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People Need To Stop Comparing Prologue And Forza 3

Someone needs to explain this to me: how exactly are so-called "journalists" putting up articles that are comparing Forza 3 to the demo that is nearly two years old? What's even the purpose of such a ridiculous comparison, besides to simply promote Forza 3?  Come on.

Look, Prologue may very well be the largest and most impressive demo of a full game we've ever seen, but comparing it to the final Forza 3 product is entirely absurd. Polyphony Digital's Kazunori Yamauchi has often said that Prologue isn't exactly indicative of the final GT5 product, and furthermore, the sheer difference in content is enough to make me balk at any such comparison. And yet, with the impending launch of Forza 3, I see a whole lot of people who wish to up the sales of the title by saying it's better than - I repeat - a freakin' demo. I suppose the argument is that the demo will be exactly like GT5, but it only takes about 10 minutes of research to realize how idiotic that particular belief is, and in short, nobody should bother with the editorials in question. The best we can do at this point is to examine the available content in the racing competitors; you can see the latest information from our Tokyo Game Show coverage and after checking both games, I'd say GT5 has the definite edge in terms of content. But beyond that, I'm not about to make any other claims.

Why? Because I haven't played GT5 and I'm not braindead enough to believe that Prologue can - in any way - be compared to a final Forza 3 product. I love simulated racers and I'm perfectly willing to give Forza 3 a chance, but just two quick things: 1. Turn 10 should probably shut their big mouths when it comes to boasting, because they haven't proven a damn thing yet. No Forza installment yet has been able to favorably compete with a GT entry. Confidence is one thing; to talk big like you're the king of the hill - when you never have been - is nothing more than adolescent posturing. Knock it off; it's annoying. And 2. Kazunori Yamauchi may know more about cars and racing than the entire damn Turn 10 studio combined; that may be an exaggeration, but we're talking about a guy who had a direct hand in creating one of the world's most impressive and accessible supercars (the Nissan GT-R). And the amount of work put into GT5 in the past few years is...well, look it up. It's downright epic.

So I think my final point should be obvious: feel free to compare Gran Turismo 5 and Forza 3 when both are sitting on store shelves. Please, for the love of God, don't make yourselves look silly by comparing a full, finalized product to a demo. Just stop. It's embarrassing from a gaming journalist standpoint.

9/27/2009 9:30:36 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (101 posts)

TubbyUrchin
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 10:20:00 PM
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You'd think people would be smart enough to know that's not a fair fight.

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King James
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 9:54:39 AM

On the contrary, I just got though pwning some xbot that said the same thing. And his support was an article that said Forza 3 had better track and environment detail than Prologue . Too bad he stopped reading after that because the rest of the article went on to say how everything else looked better on Prologue.

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EddPm6
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 10:21:53 PM
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FORZA IS A JOKE! thats all.

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Charger7302
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 1:09:14 AM

I hope your not talking about Forza 3 becuase anyone who is not a fanboy, can easily tell you that Forza 3 is ganna be legitimate competion for Gran Turismo 5. If the game plays just as well as the demo then we are looking at a game that MAY finally take the crown away from Gran Turismo.

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Naga
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 2:34:57 AM

I believe that Forza 3 is really bad & overated, that isn't being a Sony fanboy thats having a preference !!

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 3:07:31 AM

@Charger

Yes, he is talking about Forza 3 and understandably so. If Gran Turismo's gameplay is anything like their recent demos are than they will UNDOUBTEDLY smoke Forza. Period. GT is photorealistic whereas Forza is nice but there is not a moment that you forget that your looking at a game.

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Diggity Dan
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 7:41:32 AM

Forza = The "Sam's Choice" version of GT5

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OtisFeelgood
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 8:54:12 AM

LOL @ Diggity Dan

So true.

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 9:21:52 AM

O' man to think I almost wasted my money on a 360...Well, their demo of Forza is out and here is the "earth shattering" damage that everyone has been b*tchin about....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eByftWg6n7A&NR=1

Notice how every car looks drivable...not like it should of looked...

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/r8/r8_20080501_003.shtml



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SkantDragon
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 7:27:52 PM

I'm certainly a GT fan. And I'd say that GT is definitely the more realistic of the two games.

But I wouldn't call Forza a joke. That's fanboyism really. Just because Forza may not be as good doesn't mean it sucks.

In fact, I'm very glad that GT has a competitor nipping at its heels. GT was starting to become lax before Forza came on the scene. Competition is producing great games here.

Re: The damage video from Forza above... yeah. Not very impressive. I hope GT will model it more realistically. That collision should have completely obliterated both cars into tiny fragments.

Polyphony has a problem to deal with there, however, in that very few players could actually handle real damage physics. They may yell that they want it, but be careful what you wish for. What appears to be a very slight tap in the game would disable most sports cars.

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mustang750r
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 10:22:30 PM
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Prologue is was that awesome that's why.

How many "demos" (I see it as a beta you can keep playing) do you know that can stand up to full fledged games?? Only 1, GT5P.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 10:23:56 PM

They think Prologue's a full game lol

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godsman
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 11:27:15 PM

It's the only demo that can pull it off and sell for 40 bucks, yet still sell over 3 million copies.

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Titch1794
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 10:27:48 AM

What they said ^^ ^^ ;)

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Scarecrow
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 10:23:34 PM
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Oh! Let's compare a demo tape (music wise) to the final version

The difference in quality is huge.

I know Prologue is an IMPRESSIVE demo, but if these "journalists" have a brain they'll understand that it's just a demo.

Just you wait, GT5 will raep the crap out of these SUPERFICIAL racing franchises:

Including Need For Speed which has always failed in Gran Turismo's presence.

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ThePearlJamer
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 11:21:55 PM

Playing Forza vs. GT is like going outside to watch children play around on those crappy plastic "Big-Wheels" while you have a Maserati parked in the driveway

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Deathstriker
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 10:26:21 PM
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i agree forza 2 alone makes me laugh i watch my friend play it...and its like epicly fail to see him say "THIS IS AS CLOSE TO REALISM AS YOUR GONNA GET" im like...lol sell your xbox and get a job cause you dont know what real is...

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mexgeo86
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 10:26:38 PM
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GT has earned the reputation that it has. Forza should not say anything and just let sales do the talking; in which case when GT5 hits it'll be fact which is the better product

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archs13
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 10:29:13 PM
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need for speed hot pursuit games > forza

seriously, forza 3 being real?

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Naga
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 2:37:44 AM

Ridge Racer?

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Deathstriker
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 10:29:36 PM
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LMFAO...

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Jiggy
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 10:33:32 PM
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I agree fully that FORZA sucks, I owned the first one and it was downright horrible. But I am worried about GT because I've seen several videos of the damage modeling and its not that pretty. Granted there is a lot of time until release, but I would have rather Poly left the damage out and made the game that much prettier.

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Mamills
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 10:34:16 PM
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THANK YOU BEN!!
you have no idea how many ppl think prologue is gran turismo 5 i dunno whether to laugh at the stupidity or to be angry. (mainly because prologue is a demo and they comparing it to a full title is pretty funny)
(THAT MUST BE ONE HELL OF A DEMO, EITHER THAT OR FORZA SUCKS!!)
but anyways
anyone who has half a brain would know GT5 will be ridiculously insane.
and dun get worked up by turn 10
they just need some attention to sell their little game.
(Emphasis on LITTLE, GO AHEAD AND COMPARE TO PROLOGUE)

MWHAHAHAHA

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b3mike
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 10:49:42 PM
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It's just Sony bashing that's all it is. In the minds of the 360 contingent, this is as close to Gran Turismo as they're going to get without actually supporting Sony by buying a Ps3 due to their sheer fanboyism. Or at least they trick themselves into thinking it's as good as Gran Turismo for this same reason.

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BeezleDrop
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 10:59:08 PM
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GT5 will be perfection, but comparing a full game to a "demo"? And the demo is still tons better? Wow, hahahaha

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LegendaryWolfeh
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 11:00:38 PM
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They're comparing it because even GT5P > Forza 3 XD

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Sir Shak
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 11:10:31 PM
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Message to Dan Greenawalt : If my game was being compared to a two year old glorified demo , I'd be embarrassed .

I mean no disrespect to Forza fans , the game will probably be great but certain people at Turn 10 need to STFU .

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godsman
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 11:14:34 PM
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I hope GT5 won't have the feature to freeze time and rewind. That is the dumbest thing to do for a racing game.

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mexgeo86
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 9:33:56 AM

Indeed, if they claim to be a simulator, there's no 2nd chances in a race. I saw a video of that and thought, 'wtf you can't rewind'. I also didn't like how they have guided paths to show you how to take curves. GT only does that for License tests which is appropriate. You can't call it a simulator and then add all these 'lifelines'

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HOODGE
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 11:20:07 PM
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Played the Demo of Forza 3 on my crapbox and all I can say is (and even comparing it to Prologue for Graphics and Physics)it SUCKS. EPIC FAIL TURN 10!! As a PC sim fan as well, FM3 is nothing more than an arcade/sim racer. Not much difference in the feel of the definitive physics and tire flex is a gimmick in that game at best. The cars still seem like they have no weight. If you touch or get tapped lightly a certain way, you fly off just like FM2, so very little rubbing can you get away with. And the R3 Porsche 911 still drives like a non racing car on slicks. Fishtail city.

What a joke. Dan Greenwalt, if you read this at all which I doubt as everyone here will tell you you are a joke and a liar at best. You definitive racing game that has the best graphics, physics than any other game is a load of bull. Hell Need for Speed Shift is better looking than FM3 and even tho it has some arcade aspects to it, the physics own Forza.

I hate how Microsoft always has to be a b**** to their competition and consumers. I have yet to hear KZ from Polyphony go on record and say anything about Forza 3 at all. He doesn't have to. He knows GT5 will be the best SIMULATOR out there. And yes I capitilized it because GT5 is a true Simulator. Forza 3 is a RACING VIDEO GAME with a pinch of Grid and PGR mixed into it.

KZ on GTPlanet.net had reporters he invited to his studio, and I noticed he had a 360 set up in one of the pics. I'm sure he tried the FM3 demo and laughed at all the hype Turn 10 and Dan Greenwalt gave their game. Hell I don't think he even cares about all the bullcrap talk out there. FM3 has maxed the 360, and Prologue still owns it...That's funny.

And as for all the complainer whining about the launch date next March, don't even think about it. So what if the game is entering it's 6 yr in development. It's going to be epic, and the shoddy 2 yrs Turn 10 took to make their next Forza definately shows. It's not much of a giant leap forward. Hell the cars don't even look like the 10 times more polygon count Dan was bragging about.

Once GT5 comes out, Forza 3 will be forgotten and all those 360 fanboys will be pissing in their pants and running to buy a PS3 for GT5. INEVITABLE!! Rant over....

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Mamills
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 12:09:09 AM

Atta boy!

PREACH!!!

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Jawknee
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 12:34:02 AM

I have a buddy who's planning on getting a PS3 soon. He also wants Forza 3. I told him to wait for GT5. He said no. Lol

I'll never understand those who like to throw their money away on subpar games when there's a better one available for the same price. O.o

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eLLeJuss
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 12:49:58 AM

Well, if i wanted a racing game i wouldnt wait like a year or two to get the best one. ill probably buy the best one thats out to quench my thrist :)

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Scarecrow
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 12:56:34 AM

GT5 will be played for YEARS

Forza will be played 'till the next Arcady racing game *cough* Need for Speed, PGR, or Grid *cough* comes out.

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Ricochet
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 11:22:45 PM
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PROLOGUE? I COULD'VE SWORN THE COMPARISON WAS FROM GT:HD CONCEPTS!

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godsman
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 11:24:43 PM
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Thumb me down if you like guys, but I think Gran Turismo PSP "should" be a good representation of GT5. Because:

1. Even though gran turismo PSP has been mentioned for a while, but the team has been diligently working on GT5 for the last couple years, I don't think they have the resource to do something completely different.

2. The PSP version is supposed to have connectivity between GT and GT5. The game modes, cars, tracks should be identical.

I think GT should retain at least 80% of the game in GT5, (except the graphics). Which is a good thing, if GT got 80/100, GT5 should be a 100/100.

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Banky A
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 6:37:21 AM

I don't know why there were 5 thumbs down.

But all I can say it that GT5 will have a full GT Mode - just like the good ol' days.

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Kangasfwa
Sunday, September 27, 2009 @ 11:41:59 PM
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I think I'd be embarrassed as a developer if my final game was being compared to a two year old demo by a significant number of people.

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Ultimate_Balla
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 12:14:16 AM
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LOL @ The guy that wrote an essay 2 comments up. Anyway, like i keep saying, no 2 player-plus on one console, then it is a no-purchase for me. . .

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Jawknee
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 12:35:14 AM
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Weren't they compairing Forza 2 to GT5P not too long ago?

Pathetic Failza 2 sold less them a glorified demo. ha!

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 12:41:21 AM
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I have no problem with someone comparing Forza 3 to Prologue, the fact that Prologue (a 2 year old demo) holds its own against a full fledged game touted as the 360's GT killer speaks volumes.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 2:06:06 AM

GT killer. That's funny.

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Douchebaguette
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 4:55:34 AM

Touché!

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fundando
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 12:52:09 AM
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$40 for a demo you guys are ridiculous.

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Scarecrow
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 12:58:42 AM

They're not forcing anyone...

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Charger7302
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 1:22:42 AM

@ scarecrow
"they are not forcing anyone", the same can be said about Halo ODST, yet so many keep bashing Bungie for that one.

P.S i'm not justiying the fact that the are over-pricing some DLC pack, just that it really gets to me when people try to back-up their arguement with a statement like yours yet when it comes to other things they completely turn on what they said in the first place. Seems to be happenng alot lately in the world of console fanboys.......

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SkantDragon
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 1:53:59 AM

@Charger7302: I see your point. But I think GT5P is something of a special case. GT has always been this game where there's so much put into it, it's amazing they sell it for only $50-60.

If there was no such thing as the 'full GT5', GT5P _would_ stand on its own as a complete game and compare favorably to other racers on the market.

And yet the delta between GT5P and the full GT5 is a massive chasm.

It's really actually nothing like Halo 3 versus Halo ODST. ODST is a re-release of essentially the same game with only a couple of changes.

The relationship between GT5P and GT5 isn't actually similar at all. Starting with the fact that everyone knows up front that GT5P is an 'in between' release. It's represented honestly as exactly what it is. And it exists for hardcore GT fans who want to get their hands on some version of the next GT early. Anyone who scoffs at it as an expensive demo need not buy it and just wait for the full GT5.

Buyers of Halo 3 didn't have that. All they got was 'Surprise! Please buy Halo 3 from us again. We added a new mode.'

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SkantDragon
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 1:12:47 AM
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GT5P is not a demo. Please stop calling it a demo. It's a retail game.

However, the prologues are not full blown Gran Turismo games either. They are unique in being something more than a demo but less than the full game.

You're absolutely right to point out that comparing Forza 3 to GT5 _Prologue_ is just sad though. It's like comparing two professional boxers by saying 'Oh yeah! He could totally beat up the other guy's 12 year old daughter.'

Forza has never been the equal of Gran Turismo. I happen to be an amateur racer in RL. I race a Corvette. And I've had the pleasure of running Laguna Seca in RL, in Gran Turismo, and in Forza.

Gran Turismo's representation of that experience is not perfect, but it's eerily close. Mostly, there are just aspects GT doesn't simulate... like the effects of brakes heating up. Whatever GT does simulate, it simulates well.

Forza's representation, on the other hand, is pretty far off. The development team doesn't seem to understand rear wheel drive vehicles and for some reason thinks that wheel spin should cause the car to alternately kick left and right among other weirdness. There are a number of things wrong in its physics simulation which people who haven't actually raced in RL might think feel realistic, but are very much not.

Oh, and graphically, Forza's Laguna Seca doesn't even look like Laguna Seca. It's barely recognizable as Laguna Seca.

There was only one thing that impressed me about Forza... the sound. The sound in Forza is way better than Gran Turismo. Forza's Corvettes rumble and roar like real vettes. Where as GT's Corvettes sound like whiny 4 cylinder engines for some reason. And it's not just the engine sounds. Forza really has it in the sound department. Polyphony, for whatever reason, has never seemed to take sound very seriously.

In every other category, however, it's GT all the way.

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Fane1024
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 2:06:58 AM

I'm amused how people (not specifically Ben) will insist Prologue isn't a demo when others complain about "paying $40 for a demo", but they will insist it is a demo when others compare it (supposedly unfavourably) to a full retail game.

They sold it in stores for more than most portable games. It's a full game, not a demo. HD Concept was a demo.

Skant has it right: it's a special case.

It is stupid, however, to compare Forza 3 to Prologue. I guess it's the only comparison they THINK that they can "win".

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 10:16:01 AM

You're both wrong. It is a DEMO for Gran Turismo 5. Because it's sold in stores is entirely irrelevant; it's an early sampling of a finalized product, plain and simple. This is exact definition of a "demo."

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furbiesmustdie
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 6:07:18 PM

so if GT5 Prologue was a demo is HD Concept a demo of a demo?

good lord i'd make a better journalist.

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Fane1024
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 8:00:14 PM

It's not THE full game, but it is A full game.

Prologue provides the value of a full game (more or less). Otherwise, they'd have some nerve charging nearly full price for it.

Both are iterations of the same series. Prologue represents a stage in the development of GT5, but in some sense so does GT4. It's all refinement and expansion of the same gameplay (which is a good thing).

Is Madden 07 (which was crippled compared to earlier PS2 versions) a demo for Madden 08 or 09?

If buying Prologue gave the buyer a substantial discount when buying GT5, I might be more inclined to agree with you. Your point is technically true, but it ignores real-world considerations.

I maintain that the GT Prologue games are "unique" cases which far exceed the common usage of the term "demo".



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___________
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 1:19:51 AM
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people love comparing things.
just like infamous was compared to prototype.
killzone 2 to halo 3.
quantum theroy to gears of war 2.
dantes inferno to god of war 3.
or uncharted to gears of war.
so what are they suppose to compare forza 3 to?
GT4?
its going to be a little hard to compare forza 3 to GT5 seeing very few people have access to it.
and since journalists are so impatient and cant wait till GT5 to come out, GT5P is the only thing they can compare it to.
yes they could use need for speed shift, but i dont think people have enough respect for that game.
it shocked me big time, but if they compared forza 3 to NFS shift i have a feeling "no s*it Sherlock" would be the response.
if they were to compare it to GT5P it means something because allot of people have respect for GT5P and know how good it is.

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Banky A
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 3:22:55 AM

Actually, to me it looks like NFS: SHIFT is pretty on-par with Forza's level.

But I haven't played Forza 3 or NFS so I can't really say. ^_^

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___________
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 7:20:09 AM

it is.
but most people dont think that.
they look at it and snuff thinking another NFS title.
these people dont understand a series can change.
just because there has not been a good NFS for years does not mean that cant change.
quality wise, im willing to bet NFS shift will be close to GT5.
close but not there, i love the crashes in NFS shift.
like how the camera violently jolts around the screen goes bury.
everything about NFS shift is perfect, the only thing i dont like is the difficulty its to hard.
and this is saying something because i normally hate racing simulators.

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Qubex
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 2:28:17 AM
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Travesty!!!

Q!

"i am home"

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jlch777
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 2:30:21 AM

lol

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jlch777
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 2:29:03 AM
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from someone who has played forza 2 GT is an will be the King!!! There is no comparison.

The drive of your life!

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Bagmup
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 2:40:20 AM
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I played the Forza 3 demo on my 360 and it in no way compares to GT... more like an arcade racer than a sim, i mean, a rewind button?? serious? I was gonna buy it but now i'll wait for GT5 and play the PSP one to keep the shakes away.

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Banky A
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 3:21:17 AM
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(Not bashing Forza 3)

This has been happening as long as we can remember.

But did you have to remind us about the lame arguments Ben? lol
Some people just biased enough to put down any game.

=D
And yes Kazunori Yamauchi is a legend!

This link sums up how much more experience he has than all of Turn 10:

http://eu.gran-turismo.com/nz/news/d10539.html

Long story short - he goes out, checks out new cars, meets new manufacturers and puts his franchise's reputation on the line ^_^

And no, Prologue isn't a demo. But it is a very, very early and weak form of the real GT5 experience.

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Banky A
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 3:49:47 AM

But it's weird, there's so much positivity about GT5 here.

But if you go read the Forza 3 forums, then you'll see everybody praising Forza. Just as much as we praise GT.

Ben, has any of your human psychology classes explained a reason for this sort of behaviour - besides varying tastes in video games?

BTW it's a fact I read up on the Forza forums. I'm interested in all racing games, it looks fun.

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 6:19:41 AM

@Banky

Its true, there are a bit of loyalists out there. Which side is really the delusional though? Idk, Im considering a 360 for Forza ONLY because I want some taste of GT.

PS
That was some good info on Kaz Y. BTW!

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InfiniteRetro
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 5:37:20 AM
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rewind and roll overs are NOT simulations. forza is crap crap crap.

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Banky A
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 6:42:58 AM

What? Roll overs are nearly the peak of simulation lol. But Forza 3 hasn't done it perfectly either.

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www
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 6:07:16 AM
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"but it only takes about 10 minutes of research to realize how idiotic that particular belief is"

True, that belief alone is just idiotic. I've played the Forza 3 Demo and its still nowhere near Prologue. Honestly there's nothing really special about it, the graphics don't stand up to Prologue.

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A2K78
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 6:10:09 AM
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Forget about GT5 and Forza 3, I would like to Turn10 try and compete with PD when to motorcycles, but of course we this won't happen because obviously now dominates motorcycles with Tourist Trophy.

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Banky A
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 6:47:58 AM

Yeah, PD knows their racing games.

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shaydey77
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 6:23:39 AM
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Even the name Gran Turismo is superior..case closed.

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Banky A
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 6:41:53 AM

This brother knows his stuff!

+1

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Karosso
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 8:43:21 AM
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Turn 10 should probably coin this slogan for the release :)

Forza 3,

The Drive of Your Lie!

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ShadowRunner
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 8:44:23 AM
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This is the best they can do, Ben, compare their full game to a demo. Pathetic

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Orvisman
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 9:05:41 AM
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Unfortunately we have to put up with this crap for another six months.

This is why Sony should've released GT5 this Christmas.

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Random_Steve
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 9:58:44 AM
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in other articles, you've dismissed the claim that GT5p is a demo and now your saying 'its just a demo'

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 10:17:57 AM

No, I dismissed the claim that it was LIKE any other demo. And I repeated in this article that it's basically the biggest and most unique demo one would ever see.

But it's still a demonstration for GT5, technically.

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HOODGE
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 1:27:43 PM

And on top of Bens comment, This Demo is worthy of 40 bucks. Their is a lot more content in Prologue, like 60 plus cars, limited tuning, 6 tracks with variations, GTTV, online (though it is such a basic online and the servers are horrible), and arcade mode which you can set up the length of you're race and more.

So in a way it can be compared to a full game, but it is still labeled Prologue, which can be likened to a teaser trailer for a movie. It's a tech demo. You should all thank him for this taste of the final GT5 for putting out Prologue. It's tiding me through the painful wait. But imagine if there was no prologue and you had to wait to put you're hands on anything GT PS3 related for all this time. It's worthy of paying 40 bucks to give Ky our thanks for tiding us through.

I still think he should throw us a few more cars and tracks from here on then for the half year more wait we need to endure.

But ya, it's interesting that GT5 Prologue still is being compared to FM3. What a compliment that is for KY. A full fledged game being compared to a Tech Demo.

Turn 10 is using GT5 Prologue as their benchmark and Polyphony is only competing against themselves. LOL'S. That sums that up nicely.

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Nynja
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 4:00:13 PM

Not to mention, how many demos actually receive updates (i.e.: patches, new features, etc)?

Seriously... "Reviewers" claim Forza 3 is better than GT5P (demo), I would only hope so.

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vexedross
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 10:42:05 AM
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ive played forza 3 demo and gt5 demo and i can say that gt5 pysics are way off the understeer on fwd cars are stupid graphics are good but forza and gt5 are about simulation and the winner in demo prospective is forza 3 demo in pysics by far

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HOODGE
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 1:37:44 PM

Wrong answer. Sorry, you must drive a real car with FWD to make a statement like that and then drive that car on GT. FM3 physics are so off it's not even funny. Watch the American Lemans series and check out how those Flying Lizard Porsche's stick on the track giving it all their might. IN FM3, that car feels like a loose ass end muscle car the way it fishtails all over the place. Clearly you are a Forza fanboy and that's alright. That's the best 360 has. But to say it has better physics than the cars in GT5 Prologue is pure stupid comment.

Do some research on how KY practices on GT for the Nubergring with his simulator before attempting to take the real car out on the track and posts close to or equal times on the real thing. Now that defines Simulator my friend. FM3 is best described a simulator in an arcade sheeps clothing.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 3:02:07 PM

Man...has anybody noticed that those who say Forza is "more realistic" knows JACK SH** about cars and racing...? Or is that just me?

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SkantDragon
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 3:52:01 PM

Do you have RL experience in these cars and on these race tracks to back up that opinion?

I do. And I don't agree with your assessment at all.

In fact, I've noticed that I'm hardly the only one with RL track experience out there who makes the same claims that GT is far more accurate. In fact, finding experienced racers that claim Forza's physics are realistic seems to be a little difficult.

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 6:00:19 PM

Tanner Foust on realism of GT Physics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNQJ1T0DJrM

Not to mention the GT Academy winner Lucas Ordonez is doing quite well amongst the pros I might add...

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furbiesmustdie
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 6:14:21 PM

@HOODGE
correct me if i'm wrong but i'm pretty sure gt5p didn't include the nurbergring unless you're talking about a previous version.

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Banky A
Tuesday, September 29, 2009 @ 1:13:22 AM

@ Furbiesmustdie (crap I just realized what your avatar was)

He uses GT4, it still gets the job done ^_^
Unless he's moved to his studio's special edition of the GT5 Nordschleife which I didn't know about lol.

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Deleted User
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 10:51:03 AM
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Gran Turismo is being underrated.
This generation alone has be blown out of proportion. 360 games are all hype. So over the top and overrated. alas Halo 3...

Now Forza. I'm definitely a hardcore Sony fan but it's turd actually. It's in inhumane to say "We're better" yet Forza didn't create the genre. Gran Turismo was there.. on day one.

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FanboyBasher
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 11:11:51 AM
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"It's embarrassing from a gaming journalist standpoint."


That's fine but a real gaming journalist wouldn't say things like this:

"1. Turn 10 should probably shut their big mouths when it comes to boasting, because they haven't proven a damn thing yet."

Of course they have proven something. It's been reviewed by many REAL gaming jourbalists out there who are obviously not as biased as you. In conclusion it's been getting good reviews. In fact many have been just as favorable as the GT reviews in the past. Face it, each series represents a good racing game regardless of them being exclusive. You're no better than Turn 10, so once you're off of Sony's payroll maybe you too can be a real gaming journalist. Obviously Turn 10 works for Microsoft, who do you work for again?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 3:01:02 PM

I work for an independently owned website that has no Sony affiliation and have been playing games for longer than you've been alive.

The preceding was an editorial. Hence, there will be opinion involved. I was attacking the idea of comparing an incomplete game to a complete one, for which you apparently have no real rebuttal.

Stay at N4G. We don't accept your kind here.

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 6:01:32 PM

Lol...

Jourbalist

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dveisalive
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 11:22:33 AM
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GT5 prologue has realistic physics, plus they have a engineering crew who drive all of the real cars and simply put into a reality in the game. Plus Forza is a joke the steering and physics handling is not that obsolete. I played Forza before it was fugly and the driving was horrible. GT5 5 the Demo lol has a Professional driving option that can never have no comparisons to forza for the Professional option has a superior feel towards how it feels so authentic. GT5 will boast even better visuals than the demo like over 800 something cars more tracks and it will sell miliions unlike the new forza.

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guincog
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 11:32:38 AM
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tl/dr

Just one thing - Bloggers that get posted on N4G =/= "journalists".

They are just freaking nobodies that make s*** up to get a reaction from opposing fanboys. If you stop listening to them, they'll go away eventually.

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Banky A
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 3:50:53 PM
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http://au.ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/857126/gran-turismo-5/videos/tgs09sny_gt5_int_092709_wmvhd.html;jsessionid=wj9b3fnopu90

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Aura7541
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 3:54:35 PM
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People say the Forza 3's background graphics are better than Gran Turismo 5's. That's bs. In GT5, the graphics are more dynamic. Also, there are hundreds of people along the sides of the track who cheer you on. Forza 3, on the other hand, does not have the cheering crowd.

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Nynja
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 3:56:04 PM
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I was hoping PSXE would address those articles I found regarding this very issue.

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IFLATLINEI
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 4:19:55 PM
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Im a huge fan of Gran Turismo. Ive played every "Final" version for 100's of hours if not more. But I always refused to buy a Prolouge. Why? Because I have standards and I dont pay for Demos. Real men just dont do certain things. Real men dont wear makeup, we dont pick up tampons from the store, we dont pay for sex, and we definetly dont pay for a demo. The game industry is getting out of hand. Developers release games claiming to have mic support but have none (Just pick an EA game). Developers release games where the manual will tell you about features that just are not in the game (Socom). If all thats not bad enough now they are selling you Demos and you all bought it. Its just stupid but since all you clowns bought into that worthless P.O.S. of a racing game you all legitmized it as an actual Sim contender. Now you have to deal with the jokers of all media comparing these two. HAHAHAHA Deal with it!

This is all as rediculous as the media compareing sales figures of the 3 current gen consoles as if they are even close to being in each others league. Lets get that straightened out while were here. The Wii is just a childrens toy. No one cares how many they sold compared to PS3 or Xbox. The Xbox is just trash considering their over 50% failure rate. The PS3 is the only machine that doesnt look stupid in a grownups entertainment center.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 6:53:03 PM
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Failza only had 400 cars. GT PSP has over 800 and GT5 will have over 1000.

Gimme GT5 please.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 9:10:06 PM
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You know what's weird? N4G fanboy losers continue to think they're going to have some impact...since when does an insta-ban combined with a complete elimination of your posts equate to "impact?"

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Banky A
Tuesday, September 29, 2009 @ 1:16:46 AM

Since never!

*Misses internet high-five*

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maxpontiac
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 9:57:50 PM
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Ben -

Are you honestly surpised? I am not what-so-ever.

Why?

Remember, Forza 3 is from a developer who was bribing an online community with free DLC for casting a vote in Forza's favor during some GT vs Forza poll.

Plus, this same type of insecurity forced a MS employee to register with a Microsoft corperate email at GTPlanet.

I honestly believe Forza 3 will be a good game. But something tells me that since GT5 Prologue sold as good as Forza 2, Turn 10 isn't as convinced. I would actually purchase F3... if I still had a 360, that is.

In the mean time, I have been meticulously fine tuning NFS Shift to point of being an excellent game to play. I figure once the patch comes out, Shift will be the racer I need to hold me over till GT5 launch.

Anyways, with all the excellent PS3 exclusives coming out, I will wait for GT5, and all it's greatness. The Xbots can play their game (in Forza 3 and in internet forum theatrics).

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SILVERAMMO
Monday, September 28, 2009 @ 10:27:08 PM
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forza is lame . doesnt even compare to gt4 in my opinion

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Lordnicon
Wednesday, September 30, 2009 @ 4:17:54 PM
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Has anyone heard if Photo Mode is returning to GT5? I cant tell you how many hours i put on getting great shots and editing them and submitting them for contests on the GTPlanet forums. That alone will keep me more interested than its competition.

I cant however say that forza sucks hard. Ill take GT any day but there are a few things about GT that I wish they would update. I wont go into some long schpeal but braking and power/traction could use just a little bit of work. I dont think i have ever locked my brakes in a GT game. That and I dont think i have ever spun wildly out of control from being on the throttle too hard too early even with all assists turned off. But still GT5 on day one gets my money.

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iceblade007
Thursday, October 01, 2009 @ 8:42:42 PM
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I think people are forgetting the point about these comparisons. The fact is people are being charged for this Prologue, which in turn makes it a retail release and the PS3s best shot in this genre of gaming, no matter how old it is. As they have not come up with the full product by Forza's release it is only fair to compare it with what people are calling the XBOX360's best shot in this genre. When GT5 is released, then it can have it's turn at glory.

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olivevilo
Monday, October 12, 2009 @ 11:04:43 AM
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Does anyone know why GT5 has taken soo long to produce?

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