PSXE Poll Update: Playing Online Is A Mixed Bag
We were interested to see how our readers view the state of online gaming and for the most part, it seems it's typically an enjoyable experience although the jerks and creeps are usually unavoidable.
The majority of you clearly think it's well worth your time to log on and have a few rounds of Modern Warfare 2 or some other game, but a good number do have significant problems with the level of stupidity frequently displayed during online matches. We've heard complaints in the past about all sorts of verbal abuse - even racism and sexism - in addition to those who simply wish to act like dopes and ruin everyone's good time. For whatever reason, you just can't do much about this problem but there is a fairly obvious solution: stick with playing with Friends or at least those you've played with before. Many say this is the best and easiest way to have a blast online without suffering through the verbal trough of disgusting insults and ignorant rants. Personally, I rarely play online anyway but when I do, it's almost always with people I know; the one time I played against strangers in the past few months revealed a certain sickness amongst those people that was just downright depressing.
Anyway, on to the topic at hand: that ultra-controversial terrorist scene in the aforementioned MW2. If you're not familiar, the level has you playing as an undercover agent when terrorists open fire on civilians in an airport lobby. The question is, do you see this as art, so we shouldn't question Infinity Ward's vision? Or do you simply say that it fits the storyline, despite the questionable material? For my part, I found it tasteless and just plain unnecessary; you can't hide behind the "realistic" comment because there isn't an undercover agent from any government that would just start slaughtering innocents so as not to blow his cover. Yeah, I think not. And as for the story, you could've shown it to us in a cinema; having us do it was a bad call. I have yet to meet someone who didn't feel uncomfortable when playing through that, and if you don't, I would suggest seeking help.
So what's your take on the matter? And do me a favor and keep the Comments civil; this is the kind of topic that can breed a lot of bad feelings, so take it easy.
11/22/2009 9:59:34 PM Ben Dutka
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Dancemachine55
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 10:29:19 PM
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My friends were disgusted by the realism and brutality of it too. One of them suggested that had it been real, the undercover agent would have shot the terrorists upon first getting hands on a gun.
A cutscene would still have been effective for conveying the story. It appears to me Infinity Ward and Activision are looking at shock value to gain attention, but heres the thing...
They didn't need any more attention!!! It's the sequel to the biggest game of all time!!!
Very wrong, and totally unnecessary. Nothing fun about it.
And now we've got Kane and Lynch 2 going for the whole shock thing. It is just not necessary and will only further give video games a bad image to the public. If anything fortunate comes from this, its that video games will be seen as a mature entertianment platform for adults, not as a children's toy anymore. (No thanks to the Wii for that view)
Scarecrow
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 11:12:07 PM
Douchebaguette
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 12:48:55 AM
NiteKrawler
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 1:12:17 AM
Douchebaguette
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 1:40:35 AM
johnld
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 2:27:05 AM
Modern warfare 2 is an M rated game, So 12 year olds shouldnt even be allowed to play it. The reality is that they always find a way.
As for the stupidity online, on psn at least. As the price for the system went down, behaviors like these start to rise. I never had that much problems before the price cut and now those kids just keep ruining my online experience. That damn voice changer just amplifies it even more.
TGG
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 10:41:23 PM
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Kind of the entire point. Though you do have the option of shooting the terrorists. Or not shooting at all. They'll kill you anyways.
"and if you don't, I would suggest seeking help."
I didn't have any sort of problem with it. Seems the anti-videogame activists can suck it since I tend to like happy games like platformers and cartoony RPGS. If I was desensitized it wasn't from the games.
It isn't too different from killing a hooker or some random passerby in the latest bloody GTA. The fact that a videogame could get a different response from a change in context is pretty amazing. It might not have worked with me but the fact that it worked with most people is pretty amazing.
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johnld
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 2:32:56 AM
LegendaryWolfeh
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 10:47:31 PM
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"you can't hide behind the "realistic" comment because there isn't an undercover agent from any government that would just start slaughtering innocents so as not to blow his cover. Yeah, I think not."
In complete honestly, I'm about 100% sure, the military could indeed find someone or already have people that have absolutely no problem killing innocent civilians, there are people in this world who really just don't care, though I don't believe I'm that desensitized.
Also I don't think irrelevant at all, I still stand behind the fact that if this scene didn't happen then the main plot of the story would just be taken away. Unless you mean actually playing the part was irrelevant, not just having it in but as a cutscene. And then again let's also no forget you CAN just skip the part and never play it or view it, though of course people would probably look anywayz.
mackid1993
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 10:49:29 PM
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TGG
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 10:57:07 PM
mackid1993
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 11:50:29 PM
TGG
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 12:21:52 AM
jaybiv
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 10:55:18 PM
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With that said, am I sick, murderous, psychopath because I mowed down a bunch of people made of binary code and pixels? If so, then I've been killing people since the Atari 2600 playing the tank game. Would it made you feel different if it were a bunch of funny-looking aliens in a space-themed game?
I guess I have a problem when people project their morals and values on the actions of others. And this game has brought out a lot of comments to me from people whose lives aren't any more pure than mine nor the hundreds of thousands of sane MW2 gamers who realize that they are "killing" pixels.
It was a cool level as far as I'm concerned, AND I don't EVER expect to have the want to try the same in real life.
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johnld
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 2:37:50 AM
NiteKrawler
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 1:14:41 AM
BTNwarrior
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 10:59:10 PM
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johnld
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 2:39:07 AM
___________
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 11:01:54 PM
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you dont want to hear some of the sh*t i had to put up with while playing the mag beta.
thats why every single time i go online the very first thing i do is mute everyone.
99% of people online either are 10 year old immature brats.
or di** heads with their sh*tty leb music turned up to 11.
part of the reason i stopped playing the mag beta, and why i wont be buying it on release.
johnld
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 2:41:39 AM
I blame this behavior on the ps3 price drop. Before that, i barely witnessed any of this stupidity online on killzone 2, MGS4, and even COD4
___________
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 7:02:08 AM
Dancemachine55
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 5:20:29 AM
I guess I was just blinded by the shock of the airport scene to realise that this scene was actually doing something different for the first time. Giving you a real emotional choice as it was happening, no pause, no warning, just stand there, see it and take action, whatever that action is.
SnipeySnake
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 11:11:26 PM
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Dang i saw a couple people crawling for survival and just end up getting shot.
frylock25
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 11:22:10 PM
Alienange
Sunday, November 22, 2009 @ 11:29:13 PM
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just2skillf00l
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 12:18:08 AM
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When we forget this is just pretend as World so simply yet elegantly put, we question a games' most simple yet important state; the imagination part. When imagination starts to merge in our minds with reality, we start to doubt our own morals and mental state. We start to feel evil in reality for advancing toward the "dark side" in a virtual world.
But Ben raises a good argument and question, should we feel something during that airport event? That is a good question. I believe it depends on the person. Some people go through games with no understanding and without care. They play, simply, to play and have fun. Whereas others like Ben and myself who carefully approach a story and wonder at the scenes and the complexities of each situation the game unfolds to us. This type of situation affects us "conscious gamers".
So this brings forth yet another question, because everyone plays games for different reasons, are we really able to say that the "unconscious gamer" needs help because they play unaware of the events occurring during their virtual experience?
jaybiv
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 11:43:40 AM
In several blockbuster action movies of recent memory, terrorists have been blowing up and slaughtering civilians left and right. I don't hear all the commotion with that. So what's the difference?
Having the discussion is cool, up until both sides start to use their moral systems to label the other side.
WolfCrimson
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 12:24:16 AM
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Oh, and something really cool to do to deal with those annoying idiots online: (in FPS games that allows damage from friendly fire)
- Annoying Brat (AB) is being annoying, swearing for every step he takes in the game.
- You, the Smart Person (SP), tell AB that he's a really good FPSer, and wish to go on killing the enemy together.
- Let AB walk infront of you a few paces, so that you're behind him, and he can't see you.
- When the enemy shows up on the horizon ( or if they're kinda close, but not too close), shoot AB in the head.
- Mute AB.
Deleted User
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 12:35:33 AM
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But pick up groups you get alot of jerks who call you a dumbA or gay monkey's arse and while I admit that is bad, JOIN THE ARMY and see what they call you. HA!
GUYS! GET IN THE BATTLEFIELD 2 BAD COMPANY BETA! It is SOOO much fun! And it is FREE!
MW2 is more of a single player game. BF BC 2 is a totally group thing. Both games are great!
End of Line.
johnld
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 2:45:55 AM
LittleBigMidget
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 1:08:38 AM
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just2skillf00l
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 1:14:38 AM
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artson1966
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 4:36:10 AM
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Dancemachine55
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 5:30:34 AM
But since I game alone or with friends in the living room, I hardly go online at all, I just see no need for it personally. Like Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2, if the single player is very good, I stick to that. If there's a split screen or local multiplayer option, I go with that too.
Dancemachine55
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 5:17:38 AM
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After reading many of these responses, I agree with Hezzron73. A game finally allows the player to make an emotional choice and really makes a "mature" move for a mature audience.
Great point. That is just a great point.
And who knows what messed up decisions we'll have to make in Heavy Rain based on emotional response? I'm still getting it, and I'm very much looking forward to playing it.
maxpontiac
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 8:07:33 AM
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Hawkeye
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 9:50:02 AM
DGo8
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 8:22:41 AM
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JBLAZE
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 8:29:28 AM
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BikerSaint
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 @ 3:39:44 PM
OptimusPryme
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 8:35:22 AM
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The airport scene is getting WAAAAY too much hype. You have the option to skip it at the beginning of the game and (I believe) you can opt to skip it at any point from the pause screen.
JPBooch
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 8:48:24 AM
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Infamous: you can kill innocents at will and suck the life out of people too.
GTA franchise: do I even have to go there.
If you were appalled to the level, you should be. That was the whole point of it. If you are too squimish to witness something like that, there are warnings so you don't have to play through it.
Blink182Fan99
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 10:38:49 AM
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Blink182Fan99
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 10:39:10 AM
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rogers71
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 11:05:43 AM
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Clamedeus
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 11:54:36 AM
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Nowadays it doesn't matter what the rating is of the game kid's parents will still get it for them no matter what.
But what i do is play with people who i know online, rarely i will play with other people i don't know. But i find it more fun with people who i know, but for me it depends on the person who i play with, if the person is very funny and has a good personality and can have a good time I'll stay online.
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If anyone wants to play MW2 add my PSN ID: Zoryu_of_Setsuna (If you add me just say you're from PSXE.)
Random_Steve
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 12:45:29 PM
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dachemists
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 2:06:44 PM
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sorry to say it but its the hard reality of life, people dont have the balls to say it to real person, so they'll say it online, its easy to call someone a "N-#)" or whatever
i can take the trash talk and all that but the racism, and sexism or whatever, is just stupid
Deleted User
Monday, November 23, 2009 @ 3:05:16 PM
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brighat1971
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 @ 2:15:48 PM
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Sadly, on the 360, everybody has a headset and many of them are quite unsavory. I ran into some strange people online often. Kids, people who were high on something, people who played lame rap music instead of talking and people with potty mouths. The cool ones were not the norm but the exception.
I don't like talking anyway. If the game goes an hour, you might have to start talking about your private life to these strangers.
As for MW2, the terrorist scene sadly does happen in the real world. Infinity Ward decided not to sanitize the situation in this case. As disturbing as the scene is, it's realistic in this case. I applaud them for showing the true horrors of war to people, to show how senseless it can be. Maybe now people realize why I'm so anti-war. War is good for nothing at all, as Edwin Starr would say.
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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 @ 2:15:53 PM
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Maybe you misunderstood me or I failed to thoroughly explain my position. These scenes do affect some people like myself; however, in the end I know that what takes place in a virtual world doesn't affect reality. I think you missed that part. I'm just saying that some people play games and then other people play games but also analyze and examine a games contents and the many different situations which occur in a game and question why they were inputted. There is bound to be controversy over scenes like these with the attacks on our home-soil. I know it is just a game and does not display our reality but it can spark a conversation like this one...hehe. Don't get me wrong though, I don't mind the scene. It's just a game.
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