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3D Functionality Coming To PS3 Via Firmware Update

I still think trying to play a game like Wipeout HD in true 3D would be almost terrifying but nevertheless, the option is coming.

We had heard that 3D gaming would be coming to the PlayStation 3 next year although details remained sketchy. Well, we now have more of a confirmation of sorts; according to GameSpot, this unbelievable feature will actually be made available to all PS3s via firmware update. We have no idea when this might be, but we know we have to wait for the first 3D-enabled Bravia HDTVs, which are set to be available to consumers towards the end of next year (won't do you much good to have a 3D-enabled PS3 without a compatible TV). During a presentation yesterday, it became clear that every console out there would receive an update that would allow all 3D games to work. That line of futuristic games is still being planned but it's definitely on the horizon as well, so it's a bold new world out there. And remember, this technology will also be applied to certain titles that are already available; we've seen examples using Wipeout HD, for instance, and there are other games that may receive the 3D overhaul.

All of this seems like a huge step for the industry but I really have to get immersed in one of these before I decide for myself. I keep thinking I'll need some time to get...acclimatized.

11/19/2009 9:15:10 PM Ben Dutka

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Ben667
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 9:37:48 PM
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Color me biased, but I'm far more excited about this than Natal or the PlayStation Motion Control :D

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ohmikkie
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 3:12:29 PM

True. What if we had 3D with TrackIR like technology? Now that would be something I would look forward to.

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JcBball717
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 9:59:21 PM
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damn this is gonna be awesome

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Oxvial
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:08:42 PM
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3D + the dildo(hope they change the design) controller = awesome experience.

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superben1990
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:09:30 PM
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so now im a have to buy another TV 2 enhance my PS3 experience? no thanks!

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Highlander
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:17:43 PM

That's why I don't think that this 'feature' will be big this generation, but Sony may effectively corner the market for the next generation by starting (however limited the use of it may be) now.

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Highlander
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:16:57 PM
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<didn't read article mode>
As long as I don't bloody well have to pay extra for it. Sony can rot in hell if they think they're getting another penny from me. Free gaming FTW!!
</illiterate mode>

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Sony is really pushing ahead in this 3D stuff. Makes me wonder whether they have stolen a leap on others...

As for 3D immersion itself, I worry about motion sickness. full 3D may cause significantly more gamers to experience motion sickness - especially in games like Wipeout HD/Fury.

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NoSmokingBandit
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:26:46 PM

3d stuff gives me a headache (its not motion sickness, just a terrible pain in my temples) so i probably wont be able to enjoy this unless they do it differently than everyone else, which would be awesome. Mowing down minotaurs in GoWIII in 3d would be the greatest thing ever. EVER.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:55:10 PM

yeah i get that headache too

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:20:56 PM
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Highlander? Why do you need a 3D TV? I assume this is better than the deal where you wear your glasses and any TV can display the Red/Blue images that make it pop. If so, how is it different?

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Qubex
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:25:12 PM

World, I think it is to do with polarisation of the pixel display right? I think this method is far clearer than using the blue/green colour separation to create the 3D effect...

Q!

"i am home"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:27:03 PM

I dunno man, I am really not up on display tech.

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Highlander
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:27:24 PM

Not sure which of the technologies that Sony uses, the most popular one of late seems to be TVs that can polarize the pixels differently allowing the TV to interlace the two frames for each eye so both eyes see parts of the image all the time. I think Sony may use active shutter technology where the watcher wear's a pair of glasses with LCD shutters that switch on and off in synchronization with the frames displayed by the TV, but they're not talking much about how it's done, only that it's done.

I do know it's not done using colored filters like the old blue/red glasses from the 3D movies of the 50s.

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Qubex
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 11:38:35 PM

Yes Highlander; I think a quick look at NVidia's site will expose some truths... I think they have the shutter active 3D glasses right for polarised TV's?

Q!

"i am home"

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Qubex
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:23:56 PM
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Well, my issue is how good will the games be though? Why do I say this? I am concerned that while Cell + RSX combo may pump out a dual 3D image at an update rate of 120Hz; I am sure this will be a huge overhead for, quite frankly, ageing hardware.

There will also be an issue with RAM again... unless they have amazing stream in / stream out compression algorithms that permit the ability for the system to flick through double the amount of pixel information per second...

Anyway, will be interesting to see. I just find it difficult to believe that hardware wise the PS3 has enough processing and graphics bandwidth that will permit a game like Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2 to retain their current visualisation resolution, colour depth and frame per second rates whilst still able to render a full real 3D gaming experience!

Q!

"i am home"

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Highlander
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:29:30 PM

I'm thinking that they will drop the resolution somewhat to keep the processing and memory requirements within 'budget'. I don't think that they can drop frame rates if they want to trick the brain into believing the 3D illusion.

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Qubex
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 11:40:09 PM

Yhea, got that Highlander... I think you are right there!

Q!

"i am home"

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Highlander
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:26:49 PM
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Oops, posted in the wrong location...

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smileylyon
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:29:46 PM
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James Cameron's (spelling?) Avatar will be the first game to fully support 3D output out of the box, along with the Bluray release of the movie! Looks pretty sweet!

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Qubex
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 11:40:37 PM

Damn, still need the TV though :)

Q!

"i am home"

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fluffer nutter
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 11:04:18 PM

I've read up about 120Hz being capable of one technology and that 240Hz will be even better. I've already got a 120Hz set from last year and the prices on 240Hz have been dropping massively so I may upgrade the other television some time next year. I saw one sexy set from Samsung at 45% cheaper than the MSRP was when it came out at the beginning of the year. Saweet!

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Qubex
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 11:41:35 PM

Using my logic again, I will wait for the 240Hz one... it seems like a better iteration than the first :)

I am nooooooo rush...

Q!

"i am home"

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godsman
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:38:49 PM
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It's kind of funky to have to wear those 3D glasses to play the games.

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Poor_boy
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:39:47 PM
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Foot off the gas pedal and step on the breaks! In this recovering economy of ours, a time where people are losing jobs, who can afford a 3D HDTV? Sorry to be negative here but I don't even have a HDTV yet (at least not in my room). This is great though 'cuz correct me if wrong but 3D is only possible with 1.3 HDMI. This will make the Xbox360 look like a relic. I guess I underestimated Sony when they said, "it only does everything".

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fluffer nutter
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 11:05:15 PM

Lots of people can afford HDTV's. I know, there are a lot that can't but the market is still profitable for companies.

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Qubex
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 11:43:22 PM

Poor_boy, a relic it will become... what will be of interest to me is how colourful doorstop fashion apparel will get when you have both the Wii and XFlap sitting there to keep the door from banging closed.

Q!

"i am home"

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newchef
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 8:01:45 AM

u mean its not a relic already?

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Poor_boy
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 4:54:17 PM

When I said relic I meant it will make the Xbox360 hardware like from the last generation.

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Alienange
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:46:00 PM
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I must be getting old because this new tech just doesn't interest me. A 3D touchscreen, now that'd be cool.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:49:58 PM
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I don't really get this 3D stuff because I thought we already started 3D gaming more than 10 years ago.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 10:56:42 PM

3D World Runner on NES :)

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Qubex
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 11:44:13 PM

LoL World!

Q!

"i am home"

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newchef
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 8:03:21 AM

they mean 3D as u see in the movies where the pictures look like they are coming thru the TV at you

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 12:11:45 PM

yeah 3D world runner came with the glasses and the 3d red/blue mode.

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Qubex
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 11:46:24 PM

Its ok, by the time you are in the market for one, quite a few iterations would have passed; so you would only be getting the best of the bunch then; probably worth waiting 24 to 36 months and then see what is out... most of new features coming out in the next 1 to 2 years will be standard across all display components then, and would also have come down in price substantially...

It all depends if you have to have that urge of having something right now... but I don't believe it is value for money doing that...

Q!

"i am home"

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Banky A
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 5:33:22 AM

You bought your T.V's?
Shit man nice =]

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___________
Thursday, November 19, 2009 @ 11:16:53 PM
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imagine KZ2 in 3D.
i will finally be able to live out that add they put onto the PSN after release.
staring down a sniper barrel than watch the bullet come hurling towards your face.
also i remember sony saying a while ago that there exploring a way to get the ps3 to render the frames that way you wont need a 3D TV just one that supports 200hz minimum, like how the 3D Nvidia stuff works.
if you have to buy a new tv for it, than it will never catch on even if their dirt cheap because well most people just bought a new tv.
hope they are cheaper though, not like LED TVs there a complete utter rip off!
samsung 40 inch full HD LCD tv $2000
samsung 40 inch full HD LED tv $3600
sony bravia 40 inch full HD LCD tv $2300
sony bravia 40 inch full HD LED tv $3800
got that from the new JBHIFI catalog today.
yea LED tvs are better, they produce much better colors.
but $1500 better?
i dont think so.

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Imagi
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 3:45:44 AM

they will get cheaper, don't think there is much cost difference in production, they just want to turn a good profit on new tech for a couple of years.

I am looking for a new TV so will be looking out for any compatible models with the 3D. I use to have some 3d glasses for my PC setup, did not use it as much as I thought I would due to headaches and eye strain after prolonged use also needing to lower the resolution to keep the frame rate and refresh rate high, was rather good though :)

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___________
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 7:37:03 AM

thats the point LEDs tvs are actually cheaper to make.
and they use less power up to 35% for the high end ones.
3D tvs wont be out till this time next year though, if i was you i would wait till then.
if you cant maybe get a cheapie till the 3D tvs come out.
thats the problem with tvs though theres always new tech coming out.
i remember a few years ago my father needed a new TV and knew LCDs were comming waited ages for them to come out,than got tied and got a CRT.
than LCDs came out within a month.
than LEDs, soon OLEDs than 3D Tvs and laser TVs well they were suppose to be out last year.
if i was buying a new tv i would wait for laser TVs since they offer the best colors, and contrast ratio but no one knows when they will be out.
so if your waiting on them your probably going to be waiting a while.

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Highlander
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 1:10:08 PM

The 'LED TVs' are not LED displays. They are still LCD panels, but they use LEDs for the back-light instead of the conventional cold florescent. The the LED back-light is far more compact than the CFL one, and that results in the mush slimmer TVs.

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Paolo Kutaragi
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 5:18:10 AM
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Could anyone please define this? I don't understand what they mean with "3D Gaming". How this will upgrade and affect our gaming experience?

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newchef
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 8:05:55 AM

they gonna try and get it like the movies where the picture has actual depth to it and it looks like its coming thru the TV using either special pixels or maybe the use of those 3D glasses

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Paolo Kutaragi
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 1:59:44 PM

Thanks for the clarification, newchef.

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Banky A
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 5:34:16 AM
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Emm.. damn money.

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frylock25
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 6:17:55 AM
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so since we are talking tvs kind of i have a problem with my tv, the picture keeps cutting out but it appears to still be turned on. a buddy said it is the transformer. its a 26" flat screen i was wondering if that sounded right to anyone else?

was also looking into finding a new tv if anyone can recommend a good 26 to 32 inch. i do my own research but i value the opinions of this community as there are some very smart people around here. i like the sony bravias but hear mixed things about them. LG almost feels like the way to go.

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Fane1024
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 3:33:52 PM

FWIW, we have a three-year-old (?) 46" Bravia and it's been awesome. The contrast ratio is not-so-good compared to plasmas or even newer LCDs, but otherwise no complaints.

I also have a four-year-old 26" Toshiba HD-CRT, which is fine (and a good choice at the time), but I would buy an LCD if I were getting it now.

Sharp makes some excellent LCDs.


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Riku994
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 6:54:15 AM
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The Avatar video game is gunna be in true 3d. Just sayin.

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DGo8
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 10:57:27 AM
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Im looking for a new TV...but lets be real..these 3D TV's aint goin to be cheap are they. Not alot of people are gonna run out to get a 3D TV for this.

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souljah92
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 1:23:18 PM
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umm i dont understand what 3d gaming is, could somebody please explain what 3d gaming is to me...sorry for the noob question

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frylock25
Friday, November 20, 2009 @ 10:16:22 PM

it seems to mean to me that we play in 3d in the game world but it is essentially a 2d game. since the picture does not give any kind of 3d to the human eye it is still percieved as 2d. gaming in 3d would be like watching a 3d movie where your eye will percieve the objects to actually leave the tv screen and appear in front of you with depth.

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Fane1024
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 3:39:36 PM

The TV provides separate images for each of your eyes, by alternating them rapidly, so you can actually see depth within the game world.

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herukuti
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 3:34:00 PM
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3d gaming would require a new approach to software creation like how the ps3's cell architecture required new methods of programming. as it is now games that are 3d like fallout 3 ae presented in 3d from a planar view, your monitor.i dont think stereo is the way for "3d" and a new technology that allows volumes and mass to be projected would need to be devised.right now stereo gaming comes in many flavors with the differing dishes being of the same taste, regardless of the method employed to achieve stereo 3d the outcome is exactly the same; there are minor differences being comfort level of wearing glasses or not. i feel lcd and crt as well as vacum tube technology is of a high enough degree where 3d can be possible without the need to trick the brain.i have a 60hz hd lcd for my gaming and do not want to "upgrade" to a 120hz monitor for the sake of stereo 3d.

the offset that is required to trick the brain into thinking 2 different planes are existing within the plane used to create the effect, is the mode for presenting "3d" as of now.there is curently no way to properly express volume and mass with current stereo 3d, so regardless of the methods of presenting stereo changing, stereo will never be able to show a mass or volume in projection.

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Fane1024
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 3:50:00 PM

I think the only thing they need for 3D to work AS THEY ARE PROPOSING IT is to generate 2D images from two different "camera" positions, in much the same way as occurs in split-screen.

The worlds are already built in 3D within the computer (at least as wireframes) and then "photographed" to produce the 2D image shown on the monitor.

I don't think any new technique is necessary, though I would like to see the sort of generation of objects with "true" mass and volume that you reference (and of which systems like DMM are precursors) become the norm.


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herukuti
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 8:26:02 PM
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yes fane, you describe stereo "3d" which isnt really 3d but the projection of a single object by means that you have mentioned; offsetting two similar objects so that by your perception they are projected in the mind as a single object through the use of a medium.

the worlds in a computer are 3d(that are made to be such); and depending upon your hardware, look like 3d without a projection of mass or volume.

i feel this technique(stereo3d), which is outdated, is fundamentally(literally) incompatible with the 3d realms created within a space.so, the 3d realms created within a space can never be projected from outside a space through a distortion of space itself;my conjecture.however a space that is likened to a 3d realm can be composited and viewed, and i believe the technology present today is years beyond stereo 3d: that makes this possible.

if you have ever attempted to use stereo with todays high end presentations you encounter artifacts.while this may be true, stereo is still viable for presentations. i just feel it is old and incompatible, and know that "real"3d projection can be possible using means that are not new.

a new method: for example, could be; as mentioned, a composite with stereo point being the place holder for the cycles of refresh being the use of projection. so i would call it composite 3d and the technology present could present all the content that is software through a different means of hardware.of course then, all means of interaction would change, the way games are now presented in 3d from a planar perspective without stereo would be compatible but the method of interaction would differ greatly with composite 3d. it would probably be safe to wear glasses(jk).

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Lordnicon
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 11:20:04 AM
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I think 3D could be a ton of fun and not just a gimmick but then it has to be done right. If only sony televisions are enabled for it then i think ill either be waiting a long time or have to pass this gen because my panasonic is doing great.

I understand the draw to boost sony television sales but they know a lot of people wont be able to just drop their current unit and thats why its going to be a free firmware update (which we are assuming at this point) and i think thats fair. As long as the 3D games a playable in a non 3D format and good without, im more than happy.

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PaiNT_kinG
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 3:47:57 AM
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so i have to fork over another 1 grand plus to buy a new hd tv to experience this,NO THANKS AND HONESTLY I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THIS FAD THAT WILL NOT CATCH ON ANYTIME SOON

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NetheRealm
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 4:06:25 AM
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Just bought a new 73inch Mitsubishi that is 3d ready with glasses sold seprately if they will work I'll buy them. If I have to buy a Sony Bravia then forget it.

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startazz
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 6:49:22 AM
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I'm not sure if someone has said this already but we are about to get a game which is 3D and will work ok on our HDTV,which is Avatar and it looks just great as is but i would like to see or play it in 3D but it would have to be out of this world for me to upgrade from my HDTV to the new Sony 3D.

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