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Australian Ban Of Aliens vs. Predator Sparks Controversy

If you weren't aware, the upcoming Aliens vs. Predator has been refused classification in Australia, which essentially means it's banned from the country. But why?

Well, we're not entirely sure but according to GamesIndustry.biz, Australia's Attorney General has issued a semi-explanation. Michael Atkinson was quite frank in his support of the board's decision not to hand out a classification: "You don't need to be playing a game in which you impale, decapitate and dismember people." This was said during a recent ABC News interview, where Atkinson defended his country's policy on not providing an 18+ or Mature rating for video games. Said Atkinson:

"This is a question of a small number of very zealous gamers trying to impose their will on society. And I think harm society. It’s the public interest versus the small vested interest. I accept that 98 per cent, 99 per cent of gamers will tell the difference between fantasy and reality, but the 1 per cent to 2 per cent could go on to be motivated by these games to commit horrible acts of violence."

But also included in that ABC feature were statements from Australia's IGEA (Interactive Games and Entertainment Association) CEO Ron Curry, who said, "it doesn't seem democratic that a single Attorney General should be able to dictate what the vast Australian population can interact with." And then came the comment that all gamers and journalists are more than thankful for, and quite ready to embrace for the benefit of the ignorant. Curry added:

"The government trusts us to be adults with films, but they only want us to be children with games."

Couldn't have said that better myself. If you're banning Aliens vs. Predator, I had best not see "Hostel" show up for sale in Australia. Oh wait, it did. But after all, I'm still a child and I play video games (but I don't watch movies) and I need to be told what I can and can't do, right?

Related Game(s): Aliens vs. Predator

12/11/2009 12:27:53 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (86 posts)

BlackBriar
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:43:56 PM
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Implement a 18+ Rating. There Problem Solved!

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cecaron
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:13:41 PM

That's the problem... Michael Atkinson is blocking the R18+ rating... and sadly... he's good at hit...

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coverton341
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:44:53 PM
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I think he makes an extremely valid point when he states it is not very democratic for one man to choose what an entire nation can and cannot interact with. Is Australia not a democracy? Why not put it to a vote?

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Jawknee
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:27:01 PM

Many left leaning government officials don't care if it's Democratic or not. Their inability to let you live your life the way you want trumphs democracy. If leftist had their way, we wouldn't have democracies and we would have the Soviet Union. .

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piratedrunk
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:09:15 PM

what an absurdedly ignorant statement

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Jawknee
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:35:17 PM

aah, classic tactic of the left. Call me names instead of rebutting my argument.

;)

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Wage SLAVES
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 8:18:15 PM

Ignorant? How so? That was one of the most applicable statements about the situation. They are acting very despotic indeed.

THAT is the problem with democracies. The Majority can rule out the minority. And when you get in office, guess what? You automatically represent the majority so you can actually abuse that power despotically. Thats is why a Republic is the proper government.

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LightShow
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 10:07:28 PM

i must concur with wage, a republic is the ideal. however, if everything the government did had to be put up for a majority vote, nothing would get done.

here, in the states, the system isnt perfect, but it has the potential to fix itself if the general public cared, which it has started to. that said, im sure we could do worse.

something like video game ratings seems like its best left in the hands of the private sector, as a standard to assist marketing. Im almost positive the ESRB isnt a government organization.

if its an industry practice, and not a government practice, then it has the potential to be directly influenced by the consumer. unfortunately for this guy, that means he doesnt get to block games he doesnt approve of "just because", but, fortunately for the consumer, the populace doesnt get treated like a little kid by this guy. seems like a fair deal.

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piratedrunk
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:54:17 AM

sorry your extremely generalized statement left me little room to work with

also I didn't call you anything I was reffering only to your statement not you as a person I find in most gaming related cases at least you are completely reasonable

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piratedrunk
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:23:17 AM

also just for clarification I agree with covertron's comment I was purely replying to jawknee's generalization about left leaning officials. perhaps he was only referring to american officials in which case I admit I don't follow their practises closely but otherwise I stand by it

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Fane1024
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:25:10 PM

@ Jawknee

You didn't make an argument. You spouted nonsense.

The left are no more prone to trying to govern behavior than the right and probably less so. The Moral Majority makes a living out of trying to govern behavior. The right constantly try to create laws which restrict the rights of people (e.g., a Constitutional ban on gay marriage).

Understand, I work at a "liberal" university. I've seen idiots on the left act just as bigotted and self-righteous as idiots on the right. But not in nearly the same numbers.

Also, the people on the left are usually (but not always) arguing for the correct policy, even if they act like douche bags.

I agree with piratedrunk that you are usually reasonable when you're on topic, but you seem to have a need to turn everything into a right-wing political rant.

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Jawknee
Monday, December 14, 2009 @ 1:00:39 AM

Nonsense because you don't agree.

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crump602
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:57:50 PM
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Just another douche that's barkin up the wrong tree.
Many have tried, but no one wins against the gaming community!
He might as well ban Hollywood movies.
I hate people that have political power and do stupid crap like this, everybody knows there is more important things to worry about!!!!

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fluffer nutter
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:57:52 PM
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Disgusting what they think "democracy" entails. Seen many countless articles, news bits, rants, etc. on this topic and it really is sad that one man can be the opposition to what many will enjoy or at least get to chalk up as an experience. Not right, at all.

"The government trusts us to be adults with films, but they only want us to be children with games." <--- awesome quote, btw.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 12:58:21 PM
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You Tell em Ben! F*ck that douchebag and his despotic behavior. What galls me the most about stuff like that is when one person truly believes they are doing what is best for the vast majority of people. "You don't need to be doing that." or "The people of our nation don't want this." Australia needs to be liberated.

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crump602
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:03:55 PM

The mob always wins!!!! lol

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Geobaldi
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:05:27 PM
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Just another instance of government getting involved with things they shouldn't. Let the people decide what they do and don't want. Too bad ours in getting that way as well.

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cecaron
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:11:02 PM
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Great Post!

I LOVE : "The government trusts us to be adults with films, but they only want us to be children with games."

You could easily change "government" for "Michael Atkinson".

Add to this, with games like Uncharted 2... the clear distinction between movies and games will be harder and harder to make...

I'm sooooo over retard thinking concerning games... and soooo looking forward a real switch of generation in the governance authorities...

"I accept that 98 per cent, 99 per cent of gamers will tell the difference between fantasy and reality, but the 1 per cent to 2 per cent could go on to be motivated by these games to commit horrible acts of violence."

TRADUCTION: Screw you folks, doesn't matter what you think, I decided, based on my lame personnal belief, that there will be no R18+ games... I made my choice... screw you ... adult movies are ok....

Its a joke. Its a disgrace. This is democracy? Was it not something along the lines ... the fundametals of the gorvenment is to serve its people???

Check out more about Michael Atkinson's ...

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Fane1024
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:30:38 PM

Also, god help us if as much as 1-2% of the population is that prone to violent delusions.

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fuk u
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:14:27 PM
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Im sure they have some violent games out right now.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:18:09 PM
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GOWIII shouldn't have a chance.

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fluffer nutter
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 2:56:02 PM

Don't you mean "won't" have a chance?

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:18:27 PM

What's wrong with "shouldn't"?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:22:51 PM

What I was trying to convey was that these types are very quick to judge, as in GOWIII shouldn't have a chance under those restrictions like no impalement, but it is also likely that their economy will like the sales so much that certain persons will be willing to toss their assertions aside in the face of guaranteed cashola.

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gumbi
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:20:07 PM
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"You don't need to be playing a game in which you impale, decapitate and dismember people." ... Yes, if I'm playing the role of a predator I absolutely must impale, decapitate, and dismember people. I also want to polish their skulls and place them on my mantle.

And seriously. Crazy people who commit horrific, deplorable acts of violence are already crazy, they're already a threat to society, and they're already going to do something horrible... A godam video game cannot I repeat CANNOT 'make' you do anything you weren't already capable of and bound to do anyway. I'm so sick of this argument...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:23:58 PM

that is correct, those demons are already inside people who would commit such acts.

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BikerSaint
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 10:57:06 PM

HAAAA, the voices in my head are telling me Atkinson should go...."f*ck himself"

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NeoHumpty
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:22:28 PM
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Throw another game on the barbie. Yeah, I think he's getting WAY out of hand.

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gumbi
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:29:52 PM
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So... would it be ironic if someone impaled, decapitated and dismembered him for not letting them play a game where they could impale, decapitate and dismember people?

I just love saying impale, decapitate, and dismember... In fact, I think I'm more likely to buy this game now, this is some effective overseas advertising my man.

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Alienange
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 8:03:11 PM

Your comment is banned in Australia.

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Nerull
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:37:16 PM
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Hostel is a good example of why any anti-game arguement should be moot. It's nothing but torture porn yet it's available worldwide,to people old enough I would hope.
Stick a couple QTE's into hostel and suddenly it's a demon that preys on the weak of society.
The real weakness of society is the people in charge of it and there's a lot worse problems they want to keep you distracted from.

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Highlander
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:51:24 PM

The real weakness is that even an R rated movie in the US can be seen by kids as long as they are accompanied by a 'responsible' adult. In other words we as a society broadly speaking agree that there is must, literature, TV and movies that are intended for adult consumption only, and yet we do not in any way enforce that standard. Oddly we do assume for games that kids will play them, and so we have a heightened censorship there when compared to TV/Movies. This is both a double standard and wrong.

So basically we as a society have already set the standards for hat is for kids and what is not, however we do not have the courage to enforce the standard. Nor do we have the courage to trust adults to play games for adults.

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Highlander
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:44:38 PM
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Indeed!

::Well earned applause::

So sick and so tired of the mainstream media and the ignorant unwashed masses assuming because something is a 'game' and 'fun' that it is for kids only. By that measure kids must utterly adore sex, but somehow I think not. If we can classify movies that include on screen dismemberment for the purposes of titillating the audience (now THAT is perverted) as safe for sale on video or to be shown in a cinema, then why the hell can't a game like Aliens vs Predator get a release?

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Fane1024
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:34:32 PM

I remember being pretty obsessed with sex when I was a kid. It didn't turn me into a sociopath (at least, that's my story and I'm sticking to it).

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BTNwarrior
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:54:10 PM
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The world is going to be such a great place when the generation that grew up on games starts ruling countries. Or at least gamers will have more freedoms.

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Jawknee
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 1:59:16 PM
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Thomas Jefferson said it best

"a wise and frugal government, which shall LEAVE MEN FREE to REGULATE their OWN persuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned--this is the sum of good government."

These people think to highly of themselves. We as free people have the right to decide our persuits in life. Too often these days government believes they know best and we must obey. This is why it's best to keep government small. They are only accountable every few years. Damage is done within that time. Too much damage.

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Jawknee
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 2:03:27 PM

Also, if this is banned, where does that leave God of War III?

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Highlander
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 2:16:27 PM

Libertarian principles of unregulated commerce is precisely what created the Great Recession as it is now being called. You need to be very careful about making broad statements and using someone who lived more than 200 years ago as your sole justification. When Jefferson made those remarks the economic, social and political picture was incomparable to that of today.

Remember this, Government is publicly accountable and can be changed. Businesses are private concerns with zero public accountability. If you are concerned that a government can do too much damage despite being publicly accountable for their actions, why do you believe that business would behave any better with zero public accountability and no opportunity for change? That is a contradiction and makes no sense to me at all.

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Jawknee
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:06:29 PM

High, I respect you and your intellect but I whole heartedly disagree. Business can be held accountable, you don't have to buy what they're are selling. It's left up to us to decide. History proves Government involvement and abuse in the market is what caused the housing bubble to grow and burst and the eventual crash in our markets and this "great recession".  Government lending companies like fanny may and Freddie mac were privatizing the profits and socializing the risks. Lending money to unworthy barrowers. Greedy bankers do play a role but government played a bigger role. With government we are stuck with the regulations, entitlements, taxes and freedom restrictions passed by these knuckle heads in government forever regardless of their reelection bids. Not so in the private sector. Sure we can vote the bums out but not before the damage is done. No one would buy what the Feds are selling if they had a choice a better choice. Your wrong about the role government should have in industry. I don't want to get into this on this thread, but if you are interested as to why I think your wrong feel free to email me friend.

:) jawkneemusic@gmail dot com

History shows Jefferson was right. Free countries prosper while regulated ones often don't. It wasn't government that made us rich, free and powerful. It was done on the backs of free americans.  

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Wage SLAVES
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 8:10:17 PM

@Highlander I believe that is PURE republican principals. To challlenge a founding father...? That is brave. His words would apply beautifully, I believe, if this was still the great country he, and the other founding fathers intended.

Jawk you have GREAT points. People tend to forget the trailblazing of the American civilization before the Federal Reserve. How did we manage from 1776-1913?

The reason for this economic down turn is the reversal of common sense regulation like the Glass Steagall Act which prevents the using of derivatives. I call shinanigans on the people in office for repealing it. Isn't it a shame when the responsibility in the media falls on the people that were conned into buying a house priced a little high with Adjustable Rate Mortgages. Then when the sh*t hit the fan everyone was conveniently, it seems, in financial trouble?

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Highlander
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:49:04 AM

@WageSlaves
Repulicanism is not Libertarianism. The two are completely different.

The concept of little to no government involvement in anything leaves the world of commerce to it's own devices and we all end up as literal wage slaves because we are NOT in a position of power over corporations worth billions of dollars. Jawknee suggests that business would somehow be more accountable because customers can choose not to buy their product. However reality has shown in crystal clarity that business cannot regulate itself, it is unable to curb it's own destructive tendencies. not only that but consumers suckling at Microsoft's Xbox360 have proven beyond doubt that individual consumer action will not sway an major corporation.

I think you're both wrong on this. I'll not go down the road again, but I will say that I am distressed greatly by the current fad of calling any government regulation or involvement in *anything* except (it seems) war, socialism, socialistic, or claiming that it's one step from communism. I am distressed because not one of the people making these claims understands socialism, or communism. I'll never claim to be a political scientist, but my father is. He spent his life teaching and researching political science, and I can tell you that people in the US today haven't a fraking clue what they're talking about when they talk about socialism or communism or any of the other ludicrous statements being made.

.end.

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tes37
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:44:49 AM

Both Jawknee and Highlander make some good points. I would like to add that if the government is gonna regulate commerce, they need to be thorough about it and make sure companies like MS live up to an industry standard of what can and should be expected when purchasing their products. I'm more of a " made well in the USA " kinda person, than a " made in the USA ".

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Jawknee
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:30:18 PM

High, you continue to insist we don't understand what communism and socialism are. I know what Karl Marx wrote and I see what his teaching have done through out history. He sits in a mountain of oppression and death and that's all I need to know. It's never worked, it will never work, you have to force people to live under it and too often the systems have resulted in death and destruction. Regardless of how you understand them, history proves they don't work.

Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Kim Jung Il, all took inspiration from Marx. And we all know how that turned out. Freedom trumps fairness. Following Jeffersons model is not always fair but it is has proven it to be the best way to minimize human suffering.

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Fane1024
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:44:54 PM

I don't think Highlander was defending communism or Marxism or even socialism. He was criticizing people for labelling ideas or actions which are in no way communist or socialist as such because those people know that the unwashed masses will then feel negatively about those ideas or actions (thanks, McCarthy).

Those people will, for instance, call Obama both a socialist and a fascist. That clearly demonstrates that they have no idea what either of those terms means, since they are not only inaccurate with regards to Obama, but totally incompatible with each other.

Your overreation to him even mentioning communism is a perfect example of the irrational fear of socialism which the right has sown in the U.S.

Soviet communism failed (and good riddance) for a lot of reasons, including some of those quoted by the right, but not because it was "socialist". In fact, a major cause was that it wasn't actually socialist at all, but a totalitarian oligarchy who simply replaced the exploitataion of the Czars with their own oppression.

I don't disagree with your distaste of the nanny state; I just don't agree that it has anything to do with liberalism.


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Jawknee
Monday, December 14, 2009 @ 1:02:46 AM

Socialism has too often lead to totalitarianism. Learn from history.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 @ 4:03:26 PM

No, it hasn't.

Aside from Communist nations (which don't reflect socialism any more than Fascist nations represent capitalism), none of the socialist nations of the world (e.g., the Scandinavian countries) have become totalitarian dictatorships.

There have been as many "right-wing" totalitarian nations (Nazi Germany, Spain, Fascist Italy) as "left-wing" totalitarian nations (the U.S.S.R, Maoist China, Cuba), more if you go back in time.

And none of them are any good.

Socialism is inherently democratic/egalitarian, as it seeks the well being of the entire society, whereas capitalism is inherently anti-democratic/elitist, as it reinforces the disparity of power and wealth.

However, tyrants can exist regardless of the economic system in place.

Also, since you accuse others of this all the time, I don't see you responding to the points I made or those Highlander made. Instead, you deflect with intimations or accusations that we are somehow justifying Communism. Next, you'll say were anti-American and hate little baby Jesus.



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Nerull
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 2:48:02 PM
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Just because big business abides by even less laws than many governments doesn't mean the governments themselves are automatically doing a good job. It just further illustrates a flaw in today's societal structure.

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Highlander
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:55:13 AM

Neither does it illustrate a way in which business which exists solely to extract money from me is in any way more accountable than government.

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nickmike111
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 2:51:21 PM
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I am 18 years old and i live in America.
I can go to a strip club and possibly catch a STD.
I can watch pornography.
I can go to war without my parents permission and I can die for my country.
But i cannot drink a alcoholic beverage until i am 21.
These are the stupid fallacies in our elected governments. They (Remember we elected them) want to have their cake and eat it, you have freedom but only as much as we allow you.

Being 18 years of age someone can break into my house and i can kick the living sh** out of him, the next day he can file assault charges against me for battery.
The reason Australia banned the game and will continue to ban violent games it because of accountability, people are slime and will take any possible way they can to get out of trouble. Whether it is the video game taught me to do it or the movie demonstrated it for me.

What all of the governments are missing is that their should be no excuses because it is up to the individual (or their parents) to separate the two (fiction, reality) If i walked into a store and shot everyone inside i should be punished for it. No excuses, i consciously committed a act of violence I pulled the trigger I walked in with the intention of shooting people so I am solely responsible.

By banning the games i think Australia is just taking away any potential excuse for anyone to use.

But instead of telling people what they can and cannot do in their free time why don't you spend time fixing your emergence response service so people do not die in the desert because your responders think he is joking.

This is my first post on this website (long time reader first time poster) let me know your feelings.
thanks

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 11:32:28 PM

He can file the charges but he wouldn't win, lol.

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Scarecrow
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:05:52 PM
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We'd raise HELL in the US if this kind of s*** ever happened here

Seriously, movies treated differently than games?

How 'bout parents be parents and take care of their damn children?

Or how 'bour retailers not selling Adult games to kids? That works

'Cause if a parent buys it, then it's completely the parent's fault

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Wage SLAVES
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 8:24:54 PM

It still surprises me what the politicians get away with under our name. I wouldn't speak SO high of our political reaction. Well, maybe if they stopped MySpace the people will revolt here. Otherwise keep pillaging the Americans just don't take our entertainment.

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:19:25 PM
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I don't see the big deal, they have lots of beaches and warm weather.

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Jawknee
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:33:50 PM

Soon they may deem to sun a health hazzard and ban those warm beaches.

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Geobaldi
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:50:06 AM

They may have lots of warm beaches and sun, but there's also a giant iceberg that's heading their way right now

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bearbobby
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:29:18 PM
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I thought all these guys were running around the Outback dodging aborigines and killing crocodiles? How's this game going to damage them in any way. Shouldn't they be using it to train their young in the art of the hunt?

/s

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Highlander
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 4:30:39 PM

If you look at their culture Australia clearly isn't afraid of action, violent sports or sex. Yet their board of censors (or whatever they call themselves) is extremely strict. Australia is a bit of an enigma.

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Banky A
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:36:29 PM
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Idiot..
He needs a punch to the face from a Mr. Kangaroo.

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Gordo
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:46:51 PM
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I'm afraid Australia has a few conservative politicians that seem to want to take us back to the 1950's.

We can't change the rating system for video games unless all the state attorney generals agree and this one from South Australia is blocking it.

So as you say we can watch torture porn like Hostel as an 18 year old, vote, drink, drive, smoke, marry, have children, buy real porn, and join the army and fight in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So in fact you can do everything as an adult apart from play a video game.

Bizarre and shows how old fashioned most politicans tend to be. The bad news is that the majority of the people voting for this 'gentleman' wouldn't know the first thing about video games so the chances of voting him out on this single issue is pretty slim.

We can only hope as it's pretty embarrassing to live in Australia and have these archaic rules.
The beaches, surf and sun does make up for it though!

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Gordo
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 3:58:30 PM
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Talking about crocodiles...

It's one thing to swim in the sea and worry about the odd shark but when you go into Northern Queensland and want a swim to cool off you can't swim in the sea because of the jellyfish, the rivers are teeming with saltwater crocodiles up to 6 metres in length, and that only leaves the waterholes.
(You do also need to check your swimming pools every morning before you dive in!)

Each waterhole gets checked regularly but you never know what just walked in the day before. They have signs up everyhere saying "Danger, salt water crocodiles known to be active in this area, swim at your own risk".

You tend to get in if there are other people already in and they seem to have lasted more than five minutes. If you are the only one in you must be a crazy person or a local (usually one in the same).
Heightens the senses I can tell you!

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JackC8
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 4:07:42 PM
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It would be more newsworthy to do articles on any game that DOESN'T get banned in Australia :)

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Hezzron
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 4:27:38 PM
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Michael Atkinson has obviously incurred the wrath of the gaming gods. Australia now has a gigantic iceberg heading its way.

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tes37
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 5:05:47 PM
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Australians should demand something be done about the obvious hypocrisy in choosing one form of media to impose limitations on.

People that are going to snap one day and kill someone, will do so no matter what form of media they entertain themselves with. It's a ridiculous ban.

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onsiterecording
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 6:03:49 PM
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I live in South Australia, the state that Michael Atkinson represents as Attorney General. Unfortunately for gamers in australia the Attorney Gernerals from every state must agree on introducing an R18+ rating for games and Michael Atkinson is the only one not willing to introduce this rating. The Federal Government is composing a paper/report on an R18+ rating but he is also currently blocking that getting anywhere also. Many have tried to reason with him including myself, there is rarley a reply and when there is they have not really made any sense since he doens't listen to facts. Our next state election is in March 2010 and a gamers political party has formed to oppose his seat of Croyden.

For more information on everything including emails to and from him got here:

http://www.gamers4croydon.org/

He is one of those people that thinks he is right about something and won't let the truth change his mind, he stated that only 3 people in his represented area want an R18 rating, however Gamers 4 Croyden proves that incorrect and he doesn't seem to understand his decision affects the whole of australia, NOT just his seat of Croyden. Please head to the site, they need all kinds of support.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 8:32:11 PM

Thanks for the "onsite" info. :)

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Highlander
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:53:09 AM

So paradoxically more regulation in the form of a new rating would allow the release of this game which is not being blocked by regulation, but rather the inaction of a single man? Interesting.

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___________
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 5:27:31 AM

its so stupid that one man can have such power to say what millions of people can and cant play.
technically i could be thrown in jail for importing said games if i got caught.
rebellious.
1 i thought parliament was a majority rules, not 1 idiot can stuff everything up.
2 i thought we were voting these idiots in to do OUR bidding not theirs.
they call it the voice of the people not the voice of the person.
sigh :(
i wish i was finished tafe so i could get out of this urine soaked hell hole.
when it comes to games, no scratch that when it comes to anything australia is the worst place to live in.
should go live in Dubai where theres almost no laws.
hell killzone 2 got released almost 6 weeks early there, most games do.
bootleg copies selling for as low as 40 AUD instead of buying the normals for 120.

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Snaaaake
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 6:10:48 PM
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Dumb guy, dumb law, dumb ban.

What else is there to say?

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Naga
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:33:41 PM
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"You don't need to be playing a game in which you impale, decapitate and dismember people."

Well is it for kids? 15?? f*** no give the Aussies the right to play true gaimz!! its completely unfair on them plus is violence on Sonic having a terrible effect on people!? young gamers would start jumping on people if 18+ games were still banned in Australia or even Germany?!

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Wage SLAVES
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 8:20:06 PM

Well, I've been playing games like Mortal Kombat since I was in elementary. I think I came out ok. lol.

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Naztycuts
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 7:49:02 PM
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Didnt MW2 release over there? It had a M rating here, so unless they censored parts of it... somethings wrong here. BIG MONEY BIG CONTROVERSY no problem, a few GoW qualities on a less popular title, and here come the Censors wtf

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 8:05:38 PM

bump

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___________
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 5:20:57 AM

only reason why that got passed is because they would know what would happen if it got banned.
blowing zombies heads off is not ok but gunning down innocent civilians is?
WTF?
if it got banned there would of been a massive backlash knowing the fan base it has.
and bobby kotik probably would of tried to sue them.

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Alienange
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 8:05:42 PM
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I think we're missing the point. I mean, just how damn good is Aliens vs. Predator going to be for it to be banned in Australia?

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LightShow
Friday, December 11, 2009 @ 10:28:09 PM
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not sure how the economic argument got started, might as well say what i have to say...

in an ideal world the government not only would represent the will of the american populace but would also regulate themselves so they only have the power they need, only exercise regulations that are necessary, and butt out when they arent needed.

unfortunately the government is made up of people, and is thusly inherently flawed. while they may be publicly "accountable", we cant do sh** between elections (here in the states). regardless of their political affiliation, politicians typically do not have the best interests of the people in mind.

now (without delving too deep into "capitalist rhetoric") the average citizen votes hundred of times a day with their hard earned cash. if nobody wants an item, they wont buy it and the manufacturer will cease production because theyre losing money.

300 million people vote all the time, with their opinions calculated daily. market trends stop and start on a dime, based on what people think is worth their money. whole companies shift focus in a week because of what the people want.

when given the choice between a government who really only has my best interest at heart on election day and the company that wants my business daily, and is governed solely by my (and countless others') decision that theyre worth my money, ill choose the company. there's far more accountability there, and if i dont want something i dont have to buy it. when the government decides theyre gonna make something, they pay for it with a tax, from which i am not exempt.

now is the government necessary to keep snake oil off the streets and make sure the food I buy is worth eating? absolutely. do i want them regulating freaking everything? absolutely not. stick to what we need you for, mr senator, and stay the hell away from everything else. god knows you cause enough trouble as it is...

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Highlander
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:51:32 AM

There is no collective accountability with business. Consumers do not as a rule act en mass, which is the only way consumers can force accountability on an organization. Have you noted *anyone* successfully bringing Microsoft to account for the 360? Actually people continue to buy the bloody things. That is consumer led accountability in action.

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Jawknee
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:36:05 PM

Yes High it's unfortunate that MS and companies like MS can still sell their junk and people still buy it but that is the nature of a free nation. If those idiots want to keep buying Xboxs then that's their choice, not yours or mine or Atkinsons or Obamas or any ones.

As Mel Gibson said in Brave Heart

"FREEEEDOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!"

;)

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Dyl
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:31:12 AM
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This is total bullshit. Im getting sick of Australia's piece of shit laws. IT'S JUST A GAME. Not every person that plays a violent game is going to go out and kill someone. This game is si fi meaning its not real so if someone cant tell that then they need help. We can play war games like the cal of duty series they are more real then aliens vs predators. Way to go and take mad games out of our hands australia. By the way legalise air soft bb guns they are toys you dick's

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Blaiyan
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:12:14 AM
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Oh well.

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___________
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 5:18:42 AM
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o jesus christ dont get me started.
i was really, really, really pissed about it BUT whys everyone surprised?
i mean freaking L4D2 got banned, so of course this will i mean.
GOW 3 wont even last 2 minutes, they will turn it on and off and thats it.
they wont even need to play it.
only if i could find a site that lets me import these games that is
1 cheap
2 ships to my area.
3 RELIABLE! the amount of things ive bought off ebay and never received them.
4 and get here in a reasonable time.
every game ive imported from the US i paid "express" shipping and it took freaking 6 weeks to get here.
ive shipped stuff to the US like my xbox, cables, games, videos heaps of stuff and its ALWAYS there within 4 weeks.
and thats standard not express.

wait
"You don't need to be playing a game in which you impale, decapitate and dismember people."
so whats fear 2, fallout 3, dead space, ninja gaiden 2, ninja gaiden sigma 2, GOW1,2, mad world.
what are they doing there?
you dont need to play those games so why are they available?

i really could not care less IF they were consistent.
but there not.
whats ok in one game gets another game banned.
WTF?
im really starting to think its the highest bidder.
thats the only explenation i can think of, if not, what else is determining what gets passed and what does not?
removing heads and dead bodies laying on the ground soaked in blood is ok for ninja gaiden 2 but thats exactly what got left for dead 2 banned.

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LowKey
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:56:52 PM
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Trying to impose their will on society??? Oh man it's a good thing I don't live in australia, I'd break that guys hypocritical jaw. That atkinscum guy doesn't even know what horrible acts of violence are. I am so sick of of hearing this come from australia. You know in Canada Mature on a video game means 17+. It's such a shame that the aussies hace to have this guy impose his will on society.

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 10:52:52 PM
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There is so much support here for an R18+ rating in Australia, but Michael Atkinson continues to win votes based on his experience in politics and his take on issues other than video gaming.

Sadly, of all the people in SA (South Australia), only about 5% of them would be gamers. That leaves 95% voting for the guy who keeps taxes low, who keeps police, fire and emergency services well equipped, who takes care of peoples needs.

Unfortunately, he has been proven to be stubborn and will not budge on this issue despite overwhelming demand for an R18+ rating in video games.

The only option we have is to grit our teeth and bear it until he quits or dies of old age. And at 70 years old, that may hopefully not be too long.

Fortunately, there is no law against importing these games, only against advertising and selling them, or re-selling them.

Michael Atkinson knows about us. He knows there are people who want to play these explicit games, but he does not care. Those 1-2% of psychos and troubled souls who could be influenced by these games must be cared for by him.

(sarcasm) Big ol' friendly Michael will take care of us. He'll keep the spooky and nasty video games away from us timid Aussies.

But what will happen if Mr. Atkinson is no longer there to stop these games getting in? All hell will break loose!!! Chaos will roam the streets!!! Video gamers will go on violent rampages, smashing people with baseball bats screaming "100 points!!", and they'll try to shove controller cords in women to control them to do their sexual bidding!!!!

Oh Mr. Atkinson!!! How could we have ever doubted you!!! How were we to know!?!?! R18+ games are the devil!!! If only we could go back and change our wicked ways!!!

Does Michael Atkinson really think this is what will happen? Cos the way he is acting, it seems violent video games may lead to this. I wouldn't be surprised if this was one of his nightmares at one time.

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 10:57:02 PM
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There will be no R18+ rating in video games in Australia until Michael Atkinson is either voted out or dies and is replaced. Since the first option isn't likely (he has a 75% approval rating based on the last election), I guess we just have to follow the progression of his health.

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:02:46 PM
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BTW, show your support by visiting the following sites.

http://www.gamers4croydon.org/

- This one is a political party in South Australia who are challenging Michael Atkinson's political party. Any support would be appreciated here.

http://www.growupaustralia.com/

- This is a news and gamers site that is also available on Facebook, but became too big to stay on Facebook alone.

http://www.r18games.com.au/

- Another news and gamers site supporting the R18+ rating for Australia.

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:06:37 PM
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Thought his last comment might get a little attention.

Please visit the above sites I've recommended. Any support will go a long way. Very few people in Australia are gamers and very few care about this lack of R18+ in Australia.

If Australia's voice isn't big enough, perhaps other countries might be able to shout louder.

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Pacific
Monday, December 14, 2009 @ 5:15:46 AM
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An interesting comment on that website:

Rebellion stated that they “will not be releasing a sanitised or cut down version for territories where adults are not considered by their governments to be able to make their own entertainment choices.”

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