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Naughty Dog: Uncharted 2 Couldn't Possibly Run On Xbox 360

We just got finished telling you why Naughty Dog's Uncharted 2: Among Thieves needed to be atop your holiday wish list, and now, we learn about even more crucial and enticing details.

In a recent ArsTechnica interview with Naughty Dog co-president Christophe Balestra, the first words out of his mouth are, "I guarantee that this game couldn't be working on Xbox 360. It would be impossible. I'm 100 percent sure of this." It seems the team has really worked hard to push the PlayStation 3; they've completely filled up the Blu-Ray disc to "100%" as there is 25GB of data and as Balestra says, "we're using every single bit of it." As for the development aspect, he says they've been able to make it so the player will go through "the entire game without loading," and Uncharted 2 won't have a mandatory install, either. Balestra goes on to talk about the capability of the PS3's internal capabilities:

"The ability to use the RSX [the PS3's graphics processor] to draw your pixels on the screen, then you use the Cell to do gameplay and animations—we kind of took the step of using the Cell process to help the RSX . All those things are done on the Cell processor. It really helps us getting that quality of lighting per pixel; the amount of computation is pretty crazy."

And because Naughty Dog is a first-party developer and only designs games for PlayStation hardware, Balestra said they've "invested a lot of time in maximizing the power of the machine. That's our job, to make the PS3 shine." Well, shine it will once Uncharted 2 is in the disc drive. Anybody have any doubts now?

Related Game(s): Uncharted 2: Among Thieves

8/27/2009 Ben Dutka

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Comments (79 posts)

mexgeo86
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 10:47:46 AM
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bravo!

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Hezzron
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 10:51:54 AM
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Xbox 360 games can hardly run on that faulty machine. Uncharted 2 is gonna rule!

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ace_boon_coon
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 1:21:51 PM

the 360 might catch fire and burn your house down if it tried to run uncharted lol lol.

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napoleon85
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 10:53:48 AM
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those are the kind of news Im talking about!

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OtisFeelgood
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 10:56:50 AM
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What? Someone thought Uncharted could be ran on the 360? lol

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godsman
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 11:07:04 AM
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I have a feeling that Final Fantasy will be 25 gigs too and Square Enix tries to pack that into 3 dvds. I wonder how Uncharted on Xbox looks on a watered down version. I think it's possible, just wont look as amazing.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 11:24:18 AM

I guess as it stands it wouldn't be possible, but seriously, you don't want to hurt the xbox users feelings that way, they'll just say things like well Gears looks better, and CoD rules!!!! (Even though I like me some CoD)

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kevinater321
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 11:11:57 AM
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Well duh!

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Jawknee
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 11:38:36 AM
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And this is why I'm done spending $60 a pop on multiplatform games. Uncharted 2 will be well worth my $60 investment. Multiplatform games are just watered down Xbox games as far as I'm concerned. The only multiplatform I'm getting on day one is FFXIII. Most multiplatforms are just Xbox ports anyway. Can't justify spending $60 bucks on a ported game.

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ThePearlJamer
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:22:26 PM

You have to admit batman: Arkham Asylum looks pretty badass...and the PS3 even gets the Joker as exclusive...

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Jawknee
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:54:42 PM

It looks decent. The texture res seems lower then Id like to see and tends to looks plasticy. Like greased up platic(common in xbox games) The screen tearing is annoying too. Gives me a head ache.

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 2:17:48 PM

I know what you mean about the plastic look. Kind of strange but it almost fits I suppose since it is based on a comic. I think the big appeal for the game is the story(maybe) and the gameplay. I only played the demo and I liked what I got of the story and the gameplay was fantastic.

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Jawknee
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 2:41:50 PM

It's strange. Gears is greasy looking too. I wonder if it has something to do with the dev kit need to build on the Xbox. Maybe not though because not all multiplats looks like that. It doesn't ruin the game at all though. It's fun and the story is good. I'm happy they brought back Mark Hamill and that other guy from the cartoon. Loved that cartoon.

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www
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 4:18:56 PM

True Jawknee, I know what your saying. Their faces and textures look rough, and yes Gears 2 also had that look. As opposed to other games like Uncharted,MGS4 which have fine smooth textures.

I tried the Batman AA demo, I've watched reviews but I still don't like. Here's hoping I get my hands on DiRT 2. The graphics is bad-ass, the gritty sand, realistic water, fully-detailed cockpits and nice damages makes it look very attractive.

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Blood_Haze
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 4:52:47 PM

it looks greasy because of the dumb Unreal Engine 3

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mexgeo86
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 11:47:56 AM

no. There's more gaming news sites out there than Joystiq.

Welcome to PSXE.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:13:48 PM

Most sites have similar articles every day because most sites report the news.

...that's just logic talking.

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ThePearlJamer
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:24:44 PM

is iBazookaJoe associated with being a dumbass in any way because he sure acts like a pro...

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OhYessss
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 1:30:51 PM

I'm sorry, your articles are well written in a different and more enjoyable style to Joystiq - but it does seem that as soon as an article goes live on their site, I come on here 20mins later and it's the exact same article but a different headline... And I've never been in a situation vice-versa.

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 2:19:57 PM

@Bazooka: I suppose you could always come here first?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 3:23:23 PM

There's only so much game news every single day though, I'm just happy there IS gaming news every day. Movie and music news updates once every few months usually.

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Scarecrow
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 11:45:39 AM
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Naughty Dog have always been some of the best devs ever!

Loved how they pushed the ps1 with the Crash series

ps2 with Jak and Daxter

and now ps3 with Uncharted

If I'd ever want to work with a game company, it would no doubt be them!

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BTNwarrior
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 1:05:24 PM

you also got to love how the games they make keep moving to more mature audiances

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 2:22:37 PM

@BTN: Heck yeah. They know the average gamer is growing up it seems.

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Scarecrow
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 2:31:59 PM

Meh

I actually don't like that
shoot shoot, run run gets boring

I really want more games like Mario 64, Crash, Jak and Daxter

The great platformer genre needs to return!

Thank god we still have Ratchet and Clank, fun fun fun

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Titch1794
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 3:15:55 PM

More crash bandicoot i say, ols school style like crash bandicoot 3. Utterly Amazing.

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www
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:08:27 PM
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Well you should see the hostility and negativity the Xbots are exhibiting on Eurogamer plus that exclusive play as Joker for Batman Arkham Asylum is driving them peanuts.

I'm glad Uncharted 2 used the whole 25GB space and Naughty Dog want the best possible outta the PS3.

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Jawknee
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:16:17 PM

Though blue ray discs were 50gb?

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ThePearlJamer
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:23:01 PM

I think the double sided ones are...but I'm not positive...

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BlinkBoy
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:40:22 PM

@jawknee

Like pearljamer said, 50gb blu ray discs are dual layers. So if Naughty Dog only need the 25gb disc then it should be better.

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www
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:49:15 PM

I think most of our games are on the 25GB blu rays except MGS4 needed the double layer 50GB.

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BeezleDrop
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:38:17 PM
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Holy crap! I knew this game is going to rock but must they build my hype even more?! Pushing the PS3 to it's limits(finally) will result in some seriously epic gaming action.

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Highlander
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 12:53:30 PM
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Nice.

This is what Cell is for. The memory architecture of the PS3 which features the RSX as a memory controller as well as GPU is set up to allow the Cell to shoulder some of the load with graphics.

The array of SPEs on the Cell is something that the 360's CPU cannot match, so in that sense Naughty Dog is correct, the 360 cannot handle this. This is also a perfect example of how the correct approach to maximize a game on the PS3 is not the same as the correct approach for the 360. Which is why multi-platform games that are built first on one platform, often do not suit the other.

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Titch1794
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 3:18:49 PM

Nicely said

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 3:27:15 PM

my thoughts exactly, I mean some devs like SE will say "Oh we maxed the PS3" but unless you are using the cell to maximize graphical capabilites that would otherwise hit a brick wall on the RSX then that claim is incorrect. As far as I know, few games do this properly if at all.

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sobleck
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 1:33:05 PM
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lovely, simply lovely

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lfcjake
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 1:51:56 PM
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Cue the fanboy comments...

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tlpn99
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 6:53:37 PM

Nice Avataar im from Liverpool :)

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Alienange
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 2:33:29 PM
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They're using up the full 25gb? Wow that's strange, Capcom can make a full multiplayer mode for RE5 with only 351k.

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Jawknee
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 2:43:21 PM

That's because it was just a key to unlock data already on the disc we bought. Capcom is taking pointers from M$.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 3:29:00 PM

I think Alien was being sarcastic

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Jawknee
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 3:38:24 PM

Aaahh, i see now. Ha!

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Alienange
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 7:12:04 PM

@ Jawknee - I believe they're still denying that... too funny.

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mustang750r
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 2:57:49 PM
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I can't even imagine what a 50gig Uncharted game would look like. *Brain explodes from thought of thought*

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RadioHeader
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 3:16:20 PM
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I honestly can't imagine how a game could look better than Uncharted. If Uncharted 2 simply matches its predecessors graphics but without the screen tearing, I'll be very happy.

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Jawknee
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 3:35:50 PM

Aaaaaah yes. I forgot about the screen tearing in the 1st one. Blagh! I remember Naughty Dog joking about it and promised that wouldnt be an issue in future titles.

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Highlander
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 4:14:03 PM

Yes because the tearing in Uncharted was just completely intolerable...Such an overwhelming problem, with that otherwise stellar game, that I never notice it.

I think that we, as gamers, have become way too picky. The kind of flaws seen in games like Uncharted are insignificant, and yet every time there is a new game some wannabe reviewer trying to make a name will complain bitterly about these graphical glitches.

It's like complaining about games that only run at 30 frames per second. It wasn't so long ago that console gamers were content with 30 frames per second at best.

we're too demanding and fickle. An otherwise excellent game could be damned by some minor graphical glitch that becomes a catalyst for criticism. A healthy dose of perspective might help.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 4:38:02 PM

Gotta agree with the Lander of Highness, gamers can get pretty picky these days. I don't even noticed stuff like that much because I'm engrossed in the gameplay, plus in the old days we put up with TONS more crap just to play through your average game.

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Jawknee
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 4:54:09 PM

If the screen tearing didn't hurt my eyes I wouldn't mind as much. Games that have tearing give me a head ache. Maybe it doesn't bother others the same way it does me. I can't play a game longer then an hour or so that has tearing. Eyes start to strain.

By the way, I never damned the game. I loved Drakes Fortune. Some just notice things more then others. I never watched a or read review for Uncharted. I went off sheer word of mouth and noticed the tearing all by my self.

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RadioHeader
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 6:51:20 PM

I love Uncharted and I think ND made a huge leap with the visuals, so the screen tearing was forgivable. Just saying it'd be nice if the sequel has beauty and performance.

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Highlander
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 12:38:04 AM

I've played the game all the way through including "Crushing mode" to get the Platinum trophy. The tearing just isn't noticeable, it doesn't distract you and I don't believe you can see it unless you're actually looking for it. It's kinda like that battle scene in the Return of the Jedi where two Tie Fighters appear for a moment in the foreground - but they should be behind something and unseen. They were erased - digitally - later on, but once you knew the mistake was there, every time that scene came you saw them, without fail. But before you knew they were there, you didn't notice at all.

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Fane1024
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 3:52:37 PM

I have to agree with Jawknee. I find screen tearing to be the most annoying of graphical glitches, though it doesn't give me headaches. I'd rather have slowdown or pop-in; I'd MUCH rather have a game that doesn't try to push the envelope graphically, but manages to avoid ALL of these glitches.

...which is why I praise R&CFTOD so much.

I find that graphical glitches remind me that I'm playing a game and I would prefer total immersion.

I am NOT saying that it ruins Uncharted, however, and not just because I haven't played it yet (will buy GH version soon or get it for my birthday).


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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 3:30:18 PM
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Uncharted 2 is gonna be purrty :D

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iGraves1
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 3:37:44 PM

I Agree!
:)

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MadKatBebop
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 4:59:22 PM
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I can't wait to get this game! it looks too fun man!.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 5:49:32 PM
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Lol, someone HAS to read those comments on the ARS site, hilarious

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Jed
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 12:45:26 AM

people get really pumped up whenever they see an article that insinuates that the PS3 is better than the 360. They just have to throw in their two cents. It happens everywhere and literally gives me a headache. That's why I usually ignore the comments on as many websites as I can. (except for this one of course ;)

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Highlander
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 12:50:25 AM

Holy Crap! I read the first page. What the heck has happened to Ars Technica? At one point it was a really good geeky news site that was objective and the commenting population was very technically savvy, relatively objective and certainly not dominated by fanbois of any kind. I saw the posts by Ben Kuchera of Ars trying to pour oil on the trouble waters were utterly ignored.

Sad to see. Ars was better than this.

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frostface
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 8:31:41 PM
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when will this be out on my good old atari 2600?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 10:15:10 PM

soon

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johnld
Thursday, August 27, 2009 @ 9:53:27 PM
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This was the point i was trying to get at on some other sites and some people just dont seem too get it. They keep saying that the 360 has a better gpu and rsx is outdated or whatever. Its basic common sense though. when you buy a system, each and every piece on that machine works together to get the final product. even if you got a somewhat inferior part in there, other parts of the system brings out a better performance out of this inferior part. Just like they did with the CELL chip helping the RSX. The components in the system work together to produce the final product. Its not about just one part.

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Highlander
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 12:40:03 AM

John, if RSX is outdated, then how about a GPU and CPU combination that is a whole year older? Xenos and Xenon shipped in Xbox360 a full year ahead of the PS3. If the RSX is outdated, then Xenon and Xenos must be utterly over the hill.

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Fane1024
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 4:00:37 PM

FWIW, according to reports at the time, the RSX was finished and ready for production in December 2005, not long after the 360 GPU was finished. The other, more advanced, components of the PS3 held back a release that many were expecting to be spring 2006.

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Highlander
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 6:39:07 PM

Fane, in December 2005, the Xbox 360 was already on sale. The fact that the RSX was ready for production in December 2005 is fine, but to be on sale at the time the GPU in the 360 has to have been 'ready for production' a good 6-9 months (or more) earlier than that.

I'm not saying RSX is any better or worse than Xenos but since Xenos was shipping in consoles before RSX was announced as ready to go...

Anyway, Neither RSX or Xenos are outdated in he same sense as a PC GPU get's outdated. Both are perfectly fit for their intended role, and neither has been replaced by a more advanced version. Sure new GPUs have come and gone in PCs, but these are not PCs.

I will say though that the Xenos features something that should/could have been an incredible feature. The embedded DRAM and 'free' FSAA. Since the embedded DRAM buffer is only 10MB it's not actually large enough to perform FSAA at 720p, 1080i or 1080p without the developers doing some tiling. Which is why a lot of games on the 360 render below 720p keeping the resolution within the capability of the 'free' FSAA and embedded DRAM. The thing is that they knew that the 360 would be driving 720p and 1080i displays (at least) so there was no reason to design the embedded DRAM and free FSAA to a resolution below 720p.

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johnld
Thursday, September 03, 2009 @ 3:28:29 PM

@highlander: I wasnt saying it was outdate, i was just repeating the arguements that were said before, what i heard around the internet.

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___________
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 3:11:01 AM
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im kinda disappointed.
i was hoping that U2 will be the second game to hit 50GBs.
disappointing its only using 25.
they just proved what i said the other day, developers are having such a hard time with the ps3 because there using the RSX to do the graphics alone.
its not powerful enough it has to be backed up by the cell, thats how it was designed, each component piggybacks the next.
anyone else noticed that when comparing multiplat games the 360 version normally looks darker, richer colors.
and higher detail with close ups, like batman just standing there close to the screen.
but when it comes to background objects like looking in the distance the ps3 version normally looks more detailed.
interesting.

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Ricochet
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 5:32:37 AM
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Out of the awesome things that's coming out of Naughty Dog, this flame-bait comment HAD to come out. The lack of professionalism reduced to common fanboy tactics....

Come on, don't say sh*t about the 360 unless you actually tried porting to it and compare. Last I checked, porting to the 360 wasn't a hassle (especially with your blu-ray comments that can be countered with "multi-discs)...

Christophe, keep your mouth shut and let your games do the talking. Uncharted 2 already blows anything we've seen this console generation. Leave the flame-baiting to fanboys.....

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Fane1024
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 4:05:05 PM

Agreed. People in the business need to stop making these kinds of comments (both ways) and just let the games speak for themselves.

I believe Christophe, but he shouldn't be spreading flamebait.

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Deleted User
Monday, August 31, 2009 @ 8:29:30 PM

exactly... also Fane how can you believe him when he's never worked on a 360 dev kit?

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OriginalSin
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 5:33:49 AM
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Suck on that Valve!!!!

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Deleted User
Monday, August 31, 2009 @ 8:23:42 PM

they'll think about that while they roll in their money

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DGo8
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 6:05:44 AM
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...The tide has now turned...PS3 is starting to show its true worth...i'v always sin it...since the start but..i think more and more people are starting to see...And i agree Uncharted 2 could not possibly run on Xbox...Even the first one would have trouble running on it...& i agree SUCK ON THE VALVE..Playstation is starting to show..yet agen just like in past Gen's...its the Best and always will be (Y)i can think of anythink to rival Uncharted...even Uncharted 1 is still top 3 best looking games ever...maybe the best??

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Deleted User
Monday, August 31, 2009 @ 8:28:23 PM

You see that "probably" that you wrote... just because an exclusive developers says something doesn't make it true... hey our CPU helps our GPU... well no crap... I'd like them to stick their code where their mouth is.

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King James
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 12:21:22 PM
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3 years ago if someone was to me that Naughty Dog be the leader in PS3 development...I wouldn't believe them. I knew that Square or Polyphony would lead this gen. But what do you know?! Naughty Dog has been kick ass and taking names this gen making everybody else stop and stare.

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Highlander
Friday, August 28, 2009 @ 6:40:36 PM

Polyphony still could rejoin the elite ranks of Naughty Dog and Insomnia. It just depends on how much GT5 delivers.

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denylach
Monday, September 07, 2009 @ 2:03:36 PM
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I love naughty dog!!! they make the PS3 a real console...fuck the 360 and its burned games almost for free...we want some real quality-VIVAT BLU-RAY!!!

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Taha1
Sunday, December 27, 2009 @ 8:09:51 AM
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I was a bit bummed that uc2 isn't 1080p. But there will be more games. Just think. The whole game runs without loading and with no install at 60fps using post processing on the cell. If the game was installed and/or there were loading times we could have 1080p graphics. Imagine an Assassins creed ps3 exclusive. If it wasn't for the stupid xbox we could have evin bigger worlds, massive worlds that are full of detail everywhere at 1080p, 60fps. 2 reasons the xbox can't do this.
1.Simply not powerful enough.The Ps3 processor is twice as powerful and has faster data transfer(to the FSB)[very important]. Also a lot of people are buying into the quotes all over the internet that the xbox's gpu is more powerful. They are both just as powerful but the rsx uses more advanced technology and has faster data transfer from ram. So the ps3 also has a faster ram and uses better ram technology.
2.HD-DVD's can only hold 15gb on the xbox while dual layer blu-rays can hold 50gb accounting for more detailed bigger environments.

The only area the xbox is better is the fact that loading times are faster as it has a 12xdvd drive whilst the ps3 has a 2x blu-ray drive. But i'd still rather have blu-ray. xbox live used to be better but psn is now just as good as you can invite people to games and join games and start parties and chats just as easily. AND the people are better/nicer.(also less geeks and hackers)
I just wish we had GOW:(

There are some other things i'd also like to clear up.
People who like pc's say that they don't play on consoles because there is no mouse and keyboard but the ps3 supports full sized normal mouses and keyboards.(which I find pointless for games as controllers are much better, but good for browsing and linux[free windows alternative])
You can also install windows on the ps3 and use the built in browser which is fantastic!

And others say pc graphics are better and that's true. But only because they have to be compatible with the shitty xbox.
And pc games will always have better high end graphics because developers know they are upgradable but a pc which could run games with graphics like that(for e.g. crysis) would cost nearly 10 times the ps3(roughly £3000).
Some of you might say im exaggerating but nobody as of yet has been able to run crysis at the highest possible settings on an unmodified pc(factory pc).And some alienwares cost over £3000.

Also ps3 is cheaper than xbox as for xbox if you want a wireless controller you have to pay. If you want rechargeable batteries you gotta pay. Same for charger and play and charge kit and wireless adapter and hd-drive and so on.
But with ps3 all controllers are wireless with built in batteries and if you want to charge it you plug it in to any usb device (tellies,ps3) and you can play wihile charging using the FREE provided mini-usb cables.
Also wireless is built in and so is bluetooth and you get a high end blu-ray player with firmware updates and hd output with up to 5.1ch surround sound.

Also pc lovers say you get 3d on pc's. You can on ps3 too. In an upcoming firmware update it will be incorporated and all you need are stereoscopic glasses !!

I would still rather have an xbox or a pc than a pc(for gaming). As with xboxlive and psn you can easily see and chat to all of your friends and arrange games and such but PS3 IS KING!!!

I could rant on forever which you probably think I have(lol).

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xS7SxSNIPER
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 8:49:42 AM

your a fanboy you graphics whore

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xS7SxSNIPER
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 8:47:35 AM
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the xbox uses 3 party engines it doesn't fully use it's graphics power it also doesn't use as much smoke and mirrors like killzone 2 look at alan wake it was the second first party engine used to make a xbox game look nice and run nice without much screen tearing.

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