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Kaz Hirai Talks PS3 Slim, Price Drop Timing, Motion Control

It has been a big year for Sony and Kaz Hirai. The SCE boss introduced us all to the PSP Go at E3 and last week, he proudly unveiled the PS3 Slim, which also represented the long-awaited and much-appreciated price cut.

Not long after, he had a chat with the TimesOnline, and the interview includes plenty of important topics, as you can see. As for the Slim, Hirai said Sony "felt it was the right time;" the combination of cheaper components and the increasingly impressive exclusive software lineup contributed to this decision. As for the current sales, Hirai said it's not a good idea to try to make an examination on the third anniversary of a system that has a 10-year lifespan. "The fifth anniversary and beyond is when we really start to say, 'how's our trajectory looking?'" Hirai also wanted to clear the air regarding critics who said Sony tried to pack too much into the console; he reminds us all that when he first came back to Japan to promote the PS3, he wanted to reinforce the fact that the PS3 is a games machine first. They go on to talk about bringing new gamers to the PS3; Hirai says the best way to do this is simple: "compelling video game titles." We gotta agree with that..don't you?

As for the motion control that wowed us all at E3, he says we can expect to see this new technology by "spring of next year." While the technology is great, though, Hirai still wants to have "great software that supports" that special controller. Lastly, Hirai answered a common question concerning the fate of physical media; here's his response to the query, "Do you think physical media such as DVDs and even Blu-Ray have a limited time left?"-

"No. Perhaps we can sit down three years from now and have a beer, or two or ten, while we wait to download 40 gigabytes of data for a full ps3 game. That's still going to take a lot of time. We're in over 100 countries and there are areas where consumers still don't have access to the type of broadband that we have. The death of physical media is a very nice conclusion, that seems to be nice to say, but it’s not something we're going to see soon. We are committed to the PSP 3000 and the UMD business. A lot of people like to speculate that we're getting out of that business, but nothing could be further from the truth. We're not going to deprive consumers in all those other countries."

We've always liked this guy. Hirai and Tretton have also appeared to be competent, highly skilled executives who are also straight-shooters. And as far as we can tell, based on the events of the past year or so, Hirai and Co. have done one hell of a job in bringing the PS3 into the limelight and keeping it there.

8/24/2009 John Shepard

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Comments (95 posts)

Morals
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:04:35 PM
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I just hope we never have to download large games, took me 6 hours to download Burnout cant imagine a ps3 Kojima game for download.

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sticklife
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:29:12 PM

How big is burnout?

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Jed
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:06:23 AM

I was kind of suprised that they made burnout a downloadable game.

Did the 6 hours include the cagney, bikes, and trophies updates?

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faraga
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 3:58:19 AM

sticklife:
About 3.5 gigs (excluding the patches).

I just let the game download overnight.

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www
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 7:11:52 AM

And Burnout Paradise is even small, about 2+ GB on the 360 Games On Demand. Downloading is just annoying!

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Orvisman
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 9:56:10 AM

Microsoft branding at its best, Games On Demand.

When asked if Sony plans to get into the Games On Demand business, Sony executives say no. So, it looks like M$ft is innovating again.

Right?

No!

Sony has had full games up for download now for a while: Socom Confrontation, Siren, Warhawk, and Burnout Paradise anyone? If these aren't "Games On Demand," then what is?

Sony's mistake is not branding everything like M$ft because Sony hasn't realized yet that the youth of today, and some older folk, really like their branding. If it has a cool name, it must be cool and innovative and the best thing since sliced bread.

Sony has yet to realize how gullible and lemming like most people are today.

Sony's other mistake, like the EyeToy and PS3Eye (although Sony is sort of addressing the PS3Eye situation now), is that it has not put up enough full PS3 games for download. R, R2, the R&Cs, iNfamous, Killzone 2, and select third-party games should be available.

But without the proper branding Sony doesn't have an equivalent to M$ft's Games On Demand service, just like it has an inferior network compared with Xbox Live... and it always will.

Because, let's be honest, Xbox Live is such a cooler name than Playstation Network; therefore, it must be better than PSN and worth paying $50 to use.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 10:50:23 AM

@Orvisman

You're right. With Microsoft it's all about presentation and not substance. All talk, no trousers.

This year's E3 was like a retelling of the Emperor's New Clothes with MS talking up Natal as if it were new (obviously it's not) and talking up a game expansion as if it were the greatest exclusive of the year...

I don't honestly think Sony should play the MS game. When Sony responds to MS, Sony looks like a follower. When MS responds to Sony, MS looks like a follower.

MS brings Natal, Sony needs to subtly point to the Eyetoy and PSEye and sixaxis controllers and smile. Microsoft touts 'Games on Demand', Sony needs to subtly talk up PSN games, PSP minis, PSP digital distribution and of course full PS3 games for download. Rather than answering directly Sony needs to simply talk up it's own products in ways that leave people noticing that Microsoft is essentially copying what Sony has already done.

Just like the Emperor's New Clothes, not everyone will recognize a naked, fat man with a crown for what he is. So although many may realize the situation, many will continue to see MS as an innovator no matter what. And when you show them they are incorrect, they will gloss over it by saying something like, "Oh, well, Microsoft's thing is different and better." When you ask how it's better, they'll answer with something like "It just is." because in truth it's no better, but it's glossy, shiny and new...and expensive...and they have to justify their investment of time and effort in supporting it...

Sad isn't it?

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godsman
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:06:56 PM
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Yes I don't understand why people keep saying digital distribution is the future. It's the distant future. Sony is a console that is popular all around the world, and not just in the US.

It just doesn't make me feel like i own anything unless I have something in my hand. Even when I purchase Marvel vs Capcom, I would buy the retail version and then download it, so I have a case and manual.

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Highlander
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:26:44 PM

Just look at who the most vocal supporters of digital distribution are, and who are the most vocal critics of BluRay. They're the same folks, and a lot of them work in or around Redmond....

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sticklife
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:30:18 PM

No book came with MVSC2, that's why I got it.

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johnld
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 11:29:49 PM

I agree, i prefer to have a physical media with me vs digital media. Kaz knows what he's talking about and i also believe the US is not ready for a completely digital gaming. I feel uneasy of having all digital games because when by ps3 died i had to redownload all the games i bought online. Its not much but it was still a pain. I couldnt imagine what it would be like do download metal gear solid 4. Plus what where the hell are we going to be keeping these space hogging games.

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Hezzron
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 10:02:38 AM

Most internet providers are putting a limit on monthly downloads in order to fight piracy, yet some in the gaming industry want to create more bandwidth traffic by going with exclusively digital downloads. Something's gonna have to give. I just don't want to be stuck downloading a game for hours when I could pick it up in 20 minutes at my Best Buy.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 11:11:46 AM

Kaz just nails it here with this quote,

"Perhaps we can sit down three years from now and have a beer, or two or ten, while we wait to download 40 gigabytes of data for a full ps3 game. "

As he implies, even in three years it will take time to D/L 40GB of anything. Good grief, right now on my Internetet connection it'd take Something like 38 hours to download 40GB.

40GB is 42,949,672,960 bytes or 343,597,383,680 bits. A 3Mbit/second connection loses about 20% of it's speed due to network overheads and transient errors meaning in practice I get about 2.5Mbits/second of effective bandwidth. At that rate the 40GB download will take 136533 seconds which after a quick bit of math translates to a whopping 37.9 hours. That assumes that nothing else uses my bandwidth and that my ISP doesn't cap me. If my wife and son are using the web, doing some gaming and making a phone call or two, that download time will stretch past 40 hours. A full BluRay at 50GB would take literally two days to download.

Even if I had 10 times the bandwidth (30Mbits/second) I have now it'd still take 4 hours to download a full 40GB game. A full BluRay would be around 5 hours at that rate. I'd need a fiber optic Net hookup to achieve that level of performance consistently.

Imagine if I had 20 times the network bandwidth I have now. We're still looking at 2 hours for the game and 2 and a half hours for the movie. Well, at least the movie will download about as fast as it needs to to play as we download. Even then, I'd still be completely saturating my network connection for one download. Imaging if there were 100 people in my neighborhood doing the same thing. start multiplying the bandwidth up to the level of an ISP with a million or more customers, and say 10% of them are simultaneously hammering the network to download a game or movie. Even if we only have 30Mbit connections that's still 3,000,000 Mbits/ second. Or 3 Tera-bits/second. That's for only 100,000 customers simultaneously downloading something. Imagine that scaled up to the full size of the Internet population in the US alone. The numbers are mind boggling.

Oh, PS, where the heck am I keeping all this stuff? a 1TB hard disk can hold 20 50GB BluRay images, or 25 games at the 40GB size Kaz suggested. How many have 1TB drives? How do you back them up? With a smaller disc, you'd have no choice but to remove older content when something new comes along. Imagine though how long you'd wait to re-download a game that you removed due to space constraints...OOps, hard disc failure. Now you lost everything. Prepare to take a week off while you download all your stuff again.

It's just laughable that people push download as a viable option. Most of the world's Internet users don't even have a reliable 3Mbit link, and many have bandwidth caps that limit their monthly use far below 40GB. It's completely insane to suggest that physical media will give way to downloads any time soon.

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Alienange
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 9:47:27 PM

@ hezzron73 - Brick and Mortar FTW !

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:23:46 PM
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When the man is right the man is right, can't argue with a damn thing he said.

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King James
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:30:11 PM

lol...Hows your fingers, WorldEndsWithOblivion?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:40:08 PM

haha, numb my man!

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King James
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:41:55 PM

How many hrs you got logged? You finish the Knights of the Nine Quest? The Main Quest?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 12:11:51 AM

only 45 so far, and I've barely put a dent in it. I havent done the extra quests yet, I've just been putting around making money and upping my skills. There's never enough damn money lol

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King James
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:19:02 AM

Ah yes, the hustle. Know your merchants. Sell weapons to the weapons lady. Sell Armor to the armor guy. And ALWAYS come back to the same ones. U can't do this effectively if u don't have a house so buy that shack in the main town and use it. U'll be rich in no time.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 3:45:57 AM

@World

Make sure you max the merchant's disposition and haggle for the best rate. Once you get your mercantile skill to journeyman, sell to whomever has the LEAST mercantile skill.

I've got piles of daedric weapons lying around all my houses, waiting to be sold. You'll get there eventually.

Also, finish the main quest a.s.a.p. It's a pain trying to keep allied NPCs alive if you wait too long (like I did), even with the difficulty cranked down to 1.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 4:03:49 AM

thanks for the tips guys, yeah i did buy that shack, anyway I think we might be grinding Ben's gears getting off topic. :D

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Highlander
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:30:11 PM
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Kaz knows a thing or two.

It is *very* nice to hear a technically competent senior executive of a company like Sony talking about broadband access in a way that is real. Kaz is utterly on the ball on this one.

I'm so tired of hearing the siren song of broadband from people who think that upscaled DVD is the same as HD and therefore believe that an HD video stream stuffed into a 3MBit link is acceptable. It's just great to know that at least one of the major CE companies understands that the majority of consumers don't have access to true high speed broadband yet, and may not for many years to come.

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tes37
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:54:58 PM

I remember when I first got my ps3 the upscale software wasn't as good as it is now, and dvd's looked blurry. They have improved it alot since, but there is still a big difference in bluray and upscaled dvd's that is noticeable on my 32'' hdtv. I can imagine how awful it looks on larger tvs. Their argument holds water on handheld tvs though.

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godsman
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 11:15:59 PM

The PS3 upscaling has much better sound quality than most regular dvd 1080p upscalers. The video quality are smoother too. Even the youtube quality videos look better.

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King James
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:40:42 PM
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Always admired the Sony execs. They have a certain personality, charisma, and class about them that reflects Sony's company culture. And a great business culture leads to a great company that can't be stopped. Ask Google.

Nintendo execs are getting lazy and are lil' too gay (gay as in happy/friendly), and seem to be on cruise control. And most of Microsoft's execs are just douches. Hence, Peter Moore left and now runs EA Sports, which has improved tremendously since he arrived.

Sony knows how to pick em, and it shows in their products and their developers. Thats why, to me, Phil Harrison will bring Atari back to greatness. Still wish he was with Sony, but he wanted to do his own thing which I can always respect.

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Scarecrow
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:40:43 PM
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Well said Hirai!
Agree with him fully

Physical media is very important

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:42:20 PM

without physical media its just game masturbation.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 12:00:00 AM

lol yeah
We need to feel those discs spinning

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:41:53 PM
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I love how these guys are totally unfazed by sales competitions with MS, they act like they don't even know it's going on. :)

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King James
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:42:39 PM

Its called experience. It makes your think more long-term.

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Jed
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:10:43 AM

They know that they have got one badass product that will outlast the others. I bet Kaz feels like he's on top of the world after gamescom.

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Zemus101
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:43:49 PM
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Well maybe I won't trade all my UMDs in then. Although I should somehow ...get a PSP3000. Can you trade in the old models of PSP? Hmmm ...wonder if I'd get anything for it :P Probably just best to hang onto it but it's so damn heavy compared to the 3000. Can't imagine how light the PSPGo is

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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:58:54 PM

Yes you can, gamestop takes em lol

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ThePearlJamer
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 11:45:03 PM

Gamestop offered me 40 bones for a PSP2000 two months after it came out which I'm sure they just would've resold it for like $100 at least...I just hung on to it...

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 3:59:35 AM

Ha! They offered me $6 for my GBA-SP (back when the SP was still being sold); needless to say I kept it.

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ThePearlJamer
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 10:49:50 PM
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I don't know about Kaz and his 12 beer sit down, but I max out at like 5 or 6

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tes37
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 11:22:00 PM

He said ten, but I stop counting after five or six too.

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Jed
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:11:54 AM

six is pertty high for me too.

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yak4life85
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:27:40 AM

You guys are weak. Gaming and beer drinking is my game. 10 beers minimum every time i sit down to drink!

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ThePearlJamer
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 9:06:35 AM

Can someone say liver failure...

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Jawknee
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 9:17:04 AM

I'd sit down and pound a few and talk games with the Kaz. I'm with PearlJammer though. Six is my limit. I could drink more, but probably shouldn't cause i'd end up on the floor or end up stealing all his stuff and hawkin it.

I bet the Kaz likes Ichiban or Saporo.

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Hezzron
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 9:55:25 AM

Someone should sit down and get him liquored up.....could you imagine the inside info we'd get from those loose lips?

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fluffer nutter
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 3:43:19 PM

I can say the words liver damage but don't see the merit in that comment. Drinking ten beers won't do anything. It all depends on your weight, food intake, time of consumption, and many other factors. I drink plenty but I also exercise and hydrate myself properly. I know, going off topic but we gotta dispell the spreading of bad information.

I'd get a slim but already have two perfectly running PS3's. Looking forward to the motion controls and the endless possibilities. Wow. What a year for SCE and it's not going to stop for many, many months. Guess I won't be adding a supercharger to my car so soon.

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mustang750r
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 11:10:21 PM
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kinda off topic??

accoring to amazon.com right now in the video game section the PS3 Slim is number 1 in Video Games Top Sellers list.

I'm going to have a shot of Bacardi in celebration. Who will join me!? lol

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mustang750r
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 11:40:36 PM

amazon also has the Slim listed to be available August 25.
I guess I need to have another shot. lol *hic*

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Jed
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:14:22 AM

no Bacardi, but I can hear that bottle of Jack calling...

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yak4life85
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:29:04 AM

I hear a Hennessey bottle coming from over here in Washington State!

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mustang750r
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:45:06 AM

I don't care what you bring as long as we get partying baby!

To make it more awesome Batman AA for the PS3 is in fourth. Assorted drinks for everyone. lol

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LividFiction
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:54:24 PM

Jim for me, but I'm with you all the way! Ironically as the PS3 and PSP get slimmer we'll all be getting fatter in celebration.

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DarthNemesis
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 11:21:39 PM
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"Hirai also wanted to clear the air regarding critics who said Sony tried to pack too much into the console"

I find it odd that people would criticize a company for trying to make the best entertainment system possible and yet completely turn a blind eye mediocre technology as well as defective products.

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johnld
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:07:09 AM

well, they did have a year to talk about it. Now they moved on to next thing. the other ones old new already and not worth beating it to death.

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Kangasfwa
Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 11:50:07 PM
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That interview gave this impression:

Times Online: So, life kinda sucks right now, huh?

Hirai: Actually, life is pretty good. Ask us again in a couple years when we'll be able to reflect on what's happened.

Anyway, it is a good interview. Hirai was confidant and informative without the holier-than-thou attitude some CEOs give off (like Kotick).

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Mista
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 1:01:01 AM
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Gotta love Kaz for dropping that knowledge bomb. Sony has definitely made great strides with software and hardware to put Sony's fate in it's own hands from here. Last year was all about MS flexing their stolen exclusives and Nintendo counting their bags of money. The Wii has already faded to the point where they are milking sequels already ( Metroid trilogy, Mario Galaxy 2, a new Zelda w/o any gameplay or story to even show ) and the 360 milking a Halo expansion as a new Halo title. Natal, Alan Wake and Mass Effect are the only things interesting comin anytime soon. Then we have Sony who is flexing al kind off impresive muscle this year from hardware, software, to price cuts and the next year looks just as stellar with blockbuster after blockbuster with no sign of slowing anytime soon. MS and Nintendo are getting stale and need to come up with more fresh, original, good content or get ready to turn over this gen to Sony, they have all the momentum and nothing in the foreseable future from Ninty or MS is gonna stop the PS train from rolling them right over.... Choo Choo!! P.S. Phil Harris has to be kicking himself for leaving to go to Atari... Did anyone see Atari's earning report? Prob be the next to be bought out, I believe Phil has stepped down to a qualty control figure or something of those lines if I'm correct.

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VersusAlby
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 8:13:40 AM

sorry a bit to much nintendo hate
Metroid Prime Trilogy comes out because many people wants to buy it
Three excellent games in a package whats wrong with that
Mario Galaxy 2 is a sequel to a succesful game
would you consider GoW3 milking

But I agree in some terms
For one good Wii game you also get a lot of trashy ones
and nintendo shouldn't depend solely on the casuals which would jump to any other console the hardcore are the most important group

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Jawknee
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 12:45:09 PM

Dude Nintendo has been milking these franchises for decades and I for one don't mind because they just keep getting better and better. Can't wait for Metroid Prime Trilogy and any new Zelda is sure to top the previous one. I love my Wii just as much as Iove my PS3. They're both great systems to have.

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Alienange
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 10:19:08 PM

Milking sequels? Are you kidding me? It took them three years to just announce another Zelda game. No, they're not milking sequels, they're failing to deliver sequels. Nintendo claims to be catering to children and yet their sequels come out long after the children have grown up! Nintendo, with all their great IPs, fails to release satisfying software in a timely fashion.

Re-releases with new controls has got to be the biggest rip off in gaming history.

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te la meti 14
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 1:41:01 AM
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i preorder my ps3 slim already

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Jawknee
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 12:59:22 PM

Im tempted but Im already purchasing three games this month. Which isn't something I normally do. Batman: AA, Final Fantasy: Dissidia and the Metroid Prime Trilogy. My Slim PS3 is going to have to wait. =/

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Kiryu
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:04:59 AM
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"We're not going to deprive consumers in all those other countries."
Nice Comment!

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Jed
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:26:05 AM
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I prefer to have physical media. Downloading PSN games is great, but not for full retail games.

It's good to hear their stance on the situation. I understand that people are always speculating about what the next thing will be, but we don't yet have the technology to go fully digital. It wont happen until it is more convenient to download a full retail game than to go down the street and buy one, and unless you live 5 hours from the nearest retailer and have the fastest internet currently possible, it is not convenient.

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Charger7302
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:28:24 AM
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Offtopic-What was the name of the guy who Kaz Harai replaced as head of playstation?

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 11:53:19 AM

Ken Kutaragi aka the father of PlayStaion. Ken is the visionary that brought the PlayStation, PlayStation2 and the PlayStation 3 to the world. He's not talked about much now, and a lot of people are derisive of him calling him 'Krazy Ken'. However Mr Kutaragi is truly an industry leader, a pillar on which gaming as we know it was built, and possibly the most important voice behind the creation and growth of the PlayStation brand. His contribution to video gaming cannot be overstated.

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Orvisman
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 1:43:13 PM

Amen Highlander!

Unfortunately Uncle Ken became the scapegoat for the PS3's slow start.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 3:07:49 PM

"Krazy" Ken is a visionary engineer, but Kaz is a better spokesman than him. I really miss Phil, though; he was the best.

One problem with the way businesses are run is that people are promoted out of the jobs they do well, because they "deserve" to be "in charge". Kutaragi should have been left in charge of making the hardware, instead of promoted to president and then pushed out the door.

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___________
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:33:47 AM
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they should of dropped the price before infamous came out.
i dont see the point in dropping the price now, when theres no PS3 exclusives comming till the middle of october.
they would of been better off dropping it just before infamous came out, and may be it would of sold a hell of allot better.
its a shame for SP they made the best game on PS3 and there not getting rewarded properly for it.

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ShadowRunner
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 3:44:25 AM
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Why doesn't he talk about Advertising?!!!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 4:04:37 AM
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funny it isn't even called a "PS3 Slim" but that seems to have stuck.

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Imagi
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 4:54:44 AM
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People who harp on about not wanting digital distribution and the same time use drm encumbered services or iTunes should shut the hell up!

It is these hypocritical tards that helped pave the way towards the download only model.

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newchef
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 8:57:03 AM

the reason people use itunes and most other digital downloads is because there relatively quick and easy to do, however if you try to download a full sized game it take hours, just imagine trying to download a FF game it would probably take a day or two

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 11:16:17 AM

Just downloading FFVII took a couple of hours, and it's not even 2GB in size.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 12:41:53 PM

Couple of hours to download FFVII? only took me 40+ minutes.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 1:05:00 PM

DSL not cable, plus I'm not right next to the telco's DSL hub location - aka local exchange. So I only see about 2.5Mbits/second as an effective bandwidth. Remember DSL speed decreases as you move further down the copper lines that connect you to the DSL hub. In fact my bandwidth is not bad. I need to switch to cable, but even then the sustained bandwidth on cable is only about double my current DSL speed.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 1:25:09 PM

I must be close then cause my DSL is pretty quick. I'm thinking of switching to cable though. Any benefit to that? Im a newb when it comes to connection speeds and bandwidth.

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Imagi
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 1:35:49 PM

10 years ago I suppose you would have said "I ain't waiting for my music to download, I am off to the store"


---@Jawknee
Cable is usually better, no contention (i.e does not slow down at peak times), more reliable connection, better infrastructure and higher speeds, now and in the future. I can up my connection to 50mb if I wanted with the hint of speeds around 125mb in the next couple of years
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Orvisman
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 1:46:08 PM

Go with Fios if you can.

I have the basic plan, nothing extra, and my service is 20/10.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 1:47:55 PM

Thanks Imagi and Orvis.

In regards to iTunes? I personally still prefer a physical cd over digital. I rip the songs and put them in my iPod. That way I'll have a hard copy incase the files are lost.

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Imagi
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:31:24 PM

Agree, having a physical CD is far better than downloading a lower quality rights restricted file from the web.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:53:38 PM

Regarding Fiber, it's not that widespread an option unfortunately, but definitely nice if you can get it.

DSL functions more like switched ethernet, in that you connect to a hub and the link between you and that hub is dedicated to you - it's a point to point link. So your bandwidth to the hub is dependent only on the distance between you and that hub (the telco CO).

Cable internet (not fiber optics) works more like the old style coax based ethernet where many users shared a single cable and contention becomes an issue as you increase the number of users. Modern cable networks use many, many more channels and multi-plex channels together for higher bandwidth, so contention is not the issue it once was. But because you are sharing the same signal spectrum with many other users, contention is a fact of life on a shared cable network.

Fiber networks are switched, so like DSL your link to the hub is yours, users are not daisy chained together, each one has their own fiber link. Of course fiber links are much, much faster than standard DSL.

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Orvisman
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 3:04:08 PM

I recommend going fiber if you can. No regrets. Nice for downloading. Better for online gaming.

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Skatejimmy5
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 7:06:04 AM
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I really don't hope that we'll get a digital only market. Sure, PSN games are nice and cheap, and they should stay that way. But I love my physical collection, so we should still be able to have that.

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www
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 7:13:58 AM
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"No. Perhaps we can sit down three years from now and have a beer, or two or ten"

Hahahahaa....Well said Kaz! Digital downloading is years off!

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Paolo Kutaragi
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 7:29:22 AM
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Just watching Kaz Hirai draws a smile on my face. He's charismatic, decent, funny and always comes with the big news.

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newchef
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 8:59:05 AM
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why are we all talking about digital-only games, if we even get it it wont be for another 7 years when the ps4 comes out...

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kevinater321
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 9:31:31 AM
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This guy really knows what he is talking about. I want to see him and that guy from activision (forget his name) fight to the death...But let Kaz use a gun :P

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bOnEs
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 10:10:55 AM
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i like these guys... no fluff or smoke & mirrors... these guys (kaz and tretton) say it like it is without beating around the bush...

no need to over-hype products and games for sony... they let the software speak for themselves...

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BigBoss4ever
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 10:48:34 AM
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I like Kaz and Trenton, and they are very confident in their product,and they are also capable of proving why they are confident in the product. PS3 will no doubt lead the generation in just about a year or so time, and with the PS3 Slim and PSP Go and great titles coming up, PS3 gamers like me are very excited.

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Mista
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 11:04:22 AM
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No it isn't Nintendo hate it's the truth. I grew up on Nintendo and got every system on launch including the Wii. Nintendo milks the same series over and over every gen. Mario Galaxy was fun but the footage so far for Galaxy 2 looks like a expansion pack with Yoshi thrown in. And any real Metroid fan already played all the primes. They added Wii control to the 1st two games.... Whipty doo! Metroid and Zelda are my favorite Nintendo franchises and I actually still own almost every version of each except the Wii iterations. Those two plus Mario and Pokemon is all that Nintendo has to keep them afloat anymore. I still have my Nes and N64. And I spent more money buying classic games off the vitual console than I did on actual wii games cause they are all sub par as far as multiplats go and beside Zelda, Mario and Prime and a few others like boom Blox and Wii sports ever got any play. I had more GC games than Wii games. It's fun for awhile till u realize that they only about 6-8 really good games that take advantage of the Wii controls and evrythimg else could be done probaly better with a standard controller. My Wii was a dust collector and that's why I sold it while the general public was still buying them like hot cakes. Thank god for the casual gamer cause at least I made back more than what I paid for the system.

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VersusAlby
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 11:35:59 AM

I still don't consider
Metroid Prime Trilogy or Super Mario Galaxy 2
we could argue forever about this^^

you have to know what you want if you buy a new nintendo console these days, there are games which I really want to play
Tales of Graces, Dragonquest 10 the next Metroid game (which is really interesting)
having only a Wii is really bad

you made valid points about the wii
They don't have that kind of spirit they had during the SNES era
currently playing more VC games than any Wii games


after SNES nintendo became like
Nintendo first party is really good
Third Party stays for a while and then disappears and sometimes you find some really good games
The only differnce in the Wii is that 3d party stays a bit longer than usual because they can make money now^^

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Jawknee
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 12:51:01 PM

Nintendo is awesome and the Wii kicks arse. The Metroid Prime Trilogy is a great addition to my collection of Gamecube M.Prime games. The Wii controls made MP3 one of the best FPS I've ever played and welcomed the news of MP1 and 2 coming to Wii with Wiimote suppert. I hope they port Wind Waker over to the Wii next with Wiimote and Nunchuk support.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 3:22:41 PM

@Mista

And for someone like me, who didn't own a Nintendo system except the GBA, they aren't offering much that makes me want to buy the system. I can live without the Mario or Zelda or Metroid games, because I have no attachment to those characters (and there aren't that many of them in any event). I'm not saying I wouldn't buy them, just that they won't make me buy the system.

And don't get me started on the "casual" games.

My number one reason to get a Wii: Eternal Darkness...which doesn't say much for the Wii's line-up.

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Titch1794
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 2:10:08 PM
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If everything was to change to digital downloads then people will need terrabyte hard drives for their ps3's.

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Xra897
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 7:22:57 PM
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beyond

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Mista
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 9:02:49 PM
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I still have MGS twin snakes , eternal darkness, all the zeldas, and metroids, and a few other hard to find goodies. Also my N64 with just about ne good game u can think of for it also.

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Alienange
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 @ 10:23:19 PM
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Nice article Shepard. This is why I love PSXExtreme

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