to buy an xbox now?....the xbox will have decent games but the ps3 has more...and as ben pointed out in the article, the ps3 has the xbox beat or matched in almost every aspect of it....

the only ppl who are gonna buy the xbox are gonna be the fanbooys and their gonna go down with their system if M$ doesnt do anyting about this

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bxshotboi
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:30:59 PM

wat can m$ do they are basically out of choices they basically used all there aces tryin to beat the ps3 for the past 3 years

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johnld
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:45:40 AM

If were talking about microsoft, i feel that they're gonna use their big ol' bag o' money for another round of exclusive DLC. Lets just see how that goes.

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Fane1024
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 6:55:36 PM

You forgot to include the people who will buy a 360 to replace the one(s) that have broken.

According to the article Ben referenced, 36% of those with broken 360s have bought replacements. If that percentage is accurate, that's 5 or 6 million replacement units (or almost the difference between PS3 and 360 sales).

And if the failure rate continues (and there's no reason it won't), millions more could follow suit.

Is anybody actually buying a 360 who didn't already own one?

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Luan
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:30:15 PM
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Oh, PS3 of course, although, I think that the PS3 failure rate (14%) is still too high, hopefully, the new "slim" model will fix that.

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bxshotboi
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:31:44 PM

yea 14 % is a bit too high but hey better than 54 %

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kevinater321
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:17:51 PM

aha true dat...

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gumbi
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 11:35:08 AM

As part of that 14% I absolutely agree. But the fact remains; The PS3 is still a more reliable and feature rich console than the competition.

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RadioHeader
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 5:36:28 PM

54% FAIL rate FTL!

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slackernz
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:33:05 PM
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Translation = PS3 pwnage for the months/years to come

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Highlander
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:34:16 PM
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::APPLAUSE::

Other things missing from a 360 Elite system...wireless LAN, cordless controllers,...

It's truly amazing how much this one act (price reduction) by Sony has changed things.

As for people attempting to compare game libraries by touting numbers of games published. Perhaps if they excluded all multi-platform titles that have appeared on both (for example, remove all copies of Madden NFL, guitar Hero, Call of Duty, etc...). And then remove all of the straight ports of classic arcade games like Joust or Defender or whatever. Now all you have left are the games that make the difference between the platforms, the exclusives. If you do that, the considerable efforts of Sony first party studies and 3rd party exclusives is obvious and significant.

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Zemus101
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:28:09 PM

I think I would be quite happy enough with just PS3 Exclusives and the great PSN titles we get. 360 ....not so much :P although I know some people enjoy Halo and Gears

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fluffer nutter
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 1:38:34 AM

Actually, the Pro and Elite come with wireless controllers. I know because I got them each for free. I still think that I paid too much for them.

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Highlander
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 2:58:23 AM

I stand corrected. Thank you.

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johnld
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:49:25 AM

they may be wireless but its not rechargable so you still have to pay a little extra for it. And Highlander theres no comparison between first party studios and third party for Sony and Microsoft. Sony has a lot of studios while microsoft studios are leaving them, all they have is their virtually unlimited bags of money.

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Jonesy555
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 5:18:32 PM

The 360 controllers are rechargeable. They don't come with the batteries for it though so unless you bought the rechargeable batteries with the 360, you gotta use AA batteries. So that's a plus and minus for both systems' controllers.

PS3 Controller
+Rechargeable right out of the box
-Gotta stop gaming when batteries low unless you wanna sit close to your console.

X360 Controller
+Can quickly change out batteries if they get low on life
-Doesn't come with rechargeable batteries; have to be purchased seperately

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johnld
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:30:03 PM

You know you could get longer charge cables right. The one that sony has isnt the only one that works with the ps3 controllers.

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tes37
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:40:00 PM
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The ps3 offers so much for so little, it would be hard to understand why someone wouldn't want it.

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bxshotboi
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:49:05 PM

i never thought the system was so expensive in the first place in my opinion it was always worth more than its price

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tes37
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:52:08 PM

I agree with you.

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KilloWertz
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:40:49 PM
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Cross-game voice chat and party chats on Xbox Live are both features that Sony needs include in PSN for them to be honestly equal, but Sony is without a doubt one or two more firmware updates after 3.0 away (hopefully) from being pretty close. Those two features are very nice social features. Also, the Elite is 160GB, not 120. PSN does have some nice things of its own in the already mentioned Qore, Pulse, Home, and some nice PSN exclusive games.

Now, with that out of the way, I do agree that the PS3 should be the system of choice. The exclusive games Sony has coming out in the near future is very impressive and it is a much more reliable system. The other nice things about the PS3 have pretty much already been said.

Last edited by KilloWertz on 8/20/2009 10:41:59 PM

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smileylyon
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:11:08 PM

The Elite comes with a 120GB. The ONLY system available with a 160GB HD is the Uncharted Bundle PS3. Now retailing for $399.99 (if you can find one!)

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KilloWertz
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:17:38 PM

Wow, I feel like a dork. You are right. Forget that part of my original message. :)

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Highlander
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:24:53 PM

Ah good old cross game voice chat, otherwise known as using a phone and the conference call feature.

I love how this feature has somehow become the touchstone for so many. Compared to virtually any other feature it's pretty insignificant, and yet somehow it's now a determinant between the 360 and PS3?

Ridiculous.

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:48:01 PM

Exactly my thinking Highlander. Many people act like it is a crippling flaw. It's almost to the point where people think that the lack of cross game voice chat is worse than the 360's reliability problem. Reality check please.

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Mr Bitey
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:03:33 AM

I've never understood the cross chat argument myself. When I fire up my console, I usually just want to play games... I don't want to be interrupted with mindless small talk.

Also I text more on my cell then I talk, so I don't see the need to start talking on my console.

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Ewillis911
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:37:27 AM

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Ewillis911
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:37:28 AM

Last edited by Ewillis911 on 8/21/2009 10:38:19 AM

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NiteKrawler
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 2:29:15 PM

Wow Ewillis, I never quite saw it that way before. :)

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Fane1024
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 7:00:51 PM

Wow Ewillis, I never quite saw it that way before. :)

On a serious note, you should be able to delete your posts rather than editing them to nothing. Just click the trash can icon.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 8/21/2009 7:02:22 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:41:19 PM
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Did Sony plan this all along? To wait out Microsoft's shoddy machine and attempts to sink them until finally with the prices the same and an established exclusive library for PS3 they simply leave it up to the sensible person as the better deal? ...Somethin to think about.

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bxshotboi
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:50:53 PM

it is sumtin to think about and could very well be true for sony to take all the crap and then once they are ready go all out and demolish the competition cuz it is business

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:23:15 PM

I think Sony has some of the greatest business minds available. They seem extremely sensible, confident, and they definitely think more in the long run which is a good thing.

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Highlander
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:34:34 PM

Yes.

I used to point out how Sony had far more room to cut their price as their costs fell than Microsoft. If you look at the original consoles, prices and components - the optical drive for example. The 360 used a $20 DVD drive, and the PS3 used a $300 BluRay drive. Eventually that BluRay drive will cost $20, and the DVD drive will still cost about $20, leaving Sony room for $280 in cost savings.

Since Sony has been able to reduce costs of production by 70% since launch, it's pretty clear that their strategy has worked. It was inevitable that their costs would fall rapidly since so many were brand new components that were new to manufacture.

When Microsoft put pressue on Sony by cutting their price and Sony didn't follow, I knew that they were running this longer term plan because it would mean that when Sony did reduce their price, Microsoft would have far less room for maneuver than Sony. Consequently Sony cuts $100 off the price and now has a PS3 selling for $100 less than the equivalent Xbox 360. Microsoft can match Sony, but they'll be very hard pressed to go further. A $150 cut in the Elite's price would look desperate.

Even with the higher price the PS3 has been shadowing the 360 very effectively and even if the failure rates and repurchase rates among 360 owners are merely a third of the most recent reported numbers, that's still millions of dead 360s in circulation meaning that the 30 million units sold is actually far fewer in terms of active, working systems. Better yet, Sony has a system that is a year younger and includes BluRay which effectively future proofs the unit for several years to come. That 10 year life cycle looks quite achievable now.

As I have said before, Sony is playing the long game, Microsoft is not.

Last edited by Highlander on 8/20/2009 11:42:46 PM

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johnld
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:54:19 AM

Hey Highlander, dont forget that 30 million 360s are units "Shipped", they dont want us to find out the solid facts.

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Fane1024
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 7:05:43 PM

And yet, some people in the gaming media are still saying that if this price cut doesn't cause a huge spike in PS3 sales, it's dead.

The mind wobbles. [sic]

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xnonsuchx
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 10:44:54 PM
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XBL vs PSN: I've never seen XBL myself, but everything I usually hear/read makes XBL sound better. I also think XNA was a cool idea (I'm actually surprised M$ did it). I'm still happier not having to pay for my online, though.

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MadKatBebop
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:52:47 PM

I have an 360 and a PS3 and to me the 360's multiplayer is faster and lag free, but I like how PSN is free(and I don't get online lag that often anyway).

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Orvisman
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:34:34 AM

XNA

Otherwise known as Net Yaroze, which Sony did years ago for the PlayStation.

From Wikipedia:

"The Net Yaroze is a development kit for the PlayStation video game console. It was a promotion by Sony Computer Entertainment to computer programming hobbyists in 1997. Yarōze means "Let's do it!".

Sony Net Yaroze with SDKFor about $750 USD, the Net Yaroze package would contain a special black-colored debugging PlayStation unit with documentation, software, and no regional lockout. The user still had to provide a personal computer (IBM-PC or Macintosh; NEC PC-9801 was also supported in Japan) to write the computer code, compile it, and send the program to the PlayStation."

Then, there was Linux for PS2 and now Linux for PS3, both of which allow for programming, though nothing official.

This is Sony's history, innovate a product like Net Yaroze, don't support and continue it, and let a competitor be hailed as an innovator when it actually supports it, like XNA.

Then there was the original PSEye, which Sony used to reintroduce motion control to modern consoles, only to see Nintendo hailed as an innovator with the Wii.

Now M$ft is being hailed as an innovator with Natal, something the PS3 Eye can already do; but for some odd reason Sony didn't fully push these features earlier on. Now, M$ft has stolen some of Sony's thunder with Natal.

Yes, Sony is starting to come out with games that use these PS3 Eye features, head tracking with GT5 and drawing objects on paper for use in Eye Pet; but will it be too little too late?

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Highlander
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:58:49 AM

@Orvis...

Yes, MS is playing catch up on both Sony and Nintendo. Look, Microsoft is a software company, but above all Microsoft is a marketing company. What Microsoft lacks in their products they'll try to make up through bluster, marketing and Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.

If you look carefully at gaming you'll find that Nintendo and Sony have really lead the industry over the last 10-15 years. I will say that the original Xbox with Xbox live was a clear leader in getting gaming online organized. That said, the PS2 always had the capability to go online, but there was no infrastructure behind it. The technology - and I mean the Internet, was simply too immature when the PS2 was in it's development cycle.

Your points about Natal and XNA are spot on. If you look at XNA and Natal, these are things that Sony and Nintendo (motion controls) have done before. Somehow though, in all the hoopla about Natal, Sony's PSEye and Sixaxis have been utterly ignored. It's almost as if the EyeToy, PSEye and even the PSP Go Camera (which has games coming) never happened. Never mind that the cordless Sixaxis and DualShock 3 feature motion sensitivity. Net Yaroze isn't exactly XNA, but it's the same concept, just executed differently. The idea was to get game development into the hands of more people.

I agree with you on most of this, with one exception, I am not as pessimistic about Sony with respect to Natal. Sony has been working with motion tracking since the original Eyetoy, and has had motion sensitive controllers for a long time now. Sony has done lots of lab work with these things, and I think they have a very mature outlook on the technology. At this point Microsoft is younger with the technology. So Microsoft is at a more visionary stage, and talking about great things, which may never happen. This is where Microsoft the marketing machine takes over ans makes claims that are never realized in a product, but sound great. It's very hard to argue against that kind of thing because you look like a bit of a party pooper, even if you're right.

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Fane1024
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 7:12:09 PM

Any time you roll out Peter Molyneux to talk about a project, you're bound to get plenty of visionary hype that never materializes...along with some that does.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 8/21/2009 7:13:53 PM

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BigBoss4ever
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:10:58 PM
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convicing arguments, but for me, even 3 years ago, I would still choose PS3, i just like the shinning piano black power horse. if it combines with a perfect next gen rpg (say ff13, v13 or demon's souls), thats a dream of a true gamer, nothing further to be said.

Last edited by BigBoss4ever on 8/20/2009 11:11:49 PM

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dart_driver
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:25:46 PM
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If you think about it 360 got its name from all the x-treme sports that were cool like 4 years ago. I believe it all started with the mt dew skate board challenge where you win a green xbox. Its actually xbox 2, but even in name PS3 is the best.

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Fane1024
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 7:15:22 PM

No, they named the 360 after the Red Ring of Death.

Didn't they?

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kevinater321
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:25:50 PM
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I don't think that sony planned this from the beginning, but i do think that they planed this like 1 or 2 years ago. They relized the ps3 wasn't doing so well, so they buy a crap load of exclusives- and don't tell anyone about it. And then explode with amazing games. It kinda explains why there wasn't very adds for ps3. It's like they were planning for the last wile. But of course they needed to release some exclusives or else the media would become curios (uncharted, heavenly sword, lair, and a few others)

Does this sound as crazy as it sounded in my head? lol

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Highlander
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:43:48 PM

Except that the exclusive games are almost without exception coming from Sony first party studios, or studios that have always been Sony exclusive developers.

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Naztycuts
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:48:32 PM

Dude they didn't buy the exclusives, the game studios they own/fund make them mostly, but then you also have Dev's that love making awesome games that choose to make exclusives because they see the advantage of using a powerhouse (PS3) or something that will sell a lot of copies really fast but doesn't have the capabilities to make the game as awesome as they envision them. (360) Its definitely not a conspiracy, just a clever marketing strategy

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kevinater321
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:02:17 AM

Okay...they didn't but the exclusives. Don't forget that i have no idea what i'm talking about :P, no one here has to take me seriosly. But i was just giving people something to think about.

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Highlander
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:52:45 AM

Always give people something to think about. The more we think, the more we live.

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xnonsuchx
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:28:49 PM
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Amazon is currently limiting US purchases of the new slim model to 1 per household due to high demand. Hopefully, Sony's making enough to supply stores this holiday season...unless they're using Nintendo's strategy of faking shortages to drive demand???

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Gregory Freeman
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:41:36 PM

there better be enough come september 1st... im buying 2 like i always have stated... and not a penny out of pocket... collected 100$ from each skeptical friend of mine, which adds up to $800... so i get 2 ps3's @ 299.99 each, which adds up 2 $678 including sales taxes... and 122 dollars left to finish off my mw2 preorder, and get the LBP: GOTY edition...

all because i knew the slim was true, and my friends didn't believe me... ah, i love being right

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johnld
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 11:01:04 AM

Hahaha, good job canuck. We all know its a suckers bet because we knew the ps3 slim was real. It was only a matter of time before it was released. Now if i can only figure out how to make a complete copy of modern warfare 2 for ps3 then i'll send Infinity ward my 60 bucks, none for you activision!

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Jawknee
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:32:10 PM
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Even at the $400 price point the PS3 was a better value then the Elite.

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bxshotboi
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:39:52 PM

u are so so right but hey sum people are just hard headed and dont want to admit it.........to the downfall of the xbox raaawwwwrrrr 8-) lmao

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Kiryu
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:41:07 PM
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Buying a PS3 Slim On Day One!

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bxshotboi
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 8:55:24 AM

well even though i dont need to i just still might do it this will be my third ps3 and all in great working condidtion

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Bugzbunny109
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:44:25 PM
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*At MS headquarters*
Bill Gates: "What are we going to do now? The Ps3 is the same price as our pro bundle, and is actually cheaper than our Elite bundle. Gentlemen, I am afraid we will have to- *takes a big swallow* not be cheap."
Board member #1: No! Nothing but THAT!
Board member #2: He's right. Bill, what would happen to the house you were building completely out of $100 bills? What about your money fountain?!
Board member #4: Bill's right [pun intended] if we don't stop charging our consumers for every little thing; they will realize that we are ripping them off.
Board member #1: Don't worry about that. Half of our consumers can't put 2 and 2 together, let alone figure out that they are getting ripped off *everyone laughs*.
Board member #5: Ps3’s value is greater than the 360. We have no other alternative. If we follow through with Bill's [pun intended again] plan I might have to start using tissue paper. What are we going to do?!
Bill: *Starts crying* I tried my best. I invested in this console, and now it ends like this? Why?! Why?!!! *sobbing* I personally pissed on each console before it was shipped out [now we know why 54% of them failed]. Is this how it repays me?!
Board member #1: Don't worry Bill. We still have Gears. NOTHING beats Gears.
Board member #2: I have an idea! Why don't we panic and jump through the window?
Bill: Yes! Good idea! On my count- 1, 2, 3 go! *glass breaks*.
Bill: Retards. It was THEM that was holding my console back. Now let me blame Sony for all my problems.

I have nothing against MS or The 360. I actually LIKE the 360. I just thought of this and thought it would be funny. It is good to be immature sometimes XD.

Last edited by Bugzbunny109 on 8/20/2009 11:46:12 PM

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inkme101
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:46:21 PM
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@ canuck pride

678? are you paying 12% sales tax?

edit: 13% tax my bad

Last edited by inkme101 on 8/20/2009 11:52:36 PM

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Gregory Freeman
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:51:25 PM

13% actually, rounded to 678... why do you ask??

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inkme101
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:52:58 PM
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where do you live?

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Gregory Freeman
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:56:21 PM

Eastern Ontario Canada... hbu?

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:58:18 PM

Are you thinking that all of the United States uses 7% sales tax? It's different in many places even in the same country. I think it ranges from about 7-15% throughout the States. If he were living anywhere else, he'd probably be paying a hell of a lot more in sales tax.

EDIT: Canada huh? Wow, I figured it'd be more there. 13% is very reasonable with all the government perks you have there. Can I move in with you?

Last edited by NiteKrawler on 8/20/2009 11:59:34 PM

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Gregory Freeman
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:09:42 AM

if yu feel like moving to a place where for 5-7 yrs (if yer foreign with no citizenship) you cant work, and cant get paid, but are expected 2 pay a total of 10 grand for papers just to be looked at, not including the costs if they accept you... but once yer done paying through your @$$, you get to reap the benifits of free healthcare, and if you hit the right job (most) you get full free private healthcare benifits... dental, perscriptions, chiropractor, hell yu want a massage and a sit in a sauna, they pay... lol but it all varies by job... im saying what my dads plan includes, my mums is a little different... :P

Last edited by Gregory Freeman on 8/21/2009 12:13:27 AM

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somethingrandom
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:54:41 AM

Pwned. 5% goods/services tax for me! (Alberta).

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Gregory Freeman
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 1:05:05 AM

well, you albertans hardly pay sales taxes because your province is the only province with no debt... in fact, if memory serves right, parlement owes you guys money... lol

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NiteKrawler
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 1:30:24 AM

No citizenship, no perks. No complaints there. At least Canada takes the best care of its citizens as it can. America, on the other hand, takes the best care of its citizens that they can pay for.

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Fane1024
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 7:23:14 PM

@ Canuck Pride

We didn't have to do any of that when we moved to Canada. Were you refugees or something?

...and as landed immigrants we're covered the same as any citizen. We just can't vote in federal elections.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 8/21/2009 7:25:37 PM

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somethingrandom
Sunday, August 23, 2009 @ 12:19:26 AM

Apparently 0ver $60,000 for every man woman and child in alberta has been sent to Quebec over the years in transfer payments.

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NiteKrawler
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:00:31 AM

Probably because he knows that a 360 is a miniature computer with a controller.

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Jawknee
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:10:51 AM

The PC geeks are forever enslaved to M$.

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Jed
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 3:18:57 AM

You should tell him that anything that comes out for the 360 will also come out for PC. So get a PS3 and get the best of both worlds

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bxshotboi
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:00:42 AM

maybe hes just not ready for the almighty ps3... all hail sony!!!! :)

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inkme101
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:59:10 PM
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omg ive never heard of such a thing. i'm in michigan and sales tax is 6%. yaaaaay for michigan

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xnonsuchx
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:02:44 AM

0% in Oregon...too bad I live in 9-10% Seattle now (but at least I don't have state income tax here).

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fluffer nutter
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 5:45:13 PM

Nice. State sales tax is only 7% here in California. Too bad there are all of the other percentages added to increase it more. Grr.

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Qwarktast1c
Thursday, August 20, 2009 @ 11:59:50 PM
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now i know that ben and other people here have mentioned this before but i will bring it up again......

how many of those 30 million 360s were first buys and not replacements????

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Bugzbunny109
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:08:20 AM

About 30 million lol jk. If you want to figure it out, multiply .34 times 30 million. You should then get your majic number :)

Last edited by Bugzbunny109 on 8/21/2009 12:10:27 AM

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somethingrandom
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:57:11 AM

It only counts if they didn't send it to Microsoft and bought a new one instead.

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Qwarktast1c
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 1:40:50 AM

thats what i meant.... how many people went out and bought another 360 cause they didn't want to wait for MS to send their console back?

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Bugzbunny109
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:18:23 AM

I believe it was 34% [correct me if I am wrong]

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Fane1024
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 7:31:49 PM

Based on the recent poll results:

~32 million 360s (maybe fewer bought by consumers)
54% failure rate of first unit (and maybe others)
36% of those bought replacement

Assuming these ratios are accurate, the number of replacement units would be 5 or 6 million (the math is more complex than simple multiplication because the failure rate is by person, not 360).

Last edited by Fane1024 on 8/21/2009 7:33:04 PM

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kevinater321
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:06:35 AM
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When the 360 drops its price we will be in the same situation we were in a week ago, people complaining about the ps3 being too expensive. And i know that they will announce soon, they don't want sony to sell too many machines. Apparently they were planning to announce it at gc but they had a overload of 360's being made or something? i don't know but thats just what i heard.

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bxshotboi
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:03:09 AM

there are always gonna be cheap asses that say the ps3 is still too expensive like come on stay the crap already

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godsman
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:08:08 AM
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If you get to choose one of the two console for free, PS3 is the top choice. It only was lagging in sales behind Xbox because of the price.

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Scarecrow
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:56:40 AM
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Beautiful!

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KuNI
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 1:05:46 AM
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I'm still happy about paying $1000 for my 60gb ps3 at launch, haven't had any problems yet :D

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Scarecrow
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 1:43:09 AM

Same

You only pay it once and that's it
People are so freaking sensitive

OMG $600, omg omg omg omg omg omg

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Jed
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 3:22:48 AM

It's so great to be a 60gb owner. I was 7th in line for my launch day PS3. It is now a 500gb PS3.

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bxshotboi
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:04:31 AM

well i dont have the original 60gb but i do have 2 motorstorm 80gb bundles and hey 1 has a 320 gb hdd and the other 500

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Jed
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:57:36 AM

nice

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johnld
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 11:09:11 AM

hey, i payed 1000 for mine too because you can only find it bundled back then. But sadly my 60 gb yellow lighted on me. They gave me a refurbished 60gb so its all good though. If only they announced this price cut about a month ago. Then maybe i could've paid less for repairs and didnt have to cancel getting a game because of this thing called running out of money. hahaha

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Kai200X
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 1:35:27 AM
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I might be a little biased... what am I saying? I am TOTALLY biased when it comes to Sony and PS3, and I think consumers are smart and they will make the right decision and purchase PS3 over any other competitors.

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BigBoss4ever
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 1:46:18 AM

as your logo indicates ;)

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BeezleDrop
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 1:43:47 AM
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Cleary the PS3 has been the ideal system the entire time, these days people are cheap. It's understandable really, now there is no excuse to not get a PS3 if you want a superior gaming experience. Like many of you I had no problem with paying nearly $400 for my 40 gig. One of the best investments of my life!

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bxshotboi
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:06:22 AM

i dont think theres any reason to be cheap in the first place cuz look at me i live in the projects my mom kicked me out and im in college which takes a whole lot of money and still managed to get my baby (ps3)

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___________
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 2:59:53 AM
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but what if the consumer want to play gears of war?
or halo?
or forza?
what if the consumer already has a ps3?
i hate the slim, it looks like a cheap knock off i would see at the markets going for 120 bucks, not a official sony product.
i really hope they dont replace the fat ps3 with the slim, because down the line im going to be reluctant to buying a slim after having a beautiful shiny black beast.
i understand sony had to cut costs so they could drop the price, but come on how much could that polished plastic cost them.

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Gregory Freeman
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 3:15:47 AM

well, sorry nameless... but they are replacing the awesome phat with the awesome slim...

if yu want more phats buy 1 now and save it 4 when yer old 1 goes...

the slim looks sick, it will look way better in person, you can gurantee it... plus more portable, so when i bring my ps3 to school, i don't have to bring my duffle, i can use my backpack... way easier

and if they want halo and gears, they buy a 360 or pc... if they want sony stuff they buy sony system, ninty stuff, ninty system... the avg. gamer has both 360 and ps3 anyway, so who cares really...

Last edited by Gregory Freeman on 8/21/2009 3:17:53 AM

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bxshotboi
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:08:36 AM

well gears is cool i have to admit, halo gets really really and i mean really annoyin after a while and forza stands no chance next to grand turismo so scratch that off the list

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Jed
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 3:35:57 AM
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Another great thing about the ps3,

You are not limited to 120gb of HD space, and for the price of the 360's 129gb HD, you could put a 1TB HD in your ps3.

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Gregory Freeman
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 3:56:54 AM

have they made 1TB 2.5" hdd's yet??? if so, where the hell have i been?

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Qwarktast1c
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 4:17:37 AM

@ canuk

idk, but if so they're probably expensive as hell

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bxshotboi
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:09:21 AM

they have check ebay if ur lucky u can find one for less than 150

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bridgera
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:04:24 AM

Laptop 1 TB HD's don't exist quite yet.

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bxshotboi
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:35:50 AM

i stand corrected i was lookin at a 3.5" but regardless u can still use it as an external hardrive for the ps3 all u need to do is format it to a fat32

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rezenu
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 4:18:31 AM
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I'm getting a slim soon to replace my fat one because of the energy saving I heard about.

Sony, never stop building reliable products.

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frylock25
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 4:46:30 AM
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microsoft should pay us each $399 to take one of their systems and keep it out of a landfill ;)

then we could buy another ps3 and game and have change lol

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Random_Steve
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 5:27:49 AM
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the PS3 slim is actually cheaper than all xboxs (elite being the cheapest) when you add up everything you need to buy for them. the slim came to around $350 whereas the xboxs where all $550-$700, although thats only when u buy everything for the xboxs

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bxshotboi
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:11:12 AM

so true but xbox fanboy wants to admit it cuz if i wwere to buy an xbox i dam sure wouldnt be wastin another 100$ just for the wireless adapter

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Acehiroku
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 6:26:07 AM
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Well.....duh
Any customer with functioning brain will absolutely pick PS3 over 360 with their current state as of now

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Andysw
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 6:33:17 AM
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I don't know. I still think that consumers won't buy the playstation 3 slim and prefer the current model for the simple fact that the design looks cheap. It's one of those reasons why I dislike the new design, the black finish, the removal of the silver chrome, touch buttons, and the playstation 3 logo.

If I'm wrong (I do hope I'm wrong) and that it sells well regardless of its design, then I'll change my mind.

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AwRy108
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 6:38:40 AM
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The PS3 is the clear choice for consumers, but it's up to Sony to make them aware of it. IMHO, the PS3 has always been the better buy of the next-gen consoles, but Sony never made any major efforts to market the console.

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LightShow
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 6:46:41 AM
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really MAG puts it on top for me. add that to the recent reports that the 360 failure rate is %54.

i mean, a %54 failure rate is beyond unacceptable, beyond outrageous for any other product in any other market. a %54 failure rate is like rock solid footing for a class action lawsuit...

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Bugzbunny109
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 3:53:14 PM

lol We have the same problem. We put the % sign behind the percentage. :D I can never get it right. It takes time for me to realize that I did that.

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CrazyIrishBoy
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 6:58:20 AM
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While, this article makes sense, there are still people i know who seem slightly brain washedd my microsoft and will refuse to believe that ps3 can be better than the 360. I dont know how many people like that are out there but im only one person and i know heaps.

And tbh, there isnt one person with a 360 i know that hasnt broken down, it could possibly be a 100% breakdown rate, only its a matter of time for most, of course i cant prove that..

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Highlander
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:03:41 AM

Indeed. For some of the folks I know, it's chauvinism, they simply have to back Microsoft because they are American. Ignoring all the Indian and Chinese engineers that Microsoft employs and the fact that the consoles are made by lowest bidder manufacturers in China... But I digress, a lot of people have convinced themselves of Microsoft and Xbox's superiority, and if they now change their position it's like they have to admit being wrong, and people have a hard time admitting when they are wrong.

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bOnEs
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 11:15:37 AM

lol, touche... no one likes admitting they're wrong...

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Fane1024
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 7:40:09 PM

Fortunately, if you back Sony, you never have that problem.

j/k I'm actually not a blind Sony fanboy; I just saw the opportunity.

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Mornelithe
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 7:33:17 AM
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For consumers looking to make their dollars count this year, and more importantly, this holiday season. The PS3 provides more functionality, out of the box, hands down than the 360.

Additionally, you also have those consumers who're waiting for certain IP to drop, before migrating. GoW3, GT5, FFXIII (Uncharted 2, also, but I think to a lesser degree, simply by name recognition alone). Those will be huge, huge system movers for Sony...and if they're smart they'll make bundles for all 3.

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bOnEs
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 11:20:10 AM

i seriously think that's one of the reasons they dropped the price now instead of sooner... it's because of uncharted 2... here's a game with a ton of hype and a predecessor that was hailed as one of the best games ever... now you drop the price of the system near the release of the new one and, you get the people's money that were interested in playing uncharted..

it's always good to drop prices when you've got a good lineup coming out to encourage people to check it out...

it's not the main reason for the price drop but, it's part of the decision...

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Sir Shak
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 7:54:53 AM
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PS3 is doomed !

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King James
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 7:05:29 PM

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Trarman
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 7:59:14 AM
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The "logical" choice doesn't factor for the brainwashing from various sources. XBox fans will always be XBox fans. That goes for the game developers too!

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Slimcere
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 8:11:31 AM
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http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/315730/why_do_press_hate_sony_playstation_3

You have probably read this article already but this article just shows the biased and overall stupidity that resides amongst gaming journalists.

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VersusAlby
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 8:18:40 AM
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There is really a rush for the PS3

Old ones are nearly sold out
I'm already secured an old PS3

and even amazon limits its stocks of the PS3 Slim

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z9/Garnett101st/PS3_ad_campaign--article_image.jpg

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CH1N00K
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 8:26:06 AM
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I'm interested to see how many people will actually buy a PS3 because they were waiting for a price drop.

Or how many xbox fans will stay true to their cause, and how many just bought an xbox because they felt the PS3 was to expensive (or their parents did)

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Dancemachine55
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 8:29:59 AM
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I work at EB Games in Sydney Australia.

I've already seen about one third of customers coming in inquiring about the new cheaper PS3 (which was $699 here and has now dropped to $499, making it $100 cheaper than an elite)

And as for the people who come in claiming they have no time for games, I tell them its the best and cheapest Blu-Ray player on the market, and then they have the choice of whether to get games or not either for themselves or social gatherings (where Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Singstar and Buzz come out to shine)

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony push over 3 million consoles by this christmas holidays. I really wouldn't.

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Orvisman
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:40:32 AM

If they don't have time for games why are they coming into an EBGames anyway?

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GrievousAngel
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 8:48:09 AM
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I have both consoles but the 360 is my preference. They price cut makes it more compelling but it's still going to come down to games. No surprise that the PS3 is the favorite here but you guys are ignoring its weak points. I'm playing MGS4 and admit I've thought more than once: "Is that possible on the 360?" It's truly a remarkable (if longwinded) game in a few ways.

Still, the 360 is my favorite. The software on PSN (operating software) can't touch the 360 for usability, and XBOX live is so much more reliable and feature rich--it's the system of choice if you're playing with friends.

My other beef is the PS3 controller. Which goes all the way back to the PS1 controller, where they grafted those awful thumbsticks on. It's simply inferior to the 360 controller and affects my enjoyment. I always buy multiplatform games on the 360 for Live, and the controller.

Don't be such fanboys. Buy both. They both have good games. Will this make the PS3 "win?" Who cares? I have both. For the record we have two PSPs in the house too.

And what the author fails to remember is that its GAMES that drive hardware sales. So it really comes down to compelling exclusives. Sorry, Uncharted, while impressive, isn't a system seller (800k copies of the original sold--bleh). The PS3 needs more big-time shooter exclusives like Killzone 2 or Resistance. Those will make the difference. You guys sluff off the 360 exclusives but you've got Halo (which I don't like, but it's no joke), Gears, Left 4 Dead . . they BOTH have very impressive exclusives, I just think the 360 has MORE impressive exclusives.

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bxshotboi
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:33:45 AM

alright first of the ps controller has always been comfortable to use the 360 one is annoyin althopugh i do like the way the trigger buttons are,second the only major thing live has on the psn is the cross voice chat and ps3 will probably put that in later on , third do u really think that sony needs to make the exclusives mainly shooters what type of enjoyment are we gonna have as gamers doing the same crap for basiclly every exclusive which is to shoot shoot and shoot the same dam people every time and then lets not forget the same basic online multiplayer team deathmatch death match etc. and many past 360 exclusives were just timed exclusives for example eternal sonata and bioshock......how can u really say that uncharted isnt a system seller becuz i bet that if people would have been smart to chhoose the ps3 from the beginning alot more copies of uncharted would have been sold...im lookin forward to another gears but tell me how different and better can it possibly be cuz regardless its just a regular sequal that probably wont have any extra meaning other than kill the locust and i dont just mean to target gears either cuz many titles do that and guess what it just milks the games to the point their just crap..halo is turning into just a bunch of spinoffs and is in my oppinion halo 2 was the best of the series and hey i bet wen big time exclusives come out for the ps3 that arent shooters we are gonna have people sayin we need more games like this and the idea isnt about gettin both systems for all the best games the idea is choosing the most reliable and ideal system for the household i honestly dont like all the party up crap either yea its cool for certain games but i really do miss playin games the way i did in the past(ps1 ps2) with no intentions of gettin a game becuase of online play but just because i knew i liked the demo and wanted to have more of that great experience

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Highlander
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:07:23 AM

Regarding controller layout. The original D-pad layout has been the standard in gaming since forever. The PS1 added analog sticks, and to be honest I don't understand your point. You see my body is symmetrical, my arms and hands on my left and right sides are the same length and size. So having the thumbsticks where they are makes sense to my brain because the layout is the same on both sides of the controller.

On the other hand the asymmetrical layout of the Xbox controller hurts my brain because my left and right hands have to cope with different layouts.

I just don't agree at all with your point about controller layouts, and I think you're being deliberately dismissive of the dualshock design.

you think the Xbox 360 has "MORE impressive exclusives"? o you mean it has more (numerically) exclusives that are impressive, or do you mean that the best of it's exclusives are more impressive than the equivalent exclusives on PS3? I disagree with you either way, but I am curious about your meaning. Personally Uncharted, KZ2, Resistance 1 & 2, both MotorStorms and MGS4 more than match the impressiveness of the 360 equivalents.

Last edited by Highlander on 8/21/2009 10:10:45 AM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:19:44 AM

Prefer what you want. But it's only your opinion that Live is superior - I'm on both, and it's simply not true - and while you keep talking about games, I FAIL to see how the 360 exclusive lineup can even touch the PS3's. You're right; it's all about games. Don't go quoting sales numbers from a game when the PS3 had barely sold a few million units worldwide as that's completely irrelevant now.

What matters is the games that are available now and what's coming. Many, many critics will say MGS4 is better than anything the 360 has to offer, and if not MGS4, than Killzone 2. And if not that, I'd like to see what 360 exclusive can touch Uncharted 2, God of War III or Gran Turismo 5 when those arrive.

Yes, I agree it's all about the games. ...and the 360 can't compete in that category right now, IMO. I have one and I haven't touched it in almost a year.

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GrievousAngel
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:26:44 AM

"More impressive?" I don't know about that. The Xbox certainly has more exclusives--but are the BEST exclusives better than the PS3? No, I won't say that.

Like I said, I'm playing MGS4 right now. That's a fairly "impressive" game. A little full of itself and laughable at times (Snake's butt cheeks crack me up), but I'm not sure I've seen anything quite like it on the 360, or if it's possible at that level of quality. I'll give you that.

Resistance? I liked it, but that's hardly a showcase. It's just another shooter, no more or less impressive really than a COD4, which both platforms run.

Killzone 2 was particularly impressive. I didn't enjoy it as much--it's that PS3 controller thing again--I can't stand that "dead zone" and I find it hard to aim precisely. But, once again, I'm not sure the 360 could pull Killzone 2 off technically.

But you guys are lining up the games and system spec-by-spec. It doesn't work that way.

We have two PSPs in my house. And one DS. The PSP is superior in EVERY concievable way to the DS. There is NO WAY the DS can "do" what the PSP does. And yet it mops the floor with the PSP.

Heck, BOTH consoles are superior to the Wii (which I sold to buy my PS3) in every conceivable way to the Wii. And yet in both cases Nintendo is kicking the CRAP out of both MS and Sony.

So you can line up your technical specs all you want. At the end of the day, the consumers will speak. Casual gamers value the Wii in a big way. Hardcore gamers are split between the PS3 and the 360--with the PS3 offering more technical value, and the 360 offering a better multiplayer experience.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:46:08 AM

...I don't know what you're talking about. I don't talk about technical specs in my article. I never mention it once. In fact, I went out of my way to AVOID saying the PS3 is a superior piece of hardware and I probably should've mentioned it.

And I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing how the 360 gives you a superior multiplayer experience. People are just saying that because they're used to it and have no experience with the CURRENT PSN. And the fact that the latter is free will indeed sway consumers a bit.

Games-wise, I'm not altering my stance. The PS3 has the 360 beat, hands-down, in terms of innovation and overall quality. And all of this doesn't matter anyway; is there anything in particular about the article that you deem as wrong? If there isn't, the point of the piece stands.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 8/21/2009 10:47:40 AM

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GrievousAngel
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:51:16 AM

. . not sure why I'm double posting.

So your point is this: the PS3 offers a better value. I agree. Completely. The wireless adapter for the 360 is a ripoff. The Hard Drives are a HUGE ripoff. The quality control is ABYSMAL (for the 360). As a piece of hardware in isolation, the PS3 is superior in every way. I never argued that.

But you saying the PS3 has a better lineup--"without evidence" as someone said--means about as much as me saying the 360 has a better lineup. It is highly subjective and depends on what one says is "better."

I do think this is a game changer for the PS3. And Microsoft will HAVE to respond. I'm not sure how they'll do that--but I would think a new device with included wi-fi, and free Live would be a start.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:58:58 AM

Heh...well, no offense, but you picked the way wrong thing there. We're car guys at PSXE, and we know a thing or two about cars and racing.

The bottom line is that, from a realistic and authentic standpoint, right down to how a slight shift in suspension or camber/toe angle affects a car on a track, Forza has never been even remotely close to a simulator. Never. There's a reason why amateur and even pro racers actually train with a special iteration of GT. I'm sorry, but while I'm sure Forza 3 will be good for those who want a cross between sim and arcade, GT5 will be the only sim racer for the hardcore.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 11:01:05 AM

Okay...so you agree with the article. I think we agree on most things (I do have a 360 for certain games).

But why did you say the author "doesn't realize" that games sell hardware? ...that was a major point in the article. Of course I realize that and I believe the PS3 has more games that would cause a consumer to buy a PS3. If you disagree on that, then fine. But I think the evidence is fairly clear.

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www
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 11:28:28 AM

"but I would think a new device with included wi-fi, and free Live would be a start."

Yea GrievousAngel, I'd like to see FREE Xbox LIVE, cause I'm never paying for it, when am gaming FREE on PSN. FREE LIVE, now that'll be great. I love the competition.

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johnld
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:12:57 PM

I think grievous is just basing his arguements mainly on his own preferences. Seriously, controller comfort isnt a good arguement because different people like different things. I have no problem with both controllers but i might have to spend a little bit of time to get adjusted when i play.

Concerning games, are you just looking for attention posting this at a Playstation dominant board? If you put your personal bias aside and actually evaluate the games on merits then you'll have an arguement. I know you think mgs4 is impressive, but fairly impressive? It completely blow away anything the 360 can offer.

As for resistance and killzone 2, saying that they're just another shooter can be applied to Halo, gears of war, and left for dead and you are technically right. resistance was the best ps3 launch game in my opinion and i agree it wasnt a mind blowing game, but what do you expect from a launch title. resistance 2 was a great game both single and multiplayer, Its actually pretty rare to play an online game where each person actually supports its team members, i was surprised when i played and actually had a special ops character following me while feeding me ammo.

Concerning killzone 2, you are again criticizing the game based on your bias, you dont like the controller, the "dead zone", or the aim precision. I'm sorry if you were taught different but games aren't meant to adjust to your skill level, you actually have to adjust to it yourself. COD4 and Killzone 2 feel different because they are different games. Killzone 2 is about trying to get close to reality as much as possible concerning the gun weight and reactions. I have no problem with both games and i play first in mostly every game i play in, the main thing is adjustment.

As far as i read there were no specs brought up. Try to put your bias aside and actually research your arguement and it will be clear that the ps3 exclusive line up completely demolishes the xbox 360. Just because a game is not your type to play that it does not impress other people. I never thought i would play games like infamous, valkyria chronicles, and uncharted but i love playing those games, even got the uncharted 2 on preorder. Im also looking forward to the 256 player MAG but i guess its just another shooter right? You may not consider yourself as a fanboy but your arguements say that you're close.

Just like ben, i do have a 360. The last game i played for it was COD4 and now its just collecting dust, cant be bothered to justify renewing my xbox live subscription. About the xbox live games and their useability, i cant argue for or against it since i've only played 2 psn games, ragdoll kung fu (it was free) and super stardust HD, both are excellent additions to the playstation exclusives. I havent played any 360 live games cause...well its collecting dust which means none of it interests me. So about the useability, I guess i'm sorry psn games aren't as dumbed down as the 360 games you've been playing, my bad.

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Ricochet
Sunday, August 23, 2009 @ 2:07:53 PM

@GrievousAngel:

After reading your comments, I really like to put my own input if you don't mind.

"I have both consoles but the 360 is my preference. They price cut makes it more compelling but it's still going to come down to games. No surprise that the PS3 is the favorite here but you guys are ignoring its weak points."

You are right about one thing, it all boils down to "games". But I will try to elaborate as much further down the responses. Although I really want to question your so-called PS3's "weak-points". As far as I can remember, PS3 had it all - poor ports, pathetic online, almost non-existent exclusives and having a pricey tag on top of it. Those were the real"weaknesses" of the PS3, and can you truly point out those arguments again? My guess is not. Yet, I am even more than curious to what the other weak-points are. (according to you)

"I'm playing MGS4 and admit I've thought more than once: "Is that possible on the 360?" It's truly a remarkable (if longwinded) game in a few ways."

Is Star Wars: The Force Unleashed possible for the PSP? Point is, games can be ported including the MGS4 franchise - Question, will it retain the same quality? Hence the PSP sample....

"Still, the 360 is my favorite. The software on PSN (operating software) can't touch the 360 for usability, and XBOX live is so much more reliable and feature rich--it's the system of choice if you're playing with friends."

I do not own a 360 so I really cannot challenge your experience, however I keep hearing that the PSN is not to far from the XBL.

"My other beef is the PS3 controller. Which goes all the way back to the PS1 controller, where they grafted those awful thumbsticks on. It's simply inferior to the 360 controller and affects my enjoyment. I always buy multiplatform games on the 360 for Live, and the controller."

I see you're exercising your preference, I have a 360 controller for Windows and I can say both feels just like it should be, a controller. Although, due to a "placebo" effect, I can say that I can't imagine playing Gears of War with anything else.

By the way, even if you are truly adamant on your standing with the 360 controller, you can buy an adapter that will allow you to use a 360 controller on the PS3. No complaints there, right ;)

"Don't be such fanboys. Buy both. They both have good games. Will this make the PS3 "win?" Who cares? I have both. For the record we have two PSPs in the house too."

To be frank I really really really REALLY hate it when people throw the "I-am-not-a-fanboy-cause-I-own-both/all-consoles" card, fact remains that you still have a preference to a certain one. Take into consideration nobody has enough cash to buy all-to-enjoy-the-best-of-both-worlds. Your statement insinuates that those who don't own both are legally "fanboys".

Get out of that imaginary safe zone cause you're just as susceptible to fanboyism as the rest of the single-console owners. *Note: I'm not calling you a fanboy....

"And what the author fails to remember is that its GAMES that drive hardware sales. So it really comes down to compelling exclusives. Sorry, Uncharted, while impressive, isn't a system seller (800k copies of the original sold--bleh).

How do I begin with this? You know, the author did explain in detail about the "software" in his piece quite well, how you did not understand it I will care to explain. Let's start with your opening statement that games drive the hardware sales. First off, it's all due to proper marketing.

Heck, many of my PS3 friends before hasn't heard of Uncharted. How can you buy a console for a game to which you have never heard of? MGS4 is the closing thing we've got to an exclusive "system-seller", due to it's high profile nature. Had Uncharted featured proper marketing, no doubt it will sell, and I hope Uncharted 2 will rectify such issues.

"The PS3 needs more big-time shooter exclusives like Killzone 2 or Resistance. Those will make the difference. You guys sluff off the 360 exclusives but you've got Halo (which I don't like, but it's no joke), Gears, Left 4 Dead . . they BOTH have very impressive exclusives, I just think the 360 has MORE impressive exclusives."

Going back to your original statement on PS3'S weak-points, I conclude that the exclusives is what you mean. This is what truly separates the 360 fanbase to the PS3 fanbase. Shooters, shooters, shooters, shooters, shooters, shoot this, shoot that, shoot me, shoot you. And you call that "impressive exclusives"? And now you wonder why 360 fans shout "GEARS, HALO, GEARS, HALO, GEARS, HALO, GEARS" whereas PS3 fans like me will go "GOW 3, HEAVY RAIN, UNCHARTED 2, LBP, RACHET AND CLANK, FLOWER, FLOW, PAIN, WHITE KNIGHT CHRONICLES, GT5, THE LAST GUARDIAN, NINJA GAIDEN" and so on and so on and so on. Your upcoming "more impressive" exclusives involve Alan Wake, Mass Effect and... *drum roll.. HALO REACH!

You honestly want shooters to be the make-or-break genre for this console war? It's no wonder Bungie wanted out on Microsoft. I also blame the endless supply of Call-of-Duty games and their overhyped sequels. No wonder Gears of War and Halo sells like crazy on the 360, they just simply cater to the major demographic of the fanbase. Games like Braid and X'plosion man would be more appreciated in the PSN.

From the above, there's no surprise to why you have so many disagrees. You like to tout sales and shooters and forget what gaming is really all about. Appreciating games whether they sell or not, heck Shadow of the Colossus is what I consider a Gem in this gaming generation but because it doesn't "system-sell", it is treated like garbage compared to Halo because of people like you.

To wrap things up, by no means I'm saying that ALL 360 users are fans of shooters, I'm only referring to the majority demographic on your consoles. You also don't need to own all consoles to enjoy games, there are just too many and not enough time. I respect your preference on the consoles, controllers and the online service but by no means should downplay PS3's games simply because "they don't system-sell", the PSX brand has always tried to deliver the best expansive gaming experience possible and the list I provide just proved it.

Now that Microsoft is trying to incorporate Natal. I believe it's all a ruse to steal the Wii's fruits of the "casual/non-gaming" demographic. It will suddenly be overshadowed with Gears of War 3 and 4 or 5 and 6 and HALO REACH.

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Ricochet
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 8:49:24 AM
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You know, the more I think about it, the more I feel that the PS3-Phat's purchases are the "premiers" while the PS3-Slim (if that's what it's called) is the "main show".

PS3 Slimline released, you get:

- A ton of great exclusives
- Decent AAA multiplats (not the poor ports we've suffered in the early years)
- A great online system (60 people R2 anyone)?
- A fresh new XMB right off the box
- A Dual Shock Controller
- 120 GB Hard Drive
- A lower power output

all for a low low price of $299!

So technically, the "real" console war starts NOW!

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Highlander
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:14:32 AM

Indeed. Although I really would like it if Sony took the opportunity to keep the 'Phat' system around with a version of PS3 that includes all the bells and whistles they originally shipped with. A system that uses the new 45nm chips as the starting point but puts back the extra USB ports, the memory card reader, the PS2 compatibility through hardware, and even went further by adding a second HDD slot so you can increase your HDD capacity even more. Such a 'premium' SKU would be worth another $100 over the price of the slim system, and would absolutely give every feature than a gamer could wish for. Ain't gonna happen though...

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GrievousAngel
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 8:53:39 AM
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"So technically, the "real" console war starts NOW!"

Four years in?

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Ricochet
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:24:43 AM

You mean 2 1/2 years. Poor online play, no exclusives, poor multiplats, expensive console.

With the PS3 Slimline, all those arguments have disappeared. With NEW faces already waiting to purchase the console. It was only those who truly wanted a PS3, BOUGHT it. Now it stands in the crowd with the 360 and the Wii. So "technically", the console war starts.

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bxshotboi
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 9:38:38 AM

he has a point at first xbox had the upper hand and the ps3 was hangin in now that the ps3 is up to par based on prices we see how many people will choose each system now we are gonna be able to say which is better in reference to sales because of the price cut or so i believe

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Gogaku
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 8:56:39 AM
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There is one other factor that needs to be taken into account when talking about this issue though; peoples hardheadedness. For some people it doesnt matter what the figures are, if they have their mind set on a product, it doesnt matter what argument you throw at them to not buy that specific product, they will do it anyway. This phenomenon seems to be ever so present here in the states, I think it comes with the whole patriotism-packet.

I hope that what is written in the article is true, and that people will sit down and make a rational decision, for their sake, not for mine or sonys, when chosing a gaming platform to buy. But unfortunately my cynisism is telling me that todays video game consumer isnt that smart...

Prove me wrong people, please!

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bridgera
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:01:38 AM
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The PS3 has been the better choice for quite some time. However that didn't stop the false arguments that claimed the "Xbox 360 was less expensive" and that the "PS3 doesn't have any games".

Sure, the initial cost of the 360 was less expensive, but if you wanted some extras that came included with the PS3, the price quickly went above $500.

I actually told one of my friends the other day about the PS3 Slim and he told me "ya I was thinking about getting one, but it doesn't have any games". "Dude, that was true 2-3 years ago, it's not true anymore".

So the PS3 is the SMARTER choice, and hopefully false arguments don't diswade buyers.

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GrievousAngel
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:13:38 AM

The last console generation had the PS2 selling around 120 million units. I believe the original xbox sold around 20 million.

So Sony had a LOT of brand equity. To say people are "misinformed" for choosing the 360 now is "misinformed." Clearly, if a company can take the lead over a company that had a 6 to 1 advantage in the prior generation, then they're offering a more compelling product.

I imagine there are a LOT of Xbox 360 owners who were former PS2 owners.

Sony miscalculated--badly--when they came out with the expensive console. They've remedied that. If one is to compare them line-by-line, the PS3 is the better value, particularly when you consider the blu-ray, included wireless, and free online play.

I think MS evens the score there with their system software and Live service.

This generation will likely play out like the N64/PS1 generation, where both had good runs, both had quality games, but the PS1 had the lead early and never let it go.

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Highlander
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:54:29 AM

@GrievousAngel
There is something to what you say, but don't forget that Microsoft is also the master of a certain kind of marketing and strategy. Their strategy literally operates on the theory that it's easier to seek forgiveness than permission. So if they make a few claims that turn out to be wrong, or build a crap quality product, they simply ask for forgiveness and move on as if nothing happened - look at the way they handled the RROD and E76...

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InfiniteRetro
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:07:11 AM
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why are xbots here on a ps3 site? seriously do you guys register just to piss off the rest of us who come here to read good ps related articles?

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GrievousAngel
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:15:16 AM

I have a PS3, too. Do you have a 360? Sorry to rain on your parade.

Funny you'd call me an "xbot" when there's 50 posts toeing the Sony party line.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:22:36 AM

Right. Fans of the PS3 at PSXE. What a shock.

And don't act like you're not biased when you're making claims without evidence. A better software lineup on the 360...? REALLY?

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GrievousAngel
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:31:41 AM

"better" software lineup is highly subjective, admin.

I think it was Talk Radar who nailed it--this generation's Sony fans are what last generation's Nintendo fans were. Very, very sensitive. Going from being overwhelmingly DOMINANT to running in third has a way of doing that I suppose.

I prefer the 360. So shoot me. If I could only have one, I'd get rid of the PS3, though I would hate to do that. I couldn't pass on Left 4 Dead.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:46:46 AM

Nothing subjective about it. Just use common sense and compare the lineups.

Simple.

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Sir Shak
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 11:18:57 AM

Ben , it is not that simple . From all the games he listed , you can see he likes shooters AND prefers the 360 controller . Maybe that's why he doesn't appreciate the versatility of the PS3 lineup .

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johnld
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:26:04 PM

just as i said, this guy expects games to adjust to him. Its the other way around, games are supposed to challenge/entertain you which means improving your skill.

Oh and grievous, BANG!!!!, You asked for it and im happy to pull that trigger. hahaha. Dude just admit that you are an xbox 360 fanboy. reason why 1. you think the Xbox 360 has a better lineup, but the ps3 completely dominates it if you put your bias aside. 2. You are in a ps3 dominant website defending the 360 games/lineup like your life depended on it. Happy to help you realize your fanboyism now more people will hate you. hahahaha

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:27:36 PM

johnld: Don't do the fanboy accusation, please. I really don't think he's a problem.

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johnld
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:32:07 PM

my bad ben, i was just thinking why he was on a playstation site argueing xbox 360 lineup over the ps3 like he has a big stake on in,when common sense says otherwise. i'll try to edit it out right now. i guess i cant edit it. wont happen again. Just wondering ben since im new, is there a way here on psxextreme that you get notification when people post a reply on comments?

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GrievousAngel
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:40:03 PM

No I'm not a fanboy. This PS3 slim thing really does throw down the gauntlet. Microsoft has to respond. If I were running things at MS, I'd certainly be paying attention.

They understand it's not about hardware. It's about the experience. And the experience comes down to games and services. Fixing the hardware problems is critical--it may be fixed now with Jasper but it's probably too early to tell. To compete with the window shoppers, they HAVE to cut price, include the wireless adapter, and make XBL FREE. That's a tall order, but they need to eat it and just do it. Probably not much they can do about bluray--it'd be cost prohibitive and would probably interfere with the load/spin requirements of existing DVD games.

Then it comes down to offers the better games and service. And that's highly subjective.

Either way: I win. I have both. Maybe the controller is just something I have to get used to.

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CH1N00K
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 2:27:07 PM

We'll all just have to wait and see what happens Grievous.

While I've been reading down through these posts, I was thinking how your posts are based more on your personal feeling than anything.

Like controllers, Personally I can't stand using the Xbox controllers. They feel to clunky in my hands, But I had a PS1,PS2 before I ever even touched an Xbox controller, so that probably has something to do with it.

I find it funny how you say there's no games for the PS3, which most certainly used to be the case, but now? Last I checked everyone is saying that the line-up for the Xbox is looking sad compared to what PS3 is offering soon. The only argument you really have there is that PS3's amazing games are more slated to late 2009, early 2010. God of War, Mag(since you apparently like shooters) GT5, Uncharted 2, ModNation Racers. And that's just a few. Most of the great games that are coming to the Xbox are also Multiplat, which means we all get to play.

Yes there are a few exclusives that are coming from MS, but not enough for me to justify going out and buying a 2nd system that is still plagued with above average reliability issues. (I still want Ace Combat dammit!)

Bottom line? You have you're beliefs, and I applaud you for sticking you neck out on a Playstation website to tell everyone what you felt. I'm pretty sure you were expecting to get attacked for it when you posted. I have my beliefs and we're just going to have to wait and see who comes out on top when it's all said and done.

Keep in mind though that when the PS2 launched it was also being harrassed as being too expensive. And look where it is now. Sony came to this next gen console war one year late and with a heavy price tag, and they've kept a pretty good pace compared to the Xbox. Maybe if Xbox had of held off a year they wouldn't have had some of the issues they have now, but then they may not have sold as many consoles either....hard to say.

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Fane1024
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 7:56:54 PM

I think Grievous has been well behaved and reasonable, not bot-like at all. He's got a right to his opinions and he's expressed them articulately and respectfully.

I downvoted him because I disagree with everything he's said, but I don't want to silence him.

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, August 23, 2009 @ 7:34:41 PM

Absolutely agree.

Grievous Angel, don't agree with many things you say, but you sure are respectable. I actually like seeing someone with a differing opinion to make these comments section interesting. It's good to see from different perspectives.

As an owner of all 3 consoles, my PS3 gets the most play of course. But that depends on which console you by multiplat titles for. Many might prefer the 360 versions of games. I myself prefer to play on a console with a higher reliability rate.

To cement my argument, my friend's 2nd 360 just red ringed a few days ago. He nearly snapped my head off when I suggested he trade towards a PS3 slim. He is a shooter and Halo lover through and through, which makes gaming nights at his place very boring after a while.

AND he buys people 360's for their birthdays in an attempt to convert everyone to the inferior console. I already know 2 friends who he bought 360's for who are already considering trading towards a PS3 slim. Really makes my blood boil sometimes.

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InfiniteRetro
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:07:12 AM
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why are xbots here on a ps3 site? seriously do you guys register just to piss off the rest of us who come here to read good ps related articles?

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dveisalive
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:19:22 AM
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Im getting a PS3 slim day one!

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johnld
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 10:38:00 AM
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Dont forget to mention that microsoft counts units shipped as opposed to Sony counting units sold, so we really dont know how close the gap is. Theres no doubt that the ps3 slim will sell alot especially if gran turismo is released this year. However, if you are thinking of the average customer, i cant help but think that they would choose the cheaper gimped xbox 360. This is because nobody, not even the sales person would tell you the cost of add ons that you would need to equal the ps3 or close to it, given that for some reason that they dont want bluray. But if the average consumer even knows about bluray and want it then its no competition between xbox 360 and PS3, even with the cheaper SKU.

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Robochic
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 11:03:13 AM
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I went to walmart last night saw the beautiful display saying PS3 now 299 for 80 gigs or 160gig for 399. the 160gig package comes with unchartered,infamous and killzone 2 the 80 gig comes with LBP and killzone 2. I was watching people go nuts I bet if i went back they wouldn't have any left. Now this is one Heck of a deal :)

I gave up trying to convince my friends on purchasing a PS3 most work for the xbox360 call centre no perks at all but i think they are brain washed their in only wanting a 360.... But I told my one friend to come over and i'll show him MAG and when Demons souls come out that one too. Once he sees MAG since he's A BIG fan of Shooter games he'll want a PS3 bad.

Last edited by Robochic on 8/21/2009 11:21:20 AM

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piratedrunk
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 11:08:08 PM

Haha I would think working in a 360 call center they would be put off by the insane hardware failure rate.

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PS3addict
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 11:17:22 AM
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No one mentions the free internet browser on the PS3. Maybe not a huge feature to some, but personally I take advantage of it.

Also the ability to stream video and audio from any PC on your network with a simple setup. Those are some advantages I see over the 360. I also do not need to pay a monthly NetFlix bill, I get movies when I want them for less than driving to the video store.

Yes the 360 has a few great games and quite a few good ones.

But then.... wow, look at the software lineup for this year and the beginning of next... I make damb good money, but I am seriously considering a side job to get all of these awesome titles. There too many coming out for my budget to handle.

So the advantage that the 360 has is there are just enough titles coming out dor that system that you will not need to stretch your budget to get them all...

Last edited by PS3addict on 8/21/2009 11:21:40 AM

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johnld
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:28:58 PM

Yeah, i didnt find netflix a good arguement to get 360 over ps3. ps3 has a video store so its not that big of a deal.

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Fane1024
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 8:02:07 PM

The browser would be a bragging point if only it actually worked.

I had to reboot my PS3 four times in about an hour the other night because the browser locked up the system when I tried to do *gasp* load a web page.

I have at least one of these nearly every time I use it (which is every day).

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rockerboy007
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:06:52 PM
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Hi. Really nice article. Yes I do think PS3 is a better choice now for gamers unless you are a very hardcore Halo and/or Gears fan. But I think I still have to give the accessibility and online edge to Xbox 360.

It's only for this category but for other ones the winner is PS3....

Thanks. :)

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BeezleDrop
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 12:17:21 PM
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There is no need to defend Sony for everything it has to offer. Everyone has they're opinion and I can respect that, I know personal preference makes all the difference in this "console war" which shouldn't exist in the first place.

I won't ever be able to take any Xbox junkie seriously because of the same argument every time, Live is better. Really? Is that why I don't pay for online gaming and they constantly are updating it to make it even better?
Yeah well, I like the 360 Controller, ok. That doesn't matter in the least. Cool but I prefer Sony's controller because I grew up using it an d it's ideal for fighting and racing in my opinion. OK, well the 360 has Halo, Gears, and Fable. I see, has anyone noticed since the 2nd Halo all they have been doing is milking the community until all they're money is gone? and Gears? The first was a blast! But the second was just awful so give me a break, and apparently the 1st Fable rocked which is great but of course the 2nd was awful. Talk about sales all day, no one cares. They get RROD's because they made a bad choice. The Xbox community has been suffering for some time now and honestly it's almost hilarious to watch all the devoted nerds go down with the ship.

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Club80
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 1:13:21 PM
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Sony has brilliant business minds for doing this now, no doubt. Now if they can get their marketing department to step up their game, the PS3 will totally dominate this holiday season and beyond.

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Ivan_PSP
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 2:20:16 PM
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The PS3 can now destroy all its competitors especially the Wii which is still $250 with basically PS2 technology. The PS3 is #1 in Amazon already. No one can compete with Sony's first and second party games they are truly unrivaled. Sony is gaming. The PSN is awesome plus free and the store is wonderful full of content and is easy to navigate unlike the one for Xbox 360 i stop using it is bloated and confusing as hell. Microsoft as software and hardware company they are pure garbage they have no idea how to engineer/develop a master piece, Sony always managers to accomplish that with everything they do. We all know the end is near for Nintendo's selling streak and Microsoft. is OVER. Sony will soon at least be closer to 1st place again, to reclaim their rightful place as the #1 video gaming company in the world. I have a Xbox 360 Arcade with 20gb i hardly look at it.

My PSN ID: Ivan-

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 2:38:21 PM

Yeah, you know what? If you want to promote Sony and bash the competition, please do it somewhere ELSE.

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Jawknee
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 8:39:42 PM

The can have some pretty polished graphics. Depends on the game.

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OtisFeelgood
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 3:02:26 PM
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lol I think this is the most comments I ever seen for an article on this site...and I've been around for a long time now. ;o

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Andysw
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 4:08:01 PM
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Xbox 360:
$299.99 - system
$19.99 - play and charge kit
$99.00 - wireless adaptor
$49.00+ - xbox live
Total = $467.98+

Playstation 3:
$299.99 - system (everything standard)
Free - psn
Total = $299.99

With universal hdmi cable ($19.99), $487.97+ for xbox 360 and $319.98 for playstation 3. $167.99+ difference.

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Danny007
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 4:46:15 PM

And Activision thought the PS3 needed a price cut. The tables have turned.

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somethingrandom
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 2:48:40 PM

you forgot blu-ray

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emmykat
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 5:01:53 PM
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oh AND don't you have to Renew your xbox live like band every few months or something

Playstation will always win this battle for me, it was there first and i prefer them gaming wise...

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b3mike
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 11:11:18 PM

that's hot =D

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, August 23, 2009 @ 7:47:46 PM

Nice pic, but you might have to watch out for several lonely gaming guys trying to pick you up. Have fun with that!! :P

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fluffer nutter
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 5:53:22 PM
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Wow. That was a lot of reading on this thread. Some good points, some blatant bias, for and against the PS3, some fanboyish comments, some good facts, some retaliation. Wow. There's nothing more that I can really add except my personal opinion but it pretty much is in agreement with those that stated about the variety of games available for the PS3, retail and through PSN. I love the variety. I've got almost as many PSN games as I do blu-ray disc games. I wish there was a reason for me to continue playing with the Xbox 360 but I haven't seen anything appealing in many months. I'm open to games on all platforms, too.

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Gogaku
Friday, August 21, 2009 @ 11:16:00 PM
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Just to go slightly off topic, but it's still about the whole selling argument for consoles, so it's somewhat on topic anyway, hehe.

I recently looked at a PS Eye on amazon, and they had like a promo vid for it on the info page. I watched it, and I realized how incredibly close the functionality of the PS Eye is to the newly announced Natal for Xbox. I knew that it was somewhat similar, but I had forgotten how damn close it actually is to what MS showed of the Natal on E3. So... why was there such a big fuzz about the Natal when it was announced? It was trending on Twitter, I saw it on numerous news stations/news papers, It was high up on the daily views on youtube, Jimmy Fallon tried it out on his talk show, etc. Is it just that the news media is completely clueless that this has basically been in existence for the Playstation brand for years (starting with the Eye Toy for the PS2), or are they just very biased towards MS because they have big advertising bucks?

The whole Natal thing does look kinda cool, but for someone to have it as an argument for buying an xbox over a PS3 is just ridiculous since the same thing exists, and have existed for a long while, for the PS3 as well, it's just not that hyped for some reason. Another example of the whole "people being hardheaded about what they want to buy" - scenario that seems to be so evident with consumers today.

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YouISee
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 12:44:48 AM
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HAHAHA! Sony fanboys keep touting propaganda to make the PS3 sound better than it has proven itself thus far.

1. The Cell is not better than the 360 CPU/GPU. There is no significant proof unless you count fanboy arguments. For the most part, identical graphics. Potential programming is theory.

2. Blu-Ray doesn't make a GAMING system better. Most people don't even buy BR movies. So why does BR matter? Possibly more space, but the size of the game does not equate to better (e.g. Fat Princess).

3. Wi-Fi is not used by most gamers. So who cares if it's sold separately by MS?

4. Nobody can argue PSN is better than Live even it costs money. If PSN was better, then the adoption rate would be greater. In my own opinion, it's a bad copycat.

5. People still buying X360s despite the RROD just indicates it has some strength that a PS3 has not overtaken. Most would think that 360 should have lost support with the large number of failures, but people chose to buy another one rather than spend $400+ on a PS3. Why? I don't know, but that means the PS3 lacks something. Maybe #6

6. Exclusives until recently have for the most part SUCKED in the US. MGS4 is great. LBP is good. Uncharted 1 is good to okay. KZ2 is good. Every other exclusive just didn't get glowing reviews/support. Let's forget about Japan or Europe unless you live there. Basically, no Halos or Gears on PS3. The better selling games were all cross-platform.

I'm waiting on the better exclusives including Uncharted 2, GT5, and GOW3. Then there will be 7 games worth investing $600+. The system has some notable games, but the entry barrier and lack of a good start ruined Sony.

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Byakko2009
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 1:43:20 AM

1. The proof is this: Cell 10 core 3.2ghz processor. Meanwhile 360 CPU is 3 core 3.2ghz processor. No fanboyism there, just cold hard fact.

2. I buy BR movies and know others that do, so what's your point? I'll agree aside from MGS4, there isn't a huge game that has proven Blu-Ray to be a significant factor for games. However, I am not just a gamer, I have friends and we like to watch movies. The convenience is necessary when I want to switch from a game to a movie. Also, Blu-Ray is slowly proving to be a necessity for games. Just look at the upcoming games like Tales of Vesperia (fully voiced, bonus characters, etc on 1 disc), and Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2. Argue against it all you want, but games are becoming more demanding and do require more space. Did I mention the director of Tekken 6 is saying the next Tekken may not even appear on an Xbox platform because they are having trouble getting Tekken - A FIGHTING GAME MIND YOU - to fit on one single DVD disc.

3. Myself, I hate players who use wi-fi online as it's painfully slow, especially for fighters. However, I've come across a good number of gamers who use it. Keep in mind it's not always convenient to setup your internet to your console when a modem has to be setup somewhere else in your house. Nobody likes to run 30 foot ethernet cables through their house.

4. Sure they can, especially when some of us have tried Live and PSN. Don't you agree live should be doing something SPECTACULAR for spending $50 a year on the service? It simply doesn't however, and cross game chat - as highlander always says - is a freaking cell phone. Think about this: if Live has 10 million gold subscribers that's what $500 million dollars a year for that service? I'm sorry but if you're going to raking in that kind of dough, your service better be MILES ahead of PSN, which it is not.

5. They do lose support for that, however some people have invested in their 360s and aren't willing to throw it all out the window. Think about the DLC and other things people have purchased off of Live, etc. So what you said isn't saying much in regards to what PS3 is offering.

6. Okay, you give PS3 credit for its solid games up to this point. But Halo and Gears are also on PC, and it's just a matter of time before Gears 2 and Halo 3 are ported to PC, if they aren't already that is (I have no clue). What you're faling to talk about is the UPCOMING exclusives and you're not looking at the whole picture. PS3 is offering more diversity in genres. The 2 big games you mentioned were Gears and Halo which is sad if you ask me.

So wait, you pretty much are trying to say "Hey I want to play the upcoming games for PS3, but I still dislike PS3."? I can't understand the purpose of your post. I think somebody is having a little buyer's remorse and refuses to give credit where it's due? It's okay to be wrong my friend, constructive arguments can build character, it's just a matter of understanding. By the way, I don't see any fanboy arguments in this topic. If you haven't noticed PSXextreme has a great community, if you take the time to read the posts. No blind fanboys here, as Ben quickly handles them (PS3 or 360 fanboys alike).

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Andysw
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 6:55:06 AM

Good one bayakko.

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tes37
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 10:07:31 AM

The next xbox will use BluRay or get left behind. I hope they choose the left behind scenario.

Last edited by tes37 on 8/22/2009 10:08:58 AM

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Jawknee
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 11:08:57 AM

Xbox won't use blue ray unless M$ makes a deal with the "devil". (Sony) If M$ asked Sony for help with their lack of blue ray problem, Sony should say no. Hey it's dirty business but M$ started it with their FUD tactics and slander.

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SaintX
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 12:37:49 PM

Please don't forget to mention the game by sucker punch, inFamous. That game is really good (awesome) from my point of view and I am sure others do think the same. On the other hand, talking about Blu-ray movies, blu-ray addoption rate is increasing rapidly. One of the latest movie which was just released on dvd and Blu-Ray, more than 30% of it are Blu-rays. On the other hand, the reason why people kept buying 360s even after their system RRODed on them, just shows hows naive consumers can be and poor consumer behaviour. Besides that, Xbox die hard fans will keep on continuing to buy a new xbox when their 360 totaled, denying the fact that they will eventually spend more money buying replacement units rather than settling for the ps3. Out of the 30 million units sold worldwide, I would say bout 2-3 million units are inactive, or in the recylcing centre or some dump site. 2-3 million, is it an under or overstatement?

Last edited by SaintX on 8/22/2009 12:43:43 PM

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mastiffchild
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 2:16:26 PM

Firstly don't get upset when someone comes to a site for gamers of a platform they don't own just to wind you all up-they're being silly and so are we if we bite, aren't we?

Besides, anyone calling others fanboys with views as daft as these is obviously one of a different flavour themselves. I've said above that the biggest barrier as I seeit to PS3 expanding it's western userbase is the fact that many of us have way more mates that game on the 360. It's hard to turn your back on that alone but when we consider that lots of people will have a healthy bought library of games for their consoles is it that amazing that when a 360 dies it's owner doesn't always turn their back on the platform?

Sure they could, maybe should get a PS3(esp now the price has lowered)but then they'd be starting from scratch with no games and fewer mates to play online with whether it's free with more dedicated servers or not.

My point is there are reasonable reasons for wanting to stick wit 360 or even choose that route now as your first HD console. I wouldn't myself, not as a single console anyway, but the reasons are there and don't have to be the FUD posted above us.

In fact when I saw his opinions of the relative exclusives I was amazed as nothing on 360 compares to the quality of MGS4, Uncharted , Killzone2, U2, Folklore(criminally ignored), VC(again with the ignored),LBP, RAC:TOD, ACIT, Warhawk, R2(still love the coop more than any game on 360-better than Horde on Gears2 even)and with the likes of HR, GT5, GOW3, QT, Suda's just announced PS3 exclusive, TLG and MAG incoming(and without listing the great PSN games on offer the standard seems to be getting even better! Right now I only use my 360 for Gears2, L4D(when noone I know is on PC)and ME. I'm not a fan of Halo so that cuts out a big reasn to love Live as well I guess but the games I look forward to on the 360 are fewer than those on the PS3(right now it's SCC, AW and ME2 mainly)-and don't sart me on how dull Fable games are!

In short as far as the games go now that multis are practically identical in 99% of cases(evidenced by big hitters being better sellers on PS3 these days-SF4, RE5 and TR:U for starters and FF13 will do too)I reaally don't think the 360 competes very well anymore. So don't get upset by dolts like this spamming up sites they have zero good reason to even be in.

Last edited by mastiffchild on 8/22/2009 2:19:04 PM

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NiteKrawler
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 2:35:52 PM

Again, nice reality check Mastiff. For both sides.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 10:36:16 AM
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Please don't bother with YouISee. You guys should be able to recognize another fanboy troll from N4G by now. ;)

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ShadowRunner
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 6:06:12 PM
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"Consumers Will Choose The PS3 Slim Over The Xbox 360"

Ben, you are assuming consumers are smart.

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PaiNT_kinG
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 11:57:43 PM
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PS3 for the win ;)

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PaiNT_kinG
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 11:57:51 PM
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PS3 for the win ;)

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PaiNT_kinG
Saturday, August 22, 2009 @ 11:58:04 PM
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PS3 for the win ;)

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Titch1794
Sunday, August 23, 2009 @ 1:03:37 PM
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I have alot of stuborn freinds who will not convert to ps3 even now when the price drop has begun. 1 of my freinds even traded their ps3 in to get an xbox 360, how mad is that.

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Ricochet
Sunday, August 23, 2009 @ 2:26:47 PM

It's okay. You know there's a better community in the PSN.

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Titch1794
Sunday, August 23, 2009 @ 1:03:41 PM
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MaximusArcher
Sunday, August 23, 2009 @ 7:03:21 PM
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Hi,
Felt I had to post!

I agree with the points in the article; but it is still a massive assumption to make.

The additional two factors, and probably the most important ones, were missing.

Brand loyalty and peers machine of choice.

If the two items above are NOT a factor then the articles point stands.

However, they usually do, and they're usually the over-riding factors!

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NiteKrawler
Sunday, August 23, 2009 @ 8:25:54 PM

Brand loyalty really only affects morons. For example, I love the PS3, but I have a Samsung HDTV. To me, Samsung makes better TVs. In the end, brand loyalty is the driving force of the fanboy.

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Ricochet
Sunday, August 23, 2009 @ 10:50:36 PM

You have to conflicting choices of "Brand Loyalty" and "peers machine of choice".

Most PS3's fanbase are from the "Brand Loyalty" group.

Most 360 fanbase are from the "peers machine of choice" group.

They don't group together.

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MaximusArcher
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 4:05:00 AM

Brand loyalty really only affects morons?

This is a sweeping statement, and quite untrue.
Is everyone, and I mean everyone, a moron?

Brand loyalty is prevalent in all facets of life.

Think outside of the ps3/xbox debate...

Is someone a moron because they prefer Coke over Pepsi? BMW over Mercedes?

Is someone a moron because they prefer coke over pepsi? BMW over Mercedes?

Last edited by MaximusArcher on 8/24/2009 4:09:07 AM

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NiteKrawler
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 7:27:10 AM

Yes, brand loyalty only affects morons. If you stick with an obviously inferior product merely because of brand loyalty, you are a moron. It's just that simple. Going with a product you deem inferior is like going against your beliefs just to be labeled as a liberal or conservative.

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MaximusArcher
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 2:56:50 AM
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Smacks of burying your head in the sand.
Let me explain...

If I have bought a ps1, ps2, psp it is a pretty good assumption I will purchase a ps3.
The same goes for if all of my friends have xboxes, it's a fair assumption to say an xbox would be my preferred console.

These are peoples over-riding factors.

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MaximusArcher
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 4:12:47 AM

^and these assumptions are totally interchangable!

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MaximusArcher
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 3:01:38 AM
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@nite crawler...

You love samsungs, so if you need a new tv, and you are left with 2 options a samsung and a sharp (lets assume they both have the same spec), which one would you gravitate more towards?!

Brand loyalty?

And lastly, brand loyalty may promote fanboyism to a certain extent, but that doesn't mean it isn't a huge factor. It exists.

Last edited by MaximusArcher on 8/24/2009 3:07:58 AM

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NiteKrawler
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 7:32:50 AM

*sigh* You don't get what I'm saying. If I see a Samsung and a Sharp and (to me) they are exactly the same, I'll go with the cheaper product. As it stands, I almost always come to the conclusion that Samsung TVs are better. If someone is trying to choose between a 360 and a PS3, and after knowing all the facts, chooses the 360 because they think it is better, that is fine. But if someone knows something is flawed beyond belief and still choose it because of a name stamped on the side, they are ignorant and natural selection must do away with them.

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Ricochet
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 9:15:16 AM

@NightKrawler.

You must really hate the 360 don't you? In face value, the PS3 truly is the best console to purchase. People buy the 360 for the games and online, frighteningly to the point where the ignore 'logical consumer' logic to dispose of the product after multiple systems of failure. I really hope they don't apply that kind of logic anywhere else.

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NiteKrawler
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 9:43:48 AM

To me, the 360 is inferior. Does that mean that the 360 is truly inferior? Not really. I know that many people objectively like the 360 better and I respect that. What I don't respect is if someone thinks the 360 is inferior, but gets it anyway just because of brand loyalty. They are the morons.

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MaximusArcher
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 9:50:55 AM

Brand loyalty arises from having previous software from earlier versions.

I'm stuck, what's difficult to understand about that?

Not wasting my back catalogue, that's not moronic, that's sensible.

Last edited by MaximusArcher on 8/24/2009 9:52:58 AM

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NiteKrawler
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:24:48 AM

Sony's consoles have always dominated and they have always been great. So say, for example, the PS3 was a horrendous piece of junk. Stubborn brand loyalists would still pay out for it. Sensible indeed...

*Note: I love the PS3 and it is my console of choice. The above is just a fictitious example.

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MaximusArcher
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 9:47:04 AM
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I understand completely what you’re saying; I think the problem is that you don’t comprehend what I am saying.

If someone is trying to choose between a 360 and a PS3, and after knowing all the facts, chooses the 360 because they think it is better, that is fine.

I’ve already said I agree with Ben’s article, and if I was the first of my friends to buy a console and I didn’t have any previous games then yes, PS3 would be the default system of choice.

However, this is usually not the case.

Think about the following statements:

My friends all play PS3, I buy a PS3.
My friends all play 360, I buy 360.

I have PS2 games, I buy PS3.
I have XBOX games, I buy 360.

One last point and I’m going back a bit here...

VHS/Betamax.

For the record, I own a PS3 and a PSP; I’ve had all incarnations of the PS.

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NiteKrawler
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:27:09 AM

Yeah, I see what you are saying and I agree. Some had already made a point of that above and I agreed. The only point I was trying to make is that no one should be loyal to a brand just for the sake of being loyal. Anyone who is, to me, is a moron.

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