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Infinity Ward And Treyarch On "Completely Different Tracks"

Rumors are already circulating concerning next year's Call of Duty effort from Treyarch (it seems the team is leaning towards a Cold War setting), but if you're thinking they may look to Infinity Ward for ideas or even simple cues, think again.

There's a reason why recent CoD installments from each studio are so very different from one another; according to the latest GameTrailers Bonus Round episode, these two development teams simply don't communicate. It may seem a little strange on the surface, especially considering that both are essentially internal studios for Activision Blizzard, but Infinity Ward creative strategist and community manager Robert Bowling says both sides are on "completely different tracks."

"The teams are completely separate. And our design schedules and our design philosophies are completely different tracks. It’s not like they might be leapfrogging in terms of franchise but the design state of mind from the teams at Infinity Ward and Treyarch are completely different. We don’t work together, we don’t collaborate...the teams are very focused on what we’re doing and we really don’t let what happens in another game impact that."

So if you're thinking you'll see some element of Modern Warfare 2 in the next series entry from Treyarch, think again. It seems clearer than ever before that the teams are just going their separate ways; the good news is that both are fully capable of producing some fine productions. While Modern Warfare certainly has the edge, we shouldn't overlook that many critics called Treyarch's 2008 gem, World at War, the best World War II shooter ever. And besides, if they're focusing on a completely different war setting, we'll definitely be excited to learn more about it, regardless of this lack of collaboration.

11/16/2009 9:05:30 PM John Shepard

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mustang750r
Monday, November 16, 2009 @ 9:53:54 PM
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Imagine if they actually worked together like the designers of Sony. CoD could be 10 times better, and as of right now CoD is pretty damn awesome but graphics, textures, sound (maybe, seeing how that's a bit different), story, single player gameplay, and multi gameplay could be pushed to the limits. Hell they could actually push indivisual consoles to their limits like how Sony designers do everyday.

Just thinking about it makes me all tingly in my private areas. lol

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Victor321
Monday, November 16, 2009 @ 9:55:20 PM

^.^

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Banky A
Monday, November 16, 2009 @ 9:59:55 PM

By just thinking about it?.. lucky.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, November 16, 2009 @ 10:07:39 PM

multiplat=limits reached.

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somethingrandom
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 12:12:51 AM

They could have a zombie mode with automatic shotguns...

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wiiplay
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 8:37:59 AM

@somethingrandom:
No zombies, pleeeeease!
I hated the zombie mode!
Can't they be a little bit original and invent werewolves instead?
Like big hairy werewolves fighting you in an open place?
Anything but zombies.

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The_R0gue_Ninja
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 10:27:58 AM

Or they could have you battle vampires in a high school while school is still in session! Where all the vampires, instead of wearing capes and Gothic apparel, are dressed in navy blue sweaters and designer jeans! If you get bitten, you change teams and turn into a vampire and get sweet, special powers to use against the remaining humans.

That would be soooooo cool, and original! :P

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 1:59:31 PM

the zombies was the best thing to happen to COD. i like world @ war better than modern warfare. infinite ward seem a bit cocky lately

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The_R0gue_Ninja
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 5:59:58 PM

Of course, I was being sarcastic in my above post. . . . I guess there must be a few offended Twilight fans on here. :P

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Victor321
Monday, November 16, 2009 @ 9:55:05 PM
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I found CoD:WaW to be the World War II equivalent of COD4:MW, as the only differences I saw between the two were the settings, WaW had a couple more co-operative play options, and Nazi Zombies (which was my WoW during the summer..).

Regardless of the differences of the two games, obvious or subtle, both are fantastic ^.^

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Banky A
Monday, November 16, 2009 @ 10:00:28 PM
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I like Treyarch, I liked World at War.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, November 16, 2009 @ 10:10:14 PM
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Not just on completely different tracks but don't they kind of dislike each other as well? I think IW needs to break away from ActiBliz and venture out on their own.

Treyarch is probably pretty jealous of IW's recent numbers. I'm also wondering when people are going to start to push away from this series for coming out every year and not looking any better. I guess as long as the sales keep coming ActiBliz will keep makin' em.

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bigrailer19
Monday, November 16, 2009 @ 11:14:26 PM

im sure they are jelous but W@W sold pretty well also! but i know exactly where your coming from and what you mean!

i also agree IW needs to do seperate things. MW will start to get stagnent. its almost turning into madden. i must admit though i love a new game every year, but only if they can make it better and new. thats why im actually excited about the next call of duty not being WW2 it might have a chance to start something new and great for Treyarch.

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Qubex
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 12:23:37 AM

World, gaming will eventually go the Hollywood route... Stick to your top games and your collection will look spiffy... technically you always have the best you can have :) That is nice to know when you turn off the light and go to sleep! Money spent well :)

Q!

"i am home"

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www
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 5:39:39 AM

Its clear IW already want to break free of Activision's grasp. On the box, see how the 'Call of Duty' is so small whilst 'Modern Warfare 2' takes up all the space. When you pop the disc in, it reads MW2, when your friends are playing, it reads MW2, check the Trophies, it reads MW2, its clear IW had rather they took out that 'call of duty' completely and made all that money for themselves.

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 1:40:28 PM

well originally i went through dif. name changes. i remember when they used to just publicitise MW2 and COD was no where in the title. i think activision got upset at that and your right WWW, COD still remains small on the box art and is little to be seen!

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Alienange
Monday, November 16, 2009 @ 10:25:27 PM
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"Completely different tracks" is a bit of a stretch and "don’t let what happens in another game impact that" is BS. Nearly every fps to come out since COD4 has incorporated something from IW's masterpiece. Still, I give the guy kudos for trying to differentiate his company from IW for people who will make the obvious comparisons.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, November 16, 2009 @ 11:01:54 PM

Backwards, this is IW's PW talking, so they're differentiating themselves from Treyarch.

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Alienange
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 4:25:46 PM

Gah! Thanks. Meant "differentiate his company from Treyarch."

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LegendaryWolfeh
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 6:23:42 PM

Haha, no prob =)

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___________
Monday, November 16, 2009 @ 11:24:12 PM
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COD i really could not care less, but i hope they go and do another james bond game.
im still seeking the greatness of goldeneye.
QoS was decent but i wish they would go back to the good old traditional style of sneak, stealth and 1 million and 1 gadgets.
die another day i think it was, back on the ps1, was my favorite james bond games.
sneaking through a whole hotel taking out security cameras and guards with a silenced pistol or trank gun.
i miss the good old spy games, theve gone to much more like a action/shooter breed.
like MGS4 or splinter cell conviction, both feel like just another shooter.
honestly if you did not know the title, and did not know the characters you would not know its a stealth game.
i want the metal gear back the way it was on ps1, sneaking through warehouses with nothing but a silenced pistol with limited ammo, and if 1 guard saw you mission failed.
or even the mission imposable game, that was decent.
we need less FPS,TPS,racers,RPGs and more horror, platforming,open world and stealth games.
one can only run around shooting people with a different skin for so long before they get bored and tired of it.
i wish heavy rain was out, im tired of shooting things.

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Jawknee
Monday, November 16, 2009 @ 11:49:23 PM

Never fails.

MGS4 was amazing and allowed you to play anyway you want stealth or action. You choose. It wasn't just another action shooter. It was an improvement in everyway. You don't seem to like anything. So it's no wonder you dislike a practically perfect game.

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Naztycuts
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 12:11:38 AM

@Jawknee _____ holds the record for being the longest posting troll on psxextreme LOL

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Jawknee
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 1:13:07 AM

the size doesnt matter. His comments are all too predictable. Hes seems likes hes the unhappiest person in the world.

Seriously no name dude, try to have a more positive attitude. You'll enjoy life more.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 3:24:10 AM

You'd be unhappy too if your parents named you "_______________".

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frylock25
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 3:39:22 AM

he says he has paid like $100 each for all his games or some crap, if i paid that much per game i would be pissed all the time too.

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___________
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 6:03:29 AM

how is it a improvement?
seriously?
the older ps1 original if you were caught START ALL OVER AGAIN.
MGS4 your caught go hide for 2 minutes than continue.
how is that a stealth game?

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Jawknee
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 9:11:19 AM

Did you try playing the game in BigBossExtreme?

If you can't see why the game is a master piece for yourself then there's no point trying to convince you.

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 @ 12:30:44 AM

the older game on ps1 was game over if you got caught ONLY if the difficulty was maxed out, please know what the hell you are talking about before postin ___________ .

please try running and gunning on BigBossExtreme please and so why sneaking is still a really good tool. How is mGS4 not an improvement? Seriously?

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Jawknee
Monday, November 16, 2009 @ 11:43:55 PM
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They had to have shared some things. MW and W@W shared too much. They were a lot alike. Especially in the multiplayer modes.

While I enjoyed MW more there were a lot about world at war that was great too. I'm so tired of call of duty in general though, I don't know if I can play another. Ha!

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Larsperson
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 12:06:00 AM
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Im liking the sound of a cold war setting. I really enjoyed World At War, more so than both Modern Warfare games.

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Naztycuts
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 12:09:31 AM
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Even though W@W was essentially MW with a WW2 skin I think that Treyarch let's their UNBIASED care for their customers shine through, CoD4 had 1 map pack and a few updates to patch it early, then another one when the flying glitch was prevalent.

Treyarch had no timed exclusivity on their maps (I'm lookin at you IW) they had 3 map packs, they had zombies just for beating the game which was fun for a bit. Overall it just seems IW worries more about $ because they know they'll make it MW is $, M$ is $.

Treyarch wins only because I appreciate not being punished for owning my console of choice.

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Qubex
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 12:26:34 AM
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Future FPS's will be Bad Company 2 and Killzone 3... only! Don't want anymore CoD... I am happy to keep CoD 4 and CoD 5 in my collection; but that is it!

I will wait for the additional map packs to drop in price and then complete CoD 4 and CoD 5... nice to have as completed collectors' additions to my games collection... similar with KZ2.

With the extra saving of not getting CoD's I will put money towards "Trine" and "Braid" :)

Patience is truly a virtue!

Q!

"i am home"

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aaronisbla
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 12:44:53 AM
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you know what i find sad? MW2 is a great game and some won't give it a chance. Hell, i hate activision at this point, but the game is simply addictive.

Its as if its the cool and popular title to hate on now. Not saying that IW and Activision is without fault.

I think those who already decided they wont like this game simply due to graphics not being a huge step up, or that its multiplatform that seems to be pushed more on the 360, or the short campaign mode are really robbing themselves of a great time.

You don't have to buy it, its your wallet, your choice but how many of those here that dislike this game are saying this without even trying it out firsthand, like thru a rental or a friend letting them use their copy? People should at least try it before they hate on it and try to go into it with a clear mind.

If you tell yourself you are gonna hate something before you experience it, there's a good chance you will do just that simply cuz your mind is already made up

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Jawknee
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 1:11:43 AM

i was overly critical and decided to give it a try. i didnt hate the game, there are many new features in the multiplayer that i thought were cool, but over all, it is just another Call of Duty and some things actually got worse in my opinion. I think some people like me would find their appreciation for the franchise again if Craptivision didnt release one once a week.

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www
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 5:41:40 AM

You said it aaron!

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 1:50:39 PM

yea good call Aaron thats been my point all along!

see here is what i like about the treyarch IW thing. we get a new game every year and dif. setting and gameplay. whih means we are not getting the same game. its a FPS in terms of gameplay not much can happen, you run, you shoot, you throw grenades, and cover (w/ the lack of cover system). yeah yeah KZ2 had a cover system but it didnt work lol. Dont try and tell me it did either because i got killed more times in cover than i did just runnin and gunnin! your head always peaked out just enough it seemed for the helghan to hit you right in the nog! So what can FPS improve on, maybe story telling, graphics, even physics, and maybe dif. ways the game is played idk its an FPS. what people are complaining about is minute.

any siggestion to what people would like to see? i cant think of how they can improve the game style much!

anyways point is even though people say its just another COD game we see every year, they are different. treyarch brings ww2 and IW b rings MW, its a nice break inbetween and now treyarch is goin away from WW2 we will see something entirely different. and what IW does next is up in the air but what they have done with MW i gotta give props!



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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 2:35:19 PM

i bought the game. but it's not that great. it's fun online but world at war kills MW anyday

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 @ 12:40:04 AM

bigrailer, not sure which KZ2 you played, the one i played had a damn good cover system to be honest. It saved me way more than running and gunning. Especially on its hardest difficulty.

I wish more games utilized a similar cover system in fps games. Its kinda frustrating to see the npcs in games like this taking cover but you cant do it the same way

Cochise, i disagree on W@W being even remotely better, but thats just my opinion. I wish activision would stop being greedy and let IW have full control over the series and let Treyarch wor on something different, their talents could be used elsewhere

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BlackBriar
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 1:49:51 AM
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Another similar WWII-esque game.....lame!; I thought they were done with WWII type games. Boring,come on dudes! And on a side note Modern Warfare 2 leaves a cliffhanger. Stop it, Focus on giving us better games, Both Modern Warfare are good.

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BlackBriar
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 2:00:05 AM
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They should base the game in the late 60's 70's or 80's. Not the 40's or 50's to similar to WWII.

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www
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 5:42:46 AM

How about BC, so we'd have swords and horses and everybody with long beards.

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 1:58:11 PM

could you imagine? that might be a good idea, get away from guns for awhile! ;)

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OriginalSin
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 2:05:36 AM
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I for one really liked W.A.W. I also agree that it was the best WWII game I have ever played, and I'm sure like most of you we played a Sh*t load of WWII shooters in our time.

I actually can't wait to see what Treyarch will do with the new installment especially if they move away from WWII. I think 80% of the "flack" they received was based solely on the fact they used WWII as a setting again.

I think once they move away they will receive a lot respect from gamers that what people are giving them now. But I stand by my opinion that W.A.W rocked...

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www
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 5:44:06 AM
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I'd love to give Robert Bowling a big dirty slap for making such an addictive game, now I can't go back to Fifa 10 online, damn you Bowling!

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wiiplay
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 8:40:50 AM
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Two different tracks?
Are the two different trains on each track leading to the same place?
I disagree!
Infinity Ward is not on a slow moving train, they are on a plane! (The other guys are on the train)
I mean if both devs were on a train, wouldn't that mean they are progressing at the same speed?
And doesn't progressing mean to move forward, not backwards?
Modern Warfare is in Modern Day time, WAW is in a World War 2 setting.
Modern Warfare 2 is in modern day time, the new COD is going even further back in time.
If you call that moving forward, I must be moving back.

Infinity Ward = Fighter Jet
Treyarch = Train.

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rogers71
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 9:46:53 AM
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I wouldn't exactly call Modern Warfare 2 moving forward. Sure, the online play is good but there was little to no story in the campaign mode. I cannot wait to see what Treyarch does next. I read alot of books so I like to feel invested in the characters and I couldn't care less about the characters of MW2. I was so intrigued by the characters and story for W@W that I could not wait to see what happened next. So in my opinion:

Infinity Ward = cares about $$
Treyarch = cares about satisfying the customer

The day that IW creates a single player campaign that is longer than 6 hours and has some sort of story, that will be the day that I will consider them as "moving forward".
It is alot easier to put your time into online multiplayer than it is to invest your time into an actual plot with a good story and great voice acting. W@W had both.

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Zorigo
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 1:18:25 PM

MW2, is an improvement. it satisfies an addiction for a lot of people. it isn't as stellar as Uncharted2 in that there is barely an imporvement, the graphics aren't as good, and the story line is a lot more shit, but it is an exceptional online game. and there aren't too many of those around at the mo. by exceptional, i mean HUGE, Burnout Paradise is great online, as is Uncharted2, but those games don't get the publicity about online as much as MW2.

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 2:08:55 PM

i agree. world at war seemed more robust than modern warfare. i don't know why people hat treyarch so much

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RustEDalex
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 10:48:19 AM
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Darn and I was hoping for COD: world at modern warfare. you know as a rookie world at war then a couple years pass as an elite in modern warfare.

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NULL
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 11:27:36 AM
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More games should have two developers so that a game gets released each year with variety in them.

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Zorigo
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 1:16:01 PM
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WAW may be a gem, but i know too many people sick of WW2 games so much they couldn't give a sh*t

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 1:41:17 PM

i was one of them but W@W was just a great WW2 game all around. when i popped it in i quickly realized it wasnt the average WW2 game at all.

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Larsperson
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 6:19:46 PM

I must be one of the few that actually prefer the WW2 setting.

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convergecrew
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 3:27:56 PM
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Coming from the company who brought out Guitar Hero 5 and Band Hero and DJ Hero in the same year, thats a pretty bold statement.

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Alienange
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 4:34:35 PM

Huh? IW may be published by Activision, but this is most certainly not Activision talking.

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convergecrew
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 6:37:21 PM

My fault, didnt read the article closely.

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LittleBigMidget
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 4:53:33 PM
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I think of as this way, Activison is the pimp and InFinity Ward is, well y'know.

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HRR2448
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 5:32:02 PM
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I would not mind if Treyarch made another call of duty, only if they fix the single player and don’t make the enemies a bunch of grenade whores! It was very annoying to see my cross hairs surrounded by grenade symbols while trying to beat World at War on veteran!

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FlyingKickPunch
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 @ 5:46:04 PM
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or you could play as the characters from WaW IN a modern warfare game!
CoD : Geriatric Warfare!
keep those damn kids off your lawn...with extreme prejudice.

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