PSXE Poll Update: Give Devs Their Artistic Freedom

Even if it's only fiction, gunning down innocents as a terrorist will always be controversial and we wanted to tap the pulse of our readers concerning this issue.

Not surprisingly (and I only say that because we gamers are often quick to defend our frequently trod-upon hobby), the majority of you believe the terrorist scene in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 was little more than Infinity Ward's decision as a game designer, and people shouldn't get bent out of shape. After all, as soon as you begin to entertain thoughts of significant censorship in any entertainment medium, both the artists and consumers begin to get very indignant. And perhaps rightfully so. I will maintain that such a scene was completely unnecessary, in that it didn't do anything for the story and I am of the belief that we can indeed go too far. It's always easy to hide behind the guise of "art" while producing some truly horrific things, and contrary to the popular belief, I will never say that everything is "okay." In this particular case, I don't see the value in it and that's that.

But putting the controversial aside for a minute, we'd like to turn to a happier subject: next to Uncharted 2, what do you think is the best PS3 game of 2009? We're eliminating Naughty Dog's title for two reasons: 1. it should be obvious, shouldn't it? 2. we'd love to give other titles the chance to shine a little; so many are falling under the shadow of Uncharted 2 in the PS3 camp. And while that makes perfect sense - the game is the best of the best - we're tryin' to be fair to other developers, here. So, what is it?

11/29/2009 10:04:51 PM Ben Dutka

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mackid1993
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 10:25:01 PM
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Ben, I'm curious to know If you have played MW2? Because I have many times and the level "No Russian" sets the stage for a full scale invasion of the United States and the 2 levels in Rio, which leads to Price being rescued and pretty much keeps the story rolling. If anything that one level is the main turning point in the story. Basically, knowing full well that you are a CIA agent Makarov uses the presence of your body to start a war between the US and Russia. He makes it look like the attack was perpetrated the the Americans. Shells found at the scene are linked to an arms dealer in Rio (they found fingerprints) which sets into motion another part of the story.

9 up, 2 down

Buckeyestar
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 10:35:09 PM

Could have achieved the same result with a simple assault against the security forces without a massacre of dozens of unarmed innocent civilians. Wholly unnecessary and it went too far. It troubles me that so many feel it' no big deal. When I told someone at work about it prior to launch, his immediate reaction was "cool". Just shows to me how bloodthirsty people really are.

5 up, 7 down

mackid1993
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 10:41:05 PM

Or, that it's just a game and they aren't real people with hopes and dreams, just pixels. Though I'm not going to try to convince you any further. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion.

13 up, 2 down

NoSmokingBandit
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 11:17:45 PM

There are much worse things in movies and even books and people pay no mind to it. I dont get all pumped up about the scene, but i also dont get all bent out of shape over it. The scene exists, skip it or dont, no big deal.

10 up, 2 down

___________
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 11:24:24 PM

bloodthirsty?
its a video game for peeks sake!
i dont see the problem, i dont see people running around shooting up schools after this ;)
i dont get the mentality of people these days.
its ok for a movie to show what ever it wants nothing is taking it to far.
take 1 quarter of that and put it in a game and the ultra conservatives will be b*tching about it for the next 6 months.

9 up, 3 down

Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 12:37:50 AM

I saw and played that scene and the one after it. I know it's not necessary; if you wanted to use that scene, it could've been non-interactive.

Doing it wasn't called for, IMO.

6 up, 9 down

Wage SLAVES
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 1:12:49 AM

You didn't have to kill anyone. And it had a huge role in the story because that is the twist that first hints at Shepherd's involvement. The twist itself as Mackid said was the reason that Russia invades America...

I got a little queazy when I played through it. To see it and the reactions in people's faces were emotionally challenging. You felt all sorts of guilty just for seeing it. So it is understandable for objecting to it but in reality to take it out or just say that it happened would take away from the enormity of the repercussions.

Last edited by Wage SLAVES on 11/30/2009 1:17:35 AM

7 up, 3 down

Qubex
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 3:18:36 AM

It's a game man! Though the weak minded and disturbed could be influenced somewhat...

Q!

"i am home"

3 up, 3 down

mackid1993
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 6:18:59 AM

Ben, I hate to be rude as I really respect your work and you as a journalist but you haven't played the game completely and you haven't seen first hand how it has influenced the story. As someone with the Platinum trophy, I have played it many times (and it's predecessor even more) and can say that that one scene sets 2 shorelines in motion.

8 up, 0 down

Hezzron
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 10:45:35 AM

I'm getting tired of "FPS/multi-plat/Activision /whatever's popular" haters whining about MW2. It's an epic game. Get over it. You sound ridiculously out of touch now.

6 up, 2 down

Godslim
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 11:37:47 AM

as many have said its just a game so i really couldnt care less about doing it.....it not like im doing it for real and there are many worse things in movies etc that u see... i felt it was added to set the scene on how brutal things like this can be and i think iw did something different like this to drive the story and bold movie but also as said above i believe it helped drive the story

3 up, 0 down

I_defenestrate
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 1:32:55 PM

I feel that part of the game was made to evoke emotion from the player. Much like David Cage has said he's trying to do with Heavy Rain. You as the player get to feel what the protagonist is feeling as he does what he has to do to fit in with Makarov. It evokes emotion on the players part and I think it was a good artistic decision in that respect. It's rare that a game makes me feel what exactly a character may be going through and MW2 did that for me on more than one stage. I have a good feeling David Cage and the rest of Quantic will do it better, mind you, but IW did a good job as far as I'm concerned.

5 up, 0 down

TGG
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 6:55:57 PM

Read A Clockwork Orange, now that is violent.

1 up, 0 down

WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 10:41:50 PM
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Well like Mackid says, its the pivotal reason for the whole game to unfold. Are you against it just being interactive or think it should have been just sort of stated in a backstory or what?

And for second best game is has to be inFamous, it was as addicting as crack, looked fantastic, and redefined the superhero genre.

5 up, 1 down

mackid1993
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 11:14:58 PM

Video games are becoming more and more like a serious art form. I highly doubt people would be so appalled if this were in a film.

7 up, 1 down

WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 11:20:16 PM

if this were the plot of a film, nobody would have batted an eyelash.

9 up, 0 down

www
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 9:06:11 AM

I played that scene didn't really bother me much. Hell, I can't understand how BAD drivers in GTAIV are given a free pass when they basically mow down thousands of innocents from Broker to Alderney! I can admit that sh*t disturbs me more than this MW2 scene.

3 up, 0 down

Hezzron
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 11:03:33 AM

@WorldEndsWithMe - It was the plot of a little movie called Die Hard 2 waaay back in 1990. Watch it and count how many planes are blown up by terrorists. I believe at the time, it was the movie with the highest body count too. People were lining up around city blocks to get in and see it.

Now the Administrator of this site who champions gaming wants us to feel sheepish about MW2?!

Last edited by Hezzron on 11/30/2009 11:04:31 AM

2 up, 1 down

Alienange
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 1:27:46 PM

I believe innocents get killed by the player character in inFamous as well.

2 up, 0 down

WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 1:36:13 PM

Love Die Hard :)

2 up, 0 down

geovanwitdakick
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 10:57:35 PM
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I say Killzone 2. It was graphically superior to every console game out at the time (perhaps only bested by MGS4), & it's metacritic average is a 91. Way to set the tone for a great 2009 for the PS3.

2 up, 0 down

NoSmokingBandit
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 11:19:02 PM

I voted KZ2 just because i played it more than any other game this year. I think i'll be putting a lot of time into R&C, but KZ2 was just perfect everywhere and i would feel bad voting for R&C because im a huge Insomniac fanboy, lol.

1 up, 0 down

Qubex
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 3:19:34 AM

Yes, Killzone2 all the way... this is undisputed.... G did a superb job... the engine is superb and the graphics and atmosphere are superlative!

Q!

"i am home"

1 up, 1 down

Fane1024
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 6:00:18 PM

Killzone 2, like most games/movies released early in the year, will unfortunately be snubbed when GOTY awards are granted.

For that reason alone, I voted for it, though I bet I would personally enjoy inFAMOUS, Batman, and ACII more (not played any of them YET).

Great list of games, though. The only ones I don't/won't own will be COD and SFIV and maybe Demon's Souls. And there are probably a dozen others that could be on the list (DA:O, for one).

Last edited by Fane1024 on 11/30/2009 6:05:32 PM

0 up, 0 down

chucknasty
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 11:06:17 PM
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FPSs are pants, the end.

1 up, 7 down

Qubex
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 3:20:10 AM

That's nasty chuck...but each to his own!

Q!

"i am home"

1 up, 0 down

Aftab
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 @ 8:43:14 AM

I think he means everyone buys them.

0 up, 0 down

eLLeJuss
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 11:08:08 PM
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Meh right now im playing ac2 and killzone 2 . I think ac is better cause theres more to do compared to killzone. killzone has better graphics and online play but im an rpg kind of guy. Sure killzone 2 got a nice campaign mode too but it doesn't beat ac2's story mode. Ac2 is epic :D

0 up, 1 down

Scarecrow
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 11:15:17 PM
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Demon's Souls............

As much as I love Infamous and Killzone 2, Demon's Souls is SNES in next-gen form

It takes gameplay and design to a WHOLE NEW LEVEL!

But right after this Infamous is right there with Demon's Souls

Street Fighter IV is in a different category, fighters don't get much love. But there's one game which literally revived the fighting genre again. Hands down the game I've played the most this year, that a lone says a lot.

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It just feels so wrong to pick one...
Ratchet and Clank is a cartoony masterpiece too and Killzone 2 has pushed the bar in terms of what a REAL FPS storyline should be like. And the graphics, forget it!

Last edited by Scarecrow on 11/29/2009 11:17:20 PM

5 up, 3 down

Oxvial
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 12:32:49 AM

Snes my fav Nintendo console..yeah I can see why you say that. Demons Souls reminds me a little about one game I enyojed called Brain Lord.

2 up, 1 down

BigBoss4ever
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 5:13:31 AM

@ Scarecrwo, your thoughts are just the same, two thumbs way up ;D

Last edited by BigBoss4ever on 11/30/2009 5:13:51 AM

2 up, 1 down

Oxvial
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 7:58:04 AM

what with the thumbs down? they must be from little babes that got owned by Tower Knight.

2 up, 1 down

maxpontiac
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 10:26:41 AM

All this praise of Demon Souls has me wanting to pick this game up after I complete Dragon Age..

3 up, 1 down

I_defenestrate
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 1:35:32 PM

If Tower Knight owned them, I'd like to see them against Flamelurker..

1 up, 0 down

___________
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 11:21:03 PM
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i wouldent say unnecessary it showed you to what extent the "enemy" was willing to go to achieve the desired results.
and also showed what extent the US army is willing to go to so they can achieve their goal.

as for GOTY 09 thats easy.
multiplatform GOTY goes to assassins creed 2.
360 GOTY goes to assassins creed 2.
PS3 GOTY goes to infamous.
love that game so much, never have i found myself in the position of 6 months after release still praising it and wanting to play it.
normally i finish a game and dont touch it ever again, and think back meh it was ok.
but infamous has turned that on its head, about bloody time.

2 up, 1 down

Jalex
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 11:25:22 PM
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It's probably unfair, because it's at the forefront of my mind and I've yet to play anything else, but 'Assassin's Creed II' takes the top spot for me. Even with 'Among Thieves' in the mix.
Longevity is yet to be seen, but it's definitely the most exhilirating experience I've had with any campaign this year.

1 up, 1 down

Gordo
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 11:29:07 PM
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I'm torn between Killzone2 and Assassins Creed 2 for second best game of the year.

Spent 20 hours on Killzone 2 and getting close to that on Assassins Creed 2 but only half way through the main missions.

I loved Modern Warfare 2 as well and thought it was like a blockbuster game version of 24. Short, good looking, and intense (not unlike Keifer Sutherland himself?).
Always a place for popcorn in my opinion.

I'm playing Killzone 2 again just as a refresher and it's definately a lot weightier, darker, meatier graphics and more strategic than MW2.
The sci-fi story was good, however I have also enjoyed running around the White House shooting everything up in MW2.

Thats it, mind made up, Assassins Creed for me as the 2nd best game of the year.
Using those duel hidden blades on a couple of guards then finishing the others off with a giant mallet is priceless!

1 up, 0 down

Wage SLAVES
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 12:44:31 AM
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Im glad the majority don't find it ban worthy. To be honest I have no problem with difference of opinion as long as we can maintain an opinion itself. Censorship is a sin in my eyes.

9 up, 0 down

Charger7302
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 1:32:55 AM
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Personally I think killzone 2 is better than uncharted 2. I'm wrapping up U2 and while it may be a "critically better" game I still had more fun with killzone 2. And that's what makes game of the year in MY book.

BRING ON KILLZONE 3!!!

4 up, 3 down

Qubex
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 3:21:09 AM

I am with you Charger, just cannot wait for that Killzone 3 beast to roll out...

Q!

"i am home"

3 up, 0 down

Beamboom
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 3:27:06 AM

Personally I think there are *several* games being better than Uncharted 2. I understand your reasoning for leaving U2 out Ben, and the intent is indeed noble and fair, but your unreserved praise for that game may not be the de facto opinion...

Last edited by Beamboom on 11/30/2009 3:30:01 AM

2 up, 1 down

Banky A
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 3:30:35 AM

Yeah it's still opinion but c'mon.. 100+ reviews and lowest score is 90/100?

;)

5 up, 0 down

HeXeN
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 7:46:28 AM

@Beamboom

It seems like there's hundreds of reviewers that feel the same about U2.I think you should just let it go already.Not everyone is going to like every big game that comes out; for example me detesting all the early Mario games yet I know that they are larger than life it self.

1 up, 0 down

Beamboom
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 8:01:53 AM

Oh, it's a good game, no doubt about that. Don't get me wrong. And for all I know maybe U2 would have been by far the most voted on. It may very well be. It justr felt kinda wrong for me, as a user, to be told "we know what your number 1 is. Now wote for number two".

But about the average high score, it reminds me of GTA IV. In my opinion it's the by far weakest GTA since GTA III, I feel no empathy for any of the characters including Nico, gone are all the jokes, crazyness and fun. GTAIV in my opinion, is downright *boring*. And as I have understood, I am not alone in this opinion.

Still, what game is rated the best PS3 game EVER in the history of PS3? Yup, that's GTA IV, baby. Shining at the top with a 97.31 *average* score based on SIXTY reviews.

So what I'm trying to say is, the reviewers are not *always* right. They tend to have a very technical approach when reviewing a game. And technically, GTA IV sure is impressive. Just as U2 is impressive visually.

Last edited by Beamboom on 11/30/2009 8:05:41 AM

3 up, 1 down

www
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 9:08:07 AM

Yea Banky A, and U2 stand with a 97.

2 up, 0 down

Alienange
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 1:31:09 PM

Beamboom has just spoken my mind. However, you will never meet a reviewer who will agree with you.

2 up, 0 down

Banky A
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 3:29:32 AM
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Hard choices!
Killzone 2 coz' I loves it. But I wished I played the other greats.

1 up, 0 down

wakkaoaka
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 3:39:30 AM
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Innocent people are killed in real life everyday. If games aren't allowed to have that kind of conduct then why is that sort of conduct condoned in real life? You may say yeah innocent people get killed in wars by accident, but the fact of the matter is that if there were no wars, then less innocent people would die. War is horrible and gruesome, just like killing a whole bunch of innocent hostages. It is just a game, if you dont like what is in the content, then dont play it.

1 up, 1 down

BikerSaint
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 3:45:43 AM
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Killzone 2

1 up, 1 down

BigBoss4ever
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 4:52:23 AM
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To me, the logic to pick Game of the Year or Best Game is quite simple.

1. FPS or shooters in general can never be GOTY or conisdered best games simply due to their "shooting nature" regardless the graphical power, that said, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, and Modern Warfare 2 are out of the picture ( MGS series are the only shooting game I accept, and it wins not because it shoots, but because its greatest story ever told and the strong and deep emotional appeal)

2. Kiddish or Cartoonish look games, Fighters and Sports games never win GOTY or the best game -- for Kiddish and Cartoonish games simply lack matureness and the overall cool feeling; fighters and sports games lack the uniqueness and are usually repetitive, so that cuts Crack In Time, SF4 and MLB 09.

3, PSN games are easily out of the question simply because its smaller scale, that cuts Flower quickly.

The Real Contenders here are Batman, inFamous, AC2 and Demon's Souls. For Batman, while it is great, it is still a hero based game and the character is not new; for AC2, due to the boring repetitiveness of AC1, the fear is still lingering around, altho I know it improved significantly; so only two left: InFamous and Demon's Souls.

Now this is a tough decision, I will say they are two best games for 2009 in Action and RPG genre respectively. however, my love of RPG and the originality and the unique feeling delivered by DS let me unavoidably pick Demon's Souls as the best game for PS3 in 2009, and on top of that, it should stand very proudly as one of the very best for this generation ever.

p.s. we will get many shooters, many sports games, many fighters, many kiddish games, many sequels, but we will only have one unique, one of a kind Demon's Souls, nothing plays like it.

Last edited by BigBoss4ever on 11/30/2009 5:07:18 AM

2 up, 4 down

www
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 9:16:15 AM
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Well like Ben, my big bro said the same when he saw that MW2 scene, he was like it wasn't really necessary, with me I dunno if it was needed or not but all the same we keep killing each other virtually in Team Deathmatch.

Uncharted 2 is my GOTY for sure. Next to that is Modern Warfare 2 no doubt.

Killzone 2 was cool but MW2 is cooler. Infamous was highly fun but really annoying, getting shot everywhere felt like the Ballas in San Andreas/The Haitans in Vice City where all over the map, that wasn't okay.

1 up, 1 down

Mr Bitey
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 9:57:05 AM
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I'm not a huge fan of the Medal of Honor series anyway. I'd have to actually see the scene before I could pass judgment on it.

btw.. Assassins Creed FTW!

0 up, 3 down

Alienange
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 1:35:55 PM

Call of Duty my friend... Call of Duty.

2 up, 0 down

maxpontiac
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 10:16:03 AM
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Outside of Uncharted 2...

It has to be Killzone 2. No game besides Uncharted 2 in 2009 brought an entire package together of graphics, physics, voice acting, multiplayer, and above all, redemption to the series.

Now while I am currently addicted to MW2, Killzone 2 makes MW2 look inferior from a visual standpoint. What helps MW2 is the weapon progression system. If Killzone 2 had that, it would be close to perfect in my opinon.

I won't vote for a multiplatform title for the PS3 runner up to game of the year, for obvious reasons.

With the "No Russian" level in MW2, an acceptable level when one considers how much virtual mass killing they have done personally. I saw no civilian killing difference from the likes of inFamous. And when it came to fighting the security forces at the airport, what's the difference in killing Russian security as opposed to Nazi soldiers?

In a game, nothing.

Anyways, I actually found the Russian armour running around in suburban America and in DC a more emotional experience? Why? Something about seeing an invading force in my country intensified the experience...

Last edited by maxpontiac on 11/30/2009 10:16:45 AM

3 up, 0 down

MadKatBebop
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 10:31:26 AM
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I voted for Killzone 2, but I don't think U2 is better then KZ2....I think their equally amazing. It would hurt me to choose which one is #1. So for me U2 & KZ2 are sharing the #1 spot!

2 up, 1 down

NeoHumpty
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 11:33:37 AM
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I'm waiting to play AC2 once I finish getting the DA:O trophies. I'm betting it would get my vote for second.
As for violence in games, they're just pixels. No matter how realistic the graphics are it is a pixel bullet going into a body made of pixels. If I'm playing a game and satan himself approaches my character and makes me give an abortion to the virgin Mary, it is just a game. Why? Because they're just pixels.

5 up, 1 down

Alienange
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 1:37:56 PM

hahahaaaa

0 up, 0 down

Random_Steve
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 11:38:48 AM
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based purely on which game i've spent most time on, it has to be inFamous. in terms of the overall game, it wouldnt come first, but its the first game i think i've ever had in which I instantaneously replayed having finished it once

1 up, 0 down

NeoHumpty
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 11:41:05 AM
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I'm waiting to play AC2 once I finish getting the DA:O trophies. I'm betting it would get my vote for second.
As for violence in games, they're just pixels. No matter how realistic the graphics are it is a pixel bullet going into a body made of pixels. If I'm playing a game and satan himself approaches my character and makes me give an abortion to the virgin Mary, I'll do it and proudly show off my coat-hanger trophy. Why? Because they're just pixels.

0 up, 0 down

NeoHumpty
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 11:43:31 AM

Sorry about the double post. Got an error when I tried to delete it because I didn't finish what I was saying.

0 up, 0 down

JPBooch
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 1:24:42 PM
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As per the poll, the right choice won.

As for the new poll, it's a nice list. Since I've platinumed both the Asian and NA versions of Demon's Souls, I think I have no choice but to pick it, lol.

Best gaming experience of the year: Being invaded by a black phantom. frikkin EPIC.

1 up, 0 down

bigrailer19
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 1:26:55 PM
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honestly i gotta say Dragon Age: Origins is next best after Uncharted 2 in '09. I loved KZ2 and MW2 is great, and I'm even liking AC2 but Dragon Age is just a great game!

2 up, 0 down

I_defenestrate
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 1:37:59 PM

Yeah! I can't believe Dragon Age isn't a choice. That would be my pick hands down. I've played that more than Uncharted and Demon's Soul's combined. Though, Uncharted is still my #1 for sure. Guess I'll go with Demon's Souls then.

1 up, 0 down

maxpontiac
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 2:57:58 PM

Excellent choice, but what hurts that game is the framerate and graphics.

Dragon Age will get 100 hours out of me easily, but man, if it only looked better..

2 up, 0 down

Fane1024
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 6:13:21 PM

One thing they never do on the PSXExtreme polls that they should do is include a "none-of-the-above" option. No poll is complete without it.

1 up, 0 down

Alienange
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 1:54:33 PM
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Suffice to say I don't agree with your point of view on MW2.

As for game of the year. I say Batman. A game that has done the impossible. Other than that you've got a bunch of sequels (aka not original ideas) and a niche RPG that you either really love or really hate. Putting Flower on there is just nuts imo, so Batman gets my vote for best good time of 2009.

Oh, and putting Flower instead of Dragon Age is a huge mistake. No, it's ludicrous is what it is.

3 up, 1 down

Bugzbunny109
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 3:28:32 PM
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As an artist, I have to disagree with you Ben. The whole concept of art is for the artist to show his or her viewers what they believe and what they see fit to be included in their artwork. If Infinity Ward saw fit to include the scene, then it's their artistic decision. That is the whole point of art! If Infinity Ward removed the scene, or decided not to add the scene because they knew that it would be considered morally wrong or "gone too far" by their viewers then we would be depriving them of their rights as artists, and they might as well have not created the game in the first place. Just because you see it as pointless doesn't mean that it is pointless because the artist could have their own aesthetics in the creation of the game that you do not see. In summary, what I am saying is messages are conveyed in artwork. The artists sends them out and the viewers recieve them, but not all of the messages sent out by the artist are recieved by the viewer. You should be so quick to dismiss the scene...

2 up, 0 down

Bugzbunny109
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 5:23:30 PM

Lol I meant you should not be quick the dismiss things :)

0 up, 0 down

Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 7:01:02 PM

As the viewer, I reserve the right to dismiss it if I find it tasteless and devoid of any real value.

The artist can do what he wants. He's not always in the right just because he has the freedom to depict what he wants.

1 up, 3 down

tlpn99
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 4:08:36 PM
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That scene can be skipped though in MW2. If it did not have the option to skip it do you think it would have gotten more of a backlash or less or pretty much about the same ? Also you dont have to even take part as the other guys shoot most of the people in the airport until you come across the guards.

What about the drug dealing in the GTA games and the violence, car jacking etc mugging people the list is endless ? That is just as bad but there is no option in those games to skip past the mission.

For me GOTY is Infamous. :)

Last edited by tlpn99 on 11/30/2009 4:12:39 PM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 6:59:59 PM

Not a good comparison. The viewpoint and how those things are presented is entirely different; it's always slightly cartoony in GTA while the MW2 scene is directly in your face and looks far more realistic. Furthermore, gunning down innocents who have no means of protecting themselves is NEVER a part of GTA. I've played them all, and as far as I can remember, that was never a goal of any mission.

Innocents can get in the way, of course, but nothing like this cold-blooded travesty. It's a completely different thing, and I would hope people could tell the difference.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 8:31:27 PM

Gunning down innocents is the whole point of GTA

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Banky A
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 11:57:39 PM

Ben's right. You almost never get a story mission to just kill random civilians, it's always personal or business. Like it's business in COD: MW2 which is more psychological for some reason o_O

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 @ 7:07:35 PM

i know no one will read this considering its 3 days late but...

first off with out that scene the story has no value. Thats very much where the stories meat is at.

Second. im pretty sure (fact) at the beginning of the game it asks you if you want to play certain scenes or not!

third. GTA is a fine comparison, although the the objective was more in your face its taken way more seriously which puts emphasis on it. In fact we should be praising this more than GTA becase we actually get pleasure running down innocent civilians in GTA. i'm juat saying, not literally , just that in GTA killing innocents isnt a bad thing but apparently in MW2 it is. HOW SICK IS THAT! You can choose not to shoot the civilians in GTA true but you dont have to fire your weapon in MW2 either, you dont even have to view the scene i believe. Point is The scene in MW2 left me feeling bad, (even though i didnt shoot my gun once at the civilians) it left me with an actual feeling.

It was a good scene, im not saying its right or wrong but it made the sotry, and it also left an impression. Thats what IW was trying to do. I dont care who thinks its wrong or right it left an impression! Thats the point of art to me, coming from someone who is not an artist of course.

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 12/2/2009 7:12:18 PM

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NonProphet
Monday, November 30, 2009 @ 8:17:43 PM
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While I disagree with Ben that the Airport stage was irrelevant to the story of MW2, I do wonder whether the conception of the level was organic and part of the natural development of the story or if the story was built around that level and its function as a plot point is really just an excuse to put a controversial, provocative and ultra-violent scenario in a game.

I think a lot of gamers enjoy doing violent and demented sh** in video games but most of us want there to be some reason that demands the madness and carnage we unleash. Its in the developers best interest to tell good stories, and that's an area which has improved quite a bit over the past decade, and games with good stories do better their narrative-deficient counterparts. So developers that rely on shock value to drive sales do so at their own peril.

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