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Are New Firmware Updates Tough On Older PS3 Models?

If you're considering upgrading your old PlayStation 3 to one of the new Slim models, there are multiple reasons in support of that idea. But there may be another one you haven't considered...

Of course, all of this is nothing more than a theory; we're merely noting a running coincidence in responses from our readers and e-mails we've seen in our inbox. In the past, some firmware updates for the PS3 have proved problematic, but many times, they seem to hit older models harder. With the most recent update - firmware 3.10 that delivered Facebook to your XMB - some users were complaining of games and movies freezing on a continual basis and when further prompted, you will find that most of them have old 60GB, 40GB, or 80GB models. I'm wondering if Sony has a response to this, simply because the coincidence appears to be...well, too large to be just a coincidence. I know nothing of programming or how the firmware updates are delivered, or if it's even possible that older models would suffer more from these updates. I'm no tech guy; never have been. I'm only reporting on what I've seen and when I hear a complaint related to a firmware update and I ask after the model in question, 80-90% of the time the answer is expected: they have a PS3 that's at least a year or two old. So, is this all conjecture or might the newer models simply receive these updates in a more reliable fashion?

Perhaps we'll learn more about this in the future but in the meantime, I would say that if you're a Slim owner, I wouldn't be too concerned about downloading new firmwares (at least not for a while).

11/21/2009 2:06:07 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (126 posts)

LowKey
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 2:18:21 PM
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I haven't had any problems with my 60 gig

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Scarecrow
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 2:40:53 PM

Same

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Kowhoho
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 2:58:03 PM

+1

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FoReVeR_0515
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 3:32:14 PM

Same here, launch 60GB PS3 with 500GB HDD upgrade, and no problems here.

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Geobaldi
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 4:33:13 PM

Ditty for me as well

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Highlander
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 4:48:40 PM

Ditto, and I have two of them.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 5:01:28 PM

I never did either!
just saying ;)

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Kempy21
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 5:31:10 PM

i got a 60gig day 1(UK) and its fine.

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Axe99
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 5:52:47 PM

Aye, same here, got 2 60GBs from early 2007 and they're both doing fine. Touch wood!

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Bugzbunny109
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 6:19:49 PM

Yo tambien

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Qwarktast1c
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 6:47:29 PM

same here

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johnld
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 8:08:52 PM

other than my YLOD ps3 replacement probably due to overheating, I've never had any problems with my 60gb and firmware.

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Jed
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 12:32:07 AM

I got me a launch day 60/500gb PS3, never had any problems with firmware updates.

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556pineapple
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 2:06:26 AM

No firmware problems to date on my 60.

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OPHIDIAN
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 7:54:38 PM

I had my day one purchase going YLOD, man it was the worst feeling in the world, especially the way I found out that the yellow light meant that my PS3 was dead - i was oblivious to it before it actually happened to me. Things got worse when my receipt showed that the PS3 was over a year old. Kindly, very kindly, sony replaced the console for a refurbished one FREE of charge.

That moment they informed me they would replace it for free, it was like renewing my vows with playstation. :P

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Lemon_Saint
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 1:03:07 PM

Got the last 80 Gb version, (w/ MG), that has bc, (through emulation), and I haven't had any problems with firmware updates.

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goodgamer
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 2:19:16 PM
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pure bs i own a 60 no problems,my psn id a60ngga addme if u like

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coverton341
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 2:27:27 PM
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I think that it is probably just a coincidence. I have a launch 60GB and no problems but, I dunno?

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tes37
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 2:34:11 PM
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I think it's possible and to be safe I'm not updating my fat one. It's my daughter's now and she only needs it for games, nothing else.

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SnipeySnake
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 2:42:31 PM
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One problem i had with the firmware on my slim:
Whenever i my trophy data tries to go in the sony server, i stops at 15% and comes with his error. Meaning i couldn't go on my profile and change my color or people couldn't view my trophies.

How i solved it:
I continuously clicked on my profile without stopping. Eventually it will work.

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frylock25
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 2:49:36 PM

i kind of do not think that was from the firmware update. i am almost positive that was happening before the update. it seems more like the server. i could be wrong. i had trouble a few times but like you said i just tried a few times and it worked. to me it seemed that the trophy sync problem happened about the time MW2 came out.

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tes37
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 2:49:41 PM

I couldn't sync my trophies with the server right after the update either. The next day it performed the sync just fine.

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Kowhoho
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 2:57:52 PM

Yes this is a problem that me and a few of my friends have been experiencing. After countless attempts it finally worked for me. The progress went up to 10% quickly, crawled VERY slowly to 16% and jumped to 100%. Sony has said that they're working to fix this.

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www
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 7:20:51 AM

Snipey, that's not a problem with the Slim, its an issue across all the various SKUs. I gotta 80GB, I also have the same syncing problem and its been in existence for I don't know how long.

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Alienange
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 2:48:31 PM
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Well this is a new one on me. I thought whenever there was a firmware problem it was across all systems.

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fluffer nutter
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 3:02:49 PM
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Only problem I had was my system freezing when trying to install the BFBC2 beta. I had to attempt the install three times for it to get fully loaded. I've got two of the first 80GB PS3 with partial BC. The problem only happened on one system, not the other.

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daus26
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 3:13:37 PM
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My 60 gig is still fine. Perhaps because it was one of the few to be "Made in Japan"?

No offense, but a lot of lower quality products tend to be made in china. But then again, this may just be a theory. Electronics made in Japan though, have always worked wonderous for me.

The only problem I got from the recent firmware update is that I can no longer stream the videos in the psblog.

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SnipeySnake
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 3:51:16 PM

er were are ps3 slims made from? D;

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Charger7302
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 6:17:20 PM

Now that you mention it, since 3.1, I haven't been able to stream the videos from the blog either. I thought it was probably just the crappy browser and that I just need a hit on refresh, but it still wouldn't work. Looks like this update brought along more wrong then right.

Oh and I know sony said this is just phase one of facebook integration, but why didn't they just wait until they had it ready for full integration? Seems kinda pointless to force your users to update when all your adding is just a little piece of an unfinished feature.

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daus26
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 9:05:41 PM

@SnipeySnake

All game consoles are typically mass produced in China, and that includes the original 60 gig ps3. I was just one of the rare ones that had a PS3 to be produced from Japan.

Just take a look at your PS3. It will most likely say "Made In China." If not, then you're one of the few as well.

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www
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 3:19:45 PM
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I suspect those old model owners already have issues with their consoles and wait for the next firmware update to blame it on, just my thoughts.

I never had firmware update problems with my old late 60GB. My 2nd 80GB never had no problems till I sold it, my 3rd 80GB is also fine.

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Naztycuts
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 3:22:21 PM
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I love ps3 just as much as anyone, but I'm not naive enough to believe that the original models were 100% Sony quality. I got the YLOD on my original and I've noticed a lot of other people reporting the same happened to them.

I've heard that Sony's "fat" ps3 model had sub-par ventilation, and other manufacturing defects (however minor) over time they may just give out. I look at it like the "Slim" was the relaunch of the ps3 meaning it's the ps3 that Sony wanted to wait and release, but they could only let M$ get so far ahead without having their next-gen to compete or risk losing even larger numbers of their install base.

With that said I think it's obvious who's "rushed to the market" systems are more dependable.
I think I've made a valid point all things considered.

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JDC80
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 4:06:25 PM

I remember when sent my 40GB in for exchange, the 40GB I got for Christmas after a few hours of playing on it felt like it was sitting in a oven. The one I got since Summer '08 while issues had popped up from time to time, this thing runs much cooler. As for the update itself I've played "Uncharted 2" "NBA 2k10" "Madden 08" and "Ghostbusters" and the only one that froze was "Uncharted 2"

If I'm lucky this thing holds up until I can get enough money to trade it in for the slim.

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Aftab
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 4:24:28 PM

At the risk of sounding insensitive to the problem affecting you and others (ya know like "it's just you"), I'd have to say that comparing YLOD to RROD is statistically an exaggeration. The numbers speak for themselves, across all users as opposed to a select few.

Personally, I've never had a problem with any of my electronics (including my 360, which is a used 2005 manufactured model). But, this could have to do with my gaming habits (I play in "chunks" and I never leave it running when I'm not playing) and the colder northeast US climate I live in. My 360, though, sounds like a jet taking off when it's running (or more realistically like a hair-dryer).

The first generation fat models didn't have as much as a ventilation problem as they just had "hotter" chips. In other words, the ventilation more or less is the same across all fat models. But, the launch models as well as the later ones used more power and generated more heat.

And this has been a problem in computer architecture since the advent of faster processor technology like the Intel's Itanium, that attempted to push processing speeds to 3.2Mhz and beyond. The theoretical solution was to reduce the burden on processors by distributing it across multiple core processors instead of just one, but the problem still remains.

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Naztycuts
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 5:16:21 PM

Aftab you seem to have a lot of knowledge in the technological aspect of the problem which I like, I was merely offering my opinion as a possibility. I didn't mean to come across as merely a comparison between the YLOD and the RROD but more as an insight into if, and why they would have rushed the systems to market though their performance may not have been 100% satisfactory.

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aaronisbla
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 8:43:56 AM

Show me some factual evidence that the ps3 is one of these "rushed to the market" systems please.

Sure there are problems with it, but its quite minor. Not saying that those who go thru it are lying, but to say it was rushed out is false. If thats the case, every system released has been rushed out

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Aftab
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 9:47:45 AM

I understand, NaztyCuts. And, again, I'm not saying the issues you've had with your ps3's are just with your's (iirc you said that your brother-in-law's ylod'ed on you, too). In fact, I am interested to know about why it might be happening to you and other's like you. Do you live in a dusty/hot climate? Where do keep your ps3? What are your gaming habits like? Was your unit brand new or were they used/refurb's, etc? I'm not saying, either, that it was your fault that it broke, or that you are not careful, but today's faster processor technology (i.e. Consoles, computers, laptops) is a lot more touchy than before.

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Naztycuts
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 1:48:55 PM

@Aftab It was a brand new 40gb purchased Dec. 07 it YLOD'd about a year and a half later. I live in NC, I think my original system gave out due to HEAVY use. I logged over a month of playing time in CoD4 alone. I had it in an optimal environment well ventilated, no excessive dust, etc. That combined with information from my friends (many whom suffered the same scenario) I was left with only the info I put into my piece above to draw a sensible idea as to why this may be happening.

@aaronisbla Hey man I was just speculating, there's this thing I do it's called thinking. Do you think that Sony is going to release "official facts" that would hurt their image? No and if you think the xbox wasn't rushed to market for a headstart then you must not have watched the news when it launched. In business you can only let your competition get so far ahead (even if you have a better product) before you HAVE to get something out there to compete with them. Again these were just my views and opinions man.

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aaronisbla
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 7:12:25 PM

Are you blind Nastycutz? where in my response did i say xbox wasn't rushed? You say you do this thing called thinking but do remember to read all i wrote, it wasn't a lot and im not sure where you got the idea that i said 360 wasnt rushed out. We all know that.

I know its your opinion, all I'm saying is if you find some solid proof that it was rushed out like the 360 was, please sure it with us.

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Naztycuts
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 10:17:19 AM

@Aaron
My bad man I misread what you wrote, and as far as the rest, if I happen to come across anything that supports it I'll let you know. I doubt I will find anything official on it, and I know PS3 has a very low fail rate (especially vs. the 360) they just never tell you what was wrong with them to cause the YLOD, they just say "system hardware failure" or a "drive failure" What's really the cause ya know? Something had to make these components fail.

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hu24ebr
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 3:37:39 PM
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I never had a problem with my 60gig ps3, bought since launch, but i did encounter the famous yellow light of death 2 times, I fixed it myself both times.

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Jed
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 12:37:55 AM

how did you fix it yourself?

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hu24ebr
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 3:17:46 PM

i used a guide i found on the net, its fairly easy, and works every time.
all you have to do is buy a heat gun, and some thermal paste, open the ps3, clean the cpu and gpu, heat every chip for 20 seconds, apply new thermal paste, and assemble back together again.

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Aftab
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 3:43:29 PM
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Thank you very much, Ben. Neutral feedback such as this is invaluable, because corporate response is always guarded by marketing interest. I have not updated my 60gig original as of yet, because I wanted to wait until it was safe (statistically more or less). I'm getting a bit impatient, 'cuz of not being able to access the network.

It could be that 90% of the time, the problematic sku reported happens to be an older model, simply because 90% of ps3 owners have an older model. Meaning that would be the case even if the sku was not a factor of the firmware update problem, at all, or in other words, if the firmware was a equally and proportionately a problem across all sku's. Hopefully that is the case, especially since there are people here with older models who are happily reporting trouble-free updates. So, wish me luck, knock on wood, I'm going through the update, tonight.

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maxpontiac
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 4:13:00 PM
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I believe it's just coincedence.

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packersfan66
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 4:31:40 PM
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firmware 3 yellow lighted my 60gb launch :/

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Highlander
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 4:43:31 PM
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Oh good grief.

Ben, no offense, but you're the last person I'd have thought would run this kind of crap.

It's a firmware update, all it can do is run the software that the system will run. With the exception of something literally designed to stress a system by thrashing the HDD and forcing the CPU/GPU to maximum activity for a continuous period in order to push as much energy as possible through them and cause as much heat as possible, there is no merit to the thought that a firmware update could somehow stress an older PS3 more than a newer one.

Apart from anything else, the three systems you mentioned above all have different motherboards and components ranging from original launch systems with 90nm CPU/GPU and a complete PS2 chipset on board all the way to the 40GB system which shares a motherboard with the second generation of 80GB systems and uses a smaller Cell and RSX than the original launch 60GB systems.

As for everyone face with a fault that causes a yellow light on the PS3, call Sony and arrange a $150 repair. Your system is anything up to 3 years old now, the chances are you've used it pretty heavily and the HDD is fragmented and the BluRay drive needs a clean, it's even possible that dirt and grime have built up in the cooling system to an extent that reduces it's efficiency. The fact that a firmware update happened within the last month is pure coincidence if your PS3 was going to fail anyway.

Statistically PS3 still has a low failure rate. Sure for the person it's failed on, the failure rate is 100%, but over all it's very low. So it sucks if it's you, but that still doesn't make it a widespread issue.

Systems do age, hardware does age. Power cycles stress components all the time, some components may have an imperfection that is undetected until years of service have stressed the component to the point of failure. That's normal and unavoidable.

I've worked with hardware for decades now, and firmware updates can introduce bugs that cause problems. Sometimes it's a revision that's incompatible with particular components or a bug that's only activated when there is a articular combination of configuration. That can cause a system to brick, but it doesn't cause a hardware fault. A hardware fault will happen whether or not there is a firmware update.

This theory that a firmware revision is somehow tougher on launch systems is utterly without merit.

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Highlander
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 4:52:35 PM

Should have added the obligatory - IMHO of course.

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xnonsuchx
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 4:53:06 PM

Ben's article seems to ignore the fact that MOST PEOPLE have a system a year old or more...especially the people on forums such as these. If you have 10-20% new models and 80-90% older models, OF COURSE a lot more older models are gonna see random issues.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 4:59:22 PM

i gotta agree with higlander!

i said it in the last article about the 3.10 update caysing freezing issues and ill say it again. There may be a few people having issues but they are obvisouly in the minority. Yes Sony will fix it regardless the amt. of people having problems but its nothing to gripe about.

Updates have no hidden agenda whatsoever! they are put out to patch and fix, and yes update our systems for bigger and better things. Even though facebook isnt a necessity it definately makes the console more appealing.

It actually seems like the consumers with the older ps3 are having less problems as well. I dont see the point in articles like this because it stirs up controversy that sint needed, wether its a harmless question or not! all someone has to do is read the headline and they will run with it!

Get over it people they are updates, and Sony would do whatever to fix a broken update so please just accept the fact that Sony is actually on our side with these updates and want to make the systems better! I dont see updates being harder on older systems, that and the hardware is the same in the ps3! I have seen no conclusive evidence of this at all!

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Fane1024
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 @ 5:03:45 PM

While I do think the failure rate of the PS3 is now considerably higher than early reports suggested, The Highlander is right.

I got my YLOD just before 3.10 released. If I had gotten it two days later, I might have been tempted to blame 3.10, but I would have been wrong. The hardware failed because the chips got too hot after three years of use and accumulation of dust.

I wish Sony had built the 60 Gb a little better, so I wouldn't have gotten the YLOD, but that's what you get when you buy bleeding-edge technology.

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xnonsuchx
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 4:49:10 PM
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No probs on my launch 60GB model too (upgraded to 250GB HD). The only problem I've ever had is sometimes the system not seeing the HD when it reboots after the update, but shutting it off and turning it back on fixes that (it does the same thing if I boot to Linux and reboot back to Game OS). I have to admit I also don't use mine too heavily.

Add one more to the coincidence believers. And even if you see a bunch of people complaining about it online, how many people are ACTUALLY affected...maybe 1-5% at most? It's kinda annoying to read stories that make it sound like maybe 25-50% of people are affected...but then all sensationalism annoys me. :-)

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Jed
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 12:46:19 AM

I have a launch 60gb console, updated to a 500gb, and I get the "cant find the HDD" message once in a while. After a restart, and a deep breath, it works just fine.

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DGo8
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 5:04:00 PM
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My 40GB is doing fine never had any problems with my games/films messing up

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Jawknee
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 5:37:53 PM
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It does seem coincidental. shortly after 2.80's release my 60gb's blue Ray drive suddenly stopped reading blue Ray discs.

I didn't know 2.40 killed ps3, but didn't the NXE update for xbox brick a bunch of consoles?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 5:50:57 PM
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Too many of you are having the standard knee-jerk reaction that sometimes paints our site in a bad light. You think that I'm saying the PS3 is unreliable or something, and that I'm trying to prove there's a problem that everyone should know about...just because you're PS3 fans.

Bear in mind that the article is only driven by what I've seen. I get a lot more feedback than any of you, and when I say that the vast majority of issues concerning firmware updates happen with older systems, I'm not exaggerating. If it's coincidental, fine. If I'm wrong, fine.

But at least understand what was written so we're not afraid to write something OTHER than pro-Sony editorials. Just because YOU don't have problems doesn't mean they don't exist, and I also find it very interesting that so many people are willing to voice their displeasure when a firmware update messes with their system and then, a week later, they're staunchly defending the system as if it didn't happen. Let's try to avoid this sort of short-sightedness, shall we?

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Axe99
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 5:56:49 PM

Aye, I'll back Ben here (and most other things he writes as well, the odd review of photography sims notwithstanding ;)) - he makes it quite clear in what he writes that he's just reporting what he's seen. He doesn't say "every older model's going to have problems", and the only suggestion he makes is that Slim owners shouldn't need to worry about PS3 updates. The headline is stating facts (if the site was shooting for hits, it would have been something like "PS3 updates killing early models", or similar) and the text seems just fine.

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www
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 6:13:44 PM

Ben I know the people your pointing at and I agree. Just because YOU don't have problems doesn't mean they don't exist!

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LowKey
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 6:23:45 PM

I never said the problems diddn't exist, I merely said that I haven't had any problems. What I should have done is expanded my prior comment to say. Mabey its certain model numbers that are having the difficulties. I think when people write about the problems they should wrte what model they have. Like, I have a 60gb CECHA01. Mabey it would clear up some of those people you are talking about Ben. Just an idea though.

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NoMoreWar
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 6:29:47 PM

for serious

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Highlander
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 6:35:13 PM

Ben,

I work with hardware, and have worked with computer hardware for decades. There is nothing in a firmware update that is somehow tougher on one system than another. The thermal design of the PS3 (as is the case with any other quality design) is based around the theoretical maximum heat dissipation required. For the theory that some kind of feature included in a firmware update would cause a hardware failure to be true, the firmware would have to somehow cause a hardware condition beyond the theoretical or designed limits.

Given that the devices in question are up to 3 years old and have had - in many cases - heavy use, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that simple wear and tear has made those older systems more susceptible to failure than the newer systems with fewer power cycles under their belt. That alone would account for a disparity between older launch systems and newer slims with regard to failures. Not to mention the relative disparity in numbers between existing purchasers with old systems and those with new.

Combined with the natural tendency to be more attentive to our systems following an update it's not hard to see why people jump to the conclusion that older systems have more of an issue with updates. But that doesn't mean that there is a causative relationship.

Your final statement (in the original article) is quite ambiguous and leaves a reader with the thought that while Slim owners shouldn't be concerned, what about others?

If you want to take us as a group to task for being critical of your article, that's your privilege, but the article discusses a possible hardware issue and uses nothing more than anecdotal evidence as support for the thesis. OK no conclusions were drawn, but you know that most people who own a PS3 and read the internet do not have a background in computer hardware and tend to take their lead from articles on the Net.

So, in answer to your question "So, is this all conjecture or might the newer models simply receive these updates in a more reliable fashion?" I'll point to my replies as support for my answer that yes it's pure conjecture.

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LowKey
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 6:49:46 PM

Highlander, OK we get it your an old hardware guy, you don't have to keep bringing it up. Not sure but diddn't Sony Change the hardware sometime around the 40 gb system? I believe they did. Your so fixated on trying to make yor point, that you aren't exploring other possibilities. I'm not trying to be that much of an ass but I can't help it when Ben is only reporting something and you friggin people crucify him as though he did something wrong. What people can't talk about problems with a system that they like? Who cares if you've worked with HW for "decades" stuff happens, stuff goes wrong, drivers screw up when somthing incompatible is introduced. Get over yourself, if the majority of consoles that have problems after fw updates are fattys then it doesn't matter how long you've worked with HW because thats what it is.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 6:53:25 PM

Highlander, I get it. I suppose that "wear and tear" you mention has no impact on firmware updates.

I'm just telling you what I see.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 9:21:41 PM

i hate how everyone is jumpin on highlander for his disagreement with Ben. Highlander is making valid points, and is right there is no conclusive evidence of this at all.

If people are contacting you Ben and saying there machines are being affected by updates (older ones specifically) i highly doubt its thousands upon thousands compared to the millions upon millions of PS3 owners. That is still a small number of people, and in my opinion would still be a minority. I know numbers wernt thrown out there, i just find it surprising people would tell you rather than do something about it themselves, unless they are asking for advice of course. I also find it rather weird that 90% of the comments have been about how they are not ussually affected by updates, and have the older systems yet people (the small amount that have had problems) are defending this.

I dont mind articles that are not pro-sony, and im also not of the the people who said im affected by Firmware updates, then jump on this article. I have never been affected by an update to the extent of complaining about it. In fact i never have compained about one, because i know they are there for the greater good! and if something was to go wrong Sony would fix it, as in NOMOREWAR's case as an example!

I love this site, and i enjoy reading what you, (Ben and Arnold) have to write about, say, and your opinions. But Articles like this always rattle me for the fact that it always stirs up controversy, no matter who writes it. If someone were just browsing and seen this title, it could get blown way out of proportion without them even reading the whole article. Thats my problem with this. If people are having problems ok so they are, i know just cus im not doesnt mean others are not. But i have to say i dont believe its solely because of updates. The hardware in PS3' is the same. From my point of view it doesnt seem like its a huge issue.

Highlander seems very knowledgable and the theory of wear and tear makes more sense. Highlanders points are valid so dont hate on him because he actually has a very good argument. he doesnt need my back up obviously cus he knows more than my whole graduating class but still, i feel the same way he does, he just puts it into better words!


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Highlander
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 10:58:31 PM

@LowKey

Whatever. Go on and believe whatever you want. I prefer experienced to 'old', but your mileage may vary.

I'm simply saying that anecdotal evidence of a problem is not enough to formulate a theory because it is a highly self selecting sample of experiences. But, hey, go on and ignore that, go on and insult me because I disagree or may (or may not) have more knowledge or experience than you.

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LowKey
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 2:15:17 AM

Dude I'm not insulting you because you disagree. I'm insulting you because 1. the way you are disagreeing and 2. You are talking as though only what you are saying is possible. I'll admit you probably have 100 times more knowledge aboot hardware than I do, but you diddn't stop and think of the other possibilities. Sony Changed thier hardware inside and out did they not? So the new hardware may be better for the updates and firmware than the old hardware. You diddn't take into account the different model types/numbers, It may all depend on which models are screwing up, was it a 20, 60, 40, or 80 gig? whats the number on the back? You may be right too, it could just be coincidence/wear. You've got to consider a whole range of possibilities if you don't know exactly all the details yet. I'm just tired of people not so much disagreeing with Ben, but doing so in a way that tells everyone you (people in general) Think he's an invalid or something. That's why I got mad.

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aaronisbla
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 9:12:46 AM

Seriously lowkey, look at what highlander said. How the f*** did he crucify ben? or anyone for that matter?

Highlander disagreed with the article at hand and provided some of his knowledge to help him prove his point. He didn't do it to show off his "geek cred". And i don't see where Ben was attacked at all. Highlander never said he's right and everyone else is wrong, he just gave his opinion of what the problem may be. Your anger is uncalled for

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Boger
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 5:56:52 PM
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I have a launch 60gb with a 250gb hdd. I have never had any issues with any firmware updates. No troubles at all.

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pavlovic
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 5:58:35 PM
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Fortunately I have my 60GB (upgraded to 250GB) working just fine.

I've read many comments blaming 3 and 3.01 firmwares for broken BD readers.

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Highlander
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 6:37:21 PM

Yeah - some would have use believe things like...Sony somehow adding a routine into the firmware that cycles excess power through the BluRay laser diode causing it to fail...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

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NoMoreWar
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 6:44:11 PM
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i had a launch 60gb bricked by 2.40, replaced for free by Sony (out of warranty so it took a bit of push-and-shove). and now the refurbed 60gb they sent me is having these freezing issues. i'm not here bashing on Sony either because i recognize that sh*t happens. i'm just pointing out that the 60gb is not impervious to these problems. some of us have gotten the short end of the luck stick if you will. i think this article is very well founded. a lot of people are experiencing similar issues, with many of them occurring after the 3.00 and 3.01 updates, too. i was on the phone yesterday with playstation customer service and managed to get the guy to tell me that they "have been receiving many calls recently from people with the same problem, and most of them are older consoles." he then suggested that the older consoles are just experiencing warn-out blu-ray drives. however, i am with Ben on this; i believe the older consoles are having issues with the newer firmware updates. its just too weird that so many people suddenly run into freezing immediately prior to downloading an update.
from everything that i have read, i remain fairly confident that the next update just may resolve my freezing problems. someone commented on the first article about 3.10 freezes saying that he had been experiencing freezes since 3.00 or 3.01, and that 3.10 actually seemed to fix it for him. so, as i said, i remain confident

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Highlander
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 10:51:07 PM

Wasn't 2.4 the update the on some systems didn't install properly and screwed the HDD? As I remember it, most of the time it was recoverable by removing and reformatting the HDD. When you put the HDD back in, the system saw it as a new drive and reformatted it and after that the system was OK (though obviously if you didn't have a backup you were screwed). Naturally the firmware installation encourages us to do a backup first, but how many, as a % of all PS3 users, do?

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bigrailer19
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 11:06:39 PM

probably not very many. i know i dont and i should as i have suffered data loss before! point is your right it should be done. and it would solve a ton more problems and fewer complaints!

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NoMoreWar
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 12:04:49 AM

well after that experience, i use the backup utility all the time. and yes, it did screw up the hdd. i though i could just take it out and reformat it, but the drive was completely toast. nothing would even recognize it as a hard drive. i debated just buying a new, bigger hdd for it, but when Sony agreed to give me a free refurbed system, i decided to just go with that

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Craigo
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 6:47:36 PM
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I have a slim because day 1 60gb YLOD. With 3.10 I am having dualshock problems and freezing. 60gb was fine untill it died :(

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NeoHumpty
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 8:02:52 PM
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One would think it may have something to do with what machines they use for testing. I'd guess it is less likely they will catch problems on an older model because they don't have many to use.

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tes37
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 8:24:55 PM
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Does anyone know why Sony doesn't have any maintenance software on the ps3. I have to run it on my mac and so do pc users if we want our machines to run efficiently. Seems to me that with all the constant downloading and deleting of files, some fragmenting can occur on the drive and possible corruption of files. Maybe fragmenting an update has happened.

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daus26
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 9:16:30 PM

That might actually be necessary. With gaming consoles, especially the PS3, becoming more and more mulitmedia and like a PC, all sorts of stuff will go into that HDD and fragments can occur. If we want our system to last long, then we have to have a way of maintaining it.

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coyo18
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 9:59:30 PM

That would be interesting
A defrag option on the XMB

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tes37
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 10:03:33 PM

If your update download comes in and gets written in a space too small it will look for the next empty blocks to finish and possibly fragment, thereby having the same effect as killing the power during the crucial install. Just a theory, I have no expertise here.

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Highlander
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 10:47:27 PM

A defrag utility would definitely come in handy. I wouldn't mind if it performed a defrag either before or after a firmware update, as long as it requires that you perform a backup before the defrag. All we need is someone doing a defrag who's power goes out in mid defrag resulting in an ever so slightly bricked PS3. At least with a complete system backup available such a situation is recoverable.

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NoMoreWar
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 12:08:24 AM

sony has stated that the ps3 defrags its hdd every time you shut it off so that it won't run into fragmenting issues

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Highlander
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 2:05:01 AM

Interesting. I hope that they are more correct than MS were when they said that NTFS wouldn't need defragmentation.

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xnonsuchx
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 3:00:03 AM

NoMoreWar - It would take FAR LONGER than the ~10 sec. shutdown time to defrag the HD.

The only way to really defrag it would be to backup, reformat and then restore the backup data. I think I only ever did a backup when I upped my 60GB HD to a 250GB one and wanted to copy my ~20GB of data to the new HD. Maybe I'll up it to a 500-640GB HD in the near future and do a backup then.

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Imagi
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 3:58:25 AM

It depends on what type of file system Sony have used or created, it may not require any defrag tools to be used. NTFS and FAT16/32 was never exactly a well designed file system when compared to others.

If people are that concerned I would think that backing up all your content to an external USB drive, formating your PS3's internal HDD and then restoring your backed up data should do the job.

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NoMoreWar
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 10:08:05 AM

unless there is hardly anything to defrag, which would be the case if it did it every time. or perhaps it just scans to see if a defrag is "necessary," and only does it every once in a great while. sometimes when i shut mine off it takes a lot longer than usual

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Fane1024
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 @ 5:23:25 PM

I haven't tested this (and currently can't), but apparently there is a service menu built into the PS3, which does include a defrag option.

Supposedly, you hold down the power button during start-up to force the system to re-do the Display and Audio settings and then do it again to launch into the service menu.

As I said, I haven't tested the procedure, so I may be describing it inaccurately.

p.s. The file storage system is supposedly less prone to fragmentation due to the way it stores files as opposed to something like Windows.


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NoMoreWar
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 @ 9:06:07 PM

i've been toying around with mine since my PS3 began freezing. you first must shut the system down by pressing and holding the power button until it is all the way off (don't release power until the red light comes on). then you push and hold power until a double beep (if you don't hear the rapid succession "beep beep" then let it shut off and try again). the service menu should come up with the following options:

1. restart system
2. restore default settings
3. restore file system
4. rebuild database
5. restore ps3 system
6. system update

i was assuming that rebuilding the database was the same as a defrag, but i lost some videos when i did this. so maybe its restore file system. anyway, the system update feature allows you to forcefully reinstall the latest update via usb flash drive. i'm going to attempt to force 3.01 back onto it and see if it works (not sure if it will accept an older firmware).

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Buckeyestar
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 10:47:26 PM
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Isn't the topic of this article a foregone conclusion? Most PS3 systems that are out there in use are older "non slim" models, of course there will be more of those having problem if there are more of them to begin with. You claim that 80-90% of systems with firmware issues are older models. Well aren't about that many of all PS3s in homes likely to be older models as well? It's just the law of averages.

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fooosie
Saturday, November 21, 2009 @ 11:27:34 PM
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My cechh01 40gig's stopped reading all disks in the BRdrive hours after update 3.0. It was out of warranty so I fixed it myself and its worked great since. So... coinsidence (makes 50/50 gesture) maybe. I'll side with optimism.

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___________
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 1:24:45 AM
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i bought the slim and ever since the 3.10 update i have to plug my controller in for it to work, every time i unplug it the connection is lost and i have to pug it back in.

as for the older versions freezing more often its probably because of the heat.
older systems especially the 60GBs produce enough heat to cook a steak.
and ive heard there much morse susceptible because the heat sink paste sony was using was really cheap and crappy and did not distribute heat properly.
also it breaks down very quickly, another reason why most units that YLOD are the 60GBs because other systems are not old enough for the past to of broken down yet.

watch any fix it yourself YLOD video on you tube and most will tell you to replace the heat sink paste every year or so because sony uses some really cheap crap.

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Highlander
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 2:27:13 AM

Sony uses about the same quality of thermal paste that Intel, AMD and IBM use. It's all pretty much the same. Arctic Silver (for example) is probably better, but the HSF makes far more difference when you're talking about cooling performance with a CPU or GPU cooler.

Personally, I'd absolutely recommend against dismantling your PS3, removing the heat sink and fan, cleaning off the old thermal compound and applying new compound, before trying to re-assemble the PS3. The reason being that most people don't know what they are doing when it comes to heat sink fans and thermal paste. One mistake in the way it's applied, or the HSF is re-mounted in the system and you have a small cloud of acrid smoke and a toasted PS3.

But, if it's out of warranty and you think you know and you wouldn't listen to the voice of reason that says that the original compound probably has 95% or more of the performance of the 'high quality' compound you intend to apply, you'll no doubt go for it. Good luck, you may need it.

The most effective way to prevent your system from overheating is simple common sense. Keep the vents clear. vacuum them clean every once in a while, clean the surface that your PS3 is sitting on from time to time and clear the area to ensure good airflow.

As for thermal paste degrading. I run an overclocked air cooled Prescott Pentium D chip with the original retail HSF and thermal paste with a modest 12% overclock. Temps remain well within the healthy range and I've run the same system without change for nearly 5 years. Temps are the same now as they were when I built the thing. Thermal paste may degrade at the edges, but the performance of the thermal pad as a whole is not affected - unless you remove the HSF. Of course then you must replace the thermal compound. Beware though, some of the Arctic Silver and similar compounds are designed for benchmarking and challenging overclocking situations and do break down in a relatively short time. Using them is like using WD-40 to help an old engine to start. Once you use it once you can't stop using it.

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___________
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 7:46:36 AM

i do normally i was doing that with my 60GB since it was out of warranty, but since my slim has 3 years warranty and runs cool as a fridge theres no need to.
though i would like to open it up and see what revisions they have made.
heres a story for ya.
a few years ago we were building brand new dual core computers.
one of the guys put the CPU in backwards, instead of putting the pins than putting the paste on the top he put the paste on the pins than heat sink and crushed them.
should of seen the teacher, never have i seen someone so angry, cant blame him but i was ready to bolt.
O and it was not me, it was this old guy in my class, even though i made it sound like it was me.
im a idiot, but not that much of a idiot.

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Highlander
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 2:09:21 PM

ROTFLMAO! That's hilarious!

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Qubex
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 4:30:13 AM
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I have an original 60GB "fat" PS3 and have "never", read again, "never" had any issues with any firmware update. Everything works as it should, touch wood!

In order to keep it in working order... I keep the ventilation vents spotless by using an Electrolux vacuum cleaner with brush spout to suck out all the nasties ever week... been doing this for almost 4 years and the machine works beautifully and is quite...

Q!

"i am home"

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Andysw
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 6:31:52 AM
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I hope they fix this problem.

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DemonNeno
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 10:43:35 AM
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First of all, does the PS3 perform a checksum for the firmware updates after install? Kind of like a winRAR thing, to confirm no data is corrupt?

Secondly, you will ALWAYS have software install failures. Albeit they shouldn't account for more than 2-5% of users. It's the nature of the cyber beast.

Third, what would the theory of older systems failing be based on, hardware-wise? Other than smaller die technology (thus why the slim runs cooler, the smaller the chips, the less heat is created), there isn't an noticable difference between the systems.

And finally, the YLOD is called technology. This is why anything manufactured has a warranty. If they invested top notch technology into the PS3, the price could easily triple to account for the R&D and materials. So what is done by manufacturers is known as the better of the two evils. They take something that has a lesser chance of failure, although failure is ALWAYS possible, and incorperate that technology until something new is affordable. Hence why the slim ultimately came out, as a smaller, leaner and greener unit.

The price of a die the size of the slims' would have hiked the initial PS3 a good ~$300 back in its hayday. Keep in mind, with a smaller chip, they incorperated a smaller mainboard. The two could easily put on the finanical hurt per unit. Look at CPUs for PCs. What would cost you $200 for a 95nm CPU one year can be replaced with a 65nm CPU the next for the same price.

Bottome line, I think the illness has more to do with data corruption than it does anything else. Although, i must admit, i don't know what precautions Sony takes with these files prior to the flashing of firmwares once the data is downloaded.

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DemonNeno
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 11:26:48 AM

@ Highlander - That sounds very possible as well! I wonder how many owners have blasted a can of endust in their PS3 to clean it up..? I've always lived in fear for my electronics when I had carpetting in my home. I now sport a woody floor to keep the crap off of my electronics and an endust treatment every 3-6 months for heat-sensitive electronics (amplifiers, PCs, consoles)...

I've yet to find any info on how this PS3 actually executes its' updates. It seems as if it's classified Sony info, but it would save me quite the headache if everything about the damn updates wasn't in the dark for the consumer base! :?

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Highlander
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 2:15:39 PM

Sony keeps all information about the firmware process pretty close to it's chest. I agree though, it would be logical to at least checksum it. I'd think a small amount of compression would handle that as well as reducing the download size.

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Nick Maim
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 12:58:06 PM
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Got a Slim and 3.1 update is now causing random freezing issues while playing games off disc. And rarely.

Can't see how an update on a system would cauze issues on an older system that is running the exact same specs as the new one. After all, all the parts are the same, just physically smaller on the new Slims..

Unless we're talking a quantum fluctuation issue on the boson higgs gravitron swap between components blah blah.. you should do another post on that as a possible thing.. get hits..


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shaydey77
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 1:18:54 PM
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i have my 40 gigger at home. Couldnt download the update for MW2 or the firmware. but then theres been major floodign at home..back in college now so ill try again at the weeked.

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KOSMOS111
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 1:56:55 PM
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Nothing wrong with my 60 gig model so far =)

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Robochic
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 2:13:28 PM
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Most articles I read and most people I talk to on failure is due to owner issues not hardware issues, I have never had a issue with updating my console at all but it's a 20GIG and their is not many of those bad boys out there.

When i mean owner issue i mean tampering ect... this is true with the 360 and I have seen it true with the ps3 from my friends who work at the call centre for 360 and my friends who just wanted to tamper with the PS3 to see what they can do with it. Now I'm not saying that all problems are due to owner issues but the majority of people I talk to after an update is like well ya i took my ps3 apart and upgraded something or I did this to it to make it look cooler and now I can't update cause it screws everything up and thats their faults not Sony's.. its the same BS i hear with 360 owners well I wanted free play so i tampered and now when I update I get 3 red lights or blah blah these people i dont' feel sorry for them it's their faults.

Ben i see where you are coming from but the Question I would ask is "have they ever tampered with the Hardware in someway" if they say yes, you have a good answer. Oh and changing the HDD is not Tampering even though someone tried telling me it was lol

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Highlander
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 2:17:59 PM

LOL, point the person who thinks changing the HDD is tampering at Sony's own website and the instructions on how to change the HDD....

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MrGenocide
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 3:31:37 PM
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Have one of the newer (non BC) 80 gigs and no problems here besides Fallout 3's freezing..but hen again who's Fallout 3 DOESN'T freeze?

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Deleted User
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 3:42:48 PM

I had that same problem you had with Fallout 3.

I'm going to keep my PS3 offline until I hear otherwise. I'm not buying any games off of PSN any time soon.

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chucknasty
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 6:12:27 PM
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Ahhhh!!! I hate how every update has a handful of people that say it bricked their system. Software doesn't work that way. If it caused a problem it would happen to everyone who own that model and likely everyone who owns a PS3.
if you have an older system you never dust and it craps the bed after four years please don't blame the software.
Sorry to be slow to rant, just back back from vacation...

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shadowscorpio
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 7:34:27 PM
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Has anyone bought a slim and notice under "system information" it says 111GB instead of 120GB? If so is they a reason why the box says 120GB system but we only get a total of 111GB? Where's my 9GB? of course you may not know if you've already upgraded your slim's harddrive...

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Deleted User
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 8:52:36 PM

The console needs some of those GB to operate, I believe. The 360 also uses some of the GB. Same thing with a PC.

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Highlander
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 10:56:22 PM

I bet it's because the HDD in the system is sold separately by the manufacturer as a 120GB drive, however 120GB never means 120GB. According to HDD manufacturers it means 120 billion bytes, which if you do the math comes out at about 111GB (actually it's more or less 111.75GB). However the point is that companies market drives with capacities in round numbers. 120GB, 250GB, 320GB and so forth. Apparently the marketing people also believe that people in general are dolts who can't distinguish between a GB and a billion bytes. So they term 1 billion bytes as being 1GB for their purpose.

The upshot is that the 120GB drive in the PS3 has a real technical capacity of about 111GB, and your 8GB haven't disappeared, they were simply never there.

As Brighat1971 says the console also reserves some space so several GB of the total capacity of the drive is also reserved, but it should be clear to you when you look at the drive information just how much the system uses for itself.

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Imagi
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 @ 3:19:45 AM

Yeah HDD people do that I always thought it was a con, is wrong and should be gone!

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shadowscorpio
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 7:40:50 PM
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BTW i used to be shadow one. Changed avatar also. I did the 3.10 update as soon as it was available. Used my PS3 slim everyday since and haven't had one problem.

You know i wonder if the people experiencing issues have an upgraded harddrive??

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CaptainTrips
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 8:44:19 PM
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I have 2 PS3s. An older b/c 80gb and a newer non b/c 80gb. Both are running 3.10. My older 80gb completely freezes up about 5 minutes into playing any Blu-Ray movie since the firmware update. My newer 80gb plays the same exact discs just fine. They both play Blu-Ray games without a problem, it's only my older 80gb since the upgrade that has a problem. Maybe it's just a coincidence, maybe not.

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realmadpuppy
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 10:40:55 PM
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I have a 40 gig upgraded with a 320 gig HD and have had not one problem.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 2:21:43 AM
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@Brighat1971 and @Highlander
I don't know much about computers ,harddrive space and such but learning . Thanks guys

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Highlander
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 10:11:59 AM

No Problem. The whole HDD capacity as sold vs the real capacity of an HDD is something I wish we could change. It's dishonest in my opinion because they sell drives with a capacity number that is almost never the truth because once it's formatted the drive has a few GB less than stated. It's also not well known that HDD makers do this, sure geeks know, but most customers don't, and that's not very fair to them.

If you buy a 1TB drive only to find that in fact when it's formatted you have 932GB according to your computer, the first thing you're gonna ask is what happened to my 68GB of missing space? (I know I did!)

I just feel that it's dishonest of HDD makers to sell drives with misleading numbers on them.

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comowhat
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 8:34:57 AM
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I see a slight problem in the theory. Your representation of PS3 owners is skewed. Most people reading this site have been PS3 owners for quite some time. Which means that if someone responds to your query about which model they have, the odds are high that they will have an older model.

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RekeHavick
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 11:26:44 AM
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Here's another wrinkle: My 60GB launch console (NA) hasn't had problems with firmware updates - and yet this latest one was supposed to add Facebook - yet there is nothing, anywhere on my console that even refers to Facebook. Nothing in the XMB nothing in any menu etc...
Not that I care.

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NoMoreWar
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 1:51:57 PM

it doesn't add facebook, it adds the option to have useless info like trophies earned show up in your facebook feed so all your friends can see. complete f-ing waste of time. you can access this uselessness under Playstation Network > Account Management

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Fane1024
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 @ 5:40:21 PM

You already had access to Facebook, via the browser. According to Eric Lempel, the update also tweaked the browser to run Facebook pages better (though I would guess it's still crappy).

More fixes and features are supposedly on the way.

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thj_1980
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 5:58:40 PM
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well does this new firmware update brake your ps3 at all becaus ei still ahven't and scared too.

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spiderboi
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 @ 4:03:58 AM
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Sorry for being offtopic..

Question to the techie guys: how much space do I need when backing up? What does the PS3 backup, does it also include the GAME DATA installs, or just the SAVE DATA? I've some LBP content I bought, and not sure if this will also be backed up.

*Note: I tried connecting an 80GB HDD via USB but the PS3 doesn't seem to detect it. Can I only back up using Flash drives?

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NoMoreWar
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 @ 10:17:27 AM

i'm not a "tech guy" but i'll tell you what i know. if you're using the backup utility, it basically copies the PS3's hard drive in a compressed format of some sort. my ps3 had about 50 or so gigabytes on it when i recently ran the backup utility. when it was done, the backup info on my external hdd took up around 30gbs. when you restore the PS3 with this backup data, it will be almost exactly the way it was before; all user names, saved data, psn accounts, and so on. it is possible to lose some minor information like song info you may have entered manually. and you could lose some media downloaded from the PS Store (you just have to redownload it, easy enough if you go to your download list in the store's upper right corner). also, you will need to sync trophies before and after.

the other thing you can do is copy over the stuff you want to keep individually. you can copy music, videos, and some game saves. but lately a lot of games no longer allow you to copy the game saves for some reason. thus the backup utility is a better way to go. it just takes awhile...

as for your external hdd not working, perhaps it is not the right format. i think it has to be fat 32 for the ps3 to recognize it. as long as there isn't anything on it that you need/want to keep, i think the ps3 can reformat it for you under the format utility. you should see an option for USB device i believe.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 @ 5:52:15 PM

NoMoreWar did a great job, so I'll just add some extra info.

I just helped my father back up his PS3 and c.160 GB of data (photos, music, etc.) compressed into 116 GB. It took around 3 hours to create the file.

I would suggest also keeping a separate copy of any game saves which you are allowed to copy, as restoring your system takes about as long.

And the external drive does need to be FAT32.


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spiderboi
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 10:34:18 PM

Thanks NoMoreWar and Fane :)

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AluShady
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 @ 6:10:42 PM
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After not agreeing with this article my PS3 bricked... 40 gig version I bought from a guy off craigslist 2 years ago for 350.

I went into best buy with the warranty an hour ago and now I have a new slim 120g version.

I miss my stuff though.

I was a little under 2 weeks away from the warranty expiring. Bliss.

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