NPD: PS3 Boasts 88% Growth, Still Edged Out By 360

The November NPD results are in, and in terms of year-over-year numbers, the PlayStation 3 is king of the hill.

However, the PS3 still needs to play catch-up in the overall hardware sales category, as the Wii managed to sell a whopping 1,260,000 units in the month of November, and the Xbox 360 enjoyed a much stronger showing than analysts expected, coming in at 819,500. In comparison, there were 710,400 PS3s sold last month, which is certainly competitive but we propose the idea that the majority of the Modern Warfare 2 insanity fell in the 360's camp. Furthermore, the year-over-year numbers are most telling in this particular situation:

Wii: 2,040,000 sold in November 2008, 1,260,000 sold in November 2009, which equals a 38.24% decline.

Xbox 360: 836,000 sold in November 2008, 819,500 sold in November 2009, which equals a 1.97% decline.

PlayStation 3: 378,000 sold in November 2008, 710,400 sold in November 2009, which equals a 87.94% increase.

Obviously, this is something that's going to catch the eye of Sony, and without any further ado, we give you the official statement on the PS3's performance in November by SCEA President and CEO, Jack Tretton:

"In November, PS3 was the only hardware console to see any growth when compared to last November, experiencing an 88% lift and a 122% increase from the previous month. Metacritic also unveiled this week its 2009 Game Platform Power Rankings, in which PS3 titles topped the charts on overall game quality, tallying up five of the top ten best reviewed games in 2009 and with UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves taking best reviewed game of the year. The sheer appetite and interest in the PS3 this holiday has been overwhelming and is exceeding our expectations. So much so, some retailers are expected to experience tight supply this December. There's no question the holidays are looking very bright for PlayStation and we’re confident that the new year is on pace for the same with hugely anticipated titles hitting the platform, such as MAG, God of War III, BioShock 2, and Final Fantasy XIII."

Overall, sales for the industry were down only 7.6% from November 2008 (coming in at $2.69 billion), with software down only 3.1%. Modern Warfare 2 enjoyed the staggering success we all expected; over 6 million copies were sold last month, which is downright insane. As one final note from EEDAR's analysis, the PS3 "posted the highest weekly sales rate in the console's history for any month," which is - of course - another good sign. As for the handhelds, the PSP floundered, falling over 30% in the year-over-year comparison, while the DS once again destroyed the competition with 1,700,000 units sold (an 8.28% YoY increase). But as far as the PS3 is concerned, and we've said this many times before this year...things have definitely changed.

12/10/2009 9:07:38 PM John Shepard

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Nynja
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 9:31:33 PM
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How many of those 360 sales include users who had their consoles banned?

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michiganfan1983
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 9:57:17 PM

My thoughts exactly!!!!!!

But we will never know???

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Nynja
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:00:38 PM

I just find it odd that MS decides to ban over 1 million 360 consoles around the same time frame Sony drops the price.

I know they said it was because of Modern Warfare 2, but they had to know that doing this would sku their console sales numbers upward.

Last edited by Nynja on 12/10/2009 10:00:56 PM

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Victor321
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:03:28 PM

It was actually 600,000, as Microsoft later stated this after numerous articles claimed 1,000,000. They only banned 600,000, yet the sites said 1,000,000 to make it big.

I Lol @ the whole situation, but what I'm telling you is true :)

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Highlander
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:16:39 PM

An extremely valid point. You can hardly crow about your 810,000 sales when you just banned 1,000,000 consoles (They banned consoles, not users. Users are free to go buy another 360 to keep gaming).

Oh, but they will crow....

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Nynja
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:19:42 PM

@Vic

Just did some more research and the only thing I found was stating at the time of writing "already banned 600,000 and up to 1 million".

Though, my statement of "over 1 million" is wrong. Thanks for pointing that out.

Last edited by Nynja on 12/10/2009 10:20:29 PM

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godsman
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:38:59 PM

Yea, this is pathetic. Ban 1 million users. Then give out $100 gift cards for $199 Xbox Arcade. Later then bundle SIX games to Xbox. If I don't know any better, I would've bought one too.

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Victor321
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:39:47 PM

@ Nyna

Don't mention it =)

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Jawknee
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 11:44:01 PM

1million.

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bomba2812
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:14:32 AM

and that's why ps3 only users are smarter 360 only users

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Scarecrow
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:23:13 AM

That was going to be my statement here

The modded 360s

And don't forget all those RROD replacements
It's all a scheme

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Troy Powers
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 8:17:23 AM

Hey...if it works, it's smart business. Not GOOD business, but smart. Honestly, if I sold a product and it had a fan base that rabidly loyal...so loyal that I could intentionally make a million of the units useless knowing that even 50% of the customers would just go out and buy new ones...

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Godslim
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 10:55:58 AM

tbh u could say the same thing about ps3 and ylod which loads of people including myself have had

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Jawknee
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:18:27 PM

The great majority of ylod victims opt for replacement units for $150. Sony doesn't count nor does NDP figures reflect those replacement numbers. Banned xbox's from live don't have a cheaper replacement alternative. If your banned and wanna continue to play on live you MUST buy a new xbox.

So no, you can't say it's the same thing.

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Gone
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:11:27 PM
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I think the Xlax 3fixme had high numbers because people were mislead to think that Modern Warfare 2 was only on that system. Just look at the Walmart commercial and plus they had a Modern Warfare 2 bundle made just for them.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:37:28 PM

Best Buy pretended 360 only had it too.

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Highlander
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:14:56 PM
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I think your comments about the MW2 effect are spot on, what with Walmart, Activision and Microsoft teaming up to advertise MW2 as if it were an Xbox360 exclusive game...Still there is a lot of holiday to come, and OSny is still hammering away, that Best Buy campaign is in full swing now.

NPD doesn't include all sales in NA, so it's an indicator, but I'd wait for the end of year sales numbers from Sony, MS and Nintendo. VGCharts isn't exactly the most reliable provider of data, but their numbers include other markets than just NA.

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Nynja
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:21:02 PM

Oh yes, forgot about this too.

Still good to see Sony sales number pick up from the previous months. Makes me wonder, if they had not sold out of their Black Friday bundles within 8 hours, had Sony shipped more what would the numbers be?

Last edited by Nynja on 12/10/2009 10:22:45 PM

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Deleted User
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:20:59 PM
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Both of you make valid comments on why the 360 sold 820,000. Banned consoles needing to be replaced and the belief from some misguided people that MW2 is a 360 exclusive. Of course, people needing to replace their RRoD also comes into play.

Really, Sony is the big winner on the console front for November. They finished 3rd but they had the huge increase while the Wii had the huge decrease. It will be that way going forward with the huge months of February and especially March with 4 big Sony exclusives and the definitive version of FFXIII on the way.

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godsman
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:45:15 PM

You can't really say Xbox owners here are getting replacements for RROD. On the raise of hands, how many people actually bought a second PS3 cause of the price drop and so much value?

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Orvisman
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 9:19:53 AM

True.

I own a 60G launch PS3, an 80G, a Slim, and I just bought a 20G launch Japanese PS3 from this great new import site I found a few months ago. Now I own four PS3s.

I've also bought three other PS3s for my parents, brothers and sister in-laws, and now my niece and nephews; so I'm determined to push Sony past M$ft and Nintendo this gen.

LOL.

For the record, I also own two 360s and a Wii this gen (we won't even discuss previous gens); and I just imported a Japanese 360 and Wii too.

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Jian2069
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:52:02 PM

I have one 2007 80gb ps3 with b/c, and thats it for the gen. I paid $150 to replace it once

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:39:01 PM
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But doesn't MS count units shipped not sold? Either way it isn't a big deal to me, that 88% is frickin wild though.

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Highlander
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:51:26 PM

I think you're right. MS still counts all the units that are stuffed into the channel because thy have shipped. Sony has - after years of criticism - altered it's method to something that more closely matches actual retail sales.

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Nynja
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:55:11 PM

NPD doesn't. They collect sales data from retail outlets.

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HeXeN
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:47:39 PM
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"things have definitely changed"

Apparently not enough.Uncharted 2 sales were none existent and software sales in general were far below the competition(even a certain multiplat title that was advertise as an exclusive).As for the hardware, I'm pretty surprised that the 360 sold more units(Arcade SKU the most likely cause) than the PS3 but as usual the Wii wins.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:19:14 AM

Uncharted 2 sales can hardly be considered "non-existent."

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___________
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 7:47:30 AM

yea but there far from good compare to other titles.
and no where near what they should be.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 10:54:43 PM
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How the heck can the 360 outsell the PS3?

So Uncharted 2 didn't make an impact on hardware sale?

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Qubex
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 11:25:40 PM

My thoughts too... it really shows how Xbots have taken over the world :(

The one thing that is worth being happy about, is that what ever extra wealth Bill Gates makes from this business, eventually it will go to support his philanthropic activities which is for a good cause... and if some of the money comes from misguided xbots, then at least its going to be useful to his charities the world over...

Q!

"i am home"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 11:34:35 PM

With all the problems and bullsh*t payoffs I doubt the Box is turning a profit.

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Qubex
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 11:57:20 PM

Yhea, you are probably right about that World, with so many problems they may not be making any money at all... so no support for the philanthropic organisations then, poor bastards!

They may have made some money on the back of MW2 i guess... but that would be redirected to pay for all the RROD Xbot replacements.

Q!

"i am home"

Last edited by Qubex on 12/10/2009 11:58:25 PM

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newchef
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 2:40:37 PM

@qubex- i doubt they made as much money off of MW2 as u think they did, imagine how much money they wioulg have had to pay walmart and bestbu to advertise it as if it was an exclusive

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Qubex
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 11:27:28 PM
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I stick to my prediction, as mentioned before, overall I expect Sony to have more PS3's out there by July-September 2010 than Xbots. Let us see if it holds true :)

Q!

"i am home"

Last edited by Qubex on 12/10/2009 11:27:59 PM

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HeXeN
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 11:38:26 PM

really!?! Does the PS3 wand have some hidden power that I don't know about yet :)

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___________
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 11:50:44 PM

yup, it vibrates ;)

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Qubex
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 11:51:29 PM

Its fairly obvious if you take note of the trend line... and the software line-up.

The only thing that may stop that from happening in the sudden surge of the cut price arcade version of the Xbot, which is obviously attractive to some... nonetheless, I still feel, in the end the PS3 will over take the Xbox even if we have to wait until 2011 for that to occur, but I think the trend is pointing to continued strong growth for the PS3.

Q!

"i am home"

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questing222
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 2:04:59 AM

"I stick to my prediction...I expect Sony to have more PS3's out there by July-September 2010 than Xbots"

At present most analysts have the xbox 360 over 7 million units ahead.

For your prediction to come true, Sony would need to sell the same amount of consoles that they did this month, every month, for 10 straight months without Microsoft selling one single xbox in the same period.

In other words... its impossible.

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Qubex
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 8:03:36 PM

Questing222, I think if you tally world wide units, the gap would be smaller than 7 million. The whole year PS3 has been gaining slowly across all regions of the world; except for some 360 sale surges in the USA oddly. So I think at the current rate... PS3 could surpass quicker than we anticipate.

Q!

"i am home"

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___________
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 11:49:45 PM
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well thats kinda expected after a $100 price drop, $200 price drop here in AU and a redesigned unit.
wii seriously needs a price drop though, watch ninty drop the price 50 bucks and it will go back to flying off the shelfs like it was last year.
i remember a friend of mines parents were looking at getting him a wii for christmas and luckily they shopped early because it took them 2 months to get their hands on one.
every store was sold out.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:30:34 AM

I might even get a Wii if it cost what it's worth: $20

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___________
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:25:25 AM

200 and i would buy one.
theres a few games i wana play like mad world, the conduit, red steel 2, mario bros, cursed mountain.
especially for the new mario game that just came out.
i remember playing that for hours every day on my old gameboy.
good times.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, December 10, 2009 @ 11:58:32 PM
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The 360 can definitely drop another $100 because there's basically nothing new inside, it's just an updated version of the original Xbox and that's it.

What kind of "Next Gen" console is it beside being capable of handling games with amazing graphics and HDD?
I'd call it the Xbox 180.

Last edited by Snaaaake on 12/10/2009 11:59:42 PM

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Fane1024
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 7:37:30 PM

It really isn't.

Yes, it originally lacked some of the "next-gen" tech built into the PS3 (Bluetooth, HDMI, etc.), but some of those have been added.

The CPU is nearly as powerful as the Cell, the GPU is as good, and the systems have equal RAM, so the processing power of the two is nearly the same. The only real difference is DVD vs. BD and, since data can be easily compressed or placed on multiple disks, that's not much of a difference FUNCTIONALLY.

I think Microsoft is a cancer on the industry, and the 360 is built like crap, but facts are facts.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 12/12/2009 7:38:57 PM

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Charger7302
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:59:33 AM
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Wow, how did that happen. Xbox sure as he'll surprised many with that come-back. Let's see how long it takes for gaming "journalist" to report that the ps3 is "once again slipping" even after it's price cut.

Oh and by the way this is just my belief, but if the 360 beats ps3 in sales next month, it should really be of concern to sony. That price cut should have the ps3 on top for at least a couple more months(more then 2 anyway). Heck I hate that it came to me but after seeing these results and thinking about another victory by xbox next month, the word dreamcast comes to mind.

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Highlander
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 11:25:55 AM

I think you're too pessimistic. One key thing to remember is that for Sony it's not just about NA sales. NPD is a narrow measure of US sales and actually doesn't include all retail sales anyway. However the picture is vastly different if you look world wide, and not just NA.

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furbiesmustdie
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:50:14 AM
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The brilliance of a console should not be measured in sales nor in the quantity of the games but rather the quality. After all I'm sure PS3 and Xbox fanboys alike would agree the nintendo wii is not exactly the greatest console on the market so much so no amount of zelda or mario games can save it.

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pSmingO
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 2:13:32 AM
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impressive, while the others keep going down year on year, ps3 keeps going up, and remember people, those are only usa numbers, ps3 probably won worldwide sales, europe n japan is all sony

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englishgolfer
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 2:49:00 AM

that's always easy to forget. npd figures are for north america only. sony are doing better in the rest of the world.

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jdt1981
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:55:00 AM

Yep, thankfully it appears people outside the US more appreciate a superior console with quality games in all genres, not just FPSs.

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Imagi
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 4:53:42 AM

Yeah, it is the USA consumers that are keeping the 360 numbers riding high, almost everywhere else in the world the difference in numbers between the 360 and PS3 are negligible.

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BigBoss4ever
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:47:47 AM
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next year, ps3 will be on the top and will stay like that ongoing

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Deleted User
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 4:24:27 AM
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Well the crew sure is singing a different tune this month. Virtually no one thought the mighty Slim at $299 could be touched. What's the excuse now? Bannings? lol at the desperation. Year of the P.....I mean Month of the PS3 CONFIRMED!

Xbox 360- 820,000
PS3- 710,000
BOOM!

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tes37
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 6:36:25 AM

Desperation is better defined as trolling a site by HipHopGamer.

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Nynja
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:21:23 AM

Only a kid with no friends and self esteem lower than the deepest abyss would take the time and try to slam an entire community over a corporate second place "victory".

It's okay, we know you desperately want to play our games. We see you on your Xbox sites crying about how God of War and Uncharted 2 should be on 360. Every time I stumble across an Xbox site it's like the first day at daycare with all the crying.

Have you ever thought about saving your lunch money so you could buy a PS3, since mommy is too busy sucking off the mailman to buy you one?

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Deleted User
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 8:41:06 AM

Nynja, but I already own a PS3, actually 2 PS3s(20gb and 60gb).You want to see what really matters look at marketshare. More specifically look at Marketshare percentages gained/lost from last to current generation.

SONY completely dominated with the PS2 last gen. Fast forward a few years and SONY has lost billions and billions of $$$, and has fumbled away an insane amount of marketshare. That is what SONY fanboys don't realize-Even if the PS3 took off and started dominating the competition like the Sony fanboys guaranteed would happen at $299, there is only going to be ONE COMPANY that loses marketshare. That one company is SONY.

That, my little console warriors, is called fighting a battle they CANNOT win. Now sit down, stfu and start eating crow.

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Scarecrow
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 9:36:08 AM

The Mighty Bannings did its job

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HeXeN
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 10:30:24 AM

You do realize that the Wii has already won the battle and the war.Do you really care about second place that much?

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Nynja
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 11:03:53 AM

Second place matters that much to you? Then how about total sales worldwide (according to VGChartz)?

Nov 1 to Nov 28 worldwide sales:

Wii: 2,807,993
PS3: 1,734,799
360: 1,315,406

Not good enough? How about Jan 4 to Nov 28 worldwide sales:

Wii: 14,518,847
PS3: 8,793,243
360: 7,294,105

You may not care, but game publishers do and that's what matters most. As you said;

"Now sit down, stfu and start eating crow."

Last edited by Nynja on 12/11/2009 11:04:50 AM

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Highlander
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 11:28:54 AM

@HipHopDude

360 is the console of choice for hardcore gamers in the USA. However the market outside the USA is far, far larger than the market within the USA. Sony is interested globally, not locally. The fact that locally (in the USA) the 360 managed to squeak out a few more sales on the back of the biggest 360 game of the year and a recent mass banning of consoles is hardly surprising.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:15:30 PM

Nynja, second place? I guess reading comprehension is a reall biatch for you. You and the rest of the Sony Defense Force are so concerned with the Slim's 3rd place finish you are looking for any sort of an excuse regardless of how stupid it sounds.

What did I say in my previous post? It all comes down to marketshare making who finishes where in these monthly sales charts moot.

For example, SONY could finish number 1 in monthly sales from here on out, but will still wind up being the ONLY COMPANY TO LOSE MARKETSHARE.

Thats why none of this really makes a difference. What matters is Sony going from complete dominance last generation to the lowest marketshare percentage this year. What matters is SONY has lost BILLIONS of dollars this generation. What matters is Sony is the only company still taking a hit on each console sold.

Sony fanboys have played the "just wait until" game all generation long. Just wait until Lair launches. Just wait until Haze launches, just wait until LBP launches, just wait until GTA IV launches, just wait until they drop the price to $499. Just wait until they drop the price to $399. Finally when the Slim was announced at $299, the Sony Defense Force gloated and guaranteed complete dominance from there on out.

And once again they were wrong. Continue on with the tears and hilarious excuses, the entire industry is lol at you right now.

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Nynja
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:51:48 PM

Okay, you're right. Declining 360 sales numbers don't matter...

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Nynja
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:59:01 PM

@FlipFlopGamer

Btw: You're talking about past tense. Sony already LOST market share when comparing last generation to current generation.

What you are too blind to see is that Sony is currently regaining market share while 360 has been loosing it since the release of the Wii and PS3.

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Jawknee
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:23:15 PM

Hiphop sucks.

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BikerSaint
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 9:14:38 PM

Hey HipFlopGamer,
Take your jive somewhere else!
We don't need it & we certainly don't wantit!!!

So go back to "Trolls R Us"

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MyWorstNightmar
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 11:48:12 PM

HipHopper, “the entire industry is lol at you right now”, really? I thought you had a few valid points, but then you made a really dumb improvable, ignorant statement like that. Nice job.

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Highlander
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 7:17:54 PM

HipHopper

Sony lost billions on R&D for the PS3 and BluRay - so far. But BluRay is the only HD video standard for home video and PS3 is selling better globally than the 360. Sony is a Global corporation, their horizon is not limited to one holiday season, one year or one country. Sony has both the PlayStation and BluRay licensing revenue which will ultimately repay them handsomely.

As for losing billions, Microsoft lost billions on the original Xbox, never once did they make profit on that device. Then they threw more billions into developing the 360 and lost more selling them at an initial loss, and then wrote off more than a billion on the RROD.

When you point your finger at one corporation for losing billions on a product, you better make sure that the corporation you are using as a comparison hasn't done the same or worse.

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OriginalSin
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 5:49:00 AM
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HipHopGamer:

.....Never mind....

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Andysw
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:04:27 AM
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Worldwide sales is more significant than american sales. America is not the whole world.

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Nynja
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:22:58 AM

Good point. Any chance at PSXE tallying up those numbers?

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Scarecrow
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:25:30 AM

Yup

Good thing is that Europe is Playstation land, following Japan's exemplary example.

I guess there's still a large portion of Americans who like cheap products (in every sense of the word) and don't value quality

And yet they love paying for online

Interesting, guess US players can't be helped. At least they're trying...

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Andysw
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:54:28 AM

How is the xbox 360 cheap? If you're talking about the arcade model, you still have to cough out over $100 for a harddrive, plus $50 for xbox live and an extra $50 for a wireless adaptor if needed.

Last edited by Andysw on 12/11/2009 8:00:43 AM

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Deleted User
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:58:00 AM

@ Nynja

There's a guy at CAG who keeps tabs on Japan. So far in 2009 in Japan, the Wii has sold 1,312,870 and the PS3 1,284,029 while the 360 has sold 341,943.

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Highlander
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 11:35:47 AM

Indeed, and Sony looks at the sales globally, rather than limiting their view to Japan, North America or Europe.

@Scarecrow,
Indeed the US gaming consumer has an apparent love for the cheaply constructed 360 and it's ever lasting buffet of paid peripherals and paid online play. Then again with somewhere between 600,000 and 1,000,000 Xbox360 owners finding that their console is perma-banned from XBL, it's perhaps not surprising that a few hundred thousand people might suddenly have an incentive to run out to walmart and buy them self a new system.

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JackC8
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 9:14:33 AM
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You should really mention in your article that NPD is only talking about American sales. As far as total, worldwide sales, the best numbers available show that the PS3 has been outselling the Xbox every week since the price cut.

Total sales are the only thing that really matters. When developers and publishers think about what they're going to do on a platform, they're looking at how many total units they're going to sell, not just how many games they'll sell in one country.

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sabitrulz
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 9:35:27 AM
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well i bought my 3rd xbox360 this november......and there are plenty of guys who has done the same.......so it's natural that more 360 consoles are getting sold than the ps3......
and even ma non-gamer gf knows which colsole has better exclusives.......so no offence......

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Nynja
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 11:50:16 AM

Yup. Every single one of my friends (minus 1 cause he doesn't even play it anymore) who own a 360 have purchased more than 1 console due to warranty expiration.

Why pay $100-150 to get your 360 fixed, when you could just dish out an extra $50-100 and transfer your existing hard drive over to the new console with a fresh 3 year warranty?

Several of my friends who were 360 owners were fed up and recently made the switch to the PS3 with the new $299 price point. I think this is apparent in the decline of total sales for the 360 year over year and will become more noticeable during 2010.

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sabitrulz
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:18:30 PM

heyy wy 5 thumbs down??? well evry1 knows ps3 has got better n more exclusives....whats wrong with it???

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Nynja
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:27:14 PM

I don't think people understood what you were trying to say. No worries, I gave you a thumbs up.

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pSmingO
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 11:48:05 AM
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i think the only reason why the 360 is outselling the ps3 in america is because it established itself in the usa from the start, it was always in a good position, therefore it was more appealing, the ps3 on the other hand had poor marketing, $600 price tag, and no great games....eventually the ps3 will surpass 360 total sales, xbox fans just have to deal with it

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JDC80
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 6:41:34 PM

I have a couple of things and a PS3 game question: I believe the 360 benefited from two things one it launch first and two the PS3 had a high price tag when it first launch. Now since both consoles are equal footing we're seeing people are jumping to the PS3 side of things.

And with the high quality of AAA exclusives coming to the PS3 I can see the PS3 over taking the 360 next year, honestly what does the Xbox have to go against "Heavy Rain" "God of War III", "GT5" or "MAG" if they meet their expectations? Not much.

Game question: I have a holiday layaway and every year I give myself something along with getting family members gifts. I have "InFamous" but there's tons of "God of War" collection copies at K-Mart granted I beat "InFamous" on hero but I really enjoy the game should I keep "InFamous" or exchange it for God of War collection?
Bonus question: To the Xbox fans that troll the site why do you guys always flag the Playstation Pulse videos on YouTube?

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Nynja
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:49:52 PM
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I've collected some interesting data from VGChartz that many of you might like to see. Keep in mind the source isn't entirely reliable but are close representations of actual data and the date selections are not exact from Jan 1 to Dec 31. Take these caveats into account as some inaccuracies may occur in sales figures when attempting to tally numbers.

Lifetime sales from 360 Release to end of 2006

PS3: 1,232,323
360: 7,901,299

Difference of 6,668,976

Lifetime sales from 360 Release to end of 2007

PS3: 8,818,325
360: 15,732,025

Difference of 6,913,700

Lifetime sales from 360 Release to end of 2008

PS3: 19,010,395
360: 26,835,939

Difference of 7,825,544

Lifetime sales of all consoles to date

Wii: 58,368,148
PS3: 27,803,638
360: 34,130,044

Difference of 6,326,406 between PS3 & 360

Here are the annual sales data figures, again pulled from VGChartz.

12/31/06 - 12/29/07 - 2007 Sales

Wii: 16,132,975
PS3: 7,586,002
360: 7,830,726

Difference of 244,724 in favor of the 360

12/30/07 - 01/03/09 - 2008 Sales

Wii: 24,778,687
PS3: 10,192,070
360: 11,103,914

Difference of 911,844 in favor of the 360

01/04/09 - 11/28/09

Wii: 14,518,847
PS3: 8,793,243
360: 7,294,105

Difference of 1,499,138 in favor of the PS3

Last edited by Nynja on 12/11/2009 12:50:20 PM

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Nynja
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:02:01 PM

I'll point out something that can be determined from the sales data listed above. Through 2008, Xbox 360 was pulling ahead of the PS3 in total sales. As of 2009, this trend not just came to a slowdown, but to a grinding halt. In 2009 PS3 has outsold the 360 by over 1.4 million consoles.

Question is, how long will this trend continue? Exactly how long would it take for PS3 to catch up to the 360 or is it even possible?

At this rate (if continued as is for 2009) it may take Sony about 5-6 years to overtake the 360. If the MS decides to dump the 360 in Japan after only selling a disappointing 1,194,841 consoles to date, then expect the PS3 to overtake the 360 in 4-5 years.

Last edited by Nynja on 12/11/2009 1:07:50 PM

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Highlander
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 2:01:49 PM

@Nynja

About 4 years assuming that the PS3 only outsells the 360 by an average of 1.5 million units a year.

But remember before Sony cut their price, 2009 was looking dismal, so the PS3 has caught up and surpassed the 360 by 1.4 million units so far. We have yet to see a full year with the PS3 at a realistic price. I think that the PS3 may outsell the 360 quite heavily (on a global basis) during 2010 and 2011. The US market is difficult to predict, I suspect that the SP3 and 360 will sell pretty evenly in the US over the next couple of years. But, Globally speaking, the 360 is toast.

Last edited by Highlander on 12/11/2009 2:05:43 PM

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Nynja
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:42:06 PM

Ah, yes. Thank you. :)

Thankfully for the 360, they have some big hitters Halo: Reach, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Alan Wake, (Gears of War 3, maybe?) coming next year which should keep them in the game. Though, I believe most of the Halo fanbase has already purchased a 360, so I don't see many new console sales for that title. Maybe for Alan Wake or Gears3 if it's even in the pipeline. Then again as 360s continue to fail and warranties continue to expire, that should keep the 360 console sales on the radar.

Of course Sony will have their biggest year yet in 2010 with big titles like Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XIV, God of War III, Gran Turismo 5, Heavy Rain, The Last Guardian, MAG, The Agency, DC Online... Wow. That's not a bad list! Did I miss anything?

When MGS: Rising is released, it'll be interesting to see if either of the 2 consoles see a boost in sales. I suspect we won't see much of an impact.

It'll be another interesting year for gamers.

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Qubex
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 8:06:52 PM

I am hoping the PS3 will overtake sooner; and lest us not forget the very real scenario of M$ introducing a new next generation console much earlier than expected... they could beat Sony to it again. Nintendo will also have their next generation Wii ready to launch in the coming 2 years. It is rumoured that the next gen M$ console and Nintendo console will come with blu-ray drives!

Q!

"i am home"

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Highlander
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:54:03 AM

Natal does *NOT* count as a new console. It's simply a 360 duct taped to a camera and microphone.

Last edited by Highlander on 12/12/2009 1:54:35 AM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:13:41 PM
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"My fave system sells more than yours so it's better!"

Ummm...no. The games make the best the best, and we all know which has the best.

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hehateme
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:14:15 PM
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what gets me is i see non stop commercials with borderlands, MW2 and all the multi-platfrm games and all i see is xbox marketing the hell out of the game like its an exclusive.... its crazy and people believe that its an exclusive because on sonys part i dont see those kinda commercials. i downloaded some game commercials on my psp for resistance 2 and borderlands and they were jaw dropping yet i seen nothing on tv, granted they're it only does everything is amazing "montage" lol the best one yet, on the other hand it shows you how desperate they are.... and i know they took the dreamcast design of the controllers just compare the two

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convergecrew
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:56:42 PM

I agree.. I definitely think that this hurts sonys sales to a certain degree. As far as people are concerned, MW2 is a 360 game, not PS3 game. Same with other multiplats.

Sony has never really advertised these giant multiplat releases (MW1, RE5,), while MS does, so MS ends up ennjoying the benefit of the extra sales by association.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 2:11:22 PM

With the strong 1st party software, Sony is better off promoting that. However, I do agree they need to aggressively promote more 3rd party games like they did with Batman: Arkham Asylum and Assassin's Creed 2 in 2009. Final Fantasy XIII would be a great game to use. Dante's Inferno is another. Of course, Heavy Rain, the PS3 exclusive, should also be promoted.

In the case of MW2, I've always considered it a 360 staple, not a PS3 staple. Let the newbies who bought MW2 and a 360 find out that they have to pay $50 to get the most out of it. Serves them right.

Last edited by n/a on 12/11/2009 2:12:27 PM

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Jian2069
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:55:17 PM

MW2 was a pretty sweet game but it was extremely over-hyped, it has a 5.4/10 user-based rating on meta-critic because a bunch of people gave it 0 and just wrote about how over-hyped it was.

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pSmingO
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 2:46:24 PM
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buddy, the ps3 has been outselling the 360 yearly since 2008!!even wit the higher price tag, that just shows how the playstation brand is and will always be stronger than the xbox brand

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pSmingO
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 2:52:20 PM
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xbox has to advertize the multi-platform games, i mean like wat else do they have except for halo n gears??...all microsoft does is pay $$ to have already established games on their system, SONY on the other hand makes new original games, thas why even though sony is 3rd right now, they're still the industry leaders whether nintendo or microsoft likes it or not!

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Nynja
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:50:12 PM

"they're still the industry leaders"

That's a very bold statement. When it comes to games, I have to agree. I think EA's Dante's Inferno and Microsoft's Lips and Scene It are prime examples of Sony software envy.

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NoSmokingBandit
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:03:08 PM

I agree 100%.
Nowhere else can you find games that appeal to everyone like LBP and Ratchet as well as more adult games like Killzone 2 and Valkyria Chronicles.

Nintendo is even starting to borrow ideas from Sony's games like the 4-player Mario Bros Wii (which i totally need to go buy) that seems to borrow from LBP a little bit.

We all know EA wants to be just like Santa Monica, and they are wise to admit it.

Sony has the best Action/Adventure games ever (LoZ has been slipping away since the n64, imo), the best RPGs (demons souls, valkyria, WKC), and the best artsy games (LBP, Echochrome, Heavy Rain, etc).
They may not have the lead in sales, but without Sony we would all be playing dull shooters and half-assed rpg titles.

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Jian2069
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:53:36 PM

Killzone 2 represent!

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Naga
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:38:17 PM
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4 million for CoD? I'm shocked I bet part of that 4 million have been annoying idiots that should've never got thier corrupt hands on this terrible game

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BikerSaint
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 10:02:52 PM
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As others have already stated, the "box" only sold more because of 3 things.

1. Multiple RROD's on mulitple consoles!

2. MS Banning all the modded box's!

3. The limited edition black & grey "TaskForce 141" skinned Modern Warfare bundles that came with 250 gigs, 2 controllers & the MW game.

FYI, when I was at GS the day the MW bundle came out, they were flying off the shelves and only had 2 left from their total allotment.
And every one of those MW bundles were already pre-ordered &pre-sold, but I was able to get my GS guy sell me one of them.(BTW,I needed a "box"for my gaming collection & was going to buy a used Elite, but I opted for this one insteadjust because it had much bigger hard drive).

And that I was able to do a "snatch & grab" away from a bot just makes makes me feel all warm & fuzzy inside just because now there's one less little rabid fanboy that's able to go around "cussing yo momma" out of their now-missing box.

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WolfCrimson
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:32:31 AM

ROFL. Good thinking ;D

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COD_death
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 10:23:56 PM
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Sony will never get it and I will be left loving the ps3 while the 360 out sells it and it seems the ps3 will never catch up in total units sold, sad....

Sony needs to do one thing and do it alot... Advertise for mutli platform games like MS does. I must have seen over 200 hundard commercials for the 360 and mw2 but not one for PS3 and MW2, WHY? I know some of you don't like MS doing this but hell it's business and that is the smart thing to do, Sony needs to get there heads out of their A%%.

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Fane1024
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 7:55:53 PM

Well, Sony didn't advertize MW2 because Microsoft paid Activision (and apparently Best Buy) for exclusive "commercial" rights, just as Sony did for ACII. In other words, they couldn't.

Personally, I'd rather Sony didn't stoop to their level.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 12/12/2009 7:56:37 PM

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BikerSaint
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:46:44 AM
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Sony should've also been smarter and beat MS to the punch at making a PS3 as the Modern Warfare 2 bundle.

Then it really would've sent the PS3 sales charts skyrocketing "to the moon Alice, to the moooooooon"!!!

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Qubex
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:59:46 AM

I agree with you, but maybe M$ signed an exclusive deal to do this with Disactivated :)

Q!

"i am home"

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BikerSaint
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:53:26 PM
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Oh, I'm sure we all know MS came over to Anti-vision with money sticking out of their wazoo.

But what I'm saying is that if Sony had beaten MS to the punch at their own game, MS would've been Sh*t out of luck & we could have seen a great looking 250 PS3 COD MW bundle instead.
And I think it would've sold millions alone
(I know would've bought that one in a heartbeat to put it right next to my sexy 60GB tons-a-fun fattie).

Guess it was just a matter of Sony being "a day late & a dollar short" on "gettin' her done" on that bundle as the sayings goes

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D-Squad3
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 @ 9:04:37 AM
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World Wide Sales FTW

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